Comments on: Guantanamo: A ‘False Choice Between Our Safety and Our Ideals’? http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/guantanamo-a-false-choice-between-our-safety-and-our-ideals/ Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:25:21 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Pajewmas tuba teakettle of fish http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/guantanamo-a-false-choice-between-our-safety-and-our-ideals/comment-page-2/#comment-193352 Pajewmas tuba teakettle of fish Thu, 29 Jan 2009 00:36:12 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=44881#comment-193352 Excuse my mistake, I meant to state this as: You know it wasn’t too long ago the USA was performing lobotomies on our own citizens, "in a crude way." Excuse my mistake, I meant to state this as:
You know it wasn’t too long ago the USA was performing lobotomies on our own citizens, “in a crude way.”

]]> By: Pajewmas tuba teakettle of fish http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/guantanamo-a-false-choice-between-our-safety-and-our-ideals/comment-page-2/#comment-193285 Pajewmas tuba teakettle of fish Wed, 28 Jan 2009 22:15:12 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=44881#comment-193285 What I’d like to know, are these detainees that are tried in a court of law, will they be open to psychiatric evaluation? You know it wasn’t too long ago the USA was performing lobotomies on our own citizens. We were doing the procedures with ice picks http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/lobotomist/program/ I was wondering if it would be considered cruel and unusual punishment to have that option on the table for combatants found guilty of harm to themselves and others? This would serve as huge deterrent to possible future would be suicide bombers, and also possibly solve the threat of future attacks. IMO Here is a modern version of how a lobotomy is now being administered: http://thetyee.ca/News/2006/10/26/DBS/ What I’d like to know, are these detainees that are tried in a court of law, will they be open to psychiatric evaluation? You know it wasn’t too long ago the USA was performing lobotomies on our own citizens. We were doing the procedures with ice picks
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/lobotomist/program/
I was wondering if it would be considered cruel and unusual punishment to have that option on the table for combatants found guilty of harm to themselves and others? This would serve as huge deterrent to possible future would be suicide bombers, and also possibly solve the threat of future attacks. IMO

Here is a modern version of how a lobotomy is now being administered:
http://thetyee.ca/News/2006/10/26/DBS/

]]> By: geoffgo http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/guantanamo-a-false-choice-between-our-safety-and-our-ideals/comment-page-2/#comment-192635 geoffgo Tue, 27 Jan 2009 13:34:58 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=44881#comment-192635 Westguard#79, Worse yet, these jihadies would have to have Muslims on the jury, in order to make it a jury of his peers. Westguard#79,

Worse yet, these jihadies would have to have Muslims on the jury, in order to make it a jury of his peers.

]]> By: EdGi http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/guantanamo-a-false-choice-between-our-safety-and-our-ideals/comment-page-2/#comment-192260 EdGi Mon, 26 Jan 2009 18:00:40 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=44881#comment-192260 Actually, the burden is on us, not Obama, to show why we cannot allow terrorists to take another shot. A majority gave Obama the power to do stupid things, largely because we were unable to make our case of an immenent threat from a clear and present danger to that consensus majority. That is our problem, not Obamas. He does not have to make any case to us, only to his majority. Actually, the burden is on us, not Obama, to show why we cannot allow terrorists to take another shot. A majority gave Obama the power to do stupid things, largely because we were unable to make our case of an immenent threat from a clear and present danger to that consensus majority. That is our problem, not Obamas. He does not have to make any case to us, only to his majority.

]]> By: WestGuard http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/guantanamo-a-false-choice-between-our-safety-and-our-ideals/comment-page-2/#comment-191978 WestGuard Mon, 26 Jan 2009 00:09:00 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=44881#comment-191978 Putting these creatures on trial in civilian courts is a very very bad idea. All that is needed for a hung jury or mistrial is to have one libtard with a Ward Churchill mentality or a sympathetic towelhead on the jury. They could also walk based on the CIA not being willing to share confidential sources or methods of intelligence gathering in open public courts. Putting these creatures on trial in civilian courts is a very very bad idea. All that is needed for a hung jury or mistrial is to have one libtard with a Ward Churchill mentality or a sympathetic towelhead on the jury.

They could also walk based on the CIA not being willing to share confidential sources or methods of intelligence gathering in open public courts.

]]> By: Bugs http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/guantanamo-a-false-choice-between-our-safety-and-our-ideals/comment-page-2/#comment-191963 Bugs Sun, 25 Jan 2009 23:15:04 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=44881#comment-191963 I can envision certain countries agreeing to take on their "fair share" of prisoners - and then releasing them in a few months based on technicalities within their own legal systems. Sending these people to "Norway and Sweden and France" would be a very bad idea. On the other hand, I think the good ol' American justice bureaucracy is more than capable of keeping many of them in limbo - and therefore in jail - pretty much indefinitely. Historian: You can tell the truth until you're blue in the face - but in politics (as in history) the truth doesn't matter if you can't make people believe it. The Left has successfully implanted the idea in many minds that "interrogation at Gitmo = torture." THAT is the reality we have to deal with - not the "real" reality. I'm hoping Obama is dealing with it and not caving in to the ideologues. I can envision certain countries agreeing to take on their “fair share” of prisoners – and then releasing them in a few months based on technicalities within their own legal systems. Sending these people to “Norway and Sweden and France” would be a very bad idea.

On the other hand, I think the good ol’ American justice bureaucracy is more than capable of keeping many of them in limbo – and therefore in jail – pretty much indefinitely.

Historian: You can tell the truth until you’re blue in the face – but in politics (as in history) the truth doesn’t matter if you can’t make people believe it. The Left has successfully implanted the idea in many minds that “interrogation at Gitmo = torture.” THAT is the reality we have to deal with – not the “real” reality. I’m hoping Obama is dealing with it and not caving in to the ideologues.

]]> By: The Historian http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/guantanamo-a-false-choice-between-our-safety-and-our-ideals/comment-page-2/#comment-191957 The Historian Sun, 25 Jan 2009 22:56:19 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=44881#comment-191957 AT GITMO, INTERROGATION IS NOT TORTURE Torture typically involves physical pain and long term if not pernament injury. Using psychological interrogation techniques sometimes resembles what goes on within families! http://greensrealworld.blogspot.com/2009/01/interrogating-enemy-combatants.html AT GITMO, INTERROGATION IS NOT TORTURE
Torture typically involves physical pain and long term if not pernament injury. Using psychological interrogation techniques sometimes resembles what goes on within families!

http://greensrealworld.blogspot.com/2009/01/interrogating-enemy-combatants.html

]]> By: vivo http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/guantanamo-a-false-choice-between-our-safety-and-our-ideals/comment-page-2/#comment-191706 vivo Sun, 25 Jan 2009 10:22:28 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=44881#comment-191706 15. Sarah: "Well if nothing else this will teach our troops not to bother bringing people in for questioning, they can just go ahead and shoot them where they find them!" How could Cheney miss this one?? 15. Sarah:

“Well if nothing else this will teach our troops not to bother bringing people in for questioning, they can just go ahead and shoot them where they find them!”

How could Cheney miss this one??

]]> By: vivo http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/guantanamo-a-false-choice-between-our-safety-and-our-ideals/comment-page-2/#comment-191705 vivo Sun, 25 Jan 2009 10:19:30 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=44881#comment-191705 Another solution is to put them all in a cruise ship, which accidentally floods and sinks. Or, open a new jail in Antartica and have a heating malfunction. Or . . . :) Another solution is to put them all in a cruise ship, which accidentally floods and sinks.

Or, open a new jail in Antartica and have a heating malfunction.

Or . . . :)

]]> By: vivo http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/guantanamo-a-false-choice-between-our-safety-and-our-ideals/comment-page-2/#comment-191703 vivo Sun, 25 Jan 2009 10:13:46 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=44881#comment-191703 The obvious solution is to send some of them to Crawford and Austin, Texas, some to Cheney's and have them deal with them. Cheney knows how to shoot. Let them run around their properties and organize a hunting party. Lots of accidents can happen and after a trial, Obama can pardon the accused. The obvious solution is to send some of them to Crawford and Austin, Texas, some to Cheney’s and have them deal with them. Cheney knows how to shoot. Let them run around their properties and organize a hunting party. Lots of accidents can happen and after a trial, Obama can pardon the accused.

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