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1. Bad Karma:

Ah, good old multi-culturism, Europe is neck deep. When it rears it’s head, go hide, to do otherwise labels one as a racist. Remember, there is no compulsion.

Jun 1, 2009 - 1:19 am 2. Blackwater:

Yeah girls, wear a hijab if you want to look like a freak and a slave. Hijabs are a garment of sexism and oppression and any female that wears one in a Western country has some serious stockholme syndrome. And the double standards for islam in the Western world are getting out of control. As is the foolishness of militant atheist leftists who target all of their energy at destroying Christianity and removing any sign of it from the public but refuse to say a peep about islam. Even though everything that they hate about Christianity islam has in spades. Ignorant, cowardly fools.

Jun 1, 2009 - 3:27 am 3. susan:

we are told that the veil protects the muslim women from the unwanted sexual attention of males.

What does it tell you the fact that this muslim man suggests it for FIRST GRADERS?

Jun 1, 2009 - 3:58 am 4. Terry Gain:

A powerful struggle for values is going on right under their noses — but they are blinded, they are lazy, they are ignorant, they are cowardly. And, quite simply, they do not give a moment’s thought to the Norway of tomorrow.

This is a prescription for cultural death. People too ignorant and cowardly to stand up for their own culture will have the immigrant culture imposed upon them so long as they open their borders to imposing immigrants.

Jun 1, 2009 - 4:49 am 5. allseeing:

thor the thunder god is balls-less and impotent.

Jun 1, 2009 - 6:03 am 6. Martin:

This is an abomination. Hijabs should be banned from all EU schools. These children are being trapped into their cultural relativism by peer pressure from above. They will never be allowed to integrate into mainstream western society and we are enabling the isolationists. Disgusting. Islam is not a religion, it is a totalitarian political ideology for the indoctrination and enslavement of a nation.

Jun 1, 2009 - 6:05 am 7. Winston:

This is an absolutely disgraceful development, who do these people think they are!?

Jun 1, 2009 - 6:15 am 8. Omar:

Hijab is a political marker that sets out the territory of the Ummah and is a physical badge indicating the wearer has submitted to Shariah law. This lets muslims, and in particular males, know that they must comply with Shariah in their interactions with the girl (unlike western girls who may be used and abused at will). This is where muslims get the idea that the hijab “protects” women . . yup, it does “protect” them – specifically, it protects them from MUSLIM MEN – who would otherwise feel no particular obligation to behave “honorably” at all (bno golden rule to worry their little heads for that crew). This is why unveiled women are sometimes subject to such extreme harassment in islamic areas. At this school in the story, they will try to indoctrinate the girls in this way – to think of unveiled women as easy and the failure to wear it as beyond the pale. Basically, it is a horrible encumbrance and imposition that breeds exclusion and contempt on the part of both men and women.

Jun 1, 2009 - 6:35 am 9. Fragmentarian:

Of course, no one would mind the opposite. A teacher telling the few Muslim girls in a class that they would fit in and look better or prettier if they took off the hijab. Yeah right. Muslim Rage Boy would be apoplectic. Blood might be spilled.

Jun 1, 2009 - 6:55 am 10. johan:

Ignorance about Arab culture and European fear of posing as racists have for a long time melted into the amalgam which is being described by this writer.. Ms. Storhaug is one of a handful writers in Scandinavia to engage actively in revealing this struggle, and has a larger following than one might expect. She is outwardly restrained and careful with jibes, so she has so far not been deemed radioactive..
She continues, however, to be active in her media work – naturally OUTSIDE of our national public radio(NRK), which continues to advance the cause of multi-culturalism..

Jun 1, 2009 - 7:14 am 11. pmk:

Susan:
The first graders need to be protected because Mohammed married a six-year-old girl and modern day Muslims still see him as their role model.

Jun 1, 2009 - 7:28 am 12. E Foster:

“Has the assistant principal asked herself the simple question: what is the purpose of dressing up children in hijabs?”

The answer: To shame them for being female. That should be unacceptable to any civilized society, including Norway’s.

Jun 1, 2009 - 8:01 am 13. Bob:

I personally do not wanted to see a Western society that consisted of non-Muslim women dressed like nuns under a religious mandate.

Jun 1, 2009 - 8:37 am 14. Toronto Girl:

I work with a Pakistani woman who is covered from head to foot, save for her face. I asked her why she dresses like that, even though she now resides in Canada. Her reply was the standard brainwashed mantra, “because it is a form of modesty” Does she not realize that by dressing in a bedsheet, with VERY bright colours I might add, she stands out far more than if she was wearing a simple dress or slacks. Hypocracy, thy name is Islam!

Jun 1, 2009 - 8:39 am 15. Markin Dayton:

Take this as a given: were a non-muslim “classroom assistant” to tell little muslim girls that they would look so much prettier without the hijab and to offer to give the little girls jeans and sweatshirts to wear, with parental permission of course, you can bet your last dollar the classroom assistant would be given her walking papers as a result of the uproar from the local muslim community.

The muslim SFO classroom assistant in the story above should be fired and told to stuff her muslim dawa where the sun don’t shine.

Jun 1, 2009 - 9:02 am 16. Iba:

Are we allowed to demand that the entire school be subject to sensitivity training to help them understand the cultural needs and beliefs of the native peoples?

Jun 1, 2009 - 10:24 am 17. James:

One European country wouldn’t permit this: France!

They even ban head scarves.

Jun 1, 2009 - 10:33 am 18. Anonymous:

Sounds like James Clavell’s The Children’s Story.

Jun 1, 2009 - 10:52 am 19. Atiyah:

You all are so ignorant. You know nothing about islam, yet you try to degrade it. The reason the sister tried to encourage the young girl to cover up is for her own protection. People in the western world allow their young girls to half dress. Do you think these little boys are not looking as they come back from summer vacation and see that the girls are wearing bras or getting thicker in places they weren’t before. If you speak about Islam, get the knowledge first and Shukran Jazak’allah to the sisters for giving Dawah.

Jun 1, 2009 - 10:59 am 20. SemperFi:

We know from past history that none of the Scandanavian countries have any backbone. If it had not been for the Allies, they would be speaking German today. The “Go along, to get along,” philosophy will come back to haunt them in the future, when Islamic religion becomes dominate in their countries. Then it will be too late to stand up and be counted.

Jun 1, 2009 - 11:00 am 21. Iba:

Atiyah,

And of course, it’s not on the muslim men/boys to be able to, God forbid, control themselves, right? Though, I suppose since the ‘perfect example’ couldn’t, why should regular muslim males?

Jun 1, 2009 - 11:22 am 22. Avitar:

We know that the Allah was the moon god of the Arabs when recorded history began. We know that Islam celebrates the a day when Mohamed and his thieves fell upon a civilian trading caravan of two hundred slaughtering, robbing and enslaving them as a great victory. We know that only one person wrote the Koran, or perhaps we should say dictated the whole of the Koran, Mohamed, and that no other man added to it. We know that every death row in the west has better men than Mohamed on them.
We know that the Koran says that to lie in the service of the Islam is not sin and so the west cannot trust any Muslim’s words. We know that before Islam the Middle East was the cradle of civilization for thousands of years that Egypt and Persia lead China in advancement until Islam. We know that Europe surpassed the Middle East only after Islam.
We know that only after the Islam was the Silk Road cut and over land trade with China and India ended. We know that the concept of Zero took many decades to make its way across the Islamic world from India where it was invented to Europe even though the Indians sent it to the Muslim rulers.
We do know that the Islamic world was more advance in two hundred years BC than it was two hundred years ago.
We know that Men in every civilization can have a conversation with a naked woman and not treat her like road kill. We know that when we encounter men who treat women like road kill and behave like a pack of hyena, we have met uncivilized barbarians. We know that uncivilized barbarians will try to prey on women no matter what covering they wear or how old they are, six to sixty.
No, you are wrong we do know Islam and it cannot be degraded.

Jun 1, 2009 - 12:17 pm 23. JACKH:

Norway and the rest of Western Europe is doomed. Self satisfied ninnies who will not stand up and revolt against national suicide.

When I was last in Trondheim I spoke to a young woman who was living with her boyfriend. They had one child. She was not going to have another one because he would not marry her. the reaason? They would lose benefits. Norway and the rest of Europe is dying. Say Hello to our future as well.

Jun 1, 2009 - 12:41 pm 24. Mark in Dayton:

Atiyah,

Women in Western civilized countries have no need for the so-called “protection” you falsely claim that emanates from the wearing of the hijab. Women in Western civilized countries – first and foremsot – merely require protection from muslim men and boys who have no control over their learned behavior and criminal impulses as inculcated by islam. No woman in civilized society will ever be made a scapegoat to the barbarism of islam.

Did I say muslim men and boys? Sorry,I didn’t intend to be redundant. Muslim men and boys are one in the same.

Jun 1, 2009 - 1:13 pm 25. Houdini:

The teacher should be fired and the little girls should do whatever they want as far as dress, if there are that many Muslims then they need to dress like all the other people in that country.

Jun 1, 2009 - 2:39 pm 26. Banned by Huffpo:

#19 Atiyah:

Just because Mohammed محمّد was a pedophile doesn’t mean that all males are. Or every little boy, for that matter.

Jun 1, 2009 - 2:40 pm 27. Houdini:

“Can X get a hijab from SFO on Tuesday, March 31, 2009?” No she may not and where can I meet you to give you a knuckle sandwich and can I do it in your class and tear your hijab off prior to doing so then you can put it back on to cover your black eye and bloody nose.

Jun 1, 2009 - 3:05 pm 28. MarkSense:

Can I give you a hijab with a drawing of Mohammed on it? How about Prince, a Star of David, Santa Claus, Christmas trees, Genesis 1:1, the Bill of Rights, Mickey Mouse, the UN Rights of the Child, Cinderella, SpongeBob SquarePants, Katie Couric, or whatever the current headline is on Fark.com?

Jun 1, 2009 - 3:45 pm 29. Zabibi:

As usual, I enjoyed these discussions! Requiring young people in schools to dress religiously is abominable, as many of you said. They should just dress as young people only. The problem is not a religion itself – rather it is simple unabashed ignorance shrouded as ethnic bride and patriarchy.

Jun 1, 2009 - 4:31 pm 30. Oscar the Grump:

Write back Atiyah!

I always wanted to say that.

Jun 1, 2009 - 5:54 pm 31. Eric:

The only question is which EU nation will fall to Islam first and what will be the reaction in the rest of Europe. A large number, but not all, Euros are sissified girly men. Some WILL fight back eventually and it won’t be pretty. An unarmed population is a vulnerable population.

Jun 1, 2009 - 7:01 pm 32. Banned by Huffpo:

#19 Atiyah:

Point of clarification, Atiyah, in case you were wondering; the Mohammed محمّد I was referring to is the author of the Koran, the so-called “prophet of Allah the Moon God,” which thinking people recognize as an agent of Satan.

Hey, bet you want to give me “the full Muslim,” don’t you, buddy? You know, where you take a dull knife and . . . well, you get the picture. Or, you can look it up, just google “Daniel Pearlman.”

Love ya, religion of peace!

Jun 1, 2009 - 7:38 pm 33. Judy, NYC:

let’s see. we have a president who is full of crap, a crappy press, crappy muslims crapping all over the place (watch where you step). the news about the depression is crap, especially the part about itbeing “over”. o, yeah. no jobs, or jobs with salaries that can’t buy food. it’s so “over”. so that, as we know, is crap. when the crap hits the fan, which should be june 4, with barry now claiming he is a muslim, “I even have a muslim name,”he says, “hussein”.
civilization, my friends, has crapped out.

Jun 1, 2009 - 8:00 pm 34. CraigT:

An adaptation I did of a famous poem about Nazis by Pastor Martin Niem?ller.

Muslim outrage:

At first, the Muslims were outraged by cartoons but I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t an artist.

And then the Muslims were outraged by history books and news but I didn’t speak up because I don’t read much.

And then the Muslims were outraged by women who weren’t completely veiled but I didn’t speak up because I’m not a woman.

And then the Muslims were outraged by the practice of other religions but I didn’t speak up because I’m not very religious.

And then the Muslims were outraged by the existence of Infidels so when they came for me … there was no one left to speak up.

The last line is the ultimate goal of Islam the rest are just steps towards that goal.

Jun 2, 2009 - 5:51 am 35. Vinny Vidivici:

Atiyah:

Maybe I’m getting old — and I realize kids mature earlier these days — but I don’t recall lusting after my classmates when I was six or seven. May be I was a slow developer.

I get your point about the way some parents allow their children to dress provocatively.

But we can deal with that without ceaseless stealth attempts like this at dragging us all back to the 7th century. Unlike the West’s decadent so-called leadership classes, many of us are well aware that missionaries the like one in the story above game Western institutions and use the West’s tolerance to advance intolerance.

Jun 2, 2009 - 6:06 am 36. susan:

“I work with a Pakistani woman who is covered from head to foot, save for her face. I asked her why she dresses like that, even though she now resides in Canada. Her reply was the standard brainwashed mantra, “because it is a form of modesty” ”

toronto girl, it was her way to tell you that you are a prostitute and she is not.

try to read between the lines. Muslim women are part of the problem, not of the solution

Jun 2, 2009 - 7:44 am 37. Eowyn:

Atiyah, sexual development — and interest therein — is NATURAL; not something to cover up and pretend doesn’t exist. As Toronto Girl points out, it only makes women more noticable, rather than less, walking around in tablecloths.

As for “protection from men,” Western women also have protection against illegal behavior by men against them. It’s called LAWS.

This ridiculous intolerance has got to stop.

Culturally speaking, I remind you of the old saying, “When in Rome, do as the Romans do.” Otherwise, be quiet or get out.

(P.S. Check out my semi-regular “Muslim Babe of the Day” feature sometime. This issue is a pet peeve, as you’ve no doubt guessed!)

Jun 2, 2009 - 8:08 am 38. Atiyah:

You all fail to realize even in Christianity and Judism, women are suppose to dress modestly. Just because the time has changed doesn’t mean the words from Allah/God of all Mankind has changed. There is nowhere in any of the books/scriptures sent by our Lord does it say as the times change people can change my laws or change what I have relayed to the prophet(s) of your time. People are always talking about going back to a different century. You hear more about Christian men raping women than Muslim men. The modest dress is to protect women from all illegal men. I hope you all change your ways before it is too late.

Jun 2, 2009 - 8:38 am 39. Paul -Indiana:

#38. You hear more about Christian men raping women than Muslim men.
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That’s because the Muslim women have no way of publicising the event. In Western culture, rape is punished. In Muslim culture rape is called ‘marriage’.

Jun 2, 2009 - 8:44 am 40. Eowyn:

What #39 Paul-Indiana said.

And as far as Muslim rape goes, how about flogging some woman after she was gang-raped, and convicting her of “being with an unrelated male?”

http://tinyurl.com/l2wjw2

Jun 2, 2009 - 9:10 am 41. Atiyah:

It is reported, for example, that the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “It is a rude manner of a man to proceed to have intercourse with his wife without first playing with her.” Or “It is a vice in a man to assault his unprepared wife, seeking to satisfy his own lust and leaving her before she could achieve her own fulfillment…”

Islam considers the lawful expression of sexuality, in contrast, is considered a great blessing, even an act of worship.

In contrast, Islam prohibits all expression of sexuality outside marriage, including flirting, kissing, and even holding hands. Therefore rape of anyone of any age, nationality, or religion by anyone of any age, nationality, or religion, is considered to be one of the most serious crimes, punishable, most often, by the death of the rapist.

This is true no matter what the marital status of the victim and of the rapist.

Jun 2, 2009 - 9:29 am 42. Delia:

Men should wear the full-on, head to toe burka because when I glimpse a hairy arm, a bulging muscle or other ‘bulges’, all I can think about is sex, sex, sex.

Jun 2, 2009 - 9:46 am 43. 007:

most of the europeans are pussies, they should have stopped this kind of shit a long time ago, in 20 years i can see europe more close to saudi arabia

Jun 2, 2009 - 9:52 am 44. Paul -Indiana:

#40. Right on. I forgot about the ‘blame the victim’ mentality.

Jun 2, 2009 - 9:54 am 45. Jon Brooks:

Did Atiyah vote for obambi?

Jun 2, 2009 - 10:13 am 46. Atiyah:

Even though he is not MUSLIM, yes I voted for OBAMA…..Am I invading in Republican hate space.

Jun 2, 2009 - 10:28 am 47. Kelly:

We had quite a few Pakistanis in my daughters elementary school in Texas. All the kids dressed in regular western wear, most of the mothers simply wore scarves. One day when I was picking up my daughter in the cafeteria there was a little first grader wrapped head to toe in hijab. That was the first and last time I saw that. I don’t know if it was the school or other parents who stopped it, but after that first day the little girl was dressed in western clothes.

One other time when I picked up my daughter I noticed one of the mothers bouncing into the school to pick up her daughter, she’d let her scarf slip down around her shoulders…as she was walking up to the school an Arab man was sitting in his car and watching her from his rear-view mirror…he pounded on the side of his truck and motioned her over to him…the spring went out of her step, she slowly walked over to him pulling up her scarf as she did so, he evidently read her the riot act for letting her scarf slip. This was not her husband, yet he felt it was his right to reprimand her. Since than I have to sneer when I hear it’s a choice woman make as to what they choose to wear.

Jun 2, 2009 - 10:37 am 48. Eowyn:

#41 Atiyah: “In contrast, Islam prohibits all expression of sexuality outside marriage, including flirting, kissing, and even holding hands.”

Curbing natural pre-sexual behavior is unnatural. NEVER to condone it, but it may be no wonder so many young Islamic men go on rampages.

Getting back to covering your head, since when is HAIR “sexual?”

Also: You didn’t address my gang-rape statement, I see.

Jun 2, 2009 - 10:46 am 49. Atiyah:

Do you people think Chistianity is perfect? Every religion has outcast or people that do what they are not suppose to or sin. We all sin every single day, starting with waking up and not thanking Allah/God for waking us out of our sleep, if not that something else as the day goes on. We are man and not perfect. Should I criticize every wrong or controversial act I see a Christian or Jew doing. You cannot blame a whole religion for what you see one or a group of people doing in that religion. What we do in good is from Allah, what we do in sin is from our own selves and the shaytan/satan.

What one man finds to be sexy varies from the next. Some men only care about what a womans feet looks like or legs or HAIR. Every man and woman are different. What attracts one may not the other, come on that is common sense.

Jun 2, 2009 - 11:24 am 50. Atiyah:

Why don’t we talk about all those little boys being raped in the Catholic Church and how it is kept hush hush. Do you blame every catholic for the or just the one’s that are doing it. Is it stopping you from sending your children to catholic school with the priests and nuns that cover their hair and body.

Jun 2, 2009 - 11:36 am 51. mr whyte:

Sexual harassment of women in Egypt is on the increase and observing Islamic dress code is no deterrent, according to a survey published this week.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7514567.stm

Jun 2, 2009 - 12:09 pm 52. Shyannie:

I can’t imagine why the Norwegian parents would keep their children in a school that is 95% immigrant Muslims. Don’t see a lot to be gained there. Don’t these Norwegian parents have recourse to other schools, or do they want their children hanging out with all these Muslims? I mean, if they treat six-year olds this way, can you imagine what high school would be like?

Jun 2, 2009 - 12:36 pm 53. Kelly:

Atiyah, are you saying our society in general condones the catholic abuse or any other abuse that takes place in religious institutions not to mention the abuse by teachers in our school system? Last time I looked crimes of that nature are punished. In the Muslim world the abuse is often state sanctioned or overlooked such as cases of genital mutilation. Are you going to attempt to defend that as well?

Jun 2, 2009 - 12:45 pm 54. Eowyn:

#50 Atiyah, the Catholic rape story was all over the news for many, many months, so that’s hardly “hush-hush.” As for blaming all Catholics, I WILL blame all of them if they don’t root out that evil from their midst. And while Catholic nuns wear habits, Catholics don’t insist that ALL women wear them.

As for Muslims and pedophilia, how about bacha bazi? http://tinyurl.com/rbzpo3 (and also see http://tinyurl.com/pu96nf )

Don’t use straw arguments.

As for #49, why should women have to hide their appearance? Why can’t men learn to control themselves, instead? You’re not going to have true equality of the sexes when one half of the equation is forced to go around in tablecloths and bedsheets simply because their natural appearance might turn men on.

Guess what? Men get turned on. Here in the West, they’re punished if they act on it in illegal ways. So, they’ve learned to channel their impulses properly and go on about the business of life. WITHOUT putting tarps over women.

Norway should take a tip from France and ban scarves and burqas in schools. You want to pursue such blatantly sexist and discriminatory practices? Then don’t immigrate to a country that doesn’t approve of them.

Jun 2, 2009 - 12:47 pm 55. Atiyah:

It’s funny because people send their children to Catholic School and are not catholic, but that’s ok, right. You people are a bunch of hypocrits and racists

Jun 2, 2009 - 12:49 pm 56. Kelly:

Atiyah, you obviously hate catholics, so what does that make you exactly? By the way, I would still like your comment on female genital mutilation. Is that just a culture thing in your view and totally voluntary like the wearing of hijab?

Jun 2, 2009 - 1:14 pm 57. E Foster:

Atiyah-Why should women be ashamed and cover their bodies? Why do Muslim men think that women’s bodies are something to loathe and fear? Perhaps these ridiculous rules came about because Muslim men have a neurosis about female sexuality and shame about their responses to it? Covering up does not prove the modesty of a woman, nor does it protect her against crime.

Did you every wonder why there should be a different percentage of rapes reported in Muslim countries? It isn’t because one society or another is more biologically disposed towards it-we are the same, biologically. It is because shame of the woman is at the basis of Islam, and thus the society views her as being at fault, rather than the criminal that commits the crime.

Jun 2, 2009 - 1:25 pm 58. Annie:

Often,non-catholics send their children to catholic schools in areas where the public schools aren’t good, often in poor inner-city neighborhoods. Compared to private schools, parochial schools are much less expensive. It’s all about getting their children a solid grounding in the academic basics. Because typically the discipline is better, the kids tend to be better prepared for high school. In most cases, the parents aren’t terribly concerned about the religious aspect, or they might even embrace the ethical foundation their children are getting. The children wear uniforms usually, but it’s not just the girls-the boys do, too.

One thing I noticed when I visited a public Islamic school in the city where I work was that the little boys were free to run around in regular comfortable clothes, while the little girls were elaborately garbed in head scarves and long robes which looked as though they’d be hard to play in. It’s like the little boys are allowed to have a childhood and enjoy some carefree years while the little girls are already being treated like little women. Sad.

Jun 2, 2009 - 1:30 pm 59. Eowyn:

#55 Atiyah: “(P)eople send their children to Catholic School and are not catholic, but that’s ok, right.”

Well, yeah. It IS okay. Why not? Catholics aren’t trying to convert non-Catholic kids, although they’d probably welcome them in if they did want to convert. Often, Catholic schools offer much better education than public schools.

How many non-Muslims do madrassas allow in? How many women, for that matter?

Jun 2, 2009 - 1:34 pm 60. Banned by Huffpo:

I get all steamed up when I see a woman in a head-to-toe burka, with only a pair of big, sultry eyes staring at me.

Ooh-la-la, now that’s HOT!!

Jun 2, 2009 - 1:41 pm 61. Infidel4life:

@ Everyone arguing with Atiyah.

It’s useless, he’s an apologist for the roper’s.

Islam is as islam does, there’s no denying it. You can’t argue with an apologist, all you can do is educate your politicians, friends, and family. Make sure the US doesn’t follow the same path eurabia has.

Jun 2, 2009 - 2:06 pm 62. Eowyn:

#61 Infidel4life, 99 times out of 100 I’ll leave these wrong thinkers to their own narrative — but hijabs and burqas (not to MENTION niqabs, creepy beyond belief) are an especial pet peeve of mine, so I’m going to keep on parrying and thrusting the rapier until I whittle the nonsense down to a pile of worthless chaff.

Jun 2, 2009 - 4:01 pm 63. Ms. Attitude:

Atiyah, do the donkeys need to wear the hijab too?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wC-lwbxSYKs

Jun 2, 2009 - 4:10 pm 64. expat:

islam delenda est

Jun 3, 2009 - 12:55 am 65. Ingalill:

I am so glad women like Hege Storhaug speak out loudly. She is very brave, because even in free and democratic Norway it is natural to be afraid of the threats posed on those who critize Islam. Our politicians are yellow and blind to the development, our leaders have completely failed to integrate these new inhabitants, to help girls forced to marry, wear hijabs, not attend gym or school trips. We even don’t help the girls tortured and killed by fathers, brothers, even mothers, or girls who have their genitals cut off. It is a tragedy for Norwegian values and for the muslim children experiencing to live in a country where they are not allowed to be like their Norwegian friends. IF they try to be FREE they will be punished at home, and no-one helps them. Not their teachers, neighbours, social workers.

Jun 3, 2009 - 2:23 am 66. TJ:

55. Atiyah:
It’s funny because people send their children to Catholic School and are not catholic, but that’s ok, right. You people are a bunch of hypocrits and racists ——————————————
First (without looking it up) what is the definition of Racists ? Typical Liberal BS, when confronted with overwhelm FACTS, Liberals resort to insults. Middle Eastern/Muslim men are the most sexually repressed group in the world. Instead of being taught to respect women, they blame women for their lack of self control. It is a documented FACT, that Iran/Iraq (and so on)Goggle porn and Gay porn more than any other countries. Atiyah, you and your arguments are pathetic.

Jun 3, 2009 - 5:17 am 67. deguello:

Multiculturalism:live it! love it! get used to it Euroweenies!Female circumcision and polygamy will be next!

Jun 3, 2009 - 9:37 am 68. RightThinking:

55. Atiyah:
It’s funny because people send their children to Catholic School and are not catholic, but that’s ok, right. You people are a bunch of hypocrits and racists

Two points here, Yipeeyiyah: First, Christianity is perfect, but Christians aren’t, and that’s why we need a Savior. Second, when you start calling people names like racist and hypocrit (sic), you’ve already lost on the merits of the discussion and now you’re merely trying to beat up the other people because you can’t argue rationally. Go back, regroup, and try again, as bully tactics reflect nothing more than the fact that the real discussion is already over.

Jun 3, 2009 - 1:02 pm 69. Oscar the Grump:

Atiyah
We know how righteous Moslems are, and how well they treat their women. What is an honor killing and what justifies it?

Jun 3, 2009 - 4:28 pm 70. Oscar the Grump:

Atiyah
Why does the Koran say it is all right to murder a nonbeliever?

Jun 3, 2009 - 4:30 pm 71. Oscar the Grump:

Atiyah
Should Jews be beheaded and why?

Jun 3, 2009 - 4:32 pm 72. Oscar the Grump:

Atiyah
We know that Islam is the religion of love and peace. So why are so many people being killed in Islamic countries?

Jun 3, 2009 - 4:34 pm 73. Oscar the Grump:

Atiyah
Do you believe that the USA should be an Islamic nation?

Jun 3, 2009 - 4:35 pm 74. Terry Johnson:

“You people are a bunch of hypocrits and racists”

Atiyah, you are a stupid bigot. islam is a cult not a race. Hatred of islam is NOT racism , it’s merely common sense.

Jun 3, 2009 - 7:18 pm 75. Terry Johnson:

“Therefore rape of anyone of any age, nationality, or religion by anyone of any age, nationality, or religion, is considered to be one of the most serious crimes, punishable, most often, by the death of the rapist.”

Rubbish. Muslims are encouraged to rape infidels. Look at the huge number of Scandinavian women and girls who have been raped by muslim men or muslim gangs. The situation is so bad that Swedish newspapers now don’t refer to the names of the rapists because everyone would see that they were almost all muslims.islam is dragging Europe back to the Dark Ages …God help us.

Jun 3, 2009 - 7:23 pm 76. Ms. Attitude:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUmhVnZnd0I&feature=channel

What we have to look forward to in the USA. There are seven of them, please take the time to watch them all.

Jun 3, 2009 - 8:47 pm 77. Oscar the Grump:

Delia
I have other bulges. The most prominent is around my waste. Do you still think sex, sex, sex?

Jun 3, 2009 - 10:59 pm 78. W:

Islam sucks!

Jun 3, 2009 - 11:55 pm 79. Crazy Islam:

In Europe Islam is a big problem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhjnAVnY5ns

Jun 4, 2009 - 4:47 am 80. Lynn B.:

Atiya……the first “educator” who decides to convince my little girl to hate her femininity by covering the fact she is a female would get a whole lot more then a complaint and a piece of my mind. Men made the rules for Muslim women to control every aspect of their lives, from birth to death. What sickens me to death is the Muslim cultural way of “honor killing” any girl child that doesn’t buy into the male dominated institution of Islamic slavery of women. It is a sick way of life.

Jun 4, 2009 - 8:32 am 81. Lynn B.:

# 38 Atiyah…..where in the Holy books does GOD tell anyone how to dress? Modesty is man’s invention, not GOD’s. Modesty is how one acts, not what one wears.

Jun 4, 2009 - 8:42 am 82. YannC:

In France, wearing hijabs is forbidden if you work for a “public service” (means everything official managed by the state, the nation) : it’s forbidden for adults and it’s forbidden for youngers, both (just to precise : in France, school is 100% free for everybody and is obligatory til the age of 16 and is financed by the “public accounts” (don’t know the correct expression)).

Anyway, a free advice from France, where we know these muslims very well, from a long time and from very different ways of “meeting” them (colonisatiosn, alliances, empire, wars, civil wars, crusades, immigrations, differents kind of immigration, don’t forget our long and viloent and diplomatic history etc. Just trust me , we have in France a much better knowledge about muslims than no one else in Europe, and here is my advice to you gentle norvegians very north far and wondering what’s happening : just prepare to fight hard! Don’t think, don’t doubt, just remember who you are, and fight back. No room for sharing.

And if you think why we don’t do so in France already, the answer is : we do. Hijabs are forbidden everywhere here (not in streets, however).

Jun 4, 2009 - 11:11 am 83. lola:

Obviously, christian european culture et islamic culture are uncompatible, they have completely different values, and muslims are told by the koran to convert infidels, muslims don’t come in peace and don’t come to adopt and integrate themselves to the countries they immigrate in, that’s why islam is a real problem in europe, those two cultures are uncompatible, it is leading europe to its fall. Because of this uncompatibility again, it’s useless to argue with a muslim. We don’t understand each other because we have totaly different cultures and we will never be able to understand each other. they think their culture is better, we think our culture is better. Thoses two cultures have nothing to do together, islam has nothing to do in western countries, in europe. If immigration goes on in europe it will lead either to a war, or to the destruction, the vanishing of the european culture.

Jun 4, 2009 - 1:01 pm 84. Delia:

77. Oscar the Grump:

“Delia
I have other bulges. The most prominent is around my waste. Do you still think sex, sex, sex?”
~

LMAO! Uh…my husband has a prominent bulge around his waist too so he’d probably hope my answer was, “YES”.

Jun 4, 2009 - 4:19 pm 85. bettermakings:

hi, I’m a Catholic. I was highly offended by the Muslim woman. The Catholic Church does not promote the molestation of little boys… NO Catholic does, at all, anywhere in the world. It is wrong and disgusting.

On the other hand, it is a fact that millions of Muslims DO promote & enforce sexism & inequality. Christians do not, at least not in the name of religion. Christians do not tax non-Christians extra, as Muslims often do.

There is no punishment for leaving Christianity, as there is in Islam (many Muslim-majority countries have official death-penalty laws for apostasy, including “civilized” Iran) … NO Christian country has ANY punishments for apostasy.

I can go on & on with examples.

Islam is not freedom. I feel sorry for Muslims. I truly do.

As for the hijab; it is disgusting to think that women should cover themselves instead of men controlling themselves. I think we should all be naked, like Adam & Eve were before the fall. We can see each other naked WITHOUT lusting if we are pure of heart. The Hijab is going in the opposite direction.

By the way, why can’t a Muslim woman have 4 husbands?

Jun 5, 2009 - 7:07 pm 86. templar:

Now it’s time to drop the islam ouf of Europe.
WAKE UP EUROPE !

Jun 8, 2009 - 5:29 am 87. Sophia Swann:

God I hate pushy people! In my ideal world no one would have the power to make anyone else wear (or not wear) anything, including hijab accessories or any other articles of clothing.

In my world a completely naked person would be as normal as the noon day sun.

What’s the difference between Muslim dentists requiring their female patients to wear a scarf over their heads and the universal requirement that beachgoing women wear scraps of cloth over their nipples? Before the sputtering (bbbbbut’s thaaatt’ss diff’rent!) starts, think about it…why is nudity not allowed in public? Think it doesn’t have anything to do with our Judeo-Christian silliness over sexuality in general and the “tempting” form of a woman’s body in particular?

Let’s make sure that when we clean up this mess we also sweep out the piles of crap in our own corners.

Jun 13, 2009 - 10:57 am 88. aisha:

rite…firstly atiyyah or wateverr ur name is..u need to shut the f*** up…cuz ur givin s*** to peeps bout islam….ok….the truth is….muslims wear the head scarf to be modest and not attract attention from boys…ok?….and although i wear the head scarf myself ( i have recently been wishing i dint) i think u shudd only wear it if you WANT to…no cuz of ur folks at home (which is why i wear it) anoo i sound like a hypocrite….but…dont let your parents force you to do summat you dont want to….i did and now i regret it sooooo much…cuz i go to skewll lookin like a f****** terrorist…i get asked loads of questions…i look anti-social…no boy wudd look at me twice…and i wish i dint wear it…..

Jun 14, 2009 - 9:06 am 89. rachiti:

Wearing religious attire in school is a choice that should be allowed. However, SOLICITING new “members” to a religion is not something that should be allowed in an educational institution.

In school, students arrive with the mentality that whatever they are told is the truth (especially at the elementary level). To seduce young girls into accepting religious attire, which has HEAVY political and submissive gender-related connotations, is WRONG!

Advertizing for a religion with pictures is also inappropriate in grade school. Plus, religious organizations already have this type of service though their churches/synagogues/temples. For example, when I was in elementary school in the US, many of my friends went to catechism (religious education) classes on Wednesday nights. I know this because they would all get off the bus at their church. Although I felt left out, my parents explained that it was related to our religious choices. If this had been offered in school, it would have been 100 times worse for me!

***I would have begged my parents to allow me to attend even though it had nothing to do with believing in the religion***

Since religions are perpetuated by “believers”, allowing them to “teach” students, in a public school, about one religion (while ignoring all others) significantly influences children’s’ future religious choices. This right belongs to parents and children (when they’re old enough to understand what they are *really* getting themselves into), NOT to public schools.

I believe women and men should be treated as equals and even Catholicism does not encourage this. This is the 21st century, not the middle ages. Women deserve equal rights and freedoms, which include choosing to dress in ways which do not place them in a subordinate position. For some women this means wearing hijab, for others it means not wearing it —it should be their choice, not something they’re led to believe is the only way to look pretty or be accepted.

Also, for anyone who would assume I am religion “bashing”, I am Christian. My mother is Methodist and my father is Catholic; I attended church with each of them on alternate Sundays until I was in high school. Only then was I old enough to fully understand what my choices were and choose the religion that best fit my beliefs.

Jun 20, 2009 - 11:38 pm 90. rachiti:

83. lola

I agree. The main difference centers on the core of their religious beliefs. In the 21st century, Christianity teaches us to educate ourselves and develop a belief in the religion before taking it on fully (thus religious education classes). Islam, on the other hand, centers on actions preceding belief. If you practice all the symbols of Islam, it is accepted that you will eventually believe. The core of their entire religion is based on accepting everything they are told by their religious leaders as fact. NOT questioning the logical, moral, ethical, or common sense basis for any action is, therefore, the key flaw in their belief system (which is enforced by any Muslim person who shames others for exercising their human right to free will). I admit some extreme Christian religions also encourage their followers not to question their religion; however, at least these people do not force their beliefs on others or make elaborate displays of themselves (minus the former Hitler youth pope). There is no convincing radical Islamists because they cannot think for themselves. They are like rapists – mentally flawed yet perceiving themselves to be correct in their flawed beliefs.

For “normal” Islamic believers, who recognize that rational thought plays a major role in day-to-day living, they are just like the rest of us. I respect their decisions as long as they are based on educated critical thinking. I have friends who wear hijab when they go out in public. They wear it because they feel more comfortable in public that way, not because they feel pressured by Muslim men. I know they are smart, educated women so I respect their choice as a personal decision rather than something forced upon them by a religion or men.

Jun 21, 2009 - 12:29 am 91. eunyunjae:

Don’t talk about this matter if you do know a single thing about other religion.
Try to understand Islam and Christian.

Investigate! Learn both of it! Then you will know which one is true or fake!
Power in your hands!

Jun 22, 2009 - 1:48 am 92. Elizabeth:

I think that women who wear that hijab to conceal themselves makes us– the powerful women look so weak. It hurts to see how these beautiful Iranians cover themselves. Everytime I see an a woman wearing a hijab… I feel like just grabbing it and taking it away from them. Dont allow men to be stonger than you!!!! Be Free Iranians!!!!

Jun 23, 2009 - 9:00 am 93. cristian sucks:

you people are horrible

Jul 23, 2009 - 6:50 pm 94. Mmkay:

For the sake of clarity:

* In Islam, females are not required to cover until they hit puberty and their girly bits become somewhat more attractive. Before puberty, there’s really no point. Anyone expecting their daughter to accept the hijaab because she’s been wearing it from kindy will be in for a wake up call. EXPECIALLY in western countries. I know countless women here in Australia who never expected the hijaab on their daughters at this age for this same reason.

* In Islam, rape is punishable by death. It is the cultural traditions of various nations, dressed up like part of this religion, that have shaped peoples thoughts otherwise. The hadith on this subject is clear. The line between culture and religion has become so blurred that even the vast populace of Muslims can’t see it. Things not in Islam: genital mutilation, honor killings, forced marraiges (actually, according to Islamic law, such marraiges are considered invalid), hijaab from before puberty, the burden of rape falling on women, just to name a few misconceptions.

* Muslim women are equal to Muslim men. Now if someone would only tell the Muslim men this, I would really appreciate it. This is clear from both the Quraan and hadith.

* Many Muslim women CHOOSE the hijaab for themselves. As the daughter of an Irish-Australian convert who choose the hijaab, it does disturb me to read otherwise. My father is a Pacific Islander who was born Muslim and the majority of the women of his family do not wear hijaab. She choose it and faced much criticism from them (and him). Her reasoning: her religion tells her to cover in a way that projects modesty, where she is not making herself fashionable to men other than her immediate family members. She didn’t throw on a burka, but she covered her hair, didn’t wear makeup outside and wore loose clothing that doesn’t reveal her body shape.

Now, someone tell me, if that were the latest fashion trend, such dress would then be acceptable, right? She would be considered empowered. Free. Modern. Strong.

Instead, because she did it for her religion, a personal belief that she felt valid and a good characteristic to possess. But for whatever reason, this is unacceptable. We live in a time where everyone chooses their religion, sexuality, food and clothing according to their own wants, and criticize so freely when it differentiates from the norm. Why should she (an adult) be expected to dress in any other way other than how she chooses best?

***As for the hijab; it is disgusting to think that women should cover themselves instead of men controlling themselves. I think we should all be naked, like Adam & Eve were before the fall. We can see each other naked WITHOUT lusting if we are pure of heart. The Hijab is going in the opposite direction***

Muslim men are supposed to control themselves. They’re also supposed to cover themselves (the minimum being from navel to knee in loose clothing), not look at women who they’re not related to, not mix with them (without necessity, like daily shopping and business needs) in order to avoid causing fitnah, not to even touch them because they have nothing to do with them. Their social side is supposed to be toward their wives, their mothers, their daughters, their sisters, their aunts, etc. They are supposed to show manners and respect to all women when dealing with them. Unfortunately, the Ummah is at a point where many women try to follow their religion and the men want to call themselves Muslim and then do as they please, still expecting the goodness from their women when they do not repay such goodness in return.

I know noone today who is pure of heart. Do you? Does anyone? It’s a wish and a dream. That’s what heaven is for.

The fact is, the Muslim men are bringing the destruction of the Muslim Ummah upon us all. They refuse to follow the religion and exclude their cultural practices from it, bundling it all as one and the same.

***Terry Johnson: Muslims are encouraged to rape infidels. Look at the huge number of Scandinavian women and girls who have been raped by muslim men or muslim gangs.***

And where are they encouraged from? Not from the Quraan. Not from the Hadith. So where, then?

Jul 28, 2009 - 10:50 pm 95. salam:

some of the comments are really stupid !!
some ppl know NOTHING about Islam yet they still talk about it and degrade it !
& stop being so racist !

Aug 26, 2009 - 12:48 pm 96. hijab_wearer:

the hijab is a sign of modesty, a sign of equality between women. just cuz one wears it, does not mean one cannot be beutiful-only now ur beauty depends on how u wear ur hijab, and what clothes u wear with it, instead of the natural beauty tht not evry1 has at the same levels which can cause inequalities in society.with the hijab, ur beauty is more in ur control,ur own hands-it overcomes these inequalities and it empowers u with the freedom of being able to be whatever u want to be-with the confidence u look good.did u know psychologists are now commenting on the serious negative psychological effects on women caused by the image of women as physically perfect sex objects propagated by Hollywood?nowadays thnx to their utter sexual freedom values, women r made to feel that’s all and what they r meant to be- impossibly beautiful-and not be individuals who r respected for their minds and their abilities to change society by being the upright honored dignified person tht she is meant to be.(and this is a problem that the hijab not only solves completely, but prevents from EVER happening in the first place).
and then all women r naturally more beautiful than men anyways- and this is an inequality, to both men and women, that the hijab helps to overcome.

on the contrary, the western representation of absolute freedom to wear whtever one wants, with the less the better- it’s helping to change the definition of a woman from a dignified honored being to that of a sex object, one wanted only for her physical attributes.is this even right? i ask u all out there why do u prefer women as sex objects, and hate and defame the idea of dignity, honor and modesty in a women, which she deserves, and comes with the hijab?what is our world coming too, where is our society going??? where is our humanity, dignity,and honor? what have we all become when we prefer our base desires, our animal sides, our lowest selves, to tht of our mind and spirit,to values, to morals,to strength and virtue, to all that which gives us humanity?

that all said, the hijab is only compulsory for women who have reached puberty. and no one is allowed to force the hijab on anyone, either.
this article does not show force, it just shows a Muslim woman encouraging young Muslims to learn about their beliefs, and how special they are, how every culture deserves to be preserved, every religion honored.

-speaking as a young Muslim woman who wears the hijab with free will.

Nov 11, 2009 - 3:18 am 97. Most Praised:

Alhamdulillah… Well said, hijab_wearer…

Yes, “hijab is only compulsory for women who have reached puberty”… and it is the “amanah” [trust put upon] the parents, especially the father, that those whom are under his responsibility are well taken care of and protected… especially, when a husband [father] can’t always be there [present] for his loved ones. And he is definitely be accountable [to the Almighty] should anything happens to them. As we all know that bad habits are hard to break… and bad habits is easier to be picked up than that of the good ones… it is important to have them be at ease in wearing modestly.

Allah is the Almighty… some may have mistaken with the term “Allah” as the moon god… because Allah in arabic is God [I apologise if this is wrong] long before Islam [the Al Qur'an] arrived.. to be the last “book” to straighten out the much amended holy books before it.

As for the cases of women [rape victims] being charged or had to marry those that had raped them… these are UNFORTUNATELY cultures that many of those who called themselves as Muslims had integrated them into the islamic teaching…

ISLAM do not condone marriage by force… a woman has every right to choose his groom.

Marital love-making [bear in mind, I am not using the word "sex"] is sacred… and doing it with love and respect shall be rewarded by the Almighty.

I pray for all of you… regardless of race and religion… to really understand a religion(s) and not discount it [them]… by the actions of others that called themselves as religion “crusaders” or freedom fighters that claimed to act upon others’ interests… but basically just making things worst… yes, just like one of you were asking why there are still wars and fighting among the muslims… just like other religions too… where centuries after centuries, blood had been spilled on this earth… was it the religion? Or was it MEN [with desires]… regardless of religions that had put this small planet of ours through so much pain?

Religion… is spiritual… and it instills values, moral and respect… it’s a way of life…

I pray and wish you all contributors to this forum a happy and joyous lives.

Nov 19, 2009 - 11:48 pm 98. Yesun:

If You Fear that there is only 1 god, a true god, you would wear a hijab to the the day that we will be judged and punished, you will do it. For others may be optional but you will see at the end…

Nov 23, 2009 - 5:11 am

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