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1. Terry:

De Nile is not just a river in Egypt. It is the very foundation of the culture of Political Correctness which seeks, actively, to obfuscate reality with misrepresentations, distortions, slogans & platitudes, & pretty liberal rhetoric diconnected from reality. And the reality is that Islam is at war with the ”unbelievers” – that there is a direct causal relationship between Islamic ideology & terrorist acts against unbelievers.
Islam is NOT a religion – it is an extremist totalitarian political ideology, aggressive, hostile, expansionist, & supremicist. The Islamic war against the unbelievers is called JIHAD & this is the explanation for this horrific attack against our military.

Nov 6, 2009 - 12:32 am 2. kochevnik:

“The clause regarding “hate speech” has been deleted because readers criticized it as being too loosely defined.”

Yeah, because Pajamas is practicing hate speech right here with this article. Only bright spot was mention of 7.5 another million opposed to corporfascist USA. Excellent!

Nov 6, 2009 - 1:06 am 3. Surprised by silence:

The New York Times is reporting that—here’s a shocker—Nidal Malik Hisan is a Palestinian American.

Nov 6, 2009 - 1:40 am 4. Fnord:

Ah, Bruce Bawer, I guess that makes the soldiers who fragged officers during Vietnam terrorists too? I find it sickenming that you besmirch every muslim serving soldier, of wich there are many, because of the acts of one lone gunman. Many muslims are fighting on the US side in the war on terror, both in US uniform and in the coalition. (We Norwegians have several). Haters like you spit on their efforts.

Nov 6, 2009 - 2:18 am 5. Free man:

This site is censoring free speech.

Nov 6, 2009 - 2:42 am 6. vb:

When you see the image of America portrayed abroad by our own media, including foreign reporters who take their stories from the gray lady, you get a different answer to the question about why they hate us. Just think of the airtime given Larry King interviews with Jesse Ventura, Michael Jackson and Anna Nicole Smith “experts,” and the anti-vaccination crew. Who has time to worry about terrorists in our midst?

Thanks for giving a very concrete example of how the system works.

Nov 6, 2009 - 3:19 am 7. j k:

How many times is this going to be allowed to happen? I am sick and tired of the politically correct attitudes oozing up through the cracks. It has now become crystal clear that the army
knew that this guy was a JIHADIST. He was quoted as saying ” Muslims need to rise up aginst the aggressors in the Middle East”. This statement was made in a room with other army Officers preesent. If this was not a warning sign, I don’t know what was.
Every time I here the mention of Islam and religion of peace in the same sentence i want to barf. The time has come to put limits on immigration from Islamic countries and do some serious inquiry into muslim service in the armed forces.

Nov 6, 2009 - 3:50 am 8. steve:

Meanwhile Muslim immigrants continue to pour into our contry in record numbers, legally.

They are invading us and wish to impose Sharia law upon us. Yet only a small percentage of Americans have even the slightest clue what their wicked ideology teaches and commands.

Nov 6, 2009 - 4:23 am 9. Kerry:

…had described himself to a local merchant as “a devout Muslim,”
Well, there you go. If “Devout Muslim”, Then “Murder the unarmed”. Seems almost a syllogism. Where in the religion of peace is the “Greater love hath no man than he lay down his life for his friends”? Anyone, anyone, Sobieski, anyone?

Nov 6, 2009 - 5:00 am 10. Paul -Indiana:

The religion of nonpeace.

Nov 6, 2009 - 5:12 am 11. Keapon Laffin:

As soon as the details began slipping out I knew how the media was going to spin this once they get the spin cycle up to full speed.
Wait for these 2 classics. And they’ll manage to keep a straight face mentioning both these items in the same segment despite the fact that they’re fairly mutually exclusive.

1:Our soldiers are bloodthirsty psychopaths just waiting to snap and here is more proof.
2:The War on Terror causes terrorism and here is more proof because obviously this fine upstanding Muslim fellow woulda never done anything like this if it wasn’t for Iraq/Afghanistan/etc.

Which leads us, the viewer, to conclude that only Muslim US soldiers are not seconds away from slaughtering their brothers and sisters in uniform just for the hell of it.

And it’s all Bush’s fault…Ta-Da!

Nov 6, 2009 - 5:21 am 12. Brownie:

Thank you for the truth. This was the equivalent of a homicide bombing and everyone is glossing over it. EVERYONE. It’s disgusting and terrifying.

Nov 6, 2009 - 5:36 am 13. Booker T. Gain:

Yeah, because Pajamas is practicing hate speech right here with this article. Only bright spot was mention of 7.5 another million opposed to corporfascist USA. Excellent!

I hate all forms of totalitarianism, even those disguised as a religion.

Nov 6, 2009 - 5:40 am 14. Darogr:

I know it’s pointless to play “just imagine” but can you just imagine the coverage had this turned out to be a non-Muslim soldier?

Nov 6, 2009 - 5:42 am 15. Pragmatist:

Islam is as Islam does and Islam CONTINUOUSLY proves that it is nothing more or less than a Hate and Death CULT. Wake up America you have a Mohemmedan in the White House.

Nov 6, 2009 - 5:46 am 16. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: Heh

This is the worst single attack on American soil since 9/11.

And it’s happened on Obama’s ‘watch’. I wonder what he’ll do, self-professed [by freudian slip] Muslim that he is.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out....]

Nov 6, 2009 - 5:48 am 17. Tina Trent:

Every times there is a crime that obviously fits the definition of a hate crime but fails to advance that movement’s goals and so will not be counted, they line up Jack Levin and a few of their other “experts” and hit the airwaves to natter on about anything and everything other than whether the crime was hate.

And the media utterly enables this. Levin is even identified as an “expert on hate crimes” as he blathers on about some killer’s feelings of isolation, inferiority, bullying, all the while carefully avoiding mention of hate crime being part of the equation.

This song-and-dance became so extreme after the Pittsburgh gym killings that no less a liberal than Bob Herbert popped a fuse over it. Good for him, but the rest of the media establishment went into deep-freeze over it.

Think any of this stuff is anything but ideological scamming? Through the vehicle of the hate crimes movement, we have handed the evaluative powers of our justice system over to the likes of C.A.I.R. and Wolf Blitzer.

Nov 6, 2009 - 5:51 am 18. steve:

Not so easy to take action against someone based on nothing more than a belief that the person is about to or may do something wrong. It’s one thing to monitor on a hunch, it’s another thing altogether to prosecute. More here

Nov 6, 2009 - 5:55 am 19. LeighT:

In a way, the news is somewhat better today than yesterday. With only one lone gunman, other factors, such as psychological stress, etc come into play. When there were reports of three gunmen, I had a sick feeling in my stomach. Three guys dont just up and go nuts at the same time. It would almost have to be a coordinated attack.

I will, however state, that this story isnt over. While initial reports of events like this are never really accurate, I have to wonder who we went from three gunmen, one dead and two in custody, to one lone gunman who is alive.

However, as a former soldier, I have to say for an officer to do this is really bad, no matter why. Officers have background checks, security clearances, esp. at major on up. There had to be signs, whether his motive is due to his religion or just being nuts or both. If the powers that be ignored signs due to political correctness, someone should hang..( not that it will happen with Obama as CIC). You cannot have an army with soldiers who cannot trust their officers.

Nov 6, 2009 - 6:12 am 20. Mike Murray:

The Fort Hood tragedy is just the latest — albeit the most disgusting — example of how far from sanity leftist members of America’s media have strayed. It was bad enough when they only proffered small lies in order to help Democrats get themselves elected.

Now they stoop to insane rationalization in an attempt to mitigate an incredibly heinous act — committed by a Muslim. Does anyone doubt the kind of coverage this vile act would have received if, say, the perpetrator had been an avowed Christian?

And, if media toadies ever DO acknowledge Hasan’s true motives, they will do doubt lay the blame for them at the feet of George W. Bush — and / or “right-wing extremists”. This is the reality in The Age of Obama.

America would do well to give Barack the boot at the earliest possible opportunity (2012, barring impeachment), and consign the lunatics of our corrupt media to the dustbin of history.

Oh, and while we’re at it: let’s implement governmental “change” — this time for the better — starting with the 2010 elections.

Nov 6, 2009 - 6:13 am 21. mark greaney:

Interesting to hear about the coverage in Europe. I found it suspicious that as soon as the name was released, and that name was muslim-sounding, CNN here in the USA (not Headline News but CNN) switched from the massacre at Fort Hood to a 12 plus minute story about a woman who was attacked by a chimp suing her state. CNN did release the name, long before Fox, but the decision that the massacre needed a back seat to the chimp suit was bothersome.

Nov 6, 2009 - 6:13 am 22. mezzrow:

It’s becoming fairly clear that Hasan decided that his job was to defend the umma against the infidel. That’s exactly what he did.

I thank God that this man still breathes. I’m getting an ‘OJ’ feeling here. The disposition of his legal case and the behavior of this administration during this time will be a fulcrum on which our society will turn, hopefully back to sanity.

Watch this space. I have no doubt that we will see the CAIR or their sock puppets deployed to bully this administration into making some special dispensation in this case. I know that seems incredible now to many, but like I say, watch this space.

Nov 6, 2009 - 6:15 am 23. Banjo:

The toxins of political correctness saturate the MSM and have made large advances in the body politic itself. Anything that doesn’t advance multiculturalism has be ignored or explained away. We’re reaching the point where the Marx (Groucho) criterion will have to be applied : Who do you believe, the MSM or your lying eyes? This jihadist major apparently wore traditional Arab dress off duty. Is the military also so drugged by multiculti thought that this raised no alarm? The West is committing suicide.

Nov 6, 2009 - 6:21 am 24. Talking Mouse:

A Major is taunted? By who, colonels or generals, every other rank a Major can smack down for so obvious a breach of protocol?

Nov 6, 2009 - 6:32 am 25. BackwardsBoy:

While watching Fox News cover this event yesterday afternoon, I lost all respect for Shepherd Smith and his skirting of the issue of Islamic rage as a factor in this horrible massacre. It’s clear that this was a homegrown terror attack and the refusal of the MSM to acknowledge it is further proof of their irrelevance.

Nov 6, 2009 - 6:36 am 26. ETAB:

I think the focus is on the reasons for Hasan’s murderous attack on his fellow military members.

Was it a personal and private psychological breakdown? That’s what the MSM seems to be striving to tell us.

Was it an ideoogical agenda, where according to the Qu’ran a true Muslim fights against any people who attack a Muslim nation? This agenda, of course, assumes that the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are against Islam rather than against a militant Islamic agenda against the US.

Was it a combination of both? Hasan went into the military, which paid for his education. He was never deployed in any war zone but was now, for the first time, supposed to be sent to Afganistan – a move he was adamantly trying to be released from. Was this because it was an Islamic country, or because it was a war zone or a combination of both?

kochevnik’s comment shows us that some people consider that any and all peoples should attempt to destroy the USA – because it is the USA. This is as invalid as saying that all Islamics (or Jews or Christians) should be destroyed.

However, what the Muslim people have to do is actually read the Qu’ran and explain both to the world and to practicing Muslims why its admonitions to Muslims that they have a duty to destroy all non-Muslim peoples is a 7th c tribal mindset and invalid in the modern world.

Nov 6, 2009 - 6:41 am 27. ahem:

In essence, the media is an Islamist 5th column.

Nov 6, 2009 - 6:46 am 28. momof4:

The PC police are going to kill us all, while apologizing to the people doing it. One can’t sue the armed forces, can one? Too bad, because they certainly failed in their duty to keep the people on their base safe.

Nov 6, 2009 - 6:48 am 29. Class Clown:

Our only hope as a society is that, as the Mainstream Media avoids the reporting even basic facts, more people turn to other news sources. Perhaps then, in their search for actual information, more Americans will begin to ignore Mainstream Media interpretations of the facts as well.

Nov 6, 2009 - 6:56 am 30. HalifaxCB:

In the midst of horror their are always some who give you hope; in this case it is Police Sgt. Kimberley Munley. Her act of stopping the shooter was quite courageous. As usual, the name comes up in the smaller sources before the MSM, although the latter seem to be able to generate tons of press about the difficulties of being a conflicted Islamicist in the US Army. Curious.
Anyway, here’s a link re. the hero of the story:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/11/06/2009-11-06_police_sgt_kimberly_munley_credited_with_ending_fort_hood_gunman_maj_nidal_malik.html
(She’s wounded, but recovering)

Nov 6, 2009 - 6:58 am 31. Cybergeezer:

I think that Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan and Barack Hussein Obama (aka Barry Soetero) have many similarities;
Calm exterior, but disaffected internally.
I’m waiting for Barack Hussein Obama (a.k.a. Barry Soetero) to run into Congress and start shouting allahu akbar any day now.
He already has his media, cabinet, and czars saying there is “no war on terror”.
Of course, we believe!

Nov 6, 2009 - 7:02 am 32. John "birther" Samford:

Big cover up coming here.
The Last thing the Usurper needs now is a terrorist attack on American soil. Destroying the economy is bad enough. Failure to defend America is like piling on, adding insult to injury. So ANY terrorist attack will be spun as a rouge nut. The MSM will happily go along with that spin. Maybe even put a little more torque on it.
42 people! I assume some were combat vets. To buy into the rogue nut theory means believing that those 42 people waited around for the rogue Major to reload at least twice. Instead of all these healthy young people running for their lives, they were standing there waiting to be the next one shot! Right!
Then there is the gun shot issue. Only people that fear and hate handguns are unaware of how loud they are. Anyone that has experience with firearms can tell the difference between a gunshot and some other loud noise. If your experiene with handguns is watching them on TV or at the movies, then you might fall for the rouge nut theory.
In the real world, a gunshot prodeces WTF?!? and people looking around to see where the trouble is. Arming them selves if that is possible.
No, this theory isn’t going to fly. The powers that be and the MSM will push it as far as they can.
The rouge Major is toast. The last thing the administration needs is him coming out of surgery talking about the other shooters. That would pretty much blow the rogue nut theory out of the water. So it won’t be allowed to happen.

Nov 6, 2009 - 7:04 am 33. NCBob:

I understand that Hussein has invited Hasan over to the Whitehouse for a beer and to see if the things that annoyed Hasan can’t be worked out amicably. It’s probably best that they speak muslim to muslim but Nancy Pelosi may sit in on the basis that she hates America more than any muslim.

Nov 6, 2009 - 7:10 am 34. MarkD:

I cannot remove the profanity from any comment I would make about a nation that pretends it is at war but leaves its military unarmed, that refuses to identify the enemy, and refuses to acknowledge unpleasant truths about who murdered fellow soldiers in a grenade attack in Kuwait and here, or murdered recruiters, or plotted attacks on Fort Dix.

Adults know things are often not what we wish them to be. There are far fewer adults around than people over the age of 21.

Nov 6, 2009 - 7:20 am 35. Jettboy:

Islam needs to start getting treated like Scientology has been; with absolute scorn and a question of its religious legitimacy. People need to infiltrate their mosques and do hidden camera work in their neighborhoods. Soon as me and my wife heard the name of the assailant there was no need for psychobabble explanations. The word “Islamic Terrorism” (even if by one man) covered the whole incident.

Nov 6, 2009 - 7:27 am 36. Bob:

I appreciate your commentary, but I do have to take issue with the way ‘we’ are so eager to apply the label “terrorism” to everything.

I do not think this was an act of terrorism. This was an act of war. The shooter engaged a military target. As he is an American guilty of taking up arms against his country, he is a traitor and should be executed as such.

If every act of hostility against America is branded “terrorism” then the term ceases to have a meaningful semantic value….much like the way we nauseatingly overapply the term “hero”.

Nov 6, 2009 - 7:28 am 37. Francis W. Porretto:

I’ve been ranting about the necessity to quarantine Islam away from our shores for quite some time. As of today, largely due to the Fort Hood incident and its official and media handling, I’ve begun to doubt whether any development would evoke enough resolve from us.

America. It was great while it lasted.

Nov 6, 2009 - 7:30 am 38. Neal Scroggs:

To: Terry

I agree with most of what you have written here, except your evaluation of Islam. I must reply that Islam IS a religion, but not the kind of religion that we in the West would recognize. Our country is a child of the Enlightenment, founded on the principal of separation of religion and politics — that matters of private conscience and public policy occupy separate spheres with only limited contact. We are comfortable with this idea because the whole history of the West from the Luther to the French Revolution pointed our shared culture and our collective mentality toward the complementary concepts of private conscience and public duty.

The Muslim world has yet to experience a Renaissance, let alone an Enlightenment. The dominate mentality is more congruent with the medieval than the modern. To the traditional Muslim religion subsumes everything, there is hardly any room for what we call politics. Furthermore Islam does not admit the existence of private conscience, and in that sense Islam is totalitarian. The difference is that, strictly speaking, a totalitarian society is totally political, seeking to subsume and eliminate private conscience and thereby gaining complete control of the individual. An Islamic society is totally religious and seeks to compel absolute compliance with the dictates of God’s chosen spokesmen — nothing, absolutely nothing, is outside the bounds of religion — not what you eat or wear or read or think or love or hate is a matter of private choice.

Here’s the difference in a nutshell: in our America you may go to a barbecue restaurant and have a nice plate of succulent pork. This is perfectly legal and anyone who wants to give you grief about your eating habits has stepped over the boundary between the public and the private. Those who object to pork for whatever reason are free to go elsewhere, and anyone dumb enough to open such an eatery in Muslim neighborhood is free to take the obvious financial consequences. In an Islamic society the restaurant must be razed by fire, and the restaurateur and all his customers must die by the sword.

Nov 6, 2009 - 7:33 am 39. Peter the Bubblehead:

4. Fnord wrote:
Ah, Bruce Bawer, I guess that makes the soldiers who fragged officers during Vietnam terrorists too?

Peter writes: Were they shouting “Ahalu Akbar!” as they did it in Viet Nam? Because eye-witnesses at Ft Hood report Hasan was doing it.

Two simple words to descrive this massacre;

Terrorist Attack!

Nov 6, 2009 - 7:34 am 40. Manny:

That’s right, Bruce, no sign of terror. The man shoots 11 people dead, says the U.S. has no right to be in middle east, praises suicide bombers, a devout muslim, no less, and the media and others see no sign of terror. This is exactly what i expected. And as i look up above i see what fnord wrote. Hey, nord, get in line, there are other morons ahead of you; try to behave, your pills are on the way, fking moron that you are. Best of luck to all of us when we are surrounded by stupid people.

Nov 6, 2009 - 7:40 am 41. Peter the Bubblehead:

22. mezzrow wrote:
I thank God that this man still breathes.

Peter writes: Personally I believe, as soon as he wakes up, get all the intel you can squeeze out of him, try him according to the UCMJ, then as soon as possible, firing squad at dawn.

Nov 6, 2009 - 7:40 am 42. Samizdat:

Free man @ 5,

Your comment implies that your Constitutional right to speeak has been infringed by Pajamas. The 1st Amendment only applies to Goverment censorship, not a private corporation’s right to limit speech.

Can someone explain to me what regulations permited Maj Hasan to continue to wear the uniform given his known positions re the Arkansas murder and our foriegn policy re Iraq and Pakistan/Afghanistan? It seems to me he should have been subject to diciplinary proceedings or a discharge, esspecially after advocating more fragging of US personel after the Arkansas murder of the recruiter this summer.

I trust a person with experience with the Military Code Of Justice can elaborate.

Nov 6, 2009 - 7:42 am 43. buzz:

“Ah, Bruce Bawer, I guess that makes the soldiers who fragged officers during Vietnam terrorists too?”

Wait, you want to defend those who fragged their officers?

Nov 6, 2009 - 7:44 am 44. Booker T. Gain:

Peter writes: Were they shouting “Ahalu Akbar!” as they did it in Viet Nam? Because eye-witnesses at Ft Hood report Hasan was doing it.

Since VIVO and David S apparently aren’t available to set us straight, let me see if I can help. Hassan didn’t yell “Ahalu Akbar!. It was warm in Texas yesterday and the sound of gunfire all around him caused a sudden rush of adrenalim that made Hassan very hot. He was yelling ice cream bar when he was shot.

Peace.

Nov 6, 2009 - 7:48 am 45. Trent Telenko:

The Official FBI story about a crazed lone gunman is already in place.

It was Nidal Malik Hasan and he was heavily influenced by the writings of…

…wait for it…

USAMRID Anthrax Scientist Steven Hatfill!

As for prosecuting Maj Hasan, US Military discipline has been lax with Sudden Jihadi Syndrome.

The Beltway Sniper, John Muhammad was arrested for tossing a thermite grenade into a tent with 16 fellow soldiers of the Army’s 84th Engineering Company in the 1991 Gulf War.

He was quietly transferred to another company, an indictment never materialized, and he was honorably discharged in 1994.

Had the Army done it’s duty under the UCMJ in 1991, none of the DC Beltway Sniper’s victims would have died.

See:

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/11/06/the-massacre-at-fort-hood-and-muslim-soldiers-with-attitude/

– John Muhammad. The accused Beltway sniper and Muslim convert was a member of the Army’s 84th Engineering Company. In an eerie parallel to the Akbar case, Muhammad is suspected of throwing a thermite grenade into a tent housing 16 of his fellow soldiers as they slept before the ground-attack phase of Gulf War I in 1991. Muhammad’s superior, Sgt. Kip Berentson, told both Newsweek and The Seattle Times that he immediately suspected Muhammad, who was “trouble from day one.”

Curiously, Muhammad was admitted to the Army despite being earlier court-martialed for willfully disobeying orders, striking another noncommissioned officer, wrongfully taking property, and being absent without leave while serving in the Louisiana National Guard.

Although Muhammad was led away in handcuffs and transferred to another company pending charges for the grenade attack, an indictment never materialized. Muhammad was honorably discharged from the Army in 1994. Eight years later, he was arrested in the 21-day Beltway shooting spree that left 10 dead and three wounded.

The next step in the Fedederal Government/Main Stream Media spin will be to say that Major Hasad will not be legally competent to stand trial because he is a insane nut, and not a Jihadist.

We shall see if Major Hasad will follow this script or push for his 72 virgins at the hands of the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

Nov 6, 2009 - 7:51 am 46. don:

When President Lincoln was killed by “unlawful combatants” all of the principals were captured, tried, convicted, and publicly hanged within 90 days. There is a lot to be said for the efficiency of a military tribunal. Ford’s theatre and Seward’s home were not military reservations, and the killers were not soldiers in uniforms with free advanced medical degrees paid for by the government they were supposed to be serving. If Hassan didn’t like the job, the mission, or the foreign policy, he could resign. Until we decide to get serious with these people on a mission from god, expect more of this nonsense.

Nov 6, 2009 - 7:52 am 47. Stickwick:

When a suspected murderer is considered in any fashion to be Christian, the headlines rage: “Christian Gunman Goes on Shooting Rampage” or “Gunman: ‘If You’re Not A Christian You’re Going to Die’.” But when a devout Muslim carries out a mass-shooting, while allegedly yelling “Allahu Ackbar!” the headlines say: “Ft. Hood Shooter Called a ‘Camel Jockey’.” Yep, no bias here.

Nov 6, 2009 - 7:55 am 48. Trent Telenko:

>42 people! I assume some were combat vets. To
>buy into the rogue nut theory means believing
>that those 42 people waited around for the
>rogue Major to reload at least twice. Instead
>of all these healthy young people running for
>their lives, they were standing there waiting
>to be the next one shot! Right!

MP’s or contracted civilian cops are not trained to the standards of the FBI Hostage Rescue Team or Delta Force.

I strongly suspect tt will come out later that a significant number of those hit will have wounds from friendly fire from the cops or MP’s who took down the major.

In a crowded mass casualty situation like FT Hood it will have been unavoidable.

Nov 6, 2009 - 7:58 am 49. Now and Then:

I think we should train devout Christians to kill abortion doctors. Oj, wait, we already do that.

Nov 6, 2009 - 8:16 am 50. scott:

It occurs to me that their exists a rich field of harvest available in the American Muslim population for Christian evangelists.

Easy pickins! Simply compare and contrast the loving Jesus of Nazareth to the monster Mohammed. One can easily brand the arab deceiver with his own words from his own book.

It’s so blatant and plain to see one has to wonder how any even half-aware muslim exposed to the facts can remain a muslim. Could it be they are just natural born killers?

Nov 6, 2009 - 8:17 am 51. baal:

49. Now and Then: (you’re still making this far too easy)

I think we should train devout leftists to kill scientists. Oh, wait, we already do that.

Nov 6, 2009 - 8:22 am 52. goner:

America is gone. No more.

Nov 6, 2009 - 8:24 am 53. Real Deal:

While we don’t have all the facts, I have to wonder about the number of dead and wounded.

What kind of weapons did he use? The standard Army sidearm is the M9 which has a 15 round magazine. That means with 2 sidearms he had 30 rounds without reloading, or he reloaded one pistol 3 times.

This also assumes one bullet per person AND that he didn’t miss at all.

Doesn’t 42 casualties seem a little “off” to anyone?

I’m not familiar with the place the attack occurred so I don’t know how much cover was available or how easily accessed the exits are but would soldiers be familiar with gunfire and have taken measures to at least find cover and/or escape? Also reloading two pistols while holding one in each hand is a bit awkward I would think, but then again I’ve never tried personally. Doing so would have left him a bit vulnerable to anyone with basic HTH training.

Nov 6, 2009 - 8:26 am 54. gracie:

the media needs to be brought to task, period.

Nov 6, 2009 - 8:29 am 55. Poor Citizen:

no 5 free man

Hey, this site does not censor anyone, exept those that break their rules and dumb folks. You and me are the latter, trust me. Keep a sense of humor dude.

And again I will say, I am fed up with muslims going to “other countries” and expecting the host country to kow tow to their every whim and curtsey. When they break the law i.e. honor killings and beating their wives..its not legal and they should be prosecuted for it.

On the other hand, as a ex military guy, I shall shut up and just say, Bless those soldiers that died yesterday…and my heart truly goes out to their families. They have witnessed hell….. May the Good Lord comfort them at this horrible time….

And as a human being my heart also goes out to the Muslim community that has to suffer at the hands of bigots and fools that paint them….when they are good citizens… with the same brush. I know that there are decent, hard working people out there that happen to be muslim who care deeply about our country, and our society. So,… I apologize to you on behalf of my country. Sorry.

And so, I salute you .. my fellow soldiers, you shall not ever..be forgotton….

Nov 6, 2009 - 8:32 am 56. Banned by Huffpo:

Imagine Nidal Malik Hasan’s shame and humiliation as lies in his hospital bed knowing that an infidel WOMAN aired him out . . . oh, the horror!

Nov 6, 2009 - 8:34 am 57. Fred Beloit:

#4 Schnoid, don’t forget to wear your fur hat when you go out. It might improve your thinking and attitude. Also, try eating some bacon with your herring, they go well together.

With the first report of a possible three-person team of shooters my immediate reaction was get all Muslims out of the military ASAP.
Now, improbable as it seems, the thinking is one shooter. If that is the case, it would be impossible to break the PC traditions and take that kind of action. So, I fall back to the Peter the B. at #41 solution.
To wit: (1)Get well soon. (2)Court Marshall. (3)Guilty. (4)Any last words? (5)Up against the wall. (6)Do you want a blindfold? (7)Ready…aim…fire.

This may seem harsh, but you have to understand that the librul trolls verbally abuse me every chance they get. It is not my fault if they make me so heartless, now is it?

Nov 6, 2009 - 8:35 am 58. glenn:

Two observations Bruce

1. You didn’t miss much living in Norway. The TV coverage here was uniformly bad. Too much air time, too few facts.

2. The reason the news media types avoid the “M” word is because they are afraid. They have seen what happens to Muslims, Jews, Christians and anyone else who opposed the fundamentalists. Opposing means in most cases reporting truthfully on what these 15th century thugs routinely do to people who offende them. So the media just doesn’t do it. Seems the pen is only mightier than the sword ’till the guy with the sword starts using it.

Nov 6, 2009 - 8:39 am 59. Phranc:

Now and Then….. Where exactly do these people get their training? Who exactly does the training? How many are getting trained? How many doctors are being assassinated? What % of the over all number of doctor does that compile?

Nov 6, 2009 - 8:41 am 60. BC:

That’s a stupid, paranoid premise — when a military man targets only other military people, whether his own or those of the enemy, it’s not terrorism by definition. In this case, he was on a military base and even though he there were soft targets like schools and even some sort of college graduation ceremony going on at that time, he targeted only military people and then the police when he was confronted. It’s best I think to keave that sort of mindless, malicious, out and out numbnutted speculations to places like Hot Air, the Free Republic and, of course, Fox News.

What’s really making an already very sad, messed up situation even worse — if the reports are true (I don’t trust the “MSM” either, but for very different reasons) — is that Hasan was not only taunted by other military people, but there were warning signs about his attitude, like this thing, that didn’t raise at least a yellow flag. He joined the Army in 1997, and according to that ABC link, he allegedly started getting taunted by other military people after 9/11, which is now more than 8 year ago, so why did he not leave the military life then? Also military psychiatrists have very different duties and experiences from civilian ones, and those civilian ones have enough problems of their own.

Nov 6, 2009 - 8:47 am 61. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Now and Then
RE: Try NOT….

I think we should train devout Christians to kill abortion doctors. Oj, wait, we already do that. — Now and Then

….to demonstrate your stupidity so blatantly. You’re losing what little cred you have.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Smite a scorner, and the simple will beware.... -- Proverbs]

Nov 6, 2009 - 8:48 am 62. Peter the Bubblehead:

53. Real Deal asked:
What kind of weapons did he use? The standard Army sidearm is the M9 which has a 15 round magazine. That means with 2 sidearms he had 30 rounds without reloading, or he reloaded one pistol 3 times.

Peter writes: From my understanding, based on current news reports, he used his own personally owned weapons, NOT military issue, which are being described as ’semi-automatic’ in nature. That leads me to believe it was likely some kind of machine pistols with probably 30 round clips in each. More info will come out as the day progresses.

Nov 6, 2009 - 8:52 am 63. marsouin:

Yet again! Another “moderate” muslim who has revealed their true feelings. An atack this summer on a US Army recruiting station (killing two) and now this. The war front against jihad is everywhere. After all these years, when in the hell are the muslims in the West going to take charge to root out this racist, genocidal hatred in their midsts? Where’s Congressman Ellison speaking out?

These years of continued silence points to only one thing: deep down the vast majority side with the jihadists.

Nov 6, 2009 - 8:52 am 64. Now and Then:

59. Phranc:

They get their training from Fuk Snooze.
http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/06/01/bill-oreillys-george-tiller-death-fantasy-moment-from-2006/

Numbers? What, one isn’t enough for you? How many do you want “terminated” (as Coulter describes it) before it becomes a problem?

61 Chuck Pelto . . . you’re not a reliable judge of credibility.

Nov 6, 2009 - 8:56 am 65. Reason is Dead:

This should be a time for overwhelming compassion for the victims and thoughtful, patient analysis … but instead we have to wade through the screaming hordes co-opting a tragedy to advance their own agendas. There is no shame.

Nov 6, 2009 - 8:57 am 66. Chris:

Muslim societal standards come to America:

* Taunted by infidels => go on psychotic murdering rampage.

* Wife/Daughter defies repressive 7th century dogma => stab her until she is dead, chop off her head, run over her with an SUV, set her on fire, cut off her nose, tongue, etc., etc..

* News reporter shows up with camera asking uncomfortable questions => smash his camera and kick him until he runs away.

The guy at Ft. Hood was most likely a sleeper who received an early unanticipated activation due to his impending deployment (last chance).

Nov 6, 2009 - 8:58 am 67. Paul Sather:

So they put a devout Muslim who praises suicide bombers in a “target rich environment”. It’s like shooting fish in a barrel! Or putting M. Atta in the cockpit! To Hell with political correctness! It does NOT make sense to me. I don’t care if he was a doctor that is there to supposedly help the soldier. Family members should sue for such stupidity!

Nov 6, 2009 - 9:00 am 68. HalifaxCB:

52. goner:
America is gone. No more.

Not as long as there are Americans like Police Sgt. Kimberley Munley.

“The secret to happiness is freedom; the secret to freedom, courage.” Thucydides

“I live a good life….a hard one, but I go to sleep peacefully @ night knowing that I may have made a difference in someone’s life.” Kimberley Munley (from her twitter bio)

Nov 6, 2009 - 9:00 am 69. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: BC as SFB

That’s a stupid, paranoid premise — when a military man targets only other military people, whether his own or those of the enemy, it’s not terrorism by definition. In this case, he was on a military base and even though he there were soft targets like schools and even some sort of college graduation ceremony going on at that time, he targeted only military people and then the police when he was confronted. — BC

It’s easy to shoot up a military base. Despite the idea that many of these people are trained in how to use weapons, darn few of them, save the Military Police, have weapons and ammunition readily at hand.

Consider it a ‘Virginia Tech college campus’ or ‘Columbine High School’. It’s like shooting fish in a barrel.

Hasan pulled off his own Beirut Marine Barracks bombing-cum-Virginia Tech-cum-Columbine HS massacre.

After all the perps at VT and Columbine were ‘members’ of their respective massacre targets.

Is there a solution for the muslims who do this?

You betcha. General of the Army Pershing demonstrated it in the PIs as a young captain.

Problem is that its political incorrect. And as long as we are guided by political correctness instead of logic, we’re all in deep chimchi….

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[You want to know the truth? You CAN'T HANDLE the truth..... -- Jack Nicholson]

Nov 6, 2009 - 9:00 am 70. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Now and Then
RE: Too Funny

61 Chuck Pelto . . . you’re not a reliable judge of credibility. — Now and Then

Actually, more people rely on my credibility, literally, than on yours.

Or maybe you’ll tell US how many commissions—city, county and state—YOU’VE been appointed to. Or how many men will trust YOU with their very lives.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out....and Now and Then is going to be rather embarrassed....]

Nov 6, 2009 - 9:02 am 71. Paul -Indiana:

#41. That would be nice, but Obambi will probably read him his rights and veto his execution. If not, this bum should be executed by a female firing squad.

Nov 6, 2009 - 9:04 am 72. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Reason is Dead
RE: Au Contraire

This should be a time for overwhelming compassion for the victims and thoughtful, patient analysis … but instead we have to wade through the screaming hordes co-opting a tragedy to advance their own agendas. There is no shame. — Reason is Dead

My 27 years in the infantry taught me to grieve when the time was appropriate. Not in the midst of the fight. It’s too much of a distraction from the ‘matters at hand’….as in ‘hand-to-hand’….

Hope that helps….

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The best way to survive a near ambush is immediate and violent action against the attacker. -- Axioms for Survival as an Infantryman on the Field of Battle]

Nov 6, 2009 - 9:07 am 73. johnt:

Human emotions have a range as to capacity. How for instance, can you be adversely critical of islam if you perceive the real problem is Christians and Republicans? Why dislike Osama bin Laden when there’s Sarah Palin?

Face it, liberals are just too smart for the rest of us.

Nov 6, 2009 - 9:09 am 74. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Paul -Indiana
RE: Close!

That would be nice, but Obambi will probably read him his rights and veto his execution. If not, this bum should be executed by a female firing squad. — Paul -Indiana

Especially the ‘firing squad’.

That’s what Pershing reputedly did. However, he had the firing party, i.e., the shooters, dip their bullets in the blood of a freshly slaughtered pig. The pig being slaughtered in front of the ‘honorees’ of the ‘party’.

The ‘revolt’, i.e., terrorist activities that Pershing was dealing with STOPPED.

If Hasan IS alive and found guilty of the crimes alleged against him, I would think that the military would seriously consider the ‘Pershing Technique’ in dealing with his execution.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[In nature there are neither rewards nor punishments - there are consequences. - Robert Ingersoll]

Nov 6, 2009 - 9:23 am 75. Chuck Pelto:

P.S. An all feminine ‘firing party’ would be an interesting ‘touch’….

Nov 6, 2009 - 9:24 am 76. Norman:

From France (Eurabia)

Your “journalists” they sold their hearts for some petrodollars.

Nov 6, 2009 - 9:32 am 77. Phranc:

64. Now and Then:

59. Phranc:

They get their training from Fuk Snooze.
http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/06/01/bill-oreillys-george-tiller-death-fantasy-moment-from-2006/

Numbers? What, one isn’t enough for you? How many do you want “terminated” (as Coulter describes it) before it becomes a problem?
——————————————————
You failed to answer a single question I posed. Not that I thought you would be able to such. Your incessant intellectually dishonest posts gave me the foresight to call that. I’m also not surprised that you would try to obfuscate your lack of truth by turning the questions on me. It’s a weak argument tactic people like you use when directly questioned on your intellectually bankrupt claims that aren’t close to reality. One thing I don’t get is why you feel a need to lie about things. What are you missing in your life that you fill it with lies to smear people?

As for your lame attempt at misdirection with your questions, unlike you, I will actually answer and with honesty.

Numbers? Yes numbers. Empirical facts that would back up your claim. Given you failed to provide any I conclude you don’t have them and you lied.

What, one isn’t enough for you? One is one too many. No where did I insinuate I wanted any to die. This question of yours is called a straw man. It is an argument tactic of the people who have no merit in their argument and need to deflect away from it.

How many do you want “terminated” (as Coulter describes it) before it becomes a problem? It became a problem with one. I don’t want any terminated. Again you offered a straw man to divert away from the lack of standing in your false argument.

You are a liar. And a bad one at that.

And you just got schooled by a pro-choice atheist who detests religions. But unlike you I don’t need to lie about things. My arguments are reasoned and factual.

Nov 6, 2009 - 9:40 am 78. Ding:

Sorry, I don’t buy that Hasan was harassed to the point of terrorism/murder. You’ll have to provide proof, not just hearsay provided by his family, which is suspect. The military desegregated long before other U.S. institutions and has a long history of integration and personnel training on race issues. There is a process in place to address sexual and racial harassment and you can bet the farm that every single service member receives constant, repeated to the point of ad nauseam, training on this.

Who was goading him on, him being a major and all? His fellow shrinks? Possibly the most inclusive group of mushy-headed liberals around? It’s hard to believe this but if his coworkers were abusive and insensitive to his spiritual beliefs, then he should have responded with formal complaints up the chain of command. Period. If he did, there will be a paper trail, this being the military we’re talking about here.

Three things: 1) Either he didn’t address this issue with his superiors because it didn’t exist, 2) he wasn’t big enough to stand up for himself, or 3) he was just another brainwashed jihad seeker.

Or maybe this: Psychiatrists and other Social Science types are the priests at the temple of Liberalism. Hasan’s supposed mental issues may revolve around the fact that he can not reconcile islam with the training he received as a psychiatrist.

Or this: It has been reported that Hasan wouldn’t allow his picture taken with female associates and that he really wanted a super-duper-devout Muslim wife. Also 39 and still not married? Was he getting laid? All of this added to the fact that there are so many women in his jobfield. Anyone with that mindset would naturally have a major problem with females in the army, especially female supervisors. So let’s add woman hater to the list of possibilities, shall we?

Nov 6, 2009 - 9:43 am 79. Mel:

lightweight but—
The TV show V. The heavy blog consensus (promoted by ABC!) was that the slimy lizard aliens were liberals in disguise.
But as the program was produced in the UK(?), isn’t it more likely the aliens were stand-ins for Islamists? Diferent than us under the skin, very sensitive to bad press, have infiltrated our security forces, a desire to consume our civilization, but with a few who want to fight with us.

Nov 6, 2009 - 9:46 am 80. Delia:

Identity politics is going to come back to bite the MSM in the arse.
___

Yes, N&T, your ‘hero’ George Tiller was a great doctorand will be sorely missed by many a Leftist nutjob.

Nov 6, 2009 - 9:47 am 81. ked5:

38. Neal Scroggs:

To: Terry

I agree with most of what you have written here, except your evaluation of Islam. I must reply that Islam IS a religion

~~~~~

Your comment is typical of a PC westerner. In my homeschool group is a woman who is Saudi, and was reared Muslim by her Saudi Muslim family. The things SHE has said are far more in agreement with what Terry has said than you. She has been quite clear that it is NOT a religion, but is a LEGAL system. Remember, this is a woman who is Saudi, whose family is Saudi Muslim, and was herself reared muslim.

Another thing she’s also made clear – her family is going against Islam for NOT killing her for apostacy.

Oh, and Mosab Hassan Yousef is also more likely to agree with Terry than you. His father was one of the founders of HAMAS. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,402483,00.html

Nov 6, 2009 - 9:53 am 82. RebeccaH:

Regarding the “taunting” because Hasan was a Muslim, if there ever actually was any, apparently he triggered it himself by constantly proselytizing and preaching his extremist Islamic views. My question is, why on earth did he even join the military? Surely, with two wars raging, he knew he’d have to go sooner or later.

Nov 6, 2009 - 9:57 am 83. Peter the Bubblehead:

75. Chuck Pelto wrote:
P.S. An all feminine ‘firing party’ would be an interesting ‘touch’….

Peter writes: Particularly if the squad is lead by Sgt Kimberly Munley, assuming she is willing.

Nov 6, 2009 - 10:02 am 84. John "birther" Samford:

“MP’s or contracted civilian cops are not trained to the standards of the FBI Hostage Rescue Team or Delta Force.”

What does that have to do with anything? The Rogue Major wasn’t trained to Delta Force Standards either.

“I strongly suspect tt will come out later that a significant number of those hit will have wounds from friendly fire from the cops or MP’s who took down the major.”

I strong suspect Markos Moulitsas Zúñiga has fleas, which has as much to do with this topic as your dribble.
My point was that it will be incredibly naive to believe ANYTHING the media pumps out now. Especially after hearing the early reports claiming 3 gunmen were involved. If you do that math, 3 shooters works out pretty well with the results. 3 shooters give angles and crossfires that leave no escape. In milspeak it’s called a ‘killbox’ by the Marines and a ‘fire sack’ by the Army ( Army is to PC to apply the term ‘kill’ to their activities).
The problem with 3 shooters is that 3 gunman mean it is a planned attack by organized enemies. That means somebody in the government should have caught it and prevented it. Somebody in Obama’s government. He cannot blame this attack on President Bush. So that means either he accepts the failure and blame or he spins the attack as that of a ‘lone nut’. The lone nut theory has been popular with politicians dodging responsibility for a long time. Brutus had accomplices.

Nov 6, 2009 - 10:04 am 85. ETAB:

Remember that Hasan was regularly promoted, an easy enough move for a non-combat officer. As an officer, who would ‘harass’ him? Certainly no non-ranking person, and I doubt that his fellow medical officers would do so. Why?

Was he harassing them with his constant objections to the war? Were their rebuttals to him viewed by him as ‘harassment’? The fact that his cousin says that Hasan says he was harassed is meaningless without the factual context.

And why didn’t the Army protect others from his emotional derangement? How entrapped is the military in the issues of political correctness, where they fear a ‘human rights ‘ lawsuit, with the dissident asserting that it his First Amendment right to bash the US online and to others.

Nov 6, 2009 - 10:05 am 86. Anonymous:

#65 RID
“This should be a time for overwhelming compassion for the victims and thoughtful, patient analysis…”

That’s for folks like you, RID, and these things have and will have their place. But for folks like police, soldiers, and those who love and support them, this is also a time for defensive action, discovery of the truth, and the doing of justice.

Nov 6, 2009 - 10:07 am 87. your mama:

I am not buying he was being taunted.Thats the spin I’m sure the msm will use.It is old and tiresome.
tell it like it is,he was a terrorist.
Will the msm run it like they did with Timothy Mcvey?

Nov 6, 2009 - 10:08 am 88. Peter the Bubblehead:

78. Ding wrote:
Sorry, I don’t buy that Hasan was harassed to the point of terrorism/murder. You’ll have to provide proof, not just hearsay provided by his family, which is suspect. The military desegregated long before other U.S. institutions and has a long history of integration and personnel training on race issues.

Peter writes: First off, any military unit is going to have some level of hazing, if for no other reason then to see just how far they can go to get under the skin of those they serve alongside. Usually it’s done in jest and those involved can simply laugh it off.

That being said, during an interview last night with another officer who served with Hasan in the past, it was revealed that the accusations the family has been leveling, of Hasan (I refuse to refer to him a Major) being harrassed about his religion and ethnicity constantly, is patently false.

And as someone else posted on this thread earlier, he was a fairly high ranking military officer. Sure as heck there were no enlisted personnel harrassing him, and very few officers high enough that he could not have simply smacked them down himself. Who was doing this supposedly? The base commanding General and a couple of Colonels?

Nov 6, 2009 - 10:12 am 89. Tresco:

Heads should roll at a very high level on this one. I heard a retired Col. who worked with the guy on the Radio and TV last night. I bet he gets shut up very quickly. This clown was a KNOWN SECURITY RISK but nobody spoke up. There is such a PC environment that people were afraid to come forward. How many returning GIs heads did he screw up before he went jihad?

Nov 6, 2009 - 10:19 am 90. Delia:

Now what? Shootings in Orlando today? WTF? Is this crap catching?

Maybe the compassionate 0bama can give some more ’shout-outs’.

Nov 6, 2009 - 10:19 am 91. Carlos Caliente:

Sadly it has become evident that the moderator of this site has succumbed to the demon of political correctness.
I will no longer waste my time with this site, they who fear the speaking of the truth are heart and soul fearful cowards.
Allah akbar shall be your mantra, you P. C. COWARD !!!

Nov 6, 2009 - 10:21 am 92. RichardB:

The Prez has warned us “don’t jump to conclusions until we have all the facts in”. Yeah, I guess the military “acted stupidly”.
Sudden Jihad Syndrome is what you get when someone has had a lifetime of indoctrination from the Koran which spells out how to act in the name of Islam against the infidels. They live amongst us. Be aware. All terrorists are Muslims and all Muslims are, potentially, terrorists.

Nov 6, 2009 - 10:24 am 93. Larry:

All thing considered, the military would be better off letting disgruntled soldiers out of the military. That doesn’t mean releasing them from obligations to repay the military for training, etc., but soldiers need to know that they can rely on their fellow soldiers. You can never know that 100%, but by letting people like Hasan out, at least you improve the odds a bit.

Nov 6, 2009 - 10:27 am 94. Gary Ogletree:

Guess What? Most Americans watching the Dhimmi media got a clue as soon as the shooter’s name was posted. Then enough about his Muslim background got through the filters to confirm our suspicions. LBJ had a Credibility Gap. The Democrat media complex are digging Credibility Canyon.

Nov 6, 2009 - 10:29 am 95. baal:

I hate having to say this…but all of us are going to be puzzling over this at exactly the time the Pelosi rams the healthcare B.S. through the house.

Nov 6, 2009 - 10:34 am 96. Tolbert:

If he wanted out all he had to do was resign his comission and pay any monies owed the military. Right?

Isn’t that what the Army allowed the coward, 1st Lt. Ehren Watada, to do when he refused to deploy?

Nov 6, 2009 - 10:36 am 97. ked5:

41. Peter the Bubblehead:

22. mezzrow wrote:
I thank God that this man still breathes.

Peter writes: Personally I believe, as soon as he wakes up, get all the intel you can squeeze out of him, try him according to the UCMJ, then as soon as possible, firing squad at dawn.

~~~

As much as I appreciate the sentiment, don’t make him a martyr by executing him. I’m glad he’s still alive.

The ptb will write off his actions just as they did the muslim in Seattle who forced (with a gun to a 14 year old girl’s head) his way into a locked Jewish office so he could shoot up the place – unarmed women, including a pregnant woman. One woman died. He even claimed it was in the name of islam, but the PC police and cowardly prosecuter only charged him as a whack job. Rather than a hate crime based upon religious motives.

Nov 6, 2009 - 10:37 am 98. Never for Obama:

I’d guess this story will get only minimal coverage by the MSM. It is hard to spin the truth, when it so obviously is not PC!!

Nov 6, 2009 - 10:37 am 99. Anonymous:

Sadly, Carlos has left us. Who the hell is Carlos?

Nov 6, 2009 - 10:37 am 100. Cybergeezer:

Two more high ranking muslims are appointed posts at U.S. Department of Homeland Security:

Obama and Janet Napolitano Appoint Arif Alikhan, a devout Muslim as Assistant Secretary for Policy Development: Source for announcement: Homeland Security Press Room.
Arif Alikhan is a devout Sunni and the son of Pakistani immigrants.
The American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee (ADC) is proud to announce that the DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano swore-in Kareem Shora, a devout Muslim, who was born in Damascus, Syria as ADC National Executive Director as a member of the Homeland Security Advisory Council (HSAC).

So; Is Obama a closet muslim? Would anyone be surprised?
Concealed/Carry permits are selling fast.
Keep your eyes on these “suicide-bloggers”.

Nov 6, 2009 - 10:40 am 101. Roark:

Islam is THE religion of death. This unfortunate incident reinforces what is already known about Islam’s “die or be converted” dictum. A reality that has been fully known since the days of Mohammed the prophet’s own lecherous tyranny.

Nov 6, 2009 - 10:42 am 102. thewhobs:

I wonder…..will this be seen as a “hate crime” under the new Obama law?

Nov 6, 2009 - 10:45 am 103. Ding:

#88 P the B

Sure, we still have hazing in the military but not at levels that once existed. Nerds, dumbasses and newbies get it on a regular basis and all races have their share of these, but sexual and racial harassment are not tolerated, at least not where I’ve been.

I’m betting that if he was picked on, it was because he was a dumbass. Sometimes it’s hard to hide a stupid person behind an officers uniform.

Nov 6, 2009 - 10:45 am 104. Jon H:

“Arabic words, reportedly a Muslim prayer, had been posted on his apartment door in Maryland”

Oh my god! Just like Jews!

Nov 6, 2009 - 11:08 am 105. moho:

I’d guess this story will get only minimal coverage by the MSM. It is hard to spin the truth, when it so obviously is not PC!!

There’s an easy way to find out, idiot. Turn on the tv and see for yourself. That’s what you people are usually afraid of, right? Putting your asinine theories to the reality test.

Nov 6, 2009 - 11:12 am 106. BeReasonable:

Mr. Bauer, you’re so quick to judge, it scares me. And if others don’t judge quickly enough, or reach the same conclusion you do, you call them cowards. MSM gets the early facts on these kinds of events wrong SO often, a little restraint should be applauded, not condemned. To you, evidence the shooter is a devout Muslim is automatically equivalent to evidence that he’s a jihadist, so we can now condemn not just this killer but all Muslims who say they’re devout. While we’re at it, lets condemn all pro-life Christians, seeing as how one of them murdered an abortion doctor.

How am I supposed to take your scholarship on Islamist extremism seriously when you’re judgment is so clearly impaired?

Nov 6, 2009 - 11:20 am 107. ian:

There is a larger context. For years US law enforcement has used an extremely narrow definition to define Islamic terrorism. When we think of Islamic terrorism we focus (correctly) on the extremist ideology, an ideology that all too often rationalizes mass murder. So we see the supposed “lone wolf”, e.g., the Brooklyn Bridge shooting, the failed Brooklyn subway bombing, the Empire State building shooting, the Los Angeles airport shooting, the Seatle Jewish center shooting, the Egyptian air pilot who intentionally crashed a passenger jet, etc., and we see a very clear common bond in a shared dangerous worldview. But law enforcement sees it differently, refusing to call a violent act terrorism if there is no conspiracy associated with a known terrorist group. The MSM tends to play off this overly restrictive definition, ignoring the ideological underpinnings of the homicidal act. Of course, if you ignore the ideology of jihad in trying to explain a jihadist act then you miss the essential point and are engaging in willful self-delusion.
I am also curious about the idea that an insane worldview can be negated in explaining this type of violence by fixating on the personal emotional frailties of the perpetrator. Isn’t it more likely that an unstable person may find solace in an insane ideology? Yet the ideology is hardly incidental.

Nov 6, 2009 - 11:50 am 108. kochevnik:

Tiller was ASSASSINATED by right wing extremist NEO-CHRISTIANS.
They are domestic terrorists, and have nothing to do with the spiritual, who promote love and understanding.
This paramilitary cult of neo-christianity is deeply rooted in the white supremacist movement AND the fundamentalist evangelical cults.
Those are the people that celebrate greed, war, military invasions into sovereign nations, torture, and most of the other ghastly excesses of the neo-con administration of Cheney/Bush/Rumsfeld.
And those same people want to overturn Roe v. Wade, secede state by state from the union, criminalize homosexuality, and will use whatever force is necessary to get their hands back on the reins of power.
They are the greatest danger to american freedom, here on US soil, in the world.
Not the Taliban which is half a world away, but citizens intent on winning back political power through manipulating the media and the political process, or through violent revolutionary overthrow of our government if necessary.
They will not be satisfied until the Bible replaces the Constitution as the law of the land, and neo-christianity is the official religion.
Wake up and see the truth for yourself.
They are against the freedom of choice.
They oppose the right of a woman to choose an abortion.
They are against the right of homosexuals to choose to be OUT.
They are against homosexuals choosing to marry a same sex partner.
They are against americans having the right to choose national healthcare.
They were against the majority of americans choosing to elect a black man as president.
They are against his choosing the first latina Supreme Court nominee.
They claim to be for freedom, but with freedom comes choices that you might not like, but must support if you believe in freedom.
They only believe in the freedom of the wealthy to get wealthier, and corporations to get larger and pay less taxes.
They only believe in the right for americans to choose to join their movement and become neo-christians, or suffer their wrath.
The people that killed Tiller are anti-american and against freedom.
They are traitors.
If the average american does not stand up for the freedoms of other americans to make personal choices for themselves, this country and it’s freedoms are lost to history.
And the sacrifices of our ancestors against the Nazi threat in WW II will have been for nothing, if we allow them to take over here without fighting back.
Anti-abortionists == domestic terrorists == neo-christian == anti-woman == anti-freedom == neo-con == neo-nazi.

Nov 6, 2009 - 11:54 am 109. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: Be[UN]Reasonable

While we’re at it, lets condemn all pro-life Christians, seeing as how one of them murdered an abortion doctor. — Be[UN]Reasonable

Let’s see…..

Anti-Abortionists – 2
Islamists – 10,000+

Anyone else getting a ‘clue’ here?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Figures don't lie. But liars, like Be[UN]Reasonable, figure.]

Nov 6, 2009 - 11:56 am 110. stuart williamson:

Major Hassan did not regard his act as murder or or cowardly; he perceived himself as a MARTYR to the faith, and is probably deeply ashamed that he was not killed. Just as the poor “unstable handyman” in seattle who randomly killed innocent clerical workers in a Jewish social services office considers himself a martyr. A direct ticket to Paradise.

There is no stigma attached to Islamic Martyrs by the Muslim faithful, however “moderate”. They are not about to openly criticize any true follower of Allah.

Nov 6, 2009 - 12:37 pm 111. Poor Citizen:

To no 62 Bubblehead…

The M9? good grief, im getting old, as an MP (admittedly during that old war vietnam) my sidearm was a .45, then that and a 12 guage and a 22 then a .357, then all the above… though I also hung out with the mattel..lol m-16 and the old m1 carbine for laughs…

the M9?

man, I need to take a class…im gettin old.

and oh, by the way, there is the UCMJ, and the law, if you break the law, then you get busted (enlisted, article 12?) and for officers, fragged ..(just kidding)… I think its article 38 or 9… and yes, during wartime (congressional mandated) you can get the death penalty, but that is doubtful (feds dont do death penalty ..usually). Personnally? I would rather see this dude (if he lived) rot like sirhan sirhan and manson..for many decades in a cage.

Nov 6, 2009 - 12:42 pm 112. AtheistConservative:

“Tiller was ASSASSINATED by right wing extremist NEO-CHRISTIANS.”

Actually, he was killed by one man.

“They are the greatest danger to american freedom, here on US soil”

Right. Over a decade one Christian kills one abortion doctor. How many people were killed by Islamic extremists in that time?

You’re a raving lunatic.

Nov 6, 2009 - 12:42 pm 113. Chuck Pelto:

TO: CyberGeezer
RE: Heh

Two more high ranking muslims are appointed posts at U.S. Department of Homeland Security — CyberGeezer

What was it I said elsewhere?

If it’s bad for America, Obama will do it.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. Watch what happens in Afghanistan for an ‘indicator’….

Nov 6, 2009 - 12:55 pm 114. elittle:

Chuck at #74. Pershing had a ditch dug in front of the honorees where the pigs bodies were thrown. After dipping the bullets in blood, he executed 49 of the 50 prisoners and let the last man go to spread the word of what happens when you screw with the US military. There was not another terrorist incident anywhere in the PI for the next 40 years!

Nov 6, 2009 - 1:02 pm 115. Poor Citizen:

no 42 samizdat…

Sorry I did not see your query till now. You deserve an answer. Personnel in the military are subject to strict uniform codes and are governed under the ucmj (uniform code of military justice). However, under local authority, local commanders and/or commanding officers (on ships) are authorized to allow people to dress as they deem necessarry, except during nomral working hours (must be in uniform). And, of course, some are authorized to dress as civilians for special operations.

I think this guy was medical corps (very liberal dress code is allowed) so he was probably allowed to basically wear what he wanted before and after working hours. So the the uniform aspect is not really relevant. Hope that answers your question.

Nov 6, 2009 - 1:17 pm 116. kochevnik:

@AtheistConservative You are saying Tiller acted alone? BTW what kind of atheist are you, exactly? I ask because reason doesn’t seem your strong suit.

By your reasoning Fort Hood’s Nidal Hasan also acted alone in an isolated incident. Thanks for proving my point!

Nov 6, 2009 - 1:18 pm 117. auntiecairo:

AtheistConservative -you are forgetting the Atlanta Olympic bombing (think that qualifies as a terrorist act?) which was by Eric Rudolph – an anti-abortionist; there have been numerous bombings at clinics with injuries and deaths. Nobody is justifying what happened yesterday. But you can hardly argue you at more risk from a Muslim than other citizens — the number of people killed in this year from terrorists versus random acts of violence and domestic violence is not even palpable. What happened yesterday (which we still don’t have all the facts on – remember balloon boy) — was no doubt someone who snapped -maybe his religion was a factor – but doesn’t that prove the point that relious extremism – no matter the religion – is the problem – as neither Islam or Christianity as a whole are violent faiths – yet proponents of both have killed probably millions over the centuries. As for the “MSM” reporting this — in criminal investigations real journalists try to show restraint – because mistruths, mistakes – can taint future proceedings. I know it’s hard for alot of conservatives to remember – but in this country people are innocent until proven guilty. No doubt yesterday’s crime was perpetrated by a sick individual — but we still don’t know why or any other facts. If his crazy talk was an indicator – then we have alot to be afraid of because all you need to do is go onto the Fox news blogs and read more hateful, scary, ignorant talk than you’d think could exist in a civilized society. Hopefully the politicians will try to assist the Army in focusing on issues of mental health- it’s becoming a crisis with numerous suicidies and acts of violence among soldiers. Lest you think it’s only Muslims committing these acts a soldier committed a murder today at Camp LeJeune in North Carolina and murders have been committed in the past at Fort Hood by people much like yourselves- white males. . . .

Nov 6, 2009 - 1:24 pm 118. ETAB:

kochevnik – your list, which can only be called an illogical fundametalist rant, is filled with misinformation, outright falsehoods and contradictions.

Abortion and health care are choices and not a right. You are racist, with your focus on Obama’s skin color and Sotemayor’s ethnicity. Most people consider only the intellect of the people in such positions, and both are lacking in this area.

You reject freedom of choice, you reject what you say you support – the freedom to make personal choices about themselves…That includes the choice not to have an abortion, the choice to pay for health care with private insurance, the choice to reject Obama as a socialist and so on. You reject free choice and insist that people live only within YOUR choices.

Your rant is filled with contradictions and falsehoods…and is as fundamentalist as any neo-nazi rhetoric.

Nov 6, 2009 - 1:26 pm 119. gernot:

I am amazed how easily Kochevnik and other liberal dingbats are able to understand the motives of everyone else but themselves. I love it when they pontificate about the motives of others as though they were mind readers. Apparently Obama’s narcissism is contagious, as is his hypocracy, dimwitted ignorance, and undying faith in his own intelligence. Obama is in reality a stupid, racist, ignoramus, who is undeniably eloquent. We have carried affirmitive action to its Occams’s razor moment. Gia help us poor athiests.

Nov 6, 2009 - 1:31 pm 120. Donna V.:

112. AtheistConservative: Well, in the addled mind of kochevnik, one abortion doctor is probably worth dozens, nay, hundreds of US soldiers.

And let’s not forget the terrorist tea party folks. Why, their signs made Nancy Pelosi cry! (Although I’m thinking it was just a botox leak.)

Nov 6, 2009 - 1:43 pm 121. agnostic:

Islam is not a religion, but a political agenda whose mission is death to all non-Muslims. These people are living among us in the good, old U.S.A. They are not innocent and they are not peace-loving, despite their meek demeanor. This man knew exactly what he was doing when he committed this massacre. Your friendly neighborhood Muslim is just one step away from doing the same thing to you.

Nov 6, 2009 - 1:45 pm 122. DaveT:

I’m all for not prejudging individual people, but I feel we have become so afraid of anything that does not toe the absolute line of multiculturalism, that we are afraid to confront and deal with individual extremists until people are dead. The death of these people needs to be a warning heeded.

I’d like to note that our poor trolls are amazingly reaching a new low today. There is no major or even minor portion of Christianity that believes the way to deal with the abortion tragedy is to murder people. There is no equivalent in modern day Christianity to Jihad or Shariah. Equating the tragic aberration that these infrequent abortionist murders represent, with the murder of thousands via systematic terror which is supported at high levels of Islamic governments and Islamic religious institutions is too deranged for words.

Nov 6, 2009 - 1:52 pm 123. Now and Then:

120. Donna V.:

Yeah death is relative. How many dead children is it worth to kill one al Quada member?

Nov 6, 2009 - 2:01 pm 124. Vasio:

It’s not about Muslim and Islam… Is it?

This guy was a contentious objector, which means he shouldn’t have been deployed in the first place, but you know how many countless times I seen this rule or regulation ignored?? Also the one for “Sole Survivor” (meaning the only male member of a family is not to deploy in war-time efforts)…

So who is the blame? Because we humans have to place blame..

The Military? For ignoring this man and continuing to let him serve as he states countless times in uniform that he is against the war. Why send someone who is against what you are doing? Ahh Haa NUMBERS.. the military needs numbers and need slots to be filled..

But you cannot go against a entire group of people or Muslims or Islamist because of particular events or the acts of particular sects.. That would not be fair.

It’s like I said it’s not about Muslim/Islam..

It’s just a case of the Kansas City Shuffle… Meaning I get you so fixated on one thing and soon as you turn away long enough I attack you from behind..

Just as the media and everyone is putting a fixation on Muslim/Islam.. Kansas City Shuffle…

It’s like, I walk up to you and say hey what’s that and as you turn and look, I sucker punch you..

It’s so sad that this has happened.

It’s bigger than what you may think.. Just keep praying and Keep GOD first always and HE will get you through.. I promise…

Nov 6, 2009 - 2:31 pm 125. Poor Citizen:

no 124 vasio,

I understand your point completely. And as civilians we can afford to quit and go elsewhere when we dont like what is going on.

But it aint that way in the miliary, though I admit I retired over ten years ago so things may have changed. But when I served and we went to harms way, my troops went with me and we ruled by committee. My name was comittee. And you did not think, you did. The think part took place with your family or in the recruiters office and that is where you left your think…you do not bring it with you when you go with me.

There is no room for thinking in the Military, thinkin is for university students that experiment…Military is for war that kills other people that are trying to kill you first. There is no room for rocket science. Its all about service, killing and survival..nothing more, and nothing less… Hope that clears your understanding up about what it is military folks do and what civilians do….

Nov 6, 2009 - 3:07 pm 126. kochevnik:

@ETAB:

>Abortion and health care are choices and not a right.
Yeah, that’s wingnut logic in a nutshell

>You are racist, with your focus on Obama’s skin color
>and Sotemayor’s ethnicity.
Uh so you’re saying that Obama isn’t a Democrat and Sotemayor wasn’t appointed by him? Yeah ETAB whatever you say there sport! Are you Lush Nimrod’s drug dealer?

Nov 6, 2009 - 3:33 pm 127. Lilith:

To#30… Thanks for the information on the incredibly brave and selfless police officer who didn’t think twice about putting herself in danger in order to save countless other lives. She’s a true hero and I can imagine her children are very, very proud of their Mum. Well done, well done, indeed!!!

Nov 6, 2009 - 3:39 pm 128. westerncanadian:

When one of our soldiers comes home in a body bag from Afghanistan we say that he was killed by ….. the enemy. Major Hasan killed American soldiers. Those soldiers were killed by ….. an enemy. It doesn’t matter what religion or ethnic background he may come from. It doesn’t matter if he was upset because his mother wouldn’t put his hat on straight. He fits the dictionary definition of “enemy”. So why are people pretending he is something else?

Nov 6, 2009 - 3:48 pm 129. westerncanadian:

When one of our soldiers comes home in a body bag from Afghanistan we say that he was killed by ….. the enemy. Major Hasan killed American soldiers. Those soldiers were killed by ….. an enemy. It doesn’t matter what religion or ethnic background he may come from. It doesn’t matter if he was upset because his mother wouldn’t put his hat on straight. He fits the dictionary definition of “enemy”. So why are people pretending he is something else?

Nov 6, 2009 - 3:49 pm 130. Phranc:

123. Now and Then:

120. Donna V.:

Yeah death is relative. How many dead children is it worth to kill one al Quada member?
_______________________________________________________

Straw man much? Actually do you have anything of real substance to offer? I understand you are a troll and a cowardly one at that given you didn’t get back to me pointing out your false and sad straw man rebuttal to me earlier. You didn’t learn from that at all. If you had you wouldn’t have come back with the same tired tactic that has failed you time and again.

Nov 6, 2009 - 3:55 pm 131. moho:

But when I served and we went to harms way, my troops went with me and we ruled by committee. My name was comittee.

I’m pretty sure it was probably @$$hole.

Nov 6, 2009 - 4:06 pm 132. moho:

Military is for war that kills other people that are trying to kill you first.

If this is true, then how does any military ever kill people first? Oh yeah, the thinking part. Well, you should of stayed in the military, because it looks like your skill set was perfectly set for the non-thinking thing.

Nov 6, 2009 - 4:08 pm 133. Lilith:

To #104
Jews do not post prayers on their front doors. Jews place small cylindrical cases, containing tiny handwritten scrolls, on their door frames.
The scroll inside the case is called a Mezuzah. All scrolls are written by hand by a scribe.
After receiving the Ten Commandments from G-d on Mt. Sinai, Moses commanded the Israelites thusly.
Hear, O Israel: The Lord our G-d, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your G-d with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength. These commandments that I give you today are to be upon your hearts. Write them on the doorframes of your houses and on your gates.
The primary purpose of hanging a mezuzah is to fulfill this biblical command. The mezuzah also serves as a reminder of G-d’s laws, His protective presence and is a symbol of Jewish identity.
I wonder; what was written the prayer that the killer posted on his front door?

Nov 6, 2009 - 4:14 pm 134. Pragmatist:

Vasio so its not about Islam and he is a conscientious objector is he. Well HE joined the Army no one forced him and thats NOT what Conscientious Objectors do. He ONLY had problems with fighting MUSLIMS but its not about Islam oh no not at all. You pathetic MOONBAT.

Nov 6, 2009 - 4:20 pm 135. aloysiusmiller:

We have the ironic pleasure to observe that this hate apostle of the religion of misogyny was brought down by a woman. God bless this American hero and restore her to health and strength.

Nov 6, 2009 - 4:20 pm 136. Now and Then:

70. Chuck Pelto:

“Or maybe you’ll tell US how many commissions—city, county and state—YOU’VE been appointed to. Or how many men will trust YOU with their very lives.’

Gee, Chuck, first it was months of Mensa and now it’s “I’m on a commission!” Clearly neither require self esteem. Relax, nobody cares how many commissions you sit on. You know that, right?

Nov 6, 2009 - 4:22 pm 137. Now and Then:

129. Phranc:

Here’s a tip for you Phranc: I’m not here to take assignments from you. But since you’re in the mood, here’s one for you: How many dead children is it worth to kill one aQ member? Until you answer that, Ph off.

Nov 6, 2009 - 4:30 pm 138. Pragmatist:

#38 Neal Scroggs perhaps you could explain how a Rennaisance can happen in Islam when it and its own book declare that it is the ‘Actual UNALTERABLE word of their so called God’ no room for enlightenment there is there. BTW guys ignore the MOHO Troll he is s self confessed antisemitic Jew Hating Mohammedan ARAB.

Nov 6, 2009 - 4:32 pm 139. Sallie:

If Hasan dies in the gas chamber, or in his hospital bed, which would be toooo good for him, does he get those virgins? I don’t know all the rules and regulations for that part of the party.

The jinns that whisper into a man’s soul and tell them to give into their evil “wants” are guiding this “religion” that this man follows. There are no excuses.

Nov 6, 2009 - 4:36 pm 140. myth buster:

137. None, but then again, we haven’t killed any children. They may have been killed by our bombs, but their blood is on the hands of those who use them as human shields, not we who kill such cowardly scum. If a police sniper aims at a kidnapper and accidentally shoots a hostage, it is the kidnapper, not the sniper, who has just committed murder.

Nov 6, 2009 - 4:59 pm 141. blotto:

n&t: you are so full of yourself and programmed by Kos that you cannot see how utterly foolish you look defending and deflecting what is the worst attack on our soil since 9-11.

At the very least you could have said God Bless the dead and wounded, but you and that hoser moho had to go right into your now well known apoplectic, defend the indefensible mode. Not only are you both predictable, but you are getting tedious. Your offerings are beginning to ring hallow-stale.

And you last rebuttal(?) was absolutely childish.

You poor miserable dolt, eh tool.

Nov 6, 2009 - 5:06 pm 142. kochevnik:

@westerncanadian

>Major Hasan killed American soldiers. Those soldiers
>were killed by ….. an enemy. He fits the dictionary
>definition of “enemy”… So why are people pretending
>he is something else?

I take then the true “enemy” is a “reflection in any mirror?”

Nov 6, 2009 - 5:19 pm 143. Pez-Dispenser:

137

now and then:

perhaps you be asking the taliban why they are teaching children to become suicide bombers? why islamists rape children especially little boys and then blame the rape victims and stone them to death or remove body parts? why islam teaches that women are nothing but chattel to be abused and raped and treated like dirt? Why Mohammad was a pedophile prophet who had sex with a girl child? why muslims think all people who are not muslims are infidels to be converted to islam or turned into dhimmis or murdered in the name of allah? maybe the arab world should just be aborted.

Nov 6, 2009 - 5:24 pm 144. sorrell:

Listen MSM: this was not a case of “deployment stress”. Being in a family with a father, husband, two daughters and two son-in-laws in the military, we can talk about “deployment stress”. This person had taken all the advantages of the military (free college, free med school, easy career) but did not agree with any of the tenets of his employer from the start. There is no draft (remember…) He was there of his own choice. This murderer is NOT a “victim” of stress or bullying, regardless of how many times or how many ways you say it. Again, he is a cold blooded murderer. There is no hell hot enough for him.

Nov 6, 2009 - 5:40 pm 145. moho:

Sallie.

How about non-muslims, what do they get?

In the six years since combat operations began in Iraq, Fort Carson — the country’s third-largest Army base, with 22,000 active soldiers on duty — has become its own kind of killing field. Before Kevin Shields was gunned down, at least three other Iraq War veterans from the base had been arrested for murder, and a fourth had committed suicide after killing his wife. Since then, at least five more GIs at Fort Carson have been arrested in connection with murders, attempted murders or manslaughter. All told, the military acknowledged this summer, 14 soldiers from the base have been charged or convicted in at least 11 slayings since 2005 — the largest killing spree involving soldiers at a single U.S. military installation in modern history.

I doubt this even raised eyebrows amongst you fools. Going on raging killing sprees is an American past time.

Nov 6, 2009 - 5:55 pm 146. homero:

39. Peter the Bubblehead:

4. Fnord wrote:
Ah, Bruce Bawer, I guess that makes the soldiers who fragged officers during Vietnam terrorists too?

Peter writes: Were they shouting “Ahalu Akbar!” as they did it in Viet Nam? Because eye-witnesses at Ft Hood report Hasan was doing it.

Two simple words to descrive this massacre;

Terrorist Attack!

You are correct Peter …it is a saul alinski tactic to make moral equivilance where it doesn’t belong. bit of a quisling approach

Nov 6, 2009 - 6:06 pm 147. SJ:

Mr. Bawer, I ran accross your art. after my freind and I talked about the issue that here in the USA the MSM was so PC concerning this scum bag who killed soldiers in cold blood and made all kinds on excuses as to why he may have freaked out. We even mentioned that prior to having read your book “While Europe Slept” we would not have given it much thought. Note to the PC critters out there. I have spent 20 to 22 weeks a year every year for the part 10 years on assignment in Europe and Asia so don’t give me some crap that I am a nut well versed in the govs of those countries who go along to get along. And yes I have several freinds who are Muslims but they are not American first and not only find the so called moderates allies of the killers but these freinds have put themselves and their familes at risk for their being outspoken.
I know exactly what you are talking about regarding CNN in Europe and their anti-american bent. Even in the USA the only station that is bringing this up is FOX.
Please keep reporting on these issues.

Nov 6, 2009 - 6:08 pm 148. Jim Jones:

Kimberly Munley should be in the House Gallery at the State of the Union address. The coward shot her legs through, but she stood there, shot back and paralyzed his.

Nov 6, 2009 - 6:16 pm 149. Chuck Pelto:

TO: elittle

Chuck at #74. Pershing had a ditch dug in front of the honorees where the pigs bodies were thrown. After dipping the bullets in blood, he executed 49 of the 50 prisoners and let the last man go to spread the word of what happens when you screw with the US military. There was not another terrorist incident anywhere in the PI for the next 40 years! — elittle

Interesting report.

Can you please provide a url or other verifiable reference?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Nothing succeeds like success.]

Nov 6, 2009 - 6:37 pm 150. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Now and Then
RE: Heh

Gee, Chuck, first it was months of Mensa and now it’s “I’m on a commission!” Clearly neither require self esteem. Relax, nobody cares how many commissions you sit on. You know that, right? — Now and Then

Obviously YOU do. Otherwise you’d have ignored the comment.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out....much to N&T's chagrin....]

Nov 6, 2009 - 6:39 pm 151. Phranc:

137. Now and Then:

129. Phranc:

Here’s a tip for you Phranc: I’m not here to take assignments from you. But since you’re in the mood, here’s one for you: How many dead children is it worth to kill one aQ member? Until you answer that, Ph off.
———————————————————

I don’t take tips from liars. And I didn’t give you an assignment. That would be another lie. So once again being void of anything even closely resembling substantive you flog out another straw man argument. You have failed at even being able to redeem yourself.

I had fun today troll. Maybe if make a big enough fool of your self with intellectually dishonest arguments tomorrow I will find time to play.

Nov 6, 2009 - 6:53 pm 152. ETAB:

kchevnik – you seem unable to debate, using reason and facts. When I critique your opinions, rather than trying to persuade me of the validity of your opinions (using reason and logic)…you retreat into personal insults.

That means that your opinions aren’t the result of reason and facticity; they are just your personal views.

Again, abortion is not a right; it’s a choice. You haven’t provided any reasons for its being a human right.

You are the one who specifically mentioned that Obama was chosen ‘as a black man’ as president; you said nothing about his policies. Equally, your only description of Sotomayer was as a ‘latina’. That’s your racism.

And you reject freedom of choice. You’ve made that very clear.

Now and Then – your question is invalid (how mny dead children = one Al Qaeda member). It’s an emotional fallacy. After all, you can readily set up other equations: Al Qaeda use of children as suicide bombers vs people saved by killing Al Qaeda. Try again.

Nov 6, 2009 - 7:02 pm 153. westerncanadian:

#142 Kochevnik: We are the enemy of our enemy, and vice versa. It means Major Hasan is not our friend, and we are not his. Our enemy may, or may not look like us, as a mirror image does. It is important to know who are ones friends and who are not.

Nov 6, 2009 - 7:03 pm 154. kochevnik:

26@ETAB
>kochevnik’s comment shows us that some people consider
>that any and all peoples should attempt to destroy the
>USA – because it is the USA.

Sorry ETAB I missed that one. So you’re saying hate speech and corporfascism are the central platform of the republican party? Because I thought the key agenda was legalizing gangrape and torture. Well, thanks for clearing that up.

Nov 6, 2009 - 7:07 pm 155. ETAB:

kochevnik – sorry, but I don’t understand your comments.

What does ‘hate speech’ and ‘corporofascism’ have to do with the Republican Party? I didn’t mention such terms or the GOP, therefore, how can you opine that I am ’saying’ this??

Whose ‘key agenda is ‘legalizing gangrape and torture’?

You seem to simply ‘drop opinions’ without any logic or evidence. Very strange.

Nov 6, 2009 - 7:26 pm 156. SpinCycle:

Répétez:

“Reverend Wright was not a racist”

“Barack Hussein Obama is not a Muslim”

“Nidal Malik Hasan is not a terrorist”

Rinse and repeat.

Just ignore that “Death to America! Death to Infidels! Allahu Akbar!” stuff.

We are in control of the vertical.
We are in control of the Horizontal.
We are in control.

Nov 6, 2009 - 7:55 pm 157. RickGreenville,SC:

Meet the new trolls, same as the old trolls-just as stupid. . . .

Nov 6, 2009 - 8:12 pm 158. kochevnik:

155@ETAB: You seem a little slow there on the uptake. I suggest you reread the posts and things will fall into place. I know reading comprehension isn’t a repub skill, but try it if only to see what it feels like. Also I recommend a home espresso maker. Works wonders for me.

Also, while venturing out, away from the keyboard, try catching up on the last then years. Alternately an RSS feed can do wonders. Google is your friend.

Nov 6, 2009 - 8:25 pm 159. kochevnik:

153@westerncanadian:

>#142 Kochevnik: We are the enemy of our enemy, and
>vice versa. It means Major Hasan is not our friend,
>and we are not his. Our enemy may, or may not look
>like us, as a mirror image does. It is important to
>know who are ones friends and who are not.

I’m sorry I was thinking of something common in the US in a comic strip ‘Pogo’ where he says “WE HAVE MET THE ENEMY AND HE IS US.”

I don’t know why you hang around these provincial inbred redneck losers, frankly. Maybe you’re forced by circumstance. As a canuk, each of your brain cells is worth two in the USA.

Nov 6, 2009 - 8:42 pm 160. sarkis:

Dear commenters, please don’t forget that trolls’ main objective is to render the discussion irrelevant and boring, thus sabotaging the site, and that your readers are multitude and not the troll. I see some value in dissecting some trolls’ devices for others to see (moho likes tu quoque, I see) but mere blather or insult ought to be ignored for the sake of our readers — it speaks for itself.
That’s how I see it.

Nov 6, 2009 - 9:27 pm 161. moho:

Blotto,

It always makes me laugh when you people start crying that we’re full of ourselves, simply because we’ve used reason and logic to best you in an argument.

Nov 6, 2009 - 9:37 pm 162. Richard:

You may be guilty of doing exactly what you accuse CNN of doing in their reporting.

Let me ask you a question about some of your assumptions.

In the first paragraph of your article you refer to the victims of the horrible crime as “Brave Soldiers”, in a heroic sense.

Does being the victim of a horrible crime make one brave? Or were they brave prior to being victimized, or both? How do you know they were brave?

When you use this type of language, you are painting a picture. Creating an image.

The image you created was of hero’s being gunned down prior to being able to do more heroic acts.

Does wearing a uniform make one a hero? Or brave? Obviously not in the case of Hasan, or wait, he may have been brave himself. But not a hero, not a hero to us at least.

One thing is for certain, you..I’m referring to the author of this article…you are no different than those in the mainstream media who you are castigating for their poor or biased reporting.

You are just as biased at they are, perhaps in a different way. Your bias is just more subtle.

Nov 6, 2009 - 11:51 pm 163. George:

MSM and our lame politicians are the ones who are truly responsible for this attack. When is Homeland Security to be taken seriously ?

Nov 7, 2009 - 2:32 am 164. Fred Beloit:

#125
All of a sudden, after months of raving pacifist rants by him, we learn Poor Folk is a retired soldier. What was your last MOS, Poor Folk?

Nov 7, 2009 - 6:16 am 165. Fred Beloit:

Zdravstvuite, koCHEVnik. Menia zovut Fred Beloit. What part of Minsk are you from, my commie friend? Have you served in the Obama administration since the beginning, Homeland Security one supposes? I am so eager to learn more from a logical and reasoning person like you. Why you are almost as wise as Moho, Now and Then, and Biblio together.

Nov 7, 2009 - 6:29 am 166. Now and Then:

151. Phranc:

By all means. Phranc, retreat. Bark and run. It’s the chickenhawk way. Maybe if conservatives had more balls the terrorists wouldn’t be so bold.

Nov 7, 2009 - 7:52 am 167. Now and Then:

150. Chuck Pelto:

“Obviously YOU do. Otherwise you’d have ignored the comment.”

Clearly you’ve forgotten my mission here (or is is it my commission) . . .To highlight the self-righteous and hypocritical moralizing of right wing extremists. Your relentless claims of brains and relevance qualify you on several accounts.

Nov 7, 2009 - 7:56 am 168. Bohemond:

“It’s not about Muslim and Islam… Is it?

This guy was a contentious objector, which means he shouldn’t have been deployed in the first place, but you know how many countless times I seen this rule or regulation ignored?? ”

No.

Legally one is only a C.O. if one is a total pacifist, opposed to all war for any reason. You don’t get to pick and choose, to say “THIS war is bad, but THAT war would be OK.” For this reason it’s almost impossible to win a C. O. claim in today’s volunteer military; pretty much only in the case of a dramatic post-enlistment religious conversion (and the burden of proof for that is very high).

Poor Citizen, on the M9:

Back in the ’80s the Pentagon transitioned from the M1911A1 to the Beretta 92FS 9mm (aka M9). This in the name of “NATO commanality.” The troops don’t like it- it’s too sensitive to dust and grime, and 9-mike just doesn’t pack the punch of .45 ACP. For this reason Marine Force Recon and some other snakeaters have managed to hang on to their ol’ John Brownings.

Nov 7, 2009 - 8:02 am 169. Tomko:

@Richard – When someone says good morning how do you respond? “Good? What’s so good about it? It’s still 9 o’clock, what if I got hit by a car? Would it still be a GOOD MORNING? HUH? would it? Huh?”

Your post is the most meaningless pile of schlep I’ve read in a long time, and I feel stupider for having read it.

Did it occur to you the the writer was just trying to be nice and was just showing respect for the victims and the mourning families of the victims?

Nov 7, 2009 - 8:04 am 170. Delia:

@162. Richard,

How many times have you heard our military referred to as “Our brave men and women”? I have heard that phrase more times than I can count and for the most part I think that phrase fits.

Why?

Because voluntarily joining the army since Desert Storm with Bush Sr. and the wars that have followed means that the many young folks who sign-up may very well go to literal war and lose life and/or limb for their country and the knowingly do so with that knowledge.

I dunno ’boutchoo, but I’d say that’s pretty gutsy/brave imho.

Nov 7, 2009 - 8:20 am 171. moho:

Does being the victim of a horrible crime make one brave? Or were they brave prior to being victimized, or both? How do you know they were brave?

Richard, its obvious that it only makes Americans brave. When it happens to Afghan civilians, it makes them terrorists.

Nov 7, 2009 - 8:38 am 172. Bob:

It’s not about being Muslim, it’s about being Palestinean. Think about it, the place where your family is from is your home. I’m confident some genius recruiter imagined that this Arabic speaking olive-skinned guy could one day be one of the primary tools in a psychological campaign against Middle Eastern terrorists. The apple does not fall far from the tree.

Nov 7, 2009 - 8:41 am 173. Tomko:

@Richard – here’s a couple definitions for you

Brave – Someone who would volunteer for the army during a time of war and put there lives at risk to in order to defend their country and the citizens therein.

Coward –

1) Someone that would take 2 hand guns and indiscriminately kill others for no reason but to please a supposed god that cannot be proven by anyone to actually exist.

2) Someone that sits in the comfort of there own home behind a computer and insults the integrity of the victims that were willing to put their lives in harms way in order to make it possible for this a$$hole to feel comfortable in his own home.

Nov 7, 2009 - 8:55 am 174. Carol Gould:

My favourite was Charlie Gibson asking one of his reporters if perhaps Nidal Malik Hasan was a ‘convert’ … doh???

Nov 7, 2009 - 9:24 am 175. Tomko:

@mohoMO:

If America was in Afghanistan to kill the civilians they would have been finished years ago.

The ones killing the civilians are muslims. If US pulled out of both Iraq and Afghanistan tomorrow there would be a blood bath it would be muslims killing muslims. It’s not good enough to just be a muslim because I guess some muslims are not muslim enough, so they must be killed. In Darfur Black muslims are not arab enough so they must be killed.

Muslims killing Muslims in Iraq, Pakistan, Sudan you name it…Muslims doing what they do best, Killing!

Who’s bombing the markets, hotels, mosques? Muslims

You’re most likely one of them.

Nov 7, 2009 - 9:26 am 176. Tomko:

If Israel were to disappear tomorrow there would be another blood bath because both Hamas and Hezbolla would try to take each other out. One being Sunni the other being Shiite, both consider the other infidels. Again Muslims killing Muslims. Are you starting to see a trend here?

Nov 7, 2009 - 9:40 am 177. kochevnik:

152@ETAB:

Hate to break this to you ETAB, but logic and reason PREDICATE. Your posts simply reference themselves in a circle. Because they are an imaginary world. The snake chasing it’s tail. Most doggies outgrow that. Spouting mantras won’t impress anyone outside your trailer park.

In reading someof the fascist, racist comments here I am reminded of that film coming out “Dead Air”, where hired guns attack multiple US cities and place blame on the Musliums. Also this week is new game playing a CIA op killing citizens and blame “terrorists”

This is the Modern Warfare 2 video that Activision doesn’t want you to see, in which you play a CIA operative undercover as a terrorist who mows down dozens of innocent civilians in an airport.

Activision has since had the video removed from YouTube, MetaCritic and every other video hosting website that has attempted to show you this content because they do not want the bad publicity that the shocking and violent content within will undoubtedly bring, especially from mass media news outlets

TEXT at http://hellforge.gameriot.com/blogs/Hellforge/Modern-Warfare-2s-Controversial-Opening

See video at http://www.liveleak.com/item?a=view&token=364_1256689255

In short your pathetic false-flag repub warmongering is becoming standard filling for entertainment. Your borderline personality disorder blocks your ability to see the gray between extremes. Perhaps you were repeated raped at the age of two. Anyway grownups don’t care about your stupid dualism and your inability to integrate emotion with experience. That is, except other repubs who were molested as yourself and now see Islamic boogie men under every bed.

Nov 7, 2009 - 9:50 am 178. Realist:

America has reaped what it sowed , quite frankly.This wouldn\’t have happened were it not for G W Bush\’s ill conceived expeditions.

My sympathies are with the psychiatrist in the coma

Nov 7, 2009 - 10:06 am 179. Phranc:

166. Now and Then:

151. Phranc:

By all means. Phranc, retreat. Bark and run. It’s the chickenhawk way. Maybe if conservatives had more balls the terrorists wouldn’t be so bold.
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That wasn’t retreat. Yet another lie from you. You just can’t help your self can you? Bark and run? The only one who ran is you. You ran from honesty when you use straw man arguments and flat out lies. I know you think you won an argument but the fact is you didn’t even offer anything of substance to argue against. All you did was make your self look like a chump. I will agree with your last sentence though. The best way to deal with an ideologically violent enemy who all to ready to not only kill but die for his imaginary god so its disgusting religion can be forced on all man kind is to simply kill them first. But conservatives along with most of the populous are risk averse and don’t have the balls to do what needs to be done. Its also the reason why liberals have managed to take over and destroy academia and the economy.

Thats it for today with you. As easy and fun as it is to expose you for what you are the Breeders Cup is on. You should take the time to examine why you need to lie and what you lack in your life that you have filled it with dishonesty instead of making empty boasts of winning something you didn’t intellectually participate in.

Nov 7, 2009 - 10:52 am 180. ian:

#178-Yawn.

Nov 7, 2009 - 11:01 am 181. Now and Then:

179. Phranc:

Has your doctor ever mentioned the word “hypothalamus” to you?

Nov 7, 2009 - 1:19 pm 182. Vasio:

#124 Poor Citizen:

Sir/Ma’am.. I know far to much about the military as I was in and served in Iraq..

When people join the military, nobody goes to a recruiter thinking I’m joining to go to war.. People are thinking.. I will get money for college, I will obtain some skills to better my life.. Nobody is preparing or thinking war!

When your are preparing for deployment, getting your shots, completing wills and power of attorneys.. at that time there is a form in which you can state you are an objector.. That same form asks you are you a Sole Survivor, the only living male of your family. The military ignores those forms, but completes them to fulfill requirements…

I understand what you are saying and I don’t know how long ago it’s been since you served, but it is different..

A conceintous objector means that they do not beleive in or support the military war effort; point blank.. has no bearings on their religion.. I believe you can read this in AR 670-20 the Army Command Policy.. I am a bit rusty.

Recruiters enlist to meet a quto so the recruiter can care less why a young man or woman is enlisting.

This is not to take away from this MANS actions. It is simply to say the military needs not put the soldiers in harm who are willing to support the war effort by involving those who are not..

Around the time I deployed a soldier not of muslim faith, took live grenades and threw them in the tents of commander and other troops..

WAS THIS A TERRORIST ACT???!! Look it up should be in archives of the Stars and Stripes…

What about the soldier that laid and wait above a hill on a football field awaiting soldiers arrival for a drill and began picking them off one by one with a rifle..

WAS THIS A TERRORIST ACT???!! Look it up should be in archives of the Stars and Stripes…

I can go on and on and on!

Just don’t be so enwrapped in Muslims are the enemy.. Because all Germans aren’t Nazi, all whites are not KKK or Arian Nation and all Blacks aren’t thugs or Gangbangers…

The enemy is Satin.

A simple point is everyone idea of joining military service is not the intentions of going to war, point blank..

Nov 9, 2009 - 9:25 am 183. Dwight:

What do you have against satin? Is it that much more evil than wool?

Nov 9, 2009 - 7:20 pm 184. Timothy A. Taylor:

I am a black American and veteran of the U.S. Armed Forces who not only loves America but also understands that there is no better country in all the world to have the priveledge to live in. I also understand that ALL Muslims, even the so-called MODERATE ones have no such affinity for this country. For it was the so-called Moderate Muslims whom were photographed handing out candy and dancing in the streets on 9-11. So if there is anyone out there who shares my perception of the present state of Muslim affairs in these here United States who happens to live n the Culver City-West Los Angeles area, please feel free to contact me anytime… I am also particularly disturbed that they have the nerve to have recently built a multi-million dollar Mosque virtually in my back yard… To which I say- GO HOME you treacherous, hateful, two-faced, woman-hating, homicidal, suicidal murderers!!!

Nov 10, 2009 - 2:41 am 185. Steakman:

my take (from what I see North of the 49th)

The guy communicates through known jihadist websites, goes to the same mosque as his 9/11 buddies, has the audacity (thank you PCorrectness), to show a .ppt on Jihadism/Islamic fundametalism to his own superiors and in doing so literally tells them it is his Islamic duty to kill the infidels/unbelievers and then is heard shouting “Allah Ahkbar” while in the middle of killing 13 unarmed people and we are discussing whether this was in fact a terrorist attack/act of war ..??

Uh, Hullo..?? It was both and the penalty for that (TREASON..??), after being found guilty is firing squad…of course the MSM & other left wing professional apologists will do anything to spin it otherwise (same as up here in Canada – the CBC is not allowed to use the word terrorist…EVER – dont want to upset the Candian Islamic congress now do we..?)

North America had better wake up and soon. It is my opinion that the Fundamentalist Isalmic movement has 1 goal. Total Global Political/Religious domination by any means possible….once completed – say hello to sharia…nice eh.?

To date that includes using our own Political correctness/fear of offending anyone and in time, by womb. In other words they will use our very own institutions to beat us down and in time will simply out birth us. Think I’m nuts..?? Take a good look at France and Holland. On avg Europeans have 1.2 babies – Muslims 4-5 – North America is not that different.

Give it 25 years.

But what the hell…it all ends in 2012 anyway right…LOL

Nov 10, 2009 - 3:27 pm 186. Ron in Calif.:

When is the West going to wake up. All these muslim countries are trouble. Anywhere muslims go in the world you see the same thing over and over. Jihadism, terrorism, beheadings, stonings, honor killings force women to where veils, etc. Europe is having huge problems with radical islam. People dont be fooled. ISLAM IS NOT PEACEFUL. Islam is an evil cult that wants to takeover the whole world and force it into Sharia islamic rule. There goal is to take over Europe and the U.S. and destroy freedom and make it islamic. they want to destroy western civilization. If you dont believe me take a good hard look at what is happening in Western Europe. Radical islam is out of control and Europe is just bowing down and appeasing them in every way. We need to rise up and fight radical islam the same way we fought the Nazis and Hitler. These radical muslims want to take over and kill anyone who doesnt believe like them . They want the whole world to be like Iran. STAND UP AND FIGHT PEOPLE. WAKE UP AMERICA AND EUROPE.

Nov 10, 2009 - 7:05 pm 187. Fen:

“How many times is this going to be allowed to happen?”

As many times as *you* allow it to happen.

No one wants to step up, because they would risk their comfy civilian life – the two kids and picket fence. But at some point, there won’t be anything left to risk.

Meanwhile, the men who defend your liberties are murdered in their own country.

How many times are you going to allow this to happen?

Nov 11, 2009 - 10:25 am 188. kochevnik:

186@Ron in Calif.:

So Muslims are just as powerful as the Vatican’s NWO? Then let them take each-other out. What’s the problem?

Nov 12, 2009 - 10:08 pm

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