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1. Ken Hahn:

Again Mr Navarette launches a campaign to do nothing. He dismisses proponents of border control as idiots and says nothing will work so why bother trying. He wants amnesty and nothing else will do.

Build the fence. No one will stop illegals who want to return to Mexico. It is totally dishonest to suggest that it would make return to Mexico harder. Only Mexico can do that. Sanction employers who hire illegals. It is this above all that drives the invasion. Kill the jobs and the flood will dry up. Don’t cry for anchor babies. Their parents could have had them in their own country and can choose to take them home or leave them in care of legal residents. They are citizens by gift of our Constitution, not by any merit. Their parents aren’t.

Ruben, as a Mexican nationalist and a racist, wants his people in at the cost of everyone else. he is as dedicated to la Raza as any National Socialist was to the Volk. Why anyone who favors a race blind America would publish his rantings is beyond me.

Jul 26, 2008 - 4:15 am 2. Bill Millan:

I live in Honolulu and Hawaii has no illegals of any sort. Too hard to get in. We have a lot of service jobs and manage to fill them. Which results in the lowest unemployment rate in the Nation.

If other States around Arizona took the same attitude as that State takes, the illegals would self-deport. And that is what is coming.

Jul 26, 2008 - 5:13 am 3. SK:

Mr. Navarette, you fail to distinguish between legal and illegal immigrants. You say, “So now the Arizona legislature is considering another proposal — one to create a state-run guest worker program that would import a whole new crop of Mexican immigrants. Just think. They might even wind up recruiting some of the same people they just scared off.” And the key word is, “some.” We need to be able to choose who comes into our country, and who does not, as a basic precondition of national security. Your snarky tone and ill-thought arguments add little to the discussion on this topic.

Jul 26, 2008 - 5:45 am 4. JDD:

We are seeing this in Southwest Florida….OB admissions are down 18%, ER visits are down and crime is down. This is with virtually no effort at looking into status with employers. We still have huge numbers of anchor babies on Medicaid and other welfare programs.

Frankly if the Anchor Baby concept was suspended, welfare costs would decline, education cost and medical costs would drop and self-deportation would quickly become fashionable.

Jul 26, 2008 - 6:16 am 5. Tolbert:

Bill Milan,
Bill Millan,

I believe you are wrong.

From KITV 7:47 pm HST July 21, 2008

HONOLULU — Federal officials said they netted 43 illegal aliens in an immigration raid on O`ahu.

U.S. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement Officers executed search warrants over the weekend at the Oasis Apartments complex in Waipahu.

Agents said the aliens were employed by a company called The Farms which does agricultural work. The 43 men were all citizens of Mexico.

Jul 26, 2008 - 6:57 am 6. Jabba the Tutt:

I must confess, I still read Ruben Navarette Jr in spite of the fact that he is entirely predictable. It’s just like slowing down to look at a car accident.

I have one question for Sr Navarette, what if all the illegals coming in were Chinese and not Mexican or other Hispanics? What if they insisted that he speak their language? What if they demanded “social services”, in other words take my property for themselves? What if they condemned him as a racist, if he called for the enforcement of current immigration laws?

Here’s the question: Would Sr Navarette Jr keep his same opinion on open borders?

Jul 26, 2008 - 7:07 am 7. Bobnormal:

I think PJM is just goading their readers into actually doing something about illegal immigrants instead of just talking,Thanks Ruben!See you at the Race war(that your starting),
Bob

Jul 26, 2008 - 7:51 am 8. Buzzm1:

Getting Illegals To Self-Deport

#1. Build the Legislated Fence!!!
#2. Mandate E-Verify for ALL Employees!!!
#3. Mandate E-Verify for ANY Benefit!!!
#4. Stop the Underground Economy!!!
#5. End Birthright Citizenship for Illegals!!!
#6. End Chain Migration!!!
#7. Make English our Official Language!!!
#8. Cut Off Federal Funds to Sanctuary Cities!!!

Nothing More!! Nothing Less!!!

Jul 26, 2008 - 8:18 am 9. Aureliano:

When confronted with difficult problems, Americans jump at simple and pain-free solutions.

As opposed to non-Americans, who are infinitely more receptive to complex and painful solutions. Wouldn’t we describe spilling over the border illegally rather than waiting years to get into our nation an attempt at a ‘pain-free solution’? (Is everybody aware that Ruben Navarrette Jr. graduated from Harvard? Read more for a demonstration of the kind of hyper-intelligence cultivated in Ivy League I’m-a-racist-but-I’m-not-White-so-I-can’t-be-a-racist circles.)

Nowhere is that more clear than in the raucous, and often ridiculous, debate over illegal immigration.

Sure, Ruben, the debate is raucous and occasionally (not ‘often’) ridiculous because everybody is looking for pain-free solutions. Yeah, that’s the ticket. This may be news to somebody such as yourself who is ridiculous enough to believe that Mexico is poor because America is rich, but debates in democracies about important subjects are always raucous, and hack pundits (or academics) can always find the ridiculous somewhere in a debate engaged in by free people exercising free speech. Didn’t they teach you that in your Latino Studies courses at Harvard?

Want to secure the U.S.-Mexican border? Some idiot in Congress will propose a 2,000-mile fence that would only make it harder for the undocumented who are already in the United States to go home.

Don’t be an idiot. You’ve argued in the past that the fence won’t really keep determined Mexicans from entering the United States; now you argue the fence is somehow going to keep Mexicans from LEAVING the United States. Make up your mind already. (Do people know that the first book you ever published was entirely about yourself? Perhaps you should have read a book on logic rather than written a tome about the monumental, universe-shattering experience of being Latino in an Ivy League institution. Oh, the horror!)

The Texas legislature is considering an equally idiotic proposal that ignores the inconvenient fact that these children are U.S. citizens by treating them as if they weren’t to deny them social services.

Sweetie, you’ve been arguing for years that citizenship isn’t important; all that’s important is that Mexicans are poor, that capitalist America isn’t exceptional except by happenstance and exploitation of the poor, and that America therefore owes poor Mexicans (or any Latino) — as reparation for past injustices — jobs, nanny state social services paid for by other people, college admittance regardless of grades, test scores, etc., etc., etc. Please make up your mind, already. Is citizenship important or isn’t it?

(Is the readership aware that Ruben’s charitable giving is ONLY to organizations that benefit Latinos? He has never given to a race-neutral charitable group.)

And then there is this one: Worried that U.S. authorities can’t round up and deport 12 million illegal immigrants, especially since the border is a revolving door when most of those deported come back within weeks?

I thought you’ve argued that a fence (aka, ‘securing the border’) was a dumb idea. Wouldn’t it help stop this ‘revolving door’ and thus render your point, such as it is, moot? That is, if a fence can keep Mexicans in, can’t it keep them out? Please make up your mind. Would a fence be effective or wouldn’t it?

The answer, some say, is to create an environment so hostile and so unwelcoming ….

Hostile and unwelcoming? Ruben, dear God, stop using effete emotional terms. That works with ditzy Oprah watchers, uneducated people who listen to Spanish-language radio, and the relics who still read the editorial page of the San Diego Tribune; it won’t fly here. Some of us know the history of immigration –- namely that ALL immigrant groups in the past had very high rates of return to the home country, and that’s when they had to cross oceans to get home …. The aberration is that so many Mexican illegals enter the U.S. and seldom return to Mexico.

… by doing things like cracking down on employers — that illegal immigrants pack up and leave on their own.

… a phenomenon which you will shortly describe as ‘laughably impractical’. So tell me, Mr. ‘I didn’t need affirmative action to get into Harvard’, how can something that is so LAUGHABLY impractical be a threat to illegals? Last I checked, you need to take something seriously to consider it hostile.

Imagine that. Twelve million illegal immigrants would simply self-deport.

Actually, the argument isn’t that ALL 12 million will self-deport. The argument is that a sizable portion will self-deport, and with a secure border, subsequently get in line and request respectfully, hat in hand, entrance to our nation where they can actually EARN access to benefits, the right to compete legitimately for work, and a plethora of constitutional guarantees.

(Speaking of the right to earn benefits, why don’t you tell the readership, Ruben, about those members of your family who have fought in the various wars for liberation, to end slavery, and to defeat Nazism, Communism, and recently Islamism. Surely you or your extended family has risked or sacrificed SOMETHING substantial over the centuries to the benefit of all Americans, and not just Americans of one race.)

Why, next, we could disband the IRS, put all U.S. taxpayers on their honor to pay their fair share of taxes on April 15th — or face the possibility of a self-audit.

Well, as a sophomore girl in high school might say …. ‘whateva!’. (Do you know that Ruben graduated from Harvard with honors? Can’t you tell by the quality of his arguments that he is a genius of the first order?)

Still, the idea, while laughably impractical, is just simple and pain-free enough to appeal to many Americans.

Funny that you describe it as ‘laughably impractical’. If that’s the case, then why do you write about it so much? Shouldn’t your Harvard-educated mind have moved onto other more important concerns, like how to eliminate the SAT requirement for college entrance (thereby assuring more Latinos getting into college), since this one is so ridiculously impractical? Mmmm ….

Jul 26, 2008 - 8:51 am 10. Ed Wallis:

LET’S TRY THIS A SECOND TIME, AND THIS TIME TRY NOT CENSORING ME:

Ruben writes, “a 2,000-mile fence…would only make it harder for the undocumented who are already in the United States to go home.”

YAH. Uh-huh. And visas would only have made it harder for the 9/11 terrorists who were already in the United States to go home.

Talk about your own “schizophrenia,” Mr. Navarette.

It seems to be the only explanation for the twisted ethics and logic required to coe to such an opinion.

This article, as so much of what this “author” – ahem – “writes,” is an apologia for criminality in the United States.

Jul 26, 2008 - 9:00 am 11. WJ:

To Pajama Media Editors:

I realize that you publish Mr. Navarrette’s opinion pieces to try and present another point of view for your readers, but his lack of writing and logic skills is starting to slightly tarnish your “brand”.

If you want (as it is your site) to have a pro-illegal immigrant writer, could you possibly get a different one. A writer that actually makes logical arguments, not just ad hominem and strawman ones.

Seriously read Mr. Navarrette’s body of work on illegal immigration. Ask yourself if he is actually saying anything new or presenting a coherent point of view backed with some semblance of factual information.

Just two examples in this particular opinion piece.
1) How is comparing illegals self-deporting because they have great difficulties getting jobs due to social security checks with paying your taxes on the honor system a strong logical connection? If illegals come here for jobs and there are no jobs, wouldn’t it make sense that at least a decent number of them would go back to their home country?
2) Mr. Navarrette thinking that the idea of Arizona having a State guest worker program is the same as having illegal immigration. A guest worker program has people who are invited to this country, come LEGALLY, and leave when the work is done. How is that similar to illegal immigration?

Regards,
WJ

Jul 26, 2008 - 9:14 am 12. Aureliano:

Those people point to what seems to be occurring in Arizona, where a state-led crackdown on employers — admittedly, a nice change where authorities pick on someone their own size —

‘Pick on someone their own size’? You have GOT to be kidding me. THIS is why I keep making fun of your Harvard education. Seriously, Ruben, you’re supposed to have an elite intellect: This really is, without exaggeration, high school quality argumentation.

… seems to be one reason that many illegal immigrants are fleeing the state.

I thought you said self-deportation was impractical and wouldn’t work.

But here’s the key: To where are these illegal immigrants fleeing? Proponents of self-deportation like to assume that those who leave are going home to Mexico. But what exactly is waiting for these people in Mexico — a job that pays $6 per day, assuming there is even one to be had there? If illegal immigrants think they have other options, you had better believe they’re going to exercise them.

But what exactly is waiting for these people in America –- a job that pays minimum wage or thereabouts, in a country that is far more expensive to live in than Mexico, assuming they manage to out-compete hordes of other illegals to secure a job? If illegal immigrants think they have other options –- i.e., THE RIGHT EVENTUALLY TO SUPPORT POLITICIANS WHO SEEK TO PASS LEGISLATION GIVING THEM FREE FOOD, SHELTER, CLOTHING, TRANSPORTION, HEALTHCARE, etc. –- you had better believe they’re going to execute them.

This is the key, Ruben: If illegals are turned into citizens they will sponge off fellow citizens with better paying jobs by voting for socialist Democrats. That’s just fine for you –- you’re just another willfully blind racist academic/media socialist, but this country wasn’t founded on the principle of ‘live off of others’. Cultural attitudes about the role of government, commitment to education (not lip service about commitment), etc., etc., etc.. matter a bunch. There is more to the equation than mere economics.

As a footnote to this story, no sooner had Arizonans succeeded in purging at least some illegal immigrants from their midst than they began to worry about who was going to do the jobs that these immigrants used to do –- you know, the jobs that, according to fable spinners like CNN’s Lou Dobbs, Americans would gladly do if only wages were higher.

There is a time lag between the reduction of illegals, an increase in wages for the jobs the illegals were doing, and the filling of those jobs by actual citizens, or in many cases, by teenagers who suddenly realize they don’t have to speak Spanish anymore to get a job at McDonald’s. (Isn’t it amazing how much a Harvard graduate knows about simple economics? It’s truly impressive.)

So now the Arizona legislature is considering another proposal — one to create a state-run guest worker program that would import a whole new crop of Mexican immigrants. Just think. They might even wind up recruiting some of the same people they just scared off.

Ah. So now even a guest-worker program is ‘silly’. I guess it just doesn’t matter that a guest-worker program means that we actually know who is working where and for whom. My God, it’s such a bizarre idea for a modern, fully industrialized 21st century economy to actually have a mechanism for keeping track of its workers. Whose dumb idea is this? (Can you tell that Ruben is a Harvard graduate?)

That’s a perfect example of the schizophrenia that many Americans suffer with when it comes to immigration, illegal and otherwise.

I think you mean “… a perfect example of the schizophrenia that SOME Americans suffer …” Ruben, you’re going to have to decide: Are you just another rancid racialist masquerading as an advocate, a game which no one really falls for anymore (except in the media and academia), or are you going to drop the masquerade and just admit that you’re just another socialist race hustler?

They raise their voices, pound their chests, and declare they’ve had enough of Mexican immigrants …

With all seriousness, it is Latinos who respond most predictably to the machismo of chest pounding and yelling and screaming. It has as much to do with the backwardness of countries like Mexico than any other cultural mechanism. In short, don’t complain about that which you endlessly tout as wonderful.

… along with changes to the culture, language, etc. — only to soften their hard-line when they find themselves craving another helping.

How strange. Where did you get this idea that people ‘crave’ hordes of illegals in their midst? This is truly fantasy, and as accurate an indicator of a sloppy mind as I’ve seen.

I have news for you, Ruben: Without hordes of Mexican illegals, America will happily go on prospering, inventing, innovating, and otherwise showing up for the future. America won’t even blink, and I think it is this that bothers you the most.

Jul 26, 2008 - 9:24 am 13. Morton Doodslag:

Here are some simple painless solutions that Latin America, and especially Mexico seems fond of;

Overpopulated? Run to America.
Can’t find a decent job? Run to America.
Tired of your kleptocratoc government stealing everything, even what is nailed down? Run to America.
Endangered by organized crime, corrupt police, murdering politicians? Run to America.
sick of your government unable or unwilling to provide even its most basic obligations to you and your family? Run to America.

Latin America is blessed with identical resources to ours. They arrived at exactly the same time as we did on this continent. Yet see how their cultures and societies have bungled it? And somehow WE’RE to blame by race obsessed tools Mr. Navarrtte Jr.?

Here’s the best, simplest, most painless solution of them all:
Find yourself impotent? Unable to confront in yourself and your culture of origin those staggering incapacities which bring you low? Filled with secret rage at yourself and the failures of your society, but unable to face the ugly truth for bungling it so completely?

Easy! Run to America and blame Americans. Bash them mercilessly. An knows? It might even get you a nice gig at some lousy Leftist rag in San Diego. God knows you’ll have a seething constituency of fans who are just like you and blame America for all their woes. OK. It’s not exactly painless, especially to the people you’re slandering with your lies and blaming for your own incapacity. More like brainless. But it’s a simple way to shirk the responsibilites you’re unable to fulfil.

Mr. Navarrette’s affinity for his race and culture of origin poisons any sense of fealty he might have for the USA, and nearly all sense of sanity he may possess.

There’s only one redeeming ah

Jul 26, 2008 - 9:40 am 14. 11B40:

Greetings:

Any idea of whom I’m hoping will “self-deport”?

Jul 26, 2008 - 9:58 am 15. Houston:

Wow are y’all a bunch of racists! Eeek, it’s a Mexican – quick, stand on the chair honey, while I get the broom!

I’m assuming none of you are Christians; otherwise you would have read Hebrews 13:2 and would have changed your hateful stance.

Jul 26, 2008 - 11:15 am 16. Cletus:

Rueben you call Lou Dobbs a fable spinner so why don’t you go on his show and debate him? Or do you have the cojones? You know, the gravitas? I’m going to go out on a limb and say you don’t.

Jul 26, 2008 - 11:37 am 17. Ed Wallis:

“Houston,” and oon just what remarks here do you make the ugly accusation that we are ALL “racists”?!

…which includes me, you silly child, and I am NO racist. Ruben makes his anti-American (and occasionally racist) remarks about Americans, yet we critics of his bigotry are supposed to be the “evil” ones?! HA! Where’s your “tolerance,” now, silly child?

Your hypocrisy stinks to high heaven – regardless how closely you may hold your Holy Bible to your heart.

Jul 26, 2008 - 12:54 pm 18. Eric:

If we were being invaded by Chinese or Africans instead of Latinos, Ruben and the entire Hispanic race industry would be having a fit because the Hispanic caucuses in the state and federal legislatures would be losing rather than gaining influence. Amnesty and the Latino support for open borders is nothing more than power seeking. And they, like ALL grievance mongers, use the laws of this great country against it to further their agenda.
If we were being overrun by Russians or some other European peoples I GUARANTEE Ruben would be manning the walls trying to turn back the desperate invading hordes.

Jul 26, 2008 - 2:27 pm 19. Lisa:

Houston,

Wow- you sure told us! When you have no cogent argument scream racism, nativists, blah, blah, blah. Now, go back and consult your leftist playbook for a response.

I have a question for you. Is Danielle Bologna a racist? You may have seen her in the news recently. You see, she lost her entire family when an illegal MS13 gangmember decided to blow her husband and two sons away because they allegedly cut him off in traffic. When this illegal MS13 gangmember was arrested in San Francisco, he was found with a machete, knives and a gun. Oh, and he also had a long criminal record, but, since San Francisco has lost their collective minds, he was allowed to stay and destroy an entire family.

Mrs. Bologna wants the sanctuary policy of San Francisco to stop. DOES THIS MAKE HER A RACIST?!!! WHAT don’t you understand about ILLEGAL?? This is absolute lunacy!

Jul 26, 2008 - 3:55 pm 20. AnnieB:

Excuse me??

If someone comes here of their own free will, why do they not have the ability to LEAVE by the same power?

Call it self-deport, import, export,or any-port-in-a-storm. When people want to move- they will. We just have to give those who have little business or welcome here reason to think they are better off somewhere else. Then – very quickly – many of them will BE somewhere else. Just as, if we do nothing, more and more people will end up here.

Jul 26, 2008 - 5:09 pm 21. irisheyes1169:

Aureliano,

Well said!!

If there were more folks like yourself serving in our congress, I don’t think we’d have half the mess that we currently have.

I get so frustrated with liberal elite, brainwashed fools that are hell bent on running this country into the ground!

Jul 26, 2008 - 8:15 pm 22. AS:

And to think this all started just a few years ago when everyone began to realize that Hispanics (Mexicans, Venezuelans, Bolivians, Puerto Ricans, Chileans, Cubans by the millions, Peruvians and others) along with their Latin cousins (French, Italians, Spanish, Brazilians, Portuguese and others) are now the majority in many states — especially in the Southwest and Southeast.

In Los Angeles alone there are city councils (as in Santa Ana, Riverside, etc.) where the entire council is of Hispanic decent. Kicking out all of the Hispanic illegals, which should be done because they’re here illegally, won’t stop or hinder the fact that Hispanics are the fastest growing population (White and otherwise) in the United States of America.

As far as passing laws that make English the official language; would the Constitution support such an act. And, if cities begin passing ad hoc laws of the same kind, you may just find yourself traveling to Disneyland in the Los Angeles area where Spanish is the official language.

Jul 26, 2008 - 8:51 pm 23. John Moore:

Bill Millan,
Illegals are imported to Kona to pick coffee. Hawaii has illegal hispanic immigrants.

Jul 26, 2008 - 9:03 pm 24. Phineas Worthington:

If all cultures are equal, why does everyone come here?

Jul 26, 2008 - 10:42 pm 25. hal:

AS,

I don’t know in how many states “Latins” of all the sorts you listed are in the majority. The state estimate in CA is about 35% Hispanic currently. I suppose if a bunch of other “Latins” are factored in, the total could be pushed over 50%. I’m 25% Italian. Do I count? If demographic trends in California continue, Hispanics will be in the majority in a few decades at the latest. Will they continue? I guess it depends in part on how many more immigrants arrive and how many of those here leave.

I do know, however, that the official language in California is English (California State Constitution, Article III, Section 6). The fact that Spanish is in wide use in the Los Angeles Area, including Anaheim, does not make it the “official language.”

Jul 26, 2008 - 11:12 pm 26. AS:

CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 3 STATE OF CALIFORNIA

“English is the common language of the people of the United States of America and the State of California. This section is intended to
preserve, protect and strengthen the English language, and not to supersede any of the rights guaranteed to the people by this Constitution.”

hal:

I guess it just means that as a minority language in the Los Angeles metropolitan area, English may be spoken as preserved, but not to the exclusion of any other language.

Jul 27, 2008 - 6:47 am 27. kabud:

Bill Millan:

I live in Honolulu and Hawaii has no illegals of any sort. Too hard to get in. We have a lot of service jobs and manage to fill them. Which results in the lowest unemployment rate in the Nation.

If other States around Arizona took the same attitude as that State takes, the illegals would self-deport. And that is what is coming.

It is a SOLUTION i support.

48 states should register all illegals in 1 month. Deport everyone who is suspicious as criminal or foreign agent of any kind immediately.

Also lists of all those who came from soviet block countries and red china must be compiled and researched from the angle of potential harm and connections to organized crime.

We will solve lots of problems by doing this, exactly like Hawaiians did.

Imagine getting 10% of economic growth
crime levels of the 1950s
morale of 1950s
free enterprise coming back

lots of good things will take place if USA cleans its territory of subversive element and slaves

Jul 28, 2008 - 11:57 am 28. kabud:

Aureliano:

1005 with you.

Morton Doodslag:
very true!

Jul 28, 2008 - 12:07 pm 29. kabud:

WJ:

you know i think same arguments apply to most of the pajamas publications

and i think there is a reason behind it:

pajamas is getting sucked into mainstream plastic made-believe optimistic media attitude

i cant say why, may be there are reasons of advertisers putting pressure

may be serious attitude scares people

but shallow idiotic articles like you can see on the front page where clown by insane name OBAMA is taking 90% of content MAKE ME SICK

we should find another source for FREE THINKER”S INFORMATION AND OPINION

And thank you for YOURS, appreciate it!

Jul 28, 2008 - 11:51 pm 30. hal:

AS:

This is a minor side issue, but in case you are still reading this thread, the part of the CA Constitution (Article III, Sec. 6) continues:
“(b) English as the Official Language of California.
English is the official language of the State of California.”

I just took exception to your statement “…Los Angeles area where Spanish is the official language.” Yes, there are places in the LA area where Spanish is more or less the only language spoken (except by government).

Jul 29, 2008 - 3:57 am 31. AS:

hal:

The quote was a hypothetical. You missed the “If..” part. But you’re right. English is the official language for statewide business.

However, I’m almost certain that the State of California services it’s constituents in various languages because it is incumbent upon the State to serve the public as completely as it can; rather than the other way around.

With almost 70% Spanish-speaking residents in the Los Angeles metro area, most prefer to be served in Spanish. There are other languages the State uses to reach the citizens of California as well. The point being that the State of California is not English-only.

Jul 29, 2008 - 5:34 am 32. Leonard Huff III:

Doesn’t the IRS have the ablility to SHUT DOWN!! a business, any business down TODAY! if that business has fallen behind on PAYROLL TAXES ECT. and Tax payemnts owned to the Government!!!

Simple solultion to a problem!

IF YOU INDIVIDUALLY OR AS OWNER OF A BUSINESS OR COPORATION GETS CAUGHT WITH ONE (1) undocumented worker ( illegal alien) on the payroll guess what? Swift Meat Packer, chicken processors, Joe Blow resturatants, ect. will be SHUT DOWN TODAY! AND BUSINESS ASSETS CHAINED AND ASSESTS SIZED AND SOLD TOMMORROW UNDER WHAT EVER PENALTIES FALLS UNDER NEW IRS CODES THAT THIS SIMPLE PROBLEM FALL UNDER!

Too simple, so moral of story! Pelsois & Reid just don’t get it! Too Simple!!!!!!!

Have a nice day!!!

Jul 29, 2008 - 6:57 am 33. Charlie Klein:

RAMOS AND COMPEAN, are Proof of a violation of “Separation of Powers” as far as I am concerned. President Bush failed to pardon these men, who were doing their job of stopping a Drug Dealer.
The Majority of Congress failed to sign the petition to release the border guards, they must be in the pockets of the Drug Cartels
The Appeals Court, failed to overturn an apparently corrupt court and Prosecutor Sutton who gave a Drug Dealer immunity to bring in more drugs. Shouldn’t Sutton be on the Drug dealers list? He did allow drugs to be brought in with Davila, by giving him the immunity passes.

I believe, that the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial are in all of this together. They seem to welcome Drug Dealers and Illegal Aliens. Fortunately the Constitution of the United States still protects the people, we just have to go after the Courts and our Elected.

Jul 29, 2008 - 7:24 am 34. de Sade:

It is axiomatic that one should always choose the painful solutions over the pain-free ones.

Jul 29, 2008 - 10:00 am 35. kabud:

to: Charlie Klein

You must be right. Drug trafficing started in the 50s by Chinese communist party as explained in detail in here:
Red Cocaine
it is this book

our rotten elites miss out on the fact that drug trafficing will be no doubt used as a method to bring in biological weapon to kill millions of americans if not all of us

Several years ago a civilian woman called cops on some strange activities in bronx, NY (or was it brooklyn, doesnt matter

What was discovered and news organizations reported it too:

26 or more TONS of cocaine.

This means that enemy has an effective method to bring in illegal substance in this astonishing amount without detection by the corrupt law enforcement

26 tons of anthrax
(kremlin is producing it and other killer agents on industrial basis)
has a potential to kill ALL 300 millions of Americans if distributed effectively.

Elitish bastards from DC will die first, because
ATTACK WILL BE DIRECTED TO AFFLUENT AREAS AS A PRIORITY TO DESTROY AMERICAN LINE OF COMMAND AND LEADERS

Jul 29, 2008 - 10:24 am 36. Mabel:

I don’t understand why this debate has to come down to race. America needs immigration but legal and orderly. People come here illegally because there are jobs here and the legal immigration system is terribly flawed. Some of the people that come are no good and commit crimes. But some become real productive members of society and enrich our culture and economies. Let’s try to keep the bad ones out.

A fence is necessary. Any country in the world has a right to guard its borders. That is not up for debate. Once the border is secured, let’s deal with those here that are worthy memebers of society (pay taxes, are in good standng, etc, etc).

As for the current level of raids, I understand they need to happen. But we should be ready to face the consequences, the cost of products and services rising when employers cannot rely on cheap labor anymore.

Finally, I often wonder how illegal immigrants (the hard working ones) manage to earn a living and support their families back home on minimum wages while some americans cannot…you’ll never see an illegal begging for change in the corner.

Jul 29, 2008 - 12:47 pm 37. kabud:

Mabel:

i think it was CATO institute or someone to the effect:

they studied it and concluded that using cheap laborers who work with their hands, without sophisticated machinery , is actually making the cost of everything higher:

because the need to INVENT better ways to improve productivity IS NOT THERE:

For $1-5 an hour u get a slave, a human robot

among the 300 million of Americans there are enough, may be around half of that number those who can `make` children of their own.

We need POSITIVE POLICIES THAT WILL ENCOURAGE HIGHER BIRTH RATES

And we need a return to NORMAL QUALITY EDUCATION in schools and a cleaning of our colleges from marxism IMMEDIATELY

Then in the next 15 years we will solve all the problems with labor and skills of Americans

Jul 29, 2008 - 2:51 pm 38. Navarrette’s broken record « Cadillac Tight:

[...] Posted on July 30, 2008 by The Red Pill In his latest Pajamas Media article entitled “Getting Illegal Immigrants to Self-Deport,” columnist Ruben Navarrette Jr. once again offers up his worn out arguement against [...]

Jul 29, 2008 - 11:59 pm 39. Mabel:

Kabud:

The service industry is a large part of the American economy. It would be interesting to find machines that can fill the service jobs that immigrants take: restaurant and food idustry, hospitality services, cleaning and janitorial services, landscaping, construction, day care and beauty industry…let’s get real. These jobs require people.

Slaves? Give me a break! I’m talking about minimum wage jobs not advocating exploitation.

I don’t know what marxism has to do with it, but yeah, I agree.

As for encouranging higher birth rates, good luck! The already preferential tax credit system doesn’t seem to do it…only the wrong people are having too many kids (the poor who cannot support them).

Jul 30, 2008 - 8:48 am 40. kabud:

Mabel:
find CATO institute analysis.
Service industry :
dishwashing machines
floor washing machines
robots

i read somewhere that axiomatization of manufacturing takes more jobs out of China then China takes out of USA

you are not serious, -

it is not going to remain all that nice in this country unless we change ways we conduct out business

You should make an effort and try to understand how it evolves and what consequences are awaiting. Enough is said on the subject:

but you should stop looking at it as an entertainment issue: if you want to understand- you go and read scientific research by think tanks, compare them, use your brains

marxism in colleges create the attitude you showed in your post. Thats why you dont understand it.

The educational system in usa has serious flaws on the fundamental level:

you actually are not getting educated, but instead they show you funny pictures and make you memorize some methods.

Education requires deep understanding of the whole picture and is only gained thru studying of classics and serious sources.

Try to exercise this kind of approach

Jul 30, 2008 - 11:10 am 41. kabud:

typo should read:

i read somewhere that AUTOMATION

Jul 30, 2008 - 11:19 am 42. arturo fernandez:

The case of Arizona tells us that there are two things causing illegal immigrants to leave. (1) the economy going bad which makes illegal immigrants not needed and so they leave. (2) the government cracking down on employers.

(1) means that (2) is unnecessary. (2) is causing an acceleration of (1)–where illegal immigrants are still needed the government comes in harassing those businesses.

Illegal immigrants responding to economic conditions means they will go where needed and leave when not. That’s the great thing about illegal immigrants.

Before the fence went up it was easier for illegal immigrants to chose going back home when/if our economy turned bad. That is no longer the case. Being so difficult to come back, now they are simply going from one place to another, I guess until every part of the country and every area of the economy turns bad. By harassing businesses that can use illegal immigrants, the government, it appears, is there to help the economy go bad, just so illegal immigrants leave.

Jul 30, 2008 - 5:17 pm 43. arturo fernandez:

Bill Millan said, “I live in Honolulu and Hawaii has no illegals of any sort.” Jul 26, 2008 – 5:13 am

Tolbert said, “Bill Millan…I believe you are wrong….Federal officials said they netted 43 illegal aliens in an immigration raid on O`ahu.” Jul 26, 2008 – 6:57 am

This tells is that Bill hasn’t noticed illegal immigrants, which would suggest that the “problems” illegal immigrants bring to communities are a myth.

Jul 30, 2008 - 5:34 pm 44. arturo fernandez:

Ken Hahn said, “Ruben, as a Mexican nationalist and a racist, wants his people in at the cost of everyone else.” Jul 26, 2008 – 4:15 am

I don’t know Ruben well enough, but nowhere in this article does he say that only illegal immigrants from Mexico should be given amnesty, and nowhere does he say that illegal immigrants should be given amnesty because probably most are Mexican. If Ken Hahn says that Ruben believes those things because he is Mexican, than the racist would be Ken Hahn.

Jul 30, 2008 - 5:41 pm 45. retro:

Why was my comment deleted? For pointing out what a hypocrite Rueben is? PJM should be ashamed of this type of censorship. I did not use profanity, but I did point out the obvious. Maybe that was my “mistake”.

The censorship here at PJM is apparent.

Jul 31, 2008 - 11:44 am 46. deguello:

Arturo: A quick glance at a few of Reuben’s archived screeds will show that he is an poen borders,amnesty enthusiast,and a shill for plutocratic importation of cheap, exploitable immigrant labor.

Aug 4, 2008 - 7:51 am 47. arturo fernandez:

deguello,

Please provide a quote or link where Reuben tells us he favors amnesty for certain races only.

If illegal immigrants come voluntarily it means they’re better off here, otherwise they wouldn’t be here. If they enter into labor contracts with employers voluntarily, it means they’re better off under those agreed terms than not. So I don’t see where they’re being exploited, if employers don’t renege on the terms. It’s important that we give them amnesty to keep employers more honest. I’m guessing you’re using the “exploitation” card to hide your contempt for these people.

Aug 4, 2008 - 4:42 pm 48. deguello:

First of all;I said he supports amnesty I assume that would be ageneralamnesty for all illegal aliens, not just mexicans.Second If you don’t think that ilegal aliens aren’t being exploited,then you probably also think that the media,isn’t biased, that the earth is flat,and that Cuban health care is among the best inthe world.If you are illegal, you cannot enforce any kind of a contract,without risking deportation,the only reason employers will hire you is precisely,because they can exploit you ;not because they are compassionate believers in multiculturalism.Sweatshops and illegal immigration go together,like welfare dependency and the democratic party.

Aug 5, 2008 - 7:23 am 49. arturo fernandez:

deguello,

The accusation was made that he’s racist. I said there was no evidence for that in this post, and you came in to disagree with me. Well, I was asking for proof. If you want to now agree that this post shows no racism, and that anti-illegal-immigrant Ken Hahn has very strange views on “race” and “racism”, that’s fine.

Some employers do exploit illegal immigrants because they have no respect for them as people, something they share with your side. Those who exploit illegal immigrants get their inspiration from the right wing that is constantly dehumanizing illegal immigrants, like Lou Dobbs and Michelle Malkin for example. Why respect them if they’re “illegals”, “criminals”, “gangsters”, “child molesters”…?

But for the most part illegal immigrants are better off here, or they wouldn’t be here. Most American employers who hire illegal immigrants are decent people and don’t exploit them.

Aug 5, 2008 - 5:48 pm 50. levotb:

Navarette is a Communist and a reconquista. He should be run out of Dodge on a rail.

And, as with all Commies and reconquistas, he’s a liar. There are 35-40 million illegals in the U.S., not his paltry 12 million!

He calls Rep. Duncan Hunter, whose Border Fence Bill was signed by Bush, an idiot. Navarette is against everything American and for everything Mexican. He’s what is known as “a fifth columnist”.

The only way to save the nation is to deport all illegals (no exceptions for “humanitarian reasons”), make E-Verify mandatory for ALL businesses and complete the double fence. Then man the Border with National Guard or returning Iraq troops.

Aug 22, 2008 - 9:52 am 51. jvilla:

they were given a chance to leave! now they cannot say they were not told that they will get deported and beleiveme they will not be given 3 months to get it together! this government is giving them food stamps, wic, free school, free school lunches, free medicaid, free welfare checks, free education for their illegal children,free immunizations, free hud housing, free childcare, most of all they get automatic citizenship. if they have an american child they qualify for fema benefits! when so many americans are without jobs the government is giving the all the benefits!

Oct 14, 2008 - 11:43 pm 52. GT:

They are not gonna leave on their own. This was a very stupid thing to even propose. If you really think that the United States can’t shut down borders at any point in time with the military force we have then you really don’t know what you’re talking about. We need the immigrants to work the jobs that people don’t want and they’re doing dishes in the back of a restaurant to keep costs low for producers while I go to college and am able to dine there whenever I feel like it. We need them, but letting too many in will make our country worse off eventually, but we are nowhere close to that. Immigrants, illegal or legal, make up a work force with better ethic than most Americans and they start business which create jobs.

Deport the lazy ones and the ones that abuse the system to waste our tax dollars.

Nov 18, 2008 - 11:42 am 53. pat:

Loved Aureliano:#9. Great retort!
From personal experience:
I have lived in San Diego 22 years. Illegal’s here work under the table. Don’t pay any of the same taxes citizens pay. If they do receive a paycheck with deductions they stole the SS# and have committed fraud and identity thief. And if Mr. Navarrette has never had that happen to him, I wouldn’t wish that on my worse enemy, how difficult that is to straighten out.(The sad secret about that, is that it is mostly fellow Hispanic’s that they completely screw.)
Another fact Mr. Narravette never mentions. Out of wedlock birth rates are soaring within the Hispanic community, because young Hispanic girls have figured out not to get married to get welfare/wic etc. All the time their husbands are living with them and working under the table to. I know these people first hand. This is not hyperholy.
The Law: All 3 cars in our household have dents from illegal’s that when we pulled over they didn’t have drivers licenses much less insurance, so we are left having to pay the money for the minor repair which usually cost from $200-$300. DUI or traffic accidents, Illegal’s don’t show up. I know I work in the courts. They are above the law by being outside of the law. I could go on and on. But, Mr. Narravette doesn’t care about any of this.
He doesn’t care that my Mexican brother-in-law has to compete on bids with contractors that his entire crew is illegal whilst my brother-in-law has to pay all the taxes/fee’s with having a legit business and employee’s paying taxes out of their checks. Mr. Narravette has never run a business. Does he no the cost of Workmen’s Comp. My contractor that hires illegal’s, well his workers get hurt, well they just disappear and another body takes his place. My brother-in-law has one of his best workers leave a large size company because he got sick and tired of all the illegal’s. He found out that illegal’s without experience were making the same amount of money by the time all his taxes where taken out , and he had 15 years experience. The owner said “why should I give you a raise, when I can get these guys for the same price.“ And he is MEXICAN himself. He doesn’t want to work for any employer that hires illegal’s. Many Mexican Americans resent how illegal’s have decimated their wages in the construction trades.
Mr. Narravette doesn’t care about my best-friends son nearly killed in a traffic accident (the doctor said he is only alive because he is a strong young athletic,) by a guy with no insurance, driving a car not in his name and no picture ID, only to have this Vista gang banger (sporting all the Vista gang tattoos and attire) to disappear and never show up for court and the authorities say we don’t think that was his name and a Sherriff Deputy telling the Mother ” oh, he’s probably sitting on a bar stool in TJ now having a margarita.” Quote un Quote!
Mr. Narravette doesn’t want to acknowledge these FACTS!

I use to be a bit Libertarian on immigration. But, no more not since I have lived through it. I do think that the INS should be more efficient and enlarged. I also would consider kids that where brought here as children and can show a high school diploma fast track citizenship with immediate green card status. Everyone else should have to leave the country and apply for a guest worker program, that if they compile with all the requirements of that program, they can apply for green card status in 3 years, then citizenship there after. I don’t have a problems with that.

Sadly, the only thing people like Mr. Narravette would understand is if they have a tragedy happen to themselves or someone in their family at the hands of an illegal immigrant. Right now he can just sit back and pretend none of these lawless and terrible things are happening. And I haven’t even touched on the illegal’s in our prisons and all the ones that skip bail or just never show up to face there crimes like all citizens are required to do. Quite frankly, he can just sit back and imply everyone is racist and all illegal’s are just hard working people.

I hate to burst your bubble Mr. Navarrette, but I have a life lesson for you. Mexicans are no different then anyone else. There are good hardworking Hispainic people, just like millions of Americans from all races/colors/creeds and there are illegal’s that lie, steal, cheat and don’t work so hard just like other people of all races/colors/creeds. That’s the reality of life. A truth that a liberal racist like Mr. Navarrette would never acknowledge. He is to greatly invested in victim hood.
Signed
PaT

Jul 3, 2009 - 3:33 pm

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