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		<title>By: Mitch Jalandoni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mitch Jalandoni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 12:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bought a brand new &#039;86 Grand Prix for $12,500 with 4 years to pay.  At that time it was a considerable amount to pay since it almost double the price when it was finally paid-off. 1st to go was its body which accumulated rust even before I finish the monthly payments. Quality-wise I would not go for another GM product, since I found out its lifetime value was zero when I disposed of it.  Finding out also that GM management pays workers even if they have close their plants or have no production did not sit well with me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bought a brand new &#8216;86 Grand Prix for $12,500 with 4 years to pay.  At that time it was a considerable amount to pay since it almost double the price when it was finally paid-off. 1st to go was its body which accumulated rust even before I finish the monthly payments. Quality-wise I would not go for another GM product, since I found out its lifetime value was zero when I disposed of it.  Finding out also that GM management pays workers even if they have close their plants or have no production did not sit well with me.</p>
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		<title>By: TL</title>
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		<dc:creator>TL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 22:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll NEVER buy a car made by the U.S. government!  No advertising campaign will ever change that.  No great product will ever change that.  No price will ever change that.  If GM were the last &quot;option&quot; out there I&#039;d walk instead.  I just don&#039;t roll that way.  Get that through your thick heads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll NEVER buy a car made by the U.S. government!  No advertising campaign will ever change that.  No great product will ever change that.  No price will ever change that.  If GM were the last &#8220;option&#8221; out there I&#8217;d walk instead.  I just don&#8217;t roll that way.  Get that through your thick heads.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 19:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GM &amp; Chrysler are toast, nothing but wasted tax dollars.

I&#039;ll never buy a GM or Chrysler product, and I like the Challenger, Charger and Camero a lot, but no way no how. 

Ford is still an option in my book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GM &amp; Chrysler are toast, nothing but wasted tax dollars.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll never buy a GM or Chrysler product, and I like the Challenger, Charger and Camero a lot, but no way no how. </p>
<p>Ford is still an option in my book.</p>
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		<title>By: goy</title>
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		<dc:creator>goy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 18:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;@69. Rick:&lt;/b&gt; - Cheebus, goy (68), that’s just depressing. And to think I was actually considering the new Camaro to replace my 20-year-old Toyota at my next opportunity.&lt;/i&gt;

Tell me about it. And this guy LOVES him his cars. He was in tears - it scraped the side of his truck in the driveway on the way down, damaging both considerably. Genuinely depressing.

Even with their new, guaranteed-to-fail &quot;management&quot;, I still wanted a Camaro. Have ever since Mom sold our &#039;68 convertible all those years ago and especially because the new body style is awesome! Unfortunately, it&#039;s style over substance I guess.

This or next was going to be the year to replace my 10-year-old Maxima - even against my better judgment (I contract independently now, mostly telecommute, so I presently log less than 1000 mi/yr - so a &#039;cool&#039;, &#039;fun&#039; car seemed justifiable). My &#039;91 Maxima carried me over 230,000 mi., on one engine and minimal maintenance - it&#039;s at 275k today and STILL being driven, by a third owner, with the original engine! Try THAT with a GM car. A union-owned, union-run shop will never, ever achieve that level of quality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i><b>@69. Rick:</b> &#8211; Cheebus, goy (68), that’s just depressing. And to think I was actually considering the new Camaro to replace my 20-year-old Toyota at my next opportunity.</i></p>
<p>Tell me about it. And this guy LOVES him his cars. He was in tears &#8211; it scraped the side of his truck in the driveway on the way down, damaging both considerably. Genuinely depressing.</p>
<p>Even with their new, guaranteed-to-fail &#8220;management&#8221;, I still wanted a Camaro. Have ever since Mom sold our &#8216;68 convertible all those years ago and especially because the new body style is awesome! Unfortunately, it&#8217;s style over substance I guess.</p>
<p>This or next was going to be the year to replace my 10-year-old Maxima &#8211; even against my better judgment (I contract independently now, mostly telecommute, so I presently log less than 1000 mi/yr &#8211; so a &#8216;cool&#8217;, &#8216;fun&#8217; car seemed justifiable). My &#8216;91 Maxima carried me over 230,000 mi., on one engine and minimal maintenance &#8211; it&#8217;s at 275k today and STILL being driven, by a third owner, with the original engine! Try THAT with a GM car. A union-owned, union-run shop will never, ever achieve that level of quality.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/gm%e2%80%99s-marketing-challenge/comment-page-2/#comment-388989</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 16:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheebus, goy (68), that&#039;s just depressing.  And to think I was actually considering the new Camaro to replace my 20-year-old Toyota at my next opportunity.  Scratch that, now!  Looks like it&#039;ll be a Ford or Ford-owned subsidiary from here on out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheebus, goy (68), that&#8217;s just depressing.  And to think I was actually considering the new Camaro to replace my 20-year-old Toyota at my next opportunity.  Scratch that, now!  Looks like it&#8217;ll be a Ford or Ford-owned subsidiary from here on out.</p>
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		<title>By: goy</title>
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		<dc:creator>goy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Car buying is not about &quot;image&quot; (and please, let&#039;s not confuse a company&#039;s image with the image of a particular product).

Corporatist meddling by the federal government aside, GM will not significantly improve its position in the market until it improves its level of Quality - and that&#039;s spelled with a capital &quot;Q&quot;.

There&#039;s a reason GM was ripe for seizure by the feds. They suck at quality. Image repair won&#039;t help in that regard. No one I know has been satisfied with a GM auto for as long as I can remember. This phenomenon has continued right up through present day, when I looked outside last week to see my neighbor&#039;s 2009 Camaro embedded in our front yard&#039;s flower garden. The parking brake failed to hold the car on the tiny grade &lt;i&gt;in his garage&lt;/i&gt;! The car rolled back, out of the garage, down the driveway, across the street and into our yard. Thank God no kids or another car happened to be in its path.

A quick search revealed that this problem is not unique to my neighbor, and caused by a cost-cutting, crap design that GM has been using for years. In this case, it&#039;s &quot;too expensive&quot; to design a PB that engages the brakes, so a low-quality drum brake is activated by the PB - which is only reliable when the vehicle is in a nose-down orientation.

Quality. That&#039;s capital &quot;Q&quot;. Write it down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Car buying is not about &#8220;image&#8221; (and please, let&#8217;s not confuse a company&#8217;s image with the image of a particular product).</p>
<p>Corporatist meddling by the federal government aside, GM will not significantly improve its position in the market until it improves its level of Quality &#8211; and that&#8217;s spelled with a capital &#8220;Q&#8221;.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a reason GM was ripe for seizure by the feds. They suck at quality. Image repair won&#8217;t help in that regard. No one I know has been satisfied with a GM auto for as long as I can remember. This phenomenon has continued right up through present day, when I looked outside last week to see my neighbor&#8217;s 2009 Camaro embedded in our front yard&#8217;s flower garden. The parking brake failed to hold the car on the tiny grade <i>in his garage</i>! The car rolled back, out of the garage, down the driveway, across the street and into our yard. Thank God no kids or another car happened to be in its path.</p>
<p>A quick search revealed that this problem is not unique to my neighbor, and caused by a cost-cutting, crap design that GM has been using for years. In this case, it&#8217;s &#8220;too expensive&#8221; to design a PB that engages the brakes, so a low-quality drum brake is activated by the PB &#8211; which is only reliable when the vehicle is in a nose-down orientation.</p>
<p>Quality. That&#8217;s capital &#8220;Q&#8221;. Write it down.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 12:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had two bad GM cars (from GM dealers) in the 1980s, one new and one used.  Horrible experiences.  Since then I&#039;ve owned several new Japanese cars.  Not fond of Nissan but Toyota and Honda cannot be beat.

Combined with the government bailout, I never intend to buy a GM product again.

Forget about Chrysler.  Six sigma designed to fall apart after 6 or 7 years.  Real smart to have the secondary car market impression of your car being junk.  Young buyers start in the secondary market.  After experiencing Chrysler as a used car, why would you ever buy a new one?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had two bad GM cars (from GM dealers) in the 1980s, one new and one used.  Horrible experiences.  Since then I&#8217;ve owned several new Japanese cars.  Not fond of Nissan but Toyota and Honda cannot be beat.</p>
<p>Combined with the government bailout, I never intend to buy a GM product again.</p>
<p>Forget about Chrysler.  Six sigma designed to fall apart after 6 or 7 years.  Real smart to have the secondary car market impression of your car being junk.  Young buyers start in the secondary market.  After experiencing Chrysler as a used car, why would you ever buy a new one?</p>
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		<title>By: blackwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>blackwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 18:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lynn at 65:

Would I be better off in an indifferently assembled GM &quot;car&quot; that breaks down on the way to work and consumes more of my repair budget? 

Would the US be better with millions of GM owners spending more on their cars than they should to suport a bloated GM and UAW?  (and reward sloppy workers and cluless management?)

Me and my family are better off in what I want: a reliable fashionable automobile: the US is better off with non-GM workers doing decent work on time--people that bring in foreign purchases and don&#039;t need to drain money from our fellow citizens to support a lot of indifferent workers and greedy executives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lynn at 65:</p>
<p>Would I be better off in an indifferently assembled GM &#8220;car&#8221; that breaks down on the way to work and consumes more of my repair budget? </p>
<p>Would the US be better with millions of GM owners spending more on their cars than they should to suport a bloated GM and UAW?  (and reward sloppy workers and cluless management?)</p>
<p>Me and my family are better off in what I want: a reliable fashionable automobile: the US is better off with non-GM workers doing decent work on time&#8211;people that bring in foreign purchases and don&#8217;t need to drain money from our fellow citizens to support a lot of indifferent workers and greedy executives.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 12:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, no problem, laughter&#039;s the best medicine.  Enjoy driving around in your foreign car while you feel bad for the country.  HaHaHa!

Your the cheerleader with the pompoms, right?  Cute.  Gimme a F!  Gimme a U!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, no problem, laughter&#8217;s the best medicine.  Enjoy driving around in your foreign car while you feel bad for the country.  HaHaHa!</p>
<p>Your the cheerleader with the pompoms, right?  Cute.  Gimme a F!  Gimme a U!</p>
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		<title>By: LarryOldtimer</title>
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		<dc:creator>LarryOldtimer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 06:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The next &quot;Cash for Clunkers&quot; government program will be government rebates for buying new GM cars.  As to the Volt, just what I don&#039;t need . . . a vehicle which will require a $20,000 battery replacement between 30,000 and 50,000 miles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The next &#8220;Cash for Clunkers&#8221; government program will be government rebates for buying new GM cars.  As to the Volt, just what I don&#8217;t need . . . a vehicle which will require a $20,000 battery replacement between 30,000 and 50,000 miles.</p>
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