58 Comments

1. Class Clown:

Mr. Holder, prejudice is when you don’t like someone BEFORE you get to know them.

I liked you better when I didn’t know you.

Feb 26, 2009 - 1:52 am 2. Carbon:

Despite the rhetoric, people of “color” have been given a free ride for about a generation via affirmative action. If we really do need to be judged as members of “groups,” rather than on our individual merits, then lets make an honest appraisal of just how each “group” is doing. If the key question for any member of any group is “what are the people from the other group doing for me?” we will come up with a dynamic that the “people of color” don’t really want to see.

Feb 26, 2009 - 2:41 am 3. Bilgeman:

Mr. Siegel;

It is a seldom occurence to read something on the internet with which I can agree and endorse without reservation.

Your essay is a rare pearl in a seabed of oysters.

I hope that you also send this essay hard copy to Mr. Holder and cc’ed to the fellow who claims to have been born in Hawaii.

Very well done, sir.

Feb 26, 2009 - 3:53 am 4. Craig:

The victim card has worked for decades- why would a liberal change what works? That canard has been played over and over ad infinitum.

As many changes as the demobats have promised, that is one they WON’T.

Ever.

Feb 26, 2009 - 4:49 am 5. Butters Dad:

Victimhood is the proverbial goose that keeps laying the golden eggs. And they sure as hell don’t want to kill that meal ticket.

Feb 26, 2009 - 5:25 am 6. Peter the Bubblehead:

Amen, Bill!

Feb 26, 2009 - 5:34 am 7. Steve:

I would just like to know if you include Martin Luther King Jr. whose work to right the wrongs of racism also began decades ago among the race hustlers that you have such contempt for. If you really think that blacks have been playing the victim card since the days of colored water fountains and Jim Crow, you are a very sad individual. Nobody was pretending to be a victim then. Maybe now, but you must be honest and address the past as such.

Feb 26, 2009 - 6:00 am 8. Steve P.:

Bill Siegel says: “Simply stop seeing race and racism everywhere you look. Just as “peace” really needs no “process,” racism can be stopped instantly by ceasing to see everything in terms of “black and white.” Stop clinging to the past, stop demanding that the country be described as racist, stop referring to all the “racial matters” that confront us, stop all of the racial crisis rhetoric, and act as if the country has gotten beyond the racial horrors onto which you and your fellow elites insist upon holding. You will be amazed at what will result.”

Seriously? Just look the other way and pretend it’s not happening? That’s your prescription for ending racism? You know, that might be an option if white mayors of American cities were not e-mailing their black constituents and colleagues with photoshopped pictures of a White House lawn covered with watermelon. Why don’t you pull your head out of your rear and at least make an effort to live in the same country that rest of us do?

Feb 26, 2009 - 6:34 am 9. AnninCA:

Steve, seriously, there are individual jerks around, but weren’t you surprised by that nonsense? I was.

We still have racism and probably always will. How toxic it is to our culture is the question. Racial stereotypes only are toxic if they prevent people from actually achieving their potential because opportunities are shut off based on the false thinking behind the stereotypes.

I see a lot more evidence of toxic sexism in our culture right now than racism.

Feb 26, 2009 - 6:59 am 10. Mayor Ray Nagin:

I want my chocolate city!

Feb 26, 2009 - 7:01 am 11. NCBob:

Does this mean we can start talking about integrating the Congressional Black Caucus? How about the finals at the NCAA next month?

Feb 26, 2009 - 7:06 am 12. Michael:

As usual people are unable to see what is in front of their faces if it doesn’t fit their preconsieved notions.

Is there still racism. Absolutly. Is it pervasive and everywhere? It is if you are determined to see it. If you were looking at it without expectation it wouldn’t be a tenth of what some people are determined to see. That is the truth of this post. And by the way the racism that is there goes both ways. (I can’t wait for the claims that only white people can be racist. LOL)

Feb 26, 2009 - 7:15 am 13. sule:

Minorities have been caught creating their own racist/hate speech assaults.

They write letters, spray paint buildings, and inflict injury on THEMSELVES, then scream racism! Anybody remember the Duke LaCrosse team? How about Twanna and Al Sharpton?

Then, when the facts come out, media types suddenly loose interest. False claims of racism have become such cash cows that even the illegals have jumped on, with predictable results…who wants to expose themselves to the threat of racial charges from opportunist non-whites?

How are people supposed to protect themselves from groups who see $$$ in every white face? With complicity from the courts and media?

A “community service” ad on one conservative talk radio station chides listeners to volunteer to befriend and mentor (you know who)…

Good luck finding anyone willing to take the risk.

Feb 26, 2009 - 7:36 am 14. Lynn:

Race is not the problem. Holder and the other race mongers really have no idea how the American public interacts with one another. They have been sitting in the elite seat so long, they have zero idea how the average American lives, works, plays within the framework of neighborhoods and cities which are totally integrated. Frankly speaking those who continually eschew us about race are making victims of all of us, black, white, hispanic, asian etc;. Most of my friends of color are as sick of the victim mentality expressed by race mongers as I am.

Feb 26, 2009 - 7:38 am 15. Bilgeman:

Affirmative Action and raced-based quotas at some citizens’ expense to the benefit of others?

“No bill of attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.”- US Constitution, Article 1, Section 9

http://geekoutonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/captain_america3.gif

Do not taint us!

Feb 26, 2009 - 7:43 am 16. Vinny Vidivici:

Yeah, I’m sure Holder really wants to talk about a progressive educational mafia which has turned inner city school systems into asylums of dysfunction and underachievement, or the deliberate enfeeblement and promotion of a near permanent underclass composed predominantly of racial minorities by self-interested race-industry bureaucrars, or decades of progressive policies which have undermined and destroyed minority families, or the ready excuses provided for violence and failure provided by a politically-correct media/entertainment industry, or the non-stop, scab-picking agitation of grievance-hustlers and shakedown artists like Al Sharpton. As if the the perpetuation of misery and strife were THE objectives. Now THAT’S racism.

But no, I doubt he’d want to talk about any of that at all. Now who’s the coward?

Feb 26, 2009 - 7:47 am 17. Ken Besig:

Many of us realized that far from being a post racial candidate, or even a serious Christian, Barack Obama would be the most racially charged and Islamically correct leader that America ever elected. Indeed, this charlatan Obama accomplished what Abe Lincoln once derided, he fooled most of the people just long enough to get elected. Well here’s another bon mot from the past, for the Obama supporters, be careful what you wish for, because you are liable to get it.

Feb 26, 2009 - 7:58 am 18. rocketeer:

I completely agree with this letter and completely understand that our “elites” will never give up race-hustling. There’s too much money in it.

As for me, I have opted not to play these games anymore. Anytime there is a race question on a form, I fill in all of the circles. Let them prove that I’m not, it’s more wasted time for them. I don’t care about white guilt, black pride, la raza, or any of the other racial stigmas floating around.

Until we stop thinking that race is important, it’s going to continue to be a problem.

Feb 26, 2009 - 8:20 am 19. Self-hating Boomer:

Despite the rhetoric, people of “color” have been given a free ride for about a generation via affirmative action.

And like many “free” things, it wasn’t worth the price. Everybody loses from this paradigm, save a handful of opportunists who make a living from “community organizing”.

This racialism has to stop not only in the name of absolute fairness, but also so that the minorities who ostensibly benefit from it will stop being owned by it.

Racial spoils is zero-sum thinking. Time to grow up and realize that the zero-sum paradigm applies to the government, but not to the economy. The more you fight over the “piece of the pie”, the smaller the pie gets.

Feb 26, 2009 - 8:51 am 20. Pat J:

It occurred to me since Holder made his comments during a Black History Month event at the Justice Department, he was touching on racial profiling. It may also have been a challenge toward African Americans to recognize the racism within themselves. That’s the real message behind his comments. We don’t talk enough about racial issues, casually dismiss the issue. or fail to see racism when its right in front of us.

Feb 26, 2009 - 9:19 am 21. Mell B:

If you need a stamp to send the hard copy to the fascist let me know. I’ll pay for it.

Feb 26, 2009 - 9:53 am 22. deguello:

Are you crazy Siegel? We are already experiencing a severe recession.Do you want to add the tens of thousands of race baiting protection racketeers(Sharpton, Jackson, Wright,their employees, Affirmative action enforcement bureaucrats and ACORN mortagees),to the unemployment rolls? How about the need to preserve the tenuous sanity of white liberals, who need victims to tolerate their prosperity, and use as a conscience salve? Besides, why would the natiopn’s most successful poverty pimp,want to turn against the ideology which empowered his rise, and renders him immune from criticism,no matter how justified?

Feb 26, 2009 - 10:18 am 23. sule:

If racial profiling takes place in a community, it’s happening because those profiled are also the ones committing the offenses. Period.

The only “discussion” the left wants is to intimidate and indoctrinate those of us remaining who haven’t bought into the lies of Barry and Co.

Feb 26, 2009 - 10:27 am 24. Delia:

Aren’t we as people of the world the HUMAN race? Maybe Mr. Holder should have exchanged the word ‘race’ with ‘ethnicity’ but there are a lot more ethnically diverse people in this country besides people of African decent and so turning everything into ‘black/white’ shows how glaringly obvious the race-card is played by the Liberals.

All of the Liberal pandering to hyphenated African-Americans has only served to dumb their community down and ferry them through the system of hand-outs/leg-ups and keep them as perpetual victims of big, bad, mean society. Liberals don’t do black people any favors by keeping them ill educated and poor and that’s the sad reality of it. When a black person gets ahead on their own merit and intelligence they more often than not see through this Liberal B.S. too. No matter the ethnicity; keeping poor people poor but fed-housed-clothed just enough to keep docile and keeping uneducated people stupid and victimized is the Elite-Limo-Lib mantra.

Feb 26, 2009 - 10:31 am 25. 888:

Holder is a phony just like his boss. If he was a serious Attorney General, he would investigate Obama and the DNC for perpetrating the biggest violation of the US Constitution since its inception — i.e., allowing Obama to be President when he didn’t even meet a basic US Constitution qualification (natural-born US citizen). This mocking and utter disrespect of our Law of the Land will backfire on them and will gain increasing hate and discontent for Obama and his administration. They can continue to blame everything on the “past 8 years” and proclaim “I inherited this recession” to take the focus off the truth about Obama and his total loss of credibility, but the fact remains — Obama is shamelessly usurping the presidency, and the DNC, the Supreme Court, the entire Obama administration and mainstream media is allowing him to get away with it and, thus, are guilty of this horrendous conspiracy.

Feb 26, 2009 - 10:51 am 26. Debra:

I completely agree with this article. I live in the South where you can still see a solid division between the black and white communities but this division is by the black community’s own doing as much as the white community. They could change it if they wanted to. I am personally tired of talking about the “race” issue. I have had Black History month crammed down my throat for the past few weeks and the irony is quite amusing. There has definitely been real ‘black history” made recently with a black man being elected president. Can we let it go now? Can we now teach history in its entirety instead of taking an entire month to try to prove that there has been racism against blacks in our country? I don’t have white guilt nor am I a racist! I do have a real problem with a government that keeps telling me we need to keep talking about race issues instead of moving forward. I guess, what should we expect when it is coming from the top…

Feb 26, 2009 - 12:04 pm 27. monte4amy:

A thoughtful, well written critique and I hope that it somehow gets to Holder and is widely disseminated. I’m forwarding it to my list.

Today I met with a rabid anti-Bush, Obama lover for the first time since before the election and it was obvious to see that she was doubting the Messiah of the Chicago Machine. She practically begged me to agree that it was worth being taxed back to the Stone Age to know that “poor people” all had health care. She was crestfallen when I pointed her to former NY Lt. Governor Betsy McCoy Ross’ article in the Wall St Journal about how Obama’s health plan will mean us baby boomer having to learn to accept death and not spend money on seeking “radical” cures for what may threaten our lives. I asked her how she thought the gov’t was at running programs and she admitted it was a disaster. She finally seemed to be able to connect the various boxes of info she had kept separate for so long. Now that is the kind of hope I’m seeking. We all need to keep doing triage educating of those whose enlightened self-interest, i.e., being a lot closer to poverty, will allow them to remove the biblical “mote” in their eye Mr. Siegel refers to. The cracks in Barack’s wall of support are starting to show but we need to cause a groundswell of opposition to this orgy of spending and power grabbing and wealth re-distribution or else, as Alan Keyes has so precisely stated, America will cease to exist. Sad but true.

Feb 26, 2009 - 12:13 pm 28. Steve P.:

Debra: “I completely agree with this article. I live in the South where you can still see a solid division between the black and white communities but this division is by the black community’s own doing as much as the white community. They could change it if they wanted to. I am personally tired of talking about the “race” issue. I have had Black History month crammed down my throat for the past few weeks and the irony is quite amusing. There has definitely been real ‘black history” made recently with a black man being elected president. Can we let it go now? Can we now teach history in its entirety instead of taking an entire month to try to prove that there has been racism against blacks in our country? I don’t have white guilt nor am I a racist!

So just because you claim you’re not racist, that means that we should get rid of black history month altogether? Oh, I see, you’re from the south. Big surprise. Your whole southern society is built upon a system that enslaved and genetically engineered blacks through selective breeding to be workhorses. It also destroyed their sense of family, made them subject to brutal atrocities and excluded them from white society altogether. And even when the Federal government forced you to stop enslaving them, you continued excluding them from getting basic rights and continued subjecting them to atrocities until the 1960s when the Federal government again forced you morons to shape up. So excuse me for having very little sympathy for southern white people crying about how awful it is that they should feel guilty.

Feb 26, 2009 - 12:57 pm 29. Alfredo:

If Freud were to analyze Mr. Holder, he would find a reverse Uncle-Tom complex. This Oreo complex manifests by showing the white cream outside.

Weak-faced, skimmed-chinned, balding Holder holds a grudge against the whities, much like Michelle Obama in reverse (Hush-hush).

Feb 26, 2009 - 1:50 pm 30. rcraig:

Marc Singer had the perfect line in the movie “See What I Hear”.
Singer played teh part of a blind man in colege.
While sweet talking his girlfriend in bed one night she asked if what his parents would think if they met her. Singer asked, “What do you mean?” Her response< “That I’m black and you’re white, you know.”
Singer responded in an astonished tone, “Oh my God, I’m color blind.”

Feb 26, 2009 - 1:54 pm 31. Michael:

Steven P. Still big into collective guilt. I would be suprised if Debra had even been born in the 60s. Tell me how many people do you know in the south? How much time have you spent there?

By the way I agree that terrible things were done and things didn’t get much better until the 90s but tearing apart the black family wasn’t a southern thing. The black family was very strong until the 60s. LBJ did a great thing with the civil rights laws and then he did a horrid thing with the welfare laws. Once mother and children were better off economically with welfare instead of a husband the family was doomed. Black men (and white) who were poor were made worthless by their own government. What else to do but descend into hedonism to cover the loss.

Feb 26, 2009 - 2:53 pm 32. Roderick Reilly:

Steven P.: Why is it so obsessively important to you that the rest of us “confess” to being racists?

Incidentally, that is EXACTLY what Holder means by calling us “cowards.” He wants white folks to own up to being as racist as they were in the days of Jim Crow.

Sorry, Steve, but you can wait ’til Hell freezes over, and the same goes for that venal cretin of an AG. The country has changed dramatically for the better in the last 40 years. I have been around to see it. We “white folks” “got it” a long time ago, and have nothing to confess.

Feb 26, 2009 - 3:23 pm 33. Peter the Bubblehead:

28. Steve P. wrote:
So just because you claim you’re not racist, that means that we should get rid of black history month altogether?

Peter asks: So, tell me again, when exactly is White History Month? Or Asian History Month? Or Hispanic History Month?

Feb 26, 2009 - 3:36 pm 34. Still Bill:

Bill Siegel: I figured this out a long time ago: a disproportionate number of Black-Americans in this country, when compared to Asian-Americans and White-Americans, can’t compete unless standards are lowered, and the reason why many Black-Americans can’t compete unless standards are lowered is because they have swallowed the BS the Democrat Party has been feeding them for decades. Democrat politicians, white and black, treat black people like children with a pat on the head here, and an all-purpose excuse there, and many black people apparently love it, so why try to achieve when you can blame Whitey Republicans for all your self-made failures. I am convinced if the Democrat Party nominated a dead skunk for public office, 95% of our black fellow citizens would vote for the dead skunk.

Feb 26, 2009 - 3:48 pm 35. Rainboskies:

Steven P: Jim Crow croaked,okay? Please give us all a reference on what current US law institutionalizes racism? What US Code says “Blacks shall not be allowed to do……what?”

Feb 26, 2009 - 3:56 pm 36. Delia:

Still Bill, thank goodness you said a dead skunk and not a dead chimp. *phew*

Feb 26, 2009 - 4:03 pm 37. john from cinncinatti:

now that the Blackman is in charge, how will you Mr.Holder, make it better? If we have or are cowards how will you step up? Please lead us into the promised land. or stfu

Feb 26, 2009 - 5:14 pm 38. john from cinncinatti:

if we have been or are cowards.
how does a member of the executive branch write a law? i thought it was the legislative part that wrote the laws? so Mr. Obama wrote his own stimulus bill? i thought the chimp cartoon was about congress.

Feb 26, 2009 - 5:22 pm 39. Bilgeman:

#28 SteveP:
“So just because you claim you’re not racist, that means that we should get rid of black history month altogether?”

No, we should get rid of Black History Month because IT is racist.

It’s ALL American History, white, black, brown, yellow and red.

Let Captain America remind you of something:

http://captainamericafans.com/files/2008/12/x-captain-america-cc1.jpg

“E Pluribus Unum”

Feb 27, 2009 - 4:53 am 40. obknockious:

Morgan Freeman’s advice on getting rid of racism….stop talking about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO214IFRW1M

Feb 27, 2009 - 8:49 am 41. dilligras:

28. Steve P.:
“So just because you claim you’re not racist, that means that we should get rid of black history month altogether? Oh, I see, you’re from the south. Big surprise. Your whole southern society is built upon a system that enslaved and genetically engineered blacks through selective breeding to be workhorses. It also destroyed their sense of family, made them subject to brutal atrocities and excluded them from white society altogether. And even when the Federal government forced you to stop enslaving them, you continued excluding them from getting basic rights and continued subjecting them to atrocities until the 1960s when the Federal government again forced you morons to shape up. So excuse me for having very little sympathy for southern white people crying about how awful it is that they should feel guilty.”

I am constantly amazed at the ignorance displayed by those who are wont to calling others “moron.” You have no idea about Southern society, mon ami, so spare us the self-righteous, politically correct history lesson, dumbass.

First of all, it was black tribesmen who enslaved and sold their “brothers” to those who could afford the means (ships) to transport them to foreign markets, most of which markets were in SOUTH AMERICA, dumbass.

Second, slavery was an accepted practice nearly worldwide since the dawn of mankind, and in fact, the famous French author Voltaire had a slave ship named after him during his lifetime and was proud of it, dumbass.

Third, most slaves in the South were well treated because it was counter productive to do otherwise, just as it would be foolish to abuse any farm animal that was necessary to get the work done–the anecdotal evidence of this far outweighs its counterpart, despite the fact that it has been ignored by “history,” dumbass.

Fourth, the caucasian race is the only one on the planet to have sacrificed nearly a half million of its youth on the alter of abolition, dumbass.

Fifth, Most who subscribe to your version of history ignorantly propose that Lincoln freed the slaves out of humanitarian considerations, when a simple reading of the Emancipation Proclamation will prove otherwise, dumbass.

Sixth, the War of Northern Aggression was as much about the right of a state to secede from the Union (just as several New England states had threatened during the War of 1812) and the fact that the Northern interests had been using their political power base to RIP OFF the South since they got financially ruined when Russia dumped wheat on the world market after the Crimean War, dumbass.

Seventh, you and your ilk would be well advised to have others merely wonder about your ignorance, rather than open your piehole and remove all doubt, DUMBASS.

Feb 27, 2009 - 10:17 am 42. Becky:

Remember “Not God Bless America – God Bleap America” – you tell me he isn’t racist? He hates white people and our new pres listened to that crud for 20 years – Don’t kid youselves – All of these new taxes are just ‘reparation’ – they are finally getting it, like we are responsible for what happened 200 years ago. Enough is enough!!
Somebody had to.

Feb 27, 2009 - 3:18 pm 43. Becky:

Somebody had to say it!!

Feb 27, 2009 - 3:20 pm 44. jrp61356:

Hey Steve P.:

You apparently have bought into the notion that ALL Southerners are racists, simply based on the past history of the South. Using your line of thought, we could then make the assumption that ALL blacks are criminals simply because a few of them are, or ALL women are prostitutes simply because a few of them are.

As a natural-born Southerner who has lived his entire life in Alabama, I frankly am getting tired of having the South run up the flagpole as the ONLY example in recorded history of slavery and racism. Allow me to burst your bubble with two examples:

(1) In July 1863, just a few days after the battle of Gettysburg, there were massive riots in New York City by whites. The reasons for those riots were two-fold. First, the Union army was about to institute another round of conscription to raise troops to fight in a war that, at that time, was becoming increasingly more unpopular in the North. Second – pay attention, here – part of the planned conscription included raising several all-black units. The racially-enlightened New Yorkers became furious at the notion of serving alongside blacks. Several blacks were lynched, tortured, murdered, and mutilated, including one whose body was set afire after being hanged. An all-black orphanage was torched, although none of the children were injured. Sounds racist to me.

(2) In the mid-70s, there were riots in Boston by whites. What were they rioting about? The plan to desegregate the schools in the Boston area, using busing if necessary. Seems that the good people of Boston thought it a grand idea when busing was forced on the South in the ’60s to create racially-mixed schools. However, when that plan came to roost on their own doorsteps, it suddenly wasn’t such a keen idea anymore. Sounds racist to me.

Am I denying slavery, or that some Southerners are to this day still racist? Of course not. But don’t insult us with your uninformed stereotypes of Southern racism, or the fact that you apparently overlook the fact that racism exists in all societies, all nations, and all races.

Feb 27, 2009 - 10:19 pm 45. 888:

I know a black guy who for the past 3-4 years was kissin’ the a____s of white managers to get ahead. Everyone around the black guy (blacks, whites, Asians, etc.) knew this guy was just one big brown-noser, but this guy didn’t care if you knew that because he was getting the promotions and the fame and the power. He was well-liked by the white leadership because he was fooling them with all his BS. His peers and subordinates all knew he wasn’t carrying his load, and worse, we knew he didn’t know much about his own field. He basically got to his position by BSin’ his way up there. We all knew he was the laziest guy in the organization. In fact, I gave him a couple of urgent and critical assignments because he told me he wanted to learn my field and also to help my staff out, who were constantly swamped and exhausted with work. About 3 months later, after this guy didn’t do a darn thing with the assignments, I took the projects back and assigned them to one of my employees, who speedily completed the assignments with no problems whatsoever. I lost all respect for this brown-noser.

I left the organization, but came back one day on a business trip and I saw Mr. Brown Noser. We spoke, and lo and behold — he told me he was in the process of filing a complaint against his organization’s leadership because he was given a bad evaluation rating and was stripped of his supervisorial duties and power. His complaint was based on…what else? Racism. He said the white managers were treating him badly because they didn’t like black people, especially after Obama was elected. Amazing. When this guy was getting his way and moving up in the career ladder even though he didn’t deserve it, he was all smiles and buddy-buddy with the white folks. As soon as he was found out to be a slacker/do-nothing/know nothing, he screams bloody racism.

This black victim crap needs to stop. I’m an Asian, and I’m sick of the disgusting theater.

Feb 27, 2009 - 10:31 pm 46. 888:

These losers who play the race card and use it as an excuse for their miseries and misfortune in life or as a way to get their way either through EEO complaints, litigation or cheating and lying their way to elected office — these people give blacks and other minorities who are hard-working, sharp, honest, ethical and responsible a really bad name.

Feb 27, 2009 - 10:42 pm 47. David S:

Pretending that racism is extinct is not a responsible way to deal with the real and present discrimination happening throughout our nation. It is more of the cowardice that Holder is railing against.

White guilt is a misnomer – whites don’t feel guilty, because most have not done anything wrong. It is simply more racism, disguised as a “victim” mentality. More cowardice.

Solving the race problems of America will take time and dialogue – pretending that the problems have all been solved is not an answer.

Peace.

DS

Feb 28, 2009 - 7:48 am 48. JackT:

Fifty or so years of failed programs, that btw, were not really designed to help right the wrongs of the past, haven’t even scratched the surface of what’s owed to blacks for 300 years of servitude with no pay. Not all states are guilty, southern slave states owe the most. Non slaves states and the Feds are guilty of discrimination, but the south is guilty of kidnapping and forced labor, not to mention a multitude of other unspeakable crimes. Many countries around the world have been working (or forced) to acknowledge past injustices and pay restitution to victims. But our country has ignored this, and even fought against the mere mention of a simple apology. We will not begin to heal the wounds until we face this. We need an official acknowledgment of past injustices, an apology, followed by a comprehensive program or process to compensate the victims families.

Mar 1, 2009 - 10:16 am 49. dilligras:

JackT said:
“Fifty or so years of failed programs, that btw, were not really designed to help right the wrongs of the past, haven’t even scratched the surface of what’s owed to blacks for 300 years of servitude with no pay.”

Zzzzatso? Well, tell us genius, exactly who’s money you’ll use and exactly which blacks are deserving? How about the descendants of the wealthy blacks in the South who also owned slaves? They’re black, too. How about the descendants of the blacks who attacked and enslaved the men, women, and children of other black tribes and sold them on the slave market? They’re black, too. What about all the descendants of slaves in Brazil, Argentina, Venezuela, Jamaica, etc, etc, ad nauseum? They’re black, too. And by now, many have intermarried with other races, including whites and native Indians. Do they get paid as well, and by whom?
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“Not all states are guilty, southern slave states owe the most. Non slaves states and the Feds are guilty of discrimination, but the south is guilty of kidnapping and forced labor, not to mention a multitude of other unspeakable crimes.”

Zzzatso? Did you know that there were exactly zero slave ships registered in the South? Gee, I wonder whose ships were bringing in the slaves? Couldn’t have been from the sanctimonious Northern states, could they? And these “unspeakable crimes” of which you speak, could it be that your ignorance prevents you from naming them, just as it prevents you from assigning any guilt to the black man for the institution of slavery in the world? Slavery that is TODAY alive and well in AFRICA?? There is ample evidence of Christians being enslaved by Muslims in Northern Africa, so why don’t you carry your victim-seeking BS to where it will really do some good? Could it be that you aspire only to run your bogus guilt trip on the country with the deepest pockets and a liberal media that will pander to your leftist crapola? Nawww, that couldn’t be it…. could it?
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“Many countries around the world have been working (or forced) to acknowledge past injustices and pay restitution to victims.”

Nonsense. If the injustices occurred more than three generations ago, there aren’t likely to be very many of the victims left to pay any “restitution.” All you want is to create victims where none exist, so that you can pretend you’ve done something significant, by doling out money that doesn’t belong to you and isn’t yours to give.
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“But our country has ignored this, and even fought against the mere mention of a simple apology.”

My ancestors were treated like crap when they came to America, but I don’t need your stinkin’ apology, and I don’t want your stinkin’ handout, because money from people like you always comes with a catch. Get someone else to jump through your stupid socialist, power-grabbing hoops.

It was your fellow lefty dumbasses who started the Welfare State and ruined the lives of vast numbers of our country’s poor by promising a monthly check to any woman who had babies out of wedlock–unless she found a father for them, then the checks would stop. So, many men had to forget marriage or leave those depressed areas–and they did leave by the thousands.

So much for the War on Poverty, eh, genius?
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“We will not begin to heal the wounds until we face this. We need an official acknowledgment of past injustices, an apology, followed by a comprehensive program or process to compensate the victims families.”

Horsehockey! What “we” need is for money-grubbing, tax-and-spend lefty dumbasses to get a friggin’ clue. Here’s one (a clue, that is)from Davey Crockett, of the Antebellum South that you so blithely condemn:

http://www.pointsouth.com/csanet/greatmen/crockett/crocket2.htm

Mar 1, 2009 - 2:17 pm 50. dilligras:

For the lefty dimbulbs who think they know something about the South:

[url=http://www.ask.com/bar?q=H.+K.+Edgerton&page=1&qsrc=0&zoom=&ab=0&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.southernheritage411.com%2F]Southern Heritage 411[/url]

“The President of “Southern Heritage 411″ is H.K. Edgerton, a black Confederate activist who works tirelessly to bring the real truth of our heritage to people of all races. H.K. Edgerton has walked thousands of miles carrying his large Confederate Battle Flag through cities and towns and down country roads. He speaks at venues all over the South exposing the many myths of Yankee history and setting the record straight regarding blacks role in the history of the South.

H.K. Edgerton and Southern Heritage 411 strive to illuminate the truth as it pertains to the relationships and experiences of blacks and whites in the South as they have struggled together to maintain the principles of a limited, democratic and representative government as espoused by America’s founding fathers.”

Mar 1, 2009 - 3:53 pm 51. dilligras:

From a Southern Black man, for the lefty dimbulbs who think they know something about the South:

http://www.ask.com/bar?q=H.+K.+Edgerton&page=1&qsrc=0&zoom=&ab=0&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.southernheritage411.com%2F

“The President of “Southern Heritage 411″ is H.K. Edgerton, a black Confederate activist who works tirelessly to bring the real truth of our heritage to people of all races. H.K. Edgerton has walked thousands of miles carrying his large Confederate Battle Flag through cities and towns and down country roads. He speaks at venues all over the South exposing the many myths of Yankee history and setting the record straight regarding blacks role in the history of the South.

H.K. Edgerton and Southern Heritage 411 strive to illuminate the truth as it pertains to the relationships and experiences of blacks and whites in the South as they have struggled together to maintain the principles of a limited, democratic and representative government as espoused by America’s founding fathers.”

Mar 1, 2009 - 3:58 pm 52. Bilgeman:

#50 dilligras:
“From a Southern Black man, for the lefty dimbulbs who think they know something about the South”

You know that they’ll never learn, right?

They already know it all.

That is why it might truly be better if we made our own way, apart from these people, with the shared values we are taught to aspire to, based on the Laws of God as handed down to Moses and the Covenant of the Christ, to guide us.

Let them wallow in the ignorance of their regional bigotry. They’ll simply have to find somewhere else to retire to when the cold gets too much for their aging bones.

Our ancestors were involved in a hideous and inhuman institution, but if mine could drop one end of the chain, and yours could throw off the other, then I think we can make a future worthy of the term for our children.

Not as the quiescent subjects of an imperial and rapacious Federal Government, but as a free association of Equals

We’re doing it already…and it just kills the rest of them.

Mar 1, 2009 - 7:34 pm 53. dilligras:

Bilgeman:
“You know that they’ll never learn, right?
They already know it all.”

That’s ok… I’ll take back America even if I have to do it one lefty dumbass at a time. Why do I not trust the left? Could it be that familiarity has reared the distasteful expectation sired by past offense?

But I can’t really fault them for thinking they know it all, because I can’t remember the last time I admitted I was wrong… it was evidently so deplorable a circumstance that my mind was traumatized to the degree required for a reflexive loss of memory.

Mar 1, 2009 - 9:46 pm 54. Mike Murray:

I invite Secretary Holder to consider my thoughts on the matter. Racial Discourse: http://emmeffemm.com/id121.html

Mar 2, 2009 - 12:25 am 55. dilligras:

Mike Murray:

“I invite Secretary Holder to consider my thoughts on the matter.”

Alas, I fear that Barry Soetoro’s AG is inclined toward an agenda which prevents him from acknowledging such perceptive insights, lest he relinquish his grip on the power derived from his fraudulent race-baiting and pandering to those who would wallow in their mostly imagined, abeit pc media-reinforced victimhood.

Well done, nevertheless, mon frere… a more eloquent rendition of the truth of this issue has ne’er been penned, I’ll wager. Yours is a beacon of reason ‘midst a dark, dangerous forest of moonbat madness.

Would that you could find a forum in a more mainstream venue, for yours is a message that is in desparate need of being shouted from the very pinnacles of our society.

(genuflecting)
Kudos, mon ami.

Mar 2, 2009 - 7:49 pm 56. deguello:

Steven P. There are excellent VD clinics in the South, that could probably cure your tertiary syphilis, please give them a try.

Mar 3, 2009 - 5:37 am 57. Gene Lalor:

Update on America’s White Cowards

From the Better Late than Never Department: More than two weeks ago, new Attorney General Eric Holder ripped into White Americans for their cowardice.

“Speaking to a Justice Department group observing Black History Month, the new AG said, ‘Though this nation has proudly thought of itself as an ethnic melting pot, in things racial we have always been and continue to be, in too many ways, essentially a nation of cowards:’ http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=847.

Two weeks is a long time to allow such an incendiary, racist remark to fester, yet fester away it did until Holder’s boss, President Barack Obama finally saw fit to comment on it. Considering the mild slap on the wrist administered by the boss, it may continue to fester until someone calls on Obama to elucidate his remarks.

The AG had gone on to say, “Americans still self-segregate on the weekends and in their private lives,” but all Obama could muster up was, “I think it’s fair to say that if I had been advising my attorney general, we would have used different language.”

Asked if he agreed with Holder’s racial putdown, according to the International Herald Tribune, Obama ”hesitated for five seconds before responding” then said, “I’m not somebody who believes that constantly talking about race somehow solves racial tensions. I think what solves racial tensions is fixing the economy, putting people to work, making sure . . .” Yada, yada, yada: http://www.iht.com/articles/2009/03/08/america/08race.php

What language would you have used to express that sentiment, Mr. President? And why the long hesitation before responding to whether or not you agreed with Holder’s inflammatory slur? No teleprompter available? And why take two weeks to mull over the AG’s racially-charged words in the first place? If Joe Biden had said that Black people were pusillanimous would you have taken a fortnight to censure him and would you have been so timid in doing so?

That wimpy rebuke did nothing except send another signal that, as far as this administration is concerned, racism is a one-way street on which a Black Attorney General may speed along slandering Whites but Whites had better just shut up and move to the back of the bus.

(http://genelalor.com/)

Mar 8, 2009 - 1:47 pm 58. Quinn. N.:

With all due respect, Bill Siegel is a very confused man. The socioeconomic gap between blacks and whites is very real and due to slavery. Blacks are underrepresented in medicine, law, business and yes, politics. President Obama said it best: “One black President does not erase 400 years of dehumaization, humilitation and racism. This is why affirmative action is not victimhood or nonsense–it is a necessity. How do you think I will feel next year when I walk into my medical school and see nothing but “a sea of milk”. Sandra Bullock’s academy deserving performance in the “blind side” is right on. This country has a lot of work to do.

Nov 27, 2009 - 2:58 pm