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1. Know Your Enemy:

As a side entry of interest using the terminologies of Far-Left and/or radical leftists attempts to say that these kind of people are a minority by number count versus how many are in the majority of the Democrats in our nation.

That just isn’t so.

Tell me one place in America that a conservative minded person; a Republican can casually walk into and speak with confidence that he or she is amongst like minded folks on any subject or issue?

The neighbor behind is a Democrat, has been all of his life, reads the New York Times, watches CNN, sort of likes Lou Dobbs, doesn’t go out of his way to bother people; but when given the opportunity will tell you in a heartbeat that the extremist Islamic Muslims are no different than Christians, both religions believing that they are right, both religions killing millions of innocent people for thousands of years. This neighbor is approaching 75 years of age.

The neighbor across the street is an Obama Democrat that likes to stand on his porch yelling, “Why me God?” when something doesn’t go his way or, “That GD b*tch or f*in son” when referring to his wife or son still living at home in his late 30s. Official neighbor gossip has it that these outbursts are because the man has some sort of knee problem that frequently produces sudden excruciating pain. Whatever ails him it doesn’t slow down his ability to teach school; even though he’s in his mid 50s.

A sure fire way to slaughter one of your children or grand children is to voice any kind of conservative minded thought or opinion in a parent-teacher meeting or class recital of some sort.

The point is that this is mainstream America today and that’s what Mr. McCarty was dealing with, not the Far-Left.

Nov 17, 2009 - 3:57 am 2. DoctorT:

The Socialist agenda is using all of the tactics that were used by the soviet socialist goverments of the past. The “women’s organizations” listed above do not, I believe, represent the interests of women at all. It is akin to AARP supporting health care reform because they will be able to sell more gap insurance after Medicare gets cut to the bone.

Yesterday the perfect example of why EVERYONE should be fighting against a single payer system was announced by the “Government Taskforce”. They announced that “women should not get screening mammograms before age 50 and should only get mammograms every other year after age 50″. This was also touted by a government taskforce in the late 1990’s under the Clinton Administration at that time. The reality is that the recommendation is in exact opposition to what should be done.

EVERY WOMEN SHOULD GET MAMMOGRAPHY ON AN ANNUAL BASIS STARTING AT AGE 40.

The scientific information has shown that overwhelmingly that the American model for screening for breast cancer has been very successful at catching breast cancer early enough that we can often cure it. The Canadian and Swedish studies touted by those opposed to mammography and breast cancer screening from the 1990s was shown to be less effective because of the way those studies were performed and becausethey were screening women for breast cancer at 2 to 3 year intervals. This resulted in many breast cancers being too far advnaced before they were detected. This resulted in poorer outcomes. There were also problems with patient selection that resulted from the way the studies were set up.

NOW, we are being asked to support a system where a SINGLE PAYER would be able to force on the public the policies that would undermind the healthcare industry’s ability to detect and treat breast cancer in women when we can still make a difference.

Please call your Congressmen and Senators and tell them to kill the Health care bill. There may be some benefits by minimal interventional approaches on healthcare, but as a rule healthcare should not be interfered with. Please let us do what we do best.

Nov 17, 2009 - 6:49 am 3. BC:

To “Know Your Enemy”: Two words: “truck stops.” Get some cherry pie, a coffee, and then chat away.

On a more serious note, the anti-Republican, anti-Conservative mindset is self-inflicted: besides thrashing the economy and the US’s image, the Bush years also completely thrashed the image of Republicans and conservatives via their support of Bush’s shenanigans and their relentless, malicious, over-the-top attacks on his opponents (What, you didn’t think anyone would notice?) You tie that all that in with the bizarre anti-science attitude that’s grown as well among conservatives and then, well, what else would you expect for a backlash? Bad dogs, bad, bad dogs…..

Nov 17, 2009 - 7:07 am 4. DaveT:

The leftist extremists at this meeting are of exactly the same mind as our current disaster of a president and his parties leadership. If we had honest media that reported on this agenda, we would not have this awful cadre of extremists in charge of our government. Thankfully we have a system that is able to self correct, but we need to do it soon before too much damage is done.

Nov 17, 2009 - 7:08 am 5. loco36:

The average voter who is busy going to work and raising a family, and who is not part of the “left coasts” is completely unaware of the people out there who think the way those at this meeting think and who are now all to similar to this president and his Chicago cohorts. Fortunately, polls indicate, the longer this health care discussion continues, the more voters are awakening.

Nov 17, 2009 - 7:46 am 6. Know Your Enemy:

Re BC: Anyone have an idea how many ex-engineers, computer programmers and corporate executives found peace, sanity and relatively decent food living the life of a long haul 18 wheel driver?

One thing is certain, pulling into a truck stop beats the risk you take going shopping in a local mall; where the girls wear hip hugger pants that reveal a “Drill Here” tattoo with a down arrow right below their navel, look like something that crawled out of a back alley in New Orleans and smell like they’ve never taken a bath or shower.

It also beats visiting the local high school during broad daylight, which has two full time police cruisers stationed in the parking lot on duty, the police officers take their sawed off shotguns with them when they go inside the school building and it isn’t because they’re loaded with sofa pillows or their afraid a gang of MS-13 members will bust the cruiser windows and steal the weapons.

The Scriptures (paraphrased) teaches that, “You will hate the ways of the world in your elder years”. I’ve felt that way for a long, long time. Start with when they threw prayer (God) out of the school system, move on into the Woodstock generation; where the intelligent ones sugared their coffee right before a military induction physical or just took a two-three year trip up north into Canada versus serving their country.

Now how did that go..? Hmmmm. “I was saving myself for our country” aka BJ Clinton. Doesn’t sound much like Far-Left does it?

Bottom Line, until you know the root or origin of thinking there is no relative to quantify what or who is radical, far, extreme or whatever. No amount of political twisting can change the fact that the only reliable, universal standard (God) that ever existed to make this kind of judgement with has been discarded by the United States.

Nov 17, 2009 - 8:01 am 7. Eric:

Honestly, can we not declare some of these people and their organizations enemies of the state? Treason is defined as attempting to overthrow the government of one’s country. What these people, and most Leftist groups, are proposing is an overthrow of the Constitution which is inseparable from an overthrow of our government. I firmly believe in the first amendment right of freedom of speech but does that cover sedition?

Where is the line drawn regarding speaking of overthrowing our Constitution? Do these groups have to make explicit statements that that is their goal or are their obvious objectives to do so enough?

I owe no one outside my family anything and I will not be forced into indentured servitude, or wage slavery, to support strangers via my taxes. Just how much of my labor must they confiscate before they deem it enough? It’s time for all Americans to say NO.

Nov 17, 2009 - 11:01 am 8. karlinsync:

Why is there never any talk about Tort Reform? If you are going blast, attack, and inject insurance companies in the Health Bill you damn well need to get Tort Reform part of the plan. Insurance problems could be eased if Congress would open state borders to all insurance companies now! The House plan is insane.

Nov 17, 2009 - 11:40 am 9. ic:

Far-left groups met in St. Louis last weekend to plan strategy for taking down capitalism and those “greedy insurance companies, greedy pharmaceutical companies, greedy doctors, greedy patients”, and supported the power grab of greedy politicians.

Nov 17, 2009 - 12:10 pm 10. Finally Free:

I am running a series analyzing various socialized medicine systems on my blog. The first three installments cover:

Germany
http://spinstrangenesscharm.wordpress.com/2009/11/12/socialized-medicine-part-1-germany/

Israel
http://spinstrangenesscharm.wordpress.com/2009/11/13/socialized-medicine-part-2-israel/

Belgium
http://spinstrangenesscharm.wordpress.com/2009/11/16/socialized-medicine-part-3-belgium/

Of these systems, Israel’s comes the closest to working (mostly thanks to a sound population pyramid), and even they are having sustainability issues. How much moreso for the others.

Nov 17, 2009 - 12:19 pm 11. whyyeseyec:

The `rights` we have are what are enumerated in the Constitution and the 27 Amendment there of. If we want health care t be a right then we should propose a new amendment to our constitution and do it legally. Otherwise, there is nothing constitutional about HR3962.

The will be no end to the `rights` proposed by the Marxists Leftists

Nov 17, 2009 - 2:08 pm 12. Carl Gordon:

Look GOPeers, give us inspiration, give us guidance, hell, give me a fiver so I can order another drink. Accomplish something. Give us a tale that gives us grist for our perverse sense of existence. There…out there on the edges…on the rippled edge of a wave…at the tourniquet popped vein…where our aural limits nudge our sensate being…where the rim of the sky meets the ragged edge of the Sierra…where your limits of physical survival are measured by increments of canteen and pack.

The tale is in the telling and in the telling is the tale. Long after the tab is paid, the tale is told. Much of what you’ve said is long past, perhaps often longed for, or something the Imagineers at Disney threw out as implausible and bereft of logic.

The GOP “base” is a bit stupid, frequenters of primitive landscapes and ideas. They often find themselves lost in a wilderness off horses*** and belial. Yet, fate or stupidity, gives them ‘sucre’, safety, and ‘a way out.’ They manage each day in spite of the impediments to an awkward truth. There’s something to be learned there.

Our journey now is to make an effort to avoid the toxic contamination of “conservative” function and family. A cold Monday with ground fog scrapes the tulle landscape of marginal miasma and no direction. There the leaders of the GOP find a bog of misery. A fundamental Occam’s Razor that begs, hell, demands a terse and complete thesis in the face of a more erudite Aristotelian argument, keep it simple – keep it real. The truest perhaps truest idea is that which is most simply stated. Yet the goobers that are running the party understand none of this. And they fail to pay for the taxi that delivers them to this.

Tell you what. If you’re going to hoist Sarah on her own petard and run her in as your candidate in 2012, why don’t you play “Pinhead” by The Ramones as she accepts the nomination, even have the crowd join in, singing “Gabba, gabba, we accept you, we accept you, you’re one of us!”

Nov 17, 2009 - 3:10 pm 13. DavidN:

This is one of those arguments that’s amazing and amusing at the same time. I have never believed that President Obama, John Kerry, Jay Rockefeller, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and their ilk, will pass a single payer system that applies to everyone in the country. The idea of one of those people, whatever Kennedy descendant has deigned to donate his wisdom and leadership to the rest of us unshaven masses, or some idiot like Al Gore, sitting in a Doctor’s office waiting room for half a day, with a woman with five or six rugrats climbing all over her sitting in the next chair…anyone really think that’s going to happen?

The trick here is that once the Democrats make sure they themselves are exempted from the Health Care plan they pass for everyone else, then various donors and bigwigs will complain unless they’re exempted too. It’s going to be interesting to see what the public employees’ unions get for themselves…my guess is that the leadership will get good coverage, and the rank and file will be stuck with the rest of us.

Once the Health Care system’s nationalized with the exception of our valuable leadership, we will have an enormous Federal bureaucracy, all unionized, and everyone contributing money to the Democratic Party by the wheelbarrow. The Obama-McCain presidential contest in 2008 will be remembered as the last time the Republicans had a realistic chance, albeit a small one, of gaining the presidency. The Republican Party will be a thing of the past, the Health Care system will suck, and of course the annual refrain will be that it’s “underfunded”, with the solution of course being new and higher taxes. That’s the goal of this whole thing, not a Single Payer system. Obama’s rhetoric on the subject is merely a headfake, designed to convince those ideologues in St. Louis that his heart is in the right place. There never was a chance that he would subject his own daughters to the same health care system the rest of us are going to be in.

Nov 17, 2009 - 10:39 pm 14. caestal:

12. Carl Gordon, I am sure you thought you were being clever, there, but you might want to write your stuff before you light up next time… your whole post could have been summed up as “you guys are all doodieheads.”
As far as the article, I don’t see that it is really surprising that the folks in the far left espouse to believe that all corporations are evil and everything is the fault of either the Republicans or corporate entities. There are many faults with corporations, granted, but to believe they are inherently evil is either ingenuous or shows a willingness to believe anything that lets the believer say “it’s not my fault.”

Nov 18, 2009 - 1:03 am 15. John "birther" Samford:

This is a smoke screen. What the Soviets called “Misinformation”.
The ONLY group to benefit from health care legislation will be the insurance companies. The Federal government is going to try and FORCE American citizens to open their wallets to the Insurance industry.
What does 3,000 time 300 million come too? Is that 90 Trillion or 900 trillion? So many zeros I lost count.
Please explain how pumping 900 trillion dollars into the Insurance industry will harm them. Or even 90 trillion. EVERY YEAR.

No, if you really want to hurt the Insurance Companies, just reverse the laws that require auto insurance. That will have to be done on a state by state basis. Fortunately, the 10th amendment will prevent any national health care plan. It is just a matter of lawyering up and getting started. That can’t happen until after congress passes a health care bill.
Those serious about the issue are already making plans.
As far as the left being anti-capitalist, so what? They are to stupid to do permanent harm. If you really want to put a stick in the spokes of capitalism, pass a law raising the tax rate on selling stock with 3 years of buying it to about 500 percent of the sales price.
That way the ‘quick profit’ would become a quick loss. Economic judo. Use the capitalist’s greed against them, while retaining the capital raising functions of the stock market.

Nov 18, 2009 - 6:01 am 16. TL:

Eric (7): Well said!

Nov 18, 2009 - 8:59 am 17. myth buster:

15. It’s 900 billion. Of course, this is a revenue figure, not a profit figure, and in all probability, they would in fact be driven out of business.

Nov 19, 2009 - 8:51 pm