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1. M.E.:

Hyllary has had in Pennsylvania her Battle of Pharsalus. Certainly Hillary is not Caesar and Obama is not Pompeius. It is also clear that “Hillary Clinton’s 10 point margin of victory is not as important as who is rejecting Barack Obama as the Democratic nominee”. But it is necessary to take in count the psychological effect that a victory has. And Hillary’s victory has had this effect and has clearly demonstrated that Obama has no possibility to win in the most important States. His intellectual poverty has been also demonstrated. I think that there is not an alternative. Obama or Hillary’s victory in the general elections would lead to a national disaster. But I like Hillary because she is a true warrior who doesn’t abandon the battle’s camp and fights till the last moment. What will Obama’s destine be? Probably the same of poor stupid Pompeius.

Apr 23, 2008 - 3:07 am 2. abu al-fin:

Neither Clinton nor Obama has ever personally endured a long grueling campaign challenge to their own candidacy. This is a first for both of them. Clinton is showing better endurance than Obama. Clinton’s tortoise to Obama’s hare.

Neither one is qualified to be US President, but Clinton clearly is better grounded in world realities than is the “castles in the air” Obama. Eventually, one hopes that wishful thinking will give way to the hard realities that must be faced. Nothing in Obama’s backers suggests a grounding in reality, unfortunately.

Apr 23, 2008 - 4:29 am 3. Angry African:

Look. This isn’t the Rumble in the Jungle. It’s not World War II. It’s not even Tom & Jerry. It’s more like Wrestlemania. A little bit of fireworks and a laser display. But it is really just make-believe. A show. A show that happens every few years. Lots of noise and lots of action. But fundamentally still just a show. Nobody gets hurt. Yes, I am talking about the US Presidential election. http://angryafrican.net/2008/04/22/storm-in-a-teacup/

Apr 23, 2008 - 5:33 am 4. Right Wing Nut House » HILLARY STAYS ALIVE:

[...] My latest column is up at PJ Media. In it, I break down the numbers from last night’s primary win for Clinton and show why Democratic superdelegates should be worried: [...]

Apr 23, 2008 - 6:13 am 5. Terri Chrysler:

Even if Hillary wins all the other states with a 10% margin, she would still lose out to OBAMA. Hillary is such a truly polarizing figure. Enough with the Clintons. Enough with the negativity and the trash. Stop this waste and move on with Obama. Let’s get back to business and put Obama against McCain.

Apr 23, 2008 - 7:46 am 6. BMoon:

This election reminds me of the Demo Party as the tragi-horror classic of Frankenstein…..dead body parts snatched from victims and cobbled together in various “constituencies” but turns into a self-pitying, frightening monster who is a danger to society. The old-time Dem voter looks in the mirror and is frightened for all he can see is a race-playing, anti-American, elitist, leftist or a voraciously and shamelessly ambitious couple hungry for one thing -power. They voted for her in PA, but they will abandon the Frankenstein Party wholly come November.

Apr 23, 2008 - 7:59 am 7. jeanann:

The downright problem with this win is that it does not serve us a candidate. It protracts a primary, the cost is money, valuable time, we are bogged down. Hillary cannot get past her biggest problem, she just is not really liked. The Hillary people like her enough. In the blogs I have read, her supporters tend to be people with grudges. She not only comes across as not likeable, she is well known. That is the crux. Obama they say is not well known. Well, the more he is out there, the people tend to go his way, minus a gaffe or two. Hillary has the probability for double gaffes, with Bill Clinton out there making his own with lots of cameras in his ego driven world.

Just yesterday Hillary tossed out the possibility of war with Iran in a reckless way. All for votes, but I know it was alarming to many. Lets see how that plays out now.

They talk now about Obama changing his tactics and going negative like Hillary since it apparently works. Anyone knows Hillary has 10x the association, trustworthy, bad judgement problems in her past. Obama will not get credit for not mentioning those?

I will never vote for a Clinton. Plain and simple and I know plenty who feel the same.

Apr 23, 2008 - 8:38 am 8. AzProf:

In the bright light of morning, Hillary’s “big” victory has dwindled to a single digit and exit polls show Obama – not Hillary — making the important gains.

Apr 23, 2008 - 8:44 am 9. Reality Check:

This is just a technical point.

She did not win by 10 points. She wond by 9.38 points.

You have two options. Round down to 9% or use more significant digits.

Hillary will need to win all the remaining races by 15% to tie Obama in the Delegate count (excluding Superdelegates).

The only sure bet she has left for winning is West Virginia.

That sliver of hope, is about the same odds as winning the lottery.

Apr 23, 2008 - 8:45 am 10. Dave:

Let’s face it. The Democrats have dug themselves a hole they will not get out of in November. By going with a proportional system in every state, and a “superdelegate” hybrid, oh, and not allowing Michigan or Florida’s votes to count… they have created a very “entertaining” campign with a candidate that will NO HOPE in November (…but plenty of audacity!!).

Sure, plenty can happen in the months leading up to the general election, but a party this fractured and, to put it bluntly, inept, will be hard pressed to make their case for the surviving candidate to the country at large, much less their own party members!

Apr 23, 2008 - 8:49 am 11. bugkill:

It is simply amazing how the media is trying to pump up Hillary Clinton as if she really did something meaningful in PA. last night. She was SUPPOSED to win PA and Obama was lucky to have only lost by 10 points and garnered over 1 million votes. People are acting as if she beat Obama in Illinois by 10 points, which is not the case. It is more impresseive that despite all the bad press about Rev. Wright and the “bitter” comment, Obama only lost by 10 points in a Clinton stronghold after being down by 25 points not long ago.

PA is a Clinton stronghold and he had no chance of winning it, but he was able to lower the damage in both the delegate count and the popular vote. She needed to win big and she did not accomplish that at all. In my opinion, Clinton did not do well because she did not get a “game changer” and that is what she needs at this point. This was one of her states that she should have at least won by over 15 points, but she did not.

It is too late in the game for all this talk about her “staying in the game” or she has momentum, because she has no chance to take the delegate lead and a slim chance in the popular vote, and the superdelegates would be out of their minds if they gave her the nomination.

The Republicans fear Barack Obama because they know he will generate a huge following of new voters and he will energize the base. Hillary Clinton will not bring that excitement and she would actually energize the Republican base because they would do their best to defeat her, and she just does not have anything behind her, except women voters (which will not be enough against John McCain).

Apr 23, 2008 - 9:25 am 12. aroth:

Hillary DID NOT score a 10 point victory. Do the math:

– With 99% of precincts reporting, there are 2,300,851 votes that have been tallied.

– Clinton has 1,258,278 of those, or 54.7% (actually slightly less than that, I rounded up).

– Obama has 1,042,573 votes, or 45.3% (actually slightly more than that, I rounded down).

– 54.7 – 45.3 = 9.4%, so Hillary leads by (at most, due to the rounding noted above)9.4%, not 10%. If you round it to thew nearest whole percent, then she only won by 9%.

– The remaining 1% of the vote that is yet to be reported comes from Delaware and Philadelphia counties, where Obama beat Clinton by wide margins, so it will only serve to narrow Clinton’s margin of victory.

…so let’s do a little more math, and see what happens if the remaining 1% splits for Obama 60/40:

– There should be roughly 15,000 votes outstanding, which at a 60/40 split gives 9,000 to Obama, and 4,000 to Clinton.

– The new totals are 2,315,851 total votes, 1,264,278 Clinton votes (54.6%), and 1,051,573 Obama votes (45.4%).

– Clinton’s new lead is 9.2% (54.6 – 45.4 = 9.2).

9.2 % is not 10%. 9.4% is not 10%. Clinton did not win by 10%, and she did not win by “double digits”.

Apr 23, 2008 - 10:29 am 13. Bridget:

I have been reading over and over again how Hillary is so proud that she beat Obama because he outspent her 3 to 1. Now, the last time that I checked, 4.8 million dollars is not one third of 11.2 million dollars. Maybe if you are an idiot and round 11.2 million up and 4.8 down you can get away with it…but last time I checked we were done with having an idiot in the White House.

Apr 23, 2008 - 10:31 am 14. Stan:

Hillary Clinton talking about electability? Touting she was outspent 3 to 1? News flash… She was outspent 3 to 1 becuase Obama was able to raise a lot more money from many more contributors than she has been able to. If you want to talk about electability, go ahead. Remember that one of the most important attributes to be electable is having the ability to raise money – something Obama has had no problem with.

She also gabs about winning the big states. Give me a break. You have to be pretty ignorant to think that a state like California is going to go for McCain. They would rather vote for Fidel Castro if he were running for the democratic party. An exageration perhaps, but you get the idea.

Speaking as a republican, if Obama wins the nomination, I might possibly vote for him. Although it’s probably not in the interest of my own pocketbook, if it’s for a greater good, I am willing to sacrifice, pay higher taxes, etc. If it is Clinton – you can guarantee it will motivate a huge portion of republicans to register and vote – because we cannot stand Hillary.

Apr 23, 2008 - 10:37 am 15. Jack Davis:

Everyone keeps saying Hillary won by 10 Points – or by double digits – WRONG. Hillary won by 9.375 points. This still, according to real mathematics rounds to 9 POINTS – not double digits. This may not seem like a big deal, but trust me – IT IS!

Apr 23, 2008 - 10:40 am 16. CASUAL OBSERVER:

OUT SIDE LOOKING IN, THE GOOD OLD BOYS CLUB, IS LOOSING GROUND TO HILLARY IN THE LARGER STATES,THAT IS GOOD, LET IT CONTINUE AS PEOPLE REALIZE, AS MOST EVERONE KNOWS OBAMA CAN’T BEAT THE REPUBLICAN MACHINE BUT HILLARY CAN.REMEMBER ONLY FILL YOUR TANK 1/2 AND THE HOLDING CAPACITY,WILL BECOME FULL AND PRICES WILL COME DOWN,WHEN THEY HAVE NO WHERE TO STORE THEIR GAS OR OIL….

Apr 23, 2008 - 10:43 am 17. marlon:

HILLARY GOT MOST OF HER SUPPORT FROM WOMEN IN PENNSYLVANIA AND SHE HAVE USE GENDER AS PART OF HER MAIN ARGUMENT IN ALL THE PRIMARYS TO SWAY FEMALE VOTERS BUT NOT ONCE HAVE SHE STATED THAT IF SHE DIDNT GET NOMINATION SHE WOULD USE HER LEVERAGE TO INSIST THAT OBAMA CHOOSE A FEMALE RUNNING MATE WHICH WOULD PUT THAT FEMALE IN LINE FOR ANOTHER RUN AT THE PRESIDENCY THAT WOULD SPOIL HER CHANCES OF BECOMING OUR FIRST FEMALE PRESIDENT SHE DONT TRULY SUPPORT WOMEN IN GENERAL IN THIS ENDEAVOR ITS ALL ABOUT BILLARY CLINTON ONE THINKS HE IS ALREADY THE FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT AND THE OTHER WANT TO BECOME THE FIRST FEMALE PRESIDENT AT ANY COST EVEN IF IT MEAN BLOCKING HER OWN GENDER

Apr 23, 2008 - 10:45 am 18. Gary:

I wish everyone who questions – “Why can’t Obama win the big states?” – remember that he is the underdog and more importantly, he is running again the Clinton/Democratic machine in the big states. In a general election, Obama will have the machine on his side. It’s a big difference.

Apr 23, 2008 - 10:48 am 19. Ali Hussein Muhammed:

Hillary Clinton has defeated the one candidate capable of uniting the Muslim with the Christian world. Look back on this moment, America. This is the moment that you chose the wrong path.

Apr 23, 2008 - 10:56 am 20. Redphilly:

Obama is a formidable opponent. He fails to get the Caucasian male blue collar vote because he is African-American and they can’t imagine him being their boss which is what a president is to a country. What he must do is convince them that he would be a president for all Americans, whether they are Caucasian, African-American, Hispanic-American, Asian-American, American-Indian American or any of the other Americans. The way to do this is to show that he has Cuacasian relatives who he loves and who live him. Grandma was in an ad for only 2 seconds. Where are the aunts, uncles, cousins? I know they are out there somewhere. If he were to win the White House prize, they would come out of the woodwork to try to sleep in the bed in which George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and Abe Lincoln slept! They should be sitting in the front row just as Chelsea and Bill sit there cheering Hillary. He should not fear that this move would cause him lose the African-American vote. WE ARE HIS. But Caucasian America needs to know that he is not only African-American. He is both.

Apr 23, 2008 - 10:59 am 21. Roark:

‘Operation Chaos’ is succeeding!

Apr 23, 2008 - 11:04 am 22. JDS:

We really are over-emphasizing the importance of the Hillary wins in big states and the spending disparity. We have to keep in perspective that that Clintons have had meaninful, expensive organizations in the big states for 16 years. They were in the big states because they are the big states… duh! Obama is just getting started. The fact that Obama can come as close as he did in the Clinton strongholds of Texas and Pennsylvania is overwhelming evidence of his electability. After all, the Clintons’ organizations will be much less important in the general election. Add to this his substantial lead in delegates and, who are we kidding? For Clinton to be given the nomination will have to come in the form of theft or some extraordinary and unlikely Obama faux pas.

Apr 23, 2008 - 11:31 am 23. RightWingNutCracker:

The Great democratic example of the world could not decide who won the Presidential Elections before and now we have elections that run 3+ years.
All the while the greatest power on earth could not capture four guys on donkeys for decades, the economy is in shambles and we are not prepared for rising gas prices given the length and breadth of this country and dependence on fossil fuels.

How ironic that trivial stuff determines who is in the white house. We are no better than a third world country that votes based on religion, languages or tribes!!

Apr 23, 2008 - 11:41 am 24. mike concerned democrate:

Obama has won big states – he won more delegates in Texas yet Clinton professes Texas was her win — she continues to add Florida and Michigan to her tallies when Obama did not campaign in those states and his name not even on ballot — WHY CAN’T CLINTON CLOSE ON THE educated and black delegate counts she will need to make inroads in Nov.?????

Apr 23, 2008 - 11:56 am 25. Dan from Milwaukee:

Once the dust settles from the Democratic party nomination, there will be two clear choices for our nations’ president: 1. Barack Obama, 2. John Mccain, and we can throw in 3. Ralph Nader. Ok, here’s the deal:
Larger states have a hard time believing a black man can do it, and they would rather vote in someone more like them (i.e. a white person). Since there is an insurmountable amount of evidence going against Obama in those states that people are claiming to be “swing” states [sic] (i.e. could be either Republican or Democratic dominant), is fallacious. I say this because it is all based on conjecture, based on the voter turnout from these primaries. I am not entirely convinced that Hillary is winning because of Republican voters perpetuating the “Limbaugh effect,” I don’t care if there are closed primaries or not, there are ways around that.
So, since ther clear choice will be either Mccain or Obama for President, I say sit back, and watch the tables turn, and witness the first time in history that a black man can become President. Why, because it takes a larger stage for ALL of the American people to watch Mccain and Obama go at it, head to head, mano y mano, argue over the issues in several debates. We need this. Let them tussle, and we will all witness how Obama will make sense, an sense that will leave Mccain in the Senate.

Apr 23, 2008 - 11:57 am 26. Dan from Milwaukee:

Also, if there are any dumb people out there who say “duhh, uhhh,, you make no sense. Ha ha….” You are an idiot.

Apr 23, 2008 - 12:00 pm 27. lwr:

Clinton has women voters, whites, blue-collar workers, catholics, other church goers, gun owners, people over 60 yrs old, people living in rural communities, as proven in the numbers that came out of Penn last night. Neither candidate should quit until one of them gets the required number of delegates to clinch the nomination.

Apr 23, 2008 - 12:05 pm 28. RL JONES:

I AM AN OHIO RESIDENT.
WHY CAN’T OBAMA WIN BIG STATES?

IT’S NOT BEING SAID….IT’S BEING SUGAR COATED AND LABELED (WORKING CLASS)(BLUE COLLAR)…
IT’S SAD BUT TRUE, THE BIG STATES LIKE MY OWN(OHIO)..ARE SEGREGATED MORE, NOW IN 2008, THAN THEY WERE IN THE 60′S.ESPECIALLY SCHOOLS.
THE ONLY WAY OBAMA CAN WIN STATES LIKE MY OWN (OHIO) IS IF (WHITE AMERICANS) JUDGED HIM ON HIS CHARACTER OTHER THAN HIS COLOR….THERE IT IS, I’VE SAID WHAT MOST AFRICAN AMERICANS ALREADY KNOW. SOMEDAY MARTIN..MAYBE SOMEDAY..

Apr 23, 2008 - 12:15 pm 29. RPC:

Do you think Senator Obama is “bitter” today after his lop-sided defeat in Pennsylvania (despite outspending Senator Clinton by more than 2-to-1)?

Perhaps he should buy a gun or go to church (but not if Rev. Wright is giving the sermon).

Hillary in ‘08!!!!

Apr 23, 2008 - 12:48 pm 30. RS LaRue:

These are two clowns running for President has nothing to do with gender or race. Neither is qualified by any stretch of the rational mind.

Apr 23, 2008 - 1:15 pm 31. RS LaRue:

Democrats are running two incompetents. We can only hope the voters understand this about these two. Neither can point to an achievement that is tangible in results and relative to building experience for future achievement in any area of national concern, economy, security, immigration, or any other area. Both are surrounded by people of dubious honesty. Both have spouses the stick their foot in their mouths. Both are rich socialists who made money under the capitalist system and want to attack free enterprise for others. They will be picking about 3000 appointees who will be in charge policy administration all from this pool of dubious characters. In addition, they will try to appoint judges who will be unelected legislators. Think it through voters there is very much at stake and we need competent people a President and 3000 appointees.

Apr 23, 2008 - 1:23 pm 32. Esther:

In my math before Pennsylvania primary, Hillary Clinton with the total popular vote count 1,704 delegates including Florida and Michigan. She is the big winner in the blue states, big states, she is the real democrats candidate voting by democrats voters! For me, she is the People’s candidate; the real candidate that understand all in this nation in many ways; with experience, capacity and sensibility! USA in normal election NEVER will elect nice speaker without proof of issues and showing how succesfull has been in public and private services! NOW with the country in virtual recesion, war and a lots economic of problems, can americans elect one? It is too much after President Bush disaster! Here it is the Democrat party dilema: listen the nation voters voice or the party elite doing what their interes want!

Apr 23, 2008 - 1:51 pm 33. David:

Look guys– everyone’s gotta get past the hate and fear mongering. I haven’t seen one thing said by a candidate played and blown out of proportion as much as this “bitter” comment since Republican political machines. And if Hillary just says she is doing what Republicans will do in the general election if not as much, why is she running as a democrat? We don’t need the type of Bush political think-tanks republicans seem to be so proud of, we’re above all of that. We’re not racist, we don’t assume someone hates undereducated people because he was referring to their attitude toward their government as “bitter” (which, I will admit, I am) because guys– we ARE bitter. A lot of us, which is everyone but those some 38% who approve of President Bush still. We always vote on the basis of “the lesser of the two evils” or “who is against flag burning” or “gay marriage” (which I agree is a good issue, but we need to do things in order, first to become stable, and to do that we first need an economy that is for the many, and not for the few and no more useless wars). Now come on, hate breeds hate, and the antipathy of the Clinton administration toward anyone who is not for them screams those words Bush once said “If you’re not with us, you’re with the terrorist.” It is not so black and white as our primary has been.

Also, we must be above racism, where one-in-five people in Pennsylvania voted against Obama based on his race. This is a disgrace to not only Dr. Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, Jesse Jackson and all blacks alike, but ourselves. We are better than that. This issue of whether or not Obama can win is ludicrous– he will win, it’s just a matter of time, and this primary race is not making us that much stronger as people may believe, but to be honest, I will be so distraught if Obama loses that I would definitely consider leaving the country. Hillary brings to the table failed politics of hiring businessmen as economic advisors and CEOs of Oil Companies as advisors of environmental policy. She brings conflict and senseless competition, where Obama brings unity and collaboration.

Lastly– I would like to know where John McCain and Hillary Clinton get off calling Obama “elitist”? Correct me if I am wrong, but isn’t Obama black, raised in a single-parent family, and didn’t he just recently pay off his college tuition 3 years ago? That may not seem recent but just think of about what age people usually get out of college and when he finally could afford to pay all of his loan debts. This strikes me as a man who would best represent me, a sophomore college student in the years to come, and could help fix the system that leaves people in the dust, rather than helping to pick them up and wipe their clothes of the filth that is known as special interests, higher taxing on the poor, racism, unequal opportunity, failing healthcare system, poor education, government scandal, and economic crises.

Apr 23, 2008 - 1:57 pm 34. David:

To give an example, RS LaRue, had no bank taken Steve Jobs seriously due to his appearance and no real dealings with the bank before, would there be an Apple Inc. today? Would there be the great computer products everyone uses today at all? As much as conservatives like to play the “faith card”, believing someone can do something based on their faith in that person, why can no one else claim such a thing? I am sorry, but I would rather have some new malleable blood than old and already proven wrong blood. I want someone to represent me, not just the elite 1% of americans with most of the country’s wealth.

Apr 23, 2008 - 2:04 pm 35. VAH:

I agree with the comments of RL Jones. We have to stop sugar coating it, with the blue collar/working class talk and just face it, racism is rearing its ugly head. I feel that a lot of people could not bring themselves to vote for a black man. Whether those voters of Pennsylvania are honest with themselves or with the world and admit the truth, African Americans and are starting to see the truth in the statistics and recognize what reporters and others are afraid to say. Yes, there was no doubt that Hillary was going to win, it was a “Hillary State”, predominantly white. Let’s face it, mostly white older people, which were overwhelmingly in favor of Hillary, really cannot fathom seeing a black man in the White House. It is not that a lot of these white people are pro-Hillary, it is that they are anti Barack Obama, which translates into a black man in the White House, over my dead body, so much so that they would risk having a Republican in the White House another four years! I know Hillary supporters and Obama supporters cannot be so ignorant as to have a Republican in the White House if their candidate does not win. How ignorant would that be??? After all, aren’t they suppose to be hyped up, excited and fired up for the Democratic party? If they are, wouldn’t it be ignorant to go against your party because your candidate loses. Think people. Use your common sense. Having a democratic in the White House is what we want, not having a Republican!!! Does that make sense???

Obama 08

Apr 23, 2008 - 2:20 pm 36. Rachelraye49:

Why do we have to get so nasty when were stating what’s on our mind for the candidate of our choice. We know why Obama didn’t win PA because just like RLJones stated PA still has major issues with blacks. But, remember he is also half white. Which in my opnion makes him the perfect candidate. He is so intelligent but most of all he knows what hard work is all about. This man and his wife just paid off their student loans. Doesn’t sound like he’s worth millions unlike our other candidate. She just doesn’t strike me as caring about anybody but her family. And Bill is just trying to make up to her for all the shame and humility he put her through. It’s all about getting the Clintons back into the white house.

Apr 23, 2008 - 2:25 pm 37. TO:

How can anyone in their right mind, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton and any other person think that they should count Michigan votes when Barack’s name was not even on the ballot? I challenge Hillary supporters to tell me why we should count Michigan if Barack’s name was not on the ballot.
I honestly need a Hillary supporter to tell me why this is fair. I know Hillary wants to win and she plans to do all in power to get the votes in Florida and Michigan to count, however, she herself actually agreed that the votes were not going tocount in the two states and is even recorded saying they don’t count, without hesitation or . I challenge a Hillary supporter to tell me why, after agreeing that the votes should not count in either state that she suddenly believes that the voters of these states are being disenfranchised now, but back when she agreed and was okay with them not counting, she did not feel those voters were being disenfranchised. I challenge Hillary Supporters to explain this to me.

Apr 23, 2008 - 2:34 pm 38. SMS:

The PA Department of State’s unofficial numbers as of today, 04/23/08 are 54.3/45.7%, indicating an 8.6% difference. Even with generally accepted rounding rules, it seems the reporting should be: 54/46% with a 9% difference not a “huge double-digit win”. Please report accurately. Thank you.

Apr 23, 2008 - 2:43 pm 39. RS LaRue:

You are comparing Apples to political candidates. Faith in nothing is still nothing. Obviouly there were a few invidivuals in the venture capital businesses that take chances based on some odds of return. It the case of Apple there was a product that could be evaluated. Lenders say show a business plan and we will evaluate it, if there is substance we will help this much. Blind faith is what folks put in dot coms that had nothing. Stock buyer flocked to nothing most lost their money because it was based on wild hope to strike it rich. If you don’t know what you are buying you get burned. Track records matter!

Apr 23, 2008 - 2:49 pm 40. james d granata:

Hyllary has had in Pennsylvania her Battle of Pharsalus. Certainly Hillary is not Caesar and Obama is not Pompeius. But I like Hillary because she is a true warrior who doesn’t abandon the battle’s camp and fights till the last moment. What will Obama’s destine be? Probably the same of poor stupid Pompeius.

I read this same posting send from Spain in the Herald which explains the phonetic spelling.

Yes, History does repeat its self: In Caesar, you have another parallel for he was done in by the senate of Rome or the super delegates?

Apr 23, 2008 - 2:59 pm 41. RS LaRue:

For David who likes business analogies.
Warren Buffet said he never invested in anything he did not understand. The result was one the most successful inverstor of our time. To Warren track records mattered and identifiable substance mattered. One candidated is relatively known the other nothing. What do you know about the candidates and does it matter?

Apr 23, 2008 - 3:15 pm 42. David:

Look, a lot of people I see go through college having pretty good track records, meaning they look great on paper, but they are pretty much either the most socially inept or unethical people I have ever met. We do not need John McCain, who is actually opposing the equal pay bill in congress for women as we speak, but we need someone of innocence and someone we can believe and believe in. And on the topic of my example, I liked it and either way you look at it, things were based on faith. While computers were more tangible, no one took home computing seriously and they took a large gamble on it, but there was first the vision of Steve Jobs and then people began to see what they could do for them. He had no prior experience in anything such as that, he was a college drop out and a hippie who hated IBM and quite a bit of corporate America. Track records don’t always count for something.

Apr 23, 2008 - 3:29 pm 43. David:

To NewGuy40:
Martin Luther King Jr. preached love and Christian brotherhood among all colors of people.
Malcolm X was a bit of a racist but hey, can you really blame him? He was a direct result of American social standards.
Jesse Jackson… he’s kinda hard to get in only a few words, look him up on Wikipedia if you want.

Apr 23, 2008 - 3:35 pm 44. VAH:

I hope no one interpreted my email as nasty as it was not meant to be that way or in a mean spirited way, however I make no apologies for saying that we must stop sugar coating it, racism is rearing its ugly head and we may as well acknowledge it. There is a pattern here, majority of whites are going for Hillary and a majority of blacks for Obama. I listened to the political pundits say that South Carolina, North Carolina and Philadelphia were in the bag for Obama because the are predominantly black and the majority of blacks vote for Obama, however, when it comes to Pennsylvania and other predominantly white states, it’s Hillary’s state because of “working class/blue collar workers”, not because it is predominantly white and whites favor Hillary. I am a huge political junkie and very much into not just listening to the fact that a candidate wins a state, but the trends and statistics about the about that state. I am noticing a trend that is more than coincidental and is very concerning to me.

Apr 23, 2008 - 3:40 pm 45. Disgusted in Florida:

Most of these people do not even know what they are talking about. One thing that i have noticed is that most Obama supporters do not even know how to spell…first of all, Obama’s name was on the ballot in Florida and he most certainly did campaign with tv ads over and over and over and he did not win…we did not select the day to vote; but voted when we were told to do so….so we should be ignored…i don’t think so…there are other states that vote early each year; why not us…we voted and Hillary won…if Obama would have won he would have wanted those votes counted; well, guess what people they will count in the general election and not for Obama….

Apr 23, 2008 - 4:12 pm 46. RS LaRue:

Hands on experience track record is what I am talking about. Not college grades or great speeches. Results tangible measureable results in business, legislating, or the field you need to achieve with recognition by your peers. Talk don’t get it. Measureable results ar what track reacords of made of not hope or promises or rhetoric. I am sorry if that is hard to understand. I am beginning to sense airhead reasons are what you are talking about as the gold standard of change.

Apr 23, 2008 - 5:48 pm 47. Ceci Bell of Florida:

Write Obama’s Name on Ballot if Clinton Steals Nomination

If Hillary Clinton steals the Democratic nomination from Obama, I will not vote for her or John McCain. I feel strongly about voting because people died so that we could have the right to vote; however, I cannot in good conscience vote for Clinton or McCain. Early during the primary season, I was okay with Clinton or Obama winning; however, the prolonged fight, increased negativity, and dirty tactics have soured my opinion of Hillary Clinton.

I don’t trust her now, so how can I trust her as president? I’m a registered Democrat. I used to be an Independent until I realized in Florida you had to belong to a particular party to participate in primaries. Her kitchen sink strategy and determination to muddy Barack Obama beyond repair for the General Election is too much.

If Clinton “steals” the nomination and you plan on staying home or writing Obama’s name in on the ballot, please sign this guestbook so that the media, pundits, voters, and superdelegates realize that the media spin and polling is not always accurate and can be skewed.

-Ceci Bell of Florida
http://gbook.dvercity.net/

Apr 23, 2008 - 5:49 pm 48. Steve:

Obama did not lose because he is black, despite what a lot of the posts on this thread say. He lost because of his POLITICS. Most Americans do not advocate the type of racism his mentors espouse, or the types of violence his friends have perpetrated in the past, or the type of change, that calls reasonable profits on petroleum “windfall,” but will tolerate 500%+ markups on bottled water and call that OK. Obama loses because he carries little but platitudes. His policies are unworkable in real life. Hillary loses because, well, we’re just sick and tired of everything Clintonesque, the lies, misrepresentations, smears, backstabbing, and ineptitude, along with a love of big government. It isn’t about race and it isn’t about women. America would happliy elect either a black or a woman or a hispanic or an asian. We just don’t like big government that steals our liberties but won’t defend us.

Those who play the race card or women card are just looking for an excuse, not the truth.

Apr 23, 2008 - 6:45 pm 49. M. Simon:

bk,

Yep. Us Republicans are totally afraid of Obama.Why just yesterday I was saying to my Republican friends: If Obama wins the nomination with all that money and Rove on the sidelines we have no chance in November.

Obama 08.

Apr 23, 2008 - 7:59 pm 50. PK:

Sorry, but Sen. Clinton’s win was not a 10 point victory. She won by 9.4 percentage points. In any system of mathematical rounding that I know, this rounds down to 9, not up to 10. The New York Times, even where it reports the results in whole numbers (e.g., 55 to 45 percentage points, rather than 54.7 to 45.3) says that the difference in her favor is 9 percentage points.

It is also important to note that she did not win Philly. In the general election, no democrat can win PA without winning Philly. The republicans tend to dominate in the center of the state. She may not want to push her “If you didn’t win it in the primary, you can’t win it in the fall” argument too far. It can work against her.

Apr 23, 2008 - 9:10 pm 51. CarolynH:

Destroying an Image

Clinton chooses to destroy the uplifting message of hope for change. Every claim she makes is false and aimed at destroying our hope.
There is a positive way to counteract her false attacks.

Mr. Obama needs to do another debate where he defines the message (offensive position).
The false “bitter” comment can be countered offensively. The Republicans have ruled for eight years and they are the ones who have “clung” to the issues of guns, religion, and stereotypes as a way of neglecting the needs of the people. Their politics is filled with issues to divide us (conflicts over gun usage, defining our citizens as black versus white, latino versus non-latino, gay versus straight, religious versus atheist, etc. – using labels to destroy our uniqueness and commonality as human beings and pivot us against each other). This allows them to stay away from necessary solutions for the economic plight of our citizens as well as a resolution for the Iraq war. Mr. Obama was showing compassion for our electorate by promising to put their needs above these false efforts and stereotypes. Of course the win at any cost strategy has driven his opponents to invert Mr. Obama’s meaning and reverse it’s argument. They are bent on inflicting the Anti-Obama IMAGE on Mr. Obama. Mr. Obama, please show your beliefs and character strongly by telling your opponents forcefully that YOU ARE GOING TO PUT A STOP TO THIS GAME BECAUSE IT MUST END or our citizens will continue to suffer since their needs will never be addressed. This is your fight and you must be indignant and angry at their contortion of your meaning and their refusal to help our citizens. Your message can still be uplifting but it must be strong at the same time to show your conviction and confidence in your own beliefs. This message does not participate in character assassination but it reflects a strong man with a determined purpose.

I am convinced that this will convey Mr. Obama’s message in terms that our citizens will understand so they will know when the “spin” rears it’s ugly head and reject it outright.

Apr 23, 2008 - 11:00 pm 52. LeeAnn:

Obama ncan talk the talk……whicj Hilklary does better, but
HILLARY CAN walk the walk ..all the way to the White House !!!!!!

Apr 23, 2008 - 11:45 pm 53. LeeAnn:

Obama can talk the talk……which Hillary does better, but
HILLARY CAN walk the walk ..all the way to the White House !!!!!!

Apr 23, 2008 - 11:49 pm 54. LeeAnn:

I met both candidates out here, &and I began with an open mind. Hillary was genuinely concerned about our country with white and blue collar supporters
while Barock behaved like a wannabee rock star, with black &and muslim teens selling
tee shirts like it was a concert tour instead of a presidential campaign.. I am 1000 per cent sure Hillary is the best candidate for our future, especially when Obama said he wanted to close Guantamo Bay And give the terrorists Habeus Corpus, In my opopinion, Obama is more concerned with protecting
the same terrorists that beheaded Americans than is is about protecting Americans.. I heard him say those endearing words about terrorists
directly from Obama’s mouth, NOT through the media !!!!!! Word up !!!!!! A vote for Obama or McCain is a vote 4 Armageddon..

Apr 24, 2008 - 12:13 am 55. LeeAnn:

I met both candidates out here, &and I began with an open mind. Hillary was genuinely concerned about our country with white and blue collar supporters
while Barock behaved like a wannabee rock star, with black &and muslim teens selling
tee shirts like it was a concert tour instead of a presidential campaign.. I am 1000 per cent sure Hillary is the best candidate for our future, especially when Obama said he wanted to close Guantamo Bay And give the terrorists Habeus Corpus, In my opinion, Obama is more concerned with protecting
the same terrorists that beheaded Americans than he
is about protecting Americans.. I heard him say those endearing words about terrorists
directly from Obama’s mouth, NOT through the media !!!!!! Word up !!!!!! A vote for Obama or McCain is a vote 4 Armageddon

Apr 24, 2008 - 12:27 am 56. Caeser Pompeius:

To: james d granata.

It is very funny to meet you on this page. Internet permits us to hold a dialogue from all points of the world. I’m neither Spanish nor American. For “the phonetic spelling” of Latin names I use the “Classical Dictionary” (1852) by William Smith. It is a very good Dictionary. I remember well Caesar’s destiny (sic). But do you remember the end of Pompeius? Here I quote Smith’s Dictionary: “His head was cut off, and was brought to Caesar”, i.e. Obama’s head, according to my “modernist” interpretation. Yes, as you say, History does repeat itself, but History is not made only by men. If you read Homer’s Iliad, you should remember: the last word belongs always to the gods. I am not a prophet, but, as Theodor Mommsen says about Pompeius, “even the grace of gods can help to no mortal who lacks courage”. The best book about Caesar and Pompeius is “Römische Geschichte” (t. III) by Theodor Mommsen. See also Caesar’s magnificent “Commentarii de Bello Gallico”.

Apr 24, 2008 - 4:35 am 57. TomJW:

No, Hillary only won by 9.3740983746589492…%!
Barack only outspent her 2.29652746647864 to 1!
Lol! Lol! Lol!
It will be fought out at the Demo convention. I hope they use knives on each other and there are no survivors. It could only be sweeter if they took out the MSM covering them too.
Sadly for me, I would need to have Juan MexiCain keel over from a heart attack or something for there to be a chance for this country’s survival over the next 4 years. I’m not looking forward to this election.

Apr 24, 2008 - 5:46 am 58. M.E.:

It is absolutely indifferent who wins the Democratic nominee. These democratic primaries remind me of a witches’ Sabbath. The Democratic Party seems to be split in two sects with their own hysteric followers. Only two examples from the Herald Tribune’s comments:
Hillary’s follower: “As a none voter I would just pray hard for her victorious outcome. Hillary hillary hillary go go go..”
Obama’s follower: “If Hillary is their candidate, I and most everyone I know will vote for McCain”.
The logic of this passage from Hillary (or from Obama) to McCain escapes me. Indeed, here we have a typical sectarian mentality that rejects all reasoning and all positive discussions. So the situation in the Democratic Party must be analyzed not by a political analyst but a psychoanalyst.

Apr 24, 2008 - 6:12 am 59. Concerned Citizen:

It is racist to vote against a candidate because they are black.

Doesn’t that make it racist to vote FOR a candidate because they are black?

Sadly, racism is rearing its ugly head among both white AND black voters.

Apr 24, 2008 - 6:29 am 60. Ciscokid:

You reap what you sew & now your stuck with him. Obama that is. Liberals fell in love with a Tony Robbins clone. Liberals are now obligated to tell everyone what they’re “really” thinking, believing, saying or what they shouldn’t be objecting too. White people didn’t vote for Obama because they’re racist etc. Never mind listening to the specific reasons people said they didn’t vote for Obama. Ultraliberals (elitist) have decided whatever that reason is, doesn’t matter because they know how we think. We’re just to stupid to get it. Pennsylvania? Maybe next time your ultraliberal candidate will figure out what a Truman democrat is & try not insulting them. What comes around goes around & liberals better get ready to deal with it. You’re stuck! Obama (don’t worry) is going to get the nomination. Your greed for electing a candidate more liberal than Hillary makes sense if you’ve been watching & reading your own liberal press ( fox is the enemy & must be defeated – forget that free speech thing). Obama is unelectable now with his past, not to mention what else will be found by following his trail. Ducks in a barrel. Thank you Liberals. Keep telling us what’s important or not. Keep reminding people what’s a relevant story or question. Keep telling us how Obama’s past associations & the anti-Israel advisors (likely to serve in his administration) don’t mean a thing. Keep telling us how Obama wasn’t there or ignored the black separatist theology ( Farrakhan disciples) coming out of his spiritual mentors mouth. Keep telling us why the flag pin doesn’t matter. This is turning out to be Chicago politics on a national scale. Here’s some advise for liberals from a Chicago born native. If you’ve been hypnotized by his speeches & must vote for Obama, remember – denial is your friend when pulling that lever this November. Only people who’re comfortable with denial can still feel (feelings – way more important than facts to a Liberal- i.e. nobody likes us anymore & that’s the reason we must “change” even though history has proven us right.) good about themselves after.

Apr 24, 2008 - 7:37 am 61. VAH:

Answer to the question of Concerned Citizen.

Absolutely, it is. I should say that there is no distinction between the blacks or whites. Blacks voting for a candidate because heor she is black is the same. But isn’t it the same when many women are making it known that they are voting for Hillary because they want to see a woman in the White House on the same level? It is just sad to me. Seeing women coming out and droves saying that they are voting for Hillary because they “want to see a woman in the White House” is just as wrong. You vote for a candidate because you believe in them, share their views, trust that they have the country’s best interest in their heart and mind and will do their best to bring change to make the country better.. A lot of women openly admit that they want Hillary because she is a women and they think she will bring change to the White House, what would happen if large number of blacks came out in droves and OPENLY said that they want to see a black man in the White House to bring change to the country? I am pretty sure that we all know the answer to that question!
Question and comment for LeAnn.
I am curious, what is wrong with “black& and muslim teens” selling T-shirts to raise money and show support for the candidate that they favor, Barack Obama? To me that is actually very encouraging to see the youth getting so involved in politics, which is something that makes Barack’s campaign so successful against Hillary. Also, do you really think that Hillary’s fans don’t go over the top for their candidate and possibly sell T-shirts wherever necessary to help raise money for her in any way they could, especially since her campaign has been in the red? Believe it or not, Hillary has black and muslim supporters too that would be willing to do the same thing but probably did not think to do so. Another thing, there have been “working class, blue collar workers” who have been doing the same thing for Barack, but I guess you did not know that.
Actually, to help her campaign raise more money, she should probably be doing the same thing, if she is not already. Oh, but during her winning speech in Pennsylvania, it was a good idea for her to give her internet address for $5 donations too.

Apr 24, 2008 - 9:46 am 62. Dude:

Dear “Concerned Citizen,”

You are absolutely right on the racism comment, but with reference to Obama, to vote for him and what he represents is probably more a reflection of people’s ignorance than their racisim. We have a lot of people in this country who have squandered their free education, can barely read or write, call everything that is gangsta, art, drink in anything the popular media is pushing, wallow in hate because they’ve been taught to blame others for the messes they’ve made of their own lives, and vote based on color and a type of rhetoric that has no foundation in actual or practical reality.

But once thinking people catch on, and I mean by that people who don’t have John Lennon’s “Imagine” on their IPods, Obama goes into the tank because people realize he has nothing positive to offer other than rob from the worker to give to the non worker; a kind of Robin in the Hood approach.

Apr 24, 2008 - 10:01 am 63. VAH:

LeeAnn I apologize for not getting the spelling or your name correct.
I just wanted to add something and it is not meant to single you out specifically but to the people that this applies to only. I have found that some people have racial biasis, intentional or unintentional (known or unknown)because where they are from and how they have been raised. Because where we are from and how we have been raised, we often cannot identify or comprehend and fear others because of our differences. Our differences and fears don’t allow us to accept the things that we have in common, which are actually more than our differences. When trying to move this country forward and at present, our Democratic party, we will have to see past our inconsequential differences and embrace our common interests, for the Democratic party to take over the White House. What difference does it make whether the person in the White House is a man, a woman, a black, white, asian, hispanic or native american? Does the candidate share most of your views? Is he or she trying to make change that is benefical to not only our party, but the country? Is that candidate asking you to take part in changing the country? If so, that is who we should be looking to. Someone who will overlook race, color or creed to move this country forward and gradually heal our economic crisis by creating more jobs, changing NAFTA, helping this country go green, paying teachers better and helping our children become more competitive academically to ensure a better for their lives and their children’s lives. Any candidate that promises automatic success for the country once he or she gets in office is not being honest with us or with themselves. I have to agree with Barack Obama when he says that “change is not going to happen overnight” He says that it is going to take not only the president, but the people of this great country to step up, work hard, work together to build this great country back up again. The honesty and truth about what Obama says about all of us working hard and working together to make the country better, not just the president and government is something I believe in and why I choose to vote for him. I trust him and find him to be sincere about helping changing the country for the better.

Apr 24, 2008 - 11:37 am 64. VAH:

This is in response to “Dude” refering to Barack, “he has nothing positive to offer other than rob from the worker to give to the non worker; a kind of Robin in the Hood approach”.

Positives-Obama
1) Merit payIt provides bonuses for workers who perform their jobs better, according to measurable criteria.
2) He supports higher pay for teachers based on merit pay.
3) He supports investing in a clean energy future
4) He has called for the expansion of Armed Forces by “adding 65,000 soldiers to the Army and 27,000 Marines to keep our country safe and ready.
5) He has pledged to cut greenhouse gas emissions.
6) Obama supportsd embryonic stem cell research
7)Obama helped introduce the BiFuels Security Act, which will help decrease this country’s dependence of foreign oil by growing our own fule
Obama helped to introduce a bill to promote the development of electric drive cars to help us have electricity for transporation
9) He wants to bring a (key word) RESPONSIBLE end to the war in Iraq.
10) He is exceptionally bright and open-minded. This country needs some exceptionally bright to restore the success and greatness of our country.
That is just ten positives, but there are many many more positives. Either you are uninformed about Obama or maybe you do not consider these things positives???

Apr 24, 2008 - 12:28 pm 65. klrtz1:

There is no better indicator of Barack Obama’s character than his reneging on his promise to limit himself to public funding if his opponent in the general election limits himself likewise. John McCain has already announced he will rely on public funding in the general election. Barak Obama dodges the press, refusing to answer any questions, because he will not answer that challenge. Nothing else shows so clearly that Barack Obama is just another lying politician who will say anything to get elected.

Go ahead, call me a racist for speaking the truth just like you called Geraldine Ferraro a racist.

Apr 24, 2008 - 12:29 pm 66. TO:

Yesterday, in all fairness to both candidates, I challenged Hillary supporters to explain to me why the votes in Michigan should count when Barack Obama’s name was not on the ballot and to also explain to me why Hillary agreed that the votes would not count in Florida and Michigan and did not mention anything about them being disenfranchised, is now coming forward to say how the votes should count and that those voters are being disenfranchised. I did not get a response from any Hillary supporters. Why? I know there are Hillary supporters on here. In addition to all Hillary supporters, may I ask (some of these people possibily are not Hillary supporters) these people to answer this question for me.
1) RPC
2) Esther
3) RS LaRue
4) LeeAnn (please talk some talk for me)
5) Concerned Citizen
6) Dude

Apr 24, 2008 - 1:10 pm 67. 2nd Asst to the Junior Trainee:

While talking to my friend in Europe, he says he can’t figure out why we are even bothering to hold a presidential election.

On one side, you have a bitch who is a lawyer, married to a lawyer, or a lawyer who is married to a bitch, who is also a lawyer.

On the other side, you have a true war hero married to a woman with a huge chest and owns a beer distributorship.

Is there a contest here?”

Apr 24, 2008 - 1:24 pm 68. TO:

Krltz1

I will not call you a racist for speaking your point of view, however, which one of these politicians, including McCain and Clinton have not waffled on something or the other.
McCain is no saint. For years he spoke out against lobbyists and the negativity and improprierty of politicians entertaining them, however, he has allowed himself to be surrounded by lobbyists. Clinton waffled on war — even in a 24 hour period. Clinton told a union audience that she favored keeping some troops in Iraq “to protect our interests” there after a major pullout. But the following day, she told an activist at an anti-war gathering that she wants U.S. troops withdrawn from Iraq.
On that day, she gained kudos for her “Take Back America” conference by saying “We’re going to end the war in Iraq and finally bring our troops home.” After all we have heard of ALL of these candidates, I think it would be unfair and a bit extreme to single out Barack Obama’s CHARACTER and not Clinton or McCain.

Apr 24, 2008 - 3:49 pm 69. Barney:

These democratic primaries are certainly worth a chapter of the celebrated book about “Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds” by Charles Mackay (London 1852). It is possible to foresee (in case of the adorable candidate’s lost) mass hysteria and even collective suicides. What about St. Obamus, the cause of this new “Madness of Crowds”? In any case he will increase his poor income of $4 million: not for his own profit but to help spiritually the victims of his deadly eloquence.

Apr 25, 2008 - 6:44 am 70. Vera Richardson:

I am a political junkie with a degree in Political Science and a minor in Criminal Justice. As a people we know spin and bull —- when we see and hear it. The only way that Hillary can win the nomination is if the Super Delegates over rule all the voters in the states that Obama won. How can any black person support the candidate and party that will do that to us after our years of loyal support of that party?
We all have special talents and divine purposes. God has created someone for just this time in history. That person or group of people needs to start a movement for “ALL’ Obama supporters Blacks, poor, Whites, young, old, Asians, Hispanics to match in NC now and voice our demand that the Super Delegates honor the primary election results and rules passed before the start of the primary.
http://yourblackgospel.blogspot.com/2008/04/it-is-time-to-pray-and-march-for.html

To the Democratic Party leaders I say endorse Senator Obama now and end this blood bath. There are over 300 million people living in this country. Isn’t it time that someone who isn’t a Clinton or Bush have the opportunity to represent us and to represent the United States of America to the world?
Support Senator Barack Obama and the Democrats will not only take back the White House but we will also gain additional seats in both the House and the Senate. Seats needed to implement the “changes” that Senator Obama is so passionate about making.

Lastly, I say to the uncommitted super delegates this is Barack Obama’s time to run for the Presidency. (He has won more states, more popular votes, and more delegates) It is time for you to pay us (black people) for being loyal and true. The American people voted for change during the 2007 election. Unfortunately Congress has been unable to deliver that change. This country can not afford to let Hillary’s blind ambition fueled by Bill’s desire for a third term destroy the Democratic Party and our chances to make positive changes for all Americans.

Vera Richardson author of “A Case of Racial Discrimination and Retaliation Real or Imagined.”

Apr 25, 2008 - 7:01 am 71. Ciscokid:

Reply to – 2nd assistant to the junior trainee.

Your post was brilliant. McCain should use the fact his wife owns a beer distributorship!! I know people living in Milwaukee & St Louis, would feel the bond.

Nice rack or deceptive lawyer spouses? Thinking about it, I could imagine smoking a cigarette, complemented by beer chaser, after voting for McCain

Apr 25, 2008 - 7:36 am 72. David:

To: RS LaRue
Like the track record of George W. Bush? Several failed companies, but hey, it was experience in business. Just what exactly is this “tangible” experience? Just doing something, anything? Hillary Clinton was the WIFE of the president, she just did the old normal stuff any first lady does– make appearances and some peace talks to appeal to their feminine side. Barack Obama has dealt with people on a social and economic level. And Hillary? Some rich little white girl who actually said “Screw ‘Em” in reference to blue-collar workers in the South. Go ahead, look it up on Google. I’m right. You think Hillary could give two craps about you, or anyone with less money than she? Foolish child. She doesn’t care about you. She is very highly paid by lobbyists from Pharmaceutical Companies and Insurance companies, and you think she wants to fix healthcare? There’s too much money for her in this broken system, why would she change it? Her experience is either completely inane (Bosnia) or corrupt (healthcare).

Apr 25, 2008 - 9:05 am 73. David:

Who could better fix the economic system for the impoverished than one who has been poor, himself? And to answer the question: Why can’t he close the deal? Racism lives, that’s why. Many of the WHITE blue-collar workers voted against Obama because of the issue of race. The others, just because she’s a woman, which is understandable, I too would like to see a female president in my lifetime, but a STRONG female president. I don’t want a female president who complained constantly when she was losing primary’s “Oh, poor me, it’s because I’m a woman. Oh no, people hate women, the issue of sexism is still rampant.” I’m sorry, but were women enslaved, finally freed, brought down by Jim Crow laws and decades later, still looked down upon and kept down by social and government policies? Last time I checked, the strong women like Margaret Thatcher did not whine when people thought less of them for being a woman. Strong women prove themselves to be above all that, don’t even mention it, and show everybody wrong, not the opposite. And as many of Clinton’s zombies keep toting: “Experience! Track record! Urrrrgghhh!” my response is– “No. Just because she was the wife of the president, that makes her fit to be one? Obama’s wife went to Princeton University and Harvard Law School, does that mean he went there too? Apparently it does, because if Hillary gets experience from her husband being in the Oval Office, we all share the experience of our spouses or significant others.”

Apr 25, 2008 - 9:23 am 74. Alice:

Real America is not going to elect a black radical to president. Only surreal Wonderland can vote for Rev. Wright’s pupil and read stupid books of furious Vera Richardson.

Apr 25, 2008 - 9:41 am 75. TO:

In response to the poor delusional ‘Alice” and the many Hillary supporters, Republicans/Fox News Network, far right zealots and white racists, don’t let naievety get in the way of the reality and inevitability. First of all, there is not a snowball’s chance in hell Hillary will be able to beat Obama. The math is not there and the best case scenario for Florida and Michigan is splitting the votes, but to try to convince the superdelegates to reverse Obama’s winning the primary is actually a joke. Secondly, Obama will win. Whether the delusionals like it or not, rightfully so or not, Obama appeals to many young people, independents, people tired of the mess the republicans have made of the economy, school system (no child left behind) and the country and its reputation altogether. Who in their right mind would vote for another republican who thinks Bush was overall a pretty good President? This is a no-brainer. Only die hard republicans who would watch us spend another hundred years in war while our country is recession, people are losing their homes, some cities are practically going bankrupt. Yeah, let the country go bankrupt, but let’s stay in war for another 100 years just to win the war!!! and because we are republicans and as you can see, we know what is best for the country. A they say dems are looney. Sounds looney to me. Only a republican would do that. Like I said, just you wait and see Democrats will take the White House, led by Barack Obama and when they do, I am going to make it a special point to be back on here to remind “Alice” and other delusional republicans of this day!

Apr 25, 2008 - 2:15 pm

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