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		<title>By: Jo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 12:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The stupidity of any Jew who supported Obama, indeed like turkeys eagerly awaiting Thanksgiving, would be laughable if not so sad.  But, there will come a day of extermination again and perhaps this time in the form of passive euthanasia under Obama&#039;s disastrous Socialist health care takeover.  Anyone, Jewish, Christian, black, white, Hispanic, etc., deemed as costing too much to sustain by the Socialist beur-O-crats will be allowed to die and get out of the way (although His Hollowness is on record as saying they will be given painkillers, merciful Messiah that he indeed is).  Unless, of course, you are are a wealthy elitist like Obama who will get the best of care.  Those old Jews who gleefully supported the Big O embody the statement, &#039;There is no fool like an old fool.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The stupidity of any Jew who supported Obama, indeed like turkeys eagerly awaiting Thanksgiving, would be laughable if not so sad.  But, there will come a day of extermination again and perhaps this time in the form of passive euthanasia under Obama&#8217;s disastrous Socialist health care takeover.  Anyone, Jewish, Christian, black, white, Hispanic, etc., deemed as costing too much to sustain by the Socialist beur-O-crats will be allowed to die and get out of the way (although His Hollowness is on record as saying they will be given painkillers, merciful Messiah that he indeed is).  Unless, of course, you are are a wealthy elitist like Obama who will get the best of care.  Those old Jews who gleefully supported the Big O embody the statement, &#8216;There is no fool like an old fool.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Patti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 04:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr &quot;COHAIN&quot;,
We are a REPUBLIC (law rules).
NOT A DEMOCRACY (majority rules).
We are becoming socialist (Tyrants rule).
&quot;There is none so blind as he who WILL not see&quot;.

I am a Ex-New York,&quot;recovering&quot; pro-choice liberal who is now a Zionist, a conservative &amp; pro-life. My father-in-law fought in WWII &amp; liberated concentration camps &amp; I&#039;d really hate for us to HAVE TO DO THAT AGAIN!(And yes I have BEEN to Israel)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr &#8220;COHAIN&#8221;,<br />
We are a REPUBLIC (law rules).<br />
NOT A DEMOCRACY (majority rules).<br />
We are becoming socialist (Tyrants rule).<br />
&#8220;There is none so blind as he who WILL not see&#8221;.</p>
<p>I am a Ex-New York,&#8221;recovering&#8221; pro-choice liberal who is now a Zionist, a conservative &amp; pro-life. My father-in-law fought in WWII &amp; liberated concentration camps &amp; I&#8217;d really hate for us to HAVE TO DO THAT AGAIN!(And yes I have BEEN to Israel)</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea in NY</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrea in NY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 03:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could the concern about abortion really be concern with Evangelicals?  

I always suspected Bush&#039;s problem was not his tortured speech or actions but his religious base.  I sensed a real fear of Christian &quot;zealots&quot;.

As a Catholic, I never found them frightening or threatening.  My Jewish friends seemed very bothered by them.

I never thought it might be snobbery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could the concern about abortion really be concern with Evangelicals?  </p>
<p>I always suspected Bush&#8217;s problem was not his tortured speech or actions but his religious base.  I sensed a real fear of Christian &#8220;zealots&#8221;.</p>
<p>As a Catholic, I never found them frightening or threatening.  My Jewish friends seemed very bothered by them.</p>
<p>I never thought it might be snobbery.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Vincent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 00:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JFM (#132):

I was not aware the disparity was that high, but it also does not surprise me.

I am aware of the &quot;foreign sources&quot; issue. 

Back in &#039;96, the press made a big stink over money Clinton got from Chinese sources, and he had to give it back.

This was peanuts compared to what the FEC believes Obama got from Moslem SW Asia, but it was cleverly funneled through a lot of local &quot;front&quot; donors.

I personally believe this is the tip of the iceberg. I expect that whenever the full truth comes out about this man, Obama, he will be revealed to be the most corrupt president we&#039;ve ever had, at least in living memory, perhaps ever.  That&#039;s saying a lot, I know, but I stand by what I say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JFM (#132):</p>
<p>I was not aware the disparity was that high, but it also does not surprise me.</p>
<p>I am aware of the &#8220;foreign sources&#8221; issue. </p>
<p>Back in &#8216;96, the press made a big stink over money Clinton got from Chinese sources, and he had to give it back.</p>
<p>This was peanuts compared to what the FEC believes Obama got from Moslem SW Asia, but it was cleverly funneled through a lot of local &#8220;front&#8221; donors.</p>
<p>I personally believe this is the tip of the iceberg. I expect that whenever the full truth comes out about this man, Obama, he will be revealed to be the most corrupt president we&#8217;ve ever had, at least in living memory, perhaps ever.  That&#8217;s saying a lot, I know, but I stand by what I say.</p>
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		<title>By: ahad ha'amoratsim</title>
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		<dc:creator>ahad ha'amoratsim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert Vincent - I agree with your #131. As an Ohio heartland Orthodox Jew, I will add that many Orthodox Jews liked and respected Palin, and felt that she shared many important values with the Orthodox community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert Vincent &#8211; I agree with your #131. As an Ohio heartland Orthodox Jew, I will add that many Orthodox Jews liked and respected Palin, and felt that she shared many important values with the Orthodox community.</p>
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		<title>By: JFM</title>
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		<dc:creator>JFM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 06:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Vincent

Obama outspent McCain not tow tone or four to one but seven to one.  And some of this money looks like it wasn&#039;t kosher: foreign sources for instance.</description>
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<p>Obama outspent McCain not tow tone or four to one but seven to one.  And some of this money looks like it wasn&#8217;t kosher: foreign sources for instance.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Vincent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 21:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spindok (#127):

Nice post overall, but take it from a fellow Reform Jewish Ohio Heartlander:

Obama isn&#039;t just &quot;another liberal Democrat&quot;.  This is not Jimmy Carter (or at least the Jimmy Carter of the 70s, before he took all that money from the Arabs to build his foundation and prostitute himself for them).  This is not George McGovern.

I am about the same age as Obama, having been born within two months of him.  I went to schools of comparable prestige during comparable time frames as was the case for him.  I went to U of Michigan Ann Arbor when he was at Columbia, I served in the army when he was a &quot;community organizer&quot; (and I had summer jobs in college working for such people, so I know their ilk well), and I was at U Chicago while he was at Harvard.

I had umpteen roommates, housemates, colleagues, professors, who thought like him.  He is not a mystery to me, but instead is very much a known quantity.  He is supremely dangerous.

I&#039;ve met Rashid Khalidi.  He was a guest lecturer for one of the classes I took at U Chicago back in 1989.  He was a world-class jerk, and I can tell you that as dedicated as I am, as most of the people in this forum are, to the preservation of Israel, Rashid is similarly dedicated to her destruction.  

Rashid not only was a &quot;good friend&quot; and frequent dinner companion of Obama, but also raised $70,000 for Obama&#039;s senate campaign.  As we have seen on many issues during the first six months of his administration (e.g., a &quot;transparent&quot; government, a &quot;bipartisan approach&quot;, a &quot;fiscal conservative&quot;, a &quot;FRIEND OF ISRAEL&quot;, all things he campaigned on), he has proven to be an incredible liar, though none of this surprises me in the least. Like Hitler said back in the day, one shouldn&#039;t bother with &quot;small lies&quot;...if you are going to lie at all, tell BIG ones so as to make it that much more difficult for people to comprehend just how far you are going to take them for a ride, until it is too late!

People like Obama are, in the end, snobs who pretend to care about &quot;average&quot; people, but who in fact have contempt for them.  In the pursuit of their own perceived &quot;agenda&quot;, they are perfectly comfortable with lying to any degree they can, as this is for &quot;our own good&quot;. In their estimation, we peasants can&#039;t understand or handle the truth anyway.

Finally, my major exception to your post is your description of McCain/Palin as a &quot;disaster&quot; for the Republicans.  McCain was the first of the two finalists to breach the 50% barrier in polling, which he did in the wake of his selection of Palin as his running mate.  You might recall that while Obama led during the summer, he still stayed below 50% overall, and commentators were confounded as to the fact of Obama being unable to &quot;close the deal&quot; with the American voter.  

McCain held his lead solidly for about three weeks until the market crash of mid-September.  Even then, he managed to pull ahead a couple of times, but his inability to come up with a convincing, reassuring message on the economy to counter Obama is really what did him in.  I think I got a cramp in my jaw from cringing as he wasted his precious campaign $$$ in the final weeks on Bill Ayers ad after Bill Ayers ad, long after the public ceased giving a fiddler&#039;s fart about Bill Ayers.

It was amazing what McCain had accomplished, though immediately prior to the crash, given what was already a sluggish economy, a press that, outside of FOX and the Wall Street Journal, was positively salivating over Obama, and Obama&#039;s ability to outspend McCain at least two to one (or was it four to one?).

Who would have been a better Republican candidate? Huckabee?  Who could not really appeal much beyond his political/cultural zip code (i.e., the deep south)?  Romney, with all the steely leadership aura of Daren Stevens from &quot;Bewitched&quot;?  It is easy to be a Monday morning quarterback.  Whatever his faults, I really did think McCain was about the best available from either party in terms of who was running.

As for Palin, yes, she did turn off many Jewish voters. However, I feel she did not cost McCain the election (unlike the backbiters of the McCain campaign who are now trying to cover their butts with her political carcass).  What she did cost McCain was the better part of that segment of the Jewish vote who ran from him to Obama at the eleventh hour (he was at 38% among Jewish Americans by mid-summer; Palin torpedoed that).

That Palin turns off Jews can be put down to one major issue: shallow snobbery on the part of Jewish Americans.  Jews eagerly bought up the media smear that she was little more than &quot;trailer trash&quot;, and if there is one thing Jewish Americans are uncomfortable with, it is a &quot;red neck&quot;.  It was NOT Palin&#039;s pro-life agenda...McCain has one of the most pro-life voting records in Congress.  If that were the issue, McCain himself never would have gotten even close to the 38% he peaked out at among Jews in the first place.

Palin is in fact, objectively, a far more capable and proven political leader than Obama.  Consider that she started with NOTHING.  She didn&#039;t come from money, had no political connections.  She was a small town mom who started her political life on the PTA, and by the age of 42, running against the Alaskan Republican Party establishment as much as against anything else, she became governor of Alaska. That says something.  

She also did this without an ivy league degree on her resume (and having come from such schools, believe me, this is an overrated characteristic).  However, this was probably the real objection Jews had to her:  she wasn&#039;t &quot;intellectual&quot; enough.  It certainly is true that Palin is NOT an intellectual.  But she had earned her spurs - where it counted - to a far greater degree than Obama ever had before the fact (and likely, after the fact in his case).  If she needs help on the &quot;intellectual&quot; front, that is what advisors are for.  

So, as a sidenote to my fellow American Jews who are participating in this forum, who are as horrified by Obama as I am, you&#039;d best learn to get over your own prejudices against Palin and learn to like her.  We have not seen the last of her by a long shot, and while it is still very early, among the various personalities that are being talked about as potential standard bearers for the GOP in 2012, in my humble opinion, she is the one who stands the best chance of smashing Obama.

By the way, all of the Israelis I know thought she was fantastic.  More food for thought.

&#039;Nuff said for now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spindok (#127):</p>
<p>Nice post overall, but take it from a fellow Reform Jewish Ohio Heartlander:</p>
<p>Obama isn&#8217;t just &#8220;another liberal Democrat&#8221;.  This is not Jimmy Carter (or at least the Jimmy Carter of the 70s, before he took all that money from the Arabs to build his foundation and prostitute himself for them).  This is not George McGovern.</p>
<p>I am about the same age as Obama, having been born within two months of him.  I went to schools of comparable prestige during comparable time frames as was the case for him.  I went to U of Michigan Ann Arbor when he was at Columbia, I served in the army when he was a &#8220;community organizer&#8221; (and I had summer jobs in college working for such people, so I know their ilk well), and I was at U Chicago while he was at Harvard.</p>
<p>I had umpteen roommates, housemates, colleagues, professors, who thought like him.  He is not a mystery to me, but instead is very much a known quantity.  He is supremely dangerous.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve met Rashid Khalidi.  He was a guest lecturer for one of the classes I took at U Chicago back in 1989.  He was a world-class jerk, and I can tell you that as dedicated as I am, as most of the people in this forum are, to the preservation of Israel, Rashid is similarly dedicated to her destruction.  </p>
<p>Rashid not only was a &#8220;good friend&#8221; and frequent dinner companion of Obama, but also raised $70,000 for Obama&#8217;s senate campaign.  As we have seen on many issues during the first six months of his administration (e.g., a &#8220;transparent&#8221; government, a &#8220;bipartisan approach&#8221;, a &#8220;fiscal conservative&#8221;, a &#8220;FRIEND OF ISRAEL&#8221;, all things he campaigned on), he has proven to be an incredible liar, though none of this surprises me in the least. Like Hitler said back in the day, one shouldn&#8217;t bother with &#8220;small lies&#8221;&#8230;if you are going to lie at all, tell BIG ones so as to make it that much more difficult for people to comprehend just how far you are going to take them for a ride, until it is too late!</p>
<p>People like Obama are, in the end, snobs who pretend to care about &#8220;average&#8221; people, but who in fact have contempt for them.  In the pursuit of their own perceived &#8220;agenda&#8221;, they are perfectly comfortable with lying to any degree they can, as this is for &#8220;our own good&#8221;. In their estimation, we peasants can&#8217;t understand or handle the truth anyway.</p>
<p>Finally, my major exception to your post is your description of McCain/Palin as a &#8220;disaster&#8221; for the Republicans.  McCain was the first of the two finalists to breach the 50% barrier in polling, which he did in the wake of his selection of Palin as his running mate.  You might recall that while Obama led during the summer, he still stayed below 50% overall, and commentators were confounded as to the fact of Obama being unable to &#8220;close the deal&#8221; with the American voter.  </p>
<p>McCain held his lead solidly for about three weeks until the market crash of mid-September.  Even then, he managed to pull ahead a couple of times, but his inability to come up with a convincing, reassuring message on the economy to counter Obama is really what did him in.  I think I got a cramp in my jaw from cringing as he wasted his precious campaign $$$ in the final weeks on Bill Ayers ad after Bill Ayers ad, long after the public ceased giving a fiddler&#8217;s fart about Bill Ayers.</p>
<p>It was amazing what McCain had accomplished, though immediately prior to the crash, given what was already a sluggish economy, a press that, outside of FOX and the Wall Street Journal, was positively salivating over Obama, and Obama&#8217;s ability to outspend McCain at least two to one (or was it four to one?).</p>
<p>Who would have been a better Republican candidate? Huckabee?  Who could not really appeal much beyond his political/cultural zip code (i.e., the deep south)?  Romney, with all the steely leadership aura of Daren Stevens from &#8220;Bewitched&#8221;?  It is easy to be a Monday morning quarterback.  Whatever his faults, I really did think McCain was about the best available from either party in terms of who was running.</p>
<p>As for Palin, yes, she did turn off many Jewish voters. However, I feel she did not cost McCain the election (unlike the backbiters of the McCain campaign who are now trying to cover their butts with her political carcass).  What she did cost McCain was the better part of that segment of the Jewish vote who ran from him to Obama at the eleventh hour (he was at 38% among Jewish Americans by mid-summer; Palin torpedoed that).</p>
<p>That Palin turns off Jews can be put down to one major issue: shallow snobbery on the part of Jewish Americans.  Jews eagerly bought up the media smear that she was little more than &#8220;trailer trash&#8221;, and if there is one thing Jewish Americans are uncomfortable with, it is a &#8220;red neck&#8221;.  It was NOT Palin&#8217;s pro-life agenda&#8230;McCain has one of the most pro-life voting records in Congress.  If that were the issue, McCain himself never would have gotten even close to the 38% he peaked out at among Jews in the first place.</p>
<p>Palin is in fact, objectively, a far more capable and proven political leader than Obama.  Consider that she started with NOTHING.  She didn&#8217;t come from money, had no political connections.  She was a small town mom who started her political life on the PTA, and by the age of 42, running against the Alaskan Republican Party establishment as much as against anything else, she became governor of Alaska. That says something.  </p>
<p>She also did this without an ivy league degree on her resume (and having come from such schools, believe me, this is an overrated characteristic).  However, this was probably the real objection Jews had to her:  she wasn&#8217;t &#8220;intellectual&#8221; enough.  It certainly is true that Palin is NOT an intellectual.  But she had earned her spurs &#8211; where it counted &#8211; to a far greater degree than Obama ever had before the fact (and likely, after the fact in his case).  If she needs help on the &#8220;intellectual&#8221; front, that is what advisors are for.  </p>
<p>So, as a sidenote to my fellow American Jews who are participating in this forum, who are as horrified by Obama as I am, you&#8217;d best learn to get over your own prejudices against Palin and learn to like her.  We have not seen the last of her by a long shot, and while it is still very early, among the various personalities that are being talked about as potential standard bearers for the GOP in 2012, in my humble opinion, she is the one who stands the best chance of smashing Obama.</p>
<p>By the way, all of the Israelis I know thought she was fantastic.  More food for thought.</p>
<p>&#8216;Nuff said for now.</p>
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		<title>By: Kay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And King Hussein Obama has &#039;Jewish-America&#039; quite low on his list, probably just one notch above &#039;Gay-America&#039;. Right now he is too busy promoting &#039;Latina-America&#039; and &#039;Muslim-America&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And King Hussein Obama has &#8216;Jewish-America&#8217; quite low on his list, probably just one notch above &#8216;Gay-America&#8217;. Right now he is too busy promoting &#8216;Latina-America&#8217; and &#8216;Muslim-America&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Kay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;progressive&quot;watch:

Miller has the right facts,wrong motives. These liberal Jews are almost all leftists,not liberals,and they don’t want to be victims. They are leftist ideologues with leftist answers. They are more leftists than they are Jews. They don’t see fellow leftist Obama as harmful,but as a powerful force for good.

And in the same time, they vote FOR being labeled a &#039;victimized class&#039; such as &#039;Jewish-Americans&#039;.  Liberals love to have check boxes for every &#039;kind&#039; of human the believe you can be divided into, and have a value-scale for each.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;progressive&#8221;watch:</p>
<p>Miller has the right facts,wrong motives. These liberal Jews are almost all leftists,not liberals,and they don’t want to be victims. They are leftist ideologues with leftist answers. They are more leftists than they are Jews. They don’t see fellow leftist Obama as harmful,but as a powerful force for good.</p>
<p>And in the same time, they vote FOR being labeled a &#8216;victimized class&#8217; such as &#8216;Jewish-Americans&#8217;.  Liberals love to have check boxes for every &#8216;kind&#8217; of human the believe you can be divided into, and have a value-scale for each.</p>
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		<title>By: Kay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liberal &#039;Jews&#039;(as so labeled and defined by Dems as a separate group of humans) and most minorities continue to vote time and time and time again for the party that despises them(other then for the consistent vote count of course).  &#039;This is a white man&#039;s government!&#039; is a past Democratic campaign slogan after all... Then again, the vast majority of Democrats can&#039;t tell you why they are one in the first place...The party of segregation and slavery for some reason has become embraced by &#039;minorities&#039;(as so labeled and defined by Dems as a separate group of humans).

Believe in freedom of speech?  The right to pursue you religion of choice(or none)? Believe that all men are created equal? The ability to make a living and being taxed fairly and rewarded for your efforts?  Believe in the US Constitution?  If yes to any or all, then you are not a Democrat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liberal &#8216;Jews&#8217;(as so labeled and defined by Dems as a separate group of humans) and most minorities continue to vote time and time and time again for the party that despises them(other then for the consistent vote count of course).  &#8216;This is a white man&#8217;s government!&#8217; is a past Democratic campaign slogan after all&#8230; Then again, the vast majority of Democrats can&#8217;t tell you why they are one in the first place&#8230;The party of segregation and slavery for some reason has become embraced by &#8216;minorities&#8217;(as so labeled and defined by Dems as a separate group of humans).</p>
<p>Believe in freedom of speech?  The right to pursue you religion of choice(or none)? Believe that all men are created equal? The ability to make a living and being taxed fairly and rewarded for your efforts?  Believe in the US Constitution?  If yes to any or all, then you are not a Democrat.</p>
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