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		<title>By: Shaheer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaheer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 01:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People are panicking for no reason. A week has 168 hours. Only 6 hours are devoted to segregated sessions for women. For WOMEN - not just muslim women. What is the big deal here. Have people thought about that some are gender shy? Simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People are panicking for no reason. A week has 168 hours. Only 6 hours are devoted to segregated sessions for women. For WOMEN &#8211; not just muslim women. What is the big deal here. Have people thought about that some are gender shy? Simple.</p>
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		<title>By: Laika's Last Woof</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/harvards-segregated-gym/comment-page-2/#comment-30857</link>
		<dc:creator>Laika's Last Woof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 20:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I do find myself continually puzzled by the liberal establishment’s willingness to shoot it’s own kneecaps off.&quot;

Liberal pacifism requires them to appease anyone who belongs to a group willing to use violence to get its way.
It makes them slaves to the &quot;heckler&#039;s veto&quot;.  The only difference this time is instead of censorship the veto is cast for segregation.  There wasn&#039;t even a specific threat this time;  liberals have just gotten so used to surrendering they do it preemptively now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I do find myself continually puzzled by the liberal establishment’s willingness to shoot it’s own kneecaps off.&#8221;</p>
<p>Liberal pacifism requires them to appease anyone who belongs to a group willing to use violence to get its way.<br />
It makes them slaves to the &#8220;heckler&#8217;s veto&#8221;.  The only difference this time is instead of censorship the veto is cast for segregation.  There wasn&#8217;t even a specific threat this time;  liberals have just gotten so used to surrendering they do it preemptively now.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Douglas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Douglas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 04:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about you do some more research before writing Annie? None of what you say is even close to being right concerning the Islamic faith and I&#039;m pretty sure your ass isn&#039;t in the gym the whole day so how about you let these women have their 6 hours of peace?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about you do some more research before writing Annie? None of what you say is even close to being right concerning the Islamic faith and I&#8217;m pretty sure your ass isn&#8217;t in the gym the whole day so how about you let these women have their 6 hours of peace?</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Spade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Spade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 20:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an interesting discussion to read.  I do find myself continually puzzled by the liberal establishment&#039;e willingness to shoot it&#039;s own kneecaps off.  Do they realize they are bringing to pass the death of everything they allegedly believe and fought for these last 50 years?  The only logical answer that occurs to me is that they do not really believe in them.  Or, they are morally bankrupt and the movement has been hijacked by idiots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an interesting discussion to read.  I do find myself continually puzzled by the liberal establishment&#8217;e willingness to shoot it&#8217;s own kneecaps off.  Do they realize they are bringing to pass the death of everything they allegedly believe and fought for these last 50 years?  The only logical answer that occurs to me is that they do not really believe in them.  Or, they are morally bankrupt and the movement has been hijacked by idiots.</p>
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		<title>By: Laika's Last Woof</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/harvards-segregated-gym/comment-page-2/#comment-29067</link>
		<dc:creator>Laika's Last Woof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 02:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;... suggests to me that moslems in America are beginning to flex ...&quot;
Exactly so.  On a subconscious level they&#039;re disrespecting us as a test to see how we&#039;ll respond.  It&#039;s in their nature, or at least in their speeches and literature.
If we respond with Harvard-like blind appeasement they&#039;ll turn America into France.  If we set boundaries and stick to them we&#039;ll be choosing a future in which all religions, Islam included, coexist in harmony and relative peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230; suggests to me that moslems in America are beginning to flex &#8230;&#8221;<br />
Exactly so.  On a subconscious level they&#8217;re disrespecting us as a test to see how we&#8217;ll respond.  It&#8217;s in their nature, or at least in their speeches and literature.<br />
If we respond with Harvard-like blind appeasement they&#8217;ll turn America into France.  If we set boundaries and stick to them we&#8217;ll be choosing a future in which all religions, Islam included, coexist in harmony and relative peace.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Skeete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Skeete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 23:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have not been fortunate to attend a university as prestigious as Harvard, so please forgive me if these questions appear stupid.

When a muslim woman wants to go for a swim does she ask the authorities to set aside two hours of a certain day and bar all males from the beach for that period?

How about when she wants to go jogging? Does she ask the park authorities to ban all males from being in the vicinity of the park for a few hours of a specific period? 

What if she wants to go for a vigorous walk cross country? etc., etc. I am sure you are beginning to get my meaning. (By the way, how many moslem female athletes are they at Harvard, and what do they wear when representing Harvard?)

So if moslem women manage to exercise outdoors, swimming, jogging, walking in public (that is assuming that they do, since I have never seen anyone in full moslem regalia out jogging), then I am sure they can find a way to do it at Harvard without seeking special privileges.

And the fact that they are requesting (demanding?) these privileges, that they really do not need since they do all of the above without it, suggests to me that moslems in America are beginning to flex either their money or their political muscle in a way that not even a fool like me would accept.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have not been fortunate to attend a university as prestigious as Harvard, so please forgive me if these questions appear stupid.</p>
<p>When a muslim woman wants to go for a swim does she ask the authorities to set aside two hours of a certain day and bar all males from the beach for that period?</p>
<p>How about when she wants to go jogging? Does she ask the park authorities to ban all males from being in the vicinity of the park for a few hours of a specific period? </p>
<p>What if she wants to go for a vigorous walk cross country? etc., etc. I am sure you are beginning to get my meaning. (By the way, how many moslem female athletes are they at Harvard, and what do they wear when representing Harvard?)</p>
<p>So if moslem women manage to exercise outdoors, swimming, jogging, walking in public (that is assuming that they do, since I have never seen anyone in full moslem regalia out jogging), then I am sure they can find a way to do it at Harvard without seeking special privileges.</p>
<p>And the fact that they are requesting (demanding?) these privileges, that they really do not need since they do all of the above without it, suggests to me that moslems in America are beginning to flex either their money or their political muscle in a way that not even a fool like me would accept.</p>
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		<title>By: jw</title>
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		<dc:creator>jw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 11:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yaakov Watkins has made a good point;  the so-called feminists at Harvard forced Larry Summers out as President because he dared to suggest that there might be differences in cognitive abilities due to biological differences between the sexes.  (By the way,  Doreen Kimura, a distinguished psychologist, published a book by MIT Press in 2000 entitled &quot;Sex and Cognition&quot; in which she shows just that.)  Now Harvard allocates a gym for six hours to women-only, but none to men-only.  (My college allocated hours for the swimming pool for women-only and for men-only.)
Why did Harvard accept $20 million from the Saudi Arabian millionaire in the first place?  Harvard is swimming in money.  Do the administrators have an unquenchable desire for an infinite amount of money?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yaakov Watkins has made a good point;  the so-called feminists at Harvard forced Larry Summers out as President because he dared to suggest that there might be differences in cognitive abilities due to biological differences between the sexes.  (By the way,  Doreen Kimura, a distinguished psychologist, published a book by MIT Press in 2000 entitled &#8220;Sex and Cognition&#8221; in which she shows just that.)  Now Harvard allocates a gym for six hours to women-only, but none to men-only.  (My college allocated hours for the swimming pool for women-only and for men-only.)<br />
Why did Harvard accept $20 million from the Saudi Arabian millionaire in the first place?  Harvard is swimming in money.  Do the administrators have an unquenchable desire for an infinite amount of money?</p>
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		<title>By: Yaakov Watkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yaakov Watkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 05:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact that in the US, most women have abandoned modesty, does not make modesty bad.  As a man who does not want to be around half-naked women (except the one I&#039;m married to), I avoid shopping malls.  I do as much shopping online as possible.  I don&#039;t watch television and I don&#039;t go to sports events.  I applaud Moslem women&#039;s modesty and determination to not be sex objects.  

That being said, nobody is noticing the obvious about why Harvard is willing to fire a president one year for suggesting that boys and girls are different and then to introduce gender-segregated exercise facilities the next.  

I would bet that some Moslem donor, (probably Saudi) made a series of large multi-year donations on the condition that Harvard change the rules for the gym.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that in the US, most women have abandoned modesty, does not make modesty bad.  As a man who does not want to be around half-naked women (except the one I&#8217;m married to), I avoid shopping malls.  I do as much shopping online as possible.  I don&#8217;t watch television and I don&#8217;t go to sports events.  I applaud Moslem women&#8217;s modesty and determination to not be sex objects.  </p>
<p>That being said, nobody is noticing the obvious about why Harvard is willing to fire a president one year for suggesting that boys and girls are different and then to introduce gender-segregated exercise facilities the next.  </p>
<p>I would bet that some Moslem donor, (probably Saudi) made a series of large multi-year donations on the condition that Harvard change the rules for the gym.</p>
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		<title>By: Harvard&#8217;s Jim Crow Gym &#187; The Aviation Nation</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harvard&#8217;s Jim Crow Gym &#187; The Aviation Nation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Friday, a piece I wrote for Pajamas Media, &quot;Harvard&#039;s Segregated Gym,&quot; published. Many people have written to me wondering if I really played ice hockey for [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Laika's Last Woof</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laika's Last Woof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Jim Crow was enforced on the black population, not chosen by them.&quot;

So men can choose to use the gym their fees paid for any time the gym is open?

You&#039;re either stupid or you think we&#039;re stupid.  Of course segregation doesn&#039;t discriminate against its perpetrators and beneficiaries.  It&#039;s the men being thrown off the bus.

Same-sex hours might&#039;ve been a workable alternative -- there are some men out there who I can imagine would be quite embarrassed to work out in the presence of women -- but this was never about providing men and women privacy in their workouts.  From the beginning this has  been about religious thugs reopening a dark chapter of American history simply because in their world the power to intimidate is a marker of respect.
When we pay the price of respecting others by disrespecting ourselves we only pave the road to more demands for surrender of our basic values, more intimidation, and ultimately more terrorism.  It&#039;s the &quot;Strong Horse Theory&quot;, an aspect of Muslim culture one must understand in order to effectively respond to their demands.  A Weak Horse, by allowing itself to be pushed around, only invites further victimization.
We don&#039;t do Jim Crow because it&#039;s wrong.  We don&#039;t do wrong to appease others because we&#039;re the Strong Horse.  From our core values, then, comes the appropriate response to religious intimidation.
All these things are interconnected; all these decisions have consequences.  Bringing back Jim Crow is wrong and unpatriotic on a multitude of levels, and Harvard&#039;s decision reaches deeper than anyone who made it seems to understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Jim Crow was enforced on the black population, not chosen by them.&#8221;</p>
<p>So men can choose to use the gym their fees paid for any time the gym is open?</p>
<p>You&#8217;re either stupid or you think we&#8217;re stupid.  Of course segregation doesn&#8217;t discriminate against its perpetrators and beneficiaries.  It&#8217;s the men being thrown off the bus.</p>
<p>Same-sex hours might&#8217;ve been a workable alternative &#8212; there are some men out there who I can imagine would be quite embarrassed to work out in the presence of women &#8212; but this was never about providing men and women privacy in their workouts.  From the beginning this has  been about religious thugs reopening a dark chapter of American history simply because in their world the power to intimidate is a marker of respect.<br />
When we pay the price of respecting others by disrespecting ourselves we only pave the road to more demands for surrender of our basic values, more intimidation, and ultimately more terrorism.  It&#8217;s the &#8220;Strong Horse Theory&#8221;, an aspect of Muslim culture one must understand in order to effectively respond to their demands.  A Weak Horse, by allowing itself to be pushed around, only invites further victimization.<br />
We don&#8217;t do Jim Crow because it&#8217;s wrong.  We don&#8217;t do wrong to appease others because we&#8217;re the Strong Horse.  From our core values, then, comes the appropriate response to religious intimidation.<br />
All these things are interconnected; all these decisions have consequences.  Bringing back Jim Crow is wrong and unpatriotic on a multitude of levels, and Harvard&#8217;s decision reaches deeper than anyone who made it seems to understand.</p>
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