It doesn’t appear to be a losing strategy for the Islamists……

Besides, the people you were quoting weren’t suggesting genocide. Islamists on the other hand, are, OPENLY.

“Islam is no more evil than communism, yet we had much more success with containment than slaughter….Boots on the ground will not yield a win, it is a tactic, not a strategy, not an end game. contain, divide, and drain their resources is much more workable.”

This statement shows a fundamental lack of knowledge AND understanding of history.

Communism was contained primarily through MILITARY ACTION. To deny so is to piss on the deaths of 100,000 Americans and several million other people.

http://www.ccd21.org/

I like it because it’s NOT American. The Poles started it and that should make it better, since the Polish have struggled for a long time to rule their own lives. Now they do and they have lesson to pass on. I also like it because the Department of State hates it. IMHO, there is no higher recommendation.

I live outside the USA, in a nation where people claim to want — and also claim occasionally to practice — democracy. The truth dawned on me belatedly: it’s all an illusion. People here do not understand democracy because its fundamental principles are not at all part of the local value system. How do you impose that kind of change?

IMHO, the best government defends the individual and exalts the values of the Enlightenment. Any such government must consider Islam its blood enemy, and treat it accordingly. That means disposing of the myth of the moderate Muslim. Because millions assert and actually believe in the inerrancy of the Koran and Hadith, liberty everywhere is at great risk.

If we can agree on the both futility of imposing democracy and the danger posed by Islam, we may be able to devise a strategy for the survival of our civilization. Debates like this one are a necessary first step.

You are correct in stating that it is islam itself which is the problem. In fact, ones philosophy/psychology of life has a direct effect on ones value for or against liberty. islam is a religion based on death and irrationality. Liberty and islam are completely incompatible. I highly recommend reading the Ayn Rand Institutes op-ed’s on religion in general and islam in particular.

i had an email conversation with Richard Miniter. i explained the USA had every right to to attack and kill Taliban, and Saddam and his followers. we should have then put their heads on stakes, and leave with the warning do not make us return. he replied with a WW2 analogy, saying i quote” the sad fact is war requires the occupation of land” what drivel. when i asked who is japan and Germany in this fight and what percentage of the Islamic world he suggests we hold, he did not reply and blocked me from his blog.

Pathetic weak knee jerk thinking has made this situation worse and worse. thinking like Richard’s and his cowardly response is typical.

he shows no knowledge, despite his visits of the arena. without our help, Persians, turks afghans would all hate Arabs. when Bin Laden first went to Afghanistan, Afghans ridiculed him. He was allowed to stay only because of Arab money, but was purposely excluded from the fight as he was seen as an incompetent. it is our “democracy building” and support of UN negotiation that has crystallized and united our foes. instead of letting the resident parties from Pakistan to Egypt, including Israel kill each other until they tired of the blood letting we have nurtured and fertilized the death, destruction and barbed wire camps generations have lived behind. if their blood letting trespasses the boundary of their arena, we should respond, if not, who the hell are we to not let them solve this as they wish.i do not doubt the good intentions of democracy building. i just know it is obvious dumb bunny policy. Dumb Bunny policy Richard was unable to defend.

You are partially correct, as is Mr. Ibrahim.

Both of you are dancing around the central problem that Spinoneone nails.

The problem IS ISLAM, as Spinoneone has described it. The only solution is to remove the problem. ISLAM must be destroyed. It must be outlawed in all Western Democracies as a dangerous foreign political entity, and fought abroad. Initially it needs to be expunged from our shores via laws against it and severe travel and economic restrictions on Muslims. Once it is impossible to earn a living as a Muslim, Western Muslims that truly want to integrate will drop Islam like a hot potato.

Those that refuse to abandon Islam would be deported back to the Muslim country of their choice. With Islam gone from Western Shores, The Democracies of the world can get about the business of politically and economically squeezing Islam down into it’s traditional home, the deserts of the Arabias.

Once reduced in scope, the nations there must be further pressured economically and politically until their economies and governments collapse. Then we supply help, along with floods of missionaries, and convert the lot of them.

No Genocide, Just aggressive political and economic policy applied over time, until the day that Christian Arabs march into mecca square with a construction crew and build a Church on the ruins of the long abandoned mosque there.

The West CAN take back the world for Democracy, we just have to have the courage to fight the real enemy, Islam.