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	<title>Comments on: How Saving the Polar Bears Endangers the Rhinos</title>
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		<title>By: robotech master</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/how-saving-the-polar-bears-endangers-the-rhinos/comment-page-1/#comment-47592</link>
		<dc:creator>robotech master</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 00:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As with the other &quot;cheap oil&quot; story.... soon if you try to drill in the ocean they will ban that because your endangering some kind of fish, bird, mammal, etc.... which is why oil speculation is through the Fing roof because anyone with a brain can see that they is a huge well funded machine whose sole purpose is to stop oil in all forms.... everyone can see it most of all the speculators.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As with the other &#8220;cheap oil&#8221; story&#8230;. soon if you try to drill in the ocean they will ban that because your endangering some kind of fish, bird, mammal, etc&#8230;. which is why oil speculation is through the Fing roof because anyone with a brain can see that they is a huge well funded machine whose sole purpose is to stop oil in all forms&#8230;. everyone can see it most of all the speculators.</p>
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		<title>By: CaptDMO</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/how-saving-the-polar-bears-endangers-the-rhinos/comment-page-1/#comment-47543</link>
		<dc:creator>CaptDMO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 23:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yes, &quot;protecting&quot; Polar Bears. They&#039;ve been a steadily growing population for quite a while now. What happened to the caribou extinction promised by the socialist dupes
protesting the Alaska pipeline?
 
I call BS. &quot;protecting&quot; ANY species in oil rich areas is a LIE to bureaucratically obstruct further resource development, SPECIFICALLY crude oil extraction from 
proved deposits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yes, &#8220;protecting&#8221; Polar Bears. They&#8217;ve been a steadily growing population for quite a while now. What happened to the caribou extinction promised by the socialist dupes<br />
protesting the Alaska pipeline?</p>
<p>I call BS. &#8220;protecting&#8221; ANY species in oil rich areas is a LIE to bureaucratically obstruct further resource development, SPECIFICALLY crude oil extraction from<br />
proved deposits.</p>
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		<title>By: CaptDMO</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/how-saving-the-polar-bears-endangers-the-rhinos/comment-page-1/#comment-47539</link>
		<dc:creator>CaptDMO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 23:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liquid fuel?
Processed coal and natural gas?
Hmmmm...the US and Canada could rule the world!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liquid fuel?<br />
Processed coal and natural gas?<br />
Hmmmm&#8230;the US and Canada could rule the world!</p>
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		<title>By: robotech master</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/how-saving-the-polar-bears-endangers-the-rhinos/comment-page-1/#comment-47537</link>
		<dc:creator>robotech master</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 23:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgive spelling etc,etc going to try to break it down quickly.

Global warming nuts have been using the polar bear for years as kind of a mascot of the &quot;dangers&quot; of global warming and how the poor poor polar bears are going to die out blab blah blah. They have been pushing to put the polar bear on the endangered species list for awhile. The main ideas behind this are two fold...

First it would add layers and layers of red tape, government oversight, government control on any polar habitat. If this is done a international push could be then made... and if reasonable successful they can expand all of the above to the UN. By doing this they can then lobby and enforce anti-global warming measures through both. Plus if the UN drive is successful the UN could be given complete control of the north pole and huge powers to stop global warming across the rest of the world.    

Second is granting huge amounts of power to eco groups by letting them sue both the government and companies very quickly and successfully... it would also let them demand injunctions on a massive scale so even if they were to lose cases they could delay and cost the companies great deals of money. Also by causing huge delays from injunctions they can hope to get new laws from both the US or from the UN as well as try to put public pressure to what would likely be the evil oil companies or some other evil group that they don&#039;t like and very effectively beat them with the public stick. 


The problems come amass in how stupid it is. First the polar bear has been around for at least 10k years... which means even if global warming is real its pretty much zero threat because during the medieval warming period the polar bears lived and that was much warmer then the IPCC and even many of the most crazied global warming nuts predict the temps will reach for at least 100-200 years. 
So even at global warming&#039;s worse the polar bear via history shouldn&#039;t be heavily effected. Add in that polar bears are at the highest recorded pop since pretty much they started tracking their numbers and are expected to either be stable or keep growing. 

Its a cheap and dishonest tactic to try to give the government/s more control over the ppl in the name of eco-fascism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgive spelling etc,etc going to try to break it down quickly.</p>
<p>Global warming nuts have been using the polar bear for years as kind of a mascot of the &#8220;dangers&#8221; of global warming and how the poor poor polar bears are going to die out blab blah blah. They have been pushing to put the polar bear on the endangered species list for awhile. The main ideas behind this are two fold&#8230;</p>
<p>First it would add layers and layers of red tape, government oversight, government control on any polar habitat. If this is done a international push could be then made&#8230; and if reasonable successful they can expand all of the above to the UN. By doing this they can then lobby and enforce anti-global warming measures through both. Plus if the UN drive is successful the UN could be given complete control of the north pole and huge powers to stop global warming across the rest of the world.    </p>
<p>Second is granting huge amounts of power to eco groups by letting them sue both the government and companies very quickly and successfully&#8230; it would also let them demand injunctions on a massive scale so even if they were to lose cases they could delay and cost the companies great deals of money. Also by causing huge delays from injunctions they can hope to get new laws from both the US or from the UN as well as try to put public pressure to what would likely be the evil oil companies or some other evil group that they don&#8217;t like and very effectively beat them with the public stick. </p>
<p>The problems come amass in how stupid it is. First the polar bear has been around for at least 10k years&#8230; which means even if global warming is real its pretty much zero threat because during the medieval warming period the polar bears lived and that was much warmer then the IPCC and even many of the most crazied global warming nuts predict the temps will reach for at least 100-200 years.<br />
So even at global warming&#8217;s worse the polar bear via history shouldn&#8217;t be heavily effected. Add in that polar bears are at the highest recorded pop since pretty much they started tracking their numbers and are expected to either be stable or keep growing. </p>
<p>Its a cheap and dishonest tactic to try to give the government/s more control over the ppl in the name of eco-fascism.</p>
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		<title>By: robotech master</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/how-saving-the-polar-bears-endangers-the-rhinos/comment-page-1/#comment-47536</link>
		<dc:creator>robotech master</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 23:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgive spelling etc,etc going to try to break it down quickly.

Global warming nuts have been using the polar bear for years as kind of a mascot of the &quot;dangers&quot; of global warming and how the poor poor polar bears are going to die out blab blah blah. They have been pushing to put the polar bear on the endangered species list for awhile. The main ideas behind this are two fold...

First it would add layers and layers of red tape, government oversight, government control on any polar habitat. If this is done a international push could be then made... and if reasonable successful they can expand all of the above to the UN. By doing this they can then lobby and enforce anti-global warming measures through both. Plus if the UN drive is successful the UN could be given complete control of the north pole and huge powers to stop global warming across the rest of the world.    

Second is granting huge amounts of power to eco groups by letting them sue both the government and companies very quickly and successfully... it would also let them demand injunctions on a massive scale so even if they were to lose cases they could delay and cost the companies great deals of money. Also by causing huge delays from injunctions they can hope to get new laws from both the US or from the UN as well as try to put public pressure to what would likely be the evil oil companies or some other evil group that they don&#039;t like and very effectively beat them with the public stick. 


The problems come amass in how stupid it is. First the polar bear has been around for at least 10k years... which means even if global warming is real its pretty much zero threat because during the medieval warming period the polar bears lived and that was much warmer then the IPCC and even many of the most crazied global warming nuts predict the temps will reach for at least 100-200 years. 
So even at global warming&#039;s worse the polar bear via history shouldn&#039;t be heavily effected. Add in that polar bears are at the highest recorded pop since pretty much they started tracking their numbers and are expected to either be stable or keep growing. 

Its a cheap and dishonest tactics to try to give the government/s more control over the ppl in the name of eco-fascism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgive spelling etc,etc going to try to break it down quickly.</p>
<p>Global warming nuts have been using the polar bear for years as kind of a mascot of the &#8220;dangers&#8221; of global warming and how the poor poor polar bears are going to die out blab blah blah. They have been pushing to put the polar bear on the endangered species list for awhile. The main ideas behind this are two fold&#8230;</p>
<p>First it would add layers and layers of red tape, government oversight, government control on any polar habitat. If this is done a international push could be then made&#8230; and if reasonable successful they can expand all of the above to the UN. By doing this they can then lobby and enforce anti-global warming measures through both. Plus if the UN drive is successful the UN could be given complete control of the north pole and huge powers to stop global warming across the rest of the world.    </p>
<p>Second is granting huge amounts of power to eco groups by letting them sue both the government and companies very quickly and successfully&#8230; it would also let them demand injunctions on a massive scale so even if they were to lose cases they could delay and cost the companies great deals of money. Also by causing huge delays from injunctions they can hope to get new laws from both the US or from the UN as well as try to put public pressure to what would likely be the evil oil companies or some other evil group that they don&#8217;t like and very effectively beat them with the public stick. </p>
<p>The problems come amass in how stupid it is. First the polar bear has been around for at least 10k years&#8230; which means even if global warming is real its pretty much zero threat because during the medieval warming period the polar bears lived and that was much warmer then the IPCC and even many of the most crazied global warming nuts predict the temps will reach for at least 100-200 years.<br />
So even at global warming&#8217;s worse the polar bear via history shouldn&#8217;t be heavily effected. Add in that polar bears are at the highest recorded pop since pretty much they started tracking their numbers and are expected to either be stable or keep growing. </p>
<p>Its a cheap and dishonest tactics to try to give the government/s more control over the ppl in the name of eco-fascism.</p>
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		<title>By: freetoken</title>
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		<dc:creator>freetoken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 19:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Continuing my rant from the &quot;Who Murdered Cheap Oil&quot; entry...

World demand for liquid fuels keeps increasing.   This is what is driving the development of biofuels.   Again, it is not due to an effort to reduce CO2 production that is driving biofuels worldwide.   That a few environmentalists has attached themselves to the concept of biofuels *late in the game* will not significantly encourage more biofuel production than the market is already demanding.

Today the IEA came out their lates Oil Market Report (http://omrpublic.iea.org/ ) in which they show April demand for &quot;oil&quot; (their term, which more accurately should be called &quot;all liquids&quot;, because they include biofuels) to have pushed to a new record, well above 88 million barrels per day, while the average first quarter supply was just over 87 million barrels per day.

So, as long as demand keeps pushing up to new highs, and the supply is inadequate, there will be a force to produce new biofuels.

Finally, I missed the part about Polar Bears.    Was the term &quot;Polar Bears&quot; just thrown into the title as a throw-away, or did part of the essay get cut?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Continuing my rant from the &#8220;Who Murdered Cheap Oil&#8221; entry&#8230;</p>
<p>World demand for liquid fuels keeps increasing.   This is what is driving the development of biofuels.   Again, it is not due to an effort to reduce CO2 production that is driving biofuels worldwide.   That a few environmentalists has attached themselves to the concept of biofuels *late in the game* will not significantly encourage more biofuel production than the market is already demanding.</p>
<p>Today the IEA came out their lates Oil Market Report (<a href="http://omrpublic.iea.org/" rel="nofollow">http://omrpublic.iea.org/</a> ) in which they show April demand for &#8220;oil&#8221; (their term, which more accurately should be called &#8220;all liquids&#8221;, because they include biofuels) to have pushed to a new record, well above 88 million barrels per day, while the average first quarter supply was just over 87 million barrels per day.</p>
<p>So, as long as demand keeps pushing up to new highs, and the supply is inadequate, there will be a force to produce new biofuels.</p>
<p>Finally, I missed the part about Polar Bears.    Was the term &#8220;Polar Bears&#8221; just thrown into the title as a throw-away, or did part of the essay get cut?</p>
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		<title>By: jerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 14:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Biofuels cannot possibly be carbon neutral.  The raw material must be cultivated, transported, processed and the final product distributed.  All this takes energy over and above the amount generated by the biomass itself.  Carbon neutrality only happens when natural uncultivated plant life burns in situ.  

Biofuel carbon neutrality is the modern equivalent of the perpetual motion machine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Biofuels cannot possibly be carbon neutral.  The raw material must be cultivated, transported, processed and the final product distributed.  All this takes energy over and above the amount generated by the biomass itself.  Carbon neutrality only happens when natural uncultivated plant life burns in situ.  </p>
<p>Biofuel carbon neutrality is the modern equivalent of the perpetual motion machine.</p>
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