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		<title>By: Eastern &#38; Central European Forum</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-cold-war-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-198797</link>
		<dc:creator>Eastern &#38; Central European Forum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 02:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Contradictions to the &quot;New Cold War&quot; Theme
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/58661</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Contradictions to the &#8220;New Cold War&#8221; Theme<br />
<a href="http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/58661" rel="nofollow">http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/58661</a></p>
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		<title>By: the nutshell paragraph &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Cold War II update</title>
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		<dc:creator>the nutshell paragraph &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Cold War II update</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 04:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] “I will never learn to read an American by face, to see if he is a swindler or if he considers me a swindler. It’s murder to live in such an environment…” Russia’s view of America… [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] “I will never learn to read an American by face, to see if he is a swindler or if he considers me a swindler. It’s murder to live in such an environment…” Russia’s view of America… [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dimitri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dimitri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 00:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know it&#039;s not said in a polite company, but it is interesting to know, how this dislike of Russians correlates with dissatisfaction with the results of WWII. With all those very democratic new States, whose population eagerly joined SS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know it&#8217;s not said in a polite company, but it is interesting to know, how this dislike of Russians correlates with dissatisfaction with the results of WWII. With all those very democratic new States, whose population eagerly joined SS.</p>
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		<title>By: tencer.net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Cold War II update</title>
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		<dc:creator>tencer.net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Cold War II update</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 20:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;I will never learn to read an American by face, to see if he is a swindler or if he considers me a swindler. It&#8217;s murder to live in such an environment&#8230;&#8221; Russia&#8217;s view of America&#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8220;I will never learn to read an American by face, to see if he is a swindler or if he considers me a swindler. It&#8217;s murder to live in such an environment&#8230;&#8221; Russia&#8217;s view of America&#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Russian Bear</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 02:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Russia’s erratic, tyrannical and aggressive behavior over the centuries&quot;.

What all this is about? There was nothing in Russia behavior more aggressive than the behavior of the other political players of the time. Russian Empire expanded by two ways: 
1. exploring and settling on the sparsely populated territories of the Urals and Siberia. Which is what British and Americans did on the territory of the modern USA and Canada. The only difference was that Russians did not kill local tribes and did not push them into reservations.
2. Making alliances with some nations and absorbing them into the Empire on the terms of providing them protection from other powerful pretenders on their territories. That was Ukraine, which had to choose between Russia and Poland, and Georgia, which was asking for Russian protection from Turkey and Persia. 
3. Conquering some other nations, mostly by taking them from other conquerors, like Estonia and Latvia (taken from Sweden), or Armenia, Moldova, the Black Sea Western and Northern coastal areas (taken from Turkey). In the Middle Asia Russians were advancing towards the British, who were trying to expand their possessions in India and Afganistan to that area. So, there was nothing unusually aggressive or tyrannical. In fact Russian colonialism was softer and more humane and tolerant to the local population than the ones of the Western powers. 
The Communist period was a rather aggressive one. But that aggressiveness was not &quot;for centuries&quot;, just about 40 years  past WWII. The USSR was ideologically driven and tried to impose Communism on the other nations. Communism in Russian understanding would be a good system to make the whole mankind happy. So, they acted not from evil but from good intentions. Again, some things were dictated by the existing state of Cold War, which was yet a WAR. So, Russians from war-time strategic consideration could not yield Hungary in 1956 or Chzeckoslovakia in 1968 to the West. Like the Western powers would not allow Portugal to fall into Communist hands in the result of the Revolution there in 1974. 
 I do not see how Russians can be more aggressive than Americans, Britons or French.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Russia’s erratic, tyrannical and aggressive behavior over the centuries&#8221;.</p>
<p>What all this is about? There was nothing in Russia behavior more aggressive than the behavior of the other political players of the time. Russian Empire expanded by two ways:<br />
1. exploring and settling on the sparsely populated territories of the Urals and Siberia. Which is what British and Americans did on the territory of the modern USA and Canada. The only difference was that Russians did not kill local tribes and did not push them into reservations.<br />
2. Making alliances with some nations and absorbing them into the Empire on the terms of providing them protection from other powerful pretenders on their territories. That was Ukraine, which had to choose between Russia and Poland, and Georgia, which was asking for Russian protection from Turkey and Persia.<br />
3. Conquering some other nations, mostly by taking them from other conquerors, like Estonia and Latvia (taken from Sweden), or Armenia, Moldova, the Black Sea Western and Northern coastal areas (taken from Turkey). In the Middle Asia Russians were advancing towards the British, who were trying to expand their possessions in India and Afganistan to that area. So, there was nothing unusually aggressive or tyrannical. In fact Russian colonialism was softer and more humane and tolerant to the local population than the ones of the Western powers.<br />
The Communist period was a rather aggressive one. But that aggressiveness was not &#8220;for centuries&#8221;, just about 40 years  past WWII. The USSR was ideologically driven and tried to impose Communism on the other nations. Communism in Russian understanding would be a good system to make the whole mankind happy. So, they acted not from evil but from good intentions. Again, some things were dictated by the existing state of Cold War, which was yet a WAR. So, Russians from war-time strategic consideration could not yield Hungary in 1956 or Chzeckoslovakia in 1968 to the West. Like the Western powers would not allow Portugal to fall into Communist hands in the result of the Revolution there in 1974.<br />
 I do not see how Russians can be more aggressive than Americans, Britons or French.</p>
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		<title>By: neoneo</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 23:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi B Dubya,
Thanks for your response. You write: &quot;The Russians have no such thing as even benign intent towards the west, especially not towards the United States.&quot; You are wrong on that. I am a Russian and I do love the US ( and somehow   I love the PC Europe too, but a little less then US :-)  ). I know that there are many Russians who love US as well. If they did not, they would not voluntary demolished their empire in 1991 and started seeking contcts with the west. It is only Russian inclination towards the West led to 1991 revolution, please do not forget the history.

 But the number of Russian supporters of US values will significantly decrease after this incident with Georgia and one sided position of US. Personally, I will not back up, for I distinguish between the spirit of Freedom that guides US and the intellectual impotence of the current US administration.

 Till   the time of this crisis in Georgia I have been looking at Russians as uncivilized rude   morons who are in bed with the evil like Iran and Syria. Yes, just like you, I too see the trends!  But this Georgia war somehow has changes my stereotypes. It is a completely differet trend.  This is the first time in about 108 years when Russians stand  for the good at the time when the West stands for the evil (for the evil dictator S-u-c-k-ashvilli , I mean). It has been always the other way around till this time.

  Russian had realized the fact that their ideology has  sinful and evil nature    in 1991 and they had voluntary demolished the empire of evil. They were looking for moral guidance to the West and they did trust to the west till  now or perhaps till war in Kosovo or Iraq.

Now only they have realized that they can no longer outsource their moral thinking to the West, because the quality of the foreign product sucks  :-). The present uprising against Western moral  influence  indicates that Russia is capable of making independent moral judgment, and  stand at the site of the right  and to defend the poor and needy, even if the kings of this world do not like that. (Thanks to Lord Jesus for this). It indicates that Russia is slowly becoming a Christian country, with true Christain values while US and EU slide towards corruption and abomination of the power greed of this material world. The West clearly  shows signs of moral corruption and hypocrisy in its stance towards Russia and I know that God hates the corrupted ones.   

However I like the Western mentality personally and however I dislike Russian mentality I can not go against my consciousness and say that Russia has done the wrong (by defending S. Ossetia from slaughter) and US has done the right by supporting a fascistic homicidal maniac who learned all his tricks from Putin and George Bush. I see that Russia is rising from the moral pit where it was while the West is descending to moral pit.  I wish that West were on the right side, but unfortunately it is not. And God hates the transgressors.

I do not think that my responce is ad hominem . I criticized  your point first, and based on that I compared you to the other lunatics from the left. Ad hominem would  mean that I criticize you personally first and based on that I claim that your point is wrong (please see the wiki on definition of ad hominem). 

May   peace and   love and   wisdom  of  Lord Jesus be with you. May he guides your moral judgemets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi B Dubya,<br />
Thanks for your response. You write: &#8220;The Russians have no such thing as even benign intent towards the west, especially not towards the United States.&#8221; You are wrong on that. I am a Russian and I do love the US ( and somehow   I love the PC Europe too, but a little less then US <img src='http://pajamasmedia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   ). I know that there are many Russians who love US as well. If they did not, they would not voluntary demolished their empire in 1991 and started seeking contcts with the west. It is only Russian inclination towards the West led to 1991 revolution, please do not forget the history.</p>
<p> But the number of Russian supporters of US values will significantly decrease after this incident with Georgia and one sided position of US. Personally, I will not back up, for I distinguish between the spirit of Freedom that guides US and the intellectual impotence of the current US administration.</p>
<p> Till   the time of this crisis in Georgia I have been looking at Russians as uncivilized rude   morons who are in bed with the evil like Iran and Syria. Yes, just like you, I too see the trends!  But this Georgia war somehow has changes my stereotypes. It is a completely differet trend.  This is the first time in about 108 years when Russians stand  for the good at the time when the West stands for the evil (for the evil dictator S-u-c-k-ashvilli , I mean). It has been always the other way around till this time.</p>
<p>  Russian had realized the fact that their ideology has  sinful and evil nature    in 1991 and they had voluntary demolished the empire of evil. They were looking for moral guidance to the West and they did trust to the west till  now or perhaps till war in Kosovo or Iraq.</p>
<p>Now only they have realized that they can no longer outsource their moral thinking to the West, because the quality of the foreign product sucks  <img src='http://pajamasmedia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> . The present uprising against Western moral  influence  indicates that Russia is capable of making independent moral judgment, and  stand at the site of the right  and to defend the poor and needy, even if the kings of this world do not like that. (Thanks to Lord Jesus for this). It indicates that Russia is slowly becoming a Christian country, with true Christain values while US and EU slide towards corruption and abomination of the power greed of this material world. The West clearly  shows signs of moral corruption and hypocrisy in its stance towards Russia and I know that God hates the corrupted ones.   </p>
<p>However I like the Western mentality personally and however I dislike Russian mentality I can not go against my consciousness and say that Russia has done the wrong (by defending S. Ossetia from slaughter) and US has done the right by supporting a fascistic homicidal maniac who learned all his tricks from Putin and George Bush. I see that Russia is rising from the moral pit where it was while the West is descending to moral pit.  I wish that West were on the right side, but unfortunately it is not. And God hates the transgressors.</p>
<p>I do not think that my responce is ad hominem . I criticized  your point first, and based on that I compared you to the other lunatics from the left. Ad hominem would  mean that I criticize you personally first and based on that I claim that your point is wrong (please see the wiki on definition of ad hominem). </p>
<p>May   peace and   love and   wisdom  of  Lord Jesus be with you. May he guides your moral judgemets.</p>
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		<title>By: B Dubya</title>
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		<dc:creator>B Dubya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tell you what Neoneo. Take a look at the Russias in 4 years, and then come tell me what a lunatic I am.

I just report the trends, folks. History really does teach us, if you care to read and learn. What I write is not always pretty, but it has a basis in historical fact and recently observed behaviors.

One of the hallmarks of the 20th century monsters of genocide was their contunued use of the Big Lie, repeated often enough that the weak minded and useful tools were able to believe it. The use of moral relativism is simply a recent refinement of that strategy, totally embraced by the resident culture of treason here in the United States. 

The Russians have no such thing as even benign intent towards the west, especially not towards the United States. Forget that at your peril, because even their collaborators won&#039;t flourish in the world they would like to make.

My guess is you should rethink your idea of lunacy. It&#039;s clear that you aren&#039;t able to itellectually encompass the entire depth of the concept.

The standard ad hominem response from a typically crippled intellect is what you folks are noted for, Why should you be any different from your fellows?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tell you what Neoneo. Take a look at the Russias in 4 years, and then come tell me what a lunatic I am.</p>
<p>I just report the trends, folks. History really does teach us, if you care to read and learn. What I write is not always pretty, but it has a basis in historical fact and recently observed behaviors.</p>
<p>One of the hallmarks of the 20th century monsters of genocide was their contunued use of the Big Lie, repeated often enough that the weak minded and useful tools were able to believe it. The use of moral relativism is simply a recent refinement of that strategy, totally embraced by the resident culture of treason here in the United States. </p>
<p>The Russians have no such thing as even benign intent towards the west, especially not towards the United States. Forget that at your peril, because even their collaborators won&#8217;t flourish in the world they would like to make.</p>
<p>My guess is you should rethink your idea of lunacy. It&#8217;s clear that you aren&#8217;t able to itellectually encompass the entire depth of the concept.</p>
<p>The standard ad hominem response from a typically crippled intellect is what you folks are noted for, Why should you be any different from your fellows?</p>
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		<title>By: neoneo</title>
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		<dc:creator>neoneo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 17:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>B Dubya:
&quot;Some of us know what Putin and the Russians are really up to. We remember Stalin and Breshnev. We remember their American fellow travellers too. We also remember what is required to defeat them.
If you thought that the war against Islam is a long one, then remember that the Russians have been at this since the 13th contury.
New cold war? Hell, the first one never ended.&quot;

neoneo:
B Dubya, what do you feel when you read or hear something as follows : “you belong to evil American empire which has legacy of slavery, racism and genocide of native Indians. You did it earlier, you continue doing it in another form. You had instigated Vietnam war just only 40 years ago.  We, all the civilized people will fight with evil American imperialism until it is completely destroyed.  We will be marching through your cities with a slogan:
We will fight,
We will win!
Ho Chi Mingh! 
Ho Chi Mingh! “

 Does it sound fair to you?  But, does this sound familiar to you Dubya?   Yes, it is a piece of Left sentiments popular ammong US intelligenzia and European youth. But this mirrors what you say about Russia one to one, and it is as ethical and sober  as what you say.
 
Well, before I started reading PM threads about Russia I had an opinion that moonbats and lunatics exist exclusively on the left. Now I see that I was wrong.  I find that you and the left have the same moral compass and you both make me to feel sick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>B Dubya:<br />
&#8220;Some of us know what Putin and the Russians are really up to. We remember Stalin and Breshnev. We remember their American fellow travellers too. We also remember what is required to defeat them.<br />
If you thought that the war against Islam is a long one, then remember that the Russians have been at this since the 13th contury.<br />
New cold war? Hell, the first one never ended.&#8221;</p>
<p>neoneo:<br />
B Dubya, what do you feel when you read or hear something as follows : “you belong to evil American empire which has legacy of slavery, racism and genocide of native Indians. You did it earlier, you continue doing it in another form. You had instigated Vietnam war just only 40 years ago.  We, all the civilized people will fight with evil American imperialism until it is completely destroyed.  We will be marching through your cities with a slogan:<br />
We will fight,<br />
We will win!<br />
Ho Chi Mingh!<br />
Ho Chi Mingh! “</p>
<p> Does it sound fair to you?  But, does this sound familiar to you Dubya?   Yes, it is a piece of Left sentiments popular ammong US intelligenzia and European youth. But this mirrors what you say about Russia one to one, and it is as ethical and sober  as what you say.</p>
<p>Well, before I started reading PM threads about Russia I had an opinion that moonbats and lunatics exist exclusively on the left. Now I see that I was wrong.  I find that you and the left have the same moral compass and you both make me to feel sick.</p>
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		<title>By: Is Putin a Closet Republican? : Sean&#8217;s Russia Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Is Putin a Closet Republican? : Sean&#8217;s Russia Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 16:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] think I was half joking when I wrote, &#8220;If McCain wins in November he should send Medvedev and Putin a box of chocolates in [...]</description>
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		<title>By: poul</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 16:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DoktorNo,

&quot;Oh yea, we Poles build the Auschwitz and murdered 5 milion Jews here.&quot;

i said helped. vast majority of jews killed in asschwitz were rounded up by poles and passed to germans. they liked it so much, they continued to kill jews even after germans lost:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kielce_pogrom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DoktorNo,</p>
<p>&#8220;Oh yea, we Poles build the Auschwitz and murdered 5 milion Jews here.&#8221;</p>
<p>i said helped. vast majority of jews killed in asschwitz were rounded up by poles and passed to germans. they liked it so much, they continued to kill jews even after germans lost:<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kielce_pogrom" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kielce_pogrom</a></p>
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