Has Obama Already Dumped Eastern European Missile Defense?

A couple of reports surface claiming the president has already decided to abandon Poland and the Czech Republic.

August 29, 2009 - by Kim Zigfeld
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A recent study by UBS shows that, among the member nations of the Group of Eight, residents of Los Angeles need to work by far the shortest time — less than 10 hours — to pay for an eight-gigabyte iPod nano (which UBS calls an “ideal example of a globally uniform product”). Montreal comes next, 10 percent longer than L.A., followed by London (15 percent longer), Tokyo (25 percent longer), Berlin (50 percent longer), Paris (60 percent longer), and Rome (twice as long).

Bringing up the rear in its usual fashion is the G8 interloper, Russia. Muscovites in Russia’s capital city must work more than three times longer than Angelinos (a whopping 36 hours) to afford an iPod — and this grossly understates the Russian burden. Moscow, unlike virtually any other major city on the planet, usurps the national wealth to an obscene extent.

Its vastly disproportional wealth means that the picture is far more dismal elsewhere in the country, where people face double-digit unemployment and consumer price inflation and work for pennies per hour, just like in the most dismal third-world state. Recent studies show tuberculosis is running rampant in Russia, as is alcoholism and a wide variety of other social ills. As a result, while the other G8 members are world leaders in adult lifespan, Russia does not even rank in the top 130 nations of the world in that category.

Yet despite this manifest American leadership — and indeed, dominance over Russia — U.S. President Barack Obama will not lead. Instead, of all things, he plans to follow Russia.

A month ago, the heroic leaders of Eastern Europe got down on their knees and begged Obama not to renege on George W. Bush’s promise to give them a missile defense system and not to give in to Russian threats and remonstrations, which were obviously designed to keep the former Soviet slave states within Russia’s imperial reach. Having seen Russian tanks rolling into Georgia, who can doubt that the Putin regime has long-term goals of reacquiring the “sphere of influence” that brought so much terror and loss of life to Eastern Europe just a few decades ago?

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Kim Zigfeld is a New York City-based writer who publishes her own Russia specialty blog, La Russophobe. She also writes about Russia for the American Thinker and for Russia! magazine and is researching a book on the rise of dictatorship in Putin’s Russia.

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59 Comments

1. Steve Sampson:

Obama will cheerfully sell out the US to become a hero in the Communist World. A personal position within the International Marxist Elite Hierarchy, trumps the security and welfare of the United States. To a naive dupe, Putin looks like the agent to Marxist stardom.

The US will be served on a platter by our Traitor in Chief to curry favor with the Russian wolf at the door. To Obama, Freedom and the Constitution are impediments to a Global Marxist Nationalism, irritants to be dealt with carefully while he castrates our country and prepares the US for Its role of submission to the Marxist Power Brokers.

Aug 29, 2009 - 1:21 am 2. Blackwater:

Worst. President. Ever.

Abandoning our allies because he’s a brainwashed, ignorant, moronic, leftist ideologue whose political education seems to have ended in the 1980s where he was bombarded with anti-Reagan lunacy from the academia left. Seriously, he’s been harping on this anti-nuclear weapons BS ever since the beginning of his presidential campaign. It resulted in one of the most embarrassing political videos I’ve ever seen. It’s a perfect display of how naive and unqualified he was to be in Congress let alone be president. I really hope nothing too horrible happens internationally before we can throw him and the rest of the Democraps out. The thought of Thief in Chief making important international decisions terrorfies me.

Aug 29, 2009 - 1:36 am 3. Blackwater:

Also we should be doing everything we can to Westernize Russia. Their military budget might be a lot less than it used to be but they still have thousands upon thousands of nuclear weapons. And they’re never going to agree to reduce them regardless of how hard Thief in Chief tries because it gives them global prominance still. They also have a vast territory, lots of natural resources, their culture is already becoming Westernized, they hate islamists just as much as we do, and if they don’t side with the West then they’ll side with China. China + Russia would be a really terrible and inholy combination for the future of humanity in my opinion. It could be a return to expansionist militant facism all over again. And they certainly won’t be a friend of the United States of America.

Aug 29, 2009 - 1:43 am 4. AL:

And why on Earth Pajama’s publishes this psychopath over and over again?

Aug 29, 2009 - 2:32 am 5. a:

When Russia protests against locating missile defense sites in the eastern Europe, US official position is that Russia has nothing to worry because this defense is targeted against rogue states like Iran and has nothing to do with Russia.

But thanks to indefatigable anti-Russian crusader Kim Zigfeld, the truth is out: this missile defense is designed and targeted at Russia.

Even better, Kim Zigfeld claims that after the WW2, fought mostly on Russia’s territory and with a terrible loss in Russian lives, Allies should have “defanged” and “induced to reform” Stalin’s state. Mind boggles. Hopefully, Kim will provide insight how it was supposed to be done. And, for an extra insight, how to do it with North Korea.

US tried to “defang” Russia in the 90-ies, with a result that extremely pro-West and pro-american Russian attitude of early 90-ies morphed into a current deep distrust.

Regarding anti-missile sites in the Eastern Europe. Russia objects that powerful missile defense radars will cover most of its European territory and make its every move transparent. These objections are nto reported. Russian fears emboldened US puppets like increasingly unstable Saakashvili, the butcher of Nothern Ossetia, the ukrainian president with a single procent popularity in his country, or the consistently anti-russian Poland. These fears are ignored. The way the Russia is painted by MSM is not much different from the way it is presented by Kim Zigfeld, or, for that matter, how republicans and conservatives in general are painted by the same MSM.

Oleg Atbashian’s in his generally excellent series commented on how the Soviet Union (and Russia) was not uniform inside. This thought is too complicated. The world of Zigfeld’s anti-Russian paranoia is much simpler. Four legs good, Russia bad – that’s all you need to know.

Why Pajamas Media had to jump on the anti-Russian bandwagon, is an interesting question. Perhaps, Mr. Atbashian may tell his thoughts on Kim Zigfeld writings?

Aug 29, 2009 - 4:22 am 6. John "birther" Samford:

“And why on Earth Pajama’s publishes this psychopath over and over again?”

Because in America EVERYONE has the right to express their opinion. That is the critical difference between the USA and the rest of the world. It is also the main reason America is the only Superpower.
I’m not sure that word means what you think it does;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopath

{snipped}
“The psychopath is defined by an uninhibited gratification in criminal, sexual, or aggressive impulses and the inability to learn from past mistakes. Individuals with this disorder gain satisfaction through their antisocial behavior and lack remorse for their actions.”

Notice it says nothing about disagreeing with your opinion.

Please stop your ad hominem attack and point out where the author has demonstrated criminal, sexual, or aggressive impulses.
I disagree with him, but not because I think he is being anti-social.
I disagree because the EU is perfectly capable of building their own Missile defense. Israel is. I also think it would be to America’s advantage to have them do so.
The real reason the Usurper is planning on dropping missile defense for Europe is the same reason his cabal wants it dropped for America also.
The Left has made it part of their dogma that a missile defense is impossible. They have been proven wrong, but the will not let go of their dogma. In order to avoid that reality, they plan on canceling Missile Defense.
Once the EU builds one, Israel has it, along with Japan and possibly S. Korea, the left will be forced to look at their dogma. Voters will say, “if the Euros, Jews, Japs and Koreans can do it, why can’t America?” That is when the chickens will come home to roost.
Of course, Russia cannot build one. They lack the technology base. China is working on stealing one. Maybe they will then sell it to the Rooskies. That’s OK, the USA offered to GIVE Russia a missile defense shield (Clinton in ‘98, IIRC). Das is goot.
I think anything that stops a nuclear tipped ICBM from hitting ANY city is a good thing.
I submit to you that anyone who is against Missile Defense is a psychopath. And I know what that word means.

Aug 29, 2009 - 5:38 am 7. misanthropicus:

“America’s Influence Declining in Middle East/ As expected by his critics, Obama’s overtures to the Muslim world have former allies changing sides, expecting Iran to be the winner/ by Joseph Puder” – says another title in PJM’s present edition says:

Very true, very sad and very, and ill-boding for America, since sooner or later we’ll reap an awful harvest from this situation. And, doubtlessly, in very large degree this situation and its unavoidable consequences it’s being caused by Obama’s destructive policies.

And Kim Ziegfield’s piece on Eastern Europe can fittingly sport the same title “America’s Influence declining in Europe, as consequence allies are changing sides… etc.”

Very bad, very sad, and doubtlessly, in very large degree this situation and its unavoidable terrible consequences is being caused by Obama’s destructive policies.

Obama has quite a large world view and sense of mission. It’s not only destruction of America as self-standing & self-sufficient nation that he’s asiduously working at – the destruction of the entire array of alliances and allegiances of outside polities towards the (formerly known as the) USA is also a high priority on his agenda, and we cannot deny that Obama’s quite succesful at that, too.

The release of the Lockerbie bomber is one of the tiny signs that announces that Obama’s vision is winning – expect more, expect up to a nuclear war facilitated by Bill Ayres’ pupil.

Aug 29, 2009 - 5:40 am 8. Marie Claude:

the race of arms made Russia economy collapsed in the eighties, so it is for the US in these days, seeems that the lesson wasn’t learnt.

Between an Obama and a Bush, a middle way would have been wise, may-be McCain was the missed opportunity

Aug 29, 2009 - 5:45 am 9. Marie Claude:

“the EU is perfectly capable of building their own Missile defense. Israel is”

so true, but until the last years (& still up to now), it wasn’t allowed to, cuz, that would have ment that these infeoded EU countries wouldn’t have bought american planes and arms (the nerve of the american economy, but theirs own made

Aug 29, 2009 - 7:17 am 10. jimpres:

Poland has not been a part of the EU that long. They put their trust in Americas to honor their word. America is now falling quickly as Rome did. Now with the dismantling of the CIA our information will be much restricted or non existent.

Aug 29, 2009 - 8:26 am 11. Zer0:

So according to this article
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1553598/Russias-nuclear-capabilities.html
Russia has about 7,200 operational nuclear weapons. Lets assume this number was inflated by a factor of 4 and they only had, let’s say 1,800 nukes. Is it even plausible that a missile defense system could work against that arsenal? My understanding is that this kind of system is only practical against small numbers of missiles, such as are likely to be deployed by Iran or North Korea. If that’s true then we should concentrate our efforts when they can do the most good and if we can get something we want from the Russians in return for canceling this program then that’s even better. Does anyone think it’s likely that Russia is going to attack Poland or the Czech Republic with nuclear missiles?

We should also deploy missile defenses to Japan in order to counter the threat of conventional ballistic missiles from China being launched against Kadena AB in Okinawa. It’s thought that in the event of a conflict over Taiwan that China would try to disable the F-22 fleet at Kadena in order to secure the airspace over the straits.

Aug 29, 2009 - 8:29 am 12. Thomas:

@6. John “birther” Samford:

You said:
“Of course, Russia cannot build one. They lack the technology base.

Russia deploys anti-missile defence unit near North Korea.

Kremlin sites system capable of shooting down ballistic missiles in far east to counter nuclear threat posed by Pyongyang tests.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/aug/27/russia-north-korea-nuclear-missile-defence

Google: S-400 missile

Aug 29, 2009 - 8:37 am 13. Thomas:

@10. jimpres:

You are correct but America is carried away by Utopian dreamers living in a different time line, with immature, childish zeal.
It’s hopeless, it’s over.
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I re-post this article from a Polish Newspaper that stirred up considerable controversy worldwide:

“An Open Letter to the Obama Administration from Central and Eastern Europe.”

I enclose only a short excerpts from this long letter which merits a serious reflexion and careful consideration:

“Relations have been so close that many on both sides assume that the region’s transatlantic orientation, as well as its stability and prosperity, would last forever.
- snip
That view is premature. All is not well either in our region or in the transatlantic relationship. Central and Eastern Europe is at a political crossroads and today there is a growing sense of nervousness in the region.
-snip
We must also recognize that America’s popularity and influence have fallen in many of our countries as well. Public opinions polls, including the German Marshall Fund’s own Transatlantic Trends survey, show that our region has not been immune to the wave of criticism and anti-Americanism that has swept Europe in recent years and which led to a collapse in sympathy and support for the United States”.

http://wyborcza.pl/1,75477,6825987,An_Open_Letter_to_the_Obama_Administration_from_Central.html

(A group of politicians and scholars from Bulgaria, the Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Romania, and Slovakia expresses concern to the United States president about the consequences of Washington’s inattention to a vital region.)

Aug 29, 2009 - 8:52 am 14. Anonymous:

Thomas,

I sure wish I did not have to agree with you. But the young wanting ‘Hope and Change’ now have it. I just hope it is not what they wanted and will have the intestinal fortitude to stand up now and fight.
The shadow infrastructure, i.e. the Czars, will one day be put into action. It will be a silent take over. And from what we are learning about them one is an avowed communist, others are radical in there thoughts and have written them down. He has surrounded him self with Marxists and Lennonites. The rest of the world is laughing and waiting for our conversion to a NON Republic.

Aug 29, 2009 - 9:19 am 15. jimpres:

Thomas,

I wish I could not agree with you but must. The believers in “Hope and Change” now have it. I hope it is not what they wanted. They must now stand up and fight for what is right. We are about to lose our Republic to a socialist regime. The Czars are answerable to no one but the president. He will put that structure in effect at any time he wishes, He has communist, radicals on in that pack of Czars. They do not answer to congress. What they have done in the past is coming out and it is not pretty. Beware the Trojan horse.

Aug 29, 2009 - 9:24 am 16. Marie Claude:

“As regards the incontestable fact that U.S. and NATO plans for the deployment of interceptor missiles and complementary radar facilities in Europe are not and could not be designed to protect the United States and Western Europe from imaginary Iranian intercontinental ballistic missiles and equally non-existent nuclear warheads, even the vice chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff General James Cartwright was forced to concede the point at the space and missile defense conference this week.”

http://www.inteldaily.com/news/172/ARTICLE/11657/2009-08-29.html

er hmm, not All the specialists believe that the deployed missiles in Europe are so “useful” for the Europeans

Aug 29, 2009 - 9:58 am 17. Marie Claude:

“Because in America EVERYONE has the right to express their opinion.”

uh, not all, for sure ! inforMOtions in one direction LMAO

cuz a few of my posts vanished from the screen

Aug 29, 2009 - 10:50 am 18. Marie Claude:

surprise surprise LMAO

Aug 29, 2009 - 11:09 am 19. Thomas:

@17. Marie Claude:
“La «nouvelle Europe» ne fait plus confiance à l’Amérique.”

http://www.lefigaro.fr/international/index.php

In English: “The “New Europe” no longer trust the US.”
Article in the right of center French paper, Le Figaro.

Aug 29, 2009 - 11:30 am 20. Thomas:

@15. jimpres:
@14. Anonymous:

Let’s quit the crying mood and start the thinking process.
Unlike in Eastern Europe, – where Socialism was imposed upon by the Soviet Army,- Americans elected these people: I saw them on the TV tears in their eyes from the joy felt for this Jocker.

The mere fact that the overwhelming majority of the American “Intelligentsia” supported and believed in this absolute primitive, nobody demagogue, race-monger, without credentials, achievements, with his tawdry coterie like Axelrod, Soros, Dead Fish – presented the proof on the collapse and disintegration of the entire Historical American upper echelon that led this Nation since the Founding Fathers.

It’s systemic and irreversible; – no tea bagging protest, old people rants will change anything. Czars (Commissars) control everything.

- So what now?

Contrary to Fukuyama, History did not end, a new, different, dictatorial America will emerge controlled by energetic minorities, violent prone non-Anglos, fueled by bloody revenge, financed by the Soros (got 5 children) and the same leftist plutocrats who put the Joker on the throne here and in the Russia of 1917.

North American Chaveztan.

Aug 29, 2009 - 12:14 pm 21. Marie Claude:

Thomas,

May-be the missiles business was seen as “lucrative” for t’em, it would have allowed many jobs and investments there.

Apparently, in the US, there isn’t “extra” money to spend abroad anymore
so that’s sumthin that our eastern friends have understood at least, now they’ll have to learn to practice “diplomacy” and use appeasing vocabulary, when winter ‘ll come, otherwise, “where is my gaz”

Aug 29, 2009 - 12:15 pm 22. John "birther" Samford:

“Now with the dismantling of the CIA our information will be much restricted or non existent.”

Not true. The CIA will be replaced with something better. In America when your car breaks down, you don’t start walking, you buy another car.

Thomas, yes I know about that. I just don’t believe it. Russia, like the Soviet Union, is much better at propaganda then engineering. In theory, the Soviets built an ABM system back in the early 70’s. Then they bluffed the USA into an ABM treaty. There was never any evidence that the Soviet ABM system worked, just as there is no evidence that the newer system works. BTW, the Norks DO NOT have any ICBM’s. ALL their missiles are theater ballistic missiles (TBM’s). There is a huge difference.They are trying to build an ICBM, they just haven’t got it to work yet.

Zero, you are not looking at the complete set of numbers.
You have to take into account equipment failure.
SALT and START did, which is how the current treaty limits were arrived at. Both sides felt that 1200 warheads was a survivable amount. The estimate on the number of warheads needed to destroy the USA is almost 900. The number for the Soviet Union was 2.
That is because to destroy the Soviet Union, all you have to do is remove the leadership. That won’t work for the USA, since we remove our leaders at regularly scheduled intervals.
The Soviets figured they had 20 or 30 minutes to get their leaders to the shelters, so 1200 was fine by them. The USA figured out of 1200 warheads, no more then 300 would actually work, which is why they were good with 1200.
What changed that was Stealth aircraft. A B-2 can drop a nuke on Moscow and the Russians won’t know it is there until the bomb goes off.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch…. Russia isn’t going to nuke Eastern Europe. The will conquer it the first chance they get. The ABM system in Eastern Europe is to protect the EU from nuclear blackmail by Muslims. The Muslims don’t want to nuke Europe either.
Think of Europe as a woman in her late 30’s . Still attractive, although her best days are behi8nd her. She comes with a nice collection of assets and is currently on the outs with her boyfriend. Both Russia and the Muslims want to move in and enjoy the comforts of home and make use of the assets.
The problem for Europe is that both suitors are not noted for sweet talk and romance. Knock her down and take it is their normal approach to matters of this sort. So it could get a little painful for the old girl.

Aug 29, 2009 - 12:42 pm 23. Marc Malone:

I’m okay with him dumping the missile shield. I’m tired of defending an ingrateful Europe. We should pull out of everywhere there except Ramstein AB. Just make sure to get the restriction on attacking Cuba lifted first.

Aug 29, 2009 - 12:59 pm 24. dan:

Wow – inteldaily.com seems like a project of The Nation magazine. Tsk, tsk – your communism is showing, Marie Claude.

Aug 29, 2009 - 1:51 pm 25. dan:

“Russia has about 7,200 operational nuclear weapons. Lets assume this number was inflated by a factor of 4 and they only had, let’s say 1,800 nukes.”

Why would you assume that? If anything, I’d assume the number was much higher, not much lower. The Russians know and have always known that if they gave up their military and stopped their “national liberation aid,” the Americans would happily reduce our military to a rump force. Everyone not an American liberal or Leninist knows who is the aggressor. There’s just no money in saying so.

Aug 29, 2009 - 2:00 pm 26. Marie Claude:

“Think of Europe as a woman in her late 30’s . Still attractive, although her best days are behi8nd her.”

then you think “teens” are the only worh of “love” (oops, of F***)

Now, your discourse is quite irrelevant, Europe has a much longer life than America, much more experiences of trades and relations with foreign countries, much more experiences of conflicts and diplomacy…

your country is on the planet board since only 1945, replacing the British empire (which BTW had a longer life than yours, about3 or 4 centuries ! and yours is collapsing just after a few decades of overwhelming “charity” businesses)

OKi, let’s talk of your help, last year Georgia was dreaming of it, though Georgians had done everything right to expect a return of your good offices (yes, they even participate to Irak “pacification”, Oki with their modest bataillon)

So wouldn’t it be not surprising that Poland, Czechie… if they were attacked by Russia, would experience the same support !

Now Russia , as you acknoledged it, will not attack Eastern Europe, not because of your reasons, but rather they represent no interest, they are at the extremity of the pipe-lines, while a pipe line need to cross Georgia

And China, for the oil and gaz marckets, can replace allegrally these recalcitrant republics.

No, thank you, we don’t need your missiles, your involvment on our borders, we want to become that proud 30 years old Amazone, Granny US need to rest

Aug 29, 2009 - 2:41 pm 27. Marie Claude:

Dan, funny, I found the link on one of your military sites

Aug 29, 2009 - 2:43 pm 28. Marie Claude:

Marc

“I’m tired of defending an ingrateful Europe”

Oki, what age do you gave us ?

less than 30 years I expect :lol:

Now, know it, children want their AUTONOMY

Byebye Grandma !

Aug 29, 2009 - 2:47 pm 29. Thomas:

@22. John “birther” Samford:

You said:
“A B-2 can drop a nuke on Moscow and the Russians won’t know it is there until the bomb goes off.”

Are you really that naive about military affairs in 2009?
Astonishing! The Russians knows better what’s going on in Washington than the Joker.

Care to remember:
Hamlet:
And therefore as a stranger give it welcome.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

Aug 29, 2009 - 3:44 pm 30. Thomas:

@24. dan:
You said:
“Wow – inteldaily.com seems like a project of The Nation magazine. Tsk, tsk – your communism is showing, Marie Claude.”

But when we call the French “Cheese-eating surrender monkeys,” cowards, collaborators etc. they feel deeply offended.
I don’t know why…

Aug 29, 2009 - 3:57 pm 31. Inrptrn:

This is a war universe. War all the time,
There may be other universes
but ours seems to be based on war and games.
William S. Burroughs

Aug 29, 2009 - 5:24 pm 32. Steve Sampson,:

With our Commander in Wee Wee, Putin needs to only borrow from Henry V, Act 3, Scene 3.

Henry advises Harfleur, the governor of a French town, what type f violence his men are capable of, if they resist and refuse to surrender.

King Henry- The gates of mercy shall all be shut up, and the fleshed soldier, rough and hard of heart, In liberty of bloody hand shall range with conscience as wide as hell, mowing like grass Your fresh fair virgins and flowring infants…..

What is’t to me….

If your pure maidens fall into the hand Of hot and forcing violation?..

…Why in a moment, look to see
the blind and bloody soldier with foul hand
defile the locks of your shrill shrieking daughters.

The threat can be implied and there are only two options; resistance is futile without the Pantywaist Wee Wee Man to stand up the the Russian Bear and we know that wont happen. The only option is complete capitulation, but we will have peace and the world will be a Socialist Dystopia. A Communist Dictator has the same clout as a Muslim Dictator in a Wee Weed brain; therefore Eastern Europe is there for the Plucking like fresh fruit. Our Commander in Wee Wee will probably volunteer to fly in supplies to the Russian troops during their occupation.

Aug 29, 2009 - 5:38 pm 33. Marie Claude:

except that Shakespeare didn’t write history books but theater plays, and they were all in glory of queen Elisabeth, who wouldn’t have appreciated trivial facts but positive legends.
So if you’re basing your reflexion on legends, sure you have no solid hand on the political events, that is what is happening to UK right now, and by extension to your country.

You are like a giant with clay feet

Aug 29, 2009 - 6:21 pm 34. Bogdan of Australia:

A typical FRENCH political statement from Marie Claude: “A French riffle for sale. Once fired, four times dropped…”

Aug 29, 2009 - 6:25 pm 35. Marie Claude:

Bogdan, and you know all about rifles, only with kangaroos… oops, sorry walibis

umm watch out, we might give you slops next time we meet your rugby team

Aug 29, 2009 - 6:32 pm 36. AL:

Lets see how seriously neighbors of Russia believe in “Russian treat”. From wiki, defense spending as percent of GDP:

Estonia – 2%, Poland – 1.71, Czech Republic – 1.46%, Ukraine – 1.4%, Latvia – 1.2%, Lithuania – 1.2%, Georgia – 0.6%, Moldova – 0.4%.

Compare with 4.06% for US, or for country really worried about self defense: Israel – 7.3%.

Aug 29, 2009 - 6:38 pm 37. gracie:

you expected something different from Obama, something ethical and proAmerican? Why?

Aug 29, 2009 - 6:39 pm 38. Lynn:

Since we always tend to send our young off to battle, Marie Claude must be mistaken thinking that the United States has been like a ‘granny’ to the rest of the world. Too much of our ‘young’ blood has been shed over there. Perhaps we ‘teenagers’ are wishing to ‘leave the nest’ and it is time for our ‘European parents’ to let us go and stop depending on our strong bones and muscles to fight for them while they play bridge and complain about what pains we are.

Not such a bad idea for ‘old’ Europe to stand up once again and fight for right, instead of doing what most old people do reminisce about the ‘good old days’ when we know that all the real hero’s died, so what is left, well…old Europe complaining about young America, how fresh, disrespectful, loud, and boisterous we are, messy and reckless, but usually despite all that, dependable. What young people fight for us today? At the start of this “War on Islamic Terror”, jobs were plentiful unlike the beginning of WWII, there is no draft unlike wars of the past, yet they still went. “Let us do our job”, let us finish our job”. That is not the voice of a tired old country.

Old Europe covers it’s feet of clay with very long pointed slippers giving off the fashionable illusion of strength and power, yet inside tiny feet long unused to standing up on their own are hidden beneath, tottering about, off balance when the slightest tremor strikes. Where have all your young gone? Perhaps the Pied Piper has taken them. Now you must worry about who is taking their place.

Aug 30, 2009 - 7:55 am 39. Marie Claude:

Lynn, alright, good bye to the ol boys, but you can’t say that the French depended on your protection since 1967, we made our umbrella ourselves

Aug 30, 2009 - 10:14 am 40. Marie Claude:

@ Thomas

Sumthin forgotten, but that comes up to actualities now for 70th anniversary of Poland agression by the Nazis http://tinyurl.com/mk2pmg

http://tinyurl.com/m4976r in relation to the “missiles” released by OBama, & his “pact” with Putin, Putin’s discourse is awaited in Gdansk
and he may display some “unconfortable truths” for the Polish during the period 1934-1945

I know it’s a “poker” game, each partner keeps stakes for the end

Aug 30, 2009 - 11:49 am 41. Thomas:

@40. Marie Claude:
Chere Marie Claude: je suis né dans un pays de l’Est, par conséquance je connais mieux ce qui est passé lá bas que les Gauchistes comme Le Monde ou George Marchais de jadis.
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Because I was born in Eastern Europe, I know better what happened over there than the Leftist French paper, Le Monde, or the Communist Party chief of yesteryears. I can hardly wait to learn from the French in regard to the events that unfolded in my BIRTHPLACE.

The movie KATYN is a monumental film on the massacre of the Poles by the Soviets and the aftermath of the Bolshevik rule.
Not only the story but the cinematography is breathtaking.
***** from torrent…Blockbusters doesn’t have it, my be Netflix does?

Aug 30, 2009 - 5:18 pm 42. Marie Claude:

Ah come on Thomas, don’t misguide yourself, the conservative papers are also full of “errors”, (to remain polite) you can’t condamn Piotr Smolar because he managed that his article was printed on a “lefty paper, if you know how work all the journalists, then you would also know that they have all the same few sources for informations, the difference is in the opinion that they project.
You can’t say that this person projected an anti eastern Republics, anti EU, anti Russian or anti American opinion, he is just stating some facts that will be determinating for the next few months..

Aug 30, 2009 - 6:28 pm 43. Thomas:

@42. Marie Claude:

I got all the informations in a Communist Concentration camp as prisoner #EA2140 so you can stuff the rest. I spent all my youth under Soviet-Russian occupation thus we (Eastern Europeans) know more about the French collaborations with both, the Nazis, and Moscow thus we’re not interested in your stuff…

Why don’t you read Solzhenitsyn’s works instead of the rotten Communist papers you try to feed us with?

This time is the renaissance of the Cockroaches: denial and revision of History…Holocaust denial, Soviet Red terror denial, victims of Fascism were the aggressor…go away idiot…

Aug 31, 2009 - 6:48 am 44. Marie Claude:

Yeah, I believe you were collaborating much more than us, the january 1934 pact was ment to help Germany to fight the Russians, and killing Jews didn’t disturb you after 1939 (95% of 3 millions of your jewish population disappeard)
while we managed to save 75% of 350 000, also as an occupied country, and our communists were fighting the Nazis

You N° doesn’t impress me, generally authentic “resistants” don’t advocate their exploits

Aug 31, 2009 - 8:18 am 45. Lynn:

Yes Marie Claude Umbrellas you made to keep out the rain, but also the sun, so we don’t see the streets where no peaceful man or woman dares walk and parking your car on the street “really is dangerous” when the young who replaced your young, become angry.

Sorry but tough announcements about no hijabs in public sound hollow and appear as if it is the same as saying no white after labor day, just a fashion fau pax.

The United States is always told to hang our dirty laundry out for all to see and comment on, as it flaps in the wind stained and torn, yet France needed and “underground resistance” because sometimes to preserve the buildings, statues and old world feel of France, the enemy was given a glass of wine and a c’est la vie, as they watched the trains pull out of the station.

Aug 31, 2009 - 9:38 am 46. Thomas:

@44. Marie Claude:

You are at the wrong place if you intend to bullshit the world with the “French Saved the Jews” crap. Your sorrow history is well known and documented, your country deserves only derision and contempt.
Are you going to whitewash Vichy?
Oublie la Gloire, la France est une petite tas de merde avec tous les Arabes a Goutte D’or.

Aug 31, 2009 - 9:59 am 47. Marie Claude:

Lynn,What are you babling ?

Germans only drink BEER !

and wines was for the GI joes

as far as Lessons, you’re the hospital that mocks charity, I never saw as much lessons that weren’t given by your own good offices

Aug 31, 2009 - 10:12 am 48. Marie Claude:

Thomas , talk for yourself

My country and I, have no lesson to receive from you

Hope you’ll get back your insults with much pein in your a**

Aug 31, 2009 - 10:16 am 49. Marie Claude:

ouah, the racist slavic cabale is full regime!

Aug 31, 2009 - 10:21 am 50. Lynn:

Ah yes Marie Claude, but they so wanted to be refined like the French. Beer is for the peasants and a Nazi gets drunk on beer or wine. Now the GI Joe’s came home, the ones who didn’t get buried on your shores that is, and I hope they weren’t too much trouble wanting a glass of wine for their labor once in a while.

I hear Americans are good tippers. Our?

Aug 31, 2009 - 10:49 am 51. Marie Claude:

Lynn,

are you trying to get naughty ?

cuz, what you’re saying, isn’t original, I keep reading it on an on by brainwahed MSMed ignorants

funny, not by persons that really know the right history books !

Aug 31, 2009 - 11:03 am 52. Lynn:

No, Marie Claude, but when an alcholic attends an AA meeting, no one cares whether they are habitual drunks from wine or beer, just that they admit to being alchoholics. It’s the first step in ‘the cure’.

and…

I think you will find me admitting that our history is like yours, a Vichy ssoise of ingredients, milky and opaque never as good as we would like it to be and never as bad as the rest of the world intimates. Cold soup on a day we need to feel warm.

Aug 31, 2009 - 11:42 am 53. Marie Claude:

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Aug 31, 2009 - 12:07 pm 54. Lynn:

Wake up your, snoring! Too much wine.

Aug 31, 2009 - 1:21 pm 55. Marie Claude:

Lynn, you don’t know it, sometimes you can be funny LMAO

Aug 31, 2009 - 3:57 pm 56. Lynn:

Oh, your so cute Marie Claude, and your right, sometimes thinking about life’s tragedies must be put aside for a little while, and we must laugh and enjoy life. TeeHee…

Hé ! Qui a bu la dernière bouteille de vin ?

Oh well…Cheers!

Sep 1, 2009 - 5:50 am 57. Paul -Indiana:

Ellison says that Obama will “sacrifice a lot” to get it. You know, the way Czechoslovakia was “sacrificed”
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That sounds a lot like an old report that ‘Russia will fight to the last __________” [fill in your favorite victim]. What else would you expect from Teleprompter Barbie?

Sep 1, 2009 - 8:44 am 58. Thomas:

“Russia and Poland trade insults on 70th anniversary of World War Two

“While Poland and other Eastern European states have now made their peace with a repentant Germany, there is long-standing frustration in the region that Russia has never really recognised, or apologised for, crimes committed by the Soviet state between 1939 and 1945, or the subsequent brutalities of communist rule.”

Source:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/poland/6118282/Russia-and-Poland-trade-insults-on-70th-anniversary-of-World-War-Two.html

Sep 1, 2009 - 8:11 pm 59. Pup:

Obuma hates the US. His wife was first “proud of that country” when the Kenyan Kousin was elected. Obuma hates “typical white folk”. Obuma distrusts democracy and hates capitalism. Obuma adores Marxism and, in his imbecilism, thinks that the KGB colonel and FSB gangster V. V. Putin actually is a fellow Marxist soul. Obuma will do everything and anything to please what he considers his very own Master Lenin.

Sep 7, 2009 - 2:02 am

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