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		<title>By: acj</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/getting-back-to-gop-principles/comment-page-1/#comment-251558</link>
		<dc:creator>acj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope that the GOP reads this and weeps. The past eight years has had quotes that engage in conformity such as &quot;You are either with us or you are the enemy.&quot; And aggreement is form of patriotism.
Our Civil liberties were tamper into a ragged unclear scare tactic, Bush had wire tapping, and the Republican&#039;s never took no for an answer.
Debt has escalated under Bush, and they were writing checks without balances.
Then they told the United Nations to go screw themselves and went on the offensive with Iraq with false claims. The new world order was &quot;The Project For The New American Century&quot; with Wolfowitz, Cheney, Jeb Bush, and Rumsfeld. This started another arms race. These aren&#039;t your average republican farmers, truck drivers, or auction go&#039;ers-these are the elite government insider right wing conservatives that rule in the billion dollar corporate club. Give me a friggen break!
The GOP is ruined for years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope that the GOP reads this and weeps. The past eight years has had quotes that engage in conformity such as &#8220;You are either with us or you are the enemy.&#8221; And aggreement is form of patriotism.<br />
Our Civil liberties were tamper into a ragged unclear scare tactic, Bush had wire tapping, and the Republican&#8217;s never took no for an answer.<br />
Debt has escalated under Bush, and they were writing checks without balances.<br />
Then they told the United Nations to go screw themselves and went on the offensive with Iraq with false claims. The new world order was &#8220;The Project For The New American Century&#8221; with Wolfowitz, Cheney, Jeb Bush, and Rumsfeld. This started another arms race. These aren&#8217;t your average republican farmers, truck drivers, or auction go&#8217;ers-these are the elite government insider right wing conservatives that rule in the billion dollar corporate club. Give me a friggen break!<br />
The GOP is ruined for years.</p>
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		<title>By: Reaganite Republican Resistance</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/getting-back-to-gop-principles/comment-page-1/#comment-251347</link>
		<dc:creator>Reaganite Republican Resistance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 15:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the GOP&#039;s recent setbacks at the polls, Bobby Jindal said:

&quot;People need to look at the history of Ronald Reagan when he lost his first attempt at the Presidency (in 1976). He didn’t go back and say, ‘Let’s water down the conservatism. Let’s dilute what we’re saying. He made it even stronger.... he made it EVEN sharper. There’s a lesson there for potential candidates&quot; 

&quot;We need to be principled in our conservatism. We need to be unabashed, unafraid. We won’t always be popular with editorial writers and a lot of the members of the national media... and that’s OK. 

At the end of the day, it’s more important that we stick to our principles.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the GOP&#8217;s recent setbacks at the polls, Bobby Jindal said:</p>
<p>&#8220;People need to look at the history of Ronald Reagan when he lost his first attempt at the Presidency (in 1976). He didn’t go back and say, ‘Let’s water down the conservatism. Let’s dilute what we’re saying. He made it even stronger&#8230;. he made it EVEN sharper. There’s a lesson there for potential candidates&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;We need to be principled in our conservatism. We need to be unabashed, unafraid. We won’t always be popular with editorial writers and a lot of the members of the national media&#8230; and that’s OK. </p>
<p>At the end of the day, it’s more important that we stick to our principles.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Florack</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/getting-back-to-gop-principles/comment-page-1/#comment-250995</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Florack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; If given a choice between a government that promotes morality but is ambivalent about freedom, and a government that promotes freedom but is ambivalent about morality, which would you choose?&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

A false choice since in the western lexicon, at least, the issue of individual freedom is regarded as a moral one.

And I&#039;ll add something you&#039;re apparently missing; THere&#039;s a major difference between reinforcing the culture and it&#039;s morality, and legislating it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> If given a choice between a government that promotes morality but is ambivalent about freedom, and a government that promotes freedom but is ambivalent about morality, which would you choose?</p></blockquote>
<p>A false choice since in the western lexicon, at least, the issue of individual freedom is regarded as a moral one.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;ll add something you&#8217;re apparently missing; THere&#8217;s a major difference between reinforcing the culture and it&#8217;s morality, and legislating it.</p>
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		<title>By: JMH</title>
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		<dc:creator>JMH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 21:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If given a choice between a government that promotes morality but is ambivalent about freedom, and a government that promotes freedom but is ambivalent about morality, which would you choose?

If you pick morality, you lose both.  Because a government ambivalent about freedom will always become tyrannical, and a tyrannical government will soon find itself unable to tolerate morality.  That level of power is corrupting, and eventually the &quot;morality&quot; the government preserves will not be one you recognize.  Does this situation sound familiar?  It should.

If you choose a government that preserves your freedom, then you will find yourself responsible for preserving your own morality.  That is difficult, but it is something people have been known to accomplish from time to time, and we have several non-governmental institutions that were created to help.  

Choose freedom.  It &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; the moral choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If given a choice between a government that promotes morality but is ambivalent about freedom, and a government that promotes freedom but is ambivalent about morality, which would you choose?</p>
<p>If you pick morality, you lose both.  Because a government ambivalent about freedom will always become tyrannical, and a tyrannical government will soon find itself unable to tolerate morality.  That level of power is corrupting, and eventually the &#8220;morality&#8221; the government preserves will not be one you recognize.  Does this situation sound familiar?  It should.</p>
<p>If you choose a government that preserves your freedom, then you will find yourself responsible for preserving your own morality.  That is difficult, but it is something people have been known to accomplish from time to time, and we have several non-governmental institutions that were created to help.  </p>
<p>Choose freedom.  It <i>is</i> the moral choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Florack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Florack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Consent of the governed does not of itself imply agreement on every point with those given the power of government, unless we&#039;re dealing with a dirct democracy. Last I knew, we were and are and will be dealing with a Republic... if we can keep it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Consent of the governed does not of itself imply agreement on every point with those given the power of government, unless we&#8217;re dealing with a dirct democracy. Last I knew, we were and are and will be dealing with a Republic&#8230; if we can keep it.</p>
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		<title>By: G Alston</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/getting-back-to-gop-principles/comment-page-1/#comment-250818</link>
		<dc:creator>G Alston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#43 -- &lt;i&gt;But perhaps this very old writing will help you understand where I’m coming from on this:&lt;/i&gt;

Aristotle writes that government derives legitimacy via consent of the governed. Social conservatism is a minority position (and becoming moreso with each passing day), thus for your viewpoint to prevail you have to override the wishes of the governed, hence their consent, hence it&#039;s still a statist position. What your piece does is merely assume that your position is inline with that of the governed. It&#039;s not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#43 &#8212; <i>But perhaps this very old writing will help you understand where I’m coming from on this:</i></p>
<p>Aristotle writes that government derives legitimacy via consent of the governed. Social conservatism is a minority position (and becoming moreso with each passing day), thus for your viewpoint to prevail you have to override the wishes of the governed, hence their consent, hence it&#8217;s still a statist position. What your piece does is merely assume that your position is inline with that of the governed. It&#8217;s not.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Florack</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/getting-back-to-gop-principles/comment-page-1/#comment-250792</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Florack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Social conservatism issues are statism. On the other hand you couch your arguments as if they are the opposite.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not at all.  What you&#039;re missing is far deeper than I think I can get into, realisticly in a comment section.  But perhaps this very old writing will help you understand where I&#039;m coming from on this:

http://bitsblog.florack.us/?p=494</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Social conservatism issues are statism. On the other hand you couch your arguments as if they are the opposite.</p></blockquote>
<p>Not at all.  What you&#8217;re missing is far deeper than I think I can get into, realisticly in a comment section.  But perhaps this very old writing will help you understand where I&#8217;m coming from on this:</p>
<p><a href="http://bitsblog.florack.us/?p=494" rel="nofollow">http://bitsblog.florack.us/?p=494</a></p>
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		<title>By: G Alston</title>
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		<dc:creator>G Alston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 07:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#40 Eric Florack

By the way you may find this useful --

http://www.baen.com/chapters/axes.htm

Social conservatism issues are statism. On the other hand you couch your arguments as if they are the opposite. I find that interesting: it&#039;s ironic, and aparently you can&#039;t see this.

Social conservatives have far more in common with the leftists they despise than they would admit to; it&#039;s an argument re who gets to control things rather than the freedom argument it&#039;s usually cast as (by social conservatives, of course!)

What you have been advocating is statism although a different brand than the leftists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#40 Eric Florack</p>
<p>By the way you may find this useful &#8211;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.baen.com/chapters/axes.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.baen.com/chapters/axes.htm</a></p>
<p>Social conservatism issues are statism. On the other hand you couch your arguments as if they are the opposite. I find that interesting: it&#8217;s ironic, and aparently you can&#8217;t see this.</p>
<p>Social conservatives have far more in common with the leftists they despise than they would admit to; it&#8217;s an argument re who gets to control things rather than the freedom argument it&#8217;s usually cast as (by social conservatives, of course!)</p>
<p>What you have been advocating is statism although a different brand than the leftists.</p>
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		<title>By: G Alston</title>
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		<dc:creator>G Alston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 06:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#40 Eric Florack

Well then, as long as we&#039;re chucking the skivvies and metaphordipping...

Ask any engineer: is the glass half empty or half full? &quot;Neither. It&#039;s the wrong glass.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#40 Eric Florack</p>
<p>Well then, as long as we&#8217;re chucking the skivvies and metaphordipping&#8230;</p>
<p>Ask any engineer: is the glass half empty or half full? &#8220;Neither. It&#8217;s the wrong glass.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Florack</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/getting-back-to-gop-principles/comment-page-1/#comment-250291</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Florack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>G Alston, let me ask you; which is of greater import...

* The machine
* The reason the machine exists?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>G Alston, let me ask you; which is of greater import&#8230;</p>
<p>* The machine<br />
* The reason the machine exists?</p>
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