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		<title>By: RE</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/if_you_cant_figure_out_how_to/comment-page-1/#comment-21711</link>
		<dc:creator>RE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 00:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When in was in grade school and high  school  they had classes in &#039;civics&#039;.  You know - how US federal, state, and local government works, why there is such a thing as the electoral college, and why we are not a &#039;democracy&#039;,  but rather a federal republic -  and why  that is so much more equitable than a pure democracy.



If you answered on a test that Judiciary Branch makes the laws,  you would fail the class.



People used to understand little details like that,  but not so  much  anymore.






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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When in was in grade school and high  school  they had classes in &#8216;civics&#8217;.  You know &#8211; how US federal, state, and local government works, why there is such a thing as the electoral college, and why we are not a &#8216;democracy&#8217;,  but rather a federal republic &#8211;  and why  that is so much more equitable than a pure democracy.</p>
<p>If you answered on a test that Judiciary Branch makes the laws,  you would fail the class.</p>
<p>People used to understand little details like that,  but not so  much  anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkD</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 15:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The teacher&#039;s unions suport the Democrats.  Do you seriously expect your children to be taught how to weigh evidence and reach their own conclusions by someone with a vested interest in the current education business?  Why is &quot;more money for education&quot; the right answer, when paying more for the same car is stupidity?

Just ask your kids to look for disconfirming evidence.  Ask them who benefits and who pays.  It&#039;s an easy habit to instill and it lasts a lifetime.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The teacher&#8217;s unions suport the Democrats.  Do you seriously expect your children to be taught how to weigh evidence and reach their own conclusions by someone with a vested interest in the current education business?  Why is &#8220;more money for education&#8221; the right answer, when paying more for the same car is stupidity?</p>
<p>Just ask your kids to look for disconfirming evidence.  Ask them who benefits and who pays.  It&#8217;s an easy habit to instill and it lasts a lifetime.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Boriss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Boriss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 13:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>radtop, Why do we need a government institution to &quot;teach children how to live our lives productively?&quot;  Many government workers don&#039;t even know how to do that.  Once you do what your opponents have done, redefine what the public schools are for, you no longer have a firm argument, and have surrendered to those now using schools for their own purposes. Better to either fight for private competition in schools or alter curriculum so they do what they were intended to do: &quot;to enable every man to judge for himself what will secure or endanger his freedom&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>radtop, Why do we need a government institution to &#8220;teach children how to live our lives productively?&#8221;  Many government workers don&#8217;t even know how to do that.  Once you do what your opponents have done, redefine what the public schools are for, you no longer have a firm argument, and have surrendered to those now using schools for their own purposes. Better to either fight for private competition in schools or alter curriculum so they do what they were intended to do: &#8220;to enable every man to judge for himself what will secure or endanger his freedom&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: radtop</title>
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		<dc:creator>radtop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 09:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t need some illiterate telling me how I should teach my children. That includes teachers. In Portland, Oregon they go out of their way to try and indoctrinate our children in the marxist ideology of Howard Zinn. Contrary to Boriss, education is to teach children how to live their lives productively. Politics is a zero sum game that can never solve the problems of the human condition.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t need some illiterate telling me how I should teach my children. That includes teachers. In Portland, Oregon they go out of their way to try and indoctrinate our children in the marxist ideology of Howard Zinn. Contrary to Boriss, education is to teach children how to live their lives productively. Politics is a zero sum game that can never solve the problems of the human condition.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Boriss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Boriss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 19:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kejda &quot;The simple answer is, by leaving public education out of the political formation of students.&quot;

I&#039;d be very happy with Jefferson&#039;s system, where public education was only for those who could not afford a private one.  But now that we are stuck with this public system, the absence of this ideological content in the curriculum leaves a vacuum that is filled with liberal thought presented simply as &quot;the truth.&quot;  That&#039;s why so many Democrats, not to mention the mainstream media, think they are right and everyone else wrong, selfish, mean-spirited, and/or morally deficient.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kejda &#8220;The simple answer is, by leaving public education out of the political formation of students.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be very happy with Jefferson&#8217;s system, where public education was only for those who could not afford a private one.  But now that we are stuck with this public system, the absence of this ideological content in the curriculum leaves a vacuum that is filled with liberal thought presented simply as &#8220;the truth.&#8221;  That&#8217;s why so many Democrats, not to mention the mainstream media, think they are right and everyone else wrong, selfish, mean-spirited, and/or morally deficient.</p>
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		<title>By: David Thomson</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Thomson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 18:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We need to guilt trip our fellow citizens to take their responsibilities more serious.  They may have indeed been cheated during their years of formal education.  Nonetheless, what does that have to do with the present?  The vast majority of Americans can take advantage of the Internet, their public libraries, and educational TV networks.  There simply is no excuse for continued ignorance.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need to guilt trip our fellow citizens to take their responsibilities more serious.  They may have indeed been cheated during their years of formal education.  Nonetheless, what does that have to do with the present?  The vast majority of Americans can take advantage of the Internet, their public libraries, and educational TV networks.  There simply is no excuse for continued ignorance.</p>
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		<title>By: Kejda Gjermani</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kejda Gjermani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 18:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will give you a fragment by Karl Popper, and the analogy to this issue should be blatant:

&quot;The fundamental mistake made by the philosophical theory of the ultimate sources of our knowledge is that it does not distinguish clearly enough between questions of origin and questions of validity. In general we do not test the validity of an assertion or information by tracing its sources or its origin, but we test it, much more directly, by a critical examination of what has been asserted - of the asserted facts themselves.

Thus the empiricist&#039;s questions &#039;How do you know? What is the source of your assertion?&#039; are wrongly put. They are not formulated in an inexact or slovenly manner, but they are entirely misconceived: they are questions that beg for an authoritarian answer.

The traditional systems of epistemology may be said to result from yes-answers or no-answers to questions about the sources of our knowledge. They never challenge these questions or dispute their legitimacy; the questions are taken as perfectly natural, and nobody seems to see any harm in them.

This is quite interesting, for these questions are clearly authoritarian in spirit. They can be compared with that traditional question of political theory, &#039;Who should rule?&#039;, which begs for an authoritarian answer such as &#039;the best&#039;, or &#039;the wisest&#039;, or &#039;the people&#039;, or &#039;the majority&#039;. (It suggests, incidentally, such silly alternatives as &#039;Who should be our rulers: the capitalists or the workers?&#039;, analogous to &#039;What is the ultimate source of knowledge: the intellect or the senses?&#039;) This political question is wrongly put and the answers which it elicits are paradoxical [see selection 25 below]. It should be replaced by a completely different question such as How can we organize our political institutions so that bad or incompetent rulers (whom we should try not to get, but whom we so easily might get all the same) cannot do too much damage? I believe that only by changing our question in this way can we hope to proceed towards a reasonable theory of political institutions.

The question about the sources of our knowledge can be replaced in a similar way. It has always been asked in the spirit of: &#039;What are the best sources of our knowledge - the most reliable ones, those which will not lead us into error, and those to which we can and must turn, in case of doubt, as the last court of appeal?&#039; I propose to assume, instead, that no such ideal sources exist - no more than ideal rulers - and that all &#039;sources&#039; are liable to lead us into error at times. And I propose to replace, therefore, the question of the sources of our knowledge by the entirely different question: &#039;How can we hope to detect and eliminate error?&#039;

The question of the sources of our knowledge, like so many authoritarian questions, is a genetic one. It asks for the origin of our knowledge, in the belief that knowledge may legitimize itself by its pedigree. The nobility of the racially pure knowledge, the untainted knowledge, the knowledge which derives from the highest authority, if possible from God: these are the (often unconscious) metaphysical ideas behind the question. My modified question, &#039;How can we hope to detect error?&#039; may be said to derive from the view that such pure, untainted and certain sources do not exist, and that questions of origin or of purity should not be confounded with questions of validity, or of truth.&quot;

How can we then organize the educational system so that these authoritative sources of knowledge have as little ability as possible to indoctrinate students? The simple answer is, by leaving public education out of the political formation of students. You yourself in your rough definitions of the left and right have made, what I believe to be, some outrageous gaffes, and I wouldn&#039;t trust either you, or any public &quot;servant&quot; to impartially educate my children on such an important topic. Either the teacher might not know the material adequately to teach it, or s/he may be biased, or s/he may have an agenda.

Same thing with sexual education: the teacher may not know, or may have a bitter experience/opinion of sexuality, or may be a pervert. These things should be left to the family to teach children.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will give you a fragment by Karl Popper, and the analogy to this issue should be blatant:</p>
<p>&#8220;The fundamental mistake made by the philosophical theory of the ultimate sources of our knowledge is that it does not distinguish clearly enough between questions of origin and questions of validity. In general we do not test the validity of an assertion or information by tracing its sources or its origin, but we test it, much more directly, by a critical examination of what has been asserted &#8211; of the asserted facts themselves.</p>
<p>Thus the empiricist&#8217;s questions &#8216;How do you know? What is the source of your assertion?&#8217; are wrongly put. They are not formulated in an inexact or slovenly manner, but they are entirely misconceived: they are questions that beg for an authoritarian answer.</p>
<p>The traditional systems of epistemology may be said to result from yes-answers or no-answers to questions about the sources of our knowledge. They never challenge these questions or dispute their legitimacy; the questions are taken as perfectly natural, and nobody seems to see any harm in them.</p>
<p>This is quite interesting, for these questions are clearly authoritarian in spirit. They can be compared with that traditional question of political theory, &#8216;Who should rule?&#8217;, which begs for an authoritarian answer such as &#8216;the best&#8217;, or &#8216;the wisest&#8217;, or &#8216;the people&#8217;, or &#8216;the majority&#8217;. (It suggests, incidentally, such silly alternatives as &#8216;Who should be our rulers: the capitalists or the workers?&#8217;, analogous to &#8216;What is the ultimate source of knowledge: the intellect or the senses?&#8217;) This political question is wrongly put and the answers which it elicits are paradoxical [see selection 25 below]. It should be replaced by a completely different question such as How can we organize our political institutions so that bad or incompetent rulers (whom we should try not to get, but whom we so easily might get all the same) cannot do too much damage? I believe that only by changing our question in this way can we hope to proceed towards a reasonable theory of political institutions.</p>
<p>The question about the sources of our knowledge can be replaced in a similar way. It has always been asked in the spirit of: &#8216;What are the best sources of our knowledge &#8211; the most reliable ones, those which will not lead us into error, and those to which we can and must turn, in case of doubt, as the last court of appeal?&#8217; I propose to assume, instead, that no such ideal sources exist &#8211; no more than ideal rulers &#8211; and that all &#8217;sources&#8217; are liable to lead us into error at times. And I propose to replace, therefore, the question of the sources of our knowledge by the entirely different question: &#8216;How can we hope to detect and eliminate error?&#8217;</p>
<p>The question of the sources of our knowledge, like so many authoritarian questions, is a genetic one. It asks for the origin of our knowledge, in the belief that knowledge may legitimize itself by its pedigree. The nobility of the racially pure knowledge, the untainted knowledge, the knowledge which derives from the highest authority, if possible from God: these are the (often unconscious) metaphysical ideas behind the question. My modified question, &#8216;How can we hope to detect error?&#8217; may be said to derive from the view that such pure, untainted and certain sources do not exist, and that questions of origin or of purity should not be confounded with questions of validity, or of truth.&#8221;</p>
<p>How can we then organize the educational system so that these authoritative sources of knowledge have as little ability as possible to indoctrinate students? The simple answer is, by leaving public education out of the political formation of students. You yourself in your rough definitions of the left and right have made, what I believe to be, some outrageous gaffes, and I wouldn&#8217;t trust either you, or any public &#8220;servant&#8221; to impartially educate my children on such an important topic. Either the teacher might not know the material adequately to teach it, or s/he may be biased, or s/he may have an agenda.</p>
<p>Same thing with sexual education: the teacher may not know, or may have a bitter experience/opinion of sexuality, or may be a pervert. These things should be left to the family to teach children.</p>
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		<title>By: steve bourg</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 17:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SBorris: You make excellent points about blaming teachers.  This is true.  I disagree with your definition of Left/Lib vs Right/Conserv....because although it&#039;s true theoretically in some textbook def, it&#039;s not true for the last X decades of increasing government interference......taking huge fractions of our paychecks in what&#039;s supposed to be our dynamic, capitalist economy.  The current Left/Libs want a further slide towards European semi-socialism and I&#039;m not talking about govt takeover of businesses, so much as infinite entitlement programs.  Teachers and the MSM are both to blame for not educating our people better.....they keep our hoi-polloi in an ignorant tunnel vision without good reference points.  Your points on energy policy are terrific.  Equally or more imp would be to teach about capitalism more thoroughly -- there&#039;s a point when world competition will eat us alive if our govt taxes and regulates us to death.  We don&#039;t currently have a &quot;tech boom&quot; advantage as we had in the &#039;90s, so we&#039;re toast if a Lib wins the White House.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SBorris: You make excellent points about blaming teachers.  This is true.  I disagree with your definition of Left/Lib vs Right/Conserv&#8230;.because although it&#8217;s true theoretically in some textbook def, it&#8217;s not true for the last X decades of increasing government interference&#8230;&#8230;taking huge fractions of our paychecks in what&#8217;s supposed to be our dynamic, capitalist economy.  The current Left/Libs want a further slide towards European semi-socialism and I&#8217;m not talking about govt takeover of businesses, so much as infinite entitlement programs.  Teachers and the MSM are both to blame for not educating our people better&#8230;..they keep our hoi-polloi in an ignorant tunnel vision without good reference points.  Your points on energy policy are terrific.  Equally or more imp would be to teach about capitalism more thoroughly &#8212; there&#8217;s a point when world competition will eat us alive if our govt taxes and regulates us to death.  We don&#8217;t currently have a &#8220;tech boom&#8221; advantage as we had in the &#8217;90s, so we&#8217;re toast if a Lib wins the White House.</p>
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		<title>By: John Moore</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 17:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given the preponderance of left wing teachers, and the idea on the left that pushing their goals trumps the goals of objectivity (see &quot;citizen journalism&quot; for an example), I&#039;d rather the teachers avoided ideology and politics in general.

Instead, they put it into everything - even math books have to be politically correct (read: leftish correct). American herstory has become a story of oppression, and the success and contributions *only* of the oppressed (women, blacks - err... African Americans, Indians...- err, Native Americans, etc).

The failure of political education in America is due both to the ideological persuasion of teachers and the educational elite, and the general incompetence of both.




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given the preponderance of left wing teachers, and the idea on the left that pushing their goals trumps the goals of objectivity (see &#8220;citizen journalism&#8221; for an example), I&#8217;d rather the teachers avoided ideology and politics in general.</p>
<p>Instead, they put it into everything &#8211; even math books have to be politically correct (read: leftish correct). American herstory has become a story of oppression, and the success and contributions *only* of the oppressed (women, blacks &#8211; err&#8230; African Americans, Indians&#8230;- err, Native Americans, etc).</p>
<p>The failure of political education in America is due both to the ideological persuasion of teachers and the educational elite, and the general incompetence of both.</p>
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		<title>By: sharinlite</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 16:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We must remember to thank those &quot;travellers&quot; of the l920-50&#039;s and the chemi-heads of the 60&#039;s who were so high they actually were in an alternate reality.  A reality they never got out of and so screwed up the country big time!!
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