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	<title>Comments on: Getting Our Money&#8217;s Worth in Iraq</title>
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		<title>By: VJ Roads</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/getting-our-moneys-worth-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-93666</link>
		<dc:creator>VJ Roads</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 18:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah James I may be in Camp Spiecher in approx a month, so tell me what where your biggest complaints.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah James I may be in Camp Spiecher in approx a month, so tell me what where your biggest complaints.</p>
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		<title>By: greyhawk</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/getting-our-moneys-worth-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-93294</link>
		<dc:creator>greyhawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 21:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, 
Given an opportunity to comment on anything you wanted you chose to complain that other people hadn&#039;t commented on the topics you wanted them to. An odd choice, but it was yours.

I won&#039;t complain, but will say that&#039;s unfortunate - from the vague hints you left you actually had something worthwhile to contribute to the discussion - knowledge that others lack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,<br />
Given an opportunity to comment on anything you wanted you chose to complain that other people hadn&#8217;t commented on the topics you wanted them to. An odd choice, but it was yours.</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t complain, but will say that&#8217;s unfortunate &#8211; from the vague hints you left you actually had something worthwhile to contribute to the discussion &#8211; knowledge that others lack.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/getting-our-moneys-worth-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-92220</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 00:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No comment of the Ugandan security contractor who shot his South African supervisor in the back (Jan. &#039;08)? No comment on the contractors who were unqualified to do the job they hired on for? No comment on the number of SUV&#039;s being used as personal vehicles by the military and contractors? No comment on racial strife at Victory Base Complex? 
 
I must have been in a different Iraq.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No comment of the Ugandan security contractor who shot his South African supervisor in the back (Jan. &#8216;08)? No comment on the contractors who were unqualified to do the job they hired on for? No comment on the number of SUV&#8217;s being used as personal vehicles by the military and contractors? No comment on racial strife at Victory Base Complex? </p>
<p>I must have been in a different Iraq.</p>
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		<title>By: djaces</title>
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		<dc:creator>djaces</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the cost of the war in Iraq, I see Obama has an ad out decrying the billions in oil revenue the Iraqis have accrued since the war began. I find it greatly ironic that a man who&#039;s followers have been railing for years that we went to Iraq to steal their oil should be implicitly claiming that we really should now be stealing their oil revenues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the cost of the war in Iraq, I see Obama has an ad out decrying the billions in oil revenue the Iraqis have accrued since the war began. I find it greatly ironic that a man who&#8217;s followers have been railing for years that we went to Iraq to steal their oil should be implicitly claiming that we really should now be stealing their oil revenues.</p>
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		<title>By: CPTKevin</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/getting-our-moneys-worth-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-92063</link>
		<dc:creator>CPTKevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 09:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you have missed why this is so much news to the average person in the States. For years we had to listen to how we have &quot;more than enough&quot; soldiers to do the mission. In fact, I remember with you and with Dadmanly discussing this issue. You guys used to tell me I was being unpatriotic and I didn&#039;t know what I was talking about when I would bring up the fact that Rumsfeld didn&#039;t know what the heck he was doing and there should have been a lot more troops there. 

Now, of course the right wing Milbloggers have rewritten history and are basically stating that the &quot;surge&quot; was a brilliant idea brought up by brilliant military strategists. But we know it was simply what many of us said since day one. 

So, why is the use of contractors so big? Well, first, it supports the position many of us have held which is our Military is far too small for our current foreign policy. 

Second, it means our military is DEPENDENT on outside contractors, many who are employing third world labor (not even US Labor), to do anything in the world. You can argue whose fault it is or whether if it is the military too small or the foreign policy too broad, but the fact is we are an impotent Country with an impotent Military right now. Why does Russia role into Georgia and threaten Poland with nuclear weapons? Because we are impotent to fight for what really matters thanks to George Bush&#039;s policies. 

Finally, I think you will find the &quot;news&quot; is not that we have Indians serving you food but that we have contractors carrying guns, providing security, engaging &quot;enemy&quot; forces etc. etc. 

We used to call that a Mercenary Army.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you have missed why this is so much news to the average person in the States. For years we had to listen to how we have &#8220;more than enough&#8221; soldiers to do the mission. In fact, I remember with you and with Dadmanly discussing this issue. You guys used to tell me I was being unpatriotic and I didn&#8217;t know what I was talking about when I would bring up the fact that Rumsfeld didn&#8217;t know what the heck he was doing and there should have been a lot more troops there. </p>
<p>Now, of course the right wing Milbloggers have rewritten history and are basically stating that the &#8220;surge&#8221; was a brilliant idea brought up by brilliant military strategists. But we know it was simply what many of us said since day one. </p>
<p>So, why is the use of contractors so big? Well, first, it supports the position many of us have held which is our Military is far too small for our current foreign policy. </p>
<p>Second, it means our military is DEPENDENT on outside contractors, many who are employing third world labor (not even US Labor), to do anything in the world. You can argue whose fault it is or whether if it is the military too small or the foreign policy too broad, but the fact is we are an impotent Country with an impotent Military right now. Why does Russia role into Georgia and threaten Poland with nuclear weapons? Because we are impotent to fight for what really matters thanks to George Bush&#8217;s policies. </p>
<p>Finally, I think you will find the &#8220;news&#8221; is not that we have Indians serving you food but that we have contractors carrying guns, providing security, engaging &#8220;enemy&#8221; forces etc. etc. </p>
<p>We used to call that a Mercenary Army.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 07:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please give some kudos to the Government Contract Specialists and Contracting Officers who award and administer these thousands of supply, service, contingency and construction contracts.  For every contract, we work our behinds off &#039;til late hours on weekdays and on weekends if necessary, to get solicitations out specifying what the military urgently needs; fairly and properly evaluate prospective contractors&#039; price and technical proposals in accordance with a whole slew of regulations and policies; justify in lengthy, narrative writing who we&#039;re awarding to and why it&#039;s in the Govt&#039;s best interest to award to that company; then, administer the contract through its end by  monitoring the contractor&#039;s performance and ensuring that all contract requirements are completed satisfactorily.  The contractors get praise for their work, but the Government civilian contracting professionals who award and manage those contracts rarely get any kind of recognition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please give some kudos to the Government Contract Specialists and Contracting Officers who award and administer these thousands of supply, service, contingency and construction contracts.  For every contract, we work our behinds off &#8217;til late hours on weekdays and on weekends if necessary, to get solicitations out specifying what the military urgently needs; fairly and properly evaluate prospective contractors&#8217; price and technical proposals in accordance with a whole slew of regulations and policies; justify in lengthy, narrative writing who we&#8217;re awarding to and why it&#8217;s in the Govt&#8217;s best interest to award to that company; then, administer the contract through its end by  monitoring the contractor&#8217;s performance and ensuring that all contract requirements are completed satisfactorily.  The contractors get praise for their work, but the Government civilian contracting professionals who award and manage those contracts rarely get any kind of recognition.</p>
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		<title>By: Subsunk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Subsunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DadManly, GreyHawk and the rest of you folks here do a much better job of explaining how things in the world actually work, then anyone in today&#039;s media. I am constantly amazed by how much better the information is and always has been from Mudville, DadManly, BlackFive, and the rest of the MilBlogs. 

Good job, GreyHawk. As always, I&#039;m proud of you. And I know my contractor buddies agree with all the points you&#039;ve made here. Just because it is expensive to perform these services in a combat zone, doesn&#039;t mean they shouldn&#039;t be done. Let Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid try running Congress without assistants and administrative staff to make their jobs easier.

Subsunk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DadManly, GreyHawk and the rest of you folks here do a much better job of explaining how things in the world actually work, then anyone in today&#8217;s media. I am constantly amazed by how much better the information is and always has been from Mudville, DadManly, BlackFive, and the rest of the MilBlogs. </p>
<p>Good job, GreyHawk. As always, I&#8217;m proud of you. And I know my contractor buddies agree with all the points you&#8217;ve made here. Just because it is expensive to perform these services in a combat zone, doesn&#8217;t mean they shouldn&#8217;t be done. Let Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid try running Congress without assistants and administrative staff to make their jobs easier.</p>
<p>Subsunk</p>
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		<title>By: ajacksonian</title>
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		<dc:creator>ajacksonian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 15:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The change that started in the 1990&#039;s was in logistics with DLA - much of that went contract, as well as taking lessons learned from FedEx and UPS on package movement and delivery.  This is one of the few conflicts I can remember where the actual &#039;boots on the ground&#039; get what they need so long as it is in stock in the system.  When materials ran out it was not due to having them and not transporting them, like body armor or Humvee armor: the stuff hadn&#039;t been made to be in the system.  I am hard pressed to remember a side that is not badly losing a conflict actually not making things fast enough to keep them in the supply chain.  There were major hiccups in the system, but that was due to poor forecasting of need and getting spares.  Congress always skimps there, first.

Coming from the civil side, the contractors usually start out with a contingent of ex-government employees who used to do the job being contrated out.  Generally, and there are exceptions, they get paid better, have better retirement benefits and enjoy their work.  The downside is that when a contract goes under, that skill base disappears, although the new contractor often starts to pick up the personnel to do the job.  In some areas that works very well on the civilian side, like grounds, building maintenance, and the such.  Many government workers pick up &#039;off hour&#039; second jobs doing that due to clearances.  As you head up beyond basic IT and get to specific technical needs, the ability of contractors to perform at or below par cost diminishes: those specific skills aren&#039;t cheap to get.  And even if you have a contractor, someone has to sign-off on the work, which means that personnel get put on that work on the government side.

In the field and in theater, there is no replacement for contractors and working that system into shape means that those who are in the armed forces get to do the actual pointy-end job.  We are long past the &#039;lowest cost always wins&#039; and &#039;best value for the money&#039; means improved services at lower cost.  By being willing to pay more up-front, better services and lower overall total cost is the result, and that matters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The change that started in the 1990&#8217;s was in logistics with DLA &#8211; much of that went contract, as well as taking lessons learned from FedEx and UPS on package movement and delivery.  This is one of the few conflicts I can remember where the actual &#8216;boots on the ground&#8217; get what they need so long as it is in stock in the system.  When materials ran out it was not due to having them and not transporting them, like body armor or Humvee armor: the stuff hadn&#8217;t been made to be in the system.  I am hard pressed to remember a side that is not badly losing a conflict actually not making things fast enough to keep them in the supply chain.  There were major hiccups in the system, but that was due to poor forecasting of need and getting spares.  Congress always skimps there, first.</p>
<p>Coming from the civil side, the contractors usually start out with a contingent of ex-government employees who used to do the job being contrated out.  Generally, and there are exceptions, they get paid better, have better retirement benefits and enjoy their work.  The downside is that when a contract goes under, that skill base disappears, although the new contractor often starts to pick up the personnel to do the job.  In some areas that works very well on the civilian side, like grounds, building maintenance, and the such.  Many government workers pick up &#8216;off hour&#8217; second jobs doing that due to clearances.  As you head up beyond basic IT and get to specific technical needs, the ability of contractors to perform at or below par cost diminishes: those specific skills aren&#8217;t cheap to get.  And even if you have a contractor, someone has to sign-off on the work, which means that personnel get put on that work on the government side.</p>
<p>In the field and in theater, there is no replacement for contractors and working that system into shape means that those who are in the armed forces get to do the actual pointy-end job.  We are long past the &#8216;lowest cost always wins&#8217; and &#8216;best value for the money&#8217; means improved services at lower cost.  By being willing to pay more up-front, better services and lower overall total cost is the result, and that matters.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the post, what impressed this ex contractor was that so many of the trucks, driven by contractors, continued to make the runs from Kuwait up to where ever they went and did so unarmored, turn around, shuffle and repeat.
By-the-by your phone call was most likely possible due to ... contractors.
Regards</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the post, what impressed this ex contractor was that so many of the trucks, driven by contractors, continued to make the runs from Kuwait up to where ever they went and did so unarmored, turn around, shuffle and repeat.<br />
By-the-by your phone call was most likely possible due to &#8230; contractors.<br />
Regards</p>
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		<title>By: Moultrie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moultrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, Greyhawk and Sandra M&#039;s reference to Rwanda &amp; Kenya is spot-on:
&#039;The mob violence Obama’s cousin Raila Odinga engaged in in Kenya after losing the election (Obama campaigned for him, Google it.) could have been nipped in the bud by a group like Blackwater&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Greyhawk and Sandra M&#8217;s reference to Rwanda &amp; Kenya is spot-on:<br />
&#8216;The mob violence Obama’s cousin Raila Odinga engaged in in Kenya after losing the election (Obama campaigned for him, Google it.) could have been nipped in the bud by a group like Blackwater&#8217;</p>
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