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1. Gravest Threat to Obamaland: Disillusionment at Hillary Clinton On Best Political Blogs:

[...] Gravest Threat to Obamaland: Disillusionment Fur will fly when the messiah’s followers suffer the inevitable let-down. [...]

Nov 29, 2008 - 12:10 am 2. Kathryn:

I hope that Kyle-Anne is right that people will become disillusioned with The One. I fear that the masses will buy into the already-begun narrative that whatever problems continue or arise during the Obama administration, it was really the Bush administration’s fault for not revealing the extent of whatever the problem is.

Nov 29, 2008 - 12:48 am 3. criticalthinker:

I wonder when the Progressives are going to wake up and realize a “smoke and mirrors” routine was perpetrated on them by a Chicago political machine and 2nd tier Clintonite staffers. In the famous words of Sir Malcolm of the X, “Yah, got hoodwinked and bamboozled.”

Nov 29, 2008 - 1:23 am 4. Rachel Peepers:

Klye-Anne Shiver was in a homerun hitter’s zone when writing about the great one’s rabid followers’ coming disillusionment when the rubber of their expectations meets the harsh road of reality.

That is, of course, assuming that the devotees of the brown eyed handsome man possess the ability to think critically about anyone other than their persona non grata number one, the war winner in Iraq, George W. Bush.

Shiver’s tacit insight being that any violent rocking of the political boat to port could conceivably cause a disillusionment on the part of Democratic Party moderate voters against the Democratic Party in 2012. Moderates’ ballots tend to be based on real world issues, not some Jim Jones drink of the month club selection.

Dem bigwigs know that the big O tax rise promise could lead to a big depression. Hence, the second coming won’t be raising taxes in his first year.

Dem bigwigs are aware that snatching defeat from the jaws of victory in Iraq won’t score brownie points with most Americans, only the ones who long ago have mentally given up their citizenship for a blame-america-first multi dimwitted, quasi traitorous mindset.

Point being, the boys in the Reid, Dodd, Palosi, land of plenty, the dirty, filthy hands rich, will see to it that Barack doesn’t do anything to spook moderate voters, like offering blanket amnesty to illegal aliens.

Dem liberals aren’t dum. The hands that feed them they don’t bite.

It’s in their interest that the Big O dump his campaign promises now that he’s forced to live in the land of political realities, and not where his groupes call home, which is a place made not of wood, nails, tables and chairs, but of dreamers’ brainwaves.

Call it the land of Oz. Utopia. Shangrila. It’s a place where people look forward to the kind of change that never will come, where the soundtrack of their lives is not just disallusionment, but feelings of anger, betrayal with a pinch of fear thrown in the mix.

The days of fainting at an O speech are behind them. Ahead lies the coming realization that The Obama reality train has left the station. It has no scheduled stops in OZ, Utopia or Shangrila. For the rabid, ravid, he’s- going-to-change-the-world- followers of Obama, there’s no seats on the train of state. No room for dreamers. No time to mull and stew over what should have been.

There’s only place for them to go now that Obama and the Democratic Party is focusing on the business of America.

The day comes when everybody has to be told there is no Santa. No Easter Bunny. But there is a real place to go to do whatever. Lick wounds. Cry rivers. Wail at the moon.

As the song ended, “What’ll I do with only dreams of you that won’t come true? What’ll I do”

The answer is, go home. Rest up. They’ll be other elections where believers like you are needed. At least for a while.

Nov 29, 2008 - 2:20 am 5. Eric R.:

You dare question the light, the truth and the glory of the all-knowing, all-powerful, all-merciful Lord of the Universe, Savior and Final Prophet, the Holy Barack Obama Christ (Blessed Be He, Peace Be Upon Him, Hallelujah!)?

You just wait. Watch the perfectly unbiased evening newscasts on January 21, 2009 and you will find that he has brought peace on earth, manna from Heaven, and eternal love among all.

Nov 29, 2008 - 2:41 am 6. Gary Ogletree:

All Hail Dear Leader!

Nov 29, 2008 - 3:51 am 7. Bloodthirsty Liberal » Will We Love Him Tomorrow?:

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Nov 29, 2008 - 4:24 am 8. misanthropicus:

Reality objective exists, despite liberals’ unshakable belief to the contrary – and as those who still bother to observe the show, Obama’s agenda has no resemblance whatsoever to what he promised, or his strange followers appear(ed) to believe that he promised.
The foreign affairs predicaments faced today by America have not lessened, but are greater – and Bush or Carl Rove haven’y caused this. The economic crisis hasn’t been caused by homophobes, but it is a long due correction to long history of legislative neglect, lack of attention for the globalizantion’s side effect, common (global) greed, and sheer stupidity (I remember Kenneth Gailbraith once talking about the stupidity cycle), and this history transcends the last few presidential terms.

And whatever Obama promised, that’s gone. As much as they can, media will muffle the discrepancies between the “hope ‘n change/yes, we can!” candidate’s rhetoric and his, gosh! pragmatic decisions, then some criticism will appear.
Yet for many Obama’s actions will always remain unassailable – the liberals’ response to his appointments is a good example that they will take anything from him, even Donald Rumsfeld as DOD secretary.

With this type of mentality, I don’t think there will be something like desillusion about Obama in the cards, so little Barry’s most excellent journey will continues, helped by nice and caring relatives who foot the bill for his self-fulfillment – uncle Biden, auntie Hillary, uncle Gates, uncle Volker, uncle Bill, uncle Larry (Naomi Wolfe and Erica Jong warmly endorsing him), and so on and so forth (leaving aside those people’s competence, man, there isn’t anything for liberals in his cabinet?)

No matter how much obfuscation and triangulation Barry will discharge, very few people will admit the truth that his election actually was an absurdity generated by the convergence of some highly unusual political & economical circumstances and furious media parisanship & propaganda – this complemented by complete, shameless unwillingness to vet his past and relationships, and by the destructive fury directed towards his opponents, McCain & Palin.

The mindless election of Barry Soetero as US president showed that the US is becoming a ridiculous banana republic, populated by illiterate, superstitious and emotional folk whose chief source of aspirations, competence and understanding of the world comes from Oprah Winfrey-like Tv shows – but who will admit this, and who cares about restoring the previous ruliness and honorability in politics? No liberal and no Obama follower; and while eventually all airbags deflate, regardless the props and caring uncles and auties tending them, Obama, even deflated will be gigantic – a Nicaragua state of mind.

Nov 29, 2008 - 5:10 am 9. seven:

The fur will not fly. Several reasons why they will not turn on Obama.
1 We have found they do not follow the news
2 what news is offered is filtered by the radical left The next fase is censorship
3 Obama is continuing the blame game and people are stupid enough to by it forever
4 If news is watched on Oprah and SNL, it tells us they won’t get it.
5 Ignorant people run from facts and truth

Nov 29, 2008 - 6:11 am 10. fear Obama:

brought peace on earth, manna from Heaven

HA.

I just hope that when the 400 lb. fat welfare moms break down the White House gates,
none of the Obama family gets trampled.

/probably be some poor part time,
no insurance, security guard.

Nov 29, 2008 - 6:19 am 11. Aisling:

Y’all seem to have a real misunderstanding about what most Obama supporters believe. We expect that he will change the policies of the last 8 disasterous years under a selfish, greedy, inarticulate president. The Bush administration has left an incredible mess to be cleaned up and it’s not going to be an easy job.

Once you realize that most of us accept that Obama is just a politician who said what he needed to say to get elected, you can stop with the foolishness of “The One” and the “Perfect World” crap. Try to relax and enjoy the ride, our country will be better off with Democrats in charge.

Nov 29, 2008 - 6:31 am 12. R a Z o R:

The fuhrer , leader , is not to be criticized .

Obama’s honeymoon will give way to his passion .

All that smear by pointing out the workings of

Obama’s inner circle are racist bigots .

http://youtube.com/watch?v=gH-2Fwx5RU0

1992 they killed Superman .

2008 Batman’s father isn’t dead and kills his

own son .

Will Obama replace the superhero this time as

Clinton did in 1992 ?

Can it really be that easy ? Why am I depressed?

Nov 29, 2008 - 6:34 am 13. MarkD:

If you believe this is a problem, just wait until the Social Security surplus is needed to start paying benefits. The money is spent, and there are only IOUs. That is the very definition of disillusionment.

There is no magic unicorn. There aren’t enough rich to tax to get what we want. It will be very ugly. It must be somebody’s fault.

Maybe our children will forgive us.

Nov 29, 2008 - 6:45 am 14. Kyle-Anne Shiver:

To Rachel Peepers:

You, dear Lady, have my undying respect for the phrase of the year:

“Jim Jones drink of the month club selection.”

I’m saluting you! Love that. Wish I had written it.

Thanks for the great laugh (Or am I crying? They are in charge of our Country, after all.)
Kyle-Anne

Nov 29, 2008 - 7:07 am 15. Ursa Major:

This is going to be an absolute hoot as it unfolds. And I trust The New York Times will be leading the charge.

Nov 29, 2008 - 7:16 am 16. Rockmelon:

To some, Obama (pbuh) can do no harm and to others, there is evil lurking behind every breath he takes. It remains to be seen what the man can do for the country and although I don’t care for him, I sure hope he pulls us through this mess that we are in. A failure for him is a failure for 306 billion citizens.

OK, look…I’m at least trying to be optimistic!

Nov 29, 2008 - 7:22 am 17. BMoon:

Yet the facts are that the economic and security crisis’ will likely intensify to such a degree that we will all have to be on Obama’s side. For better or worse, like the desperate 40 something woman that sought a quick solution to her existential crisis of loneliness, we are all married to this man and his infantile dreams of “Change,” and will now pray he grows up quick for his destiny is ours.

Nov 29, 2008 - 7:34 am 18. Jeff Weimer:

This article is tasty troll-bait. Where’s Robert Hurley and vivo?

Nov 29, 2008 - 7:41 am 19. Andrew:

“HIS CONFIDENT SMILE AND KIND EYES ARE AN INSPIRATION TO US ALL” TV is always right. So how can anyone be disappointed? (Yes, I saw the commercial.) On another note, let’s just hope their disillusionment doesn’t end with the Great, Great Depression or an uninhabitable city somewhere in the US due to radiation contamination, but rather the failure of Obama to pay off my mortgage and provide me with an unending supply of gasoline for my SUV.

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Nov 29, 2008 - 8:38 am 22. jan ranch:

Kyle-Anne’s is one of the great journalists of our time. She is so able to see clarity when there is so much spin. I find myself laughing out loud and feeling much better after reading her articles. Her husband is a lucky man. jan m

Nov 29, 2008 - 8:38 am 23. Mike:

Obama worshipers are living proof that there needs to be an intelligence requirement in order to vote in this country. Notice I did not say educational credentials, but an intelligence requirement. Most of the literati on both the left and the right can’t get past a narcissistic valuation of their own intelligence. The left is driven to dabble in Marxist constructs that were long ago proven to be invalid, while the right continues to pursue a course of constant growth while ignoring the effect of such logic on our domestic economy and our ability to maintain a standard of living that was several centuries in the making.

Nov 29, 2008 - 8:46 am 24. Barbara Medal:

Kyle-Anne,
As ususal a great article on the Obamessiah phenomonon. Having read Alinsky’s book myself and followed the wizzards rise in Obamaland, I would rather see some ideas on a plan to rebuild the Conservative platform and the plans in takeing such actions. Tom Delay did a piece at how “we” as a party have to change, it is all about the good ol’ boys and their career not their service to the country or the people. The grass roots need to step up to the plate and the election is over we have to counteract it. One would hope the people that voted him in would see their stupidity, they won’t.

Tom Delay’s comments in red, mine in blue
What is needed then is a new ( NOT!!!there is nothing wrong with the old conservative ideology. B) conservatism, a new agenda (NOT!!!), an alternative that can be put before the American people when they come looking for one. (Being sold out again with the “New” Conservative drivel, merely the old ‘one step back’ rendering an illusion of choice to the dumbed down Republicans.B)

I think a Republican agenda that looks like Ronald Reagan’s or the “Contract with America” won’t work (BIG Republican LIE #1)— the country has moved on. (Moved where??? I’ll tell you where to the New World Order only the Republican elites (aka closet socialists) do it slower!! B) The specifics must be worked out, but the very idea of Republicanism must become at once clearer and bolder. Tax cuts must be replaced by tax reform (NOT) — reforms with an eye specifically toward investment, growth and middle-income families. “Slowing the rate of growth” should be replaced with actual spending cuts — better to cut a little than tinker a lot.
(What part of LOWER TAXES does Mr. Delay not understand)

Nov 29, 2008 - 8:47 am 25. David Thomson:

“Once you realize that most of us accept that Obama is just a politician who said what he needed to say to get elected”

This is a common theme that is only sometimes explicitly stated. A large number of Obama supporters knew their man was lying—but took it for granted that he was not lying to them! His deceit was supposedly only directed towards those red neck white guys who are a bunch of bitter, gun carrying idiots.

Nov 29, 2008 - 8:54 am 26. Rashputin:

seven – “The fur will not fly”

I understand what you’re saying, but it may not work out that neatly. I’m sure that’s the presumed course, but the fact that the most radical among the democrats have spent eight years building their own alternatives to the traditional democrat instruments means that traditional democrats have no control over them. When the new conspiracy theories start to fly, that’s when we’ll know how much disappointment and anger there is.

I strongly suspect that most democrat insiders are planning to rely on the radical fringe whenever they need their help rather than having to cater to them. Otherwise, they’d have begun leaking lowered expectations stories prior to starting to announce appointments. Obama’s “third Clinton administration” picks and giving Hillary State, both prime the conspiriologists for an attack on those they consider counter-revolutionaries within the democrat camp. Whether they can be defused or not will determine how easily Obama can sit on his throne.

I expect to see theories about who is restraining “The One” at first, but if those aren’t handled carefully by democrat insiders, they’ll soon turn into, “we were betrayed” theories. Hillary, for one, has no incentive to keep anyone from believing that they were betrayed by voting for a novice rather than for her. I see it coming down to the new appointees and where their self-interest lies. If they feel that they’re being given their head (in the horse sense not the presidential perk sense) they’ll probably help quash whatever they can. If not, they could well feed the theories in a way that reflects on Obama himself rather than on the, “counter-revolutionaries”.

Regards

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Nov 29, 2008 - 9:12 am 28. Linden Swift:

Kyle-Anne,
This piece is so well done that I just may have to rename my blog the K-A admirer society. I also agree with your comment regarding Rachel Peepers. Thanks.

Nov 29, 2008 - 10:00 am 29. Ann:

4.RachelPeepers….”Dem bigwigs are aware that snatching defeat from the jaws of victory in Iraq won’t score brownie points with most Americans, only the ones who long ago have mentally given up their citizenship for a blame-America-first-multi-dimwitted, quasi-traitorous mindset…” the phrase that jumped out at me in this neatly phrased paragraph was “only the ones”. The problem is that the group of those who HAVE mentally given up their citizenship is LARGE. Apparently we are faced with an electorate where the middle 15% of voters are going to win every election from here on out. I’m very concerned that the quasi-traitorous and ignorant group you describe constitutes a substantial portion of that “middle 15%”.

These fools have so much more power than the rest of us, precisely because they reside at the tipping point and are willing to be bought off by any candy man who strolls through town.

Nov 29, 2008 - 10:34 am 30. Al E. Gorie:

I am afraid to say that a disillusionment period will not happen. The narrative has been set, and people, including the establishment media, will bend and distort reality as necessary to prevent cognitive dissonance. Please re-read Orwell’s 1984.

Bush has served as the “Goldberg” character for the last eight years. He will continue to serve as the “Goldberg” character for the next couple of years until a new Republican becomes the “Goldberg”, such as Sarah Palin. You think Olberfuehrer is going to dedicate his Two Minute Hate to The One, or Biden?

Nov 29, 2008 - 11:04 am 31. Gavin:

The bar he as to surpass is so low – set by the current and clearly worst president in U.S. history – how can you possibly imagine those who chose the chosen one will suffer from disillusionment?

The fact is, even if he succeeds just a little – it will be such a massive improvement over the previous White House tenant he will be praised as a miracle worker.

For the most part, America feels good about itself again. More that 70% think Obama will be either a good or great president.

Why, for America’s sake, do you hope that he isn’t?

Nov 29, 2008 - 11:19 am 32. David Adams:

What exactly was ‘disgusting’ about Zarwahiri calling Obama a ‘House Negro’? Was it ‘disgusting’ when Clarence Thomas was called the same name? Was it ‘disgusting’ when Condeleza Rice was called much worse by both National and International members of the press?
President Bush has been called everything but a child of God for the past 8 years and he never whined or cried about it – and neither did you!

Nov 29, 2008 - 11:35 am 33. Anna:

Not to take anything away from the central thesis, but the quote at the top of the article is actually by William Congreve, not Shakespeare.

As for the main point, I think that in about half a year, the group of people who will be kindest to Obama might just as well be the conservatives. We are the least likely to be disappointed since our expectations are so low to begin with. And any step towards the center or the right will just be bonus points.

I won’t be surprised to see conservatives, in a few months, defending the new president when it comes to national security and, probably, the economy (if his signals of a more conservative approach pan out). We’ve had a lot of practice having to “defend” Bush’ policies. And the Leftists have had a lot of practice attacking the president.

The more things change….

Nov 29, 2008 - 11:35 am 34. VOTING FOR KODOS:

Ms Shiver, I have to agree with comments #8 and #9. I do not believe Obama’s image will suffer because of disillusionment, because I believe the media’s control of the narrative is too complete, and it will perhaps take a generation of conservatives’ concerted effort to undo the “long march through the institutions” that the left has achieved.

I believe most of the anger over President Bush’s policies were media generated, to start with. Most Americans are not in the media, and most of the liberals shouting the loudest probably don’t even know one person in the military. So all the upset is not because people they know are dying in overseas wars. It’s because the media told them to be upset.

How about unemployment? W’s policies generated enough business to keep unemployment at lower levels than Clinton’s, even though W had to fight two overseas wars. The dissatisfaction with the economy has been generated by the media spinning everything with such a negative light. Once Obama is president, miraculously all the poor homeless waifs, wandering the streets without coats, will all disappear and be happy. Again, media spin will sanitize every action taken by the new president.

Just name a topic, and you’ll find that all those people who thought they wanted hope and change will now find that they now believe that President Obama is doing just what he ought to do. and all the imagined unhappiness, which was driven by NBC/CBS/ABC/CNN/NYT/LAT/&c., will now be replaced by a glowing happiness and a determination to overcome life’s little obstacles (the same obstacles they faced before).

Until the transnational left’s control over the narrative is broken, I don’t see how Obama will experience any backlash, no matter what he does.

So, I’m an Eeyore. I don’t think I’m wrong, though.

Nov 29, 2008 - 11:35 am 35. VOTED FOR KODOS:

Gavin said, “Why, for America’s sake, do you hope that he isn’t [a great president]?” You are mistaken. No one hopes that President-elect Obama will be a bad leader, because we fear the horrible effect that would have on our national security, our economy, our well-being as a sovereign nation. I want to add, this is in contradistinction to the behavior of the Left and their lapdogs, the media, who practically cheered and jeered at every American death in Iraq, as the vindication of their policies. I don’t want Obama to have a failed or terrible presidency; but his stated policies, voting history, and past and present associations have me bracing for the worst.

Nov 29, 2008 - 11:41 am 36. Winner:

Ha ha! Obama Derangement Syndrome is a full-blown epidemic on the far-right.

You’re exhibiting the classic Kubler-Ross 5 stages of grief.

You’ve all moved from Denial (Obama is Kenyan! He can’t be sworn in!) to Anger (Obama is stupid! His supporters are idiots!)

Next up will be Bargaining (Maybe he’ll govern as a conservative!), then Depression (Woe and doom! It’s the end of the world!) and finally Acceptance (OK, he’s President. Time to suck it up and deal with it.)

The mix of denial and anger right now is amusing.

Carry on.

Nov 29, 2008 - 12:11 pm 37. Ventrue:

11. Aisling:

LOL, while I largely agree with you, my fellow traveler, please take a moment to understand why those you taunt manifest such warped and delusional fantasies.

I’ll be the first to admit that many of our friends on the right are ensnared in a sort of siege mentality, but to look at things from their perspective, they ARE under siege and echo chambers like this one represent the few arenas that they may circle their wagons for one more courageous “last stand”. Look at what concepts, imagery and icons that conservatives revere and hold dear….The Spartans at Thermopylae. The Christians at the Flavian Amphitheater. The Texans at the Alamo. Pickett’s Charge. Custer’s Last Stand. Randy Weaver. The Branch Davidians. Judge Roy Moore….and so on and so forth and scooby dooby doo. Yes friends, the martyr syndrome runs deep in the hearts of our right wing brethren, and quite frankly, they are at their happiest when they find themselves in situations where they can portray themselves as the last bulwark against the rough beasts whose hours have come ’round at last. As they see it, Aisling, people like you and I are those “beasts”.

Their little world is changing, growing, and expanding in ways that frighten them. How often during the last two election cycles did we hear them invoke fear to try to motivate their voters to the polls. In 2006, it was fear of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid . This year, it was fear of Hillary Clinton and eventually Barack Obama that formed the lash that coerced conseratives from their warrens to come out and support a moderate Republican that most of them wouldn’t have wasted the saliva to spit upon him at any other time. It largely succeeded for the base, but funny thing about scare tactics….they work like poison gas. They are both uncontrollable, unreliable and often counter-productive. Fearmongers on the right managed to scare their own to the voting booth, but they also scared moderates and independents to the booth and inspired them to pull the lever for Obama. As a result, most of the posters here are feeling ever more marginalized and that is the wellspring for the sort of pipe dream offered by Shiver here.

When it became obvious nearly two months ago that Obama was going to win, there were chortlings among those on the right that a President Obama would govern hard left and thereby set the state for a conservative resurgence in ‘10 and/or a retaking of the White House in ‘12. In the weeks since the election, conservatives are now trying to comfort themselves with the nostrum that Obama will piss off the left to the point that they will not support him….if not actively work against him. Obama, if anything, has proven himself a shrewd and adept study of Macchiavellianism. He will govern center/center-left and nudge this country gently back on the tracks toward liberalism….tracks that were jumped in the wake of the events of 9/11. Democrats have only been in control of the Hill, with the barest of majorities, for 22 months. Many of them in Congress today remember what happened to them the last time they had a Democratic president and they tried to overreach. I highly doubt they will be of a mind to repeat that mistake or allow Obama the leeway to make it for them. Where our friends on the right will have to beware, however, is if Obama succeeds in winning a second term. With nothing more to lose, it will be up to congressional Democrats to stifle any inclinations to steer hard left.

They say to victor go the spoils, but to the patient goes the victory. With that in mind, I point out to our gay comrades-in-arms that they failed to heed this before going out and striking conservative America in the knee. Conservatives reflexively kicked back with anti-gay marriage intiatives to the crotch. Be patient, dear friends. Time and history are on your side….and on the side of liberalism in general. After all….it took thousands of years for modern humans to displace their Neanderthal antecedents. It will take awhile to displace their ideological descendants.

Allow our conservative friends the luxury of indulging their role playing fantasies of the persecuted martyr within the confines of their insular enclaves. It’s really the only security blanket they have left in our brave new world. It keeps them sane and it keeps us chuck(ling).

Nov 29, 2008 - 12:11 pm 38. thegr8_1:

American voters know more about David Cook and David Archuleta of American Idol (Cook’s album is really good), the remaining four teams in The Amazing Race and the five remaining f@t@sses on The Biggest Loser then they know about Barack Obama.

Every adversary has started to test Obama and will ratchet up their efforts in the days to come. Mumbai is the beginning. Does Obama have the spine to deal with these elements? I can picture Hillary riding on a camel to come to Obama’s rescue.

Economically everyone who caused the mess is supposed to fix the mess? We are penalized for success and rewarded for failure, that is not Capitalism that is Socialism.

Try and take away our constitutional rights and screw up this counyry any more and the 1860’s will look like a tea party.

Nov 29, 2008 - 12:12 pm 39. Ventrue:

Re: 36…..sorry folks. Only one “c” in Machiavelli. Mea culpa.

Nov 29, 2008 - 12:23 pm 40. thegr8_1:

Ann good point 40% will vote Democrat 40% will vote Republican, and 20% decide who wins. I am concerned this 20% will consist of illegal immigrants given citizenship, ACORN sticking their two cents in, beneficiaries of redistribution of wealth, politically correct term for WELFARE, etc. I do not want this country to become Chicago on a national scale, the highest sales tax in the country, the highest murder rate on the country, a Todd Stroger as commissioner who is a disaster.

On another note I don’t want Supreme Court Justices who consider empathy as a criteria for making a decision. They are supposed to interpret the Law and the Constitution, not make new sympathetic laws.

Nov 29, 2008 - 12:24 pm 41. Kyle-Anne Shiver:

At least until after the inaugural, we conservatives should cut our liberal friends a bit of slack…most of them are truly still unaware that they are living in a media-created propaganda bubble regarding their latest political savior.

And yes, of course, the same media will do all it can to protect the bubble and not let the truth invade, but every time a brainwashed liberal catches on through other reading, he will spread the word a bit more.

If the brainwashing of American voters were not so terribly dangerous to us all, it might be simply laughable. In the fifties and sixties we used to pity those trapped in Pravda’s propaganda bubble; now 52% of us are them.

Sad. Very, very sad. And despicable.

Nov 29, 2008 - 1:00 pm 42. Tom Paine:

There may be mild discontent but there will be no explosions of fury from the left. Aisling, Winner, & Ventrue (above) demonstrate this already.

You forget what unprincipled hypocrites the moonbats are.

They’re about power and vindication for their side, not principle. As long as The One gives them that feeling of power, they’ll conveniently find “ways” to approve of everything else.

The One and his media sycophants can also easily make “What the meaning of ‘is’ is” look like Sophistry 101. The moonbats will lap it up — all the while delighted by how much more “intelligent” they are.

Nov 29, 2008 - 1:11 pm 43. tanarg:

Obama will try to hide his Marxism below the visible appointees in Washington; it’s a delusion that he’s tacking centrist. He’s a Marxist, and that isn’t going to change.

And we shall see what the Supreme Court decides. Nobody anywhere has actually subjected Obama to the constitutional test of eligibility for the office of president.

In my view, it matters not whether Obamanoids are disillusioned or not. They see only the broad outlines — are people groveling in front of Obama? OK, they’re satisfied with that. The last thing they’re going to do is admit they were wrong, and disillusionment would mean that they’d have to do that very thing.

Nov 29, 2008 - 1:24 pm 44. misanthropicus:

Re # 36/Winner: “[...] Ha ha! Obama Derangement Syndrome is a full-blown epidemic on the far-right. You’re exhibiting the classic Kubler-Ross 5 stages of grief [...] Denial [...] Bargaining [...] Depression [...] Acceptance [...]”

Winner – Barry Setero is the right name of the case, and now add to the Kubler-Ross scale its last, missing rung: The one who gets the last laugh will laugh better.
Relax. Soetero hasn’t even stepped in the office and has on his tail a bigger problem than Clinton after one term – remember “I never had sex with that woman Monica Lewinsky”? Well, your friend Soetero will have opportunity aplenty to weasel out from the corner in which he has painted h/self.
A delightful implication – what about rising $ 600 million dollars under false pretense? What a about the reimbursement?
The Kubler-Ross scale is yours, baby – the fun is the conservatives’.

Nov 29, 2008 - 1:49 pm 45. Winner:

It’s stunning to see how smoothly the transition has been so far. Obama is the same liberal that he was earlier this month when Republicans were screaming “Socialist!” and “Marxist!” at the hate rallies.

But now Republicans have somehow convinced themselves that Obama has betrayed liberalism and the the left is “disillusioned”. This has neutralized the far-right as they’re unsure whether they’re supposed to: a) Oppose every Obama appointment or, b) Embrace the new administration and try to create a “divided left” narrative.

They still hate Obama, but since they’re trying to portray him as being far more conservative than he’s ever been, their voices now cancel each other out and the only man left standing is the President-elect.

Their complete and utter lack of self-awareness is truly a sight to behold. Republicans are being played and they don’t even know it. 51 days, 22 hours until inauguration.

Carry on.

Nov 29, 2008 - 1:49 pm 46. misanthropicus:

Re #11/Ventrue: [...] it took thousands of years for modern humans to displace their Neanderthal antecedents. It will take awhile to displace their ideological descendants. {…]”

Thanks, Ventrue, for so accurately describing today’s liberals as Neanderthals’ descendants.
Question: your accuracy in this Neanderthal matter, fabulous, does it come from your looking too much in a mirror? Hey, empiricism, good method!

Nov 29, 2008 - 2:00 pm 47. Ventrue:

42. Tom Paine sez: “You forget what unprincipled hypocrites the moonbats are.

They’re about power and vindication for their side, not principle.”

V -Going down in flames of ideological purity is a conservative virtue, Tom, not a liberal one…..nor is it a pragmatic one

On the other hand, I really do hope you found some cathartic value in your ad hominem attacks.

38. thegr8_1:

Do tell us, sir/ma’am….what sort of critical information about our president-elect that you don’t know, yet feel you need to?

Cubs or White Sox?

Boxers or briefs?

Patty or link? (Oh yeah….that’s right. The wingnuts say he’s one o’ them thar Mooslums. Sorry. )

Doggie or missionary?

What?

Look at it this way….if he seriously screws up, he will give rise to another Ronald Reagan and you people can look forward to an era of self-congratulatory round robins until sometime near the 100th anniversary of the Battle of Midway.

Remember….to the patient goes the victory.

Nov 29, 2008 - 2:08 pm 48. Winner:

#44 misanthropicus: “The one who gets the last laugh will laugh better.”

Considering the election was held 3 weeks ago, I’m not sure what you think will prevent Obama from becoming the President, or why you seem to think you’ll get the “last laugh”. It’s over. You lost. Move on. Perhaps you’re one of the Obama Truther conspiracy theorists who believes he was born in Kenya. Have fun with that.

Either way, I believe your unintentionally funny response place you squarely in the “Denial” category. Thank-you for proving my point.

Carry on.

Nov 29, 2008 - 2:19 pm 49. tanarg:

Remember that Obama and his kind rely on deception as a central item in their toolbox. The public faces will be “acceptable,” but in the departments, the minions will carry out Marxist plans.

The biggest mistake we can make is to trust him on anything. After what might indeed happen with regard to his possibly not taking office at all, the likening of his followers to the Kool-Aid drinkers in Jonestown may not actually be so far off the mark. The mental stability of some of his followers may indeed cause some to self-destruct just as the poor misguided souls did who drank the poison.

Nov 29, 2008 - 2:21 pm 50. Ventrue:

46. misanthropicus:

Whooo, rather nasty there, my eponymously named friend…..albeit rather amateurish. Surely, an acolyte of Lee Atwater and Karl Rove can do better. Please rack ‘em up and try again. By way of incentive, consider this…..only seven more weeks until President Barack HUSSEIN Obama.

That should get the ol’ bile flowing, eh what?

Nov 29, 2008 - 2:24 pm 51. Ventrue:

48. Winner:

Perhaps our friend australopithecus, whoops…I meant “misanthropicus” is praying for Supreme(as opposed to divine)intervention from Republican operatives on the SCOTUS to thwart the will of the electorate once again.

It begs the question if s/he would approve of similar shennanigans by the CaSC regarding Proposition Hate, er, make that Preparation H, ummm….how about Proposition 8?

Should I hold my breath? While blue is the color of the next four years, it really doesn’t look good on me.

Nov 29, 2008 - 2:34 pm 52. Rachel Peepers:

“These fools have so much more power than the rest of us, precisely because they reside at the tipping point and are willing to be bought off by any candy man who strolls through town.”

Kyle-Anne Shiver,
Thanks so much for the “drink selection of the month” compliment. That one goes on my bulletin board for all to see.

Ann,

“These fools have so much more power than the rest of us, precisely because they reside at the tipping point and are willing to be bought off by any candy man who strolls through town.”

“Rod Serling would have loved the imagery almost as much as I.”

Nov 29, 2008 - 2:43 pm 53. Rachel Peepers:

Linden Swift,

Thanks.
Regards, Rachel

Nov 29, 2008 - 2:47 pm 54. angry white dude:

Kyle-Anne, I’ve watched Obama and am going to write this on angrywhitedude.com in a day or so…..Obama is not as liberal as we think. He is a over-ambitious opportunist! Obama uses whomever he needs to reach his aims…then discards them when they are no longer of use to him. He did it with Rev. Wright after Wright and his racist ilk gave Obama his political start. He is doing it right now with the unwashed leftists like the Moveon.org’s who worked day and night to elect him…only to watch him dust off the tired old Clintoon staffers and put them in his cabinet. The unwashed left isn’t of use to him anymore. He even is keeping Gates at SecDef! Who would have thunk that a few weeks ago??

This guy wants power and wants to hold onto it. I no longer fear that he’ll try to make America into a socialist state (anymore than it is). Obama is all about Obama. And you can take that to the bank!

Great work, as usual Kyle-Anne.

Angry White Dude

Nov 29, 2008 - 2:54 pm 55. misanthropicus:

RE #47/Winner “[...] I’m not sure what you think will prevent Obama from becoming the President, or why you seem to think you’ll get the “last laugh”. […}”

Winner: You guys are haunted that Drudge will post his siren on the screen and some mystery conspiracy will stop Soetero get in the office – I don’t expect that, and I think that the incoming Supreme Court conference will pass the Soetero matter.
What I say is that this affair, regardless the Supreme Cort’s decision, will simply not go away as you desire, and, as the discontent with Soetero’s governing will grow, it will gain more and more traction, and further revelations will work towards its denuement – the best is yet to come, my friend, and, as I said, the last laugh will not be Soeterotrolls’.
’till then, some prudence will help you, so study the Kubler-Ross scale – time & the world’s twisted ways are on my side.
Best regards -

Nov 29, 2008 - 3:01 pm 56. CAROLINA:

From an obama supporter above “Ha ha! Obama Derangement Syndrome is a full-blown epidemic on the far-right.

You’re exhibiting the classic Kubler-Ross 5 stages of grief.”

—-

Sadly you’re a prime example of the psychoanalitic testing given to lowly freshmen in college:

Question: When a person on television is speaking, do you believe they are speaking only to you?”

Obviously you do. Visit your local Mental Health facility for further testing.

Nov 29, 2008 - 3:06 pm 57. Winner:

51. Ventrue: It’s strange, no?

This too-clever-by-half attempt at reverse psychology has only served to divide the right into anti-Obama and (fake) pro-Obama camps. Meanwhile, the “divided left” is thrilled with their victory and more than willing to go along with the Republican charade.

This will continue until the inauguration, and it will fail. In the meantime, I await more praise for our President-elect from the angry far-right. What a wonderful turn of events!

Nov 29, 2008 - 3:15 pm 58. Kyle-Anne Shiver:

One more thing for you folks who actually believe this election is OVER and a done deal:

Get yourself a civics book. The popular vote of November 4 does not elect a President. Never has. The Electoral College elects the President. When you voted on November 4, you did not even actually vote for a candidate. You voted for the electors pledged to that candidate. Those electors are actually legally allowed to change their votes in the actual tally in the Electoral College, to be held on December 5 of this year, next Friday to be precise.

Barack Obama has no official or legal standing in this Country at the moment. He is the presumed winner of the election because he has garnered enough pledged electors to win. However, should anything happen between now and next Friday that would make him either ineligible or any host of other things, then the Electors would not be bound to cast their votes for him.

What percentage of American voters do you think are aware of these facts about their own federal government?

KA

Nov 29, 2008 - 3:51 pm 59. misanthropicus:

RE # 51/Ventrue: [...] Perhaps our friend australopithecus, whoops…I meant “misanthropicus” is praying for Supreme(as opposed to divine)intervention from Republican operatives on the SCOTUS to thwart the will of the electorate once again. [...] It begs the question if s/he would approve of similar shennanigans by the CaSC regarding Proposition Hate, er, make that Preparation H, ummm….how about Proposition 8? [...]”

Cro-Magnon (to descend at your level of infantilism), you’re obfuscating:
1) in the Soetero matter, Hussein has failed to prove that he is eligible to be US president. Very simple, and there is also a very, very simple way to prove that I, and increasingly more people around are wrong regarding this – show the paper man, show that you are eligible. A very, very simple and almost costless way to close this affair for ever – ’till Soetero will do this, everything goes, and it will be costly for him and the Democrat party.
2) as far as prop 8 buddy, since I broadcast from LA, I can delightfully inform you that voted for it, like all other people around – and sueing the Californian electorate will not do it, unless the CASC will chose to railroad for a SECOND time the will of the electorate. If this happens, then the time for recall has come, the recall will be successful, and will send a big time message to all other Kumbaya judges across the country that they are not supposed to make laws – the recall’s outcome will also derail for ever this absurdity that the gay marriage movement is. (By the way, I can see that that the riots in LA kind of faded away – I wonder why, can you raciocinate this?)
Cruel, yet entertaining sport, watching liberals crashing – bye.

Nov 29, 2008 - 3:52 pm 60. artie:

Kyle,
You should be writing for Saturday Night Live,I laughed my a.. off.

Nov 29, 2008 - 4:44 pm 61. Jeff Weimer:

As for the birth certificate thing – can we get over it already? Do you really think it wouldn’t have come out in (at least) the last two years? Do you really think Hillary would have NOT looked into it and made hay? Sheesh! We’ve got enough to argue without bringing that smelly red herring out.

To you Ventrue and Winner, we “on the right” will support our President, no matter our ideological differences with him – we’re not a nation of men, but of laws. This is in stark contrast to those like you who took every opportunity to trash the last one. As the loyal opposition, we will support him when he is right and oppose him when he is left, I mean wrong. But we will never take it out of the house. I certainly hope he governs pragmatically, which nearly means centrist. He just doesn’t have the history or legislative record for that, and that’s what worries me. Maybe being “where the buck stops” will give him pause where being in a group didn’t. We’ll see. He’s said a lot of things, many contradictory, during the whole election season. We can only wait and see how he will really act. All of this is pure conjecture.

Barry will be literally my boss, I hope he governs well. It is up to us to make sure he does. I think you will find the opposition to him will not be nearly as vindictive as yours has to W.

Personally, I’m a bit amused (and a little gratified I admit) he’s picked for his cabinet so far. It’s like a repeat of the Clinton administration (seasoned with real Clinton!). The devil you know….

Nov 29, 2008 - 5:21 pm 62. Jim Baker:

#57
Don’t bet on that one. You misunderestimate us.

Nov 29, 2008 - 5:34 pm 63. misanthropicus:

Re #61/Jeff Weimer: [...] Barry will be literally my boss, I hope he governs well. It is up to us to make sure he does. I think you will find the opposition to him will not be nearly as vindictive as yours has to W. [...]”

Weimer, Weimer, false olive branch bearer, what about the following:
1) “Heaven knows, my son, by what crooked and tortuous ways I reached this crown,”
2) remember the photo of the Franziskus school registration in Djakarta listing Barry Soetero as, a) __________; b) ____________; and c) _____________?
3) can you present an explanation of Obama’s legal/citizenship status transitions from Hawaii to Indonesia, then back to America? And how and why those transitions don’t affect his eligibility for the office? Can you present an acceptable explanation regarding that, sir? Will you?
Looking forward -

Nov 29, 2008 - 5:54 pm 64. brucds:

This new drumbeat from the Right about the disillusionment of liberal Obama supporters is pathetic. Nonsense from losers who fear facing their own irrelevance…

Incidentally, Shiver traffics in total nonsense and it’s embarrassing that Pajamas Media features her amateur efforts.

Nov 29, 2008 - 6:10 pm 65. Once Again, It Looks Like Hillary Clinton Has Been …..? : The Pink Flamingo:

[...] a role of power to appease the growing ranks of Obamaites who are upset with The One (elect) who is not doing what they demand? [...]

Nov 29, 2008 - 6:18 pm 66. Jeff Weimer:

Umm Misanthropicus, what are you talking about? I’m not a birth certificate truther – as you can see from my first paragraph.

I’m talking about our opposition to his policies and nominations as we see them will not be filled with the same vitriol we have seen from the left – witness Robert Bork, Clarence Thomas, John Roberts, Samuel Alito, and Antonin Scalia. They were all (but Bork) confirmed by mostly partisan votes, while Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer were confirmed almost unanimously despite their nominations by a Democrat President to a Republican Senate. I foresee the same from the right as we have seen in the past, not from what we have seen from the left, although we are tempted to give as good as we have gotten. I think we still believe in the proper customs of politics that have been recently discarded by the left, but so hastily retaken now that they are back in power. Forgive us if we’re not impressed.

Nov 29, 2008 - 6:32 pm 67. myth buster:

The reason Tom Delay talked about tax reform is because tax cuts aren’t enough. Cutting taxes doesn’t do a thing about the $400+ billion in compliance costs we spend every year and get nothing in return. Besides that, the tax regulations are so complex that the system itself discourages economic growth. The Fair Tax puts a huge dent in both problems.

Nov 29, 2008 - 7:13 pm 68. BuffaloBoy:

Disillusionment? How about just delusion? That would describe the Republican party right now and the individual who just wrote this piece (of crap).

Are you guys serious? Lemme ask you something:

Who would you rather vote for huh? An underprivileged overachiever or an over privileged underachiever? Because the former won the election, while the latter decided to pick a completely incapable and unprepared running mate that helped sink his campaign. I can’t believe you actually have the never to say that democrats ignore facts when all you guys watch is Fox News.

And if one more moron blames the mortgage crisis soley on Clinton and the CRA I’m going to take off my shoe and beat them with it. You want to know how the mortgage mess really went down then read this:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/who_caused_the_economic_crisis.html

Oh no! Not the dreaded factcheck.org!! It’s run by liberals!!! Liars, liars!!! Yeah sure, that would be the default reaction, even though it isn’t true, but when has that ever stopped you guys from using it?

From Wikipedia:

“The president and chairwoman of the foundation, Leonore Annenberg, born in 1918, endorsed John McCain in the 2008 presidential election.”

Read something real for once instead of just making up shit.

Let me ask you another question: What would have happened if King George got his way and privatized Social Security? What would be left of it right now? I mean, it wasn’t bad enough that he raided the Social security trust to pay for the Iraq War, but he also would have basically wiped out what was left of SS if it was dependent on the market.

Bush has been President for 8 years, 6 of those with unfettered power in the form of a republican Congress. But for some reason he is never to blame for the pathetic state that this once great nation is now in.

Talk about delusion.

Nov 29, 2008 - 7:28 pm 69. Someone75:

58 Kyle-Anne Shiver:

This is a new level of desperation. For someone who brags about their “God given common sense”, you sure are lacking.

As for your “article”, it’s based on the false premise that Obama voters were under some bizarre spell. I for one never had the illusion that Obama was perfect. There were things I didn’t like about him way back in January when I voted for him in Iowa.

Get a life and start writing about things that are worth reading. We’ve all had enough of these retaliatory pieces from you. Or, if you have nothing useful or interesting to say, how about taking a break?

Nov 29, 2008 - 7:55 pm 70. misanthropicus:

Re #64/brucds: “[...] This new drumbeat from the Right about the disillusionment of liberal Obama supporters is pathetic. [...] Incidentally, Shiver traffics in total nonsense [...]”

Yo, sorry coagulation brucds: Shiver’s done a very good job and hit you in a soft spot, i.e. she showed the fractiousness of the Democrat party – best proof is your squad of Soeterotrolls swarming the site (and to increase your sorrow, I’ll remind you that Richardson is not happy at all with him carrying the water at Commerce, he expected to get for his Iago job the State Dept. and Soetero dumped him for Hillary. This has already hit the fan, and already RCP and CNN have reported about grumbling amongst Latino voters – talking about rainbows.)
Get lost – if don’t agree with Shiver and if your position is that strong why bother to argue, try to persuade, etc.?
It was in yesterday Politico someone talking about his nightmares with Drudge Report siren announcing a big thing coming, and apparently this has scared the bejesus from your ACORN dispatchers who sent you in bullying missions across the cyberspace.
And eat this now: next week we’ll hear that Donal Rumsfeld will be White House special advisor – how much sh** you Soeterotrolls are able to eat from your democrats it’s simply beyond anyone’s understanding.
Love it – the best is yet to come…

Nov 29, 2008 - 9:01 pm 71. misanthropicus:

RE #58/Someone 75 “[...] As for your “article”, it’s based on the false premise that Obama voters were under some bizarre spell. [...]

Someone, don’t deflect the issue. The Soetero voters (like you) weren’t under some bizzare spell: the Soetero voters are simply a bunch of ignorants – for further reference check the Zogby poll.
One is stumblin’, one is stoned, another one is on prison furlough, the other one is confident that the jury will prove him innocent, that crew there had to make a partnership in order to put together $10 for a case of booze, the line there are paid with $20 debit cards, the other one is dead, the crew there are all illegals – hey, power to the people!
Can you inform us whether your debit card went through?

Nov 29, 2008 - 9:10 pm 72. misanthropicus:

8. misanthropicus:

Reality objective exists, despite liberals’ unshakable belief to the contrary – and as those who still bother to observe the show, Obama’s agenda has no resemblance whatsoever to what he promised, or his strange followers appear(ed) to believe that he promised.
The foreign affairs predicaments faced today by America have not lessened, but are greater – and Bush or Carl Rove haven’y caused this. The economic crisis hasn’t been caused by homophobes, but it is a long due correction to long history of legislative neglect, lack of attention for the globalizantion’s side effect, common (global) greed, and sheer stupidity (I remember Kenneth Gailbraith once talking about the stupidity cycle), and this history transcends the last few presidential terms.

Re #68/BuffaloBoy: “[...] And if one more moron blames the mortgage crisis soley on Clinton and the CRA I’m going to take off my shoe and beat them with it. You want to know how the mortgage mess really went down [...]”

BuffalloBoy, stop making smoke around. The following is from my post #8 on this thread responding to the issue, and now addressing your rant:

[...] And whatever Obama promised, that’s gone. As much as they can, media will muffle the discrepancies between the “hope ‘n change/yes, we can!” candidate’s rhetoric and his, gosh! pragmatic decisions, then some criticism will appear.
Yet for many Obama’s actions will always remain unassailable – the liberals’ response to his appointments is a good example that they will take anything from him, even Donald Rumsfeld as DOD secretary. [...]”

Now retire to the closest SoeteroDepot and ask for better instructions to deal with this gross affair that Soetero’s presidency appears to be.
Bye -

Nov 29, 2008 - 9:19 pm 73. misanthropicus:

RE # 68/ BuffaloBoy [...] underprivileged overachiever [...]” or, Fleecing the flock – the ongoing Obama/Ponzi scheme:

“Obama wants more money from his believers” by Ed Lasky/ American Thinker

“Peter Funt, an Obama supporter, complains in the Washington Post about being solicited for yet more money by the Obama forces, after The One already raised far more money than any campaign in history. This is not easy to write, because I consider the election of Barack Obama to be one of the most inspiring political and social developments of my lifetime. I truly mean no disrespect when I say: Stop asking for money. …
But now, despite the extent to which Americans have supported the Obama campaign, comes Plouffe again with an e-mail I find particularly riling. “Will you support the Obama-Biden transition,” he wrote on Nov. 21, “with a donation of $250 or more?”
Money from “grass-roots supporters,” he claims, will prevent the “secretive undertakings” of previous presidential transitions.
Taxpayers are already funding the Obama transition to the tune of $6.3 million. Apparently that’s not enough, which is why tapped-out contributors are being asked to dig deeper into their pockets. Unlike election financing, in which Team Obama had to forgo taxpayer money when opting for private donations, in transition financing it can keep all the taxpayer money plus whatever comes in from those with anything left under the mattress. [...]

Nov 29, 2008 - 9:38 pm 74. Judy, NYC:

…”start writing about things that are worth reading. We’ve all had enough of these retaliatory pieces from you”. posted by Someone75

this is beyond deja vu. the same psychopaths are still posting instructions to writers who analyze this president-elect. and here i thought they would be curled up in a fetal position. after their hate-filled drubbing of hillary clinton, obama’s throwing them under the bus instead, is a true masterpiece of karma.

yet, here they are, in complete denial that obama’s secretary of defense is gw’s, and just about everyone else is from the clinton administration (those racists, remember that?). obama, has managed to assert his special needs, however, by rehiring a certifiable anti-semite and arab muslim terrorist lover, the deranged ms. powers.

ah, well. the appointment of ms. powers only affects america’s policy on dealing with terrorist states. no biggie.

Nov 29, 2008 - 9:44 pm 75. Ventrue:

Shame, shame, misanthropicus…is that really the best you can do? You are proving to be quite the disappointment. You’re devolving by the post. But please do keep it up….keep reminding America that they did the right thing by politically neutering people like you.

61. Jeff Weimer:

As you have found out, the individuals like the one referenced above are a big reason why your side is out of power. You have some serious housecleaning to do before the next election cycle rolls around.

If Barry, as you call him, will be your boss, you must be in the military. Were you, perhaps, stationed in Antarctica throughout the 90s or are you so very young as to not be aware of the level of hate and invective directed at President Clinton? Bush had it quite easy by comparison. As I pointed out to our friends on the right a more than a decade ago when they thought they were going to accomplish by impeachment what they failed to do at the ballot box, there would, one day, be another Republican in the White House…..although at the time, I was sure we would’ve gotten at least one term out of Gore. I cautioned them at the time that we who supported our president would be taking notes and taking names….and woe to the next Republican who took up residence at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. If we on the left did a yeoman’s job roughing up GWB, you should pat yourself on the back….we had excellent preceptors.

So please….spare us the sanctimonious “nobler than thou” speech about how your opposition will be principled whereas ours is vindictive. It is people on your side of the political aisle that have riven this nation along ideological lines over the last twenty years and brought the level of dicourse to the sad state that it is today, starting with Michael Dukakis, raised to an art form during the Clinton administration, continued against Gore and finally culminated in the swiftboating of John Kerry. You guys tried it with Obama but I guess the well was finally dry the fifth time around. But hey, that doesn’t stop the more pedestrian elements among you from trying even though the people have spoken.

And what rewards have you reaped for your efforts? A near total loss of power, an electorate that is, at best, antipathetic towards your world view http://www.gallup.com/poll/112015/GOP-Takes-Another-Image-Hit-PostElection.aspx, and you’ve managed to make enemies of nearly half of your countrymen. Nice work.

However, in the spirit of the times, I am willing to take you at your word when you say that your opposition will be loyal. But if you don’t mind, I think I will slightly alter a tenet of Ronald Reagan’s to suit my own purposes when it comes to the conservative collective: Verify, THEN trust.

We’re watching you…..

Nov 29, 2008 - 11:21 pm 76. lee:

American’s aren’t likely to turn against Obama that quick. Although if you’re anything like the woman in the video, a huge ‘letdown’ is pretty much inevitable.

Still, After reaching the highest of the high, he’ll probably come back down to earth after the honeymoon stage. I expect his approval rating to hover around 50-60% after his first two years or so.

I expect a two term Obama presidency. I don’t think Union and Latino support will wither away in the upcoming years (although who knows?). The GOP needs to learn from some or their mistakes and start making a comeback in congress. He might be president for 8 years, but as long as the conservative voice strengthens, I’ll be fine with it.

Nov 29, 2008 - 11:44 pm 77. john from cinncinatti:

soeterophants: deny that he is dusting off the old D.C. shoes, and getting ready to put them on again. hope and change indeed. donald rumsfeld at the white house? wasn’t he part of those old failed policies we were hoping to get away from. what can we get paul bremer to do?

Nov 30, 2008 - 12:04 am 78. susan:

70% if single women voted for obama because obviously they are in desperate need of a man, or an image of it, or an empty suit representing an image of a man.

100% of immigrants or locals who are too lazy to work and want government handouts voted for obama 94% of blacks voted for the “brother”, that comprise the 10-15% he needed to win.

Such people do not possess the minimal intelligence or capability to vote for someone else, therefore they will support him to death.

You cannot reason with blacks or drooling women but at least you can prevent lazy immigrants from voting.

It’s a sad state of affairs since the core american values have been diluted in a PC crap of multiculturalism and every other race/group is better than the majority.

I really don’t know what to tell you. Of course the media and establishment will erase every single mistake that he will do so the stupid masses will go on thinking they are geniuses and voted for another genius.

PS: for someone above who wrote that obama is an overachiever. Using plenty of affirmative action programs policies to me is not being an overachiever. Check your facts.

Nov 30, 2008 - 5:01 am 79. Thinking Person:

Obama hasn’t even been sworn in yet folks. Let’s wait until Jan. 20 as our liberal friends insist we do THEN we can watch him disappoint his liberal, unblinking masses of followers. I can wait. I’m taking notes.

Nov 30, 2008 - 6:53 am 80. Jeff Weimer:

Ventrue, I served the entirety of both Bushes and Clinton, I know of where I speak. So spare me YOUR sanctimony about how bad democrats have gotten from republicans. Dukakis? You forget, it was Gore who brought up Willie Horton. Bush never mentioned him directly, but it’s now conventional wisdom. Clinton? we went a bit too far, but YOUR side played it’s nasty political games plenty before and during – see the referenced Bork and Thomas hearings for political character asssassination. Gore? Please, there was nothing he didn’t bring on himself – and he nearly won (if he woulda won his own state…). Kerry? You actually believe that “swiftboating” is the application of mistruths? Most of what they said was the truth, some unverifiable, but not LIES. He can’t take back his “jenjis khan” testimony, can he? If you want lies in that election, ask Mary Mapes and Dan Rather.

Nov 30, 2008 - 7:16 am 81. FLMom:

When Obama policies and international naiveté lead to gasoline approaching $10 per gallon, I only ask that those with Obama stickers on their cars recognize their role in the mess. Just shut up and take it.

Nov 30, 2008 - 9:17 am 82. FLMom:

11. Aisling:
“Y’all seem to have a real misunderstanding about what most Obama supporters believe. We expect that he will change the policies of the last 8 disasterous years under a selfish, greedy, inarticulate president. The Bush administration has left an incredible mess to be cleaned up and it’s not going to be an easy job.”

Of course you would never spread the blame to include that power-hungry, big spending gang called Congress. At least Bush was able to rein in their agenda to a slight degree. Obama is likely to encourage even more spending, regulation and waste. In a few months time we will know which branch of government is holding the leash or if they are merrily strolling along hand in hand.

Nov 30, 2008 - 9:31 am 83. Ann:

Rachel Peepers….thanks. Nice to see a bunch of feisty, thinking conservatives doing repeat postings!

Nov 30, 2008 - 11:18 am 84. Mike:

#4. Rachel Peepers:

“Jim Jones drink of the month club selection”

Brilliant and I love it! I know it’s your phrase but can we use it?? Kyle-Anne, I too wish I thought of that one.
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By the way, I hope all you rich liberals out there are going to pay a bunch of taxes because Joe Biden said it’s your patriotic duty to do so and I am waiting for my share of the free stuff Obama promised me.

Nov 30, 2008 - 11:46 am 85. SukieTawdry:

An “underprivileged overachiever?” Obama?? When exactly did all this “underprivilege” take place?

Oh, I know, he likes to talk about being raised by a single mom on food stamps, but Ann Dunham hardly fit the image of the struggling single mother such talk is meant to evoke. No, she was by choice a college student in between husbands who availed herself of taxpayer subsidies. Her second husband, with whom Obama lived from age three through ten, was an executive with Mobil Oil. His grandmother with whom he lived after age 10 was the first female vice president at Hawaii’s largest bank. He attended a prestigious private prep school where his tuition was paid mostly by scholarships. He then enrolled in a pricey private liberal arts college transferring after his sophomore year to the Ivy League. Later, of course, he went to Harvard Law. Hardly a life of underprivilege.

Now, what about all that “over-achievement?” By his own admission, Obama spent his two years at Occidental drinking, doing drugs and seeking the fellowship of radicals. His Columbia years are largely a mystery although he claims he spent most of his time in the library. And yet, he managed to graduate without honors, without even departmental honors. Obama has allowed access to neither his grades nor his test scores. Since he is inclined to a self-celebratory, self-congratulatory vanity, we must conclude that those grades and scores would demonstrate that his advancements in higher education were based on something other than merit. On what basis did he transfer to Columbia? If his SATs and GPA were that good, he would have shared them with us. Even an Ivy League degree unencumbered by honors will not get you into Harvard Law. Perhaps his LSATs were out of the park, but surely if that had been the case, he would have shared. His election to the Law Review presidency was an achievement to be sure, but by the time he had come along, that position was no longer a merit appointment as Harvard by then bowed to the great diversity gods. He did, of course, graduate from Harvard with honors.

There is nothing in the Law Review over which he presided with his name attached and it is said to be the least referenced Law Review in its history. Although Obama spent a dozen years teaching constitutional law at the University of Chicago, he published nothing (not even a amicus brief). And yet, tenure could have been his for the asking. He has no notable achievements in the fields of law, community organizing, business (although his tenure there was brief) or as a state or federal legislator. His only executive experience was assessing, monitoring and funding program proposals for the Chicago Anneberg Challenge, a project that was deemed an abject failure by even by its own evaluation committee. It seems through the years that Obama has been most adept at promoting himself and positioning for the next big move without ever sticking with one thing long enough to make a difference. He has been the most successful at using his race and biography to facilitate his climb to the top (where he finally will be forced to actually perform). It should not be underestimated that, as Joe Biden so helpfully pointed out, Obama is “the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy.” But underprivileged and overachieved? Hardly. In fact, if it’s an overprivileged underachiever you’re looking for, you could do lots worse than Barack Obama. The disillusionment will come and it will be painful.

Nov 30, 2008 - 12:27 pm 86. Войска ПВО:

Someone75 writes:

“I for one never had the illusion that Obama was perfect. There were things I didn’t like about him way back in January when I voted for him in Iowa.

Get a life and start writing about things that are worth reading. We’ve all had enough of these retaliatory pieces from you. Or, if you have nothing useful or interesting to say, how about taking a break?”

..you should take a break, “No-One”. Your crap is far less worth reading that Ms Shiver’s. Concensus is, you for one are alone and outnumbered by the swooning masses of folks who expect Obama to provide them with their Messiah-fix and pay for their gas and rent.

Nov 30, 2008 - 12:36 pm 87. sloan machine:

Nice try, you wingnut moonbat…we over here in the reality-based community know that Obama is facing huge problems left over from a GOP admin of criminality and lies..we know that it will take patience and hard work to undo the damage of Bush, Cheney, Rove and the rest

This column reminds me of how YOUR people in the religio-whackjob-based community would respond…cheap, naked manipulation, coupled with cult-of-personality worship of your leaders (or have you forgotten about your diefication of Our Beloved George W, circa 2001-05?)are the hallmarks of mindless frightened sheep.. In other words, RIGHT WING REPUBLICANS..

Sorry you are so stupid, but nice try

Nov 30, 2008 - 12:44 pm 88. Someone75:

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” Your crap is far less worth reading that Ms Shiver’s.”

Good point. My ideas are worthless because you SAY they are worthless. How about I turn the tables? YOUR ideas are worthless because *I* say so! These sorts of weak non-arguments are just silly.

Nov 30, 2008 - 1:46 pm 89. susan:

slow machine, reality-based?

you mean reality show based, because your obongo clown’s life is a TV show, and a pretty pathetic one too.

Nov 30, 2008 - 2:34 pm 90. susan:

stupid75 has always failed to explain to us wny he’s stuck in the basement posting here.

Have you been refused at the kos because you’re too retard?

Nov 30, 2008 - 3:00 pm 91. The Historian:

THE CLOWNS OF CLIMATE CHANGE
As emphasized in this link, humans will never match the power of nature relative to influencing climate on planet earth:
http://greensrealworld.blogspot.com/2008/11/international-c limate-clowns.html

Nov 30, 2008 - 3:35 pm 92. Vivian:

Didn’t realize how many of these blog posters are actually liberals pretending elsewhere to be conservatives.

It won’t be Obama running the show, it will be Nancy Pelosi, and Obama will sign anything she puts under his nose. He’ll have to. He hasn’t really earned the right to be President, and if he doesn’t know it already, he soon will. By “earned”, I naturally don’t mean he didn’t win the election, but by any objective standard, he hasn’t earned it the way most other presidential candidates have. That means, he’s been given some special support which will then have to be paid back. I don’t think he’s got the character, even if he wanted to, to buck Pelosi and Reid.

Nov 30, 2008 - 4:22 pm 93. Disappionted in America:

Remember All this started when the Democrats took over & 82% of the people that voted for Obama didn’t know who his running mate was,and if I would Have Listen to Rev. Wright for 20yrs I would have hate in my heart for America
too.

Nov 30, 2008 - 6:15 pm 94. Rachel Peepers:

Mike,

All these compliments are enough to make a girl blush.

Please, be my guest, the drink selection line is yours to use anytime, anyplace.

You see, from “Exiled” a quirky anti-russian newspaper to bloggers here and there, I’m often the target of some pretty harsh criticism. So when I write something that people compliment, it’s a breath of fresh air.
regards, rachel

Nov 30, 2008 - 7:18 pm 95. Observer:

Just an observation. The quote is actually not from William Shakespeare. It is from a seventeenth century English dramatatist of some brillance, William Congreve. It is from his work the “Mourning Bride” and the correct quote is “Heav’n has no rage, love to hatred turn’d, Nor Hell a fury, like a woman scorn’d.” I am not sure that this takes the argument much further.

Nov 30, 2008 - 7:55 pm 96. CFM:

“I expect a two term Obama presidency. ” Hey! Knock that off – I just ate.

Nov 30, 2008 - 9:25 pm 97. BuffaloBoy:

@misanthropicus:

You’re a moron, and you have no idea what you are talking about. I just want to slap at least of few of you back into reality, ok?

Why people voted for Obama:

He has a better plan.

He isn’t even President yet and you morons are coming up with the most unbelievable (READ: unbelievable) nonsense ever seen. You even criticize the fact that Obama has his kids in a private school. Who do you think really would blame him for that? I think half of you are smoking frickin meth(crack for crackers). No one believes it except for you, and you are OUT for FOUR YEARS.

Hallelujah!

Obama ain’t the diety, we know that. But he’s better than anybody that you have to offer and that’s why he won. I’m just glad you fools can’t drive the country into the ground any further.

And about his campaign contributions: You don’t have any clue what he’s really going to do with that money do you? And you aren’t going to either until he actually does it. And that’s the way it should be as that is the Law. duh.

Nov 30, 2008 - 9:26 pm 98. susan:

“You even criticize the fact that Obama has his kids in a private school. ”

that’s called being hypocritical, and strangely enough all the leftist parties who oppose vouchers for private schools ALL have their kids in private ones. I am not american but it’s the same everywhere.

“And about his campaign contributions: You don’t have any clue what he’s really going to do with that money do you? ”

again, HE was the one who said he was for public financing. Again, he was the one hypocritical.

Why such an intelligent person (as his slaves are telling us) is forced to flip flop on so many issues? doesn’t he have the mental capabilities to have an original, single thought that he can stick with?

so much for his plan, there is not a single thing he hasn’t flip flopped on.

It’s the flip flop plan you are talking about

Dec 1, 2008 - 3:34 am 99. Cybergeezer:

If you think educated ignorance can be countered by intelligence and common sense, take a good look at Islam and how it has grown in your lifetime, however short that may be.
The media has decided to use Islamic techniques on its readers and listeners. Obama attended a church that professed these techniques. It would not be any surprise as to the number of Obama supporters that would strap on a suicide vest if they had a chance to meet George Bush in the Oval Office.
American fore fathers were aware that people of those times had a basic respect for an almighty entity. Thus, “In God We Trust”.
As the ignorance pendulum swings today, in bigger weapons we trust.

Dec 1, 2008 - 5:59 am 100. CNN: We barley know Him - Truckingboards Truck Drivers Forum:

[...] Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned, Nor hell a fury like a woman scorned. — William Shakespeare If Billy Shakespeare were still with us, I’m quite certain he would do us the favor of coining some nifty expressions to describe Obamaland and its inhabitants. I’ve no doubt whatsoever that the talented English bard would relentlessly pick the beast of Obama-worship down to the very marrow of its bones. I’ve no doubt either that the witty Bill S. would take his first, perfectly aimed quill-strike at the inevitable disillusionment of Obama followers, possessed by utterly unrealistic expectations. In the absence of William Shakespeare, I’ll have a whack at it myself: Obamaland has no rage like love to hatred turned, Nor hell a fury like a supporter scorned. Oh, where to begin? Obamaland is proving to be such a target-rich environment. Pajamas Media » Gravest Threat to Obamaland: Disillusionment [...]

Dec 1, 2008 - 6:01 am 101. ew:

This is interesting contrast in light to the story I read this morning about the liberal illuminati saying they think Obama will be respected more throughout the world just because he is “black.” (not that even he technically, fully is…)

Dec 1, 2008 - 9:55 am 102. Войска ПВО:

Someone75 writes:

“Good point. My ideas are worthless because you SAY they are worthless.”
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Oh yeah? Well, your mother wears combat boots! I have pictures.

Dec 1, 2008 - 10:31 am 103. misanthropicus:

RE: #97/BuffaloBoy: “[...] @misanthropicus: You are a moron [...] Why people voted for Obama: He has a better plan. [...] I think half of you are smoking frickin meth(crack for crackers). [...]”

BufBo – remember “No more four Bush years! Change we can believe in!” and more similar crap going around for two years and simpletons like you sniffing them?
Now inhale deeply: Obama has a better plan- everything, but everything that Obama promised is GONE. Everything that he SEEMED to promise (he’s Holograma, after all) is gone, over. Everything is gone, he has no plans whatsoever (if he ever had)- after the rush he got after election, he panicked because indeed what it takes for the office is well beyond his paygrade, and surrounded himself with figures of authority and experience who will call the shots.
And so little Barry’s most excellent journey can continue – uncle Larry, uncle Gates, auntie Hillary, uncle Biden, they are all there running the show while little Barry can blissfully press on the “Present” button (I tell you, he’s good at that).
How can you still speak about Obama having a plan, it’s beyond any normal person’s reason – unless you already know that he’s in secret dealings with the RNC for signing up as Republican.
Plan – show me a precise hologram, BufBo.

Dec 1, 2008 - 6:41 pm 104. Left Coast Conservative:

It is only a matter of time now until the shrieking begins on the far left. Obama cannot appease all of his base. If he caters to Pelosi and company, then he will quickly lose his “uhhhhh, what?” voters as they start to figure out that he isn’t what they thought. If he caters to the middle of the road, the fanatics on the left will…what was Jesse Jackson’s phrase for it?

Ah yes, cut them off. He is in a lose, lose situation and not only is Hillary now poising (again) to pounce in 4 (could she) or 8 years, but also the mid-terms have the potential to swing back conservative.

We are a conservative nation, people and we vote that way on issues. Look at Prop 8 in California. Obama is in a bad situation.

Dec 1, 2008 - 7:59 pm 105. Mike:

How can the leftists and liberals not LOVE Obama??. After all, he will lower sealevel, fill their gas tanks for free and pay their mortgages. Won’t he??

Dec 1, 2008 - 8:27 pm 106. Fiddlededee:

Seems that the line of lemmings at the cliff is getting shorter, eh? I suppose the libs would have to wake up sooner or later. I guess before jumping off the cliff is as good-a-time as any….

Remember: Disillusionment is one step closer to enlightenment and wisdom. A bit late, but better late than never….

Dec 1, 2008 - 8:38 pm 107. Kasia:

Simple substitute a few organizational labels and this banter is no different from religious nonsense. Ideology is a religion. Go back to science class and learn how to effectively manage things using the scientific method. Yes, it is possible to evaluate social policy, government programs and business practices and determine which work, which do not, and which are destructive to civilization. Money and religion are not the only things.

Dec 24, 2009 - 7:45 pm