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1. Pragmatist:

The cry of Racism is the last resort of the Charlatan and is used by left wing ‘libtards’ and Blacks to gain Political, Educational and Job advantages over silly guilt filled ‘Whitey’ . Forget the fact that the Democrats were the party of Slavery and Blacks and Muslims were slaving in Africa HUNDREDS of years before the first white man set foot there and they were the ones who collected and sold slaves in Africa and STILL do. Oh no its all ‘Whiteys’ fault and ‘Whiteys’ guilt nothing to do with them at all . The HYPOCRITES.

Aug 22, 2009 - 2:56 am 2. logdon:

Carol, I am British and like many applaud your stance.

And, like many, now incuding your good self have also been accused of racism. Time after time my so called liberal friends have hurled the abuse until faced by the snide barrages of this bigotted institutionalised hypocrisy, I dumped them.

Having always been of the left my initial angst and dismay was replaced by a complete detestation of these sheep lead by malign entities into polarised stances where logic and freedom of speech took second place to pre-ordained positions of hatred towards all opposition.

Well f*ck ‘em, I say. Let them continue without me, I want no part of this malign idiocy.

The last one to be peeled off the Christmas card list had actually started to wear a Hamas badge and for me that was it. I called him an anti semite, he flew into an apoplectic rage as if any suggestion of such abhorent thought was a hanging offence and suddenly rational argument descended into their terms semantics.

What is it with the left and Islam?

Aug 22, 2009 - 3:14 am 3. 888:

If you don’t agree with Obama and the proposed programs the Democrats are trying to ram down our throats, you’re labeled a racist.

Arrogant, elitist lefties like Sean Penn, Madonna, Maher, Pelosi, Reid and Michael Moore likened Bush to Hitler and Obama followers labeled Bush evil, out of touch, stupid.

Now, 7 months into Obama’s presidency, and the tide’s turning. The conservatives do not have to resort to bashing Obama, for the American people are finally believing what was reported by conservative bloggers and Foxnews about Obama and his agenda. And the people are seeing the true colors of the likes of Obama, Pelosi, Boxer, Reid, Dodd, Biden, Barney Frank and turncoats like Arlen Spector. The people are seeing that these individuals do not represent the hard work ethic and family values of the majority of Americans. These individuals are all about SELF interests only. Let’s not allow them to destroy our great country.

Aug 22, 2009 - 3:16 am 4. meep:

Ah, the boy who cried “racism”!

When it’s used for situations that have nothing to do with race, the power of the term diminishes.

I’m still not sure how that term works with the soccer hooligans…. if being a soccer hooligan is to belong to a particular “race”, I fear the number of races to keep up with must be astronomical.

Aug 22, 2009 - 3:33 am 5. Adina Kutnicki,Israel:

Carol, while I usually appreciate your slant on current issues this time you took the wrong tack.

Here’s why. One of the goals of the so called progressive liberal movement is to make everyone and his mother feel ‘guilty’ about race.After all, a ‘guilty’ person is more pliable and defensive. Further, their tactics are all the more outlandish since these miscreants are reactionary to their cores, certainly NOT progressive in the essence of the word.

In any case, you fell right into their trap. Instead of listing your non-racist bonafides, it would have behooved you to point out their hypocrisy, not your fealty to their bogeyman cause.

By placing them on the defensive instead of yourself, you would have turned the tables,thus demonstrating their hypocrisy. Consequently, there would have been no reason to trot out your own inherent non-bias.

Aug 22, 2009 - 4:18 am 6. John "birther" Samford:

Most people don’t even know what the word means. I often see racist used where bigot would be correct. I write it off to Socialists trying to win the debate by changing the language. Sort of a verbal ‘moving the goalposts’.

Aug 22, 2009 - 4:32 am 7. tommy gunn:

Seems like you are allowing the opnion of others to crowd out the truth as to your real views. However you chose to live in the UK so what do you expect? Tolerance?

Since you have written books on the subject you most likely already know that the Brits are some of the most ignorant people on earth. This is mostly the work of the media which is 100% liberal. When you are worshipping the global warming gods, whining about the EU, supporting the nanny state, letting your values go down the tubes, and immigrants to invade your country, and finally turning your streets over to thugs and yobs, gosh you end up with some mean spirited people.

Go home

tommy gunn

Aug 22, 2009 - 4:33 am 8. Gary Bachlund:

Dear Ms. Gould,

Of course you are a racist. You think in racial terms. You even lightly and happily conclude using said “racist” that France, a nation, might somehow be racist for not having a proper newsperson of a specific race. Race. Race. Race.

And yet in science and the taxonomy of species, there is no such thing as race. It is just a political word, as used when the Nazis said Jews were a “race.” Now ostensibly “Palestinians” are a race? Gee whiz, what race is you dog? Or cat? Or hamster?

The use of the notion of race as a central feature of the modern discourse shows too many people to use — and extract livelihood — from the race industry, as it is called today. It is merely become a cudgel to batter the other guy.

Searching the scientific literature, one finds little support for this old yet new pejorative, which changes its “meme” spots every few years. Which race is better? None. Or is that also being racist.

When an American president can write “typical white person” and a article writer such as yourself complain when “racist” is used against you, a hurt liberal whose parents did not raise you for this, then “race” is the dominant meme. The overarching comment. The ham-handed pejorative. Better to give up the unfounded notion of race, and dream with Dr. King of that color-blind society. In my version of the dream, people stop using the notion of race as a way of measuring individuals.

Until then, everyone who likes to use the concept can call someone else “racist,” and in doing so probably prove their own “racism” as well. Funny how the worm turns, isn’t it?

The word means so little anymore. Perhaps that’s why you’re upset after all. Because the definition has become so broad that we all are racists now? Now THAT’S critical thinking.

Persevere.

Gary Bachlund

Aug 22, 2009 - 5:23 am 9. SGT Ted:

Europeans have no business criticizing the USA for racism. Many are bigots to the core. European fans act today like US baseball fans in the 1940s during baseballs integration. Europe needs to look to its own bigotted house before they come crying about “racism” here. Then again, they are also using the “racist” charge to shut you up for disagreeing with them, as leftists always do.

Aug 22, 2009 - 5:52 am 10. AThinkingPerson:

I am immune to being called a racist. The term has lost all of it’s meaning at the hands of the liberals that continue to use it with abandon.

I expect we’ll see them arrive here shortly to show us just how easily it rolls off their tongues. Of course it is interesting to note that they will start their “racist” litany with “you people” which is in effect, exactly what a racist does. Enjoy the show. I surely will.

Aug 22, 2009 - 6:02 am 11. Pelaut:

You hope “public discourse in the United States does not become as ugly”? But it will — at least the ‘discourse’.

The Demogoguic party has no other recourse. And Europe, really rife with racism itself, will mimic the U.S. MSM and blow it all out of proportion. Case of the pot calling the kettle black.

My wife and I, a mixed race couple, recently spent many months traveling throughout the American south, where I grew up. My wife and I both found the South virutally free of racism. Yet you wouldn’t know that from the press.

I lived in Europe 10 years, working in all EU countries where I saw racial and inter-sect hatreds seethe everywhere.

The Obama totalitarian gang will turn on the race sluice when they perceive failure coming. That may drown us all in racial animosities worse even than Europe.

Aug 22, 2009 - 6:03 am 12. LeighB:

I wonder if the term “racist” is used so much because we have become immune to the impact of many other epithets. Many people, like the author, have led lives fighting to have dignity and respect extended to everyone.

I learned so much from the civil rights movement and am reminded of “it isn’t what they call you, it’s what you answer to”. Because of my lack of support for the current President’s policies I may well be considered racist by some of my friends. Yet I know that my private actions, over decades, are not consistent with the term.

We have more work to do on this issue and I hope the name calling does not result in more people sitting on the sidelines or backing away from helping when they can.

Aug 22, 2009 - 6:08 am 13. Bernard Chapin:

Thanks Carol, i enjoyed Don’t Tread on Me by the way.

Aug 22, 2009 - 6:28 am 14. Alex Bensky:

If “racist” had any meaning anymore, it wouldn’t be applied to the Arab-Israeli conflict (note I do not call it the Palestinian-Israeli conflict because that is not accurate) because Arabs are physically indistinguishable from a substantial portion of the Israeli populace.

When I am called a racist I politely tell my interlocutor that there is no point in continuing the discussion because I can’t argue with someone who uses a word that has no meaning. These days all it means is that the other person doesn’t like you or what you’re saying; nothing more.

It is regrettable that this has happened because there is genuine racism out there–including racism by people from approved minority groups–and it’s harder to identify and deal with it when the word is drained of any actual meaning.

Incidentally, someone who supports Hamas, a group that openly says it’s goal is to exterminate all Jews and not just Israeli, can fairly be termed an anti-Semite,or at least someone who is OK with anti-Semitism.

Aug 22, 2009 - 6:48 am 15. AThinkingPerson:

Re #11 Pelaut: “The Obama totalitarian gang will turn on the race sluice when they perceive failure coming.”

Unfortunately, they have already started. Note the part where Gov. Paterson claims Obama is the next in line to become a victim of his race.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2009/08/21/2009-08-21_gov_david_paterson_blames_call_for_.html

Aug 22, 2009 - 6:48 am 16. Jason S:

Anyone who wants to learn about race relations in America should read Shelby Steele’s White Guilt. Folks who fling accusations of racism around are, 95% of the time, only trying to buy themelves moral authority. It is a much more powerful tool than trying to argue on merit and quickly puts the accused on defense, trying to prove a negative. Those who still lob accusations of racism nowadays are primarily either lazy, ignorant, or both. And the leap these race baiters have to make to get from health care reform and racism should embarrass them and others who support the president. A few simple words by Barack Obama could put an end to this phenomenon, but I am beginning to believe he likes having the crutch to fall back on should he need it.

I didn’t vote for him, but I am an optimist and really hoped his election would help us bury the racial hatchet in this country. Not only has he not advanced racial harmony, he seems to revel in exacerbating the problem.

Aug 22, 2009 - 6:51 am 17. Papa Ray:

Carol should just resign herself to being a racist. It is a much more comfortable position once you get used to it. In fact it is becoming the most prevalent position in the world.

It actually means nothing anymore. Not even negative nor demeaning at this time in social discourse.

Being called a racist now is actually even better than being called a whore or pimp and those terms have lost their original meaning long ago.

Just get over it Carol.
Life will be much sweeter.

Papa Ray
West Texas

Aug 22, 2009 - 7:11 am 18. Sallie:

I am beyond the point of allowing the word “racist” to make me accept things I know are wrong.

The left uses the word to blame any failures or disagrrments on…nothing new..

Aug 22, 2009 - 7:14 am 19. Dave M.:

Carol, England is in its moral death rattle. Their outrage is reserved for the frivolous – football (soccer). Once one of the safest countries in the western world, it now is its most violent. “Rule Britannia” has been replaced by rue Brittannia. For some reason they are so ashamed of their past that they are surrendering their future. Thus, the only safe thing to be passionate about is their football because their self-loathing has made them distrust casting judgment on anything of real import. The once ruledr of the seas has quickly become a cultural backwater. The sun will soon set on the British Empire.

Also Carol, though I applaud your parents’ efforts on behalf of civil rights, I think you need to take a closer look at some of the unintended ramifications of that movement. One unintended consequence is that American blacks are not held to the same standards as others. And to hold them to such standards is considered “racist”. Thus, any criticism of a black person, no matter how legitimate, is rejoined by the “racist” chorus. This chorus, this indelible shield, far from liberating, has now become the new oppressor keeping a people from looking in the mirror of self-assessment which just might help them to fix their community’s many patholigies. Instead it’s everyone else’s fault because everyone else is a racist. So Carol, that is why you are a racist.

Aug 22, 2009 - 7:20 am 20. Jack:

I totally agree with the previous comments that the term “racist” has lost it’s meaning. The left and the media have diluted it to the point to where I’m going to start referring to everyone as racist. You know, instead of “dude” it will be “racist”.

Aug 22, 2009 - 7:23 am 21. Brian Richard Allen:

Great piece, Ms Gould, thank you.

As once-great Britain’s last intact politician, Brigadier-General The Right Honourable Enoch Powell, MBE, once observed, “Racist,” “homophobe,” “sexist,” and so on are the absolutely meaningless words that Lefties and other thick thugs use as assault weapons against those they envy and hate, with whose ideas they are incapable of competing and/or against whom they mindlessly rage.

Against everyone, that is.

And congratulations, Ms Gould, for being only the second person, after me, to note hereabouts that without the able assistance of South Africa’s Jewish population, including and perhaps especially that of Helen Gavronsky Suzman and her Progressive Federal Party, the Marxist terrorist, Mr Mandela, would either have renounced terrorism — or still be holidaying at Robin Island, where, for more than 20 years, he was an elective resident.

And Suid-Afrika would still be a nation of Law.

Oh …… and solvent.

Brian Richard Allen
Lost Angels – Califobambicated 90028
And the Far Abroad

Aug 22, 2009 - 7:31 am 22. james:

This is fine, but you waste too much time flashing your bona fides. That behavior is itself a direct result of forty years of racist liberals – who all send their kids to private schools and live in all-white neighborhoods – calling everyone else racist as a means to cut off conversation.
You should forget the whole thing. Ignore them, ignore it. And by the way, your parents have nothing to do with it. They could have raised you as anything and you might have turned out differently. The fact that they had nothing against blacks is irrelevent to you. However, would it be churlish of me to suspect that they perhaps had just a bit of a grievance against whites? After all, they were liberals.
In short, don’t explain yourself and don’t rise to the bait. No one cares any more what liberals say; we only care what they do. That’s bad enough.

Aug 22, 2009 - 7:45 am 23. Snorri Godhi:

Another typical Carol Gould column: describing the behavior of the wackiest subsets of British and AMERICAN people, and blaming the whole of EUROPE for it.

Aug 22, 2009 - 8:34 am 24. Moho:

When I read petulant tear-soaked whining like this, I really wonder what’s wrong with the people writing them. I know plenty of people who’ve been active in anti-war struggles for decades, they’re called anti-american, nazis, almost anything you can think of. I’ve never heard one of them complain about it. At least not like this, not like a teary fifteen year old girl who wore last year’s fashion to school.

One thing I do find interesting is that none of Carol’s public remarks are actually featured here. Of course, Carol, I’m not calling you a liar, but it would have been nice to actually read what people were reacting to, rather than your own explanation after the fact. Interesting.

Finally, when so many people are saying the same thing to you, a person with brains considers the possibility of its validity, if only for a second. It looks like you never have. And if you approved of Israel’s murder of–by even the most conservative numbers–500 men, women and children, who had done nothing but have the misfortune of being born in a place they’re not legally allowed to leave by Israel and Egypt, then you got off light with being called a racist.

Aug 22, 2009 - 8:36 am 25. Calvin Ball:

Stop grovelling. Wear your scarlet “R” proudly. As #5 said, if you act guilty, you’ll be perceived as guilty. Any lawyer will tell you that. That’s why you never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, apologize.

Aug 22, 2009 - 8:36 am 26. Moho:

If “racist” had any meaning anymore, it wouldn’t be applied to the Arab-Israeli conflict (note I do not call it the Palestinian-Israeli conflict because that is not accurate) because Arabs are physically indistinguishable from a substantial portion of the Israeli populace.

I’m trying to come up with a name for this behavior, because I see it so prevalently here. A racist remark, followed by the assertion that the accusation of racism is unfair. Pre-racism?

Anyway, it maybe never occured to you that negating a people’s right to exist–the right to call themselves after the region that they were born in–is racist. It would be like insisting you were something else than Jewish, or Black, or Latino or even white–inserting whatever name I think you deserve, over the term you prefer. That’s certainly not the most evil thing in the world, but it is most definitely racist. The fact that you need to trumpet it before you boast of your non-racism is a telling characteristic, I think, that marks many of the people who comment here. A compulsive need to be racist–perhaps a fear of letting go of old shop-worn beliefs that make the world more comfortable–coupled with a fear of taking the social repurcusions for those beliefs.

Aug 22, 2009 - 8:44 am 27. Wil:

Carol, a few thoughts:

1. The UK has been utterly brainwashed by the absurdly arrogant, profoundly dishonest, radically left-wing BBC. Soon they will have UK citizens so whipped up and hyper-sensitized, they’ll go around seriously accusing cats and dogs of being racist.

2. Emotion is the primary factor in the lives of most liberals. It shapes and controls all other aspects of their lives. So when one of their beliefs is challenged, they tend to explode in a spontaneous, uncontrollable volcano of wild emotions. Calling somebody “racist”, “Nazi”, “homophobe”, etc., is just their reaching for generic insults and curse words, in an attempt to vent all those exploding emotions.

3. For decades, a relatively few clever liberals have been using the above tendency in a much more pre-planned and wicked way. They have been using those labels, and even the mere threat of using them, to silence anybody who disagrees with them on ANY topic whatsoever. This is not based on emotion, but rather it is an effective tool that is repeatedly used by several political movements, including Fascists, Socialists and Communists.

4. It has become plainly clear to the entire world that UK citizens are allowing the BBC and the Labour Party to lead their country into a slow national suicide. That is a shame. Many people will miss the UK.

Aug 22, 2009 - 8:47 am 28. tomllewis:

I have every expectation that if Obama’s poll numbers get really low, we’re going to get a barrage of cries of “racism.” Too many progressives attack our character because our ideas *can’t* be right.

Aug 22, 2009 - 8:50 am 29. Nana:

Carol, I was raised in a conservative home and guess what I was taught to treat all people equal too. My mother and father protested segregation and did their part for civil rights. I have raised my own children to treat all people with respect and to love their neighbors. And, I, too have been called a racist for the first time in my life over the past year or so even as I have strived to do the right thing throughout my life.

It hurts, doesn’t it.

Aug 22, 2009 - 9:04 am 30. Byron Dickens:

I propose a new law of debate to lie alongside Goodwin’s law. We’ll call it Sharpton’s law. Simply stated, Sharpton’s law states that As a debate grows longer, the probability of a charge of racism approaches 1. As a collorary, the first one to level the charge of racism automatically loses and the debate is over.

Aug 22, 2009 - 9:12 am 31. David W. Lincoln:

As long as people retreat to the refuge of reducing objective truths being reflected via ethics, into sentimentality, the cheating by those who bellow “racist” will continue. They cheat themselves, and ultimately everyone will be cheated.

After all, when the bellowers of “racist” come across more examples of life
as it ought to be, especially when there are differences between the lives of those who bellow “racist”, and those on the receiving end; we can expect more of those who bellow “racist” arrive at the same conclusion as Lucifer in “Paradise Lost”: I would rather rule in hades than serve in heaven.

Aug 22, 2009 - 9:14 am 32. Pragmatist:

Affirmative Action RACIST
Sotomayor the ‘wise Latina’ RACIST
The Obamanation in GATESGATE RACIST
Prof Gates RACIST
96% of Blacks vote Obambi RACIST

I rest my case.

Aug 22, 2009 - 9:15 am 33. johnt:

Strange it is that people who rail against Obama being called a socialist, which of course he is, expect normal people to allow themselves to be smeared as racists.
This is a manifestation of what passes for the liberal mind, their right to engage in dirt while fully expecting others to maintain standards which they ignore.
They see no contradiction, but then either does the average psychopath.
Though it’s lost on that portion of the population that is increasingly going over the edge, calling a person a racist is a moral assault, whereas a socialist is one who adopts a particular economic program or series of positions.
Therefore there is more justification in calling The O a socialist, try as you might to ignore what’s happened in the last seven months and what’s planned for the future,, then there is in calling millions of people racist. Example, “America is a racist society”.

I understand the deep need for leftists to wantonly smear people, what easier way is there to elevate yourself, to give yourself status, to congratulate yourself, and most important, to exercise your psychic hate, to air it out so to speak.
But it’s not nice, and although the dummies don’t know it, it’s self destructive. To the extent that a liberal has a self.

Aug 22, 2009 - 9:18 am 34. davidt:

I suggest the term Neo-Racist to describe those who dislike people of color who make false accusations of racism.

Aug 22, 2009 - 9:21 am 35. Moho:

JohnT
Strange it is that people who rail against being called racists, which of course they are, expect normal people to allow themselves to be smeared as socialists.

Whoops, got all the words mixed up, but somehow it still made sense.

Aug 22, 2009 - 9:24 am 36. Mr Lucky:

26. Moho. “…it maybe never occured to you that negating a people’s right to exist…”

Could you be describing Palestinian attitudes towards the Jews as well?

Aug 22, 2009 - 9:37 am 37. Moho:

Of course, Mr. Lucky. Just as the Jews were racist towards southern Hillbillies who wanted to lynch them, racist against the Germans who wanted to gas them, and racist against the Spanish who wanted to convert them by force. You people never get this part, and you probably never will.

Aug 22, 2009 - 9:44 am 38. Mark "I'm on the Enemies List" Epstein:

One really wishes the products of affirmative action would “man up” one of these days, but with a coddling media and liberal white-guilt stoking the fires of non-existent racism, don’t look for Paterson, et. al. to grow “a set.” No, it’s far easier for them to snivel like injured little girls on a playground then take responsibility for their idiotic decisions. I wonder what people think when they compare and contrast Paterson’s and Obama’s behavior with the president’s “fatherhood” message. What’s the metamessage these two are teaching their children and young African-Americans? “Hey, act (not behave) like a man, and when it doesn’t go your way, cry ‘white racism’ and act like a little beeoch.” Is this the metamessage the black community wants? Well, whether the black community wants it or not, that’s what they’re getting each and every time one of the country’s black leaders cries like a schoolgirl.

Aug 22, 2009 - 9:45 am 39. Angry White Dude:

White Americans are tired of being called racists. The overwhelming majority of us judge people by their actions and not the color of their skin. Liberals base EVERYTHING on the color of skin. Now, mere disagreement with a black politician means one is racist. Many whites are waking up. My blog was created to allow people to speak freely without the chains of political correctness. Here is an article written yesterday about white guilt:

http://angrywhitedude.com/?p=2258

Aug 22, 2009 - 9:54 am 40. arhooley:

Carol, I suggest you go the way of Bill Willinghamn, who wrote this when Eric Holder charged not only racism, but cowardice on Americans:

Dear Mr. Holder: I don’t play your silly games anymore. I only ever talk about important matters like race and gender politics with those for whom there is still the possibility of serious discourse and reasoned debate. I suspect I’m not alone in this. Your side has taken itself out of the game, and until such time as you on the left can get your house in order, you aren’t worth a reasonable man’s time or effort.

In the meantime, I’ll continue to live my life, free of prejudice, never oppressing anyone, hating no one on a group basis, and not participating in your cloud cuckoo world of vicious and hateful pan-victimology, where even making funny faces is now a crime worthy of multi-billion dollar lawsuits. Your world is no longer a serious one, and I’m no longer interested in wasting my valuable time there.

For now, it’s really all you can do.

P.S. A great place to start is to ignore Moho, another party who has racists under the bed.

Aug 22, 2009 - 9:54 am 41. deguello:

Dear Ms. Gould:I’m not, it gives me a chance to laugh at weak brained clowns like MOJON,too stupid to realize that the mechanical overuse of this irrelevant and empty rhetorical trope,is rendering it obsolete.Calling old ladies and aged veterans racist because they don’t want to be killed in death camp hospitals run by Obama’s own Dr., Mengele(The other Emmanuel) is so patently absurd,that”RACIST” will become a totally useless slander.When this happens litards will have a nervous breakdown.

Aug 22, 2009 - 10:00 am 42. deguello:

#36 MR.LUCKY: regarding MOJON: You forgot the hundreds of thousands of Indians killed,robbed, and terrorized out of UGANDA in the 70’s by Idi Amin’s African mobs.But I keep forgetting, these victims don’t count:they were Asians,and no doubt “racists”,so they deserved what they got.

Aug 22, 2009 - 10:05 am 43. Delia:

Well, whatever all of you melanin challenged people do, don’t go to ‘The Obama Forum’. No HONKS-CRACKERS-DEVILSwhites allowed.

Aug 22, 2009 - 10:17 am 44. Snorri Godhi:

Moho is a “blood and soil” nationalist:

it maybe never occured to you that negating a people’s right to exist–the right to call themselves after the region that they were born in–is racist.

For him, a people exists only if they are in mystical communion with their native land.

The funny thing is that he thinks that the racists are those who deny blood+soil nationalism.

Aug 22, 2009 - 10:17 am 45. Calvin Ball:

1) DNFTT.

2) The fact that you’re trying to prove your innocence proves that they have you where they want you. If this were a criminal trial, you’d be innocent until proven guilty! It’s only reasonable that the same standard apply to racism.

Even under a “preponderance of evidence” standard, they don’t have anything on you. Don’t let the bastards bully you. They can’t do it without your cooperation. You’ve already cooperated too much. You, and everyone else is innocent of racism until the accuser can prove otherwise. Act like it.

This really reminds me of the reaction of a rape victim; trying to “prove” that she didn’t “ask for it”. You don’t have to. They have to put up, or shut up. Remember that.

Aug 22, 2009 - 10:39 am 46. ~Argus:

Delia,

The Obama Forum is a hoax. The template for the site looks too much like “Stormfront” for me to believe that it’s genuine. My guess is that it’s a vicious parody set up by genuine white supremacists. I furthermore believe that an editor needs to take down your link to this trash. It represents genuine racism, but not of the leftist variety.

Aug 22, 2009 - 10:40 am 47. TFMo:

Here’s how I respond to racism accusations:

Racist? Not particularly. But if I were, at least I could change that. You, however, are an idiot, and that doesn’t appear likely to change.

Aug 22, 2009 - 11:04 am 48. Calvin Ball:

46, a whois turns up anonymous, so you can’t know one way or another. Having said that, it doesn’t look like the board ops really have any original content. They have a number of very broad (i.e. “war on racism”) categories, and the commenters drive the discussion with no visible moderation.

My guess: somebody is making beer money off the blogads. This is for profit, and not backed by any particular group. Otherwise, it would be a lot more heavily moderated, and have a series of timely news-oriented posts.

Blogging is a lot like fishing: you throw the bait out, and the more bites you get, the richer you get.

The comments do speak for their respective authors, though. Draw whatever conclusions about them that you may.

Aug 22, 2009 - 11:15 am 49. goy:

There’s a serious problem here, which goes way beyond the abuse of the term “racist”. Some of the folks who sling it – as a knee-jerk reaction to ANYONE who dares to pop their fantasy bubble – are genuinely delusional and / or borderline psychotic.

No, really.

Case in point: I ran across a blog post here, which falsely claims – in the context of labeling all “birthers” racists – to display BHO’s birth certificate.

I left a comment noting that it wasn’t “racist” when McCain’s status was questioned and resolved, because McCain is white. Also noted that the author was clearly ignorant of Hawaii Statutes and that there is a difference between a Certificate and a Certification.

Here’s the email I received in response yesterday:

from Shelly L.T.
to goy@you-know-where.com
date Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 8:42 PM
subject Your comment on Civilianism

Your comment on my website was deleted. It’s fascinating how many excuses blatant racists like yourself can come up with to make their lies seem more plausible.

If you don’t understand basic documents like birth certificates, then there is no help for you. The truth is, people like you are so transparent. You are trying to bring down the presidency of our first multi-racial president, and you can’t stand it that rich, right-wing white people are losing power.

My comment was deleted and replaced there with the following:

(deleted psycho racist birther rant) by “goy”.

Dear racist commenters: You will not find a platform here at Civilianism. Take your rotten, stinking, moldy baloney elsewhere. Visit the freepers hideyhole or wherever you freaks hang out.

And no, you don’t get a link from my website either, sicko.

So in this deluded and hysterical individual’s estimation, one is a “sicko” and a “psycho racist” if one dares to point out the facts and the reality of BHO’s birth documentation and the glaring Double Standard being applied to his case vs. McCain’s. Also note the blatant projection: “you don’t understand basic documents like birth certificates”.

Note well: this has (and had) absolutely NOTHING to do with speculation regarding BHOs citizenship status, where he was born or any other so-called “birther” nonsense. It was simply an admonition regarding the misuse of the “racist” ad hominem and an explanation of Hawaii State Law, which is easily verified by simply examining their web site.

Folks, this response is the apoplectic, foot-stamping, fingers-in-the-ears, LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-I-CAN’T-HEAR-YOU-I-CAN’T-HEAR-YOU- behavior OF A CHILD HAVING A TANTRUM – not that of an adult.

America has become infested with tens of thousands – possibly millions – of emotionally disturbed individuals who are exhibiting exactly this type of behavior when faced with the truth. This is no different from behavior documented by Roy Baumeister and his colleagues (1996), which has been characterized by self-described “liberal psychology researcher” Martin Seligman as follows:

Until January 1996, I believed that self-esteem was merely a meter with little, if any, causal efficacy. The lead article in the Psychological Review convinced me that I was wrong, and that self-esteem is causal: Roy Baumeister and his colleagues (1996) reviewed the literature on genocidal killers, on hit men, on gang leaders, and on violent criminals. They argued that these perpetrators have high self-esteem, and that their unwarranted self-esteem causes violence. Baumeister’s work suggests that if you teach unwarrantedly high self-esteem to children, problems will ensue. A sub-group of these children will also have a mean streak in them. When these children confront the real world, and it tells them they are not as great as they have been taught, they will lash out with violence. So it is possible that the twin epidemics among young people in the United States today, depression and violence, both come from this misbegotten concern: valuing how our young people feel about themselves more highly than how we value how well they are doing in the world.

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This is not a political issue, it’s a facet of human development.

The sooner we realize that and start dealing with it as the source of the problem, the more likely the possibility that we’ll save the Republic from the same fate that doomed every great culture and civilization that has gone before us.

“Liberalism” (actually leftism) is a facet of Human Development. It needs to be addressed on that basis. If we continue to deal with those on the left as though they are fully functional, rational, morally mature adults who merely have a “different opinion”, we will watch our Republic go down the drain as surely as any family would if they allowed their adolescent children to run the household. This isn’t hyperbole, it’s a phenomenon demonstrated by extensive clinical – multicultural – research in human psychology.

Leftist ideology is a symptom that is clearly linked to a failure to mature morally – moral adolescence. The people who blindly and hysterically cling to leftist notions – in the direct opposition to any fact or any reality that contradicts their fantasy – need to be dealt with as the children they are. And fast.

Aug 22, 2009 - 11:18 am 50. Marie Claude:

“But in Europe racial prejudice is still a major illness with a primitive edge that blights an otherwise enlightened continent. The Gates debacle was ugly, but when you think that France has only just introduced its first black television anchor, the U.S. seems a haven of racial enlightenment.”

the difference with the US is that our African are not in Europe for than 3 decades, and all were of poor origin with no education, and do not represent a great percentage of our population (it’s probably with the second or the third generation that we can see them in the medias), while in The US they are there since the beginning of the colonisation of the continent.

Aug 22, 2009 - 11:41 am 51. Moho:

Mark–>that made me laugh for a long time. Man up? Its you nelly queens constantly whining and crying about racism. This very article nearly short circuited my computer with its voluminous moisture. Ha. Ha. Man up. Do you even realize how you people are viewed outside the confines of these forums? People think you’re absolute sissies.

Aug 22, 2009 - 11:52 am 52. paul_unalaska:

A Thinking Person – you are good.

A ‘You people’ comment didn’t grace this post until comment #37.

Pragmatist – I’ll add 2 more to the ‘Racist’ ideology:

-Not recognizing the area called ‘Palestine’ – Racist.

-Feeling little empathy for a people who overwhelmingly elected terrorists for their political might. Whose monies goes towards weapons, terrorism rather than their people. In turn, these displaced citizens allow (as well as dozens of allied countries worldwide) thousands upon thousands of mortar fire attacks to occur in Israel.

Doctored video, images of those supposedly hurt, killed in the area known as Palestine. Whereas you support Israel finally retaliating and standing up for its people – Racist

Aug 22, 2009 - 12:33 pm 53. George S.:

Carol, I find your piece a little convoluted. Cann’t put my finger on it but part of the liberal cause is to use racism or as one commenter put it “bigotry” as a stick to punish dissenters.

..and you seem to be mixed up in the liberal side of things even now. The evil that was done by others, or ancestors really should have no bearing on you or me or anyone who did not participate or condone such actions yet your liberal friends don’t care and want you me and everyone else to make perpetual restitution.

…the victim mentality is alve and well …don’t feed it.

Aug 22, 2009 - 12:39 pm 54. paul_unalaska:

When living in Santa Barbara, one of its City Councilwoman was responding to complaints of illegal immigration and the repercussions its had on the community. Gangs, teen pregnancy, welfare dependency, lowering school standards, uninsured motorists, Section 8 Housing, et al.

She’d responded that illegals do bring their share of ‘discomfort’ though for the most part add a ‘diversity’ to our community and ‘progressive’ lifestyle we ‘aspire to.’

Paraphrasing, she’d said those who didn’t have this stance may have racial issues they need to focus on and remedy.. riiiight.

Aug 22, 2009 - 12:45 pm 55. Moho:

-Feeling little empathy for a people who overwhelmingly elected terrorists for their political might. Whose monies goes towards weapons, terrorism rather than their people. In turn, these displaced citizens allow (as well as dozens of allied countries worldwide) thousands upon thousands of mortar fire attacks to occur in Israel.

No. Of course, you’re not racist. This reminds me of thieves and drug dealers who claim they’re not criminals. Hey do the crime, do the time, but stop being such little whining babies about it. That’s even harder to take than the racism in the first place. The hardest thing in the world for me is to watch so many little girls crying at once.

Aug 22, 2009 - 12:50 pm 56. Scott:

You know its interesting in how nearly everything the “liberals”, socialists, marxists, their various spin offs touch turns to crap…

Abolitionists & Liberals basically have destroyed American blacks, leading them back into social & political slavery. A slavery much more devastating than the institution practiced in America prior to the 14th amendment, a slavery of the heart, mind, and spirit. Some have escaped, but oh how terribly they are treated when the Democrats find out they have left the “plantation”.

The Socialist governments of GB and the EU have sown the seed of their own cultural destruction. We saw how things turned out for the USSR (Communist) & Nazi Germany (Socialist/Fascist). Chavez has destroyed whole sectors of his own economy by turning once profitable private businesses into state run organizations with low output and red ink.

The American education system, liberal and leftist controlled, spends the most per student but comes up far short of other nations. They are more worried about indoctrination than real education.

Liberal & socialist policies also lead to the global housing meltdown. You don’t loan money to someone who can’t repay it no matter what their skin color. Giving loans to people based solely upon their skin color rather than their ability to repay the loan is just plain stupidity. And just because some Republicans hopped on the band wagon doesn’t make it any less idiotic.

Aug 22, 2009 - 12:59 pm 57. tommyd:

Quote from moho the troll,

“Finally, when so many people are saying the same thing to you, a person with brains considers the possibility of its validity. It looks like you never have.”

Of course his own statement does not apply to himself…lol..His brain thrust ideas apply only to non liberals when they are at odds with a leftist.

The quality of the trolls here is pathetic…

Aug 22, 2009 - 1:19 pm 58. Anonymous:

#52 paul_unalaska:

A Thinking Person – you are good.

A ‘You people’ comment didn’t grace this post until comment #37.

exactly, and look who’s mouth it rolled out of…. the one and only troll moho.. how fitting.

I would only like to understand how the Black community feels knowing they have supported the same party that created the KKK for the past 50 years.

Aug 22, 2009 - 1:31 pm 59. paul_unalaska:

Anonymous – ‘I would only like to understand how the Black community feels knowing they have supported the same party that created the KKK for the past 50 years.’

Tbh, I don’t believe this group and their affiliates is relevant anymore. I feel the Left gives those idiots more validity than necessary.

Especially the MSM. Most recently MSNBC’s Contessa Brewer provides such a foot-in-mouth moment.. http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/20/msnbc-on-race-baiting-gun-segment-um-we-were-speaking-generally/

As for politicians affecting the minority communities, LBJ’s, ‘The Great Society’ has proven to be one of the greatest failures of the 20th Century. A close second to FDR’s, ‘New Deal.’ But don’t tell the Left thinking folks that.

‘Son, don’t print that. The wife (Demo Party) reads that and she’s gonna lose all hope.’ – Nathan Arizona, ‘Raising Arizona’

Aug 22, 2009 - 1:46 pm 60. Marie Claude:

scott, wake up, we are in 2009

Aug 22, 2009 - 1:49 pm 61. Moho:

What makes me laugh is that you people are the exact mirror image of all of the “politically correct” people you spent screaming at for the last twenty years–finding an insult in everything. Does “you people” mean something racist? What does it mean?

By the way being called a troll on this site is hardly an insult–its more like being called a litterbug by a guy burning a pile of plastic and trash in his backyard.

Aug 22, 2009 - 2:16 pm 62. billslayer:

MOHO. Just here to remind your that the racist turd sandwich that is your messiah got his start in politics turning tricks for a slumlord. Just wanted to give you that visual of the good lord barry dunham on his knees in front of the criminal pervert slumlord, Tony Rezko.

Aug 22, 2009 - 3:15 pm 63. genghis:

Sad, but this incessant race-baiting is going to result in exactly the opposite outcome the race-baiters anticipate. Ordinary folk are rapidly getting fed up. It is both foolhardy and dangerous to keep accusing the rest of us for their own failures. One of these days they will have to take responsibility for their ineptitude. That is how grownups behave. Respect is earned, not a right. Simply existing does not rate a ‘good job’.

Aug 22, 2009 - 3:15 pm 64. Polybius:

Thanks for providing us with your biographie, showing what a good person you are and how you dont deserve what you are going through. Not to forget how good your parents were, which makes you even a better person.
Just one detail you left out, how often you yourself have called others racists when you havent agreed with their point of view? Though in a sense you give us a hint; by taking into account two types of Europeans (football fans and guardian-writers) you throw the whole continent into the corner of racists, while giving an extra treatment to france (which makes one wonder what the French did to you. Maybe you got called something by a LeMonde writer?) An other thing what makes one wonder is the fact, that in the last few years the French soccer-team has had in recent years black players then even some African teams (Angola had actually more white players in the last world cup then France). But I guess not having a black newspresenter until recently is enough to call a whole country racist and backwards. Congratulations.

Aug 22, 2009 - 3:26 pm 65. Mr Lucky:

37. Moho. Of course, Mr. Lucky. Just as the Jews were racist towards southern Hillbillies who wanted to lynch them, racist against the Germans who wanted to gas them, and racist against the Spanish who wanted to convert them by force.

Then self defense is racism.

Aug 22, 2009 - 3:38 pm 66. Steve DeMarcus:

Je suis partie en français, Cherokee, et l’anglais aussi je raciste? French

I am part French, Cherokee, and English so am I a racist? English

Hardly so and I am now insulted by those that use that term against me or my family, it really is getting old and worn. I do not like Obama due to his political philosophy and did not vote for him as did any of my three children. What he stands for is against all we stand for.

It is now time to stand up and calling us names no longer makes it true and what you are doing is wrong in our minds and beliefs, quit hitting us with the terms and abusive language about us being a racist. We are Americans and we do things our own way without your guidance and we built this country to what it was till you came up with your ideas it is time for us to take it back.

Aug 22, 2009 - 3:40 pm 67. 888:

A central issue is that conservatives do not loudly and strongly defend themselves when the liberal establishment labels them as racists. Conservatives have allowed the arrogant elitists and leftwing media to control the dialogue, when in reality, conservatives (the visionary ones) are good, humble, generous people who, for many decades, have been helping the poor and disadvantaged and those seeking freedom and justice the world over. The liberals know that; that’s why they’re drowning the conversation and outspending in record numbers to re-write history and paint a negative picture of those belonging to a true conservative party and conservatism, in general.

And despite what liberals have been saying since the 1960s, the majority of African-Americans and Hispanics are conservative in their thought, in their upbringing and in their values. Most blacks and hispanics just cannot get themselves to vote conservative because they think they’re selling out to the white man. They don’t understand that by clinging to the Democrats, they’re actually enslaving themselves to the perpetual lies and empty promises of the Democratic Party and the liberal elitists who enjoy the brainwashing of the masses to ensure the masses’ allegiance and all-important votes.

I’m an Asian woman, and I’m very proud to be a conservative. When I travel, at domestic and international airports, I wear a tee-shirt that proclaims “Proud Member of the Conservative Movement”. I’m not ashamed or embarrassed to state emphatically that I have conservative views. It’s too bad other minorities are, though. That’s why they always seem to be angry, miserable and disillusioned. The minorities who do not live the double life and are secure with their conservatism, are happier in their outlook and in their prospects for a better tomorrow because they don’t have to deny truths and they don’t allow anyone to brainwash them.

And when a white, black, Asian or Hispanic friend or colleague at work disagrees with me or gives me the impression that he or she may not like me, I don’t blame their attitude, behavior or remark on racism. I just accept that that person doesn’t agree with me or doesn’t like me, period. I don’t fool myself into thinking that everything that’s wrong with me or my situation or the world’s situation is because of racism. That’s childish thinking, and we need to move forward.

Aug 22, 2009 - 3:41 pm 68. Fantom:

I am sorry Carol.

That you so cast the wind for so long and now reap the whirlwind from your people.

Sucks huh. Deal with it.. you have earned it.

There is another wind.. one from what you have long espoused growing.

Aug 22, 2009 - 3:42 pm 69. Delia:

46. ~Argus:

If it’s a hoax there’s no indication there that it IS and Google who is in bed with Obie & Cronies has that forum come up FIRST with a simple google search of ‘Obama Forum’.

Definitely ‘fishy’.

Aug 22, 2009 - 3:47 pm 70. Mark "Still on the Enemies List" Epstein:

Moho #51:

“Its you nelly queens constantly whining and crying about racism…Do you even realize how you people are viewed outside the confines of these forums? People think you’re absolute sissies.”

First, I could care less what liberal cowards think of me. Second, the only thing you find fewer of than atheists in a foxhole is liberals. Why? Because liberals have an “entitlement mentality” that has no constitutional basis. Third, instead of dealing with the issue of racism forthrightly, liberals will devolve into ad hominems (e.g., “nelly queens,” “absolute sissies,” etc.) each time their sole claim to charges of racism are shattered by the facts. Yes, not only should Obama, Governor Paterson, the mainstream media, poverty pimps, and white liberals wracked with guilt “man up,” I would recommend you do so as well. You may also want to take a class or two in basic logic, since your writing is oft times filled with classic logical fallacies.

Aug 22, 2009 - 4:04 pm 71. Xcontra:

Ms. Gould, we still see lots of racism in the States. Frequently, it’s in people who think of themselves as progressive. They have a genteel racism that does not respond to applications of the Civil Rights Act or the Voting Rights Act.

http://www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting/overview.php#vra

My dad was an ACLU attorney back in the 1960s, admitted to bar of the US Supreme Court, etc., but he had the subtle racist attitude toward blacks, as persistent as MRSA.

My feeling: We just have to keep our brains thinking and alert and hold to that which is true.

Aug 22, 2009 - 4:08 pm 72. john from cinncinatti:

if i call you out on something wrong then i am called a racist for it. ok but you’re still wrong. so racist is a label to hit you over the head with, and whats wrong with ducking the punch? if like mojo said that calling yourself after the land you were born in, is existing, then i am of the American race. then i guess i am a racist. i think being American is good. does it have to come in color or just black and white?

Aug 22, 2009 - 4:09 pm 73. Fantom:

“46. ~Argus:
Delia,

The Obama Forum is a hoax. The template for the site looks too much like “Stormfront” for me to believe that it’s genuine. My guess is that it’s a vicious parody set up by genuine white supremacists. I furthermore believe that an editor needs to take down your link to this trash. It represents genuine racism, but not of the leftist variety.”

Hmnn. and I thought the Obama Forum was a jest.. of moveon.org. That is to say a parody of the NAACP and most leftist sites like obama’s gov sites.

Pure comedy Ala’ Nero.

Aug 22, 2009 - 4:13 pm 74. Moho:

Yes, that was my original point to you. You were using the same dynamic to claim that Palestinians were racists. Now you seem to understand. I have to be honest, I didn’t think you’d get it, nor did I think you had the balls to admit it. But you’re a bigger person than I thought you were. Not saying much, actually.

Aug 22, 2009 - 4:15 pm 75. Moho:

Bill: MOHO. Just here to remind your that the racist turd sandwich that is your messiah got his start in politics turning tricks for a slumlord. Just wanted to give you that visual of the good lord barry dunham on his knees in front of the criminal pervert slumlord, Tony Rezko.

Many of my friends are gay, and some of them wre gay men who lived as straight people as you do, Bill. One of them confessed to me recently that he constantly made jokes where the main lever of humor was an image of gay sex. He laughs about it today, but I think he suffered for years, and probably caused a lot of anguish to other gay people. Look, you people, there’s fresh air outside that closet. A lot of this anger probably stems from all that repressed desire.

Aug 22, 2009 - 4:19 pm 76. Marie Claude:

Melle Gould has no clue to understand our country, if she only read the Brits papers, she’ll always will get the wrong sight, cuz they manipulate “perfidy” and Brits humor, so the wise attitude would be to reverse what they are saying,

WE are not racist like the US understand it, du reste, we welcome their black artists when they were prohibited in the US, ie many jazz men, Josephine Baker…

now as I said above, the black people from our African colonies started to emigrate to France after the seventies, so this explain why they were not much seen on the TV screen up to the last years, they had not the cultural level for it !

But, if Melle Gould had done a real journalist investigation, she would know that many of our “brothers” and “sisters” squat our different channels nowadays, more on the musical ones though

Aug 22, 2009 - 4:51 pm 77. George S.:

49. goy

excellent post. many good points.

I would add there is lack of responsiblity coupled with the unreasonable self-esteem ..a dangerous combination. that is what the legacy of decades of leftist indocrination has brought to America.

cheers

Aug 22, 2009 - 5:46 pm 78. Delia:

Is this a ’spoof’ too?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmH0f-VwSro

A radio talk-show host actually interviewed one of the ‘Obama Forum’ posters.

Seriously weird.

Here’s the talk-show host’s link:

http://oldgloryradio.podbean.com/shows/the-obama-forum-radio-show/

Things that make ya go hmmmmmmmmm.

Aug 22, 2009 - 6:07 pm 79. Getoverit:

Yawn. I get it, I get it your not a racist, Europeans are idiots…

Tell me this Ms. Gould since you come from a “good liberal family” – did your parents ever pull the same b.s. on people, you know..the self righteous liberals vs. the unenlightened rest? As far as I’m concerned for people like you – the chickens are coming home to roost – live with it.

Aug 22, 2009 - 6:42 pm 80. tommyd:

One of MLK’s dreams was to get to a day that people, all people , will be accepted not because of the color of their skin or ethnic group or any other grouping but because of the character of the person.

The left does nothing BUT divide people by and into Groups for the purpose of playing them off of each other to gain votes and maintain control over a large portion of the population.
Divide and Conquer, an old method but it still works well.

Aug 22, 2009 - 7:29 pm 81. Calvin Ball:

Oh, did I forget to say?

DNFTT

Aug 22, 2009 - 7:59 pm 82. highhatsize:

It has been decades since I have heard any American who was not black utter a racist remark. (I may have seen some on television. The truth is, in my 62 years, I cannot remember ANYONE in my presence uttering a racist remark other than blacks.) My last experience with this phenomenon was several months ago when I was on a local bus. A teenage black girl was complaining to her friend that she had been fired by her boss, (white), while other employees, (white), had been kept on. Her explanation for this was: “You know how they are.”, and then puckering up her lips exaggeratedly and making loud kissing sounds.

I think that it is inevitable that anyone who complains about the behavior of someone who is a member of one of the racial groups that have been oppressed in the past, (principally, Blacks and Jews), will be called a racist for his opinion because their is no onus on the accuser and it may do him some good. Unfortunately, rather than calling his accuser a fool and demanding that he back up his racist accusation or shut up, most accused bend over backwards to prove their lack of bias. As long as the thoughtless accusers are not brought up short by those they accuse, and by the accuser’s friends who recognize the danger allowing their fellows to perpetuate racist behavior, there will continue to be a racial divide.

The fact is that, today, the ranks of white racists have been thinned enormously by education, and, I assume, even genuine white racists would refrain from voicing their bias publicly among strangers. But prominent black racists like the Reverend Al Sharpton are courted by the media and by politician who think that being associated with him is good for their careers.

We have to make it clear that we will not tolerate racists in our midst, regardless of their color, or black racists will perpetuate the fraud that every black who fails, (at whatever, at something), fails because of racism rather than personal ineptitude. We have to make it clear to people who voice unsubstantiated racist remarks, regardless of color, that said remarks are a measure of their stupidity and something from which they should refrain.

Aug 22, 2009 - 8:01 pm 83. Bohemond:

Moho:

Under the PA and Hamas, both, it is a capital crime to sell real estate to a Jew. Spin that, since it’s always amusing to watch your contortions as you try to portray terrorists as victims. How DARE those racist Jooos defend themselves?

Aug 22, 2009 - 8:49 pm 84. Ruebacca:

I don’t care about Palestine. Am I a raciest? I don’t care about Israel ether.

Aug 22, 2009 - 9:09 pm 85. Moho:

Ruebecca: Here. Here. There is absolutely no reason you should care about either issue.

Aug 22, 2009 - 9:45 pm 86. Moho:

Under the PA and Hamas, both, it is a capital crime to sell real estate to a Jew.

Why should I care what laws Palestine has for its own people. Surely, you couldn’t mean to imply that somehow the PA kills more Palestinians than Israelis? Or that the PA is a greater threat to the average Palestinian than Israel?

Aug 22, 2009 - 10:37 pm 87. Donna V.:

WE are not racist like the US understand it, du reste, we welcome their black artists when they were prohibited in the US, ie many jazz men, Josephine Baker…

Oh, great, you let a few jazz musicians entertain you and Josephine Baker dance topless so that means the French aren’t racist. That’s like saying there was no racism in the US in 1939 because Butterfly McQueen won an Oscar that year for “Gone With the Wind.”

Everytime I’ve traveled to Europe, I’ve heard jaw-droppingly racist comments from Europeans. Europe is the Continent where 6 million Jews were killed because they were believed to be racially inferior – and Jews lived in Europe much longer than blacks have lived in the US. That inconvenient historical fact occurred just a little over 60 years ago, and although the Germans and Austrians were the main architects, they got plenty of help from the Vichy regime and plain old ordinary citizens (the people who ratted on the Frank family in Amsterdam were Dutch – just doing their part to help their fellow Aryans get rid of Anne.)

Whenever a Euro pontificates about American racism, I want someone to pass me the sick bag.

Aug 22, 2009 - 10:50 pm 88. seguin:

lol@moho. He has the left-wing narratives down pat (make fun of people using the word “gay” means you’re gay, seeing Israel’s side makes you a racist, etc.)…I wonder if he uses note cards? I know it’d be hard for me to fly in the face of reality that much without some kind of aid in keeping current with the topsy-turvy blackwhite world of modern liberalism.

Aug 22, 2009 - 10:59 pm 89. Pragmatist:

#49 ‘goy’ You talk so much senses and like me gar=t the same s=reactions simply for ASKING for information with no pre-judgement. What I cannot understand is how so many Americans are so STUPID to dismiss out of hand for Obambi what they will crow over and pick to death if its said or shown to be about a Republican. This goes beyond stupidity though it is the result of the brainwashing of a gullible, hysterical, emotional populace.
Apart from his Vault Birth Certificate the Obamanation is HIDING virtually everything about his personal, educational and work life starting with his Primary School records . Yet these ‘numbties’ just CANNOT see it they scream and shout and call people ASKING for information CONSPIRACY NUTS while at the same time give a free pass to the REAL CONSPIRERS those that are HIDING the information and paying Lawyers huge sums to do so.The Obamanation supporting Americans are living in a reverse morality world and whats more they seem to be proud to do so how sad and pathetic they are. The Black Obamantion supporters are just Racists of course how else could 96% of an ethnic group ALL vote for the Black candidate.

Aug 22, 2009 - 11:21 pm 90. Pragmatist:

The Troll MOHO is not concerned about TRUTH or about what “Palestinians” (no such beast by the way there is NOt and NEVER has been a State called Palestine so it cant be occupied and you cant be a refugee from it. Its all a Fatah, pervert Arafat 60’s INVENTION) do and he wont let it get in the way of his ANTISEMITISM . Which is rooted in his blind ignorant stupidity about Palestine and the Jews. FYO ‘numbtie’ the ARAB invaders ALREADY have over 80% and TWO States Jordan and Syria of the Mandate of Palestine that was supposed to be split 50/50 between the ARAB Muslim invaders and the Jewish TRADITIONAL inhabitants. But hey MOHO whats TRUTH to a blind antisemitic biased ‘libtard’ like you hey.

Aug 23, 2009 - 12:33 am 91. Lorenzo (from downunder):

Thanks for providing yet more examples in your clearly heartfelt post. The use of the cry “racist!” to narrow the range of acceptable opinion by widening what counts as racism is a very well-established attack on public debate and intellectual life that needs to be called out as often as possible.

Aug 23, 2009 - 2:17 am 92. Marie Claude:

Donna V

Can I have another version? seems that one is worn out for being the leit-motiv of the last decade, any particular interest and or bitterness in there ? but you didn’t question the facts that were given to your already empathic mind

your sincerely

“Surrender Monkey”, alias “froggy” & toutim…

oh wait, not quite, LMAO

PS) check any WW2 war movie or books about life in caserns, white and blacks were apart ! also in regiments, they weren’t considered as “soldiers”, but as people for serving in “intendence” (stewardship) for the “true” soldiers (guess who they were), exactly like in the old tale “gone with the wind”, “where is my “Doudou” LMAO

Aug 23, 2009 - 4:10 am 93. goy:

89. Pragmatist: – What I cannot understand is how so many Americans are so STUPID to dismiss out of hand for Obambi what they will crow over and pick to death if its said or shown to be about a Republican. This goes beyond stupidity though it is the result of the brainwashing of a gullible, hysterical, emotional populace.

This wholly irrational, illogical, Double Standard based behavior is actually pretty easy to understand IF you look at it from the standpoint of human development (i.e., psychology) rather than politics.

Inherent in the “debate” between “conservatives” (actually classical liberals) and “liberals” (actually leftists) is the rather blind assumption – by both groups – that the discussion is between fully-realized, mature adults who simply happen to differ on social policy.

Nothing could be further from the truth, as the clinical research shows. This, combined with mountains of real-world evidence – handily archived all over the Internet – and daily demonstrations by leftist trolls here and everywhere else, make it clear that the “debate” is really an argument between the moral equivalent of adults and children.

Fooled by appearances, we see the left as “adults” and have foolishly allowed children far too much input into how to manage the family finances and run the household. That’s why the roof is leaking, the gas, electric and water bills are unpaid, we have unmanageable credit card debt, the phone’s been turned off, our three car payments are overdue and the bank is threatening to foreclose on our overextended mortgage. Meanwhile, the kids attend a school where they learn nothing and the cracks in the foundation go unrepaired. That’s what happens when you compromise with children.

We can continue to compromise with these moral adolescents – and watch the Republic go quietly into the night – or we can study the psychology of those who are drawn to leftist ideologies and teach them the aspects of morality they’re missing… like America once did.

But we have to choose. And we have to listen to Santayana when we do. The only way this problem solves itself is the same way it has always done in the past: the fall of another culture/civilization that had once achieved greatness. We can either let that happen or choose to get back on the path that made America the envy and benefactor of the world. Personally, I prefer the latter.

Aug 23, 2009 - 12:08 pm 94. Ruebacca:

The two state solution is dead. The UN should pick a day….. Oct 1st 2009 and the two sides should just fight it out. The winner ethnically cleanses the loser with no one being prosecuted for war crimes or stuff like that.

This model can be used on many of the worlds problem areas.
Oct 15th 2009…Northern Ireland.
Nov 1st 2009…Korea.
Nov 15th 2009…Ceylon.
Dec 1st 2009…Chechnya.
Dec 15th 2009…Mindino PI

We can get a lot done before xmas.

Aug 23, 2009 - 12:24 pm 95. Donna V.:

any particular interest and or bitterness in there ?

Is that your roundabout way of asking if I’m Jewish, Marie Claude? No, I’m not. But what if I was? Would it invalidate my statements?

Nobody is denying that American blacks suffered from racism in the past. What I am saying is that Europeans have absolutely no moral authority whatsoever on the topic of racism.

Aug 23, 2009 - 12:50 pm 96. Moho:

DonnaV. You realize by that same logic that Americans don’t have any moral authority either. The only people that have that moral authority, according to that same logic, would be the Arabs, Asians and Africans–and their decedents–that Europe and America screwed over. Its your logic, not mine.

Aug 23, 2009 - 1:06 pm 97. Calvin Ball:

DNFTT

Aug 23, 2009 - 1:25 pm 98. Hyphenated American:

Moho is such a racist…

“Why should I care what laws Palestine has for its own people. Surely, you couldn’t mean to imply that somehow the PA kills more Palestinians than Israelis? Or that the PA is a greater threat to the average Palestinian than Israel?”

So, moho cares about the laws that South Africa had for “its own people” – but he does not care if “palestine” has horrible laws against the Jews. After all, as comrade Eihman said explaining his actions – “well, they were Jews, weren’t they”?

Anyway, had moho not existed, he should have been invented. This is a creature, who claims his moral and intellectual superiority and persoanl independence and yet who vehemently supports all measures that would turn the US government into a nanny and a big brother, a sole supporter and provider and decision maker in all matters relating to economy.

Moho should be used to denote a being, who wants to be a respected independent minded welfare queen.

Aug 23, 2009 - 1:38 pm 99. Brent:

Oh, I see MoHo is back. Wht a treat. Remember when your parents warned you about excessive self-abuse? Well, see what happens.

Aug 23, 2009 - 1:41 pm 100. Mindy:

MoHo

Is your place under that rock air conditioned?

Aug 23, 2009 - 1:43 pm 101. AThinkingPerson:

Is it my imagination or has Moho used the phrase “you people” more than once on this threadM

What does it say about Moho that he will resort to grouping us all together so he can make biased judgments about us? Sounds sort of like the topic at hand doesn’t it?

I guess liberals aren’t quite ready to be “post-racial” just yet.

Aug 23, 2009 - 1:44 pm 102. Byron:

I don’t think that it is fair to dump of moho. Remeber when Obama joked about the Special Olympics? Well this is the same thing. Good job, moho, good job. Wipe the snot off of your nose please. Good job.

Aug 23, 2009 - 1:58 pm 103. Marie Claude:

Donna V, that’s funny, why always you need to bring “Jew” in a rant about racism ? racism isn’t a monopole only tied jewish people !

We, the French, were/are still bashed as Untermenschen by some anglo-saxon american christian whiteys, yeah, it ain’t racism, but joke !

Aug 23, 2009 - 2:07 pm 104. Marie Claude:

er hmm (so that I see my former post)

Aug 23, 2009 - 2:15 pm 105. Carla:

Marie Claude: you frogs are such losers. You spent hours trying to perfect your lip curl while the Krauts walked over your country. What a pack of losers. Eh bien. Ca va.
Tout le merde, ami, tout le merde. Comprennez-vous

Aug 23, 2009 - 2:35 pm 106. Cheese-eating surrender monkey:

We, the French, were/are still bashed as Untermenschen by some anglo-saxon american christian whiteys, yeah, it ain’t racism, but joke !

There’s a difference between being untermenschen and joke fodder. You’re not important enough to be untermenschen. In North America, there are two French-speaking groups; the Quebecois, and the Cajuns. You don’t want to be either.

The only thing more pathetic than a Quebecois is a Canadian Anglophone trying to kiss the butt of a Quebecois.

Aug 23, 2009 - 2:43 pm 107. Marie Claude:

Carla,

aren’t you the favorite Berlusconi’s call girl, whose previous nic was “susan” ?

Italians were Hitlers su**ers

Aug 23, 2009 - 3:02 pm 108. Marie Claude:

#106,

and, what is your point ?

Aug 23, 2009 - 3:05 pm 109. Marie Claude:

105, umm susan is still on !

we can trust Italians that attacked us in the back (in Savoie), helping Hitler, but couldn’t dream of doing it alone

Aug 23, 2009 - 3:12 pm 110. Moho:

Moho should be used to denote a being, who wants to be a respected independent minded welfare queen.

Trust me, if there came a time when anyone of you respected me, I would be seriously worried.

Aug 23, 2009 - 3:38 pm 111. Moho:

ThinkingpersonIs it my imagination or has Moho used the phrase “you people” more than once on this thread

Ha. Ha. I use it every thread. Because in every thread, there’s some whining politically correct pinhead who comes out whining about it being racist. And then when called on it, can’t explain why its racist. And, thinkingperson, the funniest part is that whining pinhead is almost always you.

Aug 23, 2009 - 3:40 pm 112. Eric Cartman:

Nothing here but frogs and trolls. This thread is done.

Aug 23, 2009 - 4:42 pm 113. who didn't got a dose ?:

112 : still an authentic idiot left

Aug 23, 2009 - 5:08 pm 114. Donna V.:

I know, I know, moho is only a leftist zit picker, but I must say, his displays of ignorance are funny:

The only people that have that moral authority, according to that same logic, would be the Arabs, Asians and Africans–and their decedents–that Europe and America screwed over. Its your logic, not mine.

Er, you mean the Arabs and Africans who were active in the slave trade for centuries? The Africans who are willing to hack other people up with machetes because they belong to different tribes? The Asians? You mean the Japanese, who forced women from all over occupied Asia into sex slavery, believe in the purity of their blood, and discriminate against the Koreans who live among them?

Racism is not a white thing, or an peculiarly American disease, although the sick self-hatred of Western leftists, coupled with their ignorance of history, makes them believe the West and America are uniquely bad.

Aug 23, 2009 - 5:38 pm 115. Donna V.:

In North America, there are two French-speaking groups; the Quebecois, and the Cajuns. You don’t want to be either.

I’ll quibble with that. Don’t know about the Quebecois, but when I was in Louisiana, I thoroughly liked the Cajuns I met – fun-loving, patriotic, and friendly people with very tasty food. I don’t hold James Carville against them:-)

Aug 23, 2009 - 5:47 pm 116. FastEddy:

” … In the 1930s anti-Semitism was on the rise in the United States; some feel this arose from Jewish devotion to socialist causes. …”

Duh !!

Being Black Irish, I get that all the time … some troll taxsucker from Los Angeles starts raising the race bait re: illegals … as if I’m the guy who is asking them to leave.

Aug 23, 2009 - 5:52 pm 117. Moho:

Donna V., I have to say being called ignorant by someone like you is an unexpected comment. Don’t think it isn’t appreciated.

The only people that have that moral authority, according to that same logic, would be the Arabs, Asians and Africans–and their decedents–that Europe and America screwed over.

Unfortunately, I’ve run out of tags, so I’m afraid there’s still a pretty good chance you may not understand it this time, either. By your logic, no Jew can complain about anti-semitism, because some Israeli Jews are involved in the racist oppression of Palestinians. Again, your logic, if it can be called that.

Aug 23, 2009 - 5:59 pm 118. AThinkingPerson:

Re:”111. Moho:

ThinkingpersonIs it my imagination or has Moho used the phrase “you people” more than once on this thread

Ha. Ha. I use it every thread.”

Like we hadn’t noticed. Go back to sleep Moho. The “you people” you keep referring to are busy trying to figure out how to clean up Obama’s mess and your constant racial overtones only slow down the process.

Aug 23, 2009 - 6:59 pm 119. Calvin Ball:

DNFTT.

Aug 23, 2009 - 7:35 pm 120. Pragmatist:

MOHO is an Israel hating antisemite dont feed the disgusting TROLL

Aug 23, 2009 - 10:18 pm 121. digitalis:

Boo hoo. Poor liitle you. The good girl of socialist parents who paraded ther “goodness” and moralising in front of all and sundry, who probably walked around in a fog of political correctness before the term was widely known to be what it is, who by your account lived a life of showing others how wonderful they were compared to the unenlightened masses, and who shoved everyone’s collective noses into the dirt as they stood on their little pedestals they created for themselves is now the victim of …..people like your parents. You sound like a red diaper baby which is the main characteristic of many in office today and of those who made the practice of scalding everyone with the term racist an everyday occurrence to suit their political agenda. Feel sorry for you? You and your parents are part of the problem: self righteous pompous asses who thought they could tell everyone what to think, feel, and say and can’t stand it when their attacks are turned against them How does it feel?

Aug 24, 2009 - 1:45 am 122. Anonymous:

Thank you Digitalis! MS Gould is a member of the GRC – Guardian Reading Classes. These are the people who infest the British media, especially the BBC. They hold opinions that are not held by the vast majority of us in the UK. They care about things we don’t. We would like them all to b****r off! We are really fed-up with millions of Pakistani peasants and meddlesome Americans living here. Go home!

And before someone says something about all the Brits living overseas – thats a problem for the countries they live in – not us.

Aug 24, 2009 - 2:01 am 123. Jackd:

mOhO, do you have job, or are you just living off of the ADC checks?

Aug 24, 2009 - 2:31 am 124. carla:

Marie Claude…..is that a boys name or a girls name? By the way, Carla is not an Italian name, but I like the I-ties. Theyre pleasant, friendly, and don’t parade around looking like they have a broomstick up their butt like the frogs. I’m from New Zealand. Got any New Zealand slurs. Here we eat people like you. Comprennez?

Moho: would you allow them to build in your backyard? I mean, is there room under the rock? You should consider visiting NZ…several of my Maori buddies have taken an interest in you. Yummy, yummy.

Aug 24, 2009 - 2:39 am 125. Marie Claude:

eh bien, ma petit Carla, peut-être que tu passes trop de temps at shoving your sheep, cuz history books seem not to be noticed in your sheep pen

I guess that “the piano lesson” was only a romantic scenario, that can’t resist to a trivial reality

New-Zeelanders aren’t like you, (I have met plenty, and my son travelled there)you’re the “scum”

Aug 24, 2009 - 3:01 am 126. carla:

Marie Claude: That was pretty feeble. Your French is, shall we say, wanting. Please visit NZ again. I’m sure you would be delicious, although a bit stringy and tough. We are used to that.

Aug 24, 2009 - 4:23 am 127. Marie Claude:

Melle Carla, then why did you need to insult the first place ? d’ya think we comply ? que nenni !!!

might be we would have good laughs behind a nice drink !

Aug 24, 2009 - 6:38 am 128. Now and Then:

This from tommy gunn at another post:
“To any sane person who took the time to look, Obama’s flaws were entirely obvious at the start. Yes he is black. Duh! ”

The first thing you mention about “Obama’s flaws” is his race. And you’re sick of being called a racist? BTW, bin Laden is sick of being called a terrorist. Duh!

Aug 24, 2009 - 7:22 am 129. federale86:

Accusations are the first refuge of the scoundrel.

Aug 24, 2009 - 9:50 am 130. Moho:

The “you people” you keep referring to are busy trying to figure out how to clean up Obama’s mess and your constant racial overtones only slow down the process.

Wasn’t it you people that triggered this mess by voting for Bush twice? Or did you forget the economy tanked while he was at the helm. Oh well, surely it wasn’t his fault.

Aug 24, 2009 - 10:33 am 131. goy:

@130. Moho: – Wasn’t it you people that triggered this mess by voting for Bush twice?

No. You’re thinking of Al Gore’s pathetic inability TO CARRY HIS OWN HOME STATE in the 2000 Election. Had he been able to do that, it wouldn’t have mattered whether we voted for Bush or not.

And the economy slowed and then contracted immediately following the Democrat sweep of Congress. Up until early 2007 the economy was growing and supporting record tax revenue pointing toward a balanced budget by mid-2008.

Aug 24, 2009 - 1:23 pm 132. Moho:

Had he been able to do that, it wouldn’t have mattered whether we voted for Bush or not.

I hope someone puts this on your tombstone. Either that, or “whatever I did, it wasn’t my fault”. Its the logical center of your entire movement.

Aug 24, 2009 - 1:44 pm 133. goy:

@132. Moho: – I hope…

Your hope is irrelevant.

As I say, I (we) can’t really take credit for preventing the untold damage an Al Gore presidency would have wrought on this nation.

Gore gets the credit for that: even his own home state wouldn’t support him.

And conservatism isn’t a “movement”. It’s an established reality without which your pathetic life would have no purpose whatsoever.

Aug 24, 2009 - 2:25 pm 134. marla:

MoHo. YoYo. You still living with your parents or are you back in rehab…?

Best regards,
Dr. Jim

Aug 24, 2009 - 2:47 pm 135. Moho:

Dr. Jim–>Nope. But I am still doing your mother on weekends.

Aug 24, 2009 - 4:00 pm 136. digitalis:

#135. Moho: “But I am still doing your mother on weekends.” ??
Normally I don’t get involved in the cat fights on these forums but Moho – you really are the personification of all you pretend not to be. Do you realize that? If you want to make an argument that is valid and supports your assertions, you must try to sound less like a flaming arsehole. That rule should be paramount. You are hilariously entertaining! Now. Take your meds and call again in the morning.

Aug 24, 2009 - 4:45 pm 137. Moho:

The Pajamas Poster named Still Bill isn’t tired of it. He must love being called a racist.

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-blindness-of-the-israeli-intellectual-left/#comment-12

Let’s face it. Goats have done more for Gaza through their fertilizing excrement than the stupid people who claim to be Palestinians have done. If the so-called Palestinians can’t compete with goat shit, they are in deep do-do.

Now, there’s a racist who stands tall and proud. You don’t see him whining about being called a racist. An example for all of you; you’d at least gain a modicum of respect. Right now, racists who hide behind manufactured disdain at being called racists evoke as much pity as one feels after stepping into a pile of dog poo. You don’t feel sorry for the poo, fellas, you feel sorry for your shoe.

Aug 24, 2009 - 4:50 pm 138. Moho:

Digitalis: I don’t pretend to be anything. I hate stupid people. I hate them more when they’re flushing my country down the tubes. I don’t pretend to be a better person, not at all. I’m someone who’s taken the time to read the paper every day so that I don’t fall for some of the asinine crap that passes for political discourse in this country. And I do that because I value my vote, and I value the freedom of others enough to know what I’m supporting. You people are criminally ignorant.

And in any case, this is the comment I responded to:

MoHo. YoYo. You still living with your parents or are you back in rehab…?

Best regards,
Dr. Jim

I wouldn’t be surprised if you thought you could argue that this comment deserved any other sort of response, because some of the insane crap I’ve read coming from you and others is equally unbelievable.

Aug 24, 2009 - 4:54 pm 139. digitalis:

Moho: Stupid people are people who think others are stupid. I don’t think you are stupid. Only disturbed. Have a great day!

Aug 24, 2009 - 5:41 pm 140. Calvin Ball:

Jeezuz freezuz, will somebody put the troll out?

Aug 24, 2009 - 6:37 pm 141. jack:

For all of you racsist spewing liberals. Look in the mirror. It has been your party that has restricted the black community. You may truely believe your hypocracy, but that doesnt make it true. Go to the black republican website and see the true pioneers of the black community. You will recognize their names. They understood and excelled because they believed in the American way before they had complete equal rights.
Then google a great article by Larry Elder. He tells the true story behind the republican party and the direct correlation between the republican party and the rise of equality for the black community.
It was the republican party who stood strong for African Americans. And it is still the party who treats all races on a even playing field. If you do not treat all men and women equal by their qualities, achievements, and character then you are doing anyone of them an injustice. Or as you believe, if you didn’t than that person would be a racsist.
So when you believe you a helping the African American community with Affirmative Action policies. You are telling them they are subbordinate. I tell all my employees to live the dream. You make the dream come true. That is the American dream. Black, White, Hispanic, Etc all have that ability to dream and strive for it. Stop telling them they need your help and they will achieve and prosper.

Aug 24, 2009 - 8:02 pm 142. incitatus:

Americans have been beaten and demoralized into submission by the brainwashing on white guilt they have received in school since kindergarten. Plus society’s pier pressure aided by the entertainment industry and you end up with hysterical, insecure and terrified Americans who could not give a damn less if they are called thieves, liars, adulterers, incestuous degenerates, etc. That rubs off on them like dust on a CD. But the minute they are called Racist! They fall apart like a banana crate made in China.

Aug 25, 2009 - 6:21 am 143. frank grimes:

moho:”The Pajamas Poster named Still Bill isn’t tired of it. He must love being called a racist”

so what…anyone can post here.if you’re too sensitve then scurry back to dkos or firedoglake to wring your hands and have a group pity party.

Aug 25, 2009 - 9:05 am 144. Moho:

Frank Grimes: Nope. Didn’t bother me. Just pointing out how much of the posting space is devoted to that kind of crap. Its you people publishing an article every day about how cruel the world is calling you “racist” and all. This place is full of that kind of garbage, and yet the only trolls you can perceive are people advocating health care reform. Classic bs.

Aug 25, 2009 - 9:13 am 145. Shaun:

And anyone who questions Israel is called anti-semite.

Aug 25, 2009 - 10:21 am 146. Cheese-eating surrender monkey:

This is for Marie:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiR_a34EtOU&feature=email

Aug 25, 2009 - 11:07 am 147. JFM:

And anyone who questions Israel is called anti-semite

Not an antisemite, a NAZI. Tell; me how many times you have questionned Sudan for its genocide towards Blacks (Niggers in your language) and the Arab countries for supporting it? Tell me how much time you have spent supporting Sudan’s Blacks and how much supporting people who try to blow up maternities full of Jewish babies and tell openly taht tehy want to finish Adolf’s work? Now I have more esteem for Nazis in brwonshirts than for people like you: at least they have the c..s to tell what they are, you and your likes add hypocrisy to infamy.

Aug 25, 2009 - 11:10 am 148. Cheese-eating surrender monkey:

And this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zwNazFg_-Y&feature=related

Aug 25, 2009 - 11:17 am 149. frank grimes:

moho:”Just pointing out how much of the posting space is devoted to that kind of crap”

very little and you know it..(i have run into about three since april)so point out all this rampant racism,if you please.

and i rag on ALL trolls ,especially the bigots AND the chicken hawk cowards flapping on about violent means.

you should be glad this site isn’t strictly moderated anyway,what would you do with all your time without being able to harangue posters at PJM?

Aug 25, 2009 - 4:34 pm 150. Moho:

147 another example of an uncontested and disgusting piece of racism. No rebuttals, on a page full of angry protests against trolls. None of the trolls, of course, are people like JFM. They’re right at home. I took another screen shot of this.

Aug 25, 2009 - 4:45 pm 151. frank grimes:

150.moho:if you think that post was RACCCCCIST!!!111 then never mind,i am flummuxed to say the least.

ease of the emo…..moho,it clouds your ability to rationalize.

Aug 25, 2009 - 6:39 pm 152. Moho:

Keep it up Frank Grimes. I’m taking notes.

Aug 25, 2009 - 10:39 pm 153. Marie Claude:

148 et 146
basic idioty, suffit de voir tes réferrences,
cuz the Beam culture = Sun = your mental

tiens, prends ça :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_v9IrI04h0

note that Renaud’s texts are more elaborated than your referrences

Aug 26, 2009 - 11:00 am 154. frank grimes:

152.moho:keep tilting at windmills,i’m eating an apple.

be sure to write that down.(it is a kind of fruit)

Aug 26, 2009 - 12:08 pm 155. Paul J:

Adina Kutnicki:
‘Guilty’..!! To anyone who has experinced real racism your opinions are extremely offensive. Your view is one dimensional and sinister.

Sep 7, 2009 - 1:44 pm 156. catherine:

what you start off with is noting how great liberals your parents are, but that is not your story. i am not calling you a racist. however, i am calling you out on misleading the reader to believe that your parents accomplishments and life choices have anything to do with who YOU are as a person. your choices weigh out who you are, your views, and how you are viewed. i commend your folks, but sweetie, where does the line connect between their choices and you? do they think for you? do you expect to win a round of applause based on their hard work? do you wish to bear a gold metal upon your chest for such lovely parents? i hope not. try proving your point by proving who you are not where your parents stood.

Sep 10, 2009 - 12:13 pm 157. marto:

most liberals fall into this guilt ridden need to display their social ‘free love’ lifestyle like a a white flag. racist are those hell bent on trying to demean the ‘minority’ by telling him he cannot go out and get it himself and here let me hand it to you. its placing the ‘liberal’ wing nuts above those they help. you are feeding into it by all these handouts and devaluing human life. you teach them that they are incapable and cannot survive without you. its wrong and disturbing. the real rascist is the man who cries out that his fellow brother cannot feed his family, but then takes from those who have instead of doing as Jesus would, and a man who values his brother would- teach him a lesson, or give him a skill, let him find his own way. let him earn his keep. this will build him up and he will be your brother in more ways than one. but to let him lay stagnant for your social agenda to prove you are more tolerant or your heart bleeds more than another and ask your brother to wait for that and out is out right destructive to his being and society. a racist waits for the opportunity to point out the bad in others and his own kind, a real man values his brother enough to let them have that freedom to pursue happiness.

Sep 10, 2009 - 12:22 pm 158. Victoria:

I am not sure what to say about your article, but I do believe that if the word has been misplaced on you then you should state it. I am an African American female who does not find pleasure in calling anyone a racist unless I have something that I find to be in regards to my race. I do not believe (like many Caucasians have stated) that the word has lost it’s meaning or affect. If that is the case then why is there always an argument. It’s not about what anyone’s ancestors did or had to go through. It is about how people are being treated now. And I agree with one of your followers it is about fear. African Americans are no longer afraid of ropes or burning wood. We realize where the hatred comes from, and believe it or not, it is being controlled by a higher being. Whether you are religious or not, everyone knows that Satan loves evil, hate, and division. It is his best way to gain control, and distract people from serving God as they should. Some minorities are just tired of the fight. Not everything is shown on television. Some of the battles are fought quietly everyday, and with no one there to view it. It will never end, and the words will continue. Though if you know and feel in your heart that you are a peaceful and just person then there is not anyone who can tell you what you are. But when you are given an opportunity, speak to someone you know who may have issues with other’s race and try to teach them differently.

I hope that helped. God Bless You.

Sep 12, 2009 - 11:25 pm 159. musicman:

People that try to hurt others with words are always insecure themselves.

Sep 23, 2009 - 12:24 pm 160. Davan S. Mani:

Have you been labeled as an anti-semite like former U.S. senator, Cynthia McKinney? If you haven’t, I think the critics are right. You have to marry or be a minority to be critical. Or be an admitted lesbian.

I can’t criticize Jews because I’m not Jewish or married to one. If I do, I will be labeled an anti-semite. The same process should go for you.

Oct 20, 2009 - 8:19 pm

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