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		<title>By: Ms. Know</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/how-obama-turned-indiana-blue/comment-page-3/#comment-152549</link>
		<dc:creator>Ms. Know</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He had the mainstream media illuminati to help him.  Plus he had lots of money because he lied about taking public financing, that&#039;s how he turned it blue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He had the mainstream media illuminati to help him.  Plus he had lots of money because he lied about taking public financing, that&#8217;s how he turned it blue.</p>
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		<title>By: Lolita</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/how-obama-turned-indiana-blue/comment-page-3/#comment-151909</link>
		<dc:creator>Lolita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 04:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Virginian, the thing that surprised me the most about the election was VA going blue!  It&#039;s never happened in my lifetime.  Times are certainly changing in the south, as NC was pretty close as well.  Indiana was quite the surprise.

The electoral map looks quite a bit different than in 2004.  I think Republicans need to reevaluate the stances of their party.  If they focus on conservative government (small federal government and budget) and stop focusing on abortion, gay marriage and other issues that have nothing to do with SMALL GOVERNMENT, I think they might have a chance in 4 or 8 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Virginian, the thing that surprised me the most about the election was VA going blue!  It&#8217;s never happened in my lifetime.  Times are certainly changing in the south, as NC was pretty close as well.  Indiana was quite the surprise.</p>
<p>The electoral map looks quite a bit different than in 2004.  I think Republicans need to reevaluate the stances of their party.  If they focus on conservative government (small federal government and budget) and stop focusing on abortion, gay marriage and other issues that have nothing to do with SMALL GOVERNMENT, I think they might have a chance in 4 or 8 years.</p>
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		<title>By: hoosiertoo</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/how-obama-turned-indiana-blue/comment-page-3/#comment-149923</link>
		<dc:creator>hoosiertoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 03:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I prefer to think of Obama supporters as idiots, or maybe just gulls. I have a hard time believing that the majority of Americans actually buy into the evil that Obama and the Democratic Party are going to foist on the US over (at least) the next four years. 

Bonding together as a nation? Not if. Fighting our new administration? Every step. Building a principled opposition out of a Republican Party purged of useful idiots? God willing.

Forging a new nation? If necessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I prefer to think of Obama supporters as idiots, or maybe just gulls. I have a hard time believing that the majority of Americans actually buy into the evil that Obama and the Democratic Party are going to foist on the US over (at least) the next four years. </p>
<p>Bonding together as a nation? Not if. Fighting our new administration? Every step. Building a principled opposition out of a Republican Party purged of useful idiots? God willing.</p>
<p>Forging a new nation? If necessary.</p>
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		<title>By: justthefacts</title>
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		<dc:creator>justthefacts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done, Richard B ! An erudite and mature response.</description>
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		<title>By: Richard B</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/how-obama-turned-indiana-blue/comment-page-2/#comment-148975</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always find Ari Kaufman&#039;s articles extremely well thought out, researched and well said. He leaves no thoughts trailing off into the distance and his writing always forces me to comment. This article is no exception. This was a well balanced piece for the most part and I find the responses interesting as well. Hence, my comments.

The vast majority of the respondents are Republican and almost all share the same view. The thread of thought seems to overwhelmingly think of democrats as ignorant idiots. Do those of you who chose to make comments against both Obama and democrats not think that we have taken in the information presented to us and formed our own opinions based on what we know? Are they to believe that negative articles and media reports stated as &quot;fact&quot; are, indeed always factual? Hence, the devisiveness that made this election such a standout. I&#039;ve voted in 10 presidential elections now and have never seen one quite like this. It was NOT pretty. 

Ari&#039;s points are all well taken, even if I don&#039;t agree with all of them. Reading the comments solidify just who a lot of his audience is. Likeminded people who are thrilled to be able to take one more jab at the democrats. At this point, it comes off as sour grapes. At least there was no screaming. Instead of complaining about fraud (of which there is neither proof nor contest) why not join together to try and make this a better nation. Our image and economy are battered and bruised, and our people are fighting with one another over who SHOULD have won? Perhaps some of you should go back and read Ari&#039;s article over again. He&#039;s more well informed than the majority of us and he managed to balance the majority of his article. Why not so many of you? 

As Ari states, there&#039;s no denying that the black vote had something to do with Obama&#039;s win in Indiana, but by stating this, does that hint that this is not ok?
Are black people not entitled to vote someone of the same race into office? Granted, hopefully that would not be the ONLY reason. You&#039;re either a qualified candidate or you&#039;re not. How, or why black people in Indiana voted, I don&#039;t know. I firmly believe that Obama will do just fine. He&#039;ll surround himself with qualified people and attempt to move this great country back in the right direction. Why have so little faith in someone before they have a chance? He&#039;ll be leading this country for at least the next four years so an attitude adjustment might be in order. 
 
In Ari&#039;s article, the idea that &quot;people seemed to vote their pocketbooks again in 2008 — which meant voting out the party in executive power, even if the congressional Democrats shared some of the blame, if not the majority&quot; is contentious. I DO agree with the first part, because that&#039;s what most of the country is worried about. How could they/we not be...but that&#039;s negating the fact that there were many other issues and platforms besides the economy that share the stage. Abortion, gun control, choice (on several issues), gay marriage, the war and the list goes on.
It wasn&#039;t JUST the economy. The McCain/Palin ticket began to fail. Who knows why? That will be analyzed for years to come, but....their campaign proved itself to be desparate as election day drew near, and I personally feel they partially lost ground because of it. Palin&#039;s inability to grasp the scope of being the second in command in the U.S. also helped bring them to their knees. I feel that Republicans saw a female candidate making history after Hillary was knocked out of the picture. Others saw a woman who wasn&#039;t well informed and not yet qualified for a job of this loftiness. She was simply out of her element.  

Perhaps that was what helped drive Indiana to vote Blue, but that&#039;s not what was totally responsible for Obama&#039;s overwhelming electoral win nationwide any more than congressional democrats sharing some of the blame, if not the majority. Of course the blame, if that&#039;s the right word, is to be shared. Equally, I would guess. 

Thankfully, &quot;Radical_Moderate&quot; is more on target for my taste. Do Republicans really think that ALL of us who voted for Obama are uninformed? Or do you think that we actually believed so many made up &quot;facts&quot; about Obama which were so frivolously tossed about by the right in an attempt to dissuade voters? I, too, think that Obama will govern from a balanced point of moderation without backing down from the challenges that he knows will face him. Let&#039;s face facts, McCain is not, nor will he ever be President, so persisting in looking for answers as to why he lost if futile. Let&#039;s leave that to the historians (of which I&#039;m sure that Ari Kaufman WILl be one of them. HE is destined for greatness as well....even if we share a different political persuasion!). 

Bonding together as a nation, instead of fighting our new administration will do no one any good. 

Welcome to the blue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always find Ari Kaufman&#8217;s articles extremely well thought out, researched and well said. He leaves no thoughts trailing off into the distance and his writing always forces me to comment. This article is no exception. This was a well balanced piece for the most part and I find the responses interesting as well. Hence, my comments.</p>
<p>The vast majority of the respondents are Republican and almost all share the same view. The thread of thought seems to overwhelmingly think of democrats as ignorant idiots. Do those of you who chose to make comments against both Obama and democrats not think that we have taken in the information presented to us and formed our own opinions based on what we know? Are they to believe that negative articles and media reports stated as &#8220;fact&#8221; are, indeed always factual? Hence, the devisiveness that made this election such a standout. I&#8217;ve voted in 10 presidential elections now and have never seen one quite like this. It was NOT pretty. </p>
<p>Ari&#8217;s points are all well taken, even if I don&#8217;t agree with all of them. Reading the comments solidify just who a lot of his audience is. Likeminded people who are thrilled to be able to take one more jab at the democrats. At this point, it comes off as sour grapes. At least there was no screaming. Instead of complaining about fraud (of which there is neither proof nor contest) why not join together to try and make this a better nation. Our image and economy are battered and bruised, and our people are fighting with one another over who SHOULD have won? Perhaps some of you should go back and read Ari&#8217;s article over again. He&#8217;s more well informed than the majority of us and he managed to balance the majority of his article. Why not so many of you? </p>
<p>As Ari states, there&#8217;s no denying that the black vote had something to do with Obama&#8217;s win in Indiana, but by stating this, does that hint that this is not ok?<br />
Are black people not entitled to vote someone of the same race into office? Granted, hopefully that would not be the ONLY reason. You&#8217;re either a qualified candidate or you&#8217;re not. How, or why black people in Indiana voted, I don&#8217;t know. I firmly believe that Obama will do just fine. He&#8217;ll surround himself with qualified people and attempt to move this great country back in the right direction. Why have so little faith in someone before they have a chance? He&#8217;ll be leading this country for at least the next four years so an attitude adjustment might be in order. </p>
<p>In Ari&#8217;s article, the idea that &#8220;people seemed to vote their pocketbooks again in 2008 — which meant voting out the party in executive power, even if the congressional Democrats shared some of the blame, if not the majority&#8221; is contentious. I DO agree with the first part, because that&#8217;s what most of the country is worried about. How could they/we not be&#8230;but that&#8217;s negating the fact that there were many other issues and platforms besides the economy that share the stage. Abortion, gun control, choice (on several issues), gay marriage, the war and the list goes on.<br />
It wasn&#8217;t JUST the economy. The McCain/Palin ticket began to fail. Who knows why? That will be analyzed for years to come, but&#8230;.their campaign proved itself to be desparate as election day drew near, and I personally feel they partially lost ground because of it. Palin&#8217;s inability to grasp the scope of being the second in command in the U.S. also helped bring them to their knees. I feel that Republicans saw a female candidate making history after Hillary was knocked out of the picture. Others saw a woman who wasn&#8217;t well informed and not yet qualified for a job of this loftiness. She was simply out of her element.  </p>
<p>Perhaps that was what helped drive Indiana to vote Blue, but that&#8217;s not what was totally responsible for Obama&#8217;s overwhelming electoral win nationwide any more than congressional democrats sharing some of the blame, if not the majority. Of course the blame, if that&#8217;s the right word, is to be shared. Equally, I would guess. </p>
<p>Thankfully, &#8220;Radical_Moderate&#8221; is more on target for my taste. Do Republicans really think that ALL of us who voted for Obama are uninformed? Or do you think that we actually believed so many made up &#8220;facts&#8221; about Obama which were so frivolously tossed about by the right in an attempt to dissuade voters? I, too, think that Obama will govern from a balanced point of moderation without backing down from the challenges that he knows will face him. Let&#8217;s face facts, McCain is not, nor will he ever be President, so persisting in looking for answers as to why he lost if futile. Let&#8217;s leave that to the historians (of which I&#8217;m sure that Ari Kaufman WILl be one of them. HE is destined for greatness as well&#8230;.even if we share a different political persuasion!). </p>
<p>Bonding together as a nation, instead of fighting our new administration will do no one any good. </p>
<p>Welcome to the blue.</p>
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		<title>By: nick</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/how-obama-turned-indiana-blue/comment-page-2/#comment-148273</link>
		<dc:creator>nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but im wasted time with you losers

we won 

bye</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but im wasted time with you losers</p>
<p>we won </p>
<p>bye</p>
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		<title>By: nick</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/how-obama-turned-indiana-blue/comment-page-2/#comment-148226</link>
		<dc:creator>nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 19:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UNLIKE FLORIDA

with the margins,  any voter fraud didnt tip the vote!

DUH !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UNLIKE FLORIDA</p>
<p>with the margins,  any voter fraud didnt tip the vote!</p>
<p>DUH !</p>
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		<title>By: PeterH</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/how-obama-turned-indiana-blue/comment-page-2/#comment-148110</link>
		<dc:creator>PeterH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It occurs to me that the Dems could forever paint all of America blue, if they improved the education system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It occurs to me that the Dems could forever paint all of America blue, if they improved the education system.</p>
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		<title>By: Emma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 12:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t tell me to get off the voter fraud, I had to hear the Dems yammer on about it for 8 years, I&#039;ll point it out if I like.  Cheesehead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t tell me to get off the voter fraud, I had to hear the Dems yammer on about it for 8 years, I&#8217;ll point it out if I like.  Cheesehead.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheesehead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheesehead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 01:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh puleeze, will everyone get off the voter fraud, bought the election, stupid american electorate crap and start acting like adults. You&#039;re sounding like the Dems after 04.

What pushed Obama over the top in IN was Bob Barr, who took just over 1% away from McCain.

If the GOP doesn&#039;t get it&#039;s collective head out of it&#039;s collective rear and stop acting like a bunch of whiny spoiled brats, you&#039;re gonna get spanked again in 2012.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh puleeze, will everyone get off the voter fraud, bought the election, stupid american electorate crap and start acting like adults. You&#8217;re sounding like the Dems after 04.</p>
<p>What pushed Obama over the top in IN was Bob Barr, who took just over 1% away from McCain.</p>
<p>If the GOP doesn&#8217;t get it&#8217;s collective head out of it&#8217;s collective rear and stop acting like a bunch of whiny spoiled brats, you&#8217;re gonna get spanked again in 2012.</p>
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