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		<title>By: Danny</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/getting-it-wrong-about-atheism-and-science/comment-page-6/#comment-50927</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 10:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Warren, I don&#039;t think the IDers on this thread need anybody help in making themselves look stupid.  The ignorance displayed by people who seem to think they are terribly well read is shocking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warren, I don&#8217;t think the IDers on this thread need anybody help in making themselves look stupid.  The ignorance displayed by people who seem to think they are terribly well read is shocking.</p>
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		<title>By: griefer</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/getting-it-wrong-about-atheism-and-science/comment-page-6/#comment-49197</link>
		<dc:creator>griefer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 00:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>do i have to have go get the Derb?</description>
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		<title>By: griefer</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/getting-it-wrong-about-atheism-and-science/comment-page-6/#comment-49196</link>
		<dc:creator>griefer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 00:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just this part, warren, can u read this?

It’s clear that the Discovery Institute is trying to introduce controversies that don’t exist, while ignoring those that do. That’s why the academic freedom bills it’s promoting are such dangerous things; while supposedly promoting intellectual analysis, they’re actually an attempt to pave the way for MISINFORMATION to enter the scientific classroom.

from arstechnica

why are christians culturally stereotyped as &quot;stupid&quot;?
it must be because you cannot actually read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just this part, warren, can u read this?</p>
<p>It’s clear that the Discovery Institute is trying to introduce controversies that don’t exist, while ignoring those that do. That’s why the academic freedom bills it’s promoting are such dangerous things; while supposedly promoting intellectual analysis, they’re actually an attempt to pave the way for MISINFORMATION to enter the scientific classroom.</p>
<p>from arstechnica</p>
<p>why are christians culturally stereotyped as &#8220;stupid&#8221;?<br />
it must be because you cannot actually read.</p>
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		<title>By: griefer</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/getting-it-wrong-about-atheism-and-science/comment-page-6/#comment-49194</link>
		<dc:creator>griefer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 00:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>can&#039;t you read warren?
lets try this one more time.

Nationwide, nearly half a dozen states are considering variants of such bills, some of which throw in the origin of life and climate change for good measure. Legislators in Florida recently introduced such a bill in response to new educational standards that were the first to formalize the teaching of evolution. Althought two incompatible bills passed the state House and Senate, they died when the legislature went out of session; similar measures are still pending in other states. These bills appear to have originated at the pro-Intelligent Design thinktank the Discovery Institute, and constitute part of its latest effort towards reducing the teaching of evolution in public schools.

Evolution clearly has no shortage of controversies. But none of those controversies involve the basic principles of evolution, and all of them operate within a framework where random mutation and selection play a key role in creating diverse species that are related by common descent. It’s clear that the Discovery Institute is trying to introduce controversies that don’t exist, while ignoring those that do. That’s why the academic freedom bills it’s promoting are such dangerous things; while supposedly promoting intellectual analysis, they’re actually an attempt to pave the way for misinformation to enter the scientific classroom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>can&#8217;t you read warren?<br />
lets try this one more time.</p>
<p>Nationwide, nearly half a dozen states are considering variants of such bills, some of which throw in the origin of life and climate change for good measure. Legislators in Florida recently introduced such a bill in response to new educational standards that were the first to formalize the teaching of evolution. Althought two incompatible bills passed the state House and Senate, they died when the legislature went out of session; similar measures are still pending in other states. These bills appear to have originated at the pro-Intelligent Design thinktank the Discovery Institute, and constitute part of its latest effort towards reducing the teaching of evolution in public schools.</p>
<p>Evolution clearly has no shortage of controversies. But none of those controversies involve the basic principles of evolution, and all of them operate within a framework where random mutation and selection play a key role in creating diverse species that are related by common descent. It’s clear that the Discovery Institute is trying to introduce controversies that don’t exist, while ignoring those that do. That’s why the academic freedom bills it’s promoting are such dangerous things; while supposedly promoting intellectual analysis, they’re actually an attempt to pave the way for misinformation to enter the scientific classroom.</p>
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		<title>By: Warren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 21:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another perfect example, Grief. Nothing more need be said.</description>
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		<title>By: griefer</title>
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		<dc:creator>griefer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 18:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, what this thread illustrates is that Berlinski is a DI stooge who is devoid of integrity and any knowledge whatsoever of the scientific method, and that believers cant be thinkers OR readers.

and if you don&#039;t post my comments i&#039;ll tell the Derb on you.
;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, what this thread illustrates is that Berlinski is a DI stooge who is devoid of integrity and any knowledge whatsoever of the scientific method, and that believers cant be thinkers OR readers.</p>
<p>and if you don&#8217;t post my comments i&#8217;ll tell the Derb on you.<br />
 <img src='http://pajamasmedia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Warren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 18:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, what this thread illustrates (repeatedly) is that the Design so apparant (to scientists of every stripe for hundreds of years) is so scientifically relavent (and politically un-nerving) that modern materialists will ridicule its proponents at every turn, in any way, and at all costs - regardless of science.

Griefer (and the inane number of strawmen that he has invented to lament) is yet another prime example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, what this thread illustrates (repeatedly) is that the Design so apparant (to scientists of every stripe for hundreds of years) is so scientifically relavent (and politically un-nerving) that modern materialists will ridicule its proponents at every turn, in any way, and at all costs &#8211; regardless of science.</p>
<p>Griefer (and the inane number of strawmen that he has invented to lament) is yet another prime example.</p>
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		<title>By: griefer</title>
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		<dc:creator>griefer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 12:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Danny:

This whole comment thread seems to validate the cultural meme that believers CAN&#039;T be thinkers.
And can&#039;t be readers either I guess.
;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Danny:</p>
<p>This whole comment thread seems to validate the cultural meme that believers CAN&#8217;T be thinkers.<br />
And can&#8217;t be readers either I guess.<br />
 <img src='http://pajamasmedia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Danny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 08:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Morely,

Firstly, life is exactly &quot;chemical reactions&quot; unless you are a vitalist - and from before the 19th century...

Thanks for the advice about looking at the work of Chen - look at the link I posted and see who wrote the article...  You may need to get your parents to help with the &quot;scroll&quot; feature of the new-fangled computing device you are operating.

Why does punctuated equilibrium &quot;disprove&quot; Darwinism.  Care to quote a single scientist - starting with Darwin - that claims that Evolution progresses at a constant rate(note this is not the same as a &quot;gradual&quot; rate whatever that means).  Care to show why mutation generating variety and selection weeding out the weaker varieties means that phenotypes MUST show constant change?  I wait for this breakthrough in science with the same baited breath I wait for Deuce to use &quot;pure reason&quot; to come up with the ultimately &quot;true&quot; theory of everything using merely the fact that classical mechanics is false along with the first ever proof of an axiom.  I have to say you IDers have a number of phenomenal advances you are keeping under your belt, I suspect the Discovery institute has got a number of Nobel prizes coming their way.....

If you are going to throw Susskind around you might try reading what he writes and not relying on third-hand Wikipedia articles.  I doubt he would claim to be a &quot;prominent physicist&quot; or the &quot;father of String theory&quot; - Green, Schwartz, Witten, Polyakov and Polchinski might be better choices.  You need to read more than wiki articles based on publisher bumpf and then you wouldn&#039;t make idiotic comments about how SJG &quot;disproved Darwinism&quot; or who a guy who wrote a book whose title is &quot;The Cosmic Landscape: String Theory and the *****Illusion of Intelligent Design*****&quot; has somehow &quot;proved&quot; ID.  Read a book.  It&#039;s fun, trust me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morely,</p>
<p>Firstly, life is exactly &#8220;chemical reactions&#8221; unless you are a vitalist &#8211; and from before the 19th century&#8230;</p>
<p>Thanks for the advice about looking at the work of Chen &#8211; look at the link I posted and see who wrote the article&#8230;  You may need to get your parents to help with the &#8220;scroll&#8221; feature of the new-fangled computing device you are operating.</p>
<p>Why does punctuated equilibrium &#8220;disprove&#8221; Darwinism.  Care to quote a single scientist &#8211; starting with Darwin &#8211; that claims that Evolution progresses at a constant rate(note this is not the same as a &#8220;gradual&#8221; rate whatever that means).  Care to show why mutation generating variety and selection weeding out the weaker varieties means that phenotypes MUST show constant change?  I wait for this breakthrough in science with the same baited breath I wait for Deuce to use &#8220;pure reason&#8221; to come up with the ultimately &#8220;true&#8221; theory of everything using merely the fact that classical mechanics is false along with the first ever proof of an axiom.  I have to say you IDers have a number of phenomenal advances you are keeping under your belt, I suspect the Discovery institute has got a number of Nobel prizes coming their way&#8230;..</p>
<p>If you are going to throw Susskind around you might try reading what he writes and not relying on third-hand Wikipedia articles.  I doubt he would claim to be a &#8220;prominent physicist&#8221; or the &#8220;father of String theory&#8221; &#8211; Green, Schwartz, Witten, Polyakov and Polchinski might be better choices.  You need to read more than wiki articles based on publisher bumpf and then you wouldn&#8217;t make idiotic comments about how SJG &#8220;disproved Darwinism&#8221; or who a guy who wrote a book whose title is &#8220;The Cosmic Landscape: String Theory and the *****Illusion of Intelligent Design*****&#8221; has somehow &#8220;proved&#8221; ID.  Read a book.  It&#8217;s fun, trust me.</p>
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		<title>By: griefer</title>
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		<dc:creator>griefer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 02:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dur, warren, Berlinski is a Discovery Institute stooge.
lets just cite the wedge strategy again, shall we?

&quot;The Wedge Strategy is a political and social action plan authored by the Discovery Institute, the hub of the intelligent design movement. The strategy was put forth in a Discovery Institute manifesto known as the Wedge Document,[1] which describes a broad social, political, and academic agenda whose ultimate goal is to &quot;defeat [scientific] materialism&quot; represented by evolution, &quot;reverse the stifling materialist world view and replace it with a science consonant with Christian and theistic convictions&quot;[2] and to &quot;affirm the reality of God.&quot;[3] Its goal is to &quot;renew&quot; American culture by shaping public policy to reflect conservative Christian, namely evangelical Protestant, values.[4]

The wedge metaphor, attributed to Phillip E. Johnson, is that of a metal wedge splitting a log and represents using an aggressive public relations programme to create an opening for the supernatural in the public’s understanding of science.[5]

Intelligent design is the belief that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not a naturalistic process such as natural selection. Implicit in the intelligent design doctrine is a redefining of science and how it is conducted. Wedge strategy proponents are dogmatically opposed to materialism,[6][7][8] naturalism,[7][9] and evolution,[10][11][12][13] and have made the removal of each from how science is conducted and taught an explicit goal.[14][15]

The strategy was originally brought to the public&#039;s attention when the Wedge Document was leaked on the Web. The Wedge strategy forms the governing basis of a wide range of Discovery Institute intelligent design campaigns.&quot;

Berlinski&#039;s proofless assertation that scientists are drawn to atheism because they are powermad control freaks is just part of the DI strategy of IQ baiting.

so, no.  
you IDbots are not as smart as real scientists.
you just reinforce the cultural perception of christianity having a negative correlation with IQ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dur, warren, Berlinski is a Discovery Institute stooge.<br />
lets just cite the wedge strategy again, shall we?</p>
<p>&#8220;The Wedge Strategy is a political and social action plan authored by the Discovery Institute, the hub of the intelligent design movement. The strategy was put forth in a Discovery Institute manifesto known as the Wedge Document,[1] which describes a broad social, political, and academic agenda whose ultimate goal is to &#8220;defeat [scientific] materialism&#8221; represented by evolution, &#8220;reverse the stifling materialist world view and replace it with a science consonant with Christian and theistic convictions&#8221;[2] and to &#8220;affirm the reality of God.&#8221;[3] Its goal is to &#8220;renew&#8221; American culture by shaping public policy to reflect conservative Christian, namely evangelical Protestant, values.[4]</p>
<p>The wedge metaphor, attributed to Phillip E. Johnson, is that of a metal wedge splitting a log and represents using an aggressive public relations programme to create an opening for the supernatural in the public’s understanding of science.[5]</p>
<p>Intelligent design is the belief that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not a naturalistic process such as natural selection. Implicit in the intelligent design doctrine is a redefining of science and how it is conducted. Wedge strategy proponents are dogmatically opposed to materialism,[6][7][8] naturalism,[7][9] and evolution,[10][11][12][13] and have made the removal of each from how science is conducted and taught an explicit goal.[14][15]</p>
<p>The strategy was originally brought to the public&#8217;s attention when the Wedge Document was leaked on the Web. The Wedge strategy forms the governing basis of a wide range of Discovery Institute intelligent design campaigns.&#8221;</p>
<p>Berlinski&#8217;s proofless assertation that scientists are drawn to atheism because they are powermad control freaks is just part of the DI strategy of IQ baiting.</p>
<p>so, no.<br />
you IDbots are not as smart as real scientists.<br />
you just reinforce the cultural perception of christianity having a negative correlation with IQ.</p>
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