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1. Czar of Defenestration:

The German magazine, der Spiegel,
has suggested that Obama give the prize back,
because he hasn’t accomplished anything of note.

*H*E*H*

Oct 9, 2009 - 7:08 am 2. Now and Then:

So, does the world love him or hate him? Loses an Olympics bid. Wins the Nobel Peace Prize. Which one is meaningless? Go ahead, contort yourselves into ever-tightening rhetorical knots. It’s terrific entertainment.

Oct 9, 2009 - 7:09 am 3. Jack:

Obviously this is the Nobel committee response to the IOC. Call it a “Oh yea? We’ll show you” moment.

In doing so they have continued the fraud of this so-called “peace” prize.

Oct 9, 2009 - 7:11 am 4. BC:

It was probably representative of the global sigh of relief that came after Bush left office and it became clear that the new President actually asks questions and thinks things through first before sending in the bombers and troops.

Oct 9, 2009 - 7:12 am 5. Marina:

OMG, FoxNews has a great article about it. The Nobel Peace Prize nomination ended on February 1, i.e. OBAMA WAS THE POTUS ONLY 12 DAYS. Jawdropping.

So, The Fox has a list of activities of Obama in those 12 days that brought him the nomination and the Prize. SWEET:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/ci.How+to+Win+the+Nobel+Peace+Prize+In+12+Days.opinionPrint

Oct 9, 2009 - 7:18 am 6. Jack:

BC
No doubt. I’m going to run out an hug the first tree I see. This is sooooooo cool man.

Oct 9, 2009 - 7:19 am 7. Bear:

Since his nomination came before 2/1/09, the whole process is suspect.

I guess he was nominated based on the hope that he would be peaceful.

Or as others would have it, because he replaced Bush.

Oct 9, 2009 - 7:20 am 8. texexpatriate:

The Nobel Peace Prize has been a joke for years. Obama receiving it just makes it an even bigger joke. If Obama had acted decisively and followed General McChrystal’s recommendations on Afghanistan, I wonder whether he would have received the prize. Could that be one of the reasons he has dithered and dawdled as Commander in Chief on that issue? The man is morally bankrupt, so I wouldn’t be surprised if that was the case.

Oct 9, 2009 - 7:20 am 9. Jason S:

I thought now would be a good time for us to all join in one of my personally favorite songs:

There she is, Miss America
There she is, your ideal
The dreams of a million girls
Who are more than pretty
May come true in Atlantic City
Oh she may turn out to be
The queen of femininity
There she is, Miss America
There she is, your ideal
With so many beauties
She’ll take the town by storm
With her all-American face and form
And there she is
Walking on air she is
Fairest of the fair she is
Miss America

Oct 9, 2009 - 7:22 am 10. JED:

The European puppetmasters of the Open Society are well pleased with their servant Obama and wished to bolster his confidence after his Olympic loss. Perhaps after the value added tax and surrender of the United States military the puppetmasters will let him join the European Union.
The cost of awarding the peace prize is nothing compared to the rewards of gaining a nation. The global sigh of relief comes from the muckrakers of the world press and assures neither peace nor freedom.

Oct 9, 2009 - 7:24 am 11. Right as well as Correct:

Obviously they heard about the peaceful resolution of the “teaching moment” with the cop and the professor.

What an effin joke.

Oct 9, 2009 - 7:27 am 12. Poor Citizen:

I have been saying for quite some time what a breath of fresh air this new president has been around the world. Now some of you will take note. Does he deserve it? probably not, but now it is known what a difference it is. America is bright and good once again. I hope Obama does not squander this opportunity. At least his new administration has some breathing space and an accomplishment to go with it…and they need it. Will this newly regained good american image abroad last?…who knows.. Americans should be very proud of our president today. Good Job !!

Oct 9, 2009 - 7:29 am 13. rachel peepers:

Let’s see, how can we ensure that Obama won’t support his troops in Afghanistan and provide the troops his General needs to achieve stability.

“I know. We’ll give this preening POS the peace prize.”

Great idea. A true Saul Alinsky master move.

Keep your powder dry, gang. This thing is getting serious.

Oct 9, 2009 - 7:29 am 14. Sallie:

How could he have been nominated before 2/1/09?

Don’t you have to do something to get a prize? Was the “fix” in?? “they” could control the NPP committee but not the IOC?

Oct 9, 2009 - 7:32 am 15. Sebastian Shaw:

President Obama is the United States’ first prom king with the Nobel Peace Prize; he has nothing of substance for the prize itself, but the Nobel Peace Prize is a good metaphor for Obama’s rising in political office from state senator, senator, to POTUS. The empty suit with the empty prize.

Oct 9, 2009 - 7:32 am 16. misanthropicus:

No one has realized yet that Herta Mueller (the Nobel literature prizee) is a snatchy impostor?
The Nobel Prize for literature should go back to the one who deserves it, Obama and his “Dreams From My father”

Soory, Herta, but what’s fair is fair, and merit & integrity must be recognized -

Oct 9, 2009 - 7:33 am 17. Thomas_L......:

Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize! In other news, the N.F.L. announced today that the 2010 Super Bowl will be awarded at Half time. Major League Baseball today, announced that President Barack Obama is being considered for both the National and American League Cy Young Awards based on his awesome pitching at the 2009 All Star Game. Meanwhile in Iran, President Ahmadinejad announced that Iran has successfully tested …

Oct 9, 2009 - 7:36 am 18. Thomas Fink:

Shit happens. I lost my bet for Ahmadinedschad. But since Obama has strong relations with the religion of peace, it fits too.

Oct 9, 2009 - 7:40 am 19. RE:

Somebody is trying mighty hard to put the Onion out of business.

How could they ever top this absurdity?

Oct 9, 2009 - 7:40 am 20. HoosierHawk:

BH Obama had accomplished one thing prior to the nomination deadline for the Nobels, he was elected the first Black President of the United States.

Perhaps you don’t think that the color of a man’s skin is a sufficient reason for awarding a prestigious prize? You must be a racist.

It’s more or less an affirmative action Nobel. You might as well ask what did BHO do to get into Harvard? What did he do to get a book deal? What did he do to get elected Senator? You just don’t get it, do you?

Oct 9, 2009 - 7:41 am 21. Paul from Hamburg:

I don’t know why anyone is mocking this award. I am sure that Obama will be at least as effective at promoting peace as was prior winner Yasser Arafat.

Oct 9, 2009 - 7:42 am 22. Dave K.:

Typical reaction from the average Pajamasmedia pundit about President Obama winning the Nobel Peace Prize:

IT MEANS NOTHING!
(bashes furniture around office)

IT MEANS NOTHING!
(makes angry posts on internet)

IT MEANS NOTHING!
(kicks dog, slaps wife and kids)

IT MEANS NOTHING!!

Oct 9, 2009 - 7:48 am 23. NCBob:

Isn’t America great? Here, a Kenyan can be elected President and a South Chicago trickster can get a Nobel Prize. Can you imagine how pissed Jesse Jackson must be?

Oct 9, 2009 - 7:49 am 24. HoosierHawk:

4. BC:

It was probably representative of the global sigh of relief that came after Bush left office and it became clear that the new President actually asks questions and thinks things through first before sending in the bombers and troops.

Actually, the President SAID he would, in case you haven’t been paying attention, what he SAYS has no relevance to what he DOES.

Oct 9, 2009 - 7:49 am 25. Charles Johnson Jr.:

Has there ever been anyone in the history of mankind who has been handed so much with no evidence that he has ever put in a genuine day’s work in his entire life, or achieved anything beyond being born only half white and not being named George Bush? The world has gone complete mad. What is next, blind airline pilots?
Affirmative action in action.

Oct 9, 2009 - 7:53 am 26. Calatrava:

Is this the first time a Muslim is awarded the Peace Nobel Prize?

Oct 9, 2009 - 7:56 am 27. ITF:

Oh good grief.

Oct 9, 2009 - 7:56 am 28. Marina:

Btw, I still think Washington put the Committee under pressure, because Obama desperately needs the confirmation: “The world loves me! The world loves me!” after his Olympics disaster. “NOW THE F… CONSERVATIVES AND LIBERTARIANS WILL SHUT UP!” No way we will. We’re starting to laugh.

The problem with the Olympics was that Obama had overestimated his popularity and didn’t give the Olympic Committee (enough?) money. This mistake was corrected today: money, pressure, whatever it takes, but he had to get his world-leader-halo back.

The problem is, this retarded action has spoiled the illusion of Obama’s international success ABROAD. He pretended to be “just like you” for the rest of the world leaders. And now he has shown: “Well, not EXACTLY just like you. I can do this world (i.e. all of you) any way I want”. Imagine how “his new comrade” Putin feels about it. Or the Chinese. They all want Nobel Prizes for “audacities of hopes” (who doesn’t? heck, even I wouldn’t say no).

The Committee will have a lot of explaning to do. Also to me! Respect my authoritah!

Oct 9, 2009 - 7:59 am 29. Graham:

#4.

You may be absolutely right. His major accomplishment earning this prize may be that he is not George Bush.

I’m not George Bush either. Can I have one?

Oct 9, 2009 - 7:59 am 30. Jettboy:

Considering who has won the “Peace Prize” before, a Palestinian terrorist and Enviro-mental High Priest, this means nothing. Its a throw away Joke Prize given to a Joke. Liberals can gloat, but conservatives will continue to laugh.

Oct 9, 2009 - 8:01 am 31. billslayer:

Was the committee composed of gentlemen with names that sounded anything like Ayers, Wright or Rezko? Were there events the contestants had to perform in? I’m thinking Barry would have definitely taken the gold medal in the 50 meter bootlicking or perhaps the marathon appeasement competitions…

Oct 9, 2009 - 8:02 am 32. anotn:

@12. Poor Citizen:
Please list the solid block of accomplishments that place the One in the ranks of Nobel Peers, heck even Gore hand to schlep his pile of AGW manure for the Euroweenies for almost a decade before they bestowed deification upon him.

A short list of say four or five stand-out accomplishments would do.

Oct 9, 2009 - 8:03 am 33. Marina:

Next, they can give him the Nobel Prize in Medicine, for creating a brand new treatment of asthma with a breathalyzer.

Oct 9, 2009 - 8:04 am 34. misanthropicus:

Obama’s merits – Fresh from HuffPo: Dignitarian! (By Robert Fuller, Former president of Oberlin College)

“Obama’s Nobel Honors His Dignitarian Politics -

Some will say that Barack Obama’s Nobel Prize is premature. “What has he done?” they’ll ask.

Obama got the prize not for doing, but for being. Not for making peace, but for exemplifying something new on the world stage — the politics of dignity.

The Nobel Committee has simply made explicit what many have sensed. President Obama is the herald of a dignitarian politics. Not libertarian, not egalitarian, but dignitarian.

Dignitarian politics represents a modern synthesis of libertarian and egalitarian politics. War between these two battle-scarred, now exhausted ideologies shaped both national and international politics throughout the twentieth century. Obama is the first politician of world stature to identify and model an alternative that can meet the challenges of the twenty-first. Awarding Obama the Nobel Prize is an expression of the hope that our best chance for world peace lies in the dignitarian politics of which he is an exemplar. [...]

Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-fuller/obamas-nobel-honors-his-d_b_315002.html

Oct 9, 2009 - 8:09 am 35. macko:

Reminds me of what a friend said when he received an award for some achievement or acknowledgement for some good deed.

” I thought it was something special until I saw what others had done to receive it”

I wonder how those that earned the Nobel prize feel now ?

Oct 9, 2009 - 8:11 am 36. Marina:

And what about the Nobel Prize in Mathematics? (They can create it specially for Obama, the great mathematician in spe.) He should get it right now, just for the hope that one day he maybe finally will find out how many states there are in the US.

Oct 9, 2009 - 8:11 am 37. Middleman:

22. Dave K,
I would imagine the reaction from the Pajamanistas would be similar to this German kid’s famous freakout:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTwgNhX4BSo

Only add in some firearm stroking for reassurance.

Oct 9, 2009 - 8:17 am 38. JKB:

The second Friday in October shall henceforth be known as International WTF Day.

But I’ve been thinking, isn’t his just the epitome of Obama’s approach to everything including the economy?

Reward for being with no impact by effort or accomplishment.

Spread the wealth… Nobel Peace Prize for being Not-Bush.

Oct 9, 2009 - 8:19 am 39. MikeD:

The United Nations, the Olympic selection process, and now the Nobel prize. The last time someone starred in all three rings like this they called it Ringling Bros, Barnum, & Bailey. Clowns certainly spring to mind. and the laughs just keep coming. We don’t have a president, we have a joke.

Oct 9, 2009 - 8:23 am 40. Marina:

BUSH THE ALMIGHTY

So, Obama has got the Nobel Peace Prize for nothing, and it’s because of Bush!
And when he “lost the Olympics”, it was also because of Bush.

Gosh, the guy isn’t even the President anymore, but keeps deciding world issues… So, WHO’s THE REAL WORLD LEADER NOW? Don’t mess with Georgy! He’s the DECIDER!

Oct 9, 2009 - 8:23 am 41. Sebastian Shaw:

President Obama’s speech was about the usual suspects: himself & collectivism. Mr. Suddenly Humble does not ring true since he is vain, self-absorbed ego-narcissist.

A good T-shirt could read: “I’ve been President for 2 weeks & all I got was the Nobel Peace Prize.”

If you bash America, supplicate to our enemies, & are a Statist, you too can win the Nobel Peace Prize.

Oct 9, 2009 - 8:25 am 42. Middleman:

36 Marina,
I wouldn’t knock Obama on how many states there are when the likes of Palin and other knuckle draggers who claim to be from Main Street USA go by a world map such as this:

http://www.msxnet.org/humour/world-according-to-america.png

Oct 9, 2009 - 8:27 am 43. Suzy:

So, next he wins the World Series all by himself without playing any games and pitching like a girl??????

Oct 9, 2009 - 8:38 am 44. Bloomergal:

I think it’s recognition from a longtime socialist country that the United States of American has drunk the kool aid and is leaping into full-blown socialism.

Oct 9, 2009 - 8:39 am 45. Professor Guvinoff:

This award actually reflects the prudence and the wisdom of the Nobel Committee:

I have it from a trusted source that their overarching mission is to award a Peace Price to Osama Bin Laden, because he is the luminary who made the case that the GWT label was obsolete, but they sensed that the world was not quite ready for such a prophetic lurch, so they split the difference and settled for the deer in the headlight for now, as a stepping stone across the raging river of absurdity.

Oct 9, 2009 - 8:40 am 46. Hyphenated American:

Obama’s peace prize makes sense….

As we all know, because of Obama’s clumsy actions, Israel, the staunchest US ally now solidly believes that the US president hates her and is supporting the anti-american islamo-fascists. I guess this was enough for the Nobel peace committee to celebrate Obama’s achievements.

Surely, if Obama nukes Israel, he will get all Nobel prizes in one sitting, and IOC will declare him the winner of all Olympic events now and forever. Of course, Obama is now in competition with Iran and Al Qaeda, so he better act fast.

Oct 9, 2009 - 8:45 am 47. venividivici:

“NOW THE F… CONSERVATIVES AND LIBERTARIANS WILL SHUT UP!” No way we will. We’re starting to laugh.

Definitely. Alinsky did say that ridicule is a potent weapon.

I like it, though. What the world needs now is more division and less happy-talk. This move is definitely divisive.

Lots of good stupid comments from the usual suspects, but this one stood out for its stupidity:

It was probably representative of the global sigh of relief that came after Bush left office and it became clear that the new President actually asks questions and thinks things through first before sending in the bombers and troops.

Yes, Saddam ONLY had a couple of decades to terrorize his own people and destabilize the Middle East in general. Bush really went off half-cocked there. When they finally perfect brain transplants, I feel sorry for all the rats who are going to have to have their brains removed to give you people an “upgrade”.

Oct 9, 2009 - 8:45 am 48. Jack Olson:

The Norwegians say they awarded him the prize for improving international diplomacy. That’s right, folks, the Nobel Committee gave Obama the Nobel Prize for Miss Congeniality.

Oct 9, 2009 - 8:53 am 49. Albert:

I rather like this quote from the Huffington Post. It quite nicely parries the predictable conservative talking points related to this honor conferred upon Obama

“The Republican Party has thrown in its lot with the terrorists — the Taliban and Hamas this morning — in criticizing the President for receiving the Nobel Peace prize,” wrote DNC Communications Director Brad Woodhouse. “Republicans cheered when America failed to land the Olympics and now they are criticizing the President of the United States for receiving the Nobel Peace prize — an award he did not seek but that is nonetheless an honor in which every American can take great pride — unless of course you are the Republican Party. The 2009 version of the Republican Party has no boundaries, has no shame and has proved that they will put politics above patriotism at every turn. It’s no wonder only 20 percent of Americans admit to being Republicans anymore – it’s an embarrassing label to claim.”

Oct 9, 2009 - 8:54 am 50. misanthropicus:

RE #4/BC: [...] It was probably representative of the global sigh of relief [...] that the new President actually asks questions and thinks things through first before sending in the bombers and troops. [...]

BC, since you are so appreciative of asking questions:

Notre Dame U showed last summer that there is such a thing like an “anticipative” PhD (and this ignoring Obama’s certifiable solid past of academic & otherwise fraudulence – now the Nobel Committee amplifies this ciompetitional debasing by enshrining near that fraudulence Obama’s glaring incompetence and crass cynicism (a funny thought: crass fraudulence is the only thing that is certifiable in Obama’s career.)

Fraud pays, as Obama’s Notre Dame U PhD confirmed: the Nobel Committee mentioned as one of the reasons for bestowing on this scoundrel this prize was his (10 days short!) work for nuclear disarmament – is Obama’s dual Columbia graduation thesis “North-South Relationships In The Post-Colonial Age”/ “US-Soviet Nuclear Disarmament Issues” finally available?
Have the Nobel committee read the same draft of those outstanding works that Notre Dame U wisemen read?
Can’t we have finally access to those phenomenal works? [...]

BC, you seem to be quite “au courant” with all things Obama – when we’ll have the opportunity to read the works in question?
Or should again rely on Cashill to interpret those texts?

Oct 9, 2009 - 8:57 am 51. Peter the Bubblehead:

22. Dave K. wrote:
Typical reaction from the average Pajamasmedia pundit about President Obama winning the Nobel Peace Prize:
IT MEANS NOTHING!

Peter writes: When you consider past so-called ‘Peace Prize’ winners… Yassar Arafat, Jimmah Carter and Big Al ‘Do as I say, not as I do’ Gore, then yes, this morning’s award proves the Nobel MEANS NOTHING!

Oct 9, 2009 - 8:59 am 52. Marina:

Oh, I know, I know: the Nobel Prize Committee should create the special prize for “Anti-Semitism under the mask of Peace” and give it to Obama!

Oh, sh… It already exists. It’s called “Nobel Peace Prize”. And Obama has just got it. Grrr…

Oct 9, 2009 - 9:00 am 53. David S:

It certainly is interesting to watch the conservatives twisting in the wind. This is a win for America – and again, the GOP can do nothing but bitch and moan. Keep up the good work.

Peace.

DS

Oct 9, 2009 - 9:02 am 54. billslayer:

49. Albert: How’s this for a predictable talking point? Your messiah go his start in politics turning tricks for a slumlord. Yes, he serviced that slumlord. He worked the streets for that slumlord, and it gave him a perfect entry into his new role as bootlicker for Putin.
Go tell that to the effeminate twits at the Huffpo.

Oct 9, 2009 - 9:04 am 55. biblio44:

‘Did the president inspire “hope” in a world looking for peace?’

Yep. No small feat, that. Too bad it arouses such anger in his detractors.

Oct 9, 2009 - 9:05 am 56. Thomas_L.....:

Next year, the Nobel Prize in Physics for the feat of getting his head inside a normal sized room!

Oct 9, 2009 - 9:06 am 57. venividivici:

I rather like this quote from the Huffington Post. It quite nicely parries the predictable conservative talking points related to this honor conferred upon Obama

It doesn’t “parry” anything, except in your moronic imagination. And, no I don’t feel any shame in opposing you, Obama and any other scrub you guys want to throw up (pun intended) on the world stage. You are all parasites and thieving scum, regardless of the number of prizes you award yourselves. I’d be ashamed not to oppose you.

Stick that in your “peace” pipe and smoke it.

Oct 9, 2009 - 9:07 am 58. goy:

Used to be one actually had to do something to receive an honor like this. Now it’s justified merely by virtue of cult of personality, empty rhetoric and utter lack of decisiveness. Telling.

If the “argument” *cough* is that BHO is less globally divisive (despite the fact that here in the U.S. he is the most divisive figure in our history) then Americans as a nation should have received the prize, since they were the ones stupid enough to do the actual work of electing him.

Oct 9, 2009 - 9:10 am 59. Francis W. Porretto:

Not that the Nobel Peace Prize is at all relevant…

The working definition of peace among diplomats since the Treaties of Westphalia has always been a state of tension falling short of armed conflict. I consider that definition notable in that it recognizes world realities. The world is filled with subgroups of Mankind that hate one another and would do one another harm if not deterred or otherwise restrained. It takes effort, vigilance, and sometimes the application of large-scale organized violence to get and keep that realistic sort of peace.

The Obamunist vision of peace — the one Obama’s trying to sell, which doesn’t necessarily represent his inner convictions — is a happy-talk fantasy in which we all hold hands, sing Kumbaya off-key through our noses, and buy each other Cokes until the lavatories overflow. That’s a state of affairs that has never existed in all of recorded history. So long as cupidity and envy exist among us, it never will. But if it were to exist, it would mean that the entire human race had been transformed into something utterly alien to Man of today. What individual could reasonably claim credit for it?

The sort of peace-achievement that’s worth celebrating always comes at a harsh cost in blood and treasure. In other words, celebrate as a hero of peace him who brings a war to a successful conclusion: a Marshal Foch, a General Eisenhower, or a General MacArthur. Yet even these men must allow that their achievements were ideas only; they had to be effectuated by “rough men standing ready to do violence on their behalf.”

No, no Peace Prize nonsense for me…no matter who the recipient is.

Oct 9, 2009 - 9:12 am 60. JFM:

Aprtil’s fool. There cannot be another explanation. “Joke day” in Spain is on Deccember 28th, in Norway it must be on October 9th.

Oct 9, 2009 - 9:12 am 61. misanthropicus:

RE #49/Albert: [...] quote from the Huffington Post. It quite nicely parries the predictable conservative talking points related to this honor [...] “The Republican Party has thrown in its lot with the terrorists — the Taliban and Hamas this morning — in criticizing the President for receiving the Nobel Peace prize,” wrote DNC Communications Director Brad Woodhouse. [...]

Albert, in Nazi Germany the Reichsbahn was a travelling according to the schedules, and that fact simply cannot be credited to the nazis.
Now regarding the piece of widom you quoted: two mutual enemies (Republicans & Talibans) can very well have common low or critical views about a third party (Obama), the causes behind those views being quite different:
The Taliban criticise Obama for reasons I don’t need to mention -
The Republicans and conservative have a merciless (and fully justified so) view of Obama based on their evaluation of his past abject career, undistinguished present, and very likely hystrionic future – Nobel Prize & liberal peaeans notwithstanding.

Feel free to use this comparison in further analyses of yours -

Oct 9, 2009 - 9:13 am 62. Thomas_L.....:

Now we see that laughing at lefties is interpreted as anger. Pure comedy gold here, I tell you. Too bad Letterman has no cojones or he could ride this one for months.

Oct 9, 2009 - 9:13 am 63. Scott:

Of course the Leftists are celebrating that BO got awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. It fits right in with their entitlement ideology, they don’t believe in earning anything just taking it from others who have.

Oct 9, 2009 - 9:17 am 64. Dave K.:

Yeah, and I bet those Nobel Prize grapes tasted sour as well!

Support our President and our troops!
You are either with us or against us!

Oct 9, 2009 - 9:19 am 65. venividivici:

the GOP can do nothing but bitch and moan.

Please. The Left bitched and moaned that Bush had done nothing to deserve being President (a position I’m not completely unsympathetic to) and one could EASILY make a case that Obama’s level of “deserving” this prize is even less than Bush’s of “deserving” the Presidency.

What I do love about it, though, is that it further highlights in the minds of people who don’t have their heads in the clouds, the complete detachment of the Left from the reality of actual accomplishments versus rhetoric and potential accomplishments. This is a good thing, as it helps “heighten the contradictions”.

Oct 9, 2009 - 9:20 am 66. All Hail King Obama:

As a Conservative, I haven’t stopped laughing since the announcement. Everyone should read the overseas papers on this. It’s a collective “WTF?” moment around the world.

Anyone else see the Nobel Prize committee steering Obama around? He was nominated 12 days into his Presidency. How pathetic is that?

“We are the world. We are Obama’s children….” Come on now liberals, sing along. You know the words.

Oct 9, 2009 - 9:28 am 67. Marina:

“HOLD ON A SECOND, I CAN’T HERE MYSELF” or “OBAMA WITHOUT A TELEPROMPTER”

The guy is a genious:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWy2XzDrz30

One of the greatest achievements in the world of drama. Now, how can we award THIS?

I know! Nobel Prize in Literature!

Oct 9, 2009 - 9:29 am 68. venividivici:

‘Did the president inspire “hope” in a world looking for peace?’

Yep. No small feat, that. Too bad it arouses such anger in his detractors.

It’s not anger. As I have already said, I am GLAD he got this because it is just one more stage in the tearing off of the mask that the Left has worn to try to fit in to Western society for the past century. It doesn’t necessarily mean that Western society will be able to defeat the Leftist virus, but at least it removes one more component of the “big lie” that you are anything other than what I said about, parasites and thieving scum.

Oct 9, 2009 - 9:32 am 69. Dave K.:

THIS MEANS NOTHING!!!!!!
NOTHING, I TELLSYA!!!

Your tears, GOPsters, your tears are the gift that keeps on giving.

Oct 9, 2009 - 9:35 am 70. Byron Dickens:

How? He didn’t even get Bill Ayers to make a Power Point for him.

Oct 9, 2009 - 9:38 am 71. billslayer:

Important note; and I would recommend other conservatives consider this as well. We are Patriots. You do not get to question our Patriotism. Those are fighting words. Liberals/Metrosexuals/Etc may well get to talk trash here in the physical safety of an online Forum, but the DNC Communications Director Brad Woodhouse has crossed the line.
“The Republican Party has thrown in its lot with the terrorists — the Taliban and Hamas this morning — in criticizing the President for receiving the Nobel Peace prize,”
I’m sorry, but guys like that don’t get to say things like that to guys like me in person and expect to get away with it.

Oct 9, 2009 - 9:38 am 72. raba rab:

obama’s nobel prize just cofirms that your little group of radicals is irrelevant. you just sit in around in one big circle jerk while the rest of the modern world moves on. including the vast majority of the people in the united states.

Oct 9, 2009 - 9:40 am 73. Dave K.:

America loses the Olympic Games nomination and Republicans cheer.
America’s President wins the Nobel Peace Prize and Republicans boo.

Republicans hate America and its President and Commander-In-Chief.

Oct 9, 2009 - 9:41 am 74. Dave K.:

Hey, billslayer.
I’ll be more than happy to say that to your face.
Email me at david.kistenmacher@gmail.com and I’ll fly over wherever you are (within the continental US) and say “You have thrown in your lot with the terrorists — the Taliban and Hamas this morning — in criticizing the President for receiving the Nobel Peace prize” to your face.

Oct 9, 2009 - 9:43 am 75. donttreadonme:

Hey, Dave K., right on, man! (64). Err, now we just have to wait a few more weeks (months?) for BO to decide whether to do so or not…tick..tock..tick..tock
Oh, hells, gotta run, I was just informed that I won the Pulitzer Prize! Gotta love these progressive standards!

Oct 9, 2009 - 9:46 am 76. I.S. Igorant:

Will Tookie be next, posthumously of course?

Oct 9, 2009 - 9:49 am 77. Brian King:

The first thing that came to my mind when I read this;

“If I woke up tomorrow with my head sewn to the carpet, I wouldn’t be more surprised than I am now.”

Thank you Christmas Vacation for giving me the words I need to express myself properly.

Oct 9, 2009 - 9:51 am 78. Harvard Yard Conservative:

“Après moi le déluge”

Oct 9, 2009 - 9:53 am 79. donttreadonme:

Dave K, is it Ok if I call you “Robert Gibbs?” Great, “Bob,” this prize does means everything – it is the Rosetta Stone of solving our problems – our credit crisis should abate; the terrorists should throw down their arms; jobs should be growing at a 250k/month clip; our debt should shrink exponentially, and the plot to “heterosexualize” our nation’s children should be abruptly thwarted…preach on brother “Bob!!!!” I’ve got your back.

Oct 9, 2009 - 9:53 am 80. Eowyn:

69. Dave K — “Your tears, GOPsters, your tears are the gift that keeps on giving.”

First off, I’m conservative, but NOT Republican. And I’m far from the only one.

Secondly, those “tears” — in my case, anyway — are tears of laughter. You just can’t make up anything better than this absurdity. (Except awarding the Prize to al-Gore for phony science.)

@ 13. rachel peepers — lock and load.

Oct 9, 2009 - 10:10 am 81. Marina:

I bet the Committee members got dead fish in the post before the decision.

I bet each fish was wrapped in the New York Times.

Oct 9, 2009 - 10:14 am 82. All Hail King Obama:

Does this mean Obama might actually have to accomplish something? Funniest part is how SNL lambasted Obama for doing NOTHING so far and then this. I, for one, cannot wait to see how they make fun of the Nobel Prize announcement! Will they hand him the Stanley Cupo to? The Heisman? Give him the continent of Africa? Too much comedy gold for a short segment!

C’mon liberals, why not really show your mettle and have him appointed President for life? You’ve got the votes remember? LOL!

Oct 9, 2009 - 10:22 am 83. Praetorian:

Conservatives are anything but patriots when they side with terrorists over an award Americans (real ones, that is) should be proud of. Conservatives will put politics above patriotism at every turn. Should they be surprised that only 20% of Americans identify themselves as Republicans? What an embarrassment this lot is for our great nation. Conservatives and terrorists are cut from the same cloth. They both hate America.

Oct 9, 2009 - 10:26 am 84. thomas_L......:

David K. David S. Can we hear from a David who hasn’t gone the Minnie Mouse route. F***in’ Goofy?

Oct 9, 2009 - 10:32 am 85. venividivici:

74

You do realize that you are now signed up for about a billion porn sites, right?

I mean a billion in addition to the ones you’re already on.

Soon, you won’t need to fly anywhere. The battle will be right in the streets where you live. So, a little advice. Save your airfare and stock up on bullets.

Oct 9, 2009 - 10:32 am 86. Ytzik:

that Swedish Academy are still under the obasm.
Now the 0 won the F*-prize and… I only have to say: WTF!!!!!

Oct 9, 2009 - 10:33 am 87. venividivici:

83. Praetorian:

They both hate America.

No, but I hate you and those who think like you. I consider it part of being a good person. Every day, I hate you more, too.

Oct 9, 2009 - 10:35 am 88. Thomas_L.....:

But Praetorian! Dissent is the highest form of patriotism! Remember?

Oct 9, 2009 - 10:36 am 89. Aureliano:

The Milli Vanillification of the Nobel continues …

Oct 9, 2009 - 10:39 am 90. Eowyn:

89. Aureliano, good one!

A commenter on Tim Blair’s blog had another good one:

“A prize about nothing, given to someone who has done nothing. In fact, it should be called the Seinfeld Prize.”

Oct 9, 2009 - 10:47 am 91. billslayer:

74. Dave K.:With pleasure.

Oct 9, 2009 - 10:49 am 92. Praetorian:

Sorry Thomas_L but only in your warped teabagging mind would ridiculing an honor Americans should be proud of be synonymous with dissent. You guy’s like it when America fails. That’s the only time you feel relevant. Conservative mindset: politics first, hard working American families and country last.

Oct 9, 2009 - 10:50 am 93. Mike:

Obama winning this prize makes perfect sense

1. He has trashed America
2. He has supported Islam
3. He has turned America’s fiancial independence over to the EU and the IMF
4. He has supported Arafat’s legacy and tried to play hardball with Israel.

Given where this award comes from and who awards it, it makes perfect sense that Obama has won it.

Oct 9, 2009 - 10:50 am 94. Praetorian:

venividivici wrote: “No, but I hate you and those who think like you. I consider it part of being a good person. Every day, I hate you more, too.”

You sound like a little school girl who just got her pigtails dipped in ink! Wah! Wah! Wah! Crybaby conservatives messing in their diaper! LOL!

Oh, bye the way. The feeling is mutual. I especially hate those who hate America.

Oct 9, 2009 - 10:54 am 95. jharp:

venividivici:

“Soon, you won’t need to fly anywhere. The battle will be right in the streets where you live. So, a little advice. Save your airfare and stock up on bullets.”

VVV,

You need to chill out. I sense a lot of anger. You only lost an election, er two elections. You had your chance with W and the republican Congress and monumentally failed. Thus you and your ilk are relegated to the sidelines as observers whose opinion doesn’t matter.

There is not going to any stinking battles in the streets and the first one of you lunatics who tries to start one will find his ass in jail faster than you can President Obama, Nobel Peace Prize winner.

Oct 9, 2009 - 10:56 am 96. Poor Citizen:

No: 32 anotn,

I never said he deserved it. I just said that alot of folks in here counted him out even just after he took the oath of office. Conservatives (like liberals) often underestimate the opposition, at their peril. If you look at his election numbers, they are quite impressive, even with demographics that were not expected. Those numbers do not bode well if he succeeds, and so far when conservatives tried to block hispanics and females from holding high positions could come back to hurt and hurt them badly. Smart money is taking notes. My opinion? Obama is right, he still must earn it.

And I just want to see no: 71 billslayer take up no. 74, david k’s offer. Now that would be interesting. Good Luck.

Oct 9, 2009 - 10:57 am 97. billslayer:

74. Dave K: You are aware that your messiah got his start servicing a slumlord? He must have been a truly memorable performer because he got a lot of money for his great oratorial skills. He went up and down, back and forth, he made his sugar daddy happy. Now step up to the mic and do likewise because god knows youve swallowed so much of that stuff that its now coming out of your mouth.

Oct 9, 2009 - 11:01 am 98. venividivici:

Save your airfare and stock up on bullets.

Speaking of which, I wonder if the Leftist trolls are going to be crowing as much at the end of the year when the gun industry names Obama “Salesman of the Year”. “Peace through superior firepower”, indeed.

Oct 9, 2009 - 11:01 am 99. Praetorian:

Conservatives still have hope if very bad things happen to the USA.

In their mind they can still gain power if things get worse in this country or, possibly, if there’s a major attack on the US with lots of death and destruction. This is why they always badmouth things like Obama (really America) getting the Nobel Prize. This is why they cozy up with terrorists like Hamas and the Taliban in ridiculing American accomplishments and prestige.

Fortunately, so far the GOP has only rallied those fringe elements whose hatred of “liberals” in general and President Obama specifically is more powerful than their own self interest.

It must really suck to be someone who hopes, and even plans, to benefit from such things. Sick people.

Oct 9, 2009 - 11:04 am 100. jharp:

venividivici:

“Speaking of which, I wonder if the Leftist trolls are going to be crowing as much at the end of the year when the gun industry names Obama “Salesman of the Year”.

What’s wrong with that? Doofus. I think it’s a beautiful thing watching the ignorant teabagging white trash paying through the nose for their guns and ammo.

I plan on making a few deals myself. And then buying them back for 50 cents on the dollar when they realize how flipping stupid the whole “obama’s gonna take your guns away” is recognized as nothing but a bunch of ignorant racists whining over an election loss. Er two election loses.

Oct 9, 2009 - 11:11 am 101. Thomas_L.....:

Ah Praetorian. I see how we play this game. I’m rubber, you’re glue. Bounces off me, sticks to you. You may dissemble but some of us are not Orwellian twits and remember quite well when your side was all for dissent. Besides, I’m Canadian and can’t see how this award makes the world safer or makes it any easier to stop insane mohammedans from killing me or you. In fact it might make it much harder. No pressure now, Barry. Go bring us world peace!

Oct 9, 2009 - 11:11 am 102. daveinga:

this is a surreal honor for the u.s. and our next mattel action figure.

according to reports it was down to two candidates. some guy named
w. coyote and our own b.o. this coyote guy supposedly had some
serious ‘hope’ too. he got smashed up in some sort of accident though.

wonder how much of our tax $$$ was promised this time? affirmative
action springs eternal. i needed a good laugh. this will keep me smilin for weeks. that’s just good comedy.

Oct 9, 2009 - 11:11 am 103. praetorian:

Jharp wrote: “You need to chill out. I sense a lot of anger. You only lost an election, er two elections. You had your chance with W and the republican Congress and monumentally failed. Thus you and your ilk are relegated to the sidelines as observers whose opinion doesn’t matter.”

I’d add to that: It’s supposed to taste like a sh!t taco!

But your right his comments (venividivici) border on mental imbalance. If there ever was an argument for keeping open Guantanamo it would be him. There should be special islands for those who hate America.

Oct 9, 2009 - 11:15 am 104. Eowyn:

95. jharp — “You need to chill out. I sense a lot of anger.”

Totally justified, IMO. From TARP on down to politically awarded “peace” prizes.

“You only lost an election, er two elections.”

Huh?

“You had your chance with W and the republican Congress and monumentally failed.”

I, for one, did NOT vote for either Bush, Gore, Kerry, Obama or McCain, having written in my own choice each election. And last I checked, the voting numbers were nearly evenly split, indicating a large segment of the population disagrees with the other. However, I’ll award partial points on this one.

“Thus you and your ilk are relegated to the sidelines as observers whose opinion doesn’t matter.”

Tell that to the legions of confused, worried, and, yes, angry Americans showing up at town hall meetings and rallies.

“There is not going to [sic] any stinking battles in the streets”

Wouldn’t be too sure about that.

“… and the first one of you lunatics who tries to start one will find his ass in jail faster than you can [sic] President Obama, Nobel Peace Prize winner.”

YOU lunatics should have done a better job at repealing the 2nd Amendment. Us lunatics won’t start any battles, but we’ll damn sure win them.

Oct 9, 2009 - 11:20 am 105. carla:

There was Jimmy the Smiling Eunuch, and then,
there was Algore, the fatuous and pompous flim flam man, and now, under new management may I present, tah dah,………………the man who wasn’t there, lighter then air, and able to leap over all problems in a single burst of rhetoric, Barak ‘Empty suit’ Obama.

Aaarghhh, puke.

Oct 9, 2009 - 11:21 am 106. Moogie:

#83 Praetorian: You don’t know me, so I might forgive you for your uninformed and inaccurate description of my ilk. That being said, you are a sad parrot. You hear what is reported, accept it at face value, use other’s opinions as your own, and disdain investigating who conservatives are and what they want. You apparently have no shame in throwing insults at people you don’t even know.

I’ll tell you, in the simplest words I can think of, what most conservatives (not to be confused with the current Republican party): we want all of the communists and socialists who don’t like our Constitution to go away. Go live someplace where socialism and/or communism are already firmly established and leave us alone.

We want the government to stop taking what belongs to us and giving it to others who haven’t done anything to earn it. We want the government to stop growing, spending, and legislating us into a perpetual and non-recoverable cycle of debt.

We want liberals and leftists to stop calling us names – we want them to grow up and realize that the world we live in is not Utopia. It never will be – Utopia (like peace) cannot be legislated. You can’t “hope” a perfect and peaceful world into being.

Oct 9, 2009 - 11:22 am 107. misanthropicus:

RE #99/Praetorian: [...] Conservatives still have hope if very bad things happen to the USA. [...]

Pretty, here you (involuntarily) got it – a very bad thing happened to America (that is Obama) yet conservatives still have hope -

Oct 9, 2009 - 11:27 am 108. venividivici:

Oh, bye the way. The feeling is mutual. I especially hate those who hate America.

Then you must really, really like me and hate yourself.

I can do this all day.

Oct 9, 2009 - 11:27 am 109. Marina:

And we want a special Nobel Prize for Glamour, for Michelle!!!
Qapla!

Oct 9, 2009 - 11:28 am 110. misanthropicus:

RE #99/ Praetorian [...] This is why they cozy up with terrorists like Hamas and the Taliban in ridiculing American accomplishments and prestige. [...]

Obama’s feats are accomplishments?
Notre Dame U showed last summer that there is such a thing like an “anticipative” PhD (and this ignoring Obama’s certifiable solid past of academic & otherwise fraudulence – now the Nobel Committee amplifies this ciompetitional debasing by enshrining near that fraudulence Obama’s glaring incompetence and crass cynicism (a funny thought: crass fraudulence is the only thing that is certifiable in Obama’s career.)

Fraud pays, as Obama’s Notre Dame U PhD confirmed: the Nobel Committee mentioned as one of the reasons for bestowing on this scoundrel this prize was his (10 days short!) work for nuclear disarmament – is Obama’s dual Columbia graduation thesis “North-South Relationships In The Post-Colonial Age”/ “US-Soviet Nuclear Disarmament Issues” finally available?
Have the Nobel committee read the same draft of those outstanding works that Notre Dame U wisemen read?
Can’t we have finally access to those phenomenal works?

Praetorian, explain these accomplishments -

Oct 9, 2009 - 11:30 am 111. venividivici:

99

This is why they cozy up with terrorists like Hamas and the Taliban in ridiculing American accomplishments and prestige.

While such rhetoric plays with your fact-challenged colleagues, can you please remind us who advocates conceding territory to the Taliban and who gave Hamas nearly $1 billion in “aid”, a.k.a. “Jew-killin’ money”?

Oct 9, 2009 - 11:30 am 112. BC:

To misanthropicus: Perhaps you should expand where you get your info to other, less dumbassy sources

Actually this Nobel prize may have been a result of something akin to that old joke about the a man would kept hitting himself with a hammer because it felt so good when he stopped. So if you take the USA as that guy and Bush having been that hammer….

Oct 9, 2009 - 11:31 am 113. Gerry:

And so it begins——–:

Venezuelan Foreign Minister Nicolás Maduro said on Friday that the award of the Nobel Peace Prize to US President Barack Obama was a “surprise.” Maduro urged Obama to show his commitment to peace by ruling out the deployment of US military bases in Colombia.

Surprise, surprise.

Oct 9, 2009 - 11:31 am 114. arthur:

the prize goes out for promoting peace, which based on the rather mixed history of the prize one can say that Obama did well enough promoting peace one supposes to win the prize. the fact that it raises the dander of so many on the right again shows us the idiotic position of the right today, which is simply to oppose anything and everything to do with Obama and the democrats no matter what the alternative is and no matter the consequences on the country (see the health care reform and the economy)

Oct 9, 2009 - 11:32 am 115. venividivici:

It must really suck to be someone who hopes, and even plans, to benefit from such things. Sick people.

2003 called. It wants it’s well-timed critique of Leftists hoping for a defeat in Iraq back.

Try to keep up, P-man.

Oct 9, 2009 - 11:33 am 116. Praetorian:

Moogie wrote: “I’ll tell you, in the simplest words I can think of, what most conservatives (not to be confused with the current Republican party): we want all of the communists and socialists who don’t like our Constitution to go away. Go live someplace where socialism and/or communism are already firmly established and leave us alone.”

I’d take you at your word if it weren’t such an absolute joke!

I have to wonder how many of you “down with Socialism,” “Obama is a Socialist,” types etc., etc. are simultaneously sucking away at programs like Social Security, MediCare, Veterans benefits, all programs built on a socialist model? Maybe you should give it up to show us all how serious you are about what you write on a sign or blabber on about on a blog while wearing your bunny slippers.

Show us that you despise government handouts and Socialism. Put your money where your mouth is. Have some real guts. Make a bonfire out of your Social Security checks. No ? Hmmm…..didn’t think so. Now go fill your Medicare prescriptions. But no socialized medicine, right?

You people wipe you a$$ with our Constitution on a daily basis. You are anything but a patriot.

Oct 9, 2009 - 11:34 am 117. jharp:

Eowyn:

“Thus you and your ilk are relegated to the sidelines as observers whose opinion doesn’t matter.”

Tell that to the legions of confused, worried, and, yes, angry Americans showing up at town hall meetings and rallies.
____________________________________________________________

If they aren’t aware by now they are a lost cause. The teabaggers failed. Epically failed. Obama Care and the rest of the progressive causes are gaining momentum. Gaining. A bunch of ignorant rednecks using shout downs to influence policy has to be one of the most idiotic strategies ever foisted on us. American’s might be stupid but they aren’t that stupid.

I think the turning point was the “keep your government hands off my Medicare” lines.

Oct 9, 2009 - 11:35 am 118. Mike Sheard:

Ummm, I think they meant the Nobel Appeasement Prize!

Oct 9, 2009 - 11:36 am 119. venividivici:

I plan on making a few deals myself. And then buying them back for 50 cents on the dollar when they realize how flipping stupid the whole “obama’s gonna take your guns away” is recognized as nothing but a bunch of ignorant racists whining over an election loss.

Yeah, jharp, you do that. Since your “real” business is a dog, you need to supplement that income somehow. Maybe if you do make some money doing that, your wife will finally know what it’s like to be with a real man.

Oct 9, 2009 - 11:38 am 120. venividivici:

If there ever was an argument for keeping open Guantanamo it would be him.

I urge you to try. We all gotta go somehow.

Oct 9, 2009 - 11:39 am 121. Dave K.:

Dear billslayer,
still haven’t received an email from you on where to meet so I can call you an American-hating traitor and terrorist sympathizer to your face.

You have more in common with a “Gallus gallus domesticus” than you might think.

Oct 9, 2009 - 11:39 am 122. Praetorian:

Actually my comment “This is why they cozy up with terrorists like Hamas and the Taliban in ridiculing American accomplishments and prestige.” is perhaps mis-worded.

It should have read “This is why they enjoy spooning with Hamas and the Taliban in ridiculing American accomplishments and prestige.”

On a separate note, you guys totally walked into this one. Just one more, America loses, conservatives cheer to cement the “conservatives hate America” meme.

Oct 9, 2009 - 11:41 am 123. venividivici:

But your right his comments (venividivici) border on mental imbalance.

I would go further and say there is no doubt in my mind that according to your standards, I am mentally imbalanced. Now, ask me how much I care about your standards.

Oct 9, 2009 - 11:42 am 124. Marina:

@ Moogie, 106
(”We want all of the communists and socialists who don’t like our Constitution to go away. Go live someplace where socialism and/or communism are already firmly established and leave us alone”.)

Unfortunately for the rest of us, they cannot do it. It’s against Marxism. Karl Marx said that Communism cannot win in a single, separate country.

Tah-dah! Guess why!

Because the life in the neighbouring non-communist countries will be so much better, that the people will try to run there from the “paradise”. So, in order to win, marxism has to CONQUER THE WORLD. And you cannot do it without conquering America. When America fails (= becomes marxist), people will have nowhere to run. That’s why they cannot “leave us alone”, America is the key. The ultimate battlefield of the ideas: real justice against s.c. “social justice” (= feeding the parasites).

Oct 9, 2009 - 11:48 am 125. Ytzik:

This is the way the Nobel committee will lead America’s effort in Afghanista… directly to defeat. Be aware!

Oct 9, 2009 - 11:48 am 126. Sherab Zangpo:

All this is too funny !

I officially ask to the Catholic Church to begin the process of beatification and to get soon to proclaim Barack…Saint Hussein, protector of all the muslimarxists.

Thank you for the opportunity to laugh, lefties.

Thank you for the opportunity to comment.

Oct 9, 2009 - 11:50 am 127. Banned by Huffpo:

Nobel Committee to Obama:

“Here you go, Barry . . . just reminder so you keep sucking up to the world’s dictators.”

Oct 9, 2009 - 11:52 am 128. Praetorian:

I wrote; “If there ever was an argument for keeping open Guantanamo it would be him.”

venividivici wrote: “I urge you to try. We all gotta go somehow.”

All we have to do is outnumber you at the voting booth. You can sit at home clinging to your gun. LOL!

Oct 9, 2009 - 11:53 am 129. thomas_L.....:

Why am I bothering to debate someone who thinks this is a good “handle”?

Main Entry: praetorian
Part of Speech: adjective
Definition: corrupt
Synonyms: abandoned, abased, baneful, boorish, degenerate, degraded, deleterious, depraved, dishonored, dissolute, evil, flagitious, infamous, loose, low, mercenary, miscreant, monstrous*, nefarious, perverse, profligate, rotten, venal, villainous

Oct 9, 2009 - 11:54 am 130. raba raba:

all of your righ wing radicals (billslayer etc.) if you dont love america leave it! see how you are treated in other countries. you are a radical minority that would not be tolerated in almost any other country.

Oct 9, 2009 - 11:58 am 131. Moogie:

Praetorian: Once again, you are making assumptions about who I am. I don’t receive welfare, food stamps, Medicaid, Medicare, social security, or any of the myriad “entitlements” our government offers.

Remember who pays for those entitlements. If I do end up on the dole, I will have already contributed to it myself. My complaint is against those who have never contributed a thing, yet feel no shame at taking what they haven’t earned – what has been forcefully taken from the worker, by the government, to give to someone else. On the street, they call this “robbery.” But when it’s legislated, they call it “fairness.” Bullshit.

Social Security is a program I am forced to participate in. Given the option, not one dime of my money would go into it. But you see, the government doesn’t give us that option. Now, all of the money I have “contributed” over the years has been siphoned off to pay for other “entitlement programs” – leaving Social Security in a very weak position. Chances are, there will be no retirement in there for me when I do finally retire. Yes, Social Security IS a socialized program. And I have never once supported it.

The VA exists because our veterans have put their lives on the line to protect our freedom. My daughter is, indeed, receiving VA benefits since her medical retirement from the Navy. She earned it through hard work and sacrifice. Is it a socialized program? No – it’s a program that the veteran contributes to when he/she voluntarily joins the military.

If all you have to offer in way of dialog is continued insults and derogatory terminology (”teabaggers, wiping my ass with the Constitution and spooning?” WTF), you should quit now, because you aren’t accomplishing anything, other than to show your complete and utter lack of understanding of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

And stop saying I hate America. If I hated it, I wouldn’t be fighting so hard to save it from dipshits like you.

Oct 9, 2009 - 12:00 pm 132. Czar of Defenestration:

NOBEL:

It’s how you say ACORN in Swedish!

Oct 9, 2009 - 12:01 pm 133. Sherab Zangpo:

I think that there should be an extraordinary meeting of the Security Council of the UN and Barack shoul urgently be proclaimed Obama the First, King of the Planet Earth and Emperor of the Milky Way.

No, seriously, read the posts of the trolls….

This day is too amusing, I love it !

Thank you for the opportunity to bow to the EmperorKing.

Oct 9, 2009 - 12:02 pm 134. Praetorian:

thomas_L when used as a noun, as in Praetorian Guard, it means something entirely different. Good try.

Oct 9, 2009 - 12:02 pm 135. Sherab Zangpo:

I am laughing too hard, I forgot the D of should…

Oct 9, 2009 - 12:02 pm 136. Moogie:

Marina: very true, but it’s still something I wish … dare I say: HOPE for.

Oct 9, 2009 - 12:04 pm 137. Sherab Zangpo:

#130

all of your righ wing radicals (billslayer etc.) if you dont love america leave it! see how you are treated in other countries. you are a radical minority that would not be tolerated in almost any other country.

RIGHT ! REEDUCATION CAMPS FOR THE SORDID DISSENT !
NOW !
WHERE IS STALIN WHEN YOU NEED HIM ?
Oh, we have one !

Thank you fro the opportunity to troll the trolls.

Oct 9, 2009 - 12:05 pm 138. Scott:

Have some real guts. Make a bonfire out of your Social Security checks. No ? Hmmm…..didn’t think so. Now go fill your Medicare prescriptions.

What utter BS, when people work, pay into, and earn those things promised them by SS and Medicare so how is that taking advantage of the government system? You pay for something you should receive what you payed for, most of us won’t see that as both Medicare and SS go bankrupt. Conservatives may not have wanted or liked SS and Medicare but since we’re forced (basically robbed at gun point) to pay into it we should at least get something back out of it.

Oct 9, 2009 - 12:05 pm 139. Sherab Zangpo:

I am rolling on the floor.
I figured the IGNOBEL prize committee chanting

Barack Hussein Obama MMMMHHH MMMHHH MMMHH

Thank you world ! This is the most ridiculous day in centuries.

Oct 9, 2009 - 12:07 pm 140. Eowyn:

117. jharp — “The teabaggers failed.”

Please try and avoid vulgar ad hominem attacks.

“Obama Care and the rest of the progressive causes are gaining momentum.”

If “Obama Care” succeeds at all, it has to do so with the consent of constituents.

“A bunch of ignorant rednecks using shout downs to influence policy has to be one of the most idiotic strategies ever foisted on us. American’s [sic] might be stupid but they aren’t that stupid.”

Again with the ad hominem attacks! I met a substantial number of professionals (medical and legal), along with small- and medium-sized business owners, at the local Tea Party I attended. These are hardly “ignorant rednecks.” These are AMERICANS, worried that vast debt is being incurred with no transparency whatsoever, and that decisions are being made about important life issues without their consent.

And town hall attendance isn’t a “strategy.” It’s an American right. Nothing was “foisted” on anyone, and there are no sinister GOP hands behind the scenes pulling strings. In fact, most conservatives I know are alarmed at the very idea that party hacks might try and co-opt legitimate anger for their own agenda.

Oh, and by the way, there was a group of Democratic women at that Tea Party I attended, as well. They had voted for Hillary Clinton, and felt betrayed, as many of us do irrespective of “party” ideology, by Obama. One lady told me that even though her candidate (Hillary) lost, she was more than willing to support the president — until he scared her to death with TARP.

So enough with the tarring with too broad a brush.

Oct 9, 2009 - 12:10 pm 141. venividivici:

All we have to do is outnumber you at the voting booth.

It’s funny that you think it’s a stable situation when 52% of the people try to continually tell 48% of the people what they can and can’t do, say, think, strive for, etc., just because a piece of paper (no matter how noble in intent the piece of paper was at its origins).

Has it ever, in that pea-brain of yours, occurred to you that this situation is unstable? Seriously, your party is the party of urban p*ssies like the guy in Amsterdam who said of the rising tide of violence against gays like himself, “I don’t know how to fight for freedom. I only know how to enjoy it”. You don’t know how to fight for the right to dominate in the ways you know you want to dominate (and it is domination, as you well know, it is not simply “agreeing to disagree”), you only know how to enjoy it when it is handed to you via the Constitutional processes that, up until now, have formed the consensus for governance in this country. As a student of history, I can assure you that these Constitutional processes are the exception, not the norm. If you and your kind keep on pushing, don’t figure on them lasting much longer, if you’re a betting man.

The 48% who oppose you make up the bulk of those who would actually know how to fight, not to dominate, but to avoid domination.

The government already takes more than it gives to a large and growing proportion of the population. Once those numbers reach a tipping point, all “ballot box” process bets are off. Different people will reach that threshold at different times, but when they do reach it, no amount of “shut up, he explained” rhetoric is going to stop them from acting on it.

History is not ambiguous in this respect.

Oct 9, 2009 - 12:11 pm 142. Peter the Bubblehead:

73. Dave K. wrote:
America loses the Olympic Games nomination and Republicans cheer.
America’s President wins the Nobel Peace Prize and Republicans boo.

Peter asks: And can you please tell me just how many ‘Republicans’ are overseas? You know, the ones that have been sayting “WTF?”

Oct 9, 2009 - 12:12 pm 143. venividivici:

I have to wonder how many of you “down with Socialism,” “Obama is a Socialist,” types etc., etc. are simultaneously sucking away at programs like Social Security, MediCare, Veterans benefits, all programs built on a socialist model?

Are you even capable of discerning between “what is” and “what should be” according to one’s political goals? I don’t see you giving up your internet access, which, despite the government’s early role in development, is probably provided by a private company. Or not eating food brought to market by capitalist farmers, transportation companies and supermarkets.

Take your charges up hypocrisy and stick them where your head is, up your *ss.

Oct 9, 2009 - 12:14 pm 144. venividivici:

if you dont love america leave it!

I’d rather kick you out of it.

Oct 9, 2009 - 12:15 pm 145. Delia:

Aww. Give the dude a break. At least 0bama will have something shiny to stare at and show off to the other patients on his ward while he’s babbling to himself in the sanitarium.

“Bde Bda bbbb, uuuuh, uuuhm…Hhhope anddd Chaaange…bbbb uuuuh. King of the WORLD!”

Oops. Better up his meds.

Oct 9, 2009 - 12:16 pm 146. Peter the Bubblehead:

83. Praetorian wrote:
Conservatives are anything but patriots when they side with terrorists over an award Americans (real ones, that is) should be proud of.

Peter asks: Can you please explain how I am siding with terrorists (the same ones I risked my life to fight against, which is probably more than you can honestly say) just because I look at todays news and ask “For WHAT? He hasn’t DONE anything?”

When they start awarding ‘Peace Prizes’ to people who have, by some contribution of their own, actually progressed peace somewhere in the world, maybe I’ll actually believe it is a prize worth being awarded.

~Peter
Proud OIF Vet

Oct 9, 2009 - 12:17 pm 147. Peter the Bubblehead:

92. Praetorian wrote:
Sorry Thomas_L but only in your warped teabagging mind would ridiculing an honor Americans should be proud of be synonymous with dissent.

Peter asks: You mean the same award given to such great peacemakers as… Yasser Arafat? (Terrorist) …Al Gore? (Hypocrite) …Jimmy Carter? (Anti-Semite)

Yeah, a real honor there.

Real patriots fight terrorists. ‘Progressives’ give them awards.
~Peter
Proud OIF Vet

Oct 9, 2009 - 12:20 pm 148. Fred Beloit:

I posted this at Dan Riehl’s today. Thought it might fit in well here too:

“Now we know why Mr. Obama was dragging his feet about Afghanistan and not making a key decision to aid or remove our troops from there. He had obviously heard he was in the running for the prize. How could the Committee have given him a peace prize right after he had ordered a “surge” in Afghanistan? He would have ruined his chances right then. But now, how can he order a surge when he has just received a prize for peace…from the Vikings of all people?”

Posted by: Fred Beloit | Friday, October 09, 2009 at 03:03 PM

Oct 9, 2009 - 12:20 pm 149. jharp:

venividivici:

I plan on making a few deals myself. And then buying them back for 50 cents on the dollar when they realize how flipping stupid the whole “obama’s gonna take your guns away” is recognized as nothing but a bunch of ignorant racists whining over an election loss.

Yeah, jharp, you do that.
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I will. You wouldn’t believe what the idiots around here are paying for guns. And ammo too. I have never seen anything like it. I have stuff that’s been laying around for 20 years. Never dreamed I’d be able to sell it for the prices today.

And you thought Obama would be bad for business. Wrong again.

Oct 9, 2009 - 12:22 pm 150. rivert:

The Nobel committee has done a big disservice to Mr Obama. The world is now laughing at him.

Oct 9, 2009 - 12:25 pm 151. Cichawoda:

I think the DNC has summarized the situation very well:
“The Republican Party has thrown in its lot with the terrorists — the Taliban and Hamas this morning — in criticizing the President for receiving the Nobel Peace prize,” wrote DNC Communications Director Brad Woodhouse. “Republicans cheered when America failed to land the Olympics and now they are criticizing the President of the United States for receiving the Nobel Peace prize — an award he did not seek but that is nonetheless an honor in which every American can take great pride — unless of course you are the Republican Party. The 2009 version of the Republican Party has no boundaries, has no shame and has proved that they will put politics above patriotism at every turn. It’s no wonder only 20 percent of Americans admit to being Republicans anymore – it’s an embarrassing label to claim.”

Oct 9, 2009 - 12:25 pm 152. judy nyc:

what a flatulent bag of wind he is, and stinks just as bad as his cult followers. this nobel is emptied of all meaning now. just as is everything else this miscreant touches.

Oct 9, 2009 - 12:49 pm 153. billslayer:

130. raba raba:Just wanted to remind you that your messiah got his start in politics in front of a slumlord on his knees. Now I understand that to you, a man servicing another man is the highest form of honor. But to non metrosexuals, this isn’t ok.
As per 74. Dave K.: You’ll get your email when I’m out from behind this firewall. Now, in the meantime I recommend consulting you therapist about your issues associated with your need to fly around the country and service men in bathrooms.

Oct 9, 2009 - 12:50 pm 154. Radio Pyongyang:

124 Marina,
Sounds like you better round up Charlie Sheen, C Thomas Howell, and the ghost of Patrick Swayze and head for the mountains to carry on the fight.

Oct 9, 2009 - 12:53 pm 155. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: Heh

I’m reminded of the way the Imperial Roman Senate would heap unwarranted accolades and honors upon their Emperor.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. Obama appears, more and more, to be on the verge of fulfilling some ancient prophecies I recall reading…..

Oct 9, 2009 - 12:58 pm 156. Thomas_L.....:

Praytell? Still looking for a comeback? I know you believe you’re smarter than anyone who is not a liberal and it’s shattering to you lefties to meet someone who’s smarter than you or at least knows how to use a dictionary but … we’re waiting. Perhaps you meant Preteen?

And raba – Come back when the grown ups are gone. Maybe you and Preteen can have a little show and tell. Wink wink nudge nudge. Know what I mean? Say no more.

Oct 9, 2009 - 12:58 pm 157. Praetorian:

Why do conservatives hate America? We have soldiers out their risking their lives every day for our freedom and the conservatives root against our nation and our President. It was astonishing to see the rejoicing that took place when America lost its bid to host the Olympic games to Rio (congratulations Rio, nonetheless)

If you are an American why wouldn’t you be proud that your President was selected for this prestigious award?

If not, only one word comes to mind…unAmerican. Maybe another unpatriotic.

If conservatives hate America so much they should just leave! They can go cozy up with join Hamas and the Taliban! They are really no better than a terrorist organization! They are the enemy within.

Oct 9, 2009 - 12:59 pm 158. a dood:

jharp is icky.

Oct 9, 2009 - 1:03 pm 159. Sebastian Shaw:

Raba, Raba, what’s a righ wing radical? Most Americans are conservative & the USA is a center Right country. The radicals are mostly on the Left. Just read about Obama’s mysterious czars in his Shadow Government.

Oct 9, 2009 - 1:10 pm 160. Praetorian:

Veni #141

Until what you see in your crystal ball come to fruition, you’ll have to continue munching on that sh!t taco.

Oct 9, 2009 - 1:21 pm 161. Thomas_L.....:

Preteen – Since I doubt very much that you are actually a member of the Praetorian Guard, the meaning for your handle has got to be found in its synonyms. Nice try indeed. Now that we’ve established that you’re not being that smart, are you being nefarious, perverse, profligate, rotten, venal, or merely villainous?

Oct 9, 2009 - 1:21 pm 162. Mike Sheard:

Nobel: the merchant of death

Obama: the merchant of dearth

Oct 9, 2009 - 1:24 pm 163. venividivici:

If you are an American why wouldn’t you be proud that your President was selected for this prestigious award?

Because the act of awarding it to someone who hasn’t accomplished enough to deserve it cheapens the prestige and makes America look like it need special consideration to win awards. What part of the words “objective standards” don’t you understand?

Oct 9, 2009 - 1:30 pm 164. Praetorian:

Moogie wrote: “The VA exists because our veterans have put their lives on the line to protect our freedom. My daughter is, indeed, receiving VA benefits since her medical retirement from the Navy. She earned it through hard work and sacrifice. Is it a socialized program? No – it’s a program that the veteran contributes to when he/she voluntarily joins the military.”

We thank your daughter for her service. However, the VA being a centrally administered government program is indeed based on a socialist model. I would look that up if I were you. Veterans do contribute but most (especially injured ones) will end up using more resources than they ever put in. This is really a wonderful thing that a program like the VA can offer the peace of mind that care will be provided regardless of cost when needed. That’s the beauty of it! Soon all hard working American families will have the same peace of mind that your daughter has when health care reform is in place.

Oct 9, 2009 - 1:31 pm 165. seanmahair:

Why do CONSERVATIVES hate America? I don’t see conservatives out there apologizing for America. I don’t hear them saying they’ve never been proud of their country. I don’t see them making movies that slam our values, ideals, system of government or economy. I don’t see them bowing to other leaders and refusing to honor commitments to our allies. No those are all Obama and Co. actions. So please go back to civics class and try again. Maybe Coach has gotten some new magazines, the picture might be better now.

BTW
The only tears in the eyes of conservatives are the ones that go along with the ROTFLOL. Obama is what one gets when you put 10 lbs of manure in a 5 lb. sack, he is the sticky gum on the sole of one’s shoe, he is the slime on the glass of one’s aquarium.

GOP, Libertarians, Independents unite! We have nothing to fear except laughing ourselves hoarse. Nobel Peace Prize…………..what a waste of space. Let’s talk about something really interesting. I hear the O’vomit administration has started a war with the moon. Way to go guys….it’s a win, win, win.

Oct 9, 2009 - 1:32 pm 166. jharp:

venividivici:

I have stuff that’s been laying around for 20 years. Never dreamed I’d be able to sell it for the prices today

Good. I hope you end up being like the capitalist in Lenin’s saying about selling the rope with which he gets hung, you sh*tstain.
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Let it go, VVV. The death wishes only paint you as a deranged moron.

Loser.

Oct 9, 2009 - 1:43 pm 167. Sherab Zangpo:

I have the explanation !

The link is

Nobel- dynamite – Bill Ayers – Obama

It makes sense !

Oct 9, 2009 - 1:43 pm 168. jharp:

Praetorian wrote:

“However, the VA being a centrally administered government program is indeed based on a socialist model. I would look that up if I were you.”

These fools don’t even know what socialized medicine is. They think Obama Care is and the VA isn’t.

And how are we to penetrate such ignorance? I think it’s a lost cause. Thank God we’re only dealing with 20% of Americans.

“Soon all hard working American families will have the same peace of mind that your daughter has when health care reform is in place.”

Yes, we will. Except possibly a few states in Redneckistan who choose the opt out option. And I can’t wait to see that play out. It looks like maybe that could happen. My money is none of them opt out. None.

Oct 9, 2009 - 1:50 pm 169. Dave K.:

Billslayer, still not seeing an email from you.
Oh,well.

A post written by billslayer, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

Oct 9, 2009 - 1:51 pm 170. misanthropicus:

RE #99 and farther/ Praetorian [...] This is why they cozy up with terrorists like Hamas and the Taliban in ridiculing American accomplishments and prestige. [...]

Pretty, you still didn’t dare to answer my question regarding Soetoro’s accomplishments.
Why don’t you give it a try –

Obama’s feats are accomplishments?
Notre Dame U showed last summer that there is such a thing like an “anticipative” PhD (and this ignoring Obama’s certifiable solid past of academic & otherwise fraudulence – now the Nobel Committee amplifies this ciompetitional debasing by enshrining near that fraudulence Obama’s glaring incompetence and crass cynicism (a funny thought: crass fraudulence is the only thing that is certifiable in Obama’s career.)

Fraud pays, as Obama’s Notre Dame U PhD confirmed: the Nobel Committee mentioned as one of the reasons for bestowing on this scoundrel this prize was his (10 days short!) work for nuclear disarmament – is Obama’s dual Columbia graduation thesis “North-South Relationships In The Post-Colonial Age”/ “US-Soviet Nuclear Disarmament Issues” finally available?
Have the Nobel committee read the same draft of those outstanding works that Notre Dame U wisemen read?
Can’t we have finally access to those phenomenal works?

Praetorian, explain these accomplishments -

Oct 9, 2009 - 1:51 pm 171. Praetorian:

venividivici wrote: “Because the act of awarding it to someone who hasn’t accomplished enough to deserve it cheapens the prestige and makes America look like it need special consideration to win awards. What part of the words “objective standards” don’t you understand?”

For most people, especially in the international community, that he isn’t Bush is enough. Moreover, I suspect at the end of eight years we (with the exception of the I hate America crowd) will look back and conclude he more than deserved the award.

Oct 9, 2009 - 1:54 pm 172. venividivici:

Until what you see in your crystal ball come to fruition, you’ll have to continue munching on that sh!t taco.

That’s OK, because when I sh*t out the sh*t taco, that’ll be what you’re going to eat in 2010 and beyond. “Cenabis male, mi Praetorie, apud me”.

Oct 9, 2009 - 1:58 pm 173. Praetorian:

Rush Limbaugh, in his own words, giving aid and comfort to those who would hut America and our values: “Something has happened here that we all agree with the Taliban and Iran about and that is he doesn’t deserve the award.”

You see, conservatives like cozying up with Hamas and the Taliban when they think it serves their political ends. They think it’s just politics. Sounds more like sedition and treason to me. Country first my a$$.

Oct 9, 2009 - 2:01 pm 174. misanthropicus:

RE #134/ Praetorian: [...] when used as a noun, as in Praetorian Guard, it means something entirely different. [...]

Preatty, at a certain time, yes, Praetorian meant someting entirely different of what you think they were – yet later the praetorians reached the reputations of the Mameluks, hardly something to mention without a good laughter. Visit museums in Cairo and Tunis for viewing some indeed remarkable Mameluk (i.e. Praetorian) butt-plugs – both size and ornamentation wise.
By the way, am I talking to Kevin Jennings?

Oct 9, 2009 - 2:02 pm 175. CBPhila:

I now hereby nominate myself for the Most-Important-Person-In-The-World award. I think I should win.

Oct 9, 2009 - 2:07 pm 176. Thomas_L......:

To be awarded for delighting America’s enemies and European leftists is a dubious honor indeed.

Oct 9, 2009 - 2:24 pm 177. Bri:

Me thinbks the Norwegian folks are trying to meddle in US politics rather than give a prize to one that deserves it.
If there is a prize for doing nothing for 8 months, Obama deserves it. Wasting a trillion dollars on saving little fish while the unemployment goes up 3%, give it to Obama. Hanging out with seemingly every black racist in the USA, give it to Obama. Hiring marxists into power positions in the government. Give it to Obama. But not the Peace Prize.

I think he won the little known Nobel Piece Prize or maybe the little known Noble Peace Prize.

Oct 9, 2009 - 2:35 pm 178. Banned by Huffpo:

Driving to work this morning listening to National Palestine Radio, Steve “I’m so cool” Inskeep announced with a sort of stunned glee that Dear Leader had been awarded the Nobel Prize for Peace.

I actually started laughing so hard I had to pull over.

I mean come on, if you were writing a novel, could you make it any more absurd?

“Never again will you be capable of ordinary human feeling. Everything will be dead inside you. Never again will you be capable of love, or friendship, or joy of living, or laughter, or curiosity, or courage, or integrity. You will be hollow. We shall squeeze you empty and then we shall fill you with ourselves.”

–Obamabot creed

Oct 9, 2009 - 2:36 pm 179. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: Praetorian

Why do conservatives hate America? — Praetorian

We’re talk’n SERIOUS ‘projection’ with THIS one.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. I wonder what Praetorian has done for US. Anything like 27 years in the US infantry?

Oct 9, 2009 - 2:36 pm 180. jharp:

venividivici:

“The 48% who oppose you make up the bulk of those who would actually know how to fight, not to dominate, but to avoid domination.”

Nonsense. And there ain’t gonna be any fight anyways, moron.

“The government already takes more than it gives to a large and growing proportion of the population.”

Yes, it takes a larger chunk of taxes from the blue states and gives it to the red, welfare states.

Kind of ironic to hear the red state whiners whine about being forced to take all the blue state handouts.

Oct 9, 2009 - 2:36 pm 181. Ed Wallis:

P L E A S E …

ADD YOUR VOTE FOR BARACK OBAMA!

http://promo.espn.go.com/espn/contests/theheismanvote/2009/

Oct 9, 2009 - 2:36 pm 182. Marina:

A great link from the Nobel PEACE Prize Database:

HITLER WAS NOMINATED !!!!! In 1939 !!!!! FOR PEACE !!!!!

http://nobelprize.org/nomination/peace/nomination.php?action=show&showid=2609

Yeah, Obama, he brought the Olympics to Germany, but hadn’t got the Nobel Prize. You’ve showed him, Mr. President! Now it’s a draw again between you two. Not that this would be a surprise. What is the date of the next invasion again?

Oct 9, 2009 - 2:45 pm 183. Ding:

The Noble Peace Prize means nothing. It’s the left hand washing the left hand. It’s the sound of one (left) hand clapping. No balance, narrow gage, and silly.

If you’ve only got a left hand, you pick your nose with . . . wait for it . . . your left hand. So the lefties in Norway went deep and picked our Booger-in-Chief for this prestigious award. Big Deal. Like we all don’t know who’s who and what’s what.

Oct 9, 2009 - 2:47 pm 184. venividivici:

Sounds more like sedition and treason to me.

So go arrest him for sedition and treason, jackhole. While you’re at it, how about arresting Pelosi and the others who accompanied her to Syria on her visit, which was in all likelihood in contravention to the Logan Act? Or the dozens of other Dem politicians who’ve done the same? Those are acts of sedition and treason far beyond anything a radio talk show host says.

You’re a hypocritical piece of trash.

Oct 9, 2009 - 2:47 pm 185. Moogie:

Praetorian: Except that she was released in January and is still waiting for her benefits to kick in.

Some system.

I do know what a socialist system is, you blabbling moron. It’s the system that every citizen the world over has desperately tried to LEAVE. I’ve never read such nonsense in my life as these blithering idiots who still think, despite absolute PROOF of it’s complete and utter failure, that socialism is peachy. Morons. Take your bullshit and try peddling it to the millions who have escaped that crap. They’ll laugh in your face to hear such ignorant, naive, uneducated rants.

Oct 9, 2009 - 3:13 pm 186. adam:

The Left has, as they say in TVland, jumped the shark. I agree with venividivici–this is excellent news. The Left is moving on ahead with their construction of an alternative reality, which must crash. It’s the only way forward at this point, to push the transnationalist progressive fantasies to their limits; meanwhile everyone who wishes to preserve freedom can now realize that we can’t count on any of the “mainstream” institutions (which doesn’t mean we should ignore them, or cease trying to influence them). The Left will find it very hard to socialize over a hundred million very recalcitrant citizens, whether it comes to health care or anything else. A lot of us will give a lot of thought to how to make it infinitely harder.

I have just been informed that I have been awarded the Pulitzer Prize for this comment.

Oct 9, 2009 - 3:13 pm 187. homero:

yess …like in russia you never wanted to be the first one to stop clapping after the mention of Uncle Stalin’s name.

Oct 9, 2009 - 3:30 pm 188. misanthropicus:

Re #187/homero: [...] like in russia you never wanted to be the first one to stop clapping after the mention of Uncle Stalin’s name. [...]

Bingo! I remember this mentioned by Soljenytzyn in “The Goulag Archipelago”.

Oct 9, 2009 - 3:41 pm 189. billslayer:

169. Dave K.:I already said I’ll send it to you later. Talking trash like a bitch will not make it appear faster. But I’ll leave you with this visual for now: your messiah…warming up on that slumlords scepter before his second act polishing Putins boots with his tongue. You like that?

Oct 9, 2009 - 3:47 pm 190. raba raba:

billslayer #153,

you say obama serviced a slum lord? are are you saying he worked as/for a “capitalist’s” business? you guys kill me. you are always complaining that liberals never argue the facts, but you spend all of your time name calling (libatards, trolls etc.), and makiing delusional claims. what a bunch of hippocrits.

sebastian $159

the country has never been as far right as you guys are. in the 60s 70s and 80s you would have been considered a lunatic fringe like the john birch society or tailgunner joe mccarthy. real conservatives like rockefeller, dirskin and goldwater would have had nothing to do with you and your ideas. even if the country is moderately conservative, the vast majority of americans are not hippocritcal evangical christians or anarchist who believe society should be every man for himself and screw everyone else. dont forget that it was the nixon administration that started the SSI program and proposed, or at least considered, a guarnteed mimimum from the government for every american. you guys may call yourself conservatives, but you are not in any sense of the word. you are radical extremist who hide behind a facad and spew hate and ignorance.

if you dont love america and our constitution, then leave. go back to “radical land” or someplace.

Oct 9, 2009 - 3:53 pm 191. WellEducatedCad:

Today I scraped the small Norwegian flag off of my bumper, while trying not to gag. Is it April Fools Day? WTF did he do to deserve it? Honor us with the incredible holiness of his existance ? I know people who honestly believe that he is truely the AntiChrist and I have uncomfortably laughed them off- now I am truely beginning to wonder. Maybe not the AntiChrist, but very likely the next Hitler or Stalin. Children singing to him, newspapers endlessly extolling his virtues, Prizes lauded upon him for no other reason than that he exists. I say we start a petition to “Give it Back- you didn’t earn it!” My first complaint will be to the government of Norway, who have shamelessly denigrated this award to the level of crap.

Oct 9, 2009 - 3:54 pm 192. gracie:

NObody!! can defend Obama’s peace prize. He was nominated “12 days” into office…12 DAYS!!!!.. The fix was in, period.

A sad day for the world in general. Obama knew he was receiving this or he would not have shunned the Generals. It’s such a blatant sham, and pathetic.

It is a especially sad day for America. It will entrench Obama’s skin color voting audience.
Just another lump on the pathetic pile of recipients. This whole process is a mockery to common sense.

Oct 9, 2009 - 4:05 pm 193. misanthropicus:

Nemesis as Oly Taiz -

Curious occurence though – the Nobel prize announcement came in the same very day when the lawsuit regarding Obama’s (i)legitimacy in the US District Court (Central Calif./ santa Ana) went ahead over another hurdle:

“Barnett v. Obama: Judge Confirms Hearing Dates – Judge Carter ordered the remainder dates for this case to be finalized, per the Civil Minutes, below:” (see WND and The Right Side Of Life).

Mister Hanson had a couple days ago an interesting piece about Hubris and Nemesis – I am sure that if we could channel the ancient Greek historians and drama writers they would say so.

And the funny side of this, otherwise very serious matter – do we live in that a wacky age that Nemesis has descended here from heavens for business in guise of… Orly Taiz? (Bless her soul!) Or Berg? I mean, Obama doesn’t get no respect not even amongst the Mount Olympus crew?

For Vivo, Praetorian, Biblio, BC – you sure can come with some mighty interpretations for this form of (Olympic – heh! pun not-intended) disrespect for Obama –

Give it a shot, guys -

Oct 9, 2009 - 4:08 pm 194. Marina:

Somebody, please, help me find the video where the guy from the Committee announces that Obama has won (in Norwegian, I think) and the people boo. My YouTube refuses to cooperate. Thanks in advance

Oct 9, 2009 - 4:12 pm 195. Sebastian Shaw:

Freaky Friday:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amqRotvHZLI&feature=related

Oct 9, 2009 - 4:27 pm 196. Rashputin:

I’m glad he got it. It’ll make his fantasy life all that much more real for him and hasten his now rapidly approaching mental breakdown. Hiding his medical records prior to being elected is one thing, but what’ll they do this time? Say he’s taking three months off to pick a pet cat?

Regards

Oct 9, 2009 - 4:39 pm 197. Praetorian:

misanthropicus wrote: “Preatty, at a certain time, yes, Praetorian meant someting entirely different of what you think they were – yet later the praetorians reached the reputations of the Mameluks, hardly something to mention without a good laughter. Visit museums in Cairo and Tunis for viewing some indeed remarkable Mameluk (i.e. Praetorian) butt-plugs – both size and ornamentation wise.”

What is it with you guys and your anal fixation? Rushie is always talking about grabbing his ankles and anal this and anal that. Is there some sort of repressed desires going on here? Weird.

Oct 9, 2009 - 4:40 pm 198. adam:

Can Obama be impeached for taking bribes from foreign entities?–since the prize isn’t for anything he has done, it must be for what transnationalists leftists hope he will do. If his future actions match those hopes, perhaps a changed Congress, more Republican, more disgusted with Obama, will look into it in 2011.

Either way, this will decrease Obama’s stature among Americans–both because of his complicity in this transparent foreign interference in our foreign policy, and because of the obvious absurdity of it all. We should find humorous ways to respond to it whenever possible.

Oct 9, 2009 - 4:45 pm 199. Praetorian:

In the meantime the elves are working diligently behind the scene, getting health care reform ready to pass out of committee and ironing out the differences for conference (which will be a mere formality). You guys are being played like a fiddle. LOL!

Oct 9, 2009 - 4:48 pm 200. robotech master:

To 121. Dave K.

Dear Dave K.

You are very very brave… well not really. Would you extend your offer to coming to a place such as just over the border of the US… I know a lovely place just over the mexican border from el paso named Juarez. Its a nice small quiet town where 2 ppl can get together and discuss they’re different opinions on matters in a civilized way without those annoying things like US police officers or US law getting in the way….

Oct 9, 2009 - 5:03 pm 201. Donna V.:

Reposted from the Roger Kimball tread:

Wingnut Ruth Marcus at that right-wing rag the Washington Post:

” This is ridiculous — embarrassing, even. I admire President Obama. I like President Obama. I voted for President Obama. But the peace prize? This is supposed to be for doing, not being — and it’s no disrespect to the president to suggest he hasn’t done much yet. Certainly not enough to justify the peace prize.

“Extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples?” “[C]aptured the world’s attention and given its people hope for a better future?” Please. This turns the award into something like pee-wee soccer: everybody wins for trying.

Scroll down the list of peace prize winners. Jimmy Carter won in 2002 “for his decades [emphasis added] of untiring effort to find peaceful solutions to international conflicts.” Last year’s winner, Martti Ahtisaari, was cited “for his important efforts, on several continents and over more than three decades [emphasis added], to resolve international conflicts.”

Obama gets the award for, what, a good nine months? Or maybe a good two weeks — the nominations were due Feb. 1. The other two sitting presidents who won the prize –Woodrow Wilson in 1919 for founding the League of Nations, Theodore Roosevelt in 1906 for negotiating an end to the Russo-Japanese War — were in their second terms.

I imagine that Obama, when they woke him up this morning to deliver the news, grasped the bizarreness of it all.”

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2009/10/a_nobel_for_a_good_two_weeks.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

Well, Ruth, I rather doubt that. Obama thinks Jesus should be serving him breakfast in bed.

But she’s on to something with the pee-wee soccer comparison. Our resident trolls, I suspect, are very young, which explains both their ignorance, their poor grasp of history, and their boundless sense of entitlement. They belong to the “self-esteem” generation, the generation which got stars just for showing up and breathing, which makes them conceited about their very limited intellectual abilities. So they see absolutely nothing wrong with giving an award to a president who has done nothing but talk.

Older libs – and those with slightly higher IQ’s than PJM trolls – see the ridiculousness of it.

Oct 9, 2009 - 5:13 pm 202. adam:

Yes, that health care bill is going to work out very well for Democrats. We may have to think about organizing civil disobedience with patients, doctors and hospitals, though, just in case they get enough Democrats to fall on their swords.

Oct 9, 2009 - 5:23 pm 203. Praetorian:

Moogie wrote: “Praetorian: Except that she was released in January and is still waiting for her benefits to kick in.

Some system.

I do know what a socialist system is, you blabbling moron. It’s the system that every citizen the world over has desperately tried to LEAVE. I’ve never read such nonsense in my life as these blithering idiots who still think, despite absolute PROOF of it’s complete and utter failure, that socialism is peachy. Morons. Take your bullshit and try peddling it to the millions who have escaped that crap. They’ll laugh in your face to hear such ignorant, naive, uneducated rants.”

Well, we can thank the lord that your daughter isn’t captive of the private health insurance crime syndicate. If that were the case they would just wait her out hoping she would drop dead so that she isn’t a burden to the shareholders and their ability to take spa vacations. But don’t take my word for it, consider the words of veteran Rick Tanner, an American who loves his government-run health care.

After serving in Vietnam and spending three decades in the U.S. Navy, Tanner retired in 1991 with a bad knee and high blood pressure. He enrolled in the Veterans Health Administration and now benefits from comprehensive treatment with few co-payments and an electronic records system more advanced than almost anywhere at private hospitals.

“The care is superb,” said Tanner, 66, a San Diego resident who visits the veterans medical center in La Jolla, California, and a clinic in nearby Mission Valley. The record- keeping, he said, is “state of the art.”
….

Researchers publishing in the New England Journal of Medicine, the British Medical Journal and the Annals of Internal Medicine in recent years have endorsed the system. A Canadian policy journal, Healthcare Papers, devoted an entire issue to it in 2005.

“The VHA’s experiences have become a model around the world,” the editor-in-chief of Healthcare Papers, Peggy Leatt, wrote at the time.

The government is both payer and provider of care to the veterans, employing 19,000 salaried doctors in 153 medical centers and more than 900 outpatient clinics. Last year, 5.1 million veterans were treated, and millions more are enrolled.

“I really get annoyed every time I hear these talking heads talking about ‘the government can’t run anything,’” said John Rowan, 64, president of the Vietnam Veterans of America, who visits a New York clinic for complications from contact with the chemical Agent Orange. “Most veterans would give it a fairly good rating.”

You people cut off your nose to spite your face. Too bad for your daughter that she has a father that would actually work against her interests. Pathetic. We certainly need to put our veterans first. the first step in doing so is educating ignorant fathers because most veterans love their socialized medicine but don’t take my word for it you bumbling old fool.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=aLIc5ABThjBk

Oct 9, 2009 - 5:27 pm 204. Allende:

Here come de Prez,
Here come de Prez,
The Prez he’s a-comin’
Fo his Prize…

Oct 9, 2009 - 5:43 pm 205. Marina:

(194. Marina:
Somebody, please, help me find the video where the guy from the Committee announces that Obama has won (in Norwegian, I think) and the people boo. My YouTube refuses to cooperate. Thanks in advance)

Found

Oct 9, 2009 - 5:52 pm 206. Donna V.:

It’s a “sh*t taco” for the Dems – as even CBS has figured out. CBS is worried that conservatives will use this as a weapon. Oh, yes, we will. It’s a beauty.

Ace summed it up well:

“The DNC says anyone who’s laughing at Obama “sides with the Taliban.”

They seem to have forgotten that the White House just declared the Taliban a non-enemy and furthermore said the Taliban should share in governing.

So they’re saying we should share in government? I think they’ll get that wish.

This is the problem that the Nobel committee has tossed into Captain Wonderful’s lap.

Real unemployment is at 17%, he tripled the deficit to $1.4 trillion, we’re looking at possibly two generations (40 years!) of economic malaise and endless debt, Iran’s about to get the bomb, he continues to dither on Afghanistan, a war he swore he’d win, he’s a hyperpartisan archliberal (at best), he can’t get his own party to vote for his leftwing healthcare plan, his primary community-organizer supporters moonlight as child-sex-trade enablers, etc.

Obama does not want voters thinking very hard about The Question — this one, whether voters support him, or even think he’s competent at all — at this time. He would very much like them to delay thinking about this question until he gets a little bit of good news.

This ridiculous, laughable non-achievement not earned by Obama forces the public to start answering The Question at the nadir – so fa-ar! — of his young, failed presidency.

And he didn’t need that.

His ego wanted the prize and overwhelmed what little sense he had. Had he thought this through, he would have realized he did not want people asking The Question “Does this guy know what the hell he’s doing?” now.”

Oct 9, 2009 - 5:59 pm 207. Praetorian:

Hey moogie it looks like vets are not on your side. How horrible would it be to have a father who would put political gamesmanship above the health of his own daughter? You are a disgrace. Your daughter should be ashamed to even have you at her side.

Jon SoltzCo-Founder of VoteVets.org, served as a Captain in Operation Iraqi Freedom
Posted: August 20, 2009 11:15 AM
Hey, Don’t Save Me From Government Health Care!

The whole health care debate has been completely confusing to me and a lot of the veterans and troops I talk with every day. See, for us, most of us got free, government-run health care.

First, troops in the Active Duty component and their families get TRICARE, the largest component in the military health care system, which allows them to go to military hospitals and doctors, as needed, and reimburses them for medical costs at private doctors, if they have to go there. For all intents and purposes, it’s a mix of the British system (government provided health care) and the Canadian system (a single-payer government run system). The system is so good that virtually every veterans advocacy group has backed extending it fully to the National Guard and Reserve, since they are being deployed now more than ever.

Basically, it’s a force readiness issue — giving this kind of care to troops — and why support for extending it to the Guard and Reserve is so strong. With all the added pressures from wars and increasing natural disasters, it’s essential that all our service members are given preventative care, to ensure they’re ready when we need them. We’re simply a stronger nation when our troops are kept healthy.

For many, there’s also the Department of Veterans Affairs. This is almost exactly like the British system of care. The government builds the hospitals and clinics. The government pays doctors, nurses, administrators, and others a salary. For those with service-connected injuries and disabilities sustained in war, the VA is invaluable. So much so, in fact, that every veterans group has tried to expand eligibility for VA care.

Finally, there’s also what’s called TRICARE For Life; basically the opportunity for many veterans to reenter the TRICARE system later on. And after you reach the Federal retirement age, that old government-run TRICARE will supplement your government-run Medicare, so you have little or no out-of-pocket expense.

So what’s the point here?

Even at the worst of times, when the Bush administration underfunded the VA by billions, leading to backlogs and some real horror stories, the Veterans Health Administration, which administers care, consistently hovered at 80 percent approval among its patients, higher than those in the private system. With the funding improvements in the budget and new construction of hospitals and clinics through the stimulus program, those numbers will absolutely go higher.

TRICARE has been rated the insurance plan with the highest customer satisfaction — better than any private plan for six years running!

Those on the Right keep harping on how they’re looking to “save” the American people from the horrors and evils of government-run insurance and care. Well, troops and veterans don’t want to be saved! In fact, when completely fabricated and false rumors started spreading that health reform would mean troops and veterans being tossed back into the private system, the major Veteran Service Organizations freaked out and wrote a letter to Congress demanding that they NOT be thrown back to for-profit care.

A final point: If government-run insurance and care is so evil and so horrible, then why do conservatives keep supporting leaving America’s troops and veterans in that kind of system? Do conservatives hold America’s warriors in such low standing that they’d subject us to a “Nazi” system, us Rush Limbaugh has called it?

You can’t have it both ways. Either TRICARE and the VA are superior systems, worthy of our sacrifice, and thus a government-managed health system can be great. Or, they’re terrible, scary, and Communist-Nazi schemes that have to be eliminated, leaving troops and veterans to find their own care for their lost limbs, brain injuries, and other wounds.

America’s veterans and troops would say the former. It’s why for years they have fought to expand the government programs, not kill them. That’s why we find it so confusing that conservatives want to bar the doors and keep those Americans who want to be in a public system from even having that choice.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-soltz/hey-dont-save-me-from-gov_b_264098.html?view=print

Oct 9, 2009 - 6:05 pm 208. Now and Then:

Hey, I heard that Obama when he fit heard about this said, “Thank you, Joseph Stalin for guiding me, thank you Adolf Hitler for inspiring me, thank you Pol Pot for your awesome killing techniques, thank you bi Laden for killing so many Americans that we didn’t chase you. Is this a great country or what?”

No, it’s true. I just heard it on Glen Beck. Can you believe the nerve of that guy!

Oct 9, 2009 - 6:34 pm 209. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: Praetorian, Reprised

Apparently, this ‘character’, Praetorian, has decided to demure from discussion of what HE/SHE/IT has done for US in his/her/its time on this ball-o-dirt.

Not surprising. I suspected they hadn’t done anything ’significant’ in their pitifall life-span.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[You haven't lived, until you've almost died. -- Truism from the US Army exprience.]

Oct 9, 2009 - 6:48 pm 210. Chuck Pelto:

P.S. Maybe that goes far in explaining their choice of noms des blogs. Something to do with shishful thimk’n. Or so I suspect…..

Oct 9, 2009 - 6:52 pm 211. TriGeek:

I deal with college kids all day long, and this generation has been raised with the lefty belief that everybody gets a trophy. Whether you win every game or lose every game, you “deserve” a trophy. So I guess Obama “deserved” his medal for just showing up. This is how the lefties work. You don’t want to hurt his fragile psyche.

Oct 9, 2009 - 7:32 pm 212. jharp:

207. Praetorian:

“TRICARE has been rated the insurance plan with the highest customer satisfaction — better than any private plan for six years running!”

And I have a very good wingnut friend, a golfing buddy, who is on TRICARE.

And of course he is adamantly against the public option. It’s something I really wrestle with. He’s a good friend and a good man. Yet hopelessly ignorant.

Oct 9, 2009 - 7:33 pm 213. Delia:

Donna V.,

*SNAPS*!

Again, you’re my friggin’ HERO! WHOOT!

I love it when you give some good smackdown to the you-know-whoodles of you-know-whoodle-ville (under the bridge).

Oct 9, 2009 - 8:10 pm 214. Exactly!:

Hurry, Nemesis, hurry !!

Oct 9, 2009 - 8:14 pm 215. robotech master:

To 207. Praetorian

You know nothing about TRICARE… I refuse to use it and have had nothing but problem with it. The military system of medical is barely equal to the civilian side. If I want on sick call and I draw anyone less then a Major in rank I just left to come back another day because most ppl under that rank were complete idiots. Many US soldiers do they’re own medic work to include some minor surgeries.

Oct 9, 2009 - 8:27 pm 216. Judy, NYC:

upon further thinking it occurs to me that since we are living in bizzarro world, let’s also award him the heavyweight champion of the world belt. he will like wearing the belt as it has stuff sewn into it that looks like jewels. axelrod can knit him a matching cap.

Oct 9, 2009 - 8:35 pm 217. Donna V.:

Delia: It’s not like it’s hard. You notice: at first the trolls were crowing and proclaiming victory. Then they got asked what bambi actually did to deserve it. Well, damned if they know, so let’s talk about Tricare (a program every vet I’ve ever known has cursed.) They say this means “the world respects Obama.” I post links showing that even Dems with half a brain think this award is undeserved and that it may backfire on bambi. Well, they have nothing to say about that either.

As even the NY Times and Time magazine know, this award is no victory for bambi. Only stupidos who are so hopelessly in luvvvv with The One they can’t see or think straight think it’s a blessing.

I will wield this stick with great enjoyment.

Oh, and let’s award bambi the Heismann trophy too! And the Miss America crown! How about an Emmy, an Oscar, and a Grammy? Chess championship of the world!

The jokes write themselves.

Oct 9, 2009 - 9:31 pm 218. BC:

Has it ever occurred to you Sherlocks that if the corporate media (aka the MSM) was even half as bad as you claim it to be, there would be a good chance that you wouldn’t know what Obama was or wasn’t doing behind the scenes? A failing news media means uninformed people and ignorant commentary. And don’t forget that a bunch of people a whole lot smarter and more more accomplished than you heavily supported Obama in 2008. Whether you will ever admit to it or not, Obama was laughably the better candidate in 2008, and it’s looking to be the same situation in 2012.

Oct 9, 2009 - 10:40 pm 219. Moogie:

Praetorian: What does my daughter’s father have to do with anything? FYI: He’s a former coastie, now a cop for the past 27 years. We’ve had our share of government run this and that. Yes, we are a government employed family. And no: we still don’t want the government anywhere near our bodies.

Is our private insurance perfect? No. Neither is our local grocery store, but I still wouldn’t want the government running it.

We can all pull various stories of VA successes and failures from our asses all night, if necessary. Likewise, we could all pull private insurance successes and failures as well.

None of it will do a thing to change the fact that it is not the government’s job to run health care. Or banks. Or car companies. Or the energy industry. It is not their job to tell us what to do – it’s our job to tell them.

And now that you’ve sidelined the topic at hand (did Obama deserve the Nobel?), I’ll add this: yes, he deserved the Nobel. Why? Because it is a meaningless award given by dipshits to other dipshits. Since he’s a member in good standing in the International Dipshits Society, I’d say he definitely deserved the award.

Oct 9, 2009 - 11:45 pm 220. JL:

As a conservative it’s perplexing, when something like this happens. How can a person win a peace price without having accomplished anything? Then it hits me again. Liberals don’t care about results. It’s the good intentions that counts. How could I forget it? That’s why Obama can get an award despite not having any results under his belt. I have to remind myself that having good intentions is, for a liberal, a result in it self. Going out and saying “give peace a chance” counts as an actual accomplishment.

Sometimes I have wondered how liberals can stand living in their dysfunctional communities. Then I remind myself, that it’s the intention that’s important. Raising taxes on the rich to give to the poor is the “good intention”. The fact that raising taxes creates unemployment and slows the economy – Well that’s no problem. Those are just results and thus can be ignored. It’s the original good intention that counts.

Alas the less you know as a liberal the better. The less you know about any cause and effect relationship, the easier it is to have good intentions without having to worry about those “annoying” realities inflicting on your positive self image.

Our job as conservatives is to be the grown ups. Our job is to go out and take those necessary concrete actions that actually produces real results in the real world. And we will do it despite the fact that liberals will hate us for it. We’l do it despite the fact that the liberals in a their normal state of complete ignorant bliss will be reaping the benefits of our actions.

Oct 10, 2009 - 2:04 am 221. Ytzik:

the people booing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b10NGEUGM_s

Oct 10, 2009 - 2:58 am 222. vivo:

Congratulations, President Obama!

Oct 10, 2009 - 3:06 am 223. Khiri:

You guy’s like it when America fails. That’s the only time you feel relevant. Conservative mindset: politics first, hard working American families and country last.

When I read crap like this, it cements the fact that we are in an upside-down, black is white world.

George Orwell would be proud, praetorian.

Oct 10, 2009 - 4:28 am 224. Freedom Now:

This is a a call to action to re-evaluate the criteria used to award the Nobel Prize.

Oct 10, 2009 - 5:41 am 225. Dave K.:

And billslayer fails again to send me an email on where we can meet so I can tell him that he’s thrown in your lot with the terrorists — the Taliban and Hamas this morning — in criticizing the President for receiving the Nobel Peace prize.

Ah, the conservative Internet tough guy at his best.
Call his bluff and he runs away.

He never fails to disappoint.

Oct 10, 2009 - 6:14 am 226. Terry Gain:

Jazz Shaw calls George Bush a war monger. A war manger is someone who supports war for his own personal benefit. Bush sacrificed his popularity in order to remove a genocidal, stalinist dictator who had waged war on his country and his country’s neighbors throughout his reign of terror and who was still in breach of the terms of the ceasefire after 12 years and 17 U.N. Resolutions.

Today Iraq is at peace with its neighbors and its government does not terrorize its citizens. Bush solved Iraq. Obama will not solve Iran or Afghanistan.

Not even the possibility of genocide was enough to persuade Obama not to advocate abandoning Iraq to al Qaeda and Iran. Conservatives should have their own Peace Prize. The first recipient should go to the man who liberated 28 million Iraqis. But for him, there would be two nations pursuing nuclear weapons in the Middle East, and not just one.

Jazz Shaw is an upside down embarrassment to this site.

Oct 10, 2009 - 6:35 am 227. FCCS(SW/AW) Jeff Weimer, USN:

207. Praetorian:

You can’t have it both ways with the VA. either Bush caused all that backlog (which is not true), or it’s still very good. The fact remains that Obama tried to shunt VA mandated care off to the recipient’s private insurance as a way of not spending more money on veterans, but had to back off due to the outcry generated by the American Legion.

TRICARE is really employer-provided care, it’s just that the employer runs all aspects of the system, except for family dental and the administration of TRICARE itself. Now I know a little bit about TRICARE and the military medical system, and we use it extensively. We have a special needs child born with brain-related birth defects that require use of a lot of expensive specialists, many who are not available at our military treatment facility (MTF). Now, TRICARE is run very much like an HMO or PPO, meaning we have to go to doctors that are members of the plan. If we don’t we will be charged the difference between the authorized payment and the doctor’s bill, much like Medicare.

It also has a priority system – Active Duty first, then Active Duty dependents, then retirees, then retiree dependents. It’s very possible you must wait for an extensive period of time to be seen at an MTF. Luckily, we can get a referral to a private Doctor if there is no room, or they don’t have the right specialist. That is only possible because we have a robust private sector. I shudder to think what will happen if all doctors are under a similar system – many specialists will be squeezed out by arbitrary payment rules, leaving those left with a higher workload and longer waits for care – much like the British and Canadian systems the Captain touts.

Also, the VA, TRICARE and TFL are benefits earned by the servicemembers, not an entitlement granted to them. It is only available during their term of service. Retirees are entitled to TRICARE Prime at subsidized rates after they have served 20 years or more, but the are also free to turn it down.

There is also the matter of demographics. The military and it’s retirees are a small subset of the population at large, are on average younger, and are screened at induction for their physical health. As a consequence, TRICARE’s expenditures for expensive treatments such as cancer are lower than the rest of the nation. And even then, it’s expenses are rising faster than inflation.

It would be nice to ramp this up to include everyone, but it does nothing to control costs. It is very good on the retail (patient) end, however. It’s primary goal is military readiness, and that includes families in that it helps maintain morale of the servicemember. It is not quite cost-is-no-object, since it is budgeted, but controlling costs in not a primary goal.

If you want to control costs, you need to remove the opaque cost disconnect between providers and patients, and nothing we have today, including private insurance, does enough. Nothing proposed by the Democrats solves that problem either, but actually makes them worse by shuffling costs from discrete line items to various taxes, may of them hidden from the consumer’s view (like the proposed Baucus medical devices tax).

Oct 10, 2009 - 6:51 am 228. Marina:

@ 221. Ytzik
Thank you for the link.

Of course, the official MSM version is “They don’t boo, they GASP”.

Yeah, right. And that shoe in Iraq thrown by a Sadamista had a telephone number and “Tonight at eleven” on it.

“But if you watch the whole speech, they applaud at the end” (One of the bitching YouTube commentators) – Really? Not all the journalist are communistic whores. Some have expected the Prize to go to a real person, not to an empty suit. THEY booed. And o.c. the majority of the Western “journalists” (marxist propagandists) were happy. THEY applauded.

Oct 10, 2009 - 7:18 am 229. misanthropicus:

Re #197/Praetorian: [...] What is it with you guys and your anal fixation? Rushie is always talking about grabbing his ankles and anal this and anal that. Is there some sort of repressed desires going on here? Weird. [...]

Praetorian by any other name is still a… Mameluk.
No anal obsession here, Preatty, just reasonable inferrence – while the traditional acception of the Praetorian term is that of a Roman soldier of a special corps assigned to defend the imperator, many, and justifiedly so, laugh off the heroic connotations of the term because, as the time passed, the Praetorians became a pompous homosexual crew, nothing short of Egypt’s Mameluks -

Now reviewing your logic – had you signed your pieces of wisdom as “Mattachine”, must I, when putting a face on you, describe you as… a stamps collecting former cosmonaut?

For all

Oct 10, 2009 - 8:02 am 230. Fred Beloit:

Say, Dave, is K. really your last name?

Oct 10, 2009 - 8:09 am 231. Tito:

“And billslayer fails again to send me an email on where we can meet so I can tell him that he’s thrown in your lot with the terrorists — the Taliban and Hamas this morning — in criticizing the President for receiving the Nobel Peace prize.”

President Obama seems to agree with Hamas’ view of the Middle East and has said that the Taliban should have a voice in the future of Afghanistan. Besides, nobody is criticizing the President for receiving the prize; they are criticizing the committee for awarding it to him. What I can’t understand is why anyone would be surprised that a committee of European elites would award a prize to a President who seems to want the United States to be as insignificant on the world scene as they do?

Oct 10, 2009 - 8:10 am 232. misanthropicus:

RE #208/Now and Then: [...] Hey, I heard that Obama when he fit heard about this said, “Thank you, Joseph Stalin for guiding me, thank you Adolf Hitler for inspiring me, thank you Pol Pot for your awesome killing techniques, thank you bi Laden for killing so many Americans that we didn’t chase you.’ [...] I just heard it on Glen Beck. [...]

N&T, and right Glenn Beck is, and here are a few additional facts that support his idea:
* Frank Marshall as mentor (sexually and politically) of Obama -
* Bill Ayres as supporter and mentor of Obama;
* Obama’s Columbia U thesis which has as motto Susan Sontag’s “The White Race Is The Cancer Of The world” -
* “God damn America!” reverend Wright’s (friend & godfather of Sasha) screeds -
* Michelle’s “Whitey” tape –

… and Obama’s credentials on which Beck has based his assertion can go long…

Oct 10, 2009 - 8:11 am 233. BC:

To FCCS(SW/AW) Jeff Weimer, USN: That “opaque cost disconnect” is deliberate and just part of the overall systemic misbehavior that have infected our health care system. In this case, by making it very difficult for patients to actually see what the actual detailed costs are, and where the money is going, that makes comparison nearly impossible. Removing it would actually mean more regulation, watchguarding, and penalties for noncompliance. Not that knowing would help all that much — how many people would actually abandon his/her doctor and affiliated hospital to save money?

Oct 10, 2009 - 8:22 am 234. Knotacommie:

Most of the commie trolls in here like Jharp and Praetorian are in here or other conservative sites daily. They are all paid by all the Soros funded agencies like CAP(center for American “progress”-what a joke). Most of them have more than one screen name and spend most of there time in there underwear typing away on some Soros bought computer. Not only that, but they also spread viruses to the computers of those who embarass them for there abject stupidity. Its not hard to figure out the Soros trolls-look at the time of day they come in and how many hours they spend on a comments section like this. Ill say one thing Soros trolls-We still have a second amendment here and lots of firearms owners. Dont push too far.

Oct 10, 2009 - 8:25 am 235. robotech master:

To 225. Dave K.

“Call his bluff and he runs away.”

Funny how you say that as you are running away as well…

Oct 10, 2009 - 8:29 am 236. Big Red:

JL, remember what they say about “good intentions”, the road to Hell is paved with them.

Oct 10, 2009 - 8:36 am 237. Now and Then:

229. misanthropicus:

Oh, there’s an obsession alright. I’ve been documenting it here for months – the right wing scat fascination. You’re absolutely right, Praetorian. It’s amazingly consistent . . . and comes in many different forms . . . the quintessential example in both purity and frequency being “turd.” The loves themselves some turds.

And yes, Rush is the King Fixator – bending over, grabbing his ankles . . . butt boys . . . etc. As to what explains it? Well, the fist stop (I’m sorry, did I say fist? I meant first.) would be your garden variety sexual repression so common among the Godlies. Beyond that, I’d say there are some abuse issues at work . . . there are a lot of Uncle Ernies out there, and most of them are conservatives.

So, Praetorian, relax in knowing that you are correct in your observation. And keep a watch out for the Right Wing Scat Fascination. . . . I suggest offering “Scat Alert – Right on Cue” as the appropriate recognition. Enjoy the show.

Oct 10, 2009 - 8:39 am 238. paul_unalaska:

Jeff Weimer, be careful discussing anything in detail with BC.

BC takes a topic, begins with decent talking points then the middle and ending portion is emotional ridden nonsense. It’s impossible to argue emotions. More so when it’s emotional nonsense.

Oct 10, 2009 - 9:11 am 239. jharp:

Knotacommie:

Most of the commie trolls in here like Jharp and Praetorian…

…Ill say one thing Soros trolls-We still have a second amendment here and lots of firearms owners. Dont push too far.
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Oct 10, 2009 - 9:14 am 240. Praetorian:

Knotacommie wrote: “Most of the commie trolls in here like Jharp and Praetorian are in here or other conservative sites daily. They are all paid by all the Soros funded agencies like CAP(center for American “progress”-what a joke). Most of them have more than one screen name and spend most of there time in there underwear typing away on some Soros bought computer. Not only that, but they also spread viruses to the computers of those who embarass them for there abject stupidity. Its not hard to figure out the Soros trolls-look at the time of day they come in and how many hours they spend on a comments section like this. Ill say one thing Soros trolls-We still have a second amendment here and lots of firearms owners. Dont push too far.”

Don’t trip when exiting your black helicopter.

And as far as pushing you too far. We’re gonna push you as far as we can, preferably out of the country where all you treasonous America haters belong. You can cozy up with Hamas and the Taliban. You can sit around hoping for bad things to happen to out great nation. You people are the devils afterbirth.

Oct 10, 2009 - 9:15 am 241. robotech master:

To 240. Praetorian

“You can sit around hoping for bad things to happen to out great nation.”

No one has to “hope and change” for bad things to happen… history is clear that any form of leftism is suicide… your the ones setting the course which history has deemed deadly.

Oct 10, 2009 - 9:43 am 242. misanthropicus:

Re Praetorian/ N&T: tags: [...] …bending and holding ankles, Obama’s Nobel Prize, obsessions, enligtenment, Obama’s graduation thesis at Columbia U anticipating his career, more enlightenment, more bending & holding ankles, Nubian & Kanyan Mameluks, Larry Sinclair, African habits & practices, more Obama’s Nobel Prize, etc. [...]

Methinks those two trolls, Praetorian and N&T, doth protest too much – you liberal guys, it’s you who are transfixed & consummed by your own (and others’) sexuality and keep obsessing about that, and the cultural history of the past 40 years shows you motionlessly staring at your own crotch shot. As for myself, I just make public my observation (no news here) regarding this, and the fact that things released in the air generally travel downward, and you immediately hit the ceiling – probably your oppression thing acts up here.

Hasn’t Kevin Jennings found in Jupiter’s motion that that is a steady encroachment on homosexuality’s normalcy by the aberration that heterosexuality is?

You are from the same hatchery with Jennings – and returning to the object of this thread, I am wondering how stratospheric has he gone praising Obama’s Nobel Prize -

Oct 10, 2009 - 10:06 am 243. jharp:

robotech master:

“No one has to “hope and change” for bad things to happen… history is clear that any form of leftism is suicide… your the ones setting the course which history has deemed deadly.”

Yeah right. Conservatism has worked out so well for us. Just look at the fantastic shape of our economy after 14 years of a republican Congress and 8 years of Bush.

Oct 10, 2009 - 10:09 am 244. Dave K.:

235. robotech master:

How am I running away?

Oct 10, 2009 - 11:05 am 245. Donna V.:

It’s even clearer today that that many libs have mixed feelings about this – see today’s NT Times headline. That makes the reaction of the PJM trolls all the more entertaining. Vivo, jharp, N & T, etc. are like bozos who leap out of their seats to wildly cheer and applaud a bad play. After standing there for a few minutes giving the crappy actors a standing ovation, the doofs glance over their shoulders – and notice that nobody else in the theater is clapping. Comedy gold!

Oct 10, 2009 - 11:35 am 246. Ed Butt:

Next Friday Obama is going to be awarded the men’s individual figure skating gold medal for the 2010 Winter Olympics……..

Oct 10, 2009 - 11:57 am 247. robotech master:

To 243. jharp

O I agree dirty centrist/conservatives are almost as bad as dirty commies/leftists…. but your supporting both…

To 244. Dave K.

So now we playing the ignore game huh….

Oct 10, 2009 - 12:02 pm 248. Ken Hahn:

It’s very simple. The committee, having decided that no one takes the prize seriously anymore, agreed that they wouldn’t either. So they chose to compete with David Letterman for best humor by a pervert.

Oct 10, 2009 - 2:01 pm 249. adam:

For a little while the leftist trolls were gone from here, and now they are back with a couple of new ones. People stopped responding to them, and I assumed they got discouraged, but now they are being fed. No one can tell anyone else who to respond to and who to ignore, but I just ask the serious conservative commenters here to look at what happens to the discussion when we allow ourselves to get sidetracked by these leftists with nothing to offer but insults. Well, I can hope that it’s only the excitement of the further deification of The Won, Peace Be Upon Him, that has them swarming about these last couple of days. If not, though, I warn you that they can ruin these threads and discourage lots of people from commenting–which may be their intent.

Oct 10, 2009 - 2:09 pm 250. octogalore:

I would think “peace” would go along with advocating egalitarian principles. If so, one would think that Pres. Obam would caution his handpicked advisors not to do things like equate Sharia Law with “gender justice.”

Oct 10, 2009 - 2:25 pm 251. Sebastian Shaw:

The Nobel Peace Prize is essentially expensive dog encrusted poop; it speaks volumes about Obama receiving it when he has accomplished nothing save run for political office & succeed. If one was to deflate Obama’s ego, it would have enough energy to sustain the Earth for several million centuries.

Oct 10, 2009 - 2:36 pm 252. Now and Then:

1. Sebastian Shaw:
“The Nobel Peace Prize is essentially expensive dog encrusted poop”

Right Wing Scat Alert – Right on Cue!

(See? It’s so easy.)

Oct 10, 2009 - 3:04 pm 253. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: Praetorian

I see that this character has failed to answer my question about how much of HIS/HER ‘forth-point-of-contact’ they’ve put on the ‘line’ for US.

Not surprising….from a gutless-wonder such as they appear to be.

Hence, why bother paying any attention to them.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. Somehow….

….I get the impression that Robert Heinlein was right in Starship Troopers.

Oct 10, 2009 - 3:20 pm 254. myth buster:

Praetorian, jharp, get it through your thick heads that we owe our active duty troops and veterans the very best health care we can muster, whatever the cost. If there are problems with the VA, then that means we need to either spend more money, streamline the process, or outsource the care to someone who can get it done better. The important thing is that this is a debt we owe them, we don’t owe you or anyone else who didn’t serve squat. None of the vets could possibly be taking more out of the VA than they put in, because what they put in in blood, sweat and tears to produce the freedom we hold dear is far more valuable than what it costs to provide them with health care for the rest of their lives, even if they’re brain damaged as a result of combat wounds.

Oct 10, 2009 - 3:44 pm 255. spindok:

Many things said about this.

I just wanted to add my own as many have from all points of view. Just a personal need to speak out about something troubling me. I think it is creeping into my dreams at night.

This is really wierd. I am trying to understand something irrational, at least beyond my own ability to reason.

I always thought that Nobel awards were all about reason. That has been mostly true in the sciences.

Even the award to Arafat made sense at the time. We didnt know then what he had in mind.

Something else went on here. Even the hard core Obamists are shocked, amazed and confused.

I just dont get it. Maybe we are past reason as we have known it.

Winds are blowing and the sky has that greeinsh-grey color. Today I took care of the cars. All oiled, tires, fuel…The home got battened down for the coming winter. We have propane and batteries…other stuff.

I have two zombie movies from blockbuster and a supply of beer. My wife is doing a fun night out with the girlfriends.

The world will not end because of this strange event.

Shalom

Spindok

Oct 10, 2009 - 4:25 pm 256. misanthropicus:

RE #99 and farther/ Praetorian [...] This is why they cozy up with terrorists like Hamas and the Taliban in ridiculing American accomplishments and prestige. [...]

Pretty, you spent some time and microvolts trying to dodge the essence of the dicussion – what are Soetoro’s accomplishments that warranted his receiving the Nobel Prize?

I offer you again a punch bag to begin with, answer and enlarge:

Obama’s feats are accomplishments?
Notre Dame U showed last summer that there is such a thing like an “anticipative” PhD (and this ignoring Obama’s certifiable solid past of academic & otherwise fraudulence – now the Nobel Committee amplifies this ciompetitional debasing by enshrining near that fraudulence Obama’s glaring incompetence and crass cynicism (a funny thought: crass fraudulence is the only thing that is certifiable in Obama’s career.)

Fraud pays, as Obama’s Notre Dame U PhD confirmed: the Nobel Committee mentioned as one of the reasons for bestowing on this scoundrel this prize was his (10 days short!) work for nuclear disarmament – is Obama’s dual Columbia graduation thesis “North-South Relationships In The Post-Colonial Age”/ “US-Soviet Nuclear Disarmament Issues” finally available?
Have the Nobel committee read the same draft of those outstanding works that Notre Dame U wisemen read?
Can’t we have finally access to those phenomenal works?

Praetorian, explain these accomplishments, then add add more – feel free to use your own words (and if you can find in my chalenge some scat obsession, that comes probably from the fact that we’re talking about hope’n change).
Do it buddy, you sure can pull it -

Oct 10, 2009 - 4:27 pm 257. Donna V.:

Right Wing Scat Alert – Right on Cue!

(See? It’s so easy.)

How can conservatives look at leftists and not see sh*t?

(See, it’s even easier for us. You’re becoming my straight man, N & T. Thanks for setting me up so nicely.)

Oct 10, 2009 - 4:29 pm 258. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: Obama, the Prize and Now and Then

Right Wing Scat Alert – Right on Cue! — Now and Then

The only ’scat’ is what comes from:

• Now and Then
• The Nobel ‘Peace’ Prize Committee
• Obama

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The Truth will 'out'.]

Oct 10, 2009 - 4:40 pm 259. Ytzik:

@ 228. Marina:

Since the POTUS refused to apply the “carrot and stick” approach to a bunch of dictators, now a bunch of scandinavian apologists for dictators decided to apply the carrot and stick to the POTUS.

Oct 10, 2009 - 5:04 pm 260. rachel peepers:

I sure am glad that PJM takes threats seriously and reports them to law enforcement.

Actually, threats made by commenters as well as those made outside of PJM, I believe should be taken seriously.

John Early and wife Kay, who were attempting to vote at a Philadelphia polling place last November, in fact, were threatened by two Black Panthers standing in the doorway. And they took it seriously.

One went so far as to brandish a nightstick and wear what looked like a holster. Moreover, he told my friends John and Kay, “Whitey, if you don’t vote for Obama, you better not walk out that front door.”

John reported them to the Philadelphia police just like PJM encourages you do do if threatened in here.

The police arrived, carted one Panther off, and eventually two panthers and the entity (the black panthers) were charged federally with voter intimidation.

Barack Obama and Eric Holder, both who claim to be champions of civil rights cases, after the Black Panthers failed to show up in court (which is the equivalent of a guilty virdict) decided to drop the case.

The obvious reason: the black panthers are tied at the hip to ACORN, the voter fraud machine, which likewise is tied at the hip to Barack Obama.

Here’s my point if you’re not getting it.

What good is reporting threats to law enforcement if law enforcement won’t enforce the law?

Is it within the law to threaten communist sympathizers like now and then, vivo, n & t et al? Is it within the law to track into their personal information? Is it within the law to intimidate them?

If the chief law enforcers of this country refuse to enforce the law against law breaking Black Panthers, does that mean we live in a state of anarchy where anything goes?

I know the trolls in here think they’re safe. But, with the suspension of the 14th amendment by actions of the President and attorney general, Eric Holder, how safe are they really? How safe are any of us?

Only time will tell.

Oct 10, 2009 - 5:26 pm 261. rachel peepers:

Donna V, Delia and the rest of you troll smashers.

Get a kick out of the way you verbally take the trolls apart point by point, making them look like vapid, feckless, etiolated turd brains whenever you engage them.

It reminds me of a jet fighter taking on a paper airplane. With words and thoughts, you incinerate them.

Especially, I enjoyed # 245.

The trolls write like they have verbal lockjaw. Pitifully confused little creatures who crawl back under their rocks when they can’t take the abuse anymore.

Oct 10, 2009 - 5:40 pm 262. Donna V.:

rachel peepers: Why, thank you, you’re doing very good work here yourself.

The trolls are ridiculous creatures. The proper response is not to ignore them – that only lets the idiots believe they’ve stumped you – but to ridicule and mock. Hey, it’s a page from the old Alinsky playbook.

Oct 10, 2009 - 6:06 pm 263. jharp:

myth buster:

“Praetorian, jharp, get it through your thick heads that we owe our active duty troops and veterans the very best health care we can muster, whatever the cost.”

And why would you think I felt any differently? I agree with you.

Jack*ss.

And why would you choose to draw the line with our veterans? Do you think non veterans should simply be left to die?

Oct 10, 2009 - 7:54 pm 264. Dave K.:

Robotech master, do email me and we’ll set up a meeting between us.

Oct 10, 2009 - 8:13 pm 265. myth buster:

What I’m saying is that veterans earned the right to have their health care paid for by taxpayers. Those who haven’t served, save for those covered as a military member’s dependents, have no right to my money. I have a serious moral objection to the government taking my money and giving it to people who haven’t earned it- military personnel, present and former, have earned it. Otherwise, I will dispose of my money as I see fit; I’ll give generously to charity, both directly and indirectly, but I have a serious problem with government taking my money for so-called charity.

Oct 10, 2009 - 8:38 pm 266. Now and Then:

258 Chuck Pelto . . .

I refer you to :

261. rachel peepers:
“vapid, feckless, etiolated turd brain”

Right Wing Scat Alert – Right on Cue. Fantastic . . . so easy.

Oct 10, 2009 - 8:40 pm 267. jharp:

myth buster:

“What I’m saying is that veterans earned the right to have their health care paid for by taxpayers. Those who haven’t served, save for those covered as a military member’s dependents, have no right to my money.”

Well I ‘d strongly suggest thinking before you post such ignorant drivel.

What about the poor kids who did nothing wrong except get sick and be born into a poor family? Let them die?

Or a middle class family who gets caught without insurance whose kid gets a serious illness? Or the Mom gets breast cancer? Do they not deserve to get treated? Before the family loses everything?

No offense, buddy, but I loathe what you stand for. It repulses me. And I thank God that you and your ilk are no longer in power.

Oct 10, 2009 - 9:03 pm 268. myth buster:

If they are too poor to pay for it themselves, then they can beg or borrow to get the money. A couple of years ago a girl at my high school was hit by a bus. She lived, but it was really ugly- she wound up in the hospital for over a month and still lost a leg. The entire community came together and raised lots of money with numerous fundraisers partnering with various local businesses to pay for her therapy. I have no problem with charity, and I give a minimum of 10% of my income to charitable causes, either nonprofits or directly to those in need. I object to the government claiming ownership of my resources for the purposes of redistributing it to those it deems more deserving. It’s my money, and I have the right to save it, spend it, or give it away as I see fit.

Oct 10, 2009 - 10:12 pm 269. robotech master:

To 264. Dave K.

Already picked out the spot time line going to take a bit since you know us evil right wingers have jobs and all… however I’m sure we can get together sometime in the next 6 months or so.

Oct 10, 2009 - 10:35 pm 270. Dave K.:

To 269. robotech master:

Yeah, right.
You’re a coward and so is billslayer.
Prove me wrong and email me and we’ll set up a meeting where I’ll tell you that you are a traitor and terrorist appeaser to your face.

Oct 11, 2009 - 7:27 am 271. Fred Beloit:

Dave, is K really your last name? And are you rough trade? You sure sound rough. Ooooowwww. You seem sooo desperate for a love trist. I’m getting very steamy.

Oct 11, 2009 - 8:11 am 272. jharp:

myth buster:

“If they are too poor to pay for it themselves, then they can beg or borrow to get the money.”

Is that your solution to health care reform, begging on the streets?

You my friend, are an idiot.

And hate to break it to you but the government does have the right to tax you and give it to someone else. And guess what? We’ve become the greatest country in the world doing it that way. We’re a little behind in health care but don’t fret. That’s about to change.

Oct 11, 2009 - 8:20 am 273. Fred Beloit:

#272
Can’t argue with facts: “And hate to break it to you but the government does have the right to tax you and give it to someone else.” Of course taking money from Joe and giving it to Al is simple theft, whether the government does it or not.

That was the attitude the Dems had in 1994. History will repeat in 2010 with the rebuke of the Dems for theft, destroying the economy, increasing inflation by destroying the buying power of the dollar, ruining our once great sick care system, and loading future generations with crippling debt. This is the Brave New World the American Eurosocialists are now in the act of bringing us.

Oct 11, 2009 - 9:10 am 274. jharp:

Fred Beloit:

Can’t argue with facts: “And hate to break it to you but the government does have the right to tax you and give it to someone else.” Of course taking money from Joe and giving it to Al is simple theft, whether the government does it or not.

That was the attitude the Dems had in 1994.

Yep, and that was the attitude the founders had when they wrote the U.S. Constitution. Specifically when they granted the Congress the power to tax.

I can’t wait til the 2010 midterms. And I will revel in watching you teabagging idiots disappointed.

Get this Fred, the dems are 2 to 1 favorites to hold the House. And the Senate looks even worse for you.

Oct 11, 2009 - 9:41 am 275. Donna V.:

Ground control to jharp:

PRINCETON, NJ — Roughly a year before the 2010 midterm elections, Gallup finds the Republican and Democratic Parties nearly tied in the congressional ballot preferences of registered voters. Forty-six percent of registered voters say they would vote for the Democrat and 44% say the Republican when asked which party’s candidate they would support for Congress, if the election were held today.

The Democratic Party held a slightly wider, six percentage-point lead on this important indicator of party strength in July, 50% to 44%. However, both 2009 results show a more competitive political environment than Gallup has generally seen since before the Democrats regained control of the U.S. House of Representatives in the 2006 midterm elections. Closer to elections, Gallup bases its results on “likely voters.” Doing so typically improves the Republicans’ positioning by several points; thus, when Democrats lead slightly among registered voters, it is possible for Republicans to be ahead among likely voters.

The Republican Party’s relatively strong position on the generic ballot in the latest poll, conducted Oct. 1-4, stems from the support of political independents, who now favor Republican over Democratic candidates by 45% to 36%. In July, independents were evenly divided in their party voting preferences, whereas last fall they showed a clear preference for the Democrats

So, the “nutwing” teaparties and town halls resulted in – the Dems losing ground. And there is still a year to go before the mid-terms. I predict they’ll lose much more ground in that year – not a risky prediction considering what a hash they’re making of the *snicker* “liberal moment.” The independents are moving toward the Republicans. That ought to worry any lib with a lick of sense.

But of course,jharp doesn’t have a lick of sense. Sonny, you really need to stop taking Daily Kos and HuffPo polls seriously.

Oct 11, 2009 - 11:39 am 276. robotech master:

To 270. Dave K.

I’ve already stated a place which you refuse to meet at…. so why bother to mail you when you have already refused to meet…?

Oct 11, 2009 - 11:45 am 277. Fred Beloit:

Why Harpo, you corn-holing Lefty you (you asked for it with the TB reference, happy to oblige). The power to tax, force citizens to pay for legit government activities, has been perverted by you and years into simple theft. Anyone can see that, even you.

Two-to-one is laughable because it is meaningless. Who came up with that one, Nick the Greek?

Oct 11, 2009 - 11:52 am 278. ThumperNM:

WOW, PHEWW, I’m getting nervous about posting here, DaveK the Neanderthal, knuckle dragger might come and beat up on we poor liberals. How appropriate is his response to what ails the Republican Party. Violence is the answer.

Well Dave, I’ll bet your wife and kids get to sample your outbursts regularly, don’t they! I bet the only thing you beat regularly is your friend downstairs in your pants.

Oct 11, 2009 - 1:45 pm 279. misanthropicus:

RE #273/274:
* Fred Beloit to rharp: [...] Of course taking money from Joe and giving it to Al is simple theft, whether the government does it or not. [...]
* Rharp to Beloit: [...] I can’t wait til the 2010 midterms. And I will revel in watching you teabagging idiots disappointed. [...]

Rharp, you’re (unwittingly) fullfilling Fred’s adage (second part):
1) Of course the Democrats’ taking money from Joe and giving it to Rharp is theft,
2) but what’s more important is that after this ‘redistribution”, the Democrats will have all Rharps in arms to vote for them –

Rharp, if you can focus a bit, maybe you can run a check on the originar, Latin meaning of the word “client” – it meant rharp.

Oct 11, 2009 - 1:55 pm 280. Hans Moleman:

President Obama wins the Nobel Peace Prize, and people are amazed. They should not be; in fact, Obama has earned the prize.

In the blink of an eye he has moved the world’s only superpower firmly into the appeasement camp. This has been the Western left’s greatest foreign policy goal for the past eight years, and Obama has delivered on it.

Without creating much of a stir, he has notified our enemies that they need not fear us, and our allies that they cannot count on us.

Meanwhile, Iran arms itself for the coming annihilation of 6 million Jews, and the world prepares iself by stigmatizing Israel and legitimizing anti-Semitism.

Oct 11, 2009 - 4:48 pm 281. vivo:

260. rachel peepers:

“Is it within the law to threaten communist sympathizers like now and then, vivo, n & t et al? Is it within the law to track into their personal information? Is it within the law to intimidate them? ”

You are liable for defamation. When have I said I was a communist or anything else?

You can track all you want: it all goes back to YOU . . . Ask your doctor about delirium tremens, u r really cracking up.

Oct 12, 2009 - 12:36 am 282. Now and Then:

260. rachel peepers:

“Is it within the law to threaten communist sympathizers like now and then, vivo, n & t et al? Is it within the law to track into their personal information? Is it within the law to intimidate them? ”

Threaten, track, intimidate? How Big Brother of you. I thought you would support the First Amendment. I guess you do, so long as what’s being said agrees with your opinions. Sounds like that leftist education your daddy is paying for isn’t going to waste. Well done, Comrade! You will rise quickly in the ranks of the neo-Stasi.

Me? I’ll stick with freedom – you know, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. You should try that angle some day. It’s much better than the raging victimhood of your elite class.

Oct 12, 2009 - 6:16 am 283. David S:

@260. rachel peepers:

Is it within the law to threaten communist sympathizers like now and then, vivo, n & t et al? Is it within the law to track into their personal information? Is it within the law to intimidate them?

It is unlawful to threaten anyone with physical harm. You can be prosecuted. It is also unlawful to defame persons by publishing false claims (e.g. “communist sympathizers”) about them, if such claims cause injury and are not privileged. It is lawful to track personal information, although harassment and stalking laws may restrict the means and methods.

Intimidation is the tactic favored by terrorists. If intimidation rises to the level of a threat, it is illegal.

I know the trolls in here think they’re safe. But, with the suspension of the 14th amendment by actions of the President and attorney general, Eric Holder, how safe are they really? How safe are any of us?

Only time will tell.

I don’t pretend that I am safe. I am well aware that posting under my real name exposes me to the tactics you have mentioned. However, I am also quite willing to take that risk. I would not be the first patriot to die in defense of the United States Constitution, nor the last.

Peace.

DS

Oct 12, 2009 - 10:04 am 284. baal:

OK–has david.kistenmacher@gmail.com made a reappearance here? Sorry about my absence, my work requires that yada yada yada–This is BILLSLAYER BTW. Has he made any appearances here? IF so Dave…why don’t you tell me where you are and maybe I’ll come to you instead?

Oct 12, 2009 - 1:54 pm 285. robotech master:

To 284. baal

No he hasn’t he tucked his tail and ran. He’s a real tough guy when he thought he’d have a bunch of police and such to back him up(and maybe a lawsuit as well the leecher)… he’s not so brave when he won’t have a bunch of armed guard to protect his “freedom of stupidity”.

To 283. David S

“It is also unlawful to defame persons by publishing false claims (e.g. “communist sympathizers”) about them, if such claims cause injury and are not privileged.”

Not even close… first you would need to “publish” those claims and for that you’d need to either own a major newspaper/radio station/TV station. Then they have to shows the claims are false(which now and then, vivo, david S, etc would fail at). Then and only then could you manage to win… and lets say you win… what damages have been inflicted. Well its doubtful any so other then lawyer fees you’d get nothing.

“I would not be the first patriot to die in defense of the United States Constitution, nor the last.”

I find it laughable that someone who is a flaming commie with the intend to enslave most of the world and overthrow the US Constitution(and thats just from skimming your blog) thinks that they are somehow a “patriot”…. it is ppl like you that make me sick. Why don’t you go back to killing jews or blacks or whatever race you don’t like this year because you feel you are so superior to them.

Oct 12, 2009 - 5:47 pm 286. Bohemond:

Jho’:

“Yep, and that was the attitude the founders had when they wrote the U.S. Constitution. Specifically when they granted the Congress the power to tax.”

You historical ignoramus! The Framers in their wisdom expressly *denied* the Federal government that power. Madison wrote to (the anti-Federalist) Patrick Henry that the inability of the Feds to levy direct taxes was one of the two principle guarantees against its their tyrannical (he was right). The Framers endorse Robin Hood???? Men who believed the solefunction of government was to protect life, liberty, and the possession of private property?

No, it was Wilson and the Progressives who imposed the Income Tax on us, and began us down the slippery slope into a system and philosophy based on THEFT and COERCION. That’s all progressivism amounts to, however much you try to pretty it up.

Where on earth were you taught that it was American to demand the government provide you with Free Stuff? You have NO right to other men’s labor.

————–

Praetorian-

Why am I so unsurprised that a lib would choose a handle taken from the Emperors’ goon squad? After all, they called the SS “Hitler’s Praetorians” for a reason. Rule by fiat, a society ordered at the pleasure of an elite, with bread and circuses for the proles- yep, that’s liberalism. The difference between a welfare state and a totalitarian one is nugatory.

It just cracks me up that you as an enemy of everything that is a truly American virtue, an advocate for the soft serfdom of decadent, dying Europe, would feebly attempt the Humpty Dumpty stunt of calling *us* un-American!

Hint: The side whose philosophy aligns with the Framers and their inspirations Locke and Montesquieu (and to an extent Burke) are the real Americans.

Oct 12, 2009 - 6:49 pm 287. myth buster:

Jharp, what is the shame in begging? If a homeless person begs me for money, I’ll give him some if I can afford it, and if I can’t, I’ll try to help some other way by pointing out some way he can earn money right away. If, however, the same man were to break into my dorm room, I’d stab him with a kitchen knife. There is no shame in asking for help from your neighbors if you need it, but there is no justification for theft.

Oct 12, 2009 - 9:13 pm 288. Dave Surls:

“for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples”

ROTFL

Obviously, the Peace Prize is a joke.

The only isssue here is to make sure that the prize money doesn’t go into the hands of corrupt American politicians (of the lefty stripe) who shouldn’t be allowed to take money from foreign interests while they hold public office.

Our lefty pols take enough bribes from domestic groups, they shouldn’t be allowed to be bought by foreigners.

Oct 12, 2009 - 10:09 pm 289. David S:

@285. robotech master:

Not even close… first you would need to “publish” those claims and for that you’d need to either own a major newspaper/radio station/TV station.

Publishing to the internet is sufficient. Traditional media is not required to defame someone.

Then they have to shows the claims are false(which now and then, vivo, david S, etc would fail at).

It would be pretty easy to show that the claims are false, since there is absolutely no factual support for them.

Then and only then could you manage to win… and lets say you win… what damages have been inflicted. Well its doubtful any so other then lawyer fees you’d get nothing.

I don’t think the financial reward would be the motivating factor here…

“I would not be the first patriot to die in defense of the United States Constitution, nor the last.”

I find it laughable that someone who is a flaming commie with the intend to enslave most of the world and overthrow the US Constitution(and thats just from skimming your blog) thinks that they are somehow a “patriot”….

I find it laughable that you come to such absurd conclusions so easily and handily. I suppose you have some quotes to share about my intent to enslave the world and overthrow the US Constitution in between my screeds on health care reform and the important of the first amendment? Give me a break.

it is ppl like you that make me sick. Why don’t you go back to killing jews or blacks or whatever race you don’t like this year because you feel you are so superior to them.

See, this is why nobody likes Republicans – instead of addressing the arguments and ideas, you would rather just demonize anyone who dares to disagree with you. My family are jews, and my friends are from every race – your projection is showing, and it’s not pretty. You feel you must have someone to tear down in order to build yourself up.

You might want to check your own racism before you start making accusations against others.

Peace.

DS

Oct 13, 2009 - 9:32 am 290. robotech master:

To 289. David S

“Publishing to the internet is sufficient. Traditional media is not required to defame someone.”

Yes if its in a big newspaper/radio station/TV station… a comment section and even most blogs are not even close.

“It would be pretty easy to show that the claims are false, since there is absolutely no factual support for them.”

Have you read some of the comments made by now and then, vivo, david S, etc or seen this site http://onpjm.blogspot.com/

If you bother to read you would see their is not doubt they are pro-commie/pro-nazi. So take the time to educate yourself.

“I find it laughable that you come to such absurd conclusions so easily and handily. I suppose you have some quotes to share about my intent to enslave the world and overthrow the US Constitution in between my screeds on health care reform and the important of the first amendment? Give me a break.”

I would suggest you review this site this it is choke full of proof. http://onpjm.blogspot.com/
Or how about the belief that critics should be shut down… like say

“It is also unlawful to defame persons by publishing false claims (e.g. “communist sympathizers”) about them, if such claims cause injury and are not privileged.”

Clearly this person is not a big fan of the first amendment…

“See, this is why nobody likes Republicans – instead of addressing the arguments and ideas, you would rather just demonize anyone who dares to disagree with you. ”

And this is why ppl like you are retarded and know nothing. I’m not “republican” I’m right-wing… and yes I “demonize” all the left wingers BECAUSE YOU ARE RACIST EVIL HATEFUL RELIGIOUS NUT JOBS WHO ONLY SEEK TO KILL ANYONE WHO ISN’T LEFT WING(and even left wingers)…. or is it they just demonize themselves by being left wing…

“My family are jews, and my friends are from every race – your projection is showing, and it’s not pretty.”

Wow the projection here is massive.

“You feel you must have someone to tear down in order to build yourself up.”

If I needed to “tear someone down” as you put it I wouldn’t pick a weak kneed retard like you to do it. I have lots of ppl in iraq and afgan to kill to “build myself up” as you say. The last thing I need to “build myself up” is some computer geek blogging about how he’s a racist and commie and that he’s to cowardly to do anything else. At least in iraq and afgan ppl like you are man enough to step out of the battlefield…your nothing but a joke to me. To even believe that you are somehow important enough for me to “build myself up upon” clearly shows you are an egomaniac self important elitist.

“You might want to check your own racism before you start making accusations against others.”

Someone like you might want to first know what racism is then understand it… because if you knew what racism was and even slightly understood it you would understand that you are a racist.

Oct 13, 2009 - 11:59 am 291. ThumperNM:

To baal 284:

OK–has david.kistenmacher@gmail.com made a reappearance here? Sorry about my absence, my work requires that yada yada yada–This is BILLSLAYER BTW. Has he made any appearances here? IF so Dave…why don’t you tell me where you are and maybe I’ll come to you instead?

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh baal you are the man! I’ll bet you make women and children shiver when you walk by. You think hiding behind your keyboard and publishing the name of another poster makes you virile? Well it only makes you another obsequious dimwit. Your threats are meaningless from a distance whether it be 100 miles or 3000. You only come across as foolish and childish. Get a life.

Oct 13, 2009 - 8:20 pm 292. Anonymous:

OK-has baal made a reappearance here? If so baal…why don’t you tell me where you are and maybe I’ll come to you instead!

Oct 14, 2009 - 6:58 pm

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