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1. zeb:

In the words of Homer Simpson or is it grounds keeper Willy ‘those cheese eating surrender monkeys’ would not do anything to stop this wave of antisemitism. By the way, guess what the origin of the word surrender is from… it naturally from French.

Jan 10, 2009 - 12:47 am 2. Perry:

At least the French demonstrations were honestly anti-Semitic and on display for all to see (not that anyone there is offended).

Here in America, the anti-Semitism is is shrouded in a cloak of “human rights” that American liberals swallow and then regurgitate, becoming HAMAS’ useful idiots. This is likely more dangerous.

Jan 10, 2009 - 4:52 am 3. Helen:

A little unfair on those French police officers who were hurt by the Islamists, Zeb.

Jan 10, 2009 - 4:59 am 4. Craig:

“I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me.”

General George S. Patton

Jan 10, 2009 - 5:15 am 5. Marie Claude:

Zeb, the Frenchs didn’t elect Barry Husein Obama, you did, so I am wondering how you feel as a surrender monkey in your wonderland where nothing bad happen LMAO

But the Frenchs elected a jewish president

also these far-lefties that accompanied the rioters aren’t representative of the french population, last election they were ~1% and would do anything to undermine Sarkozy’s government.

also these “muslin” rioters aren’ either representative of the french population

Démographe à l’Ined et spécialiste de l’immigration, Michèle Tribalat a reconstitué à partir de ces données un tableau de la population d’origine étrangère en France (à paraître dans la revue de l’Ined, Population), le nombre d’immigrés issus de pays où l’islam est majoritaire et de leurs descendants.

Son estimation du nombre de «personnes susceptibles d’être musulmanes par filiation», dont nous avons eu la primeur, dégonfle de façon spectaculaire les chiffres «officiels»:

il n’y aurait pas en France 5 ou 6 millions, mais seulement 3,7 millions de personnes «possiblement musulmanes», dit Michèle Tribalat. Dont 1,7 million d’immigrés, autant d’enfants et un peu moins de 300 000 petits-enfants d’immigrés. Plus de 23% des habitants de l’Hexagone – près de 14 millions – sont d’origine étrangère (au moins un parent né à l’étranger): 6,9 millions viennent des pays de l’Union européenne, 3 millions du Maghreb et 700 000 d’Afrique subsaharienne.

On s’aperçoit que les Algériens et leurs descendants -1,6 million – sont moins nombreux que les Italiens et font jeu égal avec les Espagnols – 1,5 million.

Autre particularité de cette population: elle est encore très jeune. En 1999, elle était composée principalement de mineurs.

Avis aux politiques: ceux qui sont susceptibles de voter ne sont pas plus de 1,2 million. Quant à leur poids religieux, il reste encore à définir. La totalité d’entre eux ne suivent évidemment pas les prescriptions du Coran à la lettre, pas plus que tous les Italiens et leurs descendants ne sont catholiques pratiquants. Dans l’une des rares enquêtes de l’Ined sur le sujet datant de 1995, un tiers environ des musulmans potentiels se déclarent croyants et fréquentaient la mosquée régulièrement.

http://www.lexpress.fr/actualite/societe/religion/les-vrais-chiffres_494290.html

la France compte désormais 63.185.925 habitants. so how could 1,2 million persons (a feeble percentage among it are these rioters) affect the policy that 62 million don’t endorse ? zeb go back to your pallywood underworld !

I do not mean that we shouldn’t denegate the effect of these riots, I am sure that Sarkozy tood the right initiatives per so, though in our global world we can’t cut down the satellits TV channels from Al Jazeera propagandists, (I’m sure that’s also the problem in the US, just that we ought to be prepared to contain their manipulated mobs

Jan 10, 2009 - 6:18 am 6. Frank:

What are we to expect from France? This is news? French police won’t even go into certain neighborhoods around Paris. The Islamists own them. No surprise here.

Jan 10, 2009 - 6:18 am 7. Marie Claude:

Craig, oh yess, your familiar with Patton, he never said that BTW, but oh :

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that’s why CIA couldn’t see 9/11 happening, LMAO

Jan 10, 2009 - 7:13 am 8. Marie Claude:

Frank, chek your anti-jihadists favorite blogs, there are MUCH MORE problems at your home

Jan 10, 2009 - 7:15 am 9. AnninCA:

I think it’s probably good that we’re seeing who and what the protests are really about.

The myth that it’s people sympathetic to the Palestinian mothers and children needs a reality check.

This is nothing but anti-semitism. That’s nothing new.

Jan 10, 2009 - 9:01 am 10. Jay Lee:

It is intersting that any time an American tries to join any conversation that is the least bit critical of eurobrits, the discussion degenerates into a list of everything wrong with America. Do any of you think for yourselves?

Jan 10, 2009 - 9:40 am 11. John Rosenthal:

This is certainly no place to be engaging in generic French-bashing and denigrating all the French as “cheese eating surrender monkeys.” You have here an extraordinarily useful report exposing the extremism of the pro-Palestinian movement in France: written by a Frenchman for *your* benefit and in *your* language (Americans) no less. I can tell you that for a French academic to publish such a report on a notoriously “right-wing” American site shows exceptional integrity and real courage. Bravo to PJM for publishing this report. And bravo to Jean-Yves Camus for writing it.

Jan 10, 2009 - 9:47 am 12. John B:

Come on folks, did we not learn anything about Muslims and Islam on 9-11-01?

Seems to me the only thing Muslims hate more than America, is Israel. Their behavior is absolutely barbaric. Even the native born Arabs holds no love or loyalty to the land where they were born.

It’s a problem of assimilation, but the good professor has already written an essay on that topic regarding the Mexican, but the same applies to the Arab immigrant. Without assimilation, the melting pot won’t work and these people will never truly become Americans,,, or French, as the case may be.

Jan 10, 2009 - 9:53 am 13. ely:

so? your point is? remember sharon bombed arafat to death, he was thier way out, now it is hamas, deal with it

Jan 10, 2009 - 10:05 am 14. susan:

marieclaude, don’t assume that everybody here is stupid.

sarkozy is not jew, he might be of jewish descent (1 /4) but he is not a jew.

secondly I visited paris and london many times and while the dhimmification of england is more evident, I suppose that you fvenchies are just better in hiding your problems. There is no virtual difference in the number of burka women in london than paris.

The uk might have problems with muslims from asia, but nobody really thinks that the algerians or moroccans or tunisians are much better.

Wasn’t in fwance that a jew kid was brutally tortured and killed by some muslims screaming koran verses while murdering him and it all happened among the press total indifference?

Jan 10, 2009 - 10:09 am 15. James:

MARIE CLAUDE: I think people go too far calling the French cowards and characterizing them as people quick to surrender. For centuries prior to the last 150, years France was the dominant European military power and widely feared. No cowards were found in Bonaparte’s Le Grande Armie. With that said, something has changed in the French psyche. The demonstrations that took place in Paris could have never occurred in a place like Dallas. In fact, I would be very suprised if such violent demonstrators could have gotten away with their antics in very liberal American cities like New York or San Francisco. Surely, in the historically Democrat stronghold of Boston you would have seen legions of “Blue Collar” folk flooding the streets to crack some protestor heads. My point is this: when Americans see the French allowing such hatred and nonsense we can only conclude that the French have given up on themselves. The average Frenchman on the street is scared to stand up against the protestors and fanatics. When I see Muslims and communists hand in hand, rioting in the heart of Paris, burning cars, screaming slogans of death, while the police and the French people stand meekly by, I cannot help but think that the French have given up on themselves.

Jan 10, 2009 - 10:28 am 16. Former Belgian:

susan: Nicolas Sarkozy is indeed “just a quarter-Jew”. But France did in the past have at least two “full-blooded” Jews as heads of government: Léon Blum and Pierre Mendès-France. (René Mayer may be the third.) In addition, Laurent Fabius had a Jewish father and self-identified as Jewish.

I will be the last to belittle the serious dangers facing French (and to a lesser extent Belgian) Jews — I myself immigrated to Israel in part because I started to see the writing on the wall some time ago.

However, facts are facts.

Jan 10, 2009 - 10:46 am 17. susan:

yes facts are facts and france never elected a jewish PRESIDENT, a prime minister is not a president.

however i do not take that into great consideration as well as i do not care that kennedy was catholic, zerobama is black or any other is mormon. It doesn’t prove anything about the population attitude.

Sometimes jews are their biggest enemies. Just today Naomi Klein (another jew) is asking for a israel boycott.

when you have such friends who needs enemies?

Jan 10, 2009 - 11:19 am 18. Marie Claude:

funny how the things are always the same when ones learn already from their prime age how fvench cowards we are.

susan, I expect that you unvolontary wrote fvenchies or fwance, your supposedly Brit, according to your quotations, I suppose, therefore you prefer to write it down alike as we are Untermenschen LMAO

Ne vous déplaises chère Madame, but Assimilation in France goes better than in your blessed country, see what Mr MC Carthy wrote :

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NWIwM2RmYjM2YzNiYjY4M2EyNjI4NzUyNDRlNjdlODI=

and I agree with Mr Kepel’s lecture of it, but do not share his political obedience

as for Sarkozy, being a quarteron, hey, that’s not knowing that his mama was a full jew, her papa made it, ok, in jewish religion, he doesn’t count, though the education was there, then he is 1/2 jew, and by Hitler’s standards, he would have been good enough to rejoin his death camps :

Nicolas Sarkozy is the son of an aristocratic Hungarian immigrant father, Pál Sárközy de Nagy-Bócsa(Hungarian: nagybócsai Sárközy Pál ; some sources spell it Nagy-Bócsay Sárközy Pál; Hungarian pronunciation (help·info) [nɒɟ͡ʝboːt͡ʃɒi ʃaːrkøzi paːl]), and a mother of French Catholic and Greek-Sephardic Jewish descent, Andrée Mallah. His Greek-born grandfather, Benico Mallah (former Aaron Mallah), was a physician from Thessaloniki. Benico, who left for France to become a doctor, was the son of Mordechai Mallah, one of the eight sons of Aaron Mallah, founder of the Rabbinical School of Thessaloniki.

your refering to Alimi murder, tell me if this is happening every day, and how many since Israel exists… you see, I am fwench, therefore too lazy to check how many jews were murdered on UK’s soil or in the US’, or in the world wide’s… but I am trusting your diligence, none !!! only in fwance, am I so stupid not to marck that !!!

Jan 10, 2009 - 11:34 am 19. Marie Claude:

James thanks for your empathy,

though I am trying to bring some complements, Since Napoleon’s wars, (that foreign people know the most, I suppose because Napoleon was a big threat to the Anglo-Saxons ) France made her important colonial conquests (so did the Brits) ; in between, there was Crimea war, that we won, the Brits were our alliees in that one, but were soon overwhelmed with deseases, their unprepared bataillons were eliminated in front of Russians guerillas, while ours benefited from the later conquest wars in north Africa, could achieve the job.

WW1 won, WW2 won (ok, not alone, but without our resistance, none of the Alliees could have made it) Algeria war won, (ok, Algeria got her independance, due to the referandum, when 70 % of the french population voted for the abandon of Algeria)

Jan 10, 2009 - 11:48 am 20. lgkick:

Defending palestinians is not equal to Islamism the same way that criticizing Israel does not equal hatred for jews. For how long you zionist propagandists want to repeat your mistakes. 60 years after the establishment of Israel, you are still fighting rock-throwing teenagers who are upgrading their rocks to rockets. This is your last chance to learn from your mistakes. You are not serving Israel by defending its dreadful policies against defensless populations. You are in fact contributing to its destruction or its unhappy and miserable existence for another decade or two.

Jan 10, 2009 - 11:49 am 21. Marie Claude:

fine susan, we have no jewish president, how da you explain that Israel welcomes him so good, bad a… !!!

Jan 10, 2009 - 11:52 am 22. susan:

“susan, I expect that you unvolontary wrote fvenchies or fwance, your supposedly Brit”

no marie claire, it might come to a shock to your massive fwench ego, but brits and americans are not the only ones hating you. You have this peculiar attitude of looking down on everything and everybody, therefore you reap what you sow.

I could predict that you would have come out with something as stupid as “your refering to Alimi murder, tell me if this is happening every day, and how many since Israel exists…”

It’s still one more dead than the majority of european countries with jewish communities. It’s really pointless to compare with a country of 300 millions and the few i remember were all performed by muslims.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2683783.stm

French Jews leave with no regrets

(it is evident that the better integrated muslims are just a fragment of your imagination)

I do not believe there can be an “integrated muslim”. The majority is simply waiting to get on with the numbers. Their goal will always be the caliphate and establishment of some sort of sharia law. If you want to stay deluded that’s your problem. And I repeat that the IQ of moroccans and algerians is not higher than pakistanis or bengals.

The countries that might be willing to do something are the former warsaw pact countries, they lack the political correctness and they fear to be under another slavery since they’ve been under communism for too many years, and probably are more interested in self-preservation than western europeans.

But at least americans (and I am not american or living in usa) are ARMED.

Jan 10, 2009 - 12:04 pm 23. susan:

“fine susan, we have no jewish president, how da you explain that Israel welcomes him so good, bad a… !!!”

as if it matters… israelis are civilized people. I suppose they would never throw stones even at the iranian president. I am not following the ratings of your president in israel but he was the one issuing a press statement calling israel’s actions “disproportionate”.

You see, it doesn’t really matter if he’s 1/4 jewish or half jewish. In tunis (or morocco, I do not remember) there was a prime minister that was jew. Big achievement? no, of course he’s a sell-out jew, as a matter of fact he speaks of israel like any other muslim.

USA could elect a jew as president and it wouldn’t change a thing, if he’s republican, he’s pro-israel, if he’s democrat, he’s against it.

So it doesn’t really matter.

Jan 10, 2009 - 12:14 pm 24. view from afar:

Marie Claude, you are NOT going to win with me, I am an American living in the Soutwest of France, I believe Susan is Italian (?). Doesn’t this article explique tout seul, la raison pour l’attaque au Bagetelle à Toulouse? Si vous n’êtes pas encore aux courants, il y avait une voiture qui s’explosé juste devant le synagoue, et il y avait une autre plein d’autre engines explosives trouvées pas loin, avec le moteur qui tourné encore, la porte du chauffeur grande ouverte…désolée ma ville natale aux Etats-Unis est l’équivilant de Toulouse (twin cities), et je n’ai jamias entendu de même style de violence. France n’est pas plus tolerante des étrangères, malgré son amour propre pour cette idée nées dans les années 20-30, quand les noires n’était pas acceptés aux Etats Unis dans les arts…il y a eu beaucoup de l’eau sous le pont Madame, et je regrette, je trouve que cést inadmissible que l’information en France est si pro Arabe, en plus qu’il y a les problemes ailleurs, ne justify pas de tout que la France gare les siennes….
For everyone else, let’s say that this article, which I haven’t seen reported here in France, explains why someone drove one car into a synagogue in Toulouse (which is the equivilant to the Twin Cities, Minn), and left another running full of explosive devices not too far away…either thursday or friday of this last week…thank you for letting the truth out.

Jan 10, 2009 - 12:21 pm 25. Marie Claude:

view from afar,

yeah, right, but is France alone with such attempts at the moment ? sorry, but all the papers, even the conservative blogs were saying that such events happened in most of the european countries that host muslim immigration

Jan 10, 2009 - 12:27 pm 26. zeb:

Helen and John Rosenthal, I agree you have got a point and I also think Jean-Yuves Camus article is a well thought out and excellent report.

Well, as for the comments of Marie Claude (comment 5) your first sentence gives the game away. That is why America is great and the most democratic nation on earth.

Jan 10, 2009 - 12:33 pm 27. Marie Claude:

susan again, funny how you would like that the things are really what you want :

Mr Ariel Sharon when he was in charge of Irael government made an aggressive advertising in France, who has the biggest jewish colony apart the US (hey, the french people managed to save lots of them, apparently, more than in any other EU country), for jewish to rejoin Israel, money was given to the candidates, free home for a few months too, but problem, those secular jews that had a job in France couldn’t find the equivalency in Israel, even no job at all, and their children had to attend religious schools while in France they had the habit of public schools, then, among those wo tempted their chance, but fail, he, they came back to France where, bizarrely they feel like being at home.

What is not said, is that it was a disguised maneuver to repopulate Israel, even there the people don’t make enough children, while their arab neighbours are prolific

so, you missed one more waggon, partisanship doesn’t reflect the objective truth I am afraid, I don’t care if your holding me with whatever quality or unquality, that’s not my purpose to endorse falsh interpretations, sorry, I’ll be on your way, when necessary !!!!

good luck with your pwopagawda !!!!

http://www.clevelandjewishnews.com/articles/2004/07/21/news/israel/zafrance0720.txt

Jan 10, 2009 - 12:48 pm 28. Marie Claude:

susan

oh, I fowgot :

http://www.time.com/time/columnist/karon/article/0,9565,671180,00.html

Jan 10, 2009 - 12:50 pm 29. Marie Claude:

Zeb, good for you then, but for how long ???

Jan 10, 2009 - 1:20 pm 30. jonesy55:

Marie Claude,

Don’t worry about Susan, she is beyond reason. Her hatred for France is only eclipsed by her hatred for the UK and muslims.

Of course Italy is perfect and she worships the US, nothing can be wrong in those two countries, lol.

Jan 10, 2009 - 1:41 pm 31. tino:

The plague is spreading and it’s called islam. Il n’y que la verite qui blesse.

Jan 10, 2009 - 1:57 pm 32. susan:

if i am so much beyond reason, why jonesy chamberlain you cannot bring up a decent counter-argument to me or to the many other people that call you delusional in your neverending defense of the indefensible?

if i am beyond reason LOL as you say, it should be easy for a normally intelligent person (not that i suppose you are) to reply with subjects instead of insults.

I am not the only one that challenges your usual absurdities, but you seem to be particularly threatened by me, it must be because you don’t have any intelligent reply to bring other than desperately going around finding “allies” since your replies don’t stand on their legs.

Can you please quote anywhere where i said italy is perfect or I worship the usa?

it sounds really desperate of you to make up stuff with no reason. Just because you don’t have any valid subject but all you can do is playing the bleeding hearted liberal with holier than thou attitude do not blame others.

and LOL, see you at the next thread where a dozen people call you out on your made up stories.

Jan 10, 2009 - 2:38 pm 33. mohammedan:

31. susan:
So you are a jew and that makes you think that supporting Israel is an obligation you have to bear. Pathetic looser. Though you want to promote the fallacy that Anti-zionists= Anti semitism. You cannot succeed. because Zionism is evil and judaism is not. the world sympathized with jews after the holocaust and recognized the need for a jewish homeland. But to join that with what is happening in Israel today is at best being dishonest. For your information there are a lot of jews within and outside Israel that are against what is happening. They are a better people than people like you can ever be.

Jan 10, 2009 - 3:03 pm 34. Cat:

Can’t people face there is a problem here. The Muslims are taking over France and Europe. If they haven’t taken it over yet. Let’s not forget how France opened their borders and now it is too late to close it. I don’t blame the jews to get out of France. I would do the same.

Jan 10, 2009 - 3:15 pm 35. The Great Mr Pineapples:

If you poke a lion with a stick..guess what happens?

He bites your arse clean off.

And here we have these stupid feckless lunatics firing rockets into Israel – intending to kill innocent civilians – and we are supposed to blame Israel?

What a load of krapulation.

Gaza voted for Hamas – and this is what they are reaping – death, destruction and ruin…..

Fools

Jan 10, 2009 - 3:22 pm 36. The Great Mr Pineapples:

Oh – and the French are the most petulant bunch of babies in Europe.

Jan 10, 2009 - 3:23 pm 37. Andrew Ian Dodge:

France is not just the “Isle of France” where Paris is just like the US is not just NYC & LA. I agree that this is an excellent piece.

Jan 10, 2009 - 4:03 pm 38. Marie Claude:

woah, here we go, a pinehead is advocating of being a brave lion domptor, hey, we all know that the italians like to weave their own tale of bravery, though, they really are brave in comedia del arte, their foreigner popes not included of course, nor their mafiosi godfather… oops, nor some of their beautiful women, ie Carla !!! LMAO

French First Lady Carla Bruni said she was happy no longer to be an Italian citizen after Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi joked about US President-elect Barack Obama being “suntanned.”

Italy is the most racist country in EU, the black footballers get bananas during matches and all the possible worse jokes, aka botoxed Berlu’s…

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,1798795,00.html

Jan 10, 2009 - 4:42 pm 39. Rema:

To #5 Marie Claude. Sarkosy’s grandfather was Jewish, which means that he’s one quarter Jewish. He’s not totally Jewish.

Jan 10, 2009 - 4:48 pm 40. Battlecat:

I wonder if the Europeans are enjoying the Muslim riots? There are more of them each year, and they are increasingly violent.

Jan 10, 2009 - 4:58 pm 41. Marie Claude:

Rema, OK, then his mother whose first name was Mallah, which also appears to be the name of his grand-father isn’t jewish ?
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Battlecat, because the actuality, to which they are sensibilised, is also becoming more violent each year

Jan 10, 2009 - 5:59 pm 42. shmuel:

Jews are leaving France in droves because of the harassment by the Muslims. People who lived there for centuries. France cannot protect them. It is getting bad in UK as well.

Jan 10, 2009 - 8:08 pm 43. Former Belgian:

Sarkozy’s maternal grandfather was indeed a Greek Jew (hence the mother’s family name Mallah). His maternal grandmother, to the best of my knowledge, was not.

Susan: which is more important, president (head of state) or prime minister (head of government)? In the US, the President is both at once: in most countries, the head of state (president, king, queen,…) is a mostly ceremonial figurehead and the head of government actually in charge. In France, this was more or less the situation when Leon Blum, mendes-France, and Rene Mayer were PMs. When De Gaulle created the Fifth Republic, he expanded the powers of his own/the presidency to the point where they rival those of the POTUS.

Of course France is not unique in having had Jewish heads of the executive branch. The UK had Benjamin Disraeli (nominally a convert to Anglicanism), New Zealand had Julius Vogel in the 19th Century, Italy had Sidney Sonnino (half-Jewish) at one point,…

But I totally agree that I would rather have a pro-Israel gentile in charge than a Jewish “house n-word”. Much of the mess in the Britishb mandate of “Palestine” started with a Jewish High Commissioner (Herbert Samuel) bending over backwards for the Arabs to defuse accusations of partiality. (Mind you, Samuel was no “self-hating Jew”, just vulnerable.)

Jan 10, 2009 - 11:40 pm 44. bostonbruce:

It evolved into a bizarre cult advocating return to Africa
So do it!

Jan 10, 2009 - 11:47 pm 45. Battlecat:

Not just in the UK and France, shmuel. Muslims are destroying Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Belgium, and the Netherlands, too.

Marie Claude, das macht doch keinen Sinn. Muslime sind fuer ihre eigene Gewalt verantvortlich. Egal wohin sich Muslime in die Welt verbreiten, gibt es zunehmend islamische Gewalt, Hass und Angriffe an Juden und juedische Institutionen. Die Gewalt faellt nicht wie vom Himmel, und sie steigt nicht wegen einer “actuality.” Die Gewalt steigt wegen Muslimen.

Jan 10, 2009 - 11:52 pm 46. Frog:

Marie Claude
I understand that even 25% Jewish is too much for you. Sad to see there are still some persons still hold such views in France these days. You belong to a growing minority in this country, joining far right and far left with extreme Moslems by their sole common denominator: Judeophobia.

Pretending to demonstrate out of concern for the Arabs of Palestine is a fallacy: who demonstrated when Hussein of Jordan expelled the PLO in a bloodbath in 1970? When Assad Sr. butchered a whole camp in Hama in 1982? When the Lebanese army massacred many hundreds (or thousands) last year in Naher el Barad?

Jan 11, 2009 - 1:23 am 47. The Great Mr Pineapples:

Come now Marie Claude – dont have a pop at the italians; ‘cos you’re coming across a bit racisit there me olde fruit. And don’t be so sarcastic either – it makes you seem like a bit of an idiot.

Free Advice From The P.

What happened in your life to make you so bitter? Was your arse hosited onto a raw pineapple?

If so

Get down the doctors real quick.

Jan 11, 2009 - 1:27 am 48. jonesy55:

“I wonder if the Europeans are enjoying the Muslim riots? There are more of them each year, and they are increasingly violent.”

?? Do you have any evidence for this??

Race riots in the UK peaked in the early 1980s, since then they are very rare.

Supposedly ‘muslim’ riots in Paris actually involved muslim and non-muslim kids in the deprived suburbs and had very little if anything to do with religion. Are the current riots in Greece anything to do with muslims, no. You are talking about things of which you have no understanding.

Jan 11, 2009 - 1:27 am 49. The Great Mr Pineapples:

Hey

and what on God’s earth is a “domptor”?

i need to know this for my next book

Jan 11, 2009 - 1:28 am 50. Frog:

In addition the John Rosenthal’s above comment, note that French media is keeping a quasi-silence regarding many if not most of the facts that Jean-Yves Camus reports here.

And, on many articles French media publish on the Gaza operation, comments are closed – due to a torrent of Antisemitic, Judeophobic comments. A few, albeit heavily moderated, still contain some hair-raising terms.

Jan 11, 2009 - 1:38 am 51. susan:

Marie Claude, if you bothered to look any italian magazine or newswires, we are more than happy to get rid of airheads like carla bruni, we don’t know what to do with stupid bimbos like her. So good riddance, and please keep her closed in paris, she was never italian in the first place because her family being a supporter of fascism she had to leave after fascism fall.

So keep this high-society prostitute (because that’s what we think of her), it makes a good pair with the other useless french women who sold themselves to hitler back in the days.

and PS: restrain from writing in broken italian, the fact that it’s full of mistakes doesn’t make you look “intelligent” (which you are not at all BTW)

Italy is the most racist country? said by a racist french “woman”? so you compare throwing bananas with murdering a jew among the french indifference?

Now jew is tortured in italy nowadays but maybe you don’t understand the difference.

Jan 11, 2009 - 2:58 am 52. susan:

former belgian

“Susan: which is more important, president (head of state) or prime minister (head of government)?”

I don’t care. This wasn’t the point. I was replying to a stupid french writing lies.

Jan 11, 2009 - 3:01 am 53. susan:

jonesy chamberlain as usual talks without knowing anything

If your check your pravda news you will find out that jews have been sent to hospitals very recently. Not that you care, we know…

Muslim unrest in the UK?

http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/060525/2006052507.html

http://ezinearticles.com/?Tension-on-British-Streets:-Muslim-Unrest&id=447714

And it’s not the 1980

“Supposedly ‘muslim’ riots in Paris actually involved muslim and non-muslim kids in the deprived suburbs and had very little if anything to do with religion.”

They were screaming allah akbar, but in your silly brain it had nothing to do with religion, care to bring evidence that there were also poor vietnamese or poor armenians there?

“We are in a state of civil war, orchestrated by radical Islamists,” said Michel Thoomis, secretary general of the Action Police trade union. “This is not a question of urban violence any more. It is an intifada, with stones and firebombs.”

The French Interior Ministry has acknowledged the Muslim uprising. The ministry said more than 2,500 police officers have been injured in 2006. This amounts to at least 14 officers each day.

Go on entertaining us with lies and wrong consideration.

Just because you are blind and oblivious, it doesn’t mean that the rest of us are.

Jan 11, 2009 - 3:12 am 54. susan:

oh and mohamed, i am not jew but you are still the adorerer of a pedophile rapist, don’t forget it, we established this in the other thread

Jan 11, 2009 - 3:12 am 55. susan:

oh and jonesy chamnberlain

antisemitic attacks are on the rise in your country

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-433030/Wave-hatred-warning-attacks-Jews-hits-record-high.html

Jan 11, 2009 - 3:17 am 56. Marie Claude:

shmuel:

it’s not what are saying the articles that I provided above

Jan 11, 2009 - 5:19 am 57. Marie Claude:

Battlecat, “das macht doch keinen Sinn. Muslime sind fuer ihre eigene Gewalt verantvortlich. Egal wohin sich Muslime in die Welt verbreiten, gibt es zunehmend islamische Gewalt, Hass und Angriffe an Juden und juedische Institutionen. Die Gewalt faellt nicht wie vom Himmel, und sie steigt nicht wegen einer “actuality.” Die Gewalt steigt wegen Muslimen.”

einverstandlisch, yetz, die haben so geworden wenn die soviets kaputt gegangen haben (mein Deutsch muss moehr “practice” bekommen lol !!!)

Jan 11, 2009 - 5:27 am 58. Marie Claude:

Frog
I understand that even 25% Jewish is too much for you. Sad to see there are still some persons still hold such views in France these days. You belong to a growing minority in this country, joining far right and far left with extreme Moslems by their sole common denominator: Judeophobia.

my dear frog, by any chance did you follow my contents on a few other american right-wings blogs ? you’ll see that most of the time my responses concern “french bashing”, where the frenchs are hold as the “evilests” on this earth ; the persons that operate on these kind of sites are practicing a peculiar “truth” that was professed in the neocon spheres and peculiar religious as “christians-zionists” by Kristol

an exterpt :

There are different kinds of truths for different kinds of people. There are truths appropriate for children; truths that are appropriate for students; truths that are appropriate for educated adults; and truths that are appropriate for highly educated adults, and the notion that there should be one set of truths available to everyone is a modern democratic fallacy. It doesn’t work.

and your supputations that the 25 % jewishness of Sarkozy are too much for me is also a witness that your practicing the kind of “truh” of Kristol lectures

I voted for Sarkozy

Pretending to demonstrate out of concern for the Arabs of Palestine is a fallacy: who demonstrated when Hussein of Jordan expelled the PLO in a bloodbath in 1970? When Assad Sr. butchered a whole camp in Hama in 1982? When the Lebanese army massacred many hundreds (or thousands) last year in Naher el Barad?

yeah, right, you don’t want to read the “objective truths” that I provided in a few links above, ie the NR’s

there isn’t only your kristollian understanding of the evenments;;; even Kristol says that there are truths for different ages, different educated people, different races… though I understood in this dilemn that you hold the frenchs as the race that is responsible of all the evilness that your complaining for

Jan 11, 2009 - 5:49 am 59. Marie Claude:

pineaple, are you so blind ? so far we are not the been pointed as the “racists” in EU, only by the “neocons” and alikes, cause of the de Gaulle “arab policy”, any question ?

bitter, me ? not at all, I’m just responding to insults
racist, me ? not at all, I have friends in the world wide,
I used to love Italy, but not the Berlu’s one

dompteur : ammaestratore

Jan 11, 2009 - 6:03 am 60. Marie Claude:

#50, what are you talking about ? I have the 24h/TV on, and it is only question of this conflict that poisons our every-day life

Jan 11, 2009 - 6:07 am 61. Marie Claude:

jonesy55, your right, the very racism on this board is showing off with susan and alikes

Jan 11, 2009 - 6:10 am 62. susan:

marie claude this is a forum for american conservatives, we do not care about the coward fwenchies coming here to defend their “honor”. Quite arrogant of you, give it up, you are not the center of the universe as you believe. The grandeur is a concept that is so passe. France is a totally irrelevant country.

I personally never mentioned what happens in my country because it was never relevant to the subject, but you seem not to care since all your post are almost unrelated to the subject. The subject is palestine and hamas and what you do is telling us that french sh!t doesn’t stink.

This thread states some facts and the best you could come up with is “waaa waaaa waaaaaa, sarkozy is jew” which not only is a lie but it is totally irrelevant to the subject. Then what you can do? insult usa and italy for what reason? Because you’re a whiner and you dare to call others haters? typical french hypocrisy.

And Berlusconi doesn’t care about your opinion of him, he’s got 70% of support in his hometown regardless of financial crisis, we don’t need the opinion of the usual snobbish, coward, arrogant and suprematist french. Beside that, there isn’t a single minute when the french haven’t been racist to other populations, especially italians, you even murdered them in your country in the massacre of aigues mortes where 10 italian workers have been killed.

So don’t worry, it’s pretty much clear what kind of people you are.

Now pick up your toys and go back to your sandbox to play with things you’re familiar with.

PS: oh and together with airheads carlà and monicà, you can keep in your land all our political terrorists, you seem to like so much people who have murdered and killed. At least we don’t have to feed them in our jails.

IT’s always nice to have a bordering country that accepts our thrash so happily.

Jan 11, 2009 - 7:17 am 63. susan:

http://books.google.com/books?id=hWkQNm6MOxQC&pg=PA240&lpg=PA240&dq=Aigues-Mortes+italians+french&source=web&ots=zG_dh9L099&sig=VuvucO5zUN1_RXjaq-VUA-QhwDM&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=9&ct=result

“the french miners savagely attacked their italian competitors killing 50 and wounding 150 over xenophobia and racism.

And you dare calling others racists? yeah, talk about bananas.

Jan 11, 2009 - 7:23 am 64. Thomas:

Anyone who uses the world “racist” to intimidate or silence opposing views has lost all arguments a priori and needs to be ignored.
As free men and women, we are not bound by Pol. Corr. on this board: expressing reservation, criticism even disdain towards certain culture or cultural manifestation is not illegal but (still!)our 1st. Am. Right.

#48 Jonesy55: Care to read time to time the Swedish English langu. paper – http://www.thelocal.se – to see what is going on in Malmö?
Are you a Marxist apologist who believes that all the mayhem is the corollary of “social injustice”, “imperialism” “capitalism” “white rule” “zionism” etc.and nothing to do with cultural and religious tradition?
Are you an activist for A.N.S.W.E.R.?

Care to deliver your elucidation on Sharia in London, honor killing in Germany and elsewhere…how about the genital mutilation of Hirshi Ali of Holland?
Care to think, learn and investigate before you beat up your unfortunate keyboard? Have you ever heard of Oriana Fallaci of Italy or you only read the Daily Kos and huffinton’s?
Regards

Jan 11, 2009 - 8:01 am 65. view from afar:

First I am coming back with a link to the article about the synagogue, sorry folks its in French. http://www.lepoint.fr/actualites-societe/attaque-d-une-synagogue-sarkozy-craint-des-violences-communautari/920/0/304507
So what about that? Why does France have to be the greatest culture? There are good and bad things everywhere in Europe and the US. However, I will always defend the American way of allowing people to create themselves without the government spoon feeding constantly, but that has nothing to do with this article. This article is about how the French side with Hamas, and I believe that frog made some really good discussion points about different actions that should be equally offensive if anger over the Palestinians getting bombed is truly about the unfairness of the Palestinian situation…Let’s get back to the topic folks, this is a very worrisome situation for everyone, especially those of us on the European continent.
“Pineapples” domptor is a mistake, it means (lion) tamer, in case you didn’t figure it out…Marie Claude writes in hysterical Franglish. and I am not insulting you, I admire you for trying to type in English, about a subject that upsets you so much…my French is awful.
Ok Marie Claude, I live in France and I don’t know about everything written here, and I watch the news, france3 and tf1. Marie Claude you deserve everything Susan said in #62,oh and I’m sorry Susan, I shouldn’t have said anything about where you are from. Plus we’ve already had the banana arguement a few times already, you can ask Jonesy, he played…Jonesy, you have your head in the sand, you’re ignoring the obvious problem that isalmists seem to be encouraging all over Europe, just so you can get along with your neighbors.

Jan 11, 2009 - 8:28 am 66. Marie Claude:

susan zzzzzzzzzz, your a blatant anti-frenchism

I’m not wasting my time in reading your posts anymore

Jan 11, 2009 - 8:31 am 67. Marie Claude:

view from afar

bélier qui a visé une synagogue à Toulouse lundi soir. Nicolas Sarkozy condamne “avec la plus grande fermeté”, mardi, l’acte de vandalisme. Le Président demande aux services de police et à la Justice de “mettre en oeuvre tous les moyens nécessaires pour que ses auteurs soient interpellés et sévèrement sanctionnés”. “Notre pays ne saurait tolérer que la tension internationale se traduise par des violences communautaristes”, affirme le chef de l’État, qui se trouve actuellement à Damas, en Syrie.

does that say that France is laxist ?

I’m sorry, but you, as an American in France, you don’t get insults as we do with your fellow compatriots, even on the net !!!!

http://comments.americanthinker.com/read/42323/255533.html

I am quite normal but I do care of the french bashing

as I wrote also in the above site

don’t worry, I got a thick skin, though french bashing is an institution, first across the channel, then largely relied across the pond, where jokes and inults on us are commonly admitted, knowing that none would be pursued in a trial for making them, as they would if they happened to be made on Blacks, Chineses or on wathever communities

that’s how a french woman teacher got slapped (or beaten, I don’t remember) by an american pupil in the US, and none cared of punishing him, cuz, they said “oh, it’s a French, then don’t bother” !!!

Jan 11, 2009 - 8:59 am 68. The Great Mr Pineapples:

But doesnt everyone hate the French these days? What has France EVER done for the world? I can’t think of anything?

And their food is so over-rated – so expensive and elitist.

Terrible stuff

The British like the French as their neighbour because they have proved to be so easy to beat in wars. We have kicked French arses since the begining of time. And it has been fun.

We dont just feel superior we actually are superior to the French.

Plain and simple.

Jan 11, 2009 - 9:04 am 69. The Great Mr Pineapples:

Mr P is British – not Italian

Jan 11, 2009 - 9:05 am 70. susan:

“susan zzzzzzzzzz, your a blatant anti-frenchism

I’m not wasting my time in reading your posts anymore”

I bet, who in his right mind could reply to a racist massacre and at the same time call racist others?

Jan 11, 2009 - 9:21 am 71. Marie Claude:

oh the great P(ee) is showin hie true face LMAO

Jan 11, 2009 - 9:23 am 72. Thomas:

#65 view from afar:

Thank you for the link to the Publ. “Le point”. Most of the time I am more interested in the reader’s (poster’s) opinions than that of the author’s who wrote the article.
There are a large number of posts presented and I picked 2 to share with my American posters because we need coolheaded view about the French.

I translate the quintessential part of the posts freely and I don’t attempt to be a Literary translator:

Post 1. France with the largest arabo-musulmane community in Europe inevitably will find violent communitarian clashes. The Israel-Palestinian conflict is political but many intend to divert it into a socio-religious conflict including the FRENCH EXTREME LEFT.

Post 2. At the Parisian protest there was not a single French flag. It was replaced by Moroccan or Algerian flags which indicates that the French on papers who protested regard themselves above all as Arabs: the proof is that they wore tchador on the streets.
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1. (La France avec la communauté arabo-musulmane la plus importante d’Europe va inévitablement connaître des dérivés communautaristes violentes…)

2.(A la manifestation de Paris la semaine dernière, il n’y avait aucun drapeau français….)

Jan 11, 2009 - 9:44 am 73. Marie Claude:

OK, susan, I’ll make an exception, let’s go until the antiquity, LMAO

how about the Romans ???

hey, got to say that the guiltiness syndrom is IN nowadays, sorry, I got a http://uk.burberry.com/fcp/product/clothing-accessories/Rainwear/DOUBLE-BREASTED-TRENCH-COAT/10000002634, I’m Brittanish (for Mr Pii, it doesn’t mean british !!!!)

Jan 11, 2009 - 10:18 am 74. Frog:

FYI Marie Claude, I belong to another category: that of decent, civilised French persons who don’t aggress other commentators. Even when they bash my country, its leaders and their policy, and those who elected the politicians.
I think Mr. Camus’ article is factually correct and that the French media are covering-up what really happens. Unfortunately, French media are far from being the only ones who procede in this way. It doesn’t make them less guilty of disinformation.

Jan 11, 2009 - 10:23 am 75. Marie Claude:

frog,

I understand that even 25% Jewish is too much for you. Sad to see there are still some persons still hold such views in France these days. You belong to a growing minority in this country, joining far right and far left with extreme Moslems by their sole common denominator: Judeophobia.

yeah, your more subtile, the above sentence shows it !

though I don’t agree with you that the “decency” (or let’s call it political correctness)should prevails when it comes to denounce biased desinformation, if you don’t confront the incoherences, that’ll make it worse for our future generations.

I didn’t contest Mr Camus’s article, just some interpretations of it that incited the reverse psychology on this board

Jan 11, 2009 - 10:51 am 76. Frog:

I’m sorry, Chère Marie Calude, to have misinterpreted your assertions regarding our President’s origins. These have nothing to do with the subject of this paper, nor with commentators’ remarks though.

I maintain the decency term. You can, provided your English is good enough, rebuke unfair criticism and still keep a critical eye on your own system. I certainly don’t share your over-generalisation of “neocon ideology”. It may not be easy to be green, as the world’s most famous frog used to sing, but wouldn’t it have been amply sufficient to merely state “Hey, we’re not all pro-Hamas- quite the contrary – and, as a matter of fact, we’re not even correctly informed on either Hamas or Gaza”?
Doesn’t it worry you that Mr. Camus’ report is not available on any French site, in French?

Jan 11, 2009 - 11:40 am 77. Marie Claude:

OK, Mr Frog, we have our own ways of expression, I am a bit more of the sharp section, besides, I don’t fear confrontations

Doesn’t it worry you that Mr. Camus’ report is not available on any French site, in French ?

well, I suppose that he doesn’t want to add more oil on the fire ; and may-be that our authorities were also advising dicretion, to prevent harsch confrontations from occuring in our big cities that have an important percentage of maghrebbin immigrants

this is also a tradition in our country of not directly showing the things, kind of remain of our cartesian motto : “il faut raison garder”, means that we ought to hold some distances in front of immediat evenments, though not clearly understood by legions of journalists that adopt the easier way of consensuality, in case they would have to assume a responsability in front of their owners (from where come the finances ?) or in front of a trial and or threats, hey they also are confronted with the “crisis”, the papers have less customers, the TV have their advertising budgets cut down, most reporters are paid at a “mission” (pige, in french). But people can find out what’s going on in crossing the differents infos of the net, I do, I’m not watching the official news since I can surf on the net. If you ask to a french what he thinks, he tell you, often not in public, kind of old habit, dating from our religions wars, when pronouncing an opinion could cost you your head

Jan 11, 2009 - 12:52 pm 78. Marie Claude:

“Les autorités de régulation françaises ont obtenu que la chaîne de télévision du mouvement islamiste Hamas, Al-Aqsa TV qui émet depuis Gaza, ne soit pas diffusée en Europe comme cela devait être le cas à partir de cette semaine.”

http://www.rtlinfo.be/rtl/news/article/209409/–La+t%C3%A9l%C3%A9vision+du+Hamas+interdite+en+Europe

Jan 11, 2009 - 4:40 pm 79. Battlecat:

“You are talking about things of which you have no understanding.”

jonesy55, the British Brainwashing Corporation has clearly done a job with you. Stick your head in the sand at your own peril. Rioting Muslims will come after you one day, too.

Marie Claude, I assumed you were German because you posted from Deutsche Welle. My apologies. Cool to see that you can speak German anyway!

Jan 11, 2009 - 8:13 pm 80. jonesy55:

“jonesy55, the British Brainwashing Corporation has clearly done a job with you. Stick your head in the sand at your own peril. Rioting Muslims will come after you one day, too.”

Yes, of course, Mr Hussain who runs the post office down the road is no doubt sharpening his sword as I type ready to come and butcher my family. Maybe you think I should go and kill him first just to be on the safe side?

What a civilised world that would be.

Jan 12, 2009 - 1:44 am 81. susan:

“Yes, of course, Mr Hussain who runs the post office down the road is no doubt sharpening his sword as I type ready to come and butcher my family. ”

no, worse, he’s establishing sharia law because he knows that you will submit.

There is an old saying (that ironically it’s written under the statue of La pasionaria in Glasgow)

I prefer to die standing than to live forever on my knees.

It is obvious that jossie chamberlain prefers to live on his knees.

Oh and this is the event of the mosque.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/staffordshire/2950714.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/staffordshire/2950714.stm

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/security-guard-guilty-of-attack-on-mosque-639122.html

It was on the independent and BBC.

It was surely headline news.

While on the other hand

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-491977/Opponent-mega-mosque-receives-chilling-death-threat-YouTube.html

The above news of a christian politician threatened by a muslim appears only on sites that you called “right wing tabloids”.

So it seems that again you have to stick your foot in your mouth, you have been proven once again (as it was necessary) that your perception of reality is distorted and you cannot back up anything of what you say with facts.

There is an obvious double standard in your press and a pro-muslim bias that many people beside me pointed out to you.

But again, you are the typical person that would rather live forever on their knees.

If you were alive in the 40s you would have collected some jews to give to the nazis.

Jan 12, 2009 - 3:23 am 82. jonesy55:

“no, worse, he’s establishing sharia law because he knows that you will submit.”

Oh yes, of course he is, you know him well obviously. Susan, surely you can see how ridiculous you are.

“There is an old saying (that ironically it’s written under the statue of La pasionaria in Glasgow)

I prefer to die standing than to live forever on my knees.

It is obvious that jossie chamberlain prefers to live on his knees.”

Very interesting, unfortunately the choice you offer is a false one, I will live standing thank you.

“Oh and this is the event of the mosque.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/staffordshire/2950714.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/staffordshire/2950714.stm

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/security-guard-guilty-of-attack-on-mosque-639122.html

It was on the independent and BBC.

It was surely headline news.”

Ha ha ha ha ha!!! That has to be the best yet. A tiny story on an obscure page of a regional subsection of the BBC website (where there are tens of thousands of stories) plus a minor story in the independent 7 years ago equals ‘front page news for days every time a mosque is attacked’.

You have just lost whatever credibility you might have had Susan.

“While on the other hand

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-491977/Opponent-mega-mosque-receives-chilling-death-threat-YouTube.html

The above news of a christian politician threatened by a muslim appears only on sites that you called “right wing tabloids”.”

Susan, if you are going to lie, at least make it a good one, this story is covered elsewhere. In any case, the daily mail is a popular mainstream media newspaper, hardly an obscure rightist website. Anybody can see this story on their local newsagent, it’s hardly a conspiracy of silence.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23419736-details/Death+threats+on+YouTube+for+mosque+opponent/article.do
http://www.thecomet.net/content/comet/news/story.aspx?brand=CMTOnline&category=News&tBrand=herts24&tCategory=newscomnew&itemid=WEED22%20Nov%202007%2011%3A10%3A34%3A253
http://thisisstokenewington.wordpress.com/2007/11/06/councillor-alan-craig-islamists-youtube-obituary/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ipm/2007/11/youtube_and_the_fake_obituary.shtml

“So it seems that again you have to stick your foot in your mouth, you have been proven once again (as it was necessary) that your perception of reality is distorted and you cannot back up anything of what you say with facts.”

Actually Susan, no. You seem to think that when you speak, this is proof. Unfortunately this is not how the world works. I have shown that most of the claims you have made are false. Whether this is through ignorance or deliberate deception I do not know.

“If you were alive in the 40s you would have collected some jews to give to the nazis.”

If you have no better arguments than this then I suggest you stop wasting your time. It is not me who calling for religious war and murder, that is you Susan.

Jan 12, 2009 - 5:34 am 83. Frog:

Marie Claude,

So, in fine, are you defending the deafening silence of the French media regarding the Judeophobic expressions during the pro-Hamas rallys/riots?

Interestingly, I have not seen the restrain and distance you’re talking about when it comes to MSM op-eds and editorials criticising “Cast Lead” in particular and Israel in general.

Jan 12, 2009 - 5:47 am 84. susan:

“Oh yes, of course he is, you know him well obviously. Susan, surely you can see how ridiculous you are.”

just because a dhimmi says so?

Why don’t you bring me evidence that in muslim majority country sharia laws aren’t established. I am sure that will dissipate all doubts.

Why don’t you bring me evidence that in some muslim countries any other religion can freely build churches/temples, doesn’t receive harassment and can proselityze?

“Very interesting, unfortunately the choice you offer is a false one, I will live standing thank you.”

some people aren’t intelligent enough to understand that they are already on their knees

“Susan, if you are going to lie, at least make it a good one, this story is covered elsewhere. In any case, the daily mail is a popular mainstream media newspaper, hardly an obscure rightist website. Anybody can see this story on their local newsagent, it’s hardly a conspiracy of silence.”

oooh, I see that on the BBC site, it’s relegated in the “blogs” session. At least the links I brought were from ordinary news pages.

I bet THIS IS LONDON is a LOCAL SOURCE, unlike the BBC and I failt to see how “the comet” and http://thisisstokenewington can be considered “mainstream”.

Where is the TIMES, the INDIPENDENT, CEE BEE CERA.

You think I lost my credibility? think about yours, I don’t know if you noticed but you’re pathetic defenses of the indifendible are not very popular around here, including the other thread where TalkingKamel again brings up point that you failed to reply to.

It is a shame that some threads “fall down” exactly when you are in difficulty and fail to reply with facts instead with your distorted view of reality.

But don’t embarass yourself once more, let the other thread go. You’re are already the laughing stock of pajamasmedia.

“Actually Susan, no. You seem to think that when you speak, this is proof. Unfortunately this is not how the world works. I have shown that most of the claims you have made are false. ”

thecomet and the rest that you brought are not “mainstream media”, instead they are obscure publications. You have proven nothing. As usual.

Deception is mandated in the koran and I have nothing to do with the war manual.

“If you have no better arguments than this then I suggest you stop wasting your time. It is not me who calling for religious war and murder, that is you Susan.”

the one wasting your time is you, you are not exactly convicing anybody here, have you noticed? Beside the muslims themselvse and the outed antisemites nobody else agrees with you, maybe you should pay attention more to what others say instead of wiggling your finger in the air and pretending to know more than the others.

I am not calling for religious war and murder. I simply say stop all immigration and close all contacts with the muslim world.Stop pandering to their absurd demands.

When you resolve in slandering the opponent with lies you lost all arguments, but you never had a decent one in the fist place jonesy chamberlain, the ones calling for religious war, if you paid attention are those muslims who flatter your ego because they understand you are already dhimmified and sold to their cause.

I am sure you feel proud to be a total sell out, you should be “enlighted” enough to understand the other people do have the dignity that you never had.

Jan 12, 2009 - 6:32 am 85. Marie Claude:

Mr Frog, I’m not defending anything, just that I find OK that our government acts dicretly while preventing from that this conflict being extend to our surburbs, ie forbids that the Haas TV finds its wys until EU

dunno where you live, but in the Province where I liv, it’s true !!!

Jan 12, 2009 - 6:35 am 86. Marie Claude:

sorry for the typo errors, I was too quick at editing

Jan 12, 2009 - 6:37 am 87. susan:

May I also remind you that in another neverending diatribe where as usual you lost on all fronts, one of your “memorable” quotes about how the number of muslim in a country can create clashes and demands that go against the Declaration of Human rights, gender equality, religious freedom etc, you replied

“it will never happen that the muslims become majority”.

See? you don’t even believe your own bull$hits. So this is not a threat, NOT because the muslims themselves aren’t a threat, but because your silly self doesn’t believe they will reach a majority one day.

You don’t even believe your own stupidity jonesy, go on some pro-sharia board since you like them so much.

Also you never replied on why you are here, since you love obama, and there is not a single conservative argument you agree with.

I remind you that you are not convicing anybody, so think about this before telling others they are wasting their time. Think about YOUR WASTED TIME.

Jan 12, 2009 - 6:39 am 88. Frog:

Marie Claude,
The conflict is here. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k5D3nHrIjpQy15UnoB

And Hamas TV, as well as a few other inciting chains, should have been long ago banned. Better late than never.

At any rate, burying the problem is not going to make it vanish.

Jan 12, 2009 - 7:57 am 89. jonesy55:

“Also you never replied on why you are here, since you love obama, and there is not a single conservative argument you agree with.”

Susan wants an echo-chamber, how noble, how enlightened. This is a public website, if you don’t want to read opinions that differ to yours, talk to the mirror.

For your information, This is London is the website of the London Evening Standard, the capital’s biggest selling paper, it is only ‘local’ in the same way that the New York Times is local.

I have replied to that camel guy in the other thread, but as you can no doubt imagine, it is difficult to keep track when so many attacks from so many people all respond with the same right wing groupthink.

I replied to you on the prince harry thread with plentiful links showing other ethnic groups getting offended in the way that you claim only muslims do but my comments have been censored for some reason, so much for free speech here.

Maybe you think that people should just fall into line with the prevailing opinions but I will stand up for my rights and will not be cowed by those of you that try to silence opposition.

You still haven’t provided me with an example of where dhimmi status is enforced in muslim countries today, it was in fact abolished at least a century ago or longer in those places where it once existed. Yet you still expect people to believe that this is an inevitable situation in any muslim state, the real world once again shows how far removed from it you are.

If this mandatory aspect of sharia can be ignored in states where muslims have the power to enforce it, so can any other part of the sharia, and indeed that is what happens in practice. You only lie and say that this is not the case because you want to stir up hatred and violence, admit it.

I have to laugh when you call me out for slandering and then at the same time throw around insults, say that I want to gas jews etc, you really are a hypocrite, lol.

By the way, I’m still waiting for evidence of mosque attacks being ‘front page news for days’, can you do no better than your last pitiful attempt? I suspect not as it is a false claim.

Jan 12, 2009 - 8:06 am 90. susan:

“Susan wants an echo-chamber, how noble, how enlightened. This is a public website, if you don’t want to read opinions that differ to yours, talk to the mirror.”

What can I do, that’s the policy at your leftist sites huffpo, dailykos, so I guess if it’s good for you leftards, it can be good for us too. Also I do not need to talk to the mirror since I agree with 90% of the people, who are not so strangely the ones that brings thought out arguments and have first hand experience of what they talk about.

Cannot say the same of the utopian leftist retards that talk from their marxist mindset of PC and holier-than-thou position who still have a great problem sharing fantasy from reality.

“I have replied to that camel guy in the other thread, but as you can no doubt imagine, it is difficult to keep track when so many attacks from so many people all respond with the same right wing groupthink. ”

ooooh poor jonesy, so many people “attacking” you with things you aren’t able to reply to or cope with, do you want the echo chamber?

it must be hard to be happy to be the village’s idiot.

“I replied to you on the prince harry thread with plentiful links showing other ethnic groups getting offended in the way that you claim only muslims do but my comments have been censored for some reason, so much for free speech here. ”

LOL, even the mods are getting tired of your moonbat lunacy. Yes, I guess there are plenty of istances where japanese immigrants ganged up and marched against the big bad white man calling them “japs”.
I can totally believe it.

As for free speech, all the leftist regimes you love and admire practiced a strict policy of media control, so you should feel comfortable.

“Maybe you think that people should just fall into line with the prevailing opinions but I will stand up for my rights and will not be cowed by those of you that try to silence opposition.”

you are not “opposition”, I would call “opposition” someone that’s not in denial. You are filed under “full blown stupidity”. Opposition is not your cup of tea.

Maybe you should take into consideration the many istances in which your favourite group of people, the muslims, try to really silence opposition, which 99% of the time is simply common sense and the present laws… but that would mean betray your future masters, so I guess it’s a no go area.

“You still haven’t provided me with an example of where dhimmi status is enforced in muslim countries today, it was in fact abolished at least a century ago or longer in those places where it once existed. Yet you still expect people to believe that this is an inevitable situation in any muslim state, the real world once again shows how far removed from it you are.”

oh, the ignorance of certain people…

So you think sharia law is all about dhimmi status?

not about difference in inheritance? not about man controlling women? not about non-muslims being forced to convert to marry muslims?

In my country if an italian man wants to marry a moroccan woman, she has to provide to her embassy EVIDENT proof that the man has converted. If this proof is NOT provided, no permission to wed is given because a muslim woman will never have to marry an infidel. Usually the men cave in and “convert” even if for them it means nothing and go on with their life. I guess in your distorted view of reality this is considered NORMAL.

So as you can see the dhimmi status not only is practiced but also it’s enforced in NON-MUSLIM COUNTRIES!

What’s your comment on that dhimmified jossie?

The below link carries state by state the religious freedom. I read all the muslim states and in ALL OF THEM it is reported of harassment, estrangment, victimization of non-muslims, in ALL MUSLIM COUNTRIES proselytizing is FORBIDDEN, as well as fixing churches or (god forbid) building new ones.

In spite of what some laws on paper say, conversion out of islam is either forbidden or met with harassment, death and punishment. The police does nothing.

http://www.state.gov/g/drl/irf/rpt/index.htm

This is all part of being a dhimmi. The jyza can be there legally or illegally but that doesn’t meant that the rest.

You are not very intelligent, and this is evident. Slavery is still practiced in saudi arabia although it was abolished on paper in the 60s. Slavery is practiced in mauritania and mali even if it was abolished in the 80s.

Strange that we made so much noise for apartheid and nobody knows that SLAVERY (yes, deluded jossie, FULL BLOWN SLAVERY) was still present in the 80s in mauritania and mali.

So as you can see, many things in the muslim world are said to be “abolished”, that doesn’t make it true.

You should remove your head from your a$$. You believe non-critically to what your muslim “friends” tell you, yet it never cross your empty brain that those people might lie to you. Lying is mandated in the koran as a way to protect the spread of their religion.

When questioned about slavery in mali and mauritania, they do not admit, they tell you christian people had slaves.

This is their mindset (which is also yours, btw)

I am reading now that in mauritania slavery is still practiced nowadays, they do not even attempt at abolish it.

They also claim (lying) that in their countries there is freedom of religion. Yet, conversion OUT of islam is forbidden, this is all part of the dhimmi contract.

Dhimmitude is not only ONE SINGLE THING.

Also, your simplified brain insisnt that the practice will never come back.

Well, in SECULAR TURKEY (secular not by western standards) here’s what happened in 1942

The effect of the 1942 Varlık Vergisi (”wealth tax”) was the greatest on non-Muslims, although in principle it was directed against all wealthy Turks. The “wealth tax” is still remembered as the “catastrophe” among the non-Muslims of Turkey and it had probably the most detrimental effect on the numbers of the Jewish community. Many people unable to pay the taxes were sent to labor camps and about 30,000 Jews emigrated

SEe Jossie? Can your brain handle all those information?

so you said jizya was abolished and dhimmi status was abolished while in 1942 you had still JIZYA and DHIMMI STATUS, just under another name?

Educate yourself, go to read what the Varlık Vergisi was for non-muslims in turkey.

What is your excuse?

And who knows in many other muslim countries the dhimmi status still persist under different ways or names or simply illegally among the people and government indifference?

So jossie, what I am now? a hate monger? oh scandalous, I caught you once again talking out of your a$$ about things you have no clue about.

Did you hear the turks apologizing for mantaining the dhimmi status and JIZYA tax till 1942? Did you hear something in your muslim controlled media?

Why is that? after all, the germans apologised for nazism, the americans for slavery, indian genocide and what not, the south africans for apartheid, the pope for the crimes of the church, the only apology that you will never hear is from the many muslims that performed atrocities since 700 AC.

Don’t you hear a loud dissonance jossie? or you are so much drugged up by politically correctness that it’s past the time you can share right from wrong? Is it too much to call the muslims up to our standards? Why we should have double standards? Isn’t it RAAAAAAAAACIST jossie that we consider those people so much inferior to us to set a LOWER standard of behaviour for them?

All questions that will uselessly navigate your empty brain in search for an intelligent answer that will never come.

“If this mandatory aspect of sharia can be ignored in states where muslims have the power to enforce it, so can any other part of the sharia, and indeed that is what happens in practice. You only lie and say that this is not the case because you want to stir up hatred and violence, admit it.”

I bet your foot tastes really good

“I have to laugh when you call me out for slandering and then at the same time throw around insults, say that I want to gas jews etc, you really are a hypocrite, lol.”

and you are just a stupid dhimmified coward. I fear the fact that the number 55 in your name might be your age or the year you were (unfortunately) born. If old people are so stupid, your “country” is really lost.

Jan 12, 2009 - 8:50 am 91. susan:

oh and stupid jossie, more education for you on jizya practiced nowadays

“The general plan of Hamas also includes the imposition of a special tax, called al-jeziya, upon all of the non-Muslim residents in the Palestinian territories. This tax revives the one applied through all of Islamic history to the dhimmi, the second-class Jewish and Christian citizens.”

———–

“In the recent violence, residents of the Baghdad neighborhood of Dora said gunmen knocked on the doors of Christian families, demanding they either pay jizya — a special tax traditionally levied on non-Muslims — or leave. ”

————–

The Jizyah has “not been imposed” since European pressure and power has been brought to bear. But non-Muslims have been subject to a disguised Jizyah. Despite the supposed reforms that were to bring complete legal equality to non-Muslims in Turkey, in World War II the Varlik Vergesi was a large tax imposed by the government on non-Muslim citizens, who despite Kemalism, or perhaps because of it, have never been considered “Turks” equal to Muslim “Turks.”
In Malaysia the non-Muslims have been subject to the disguised Jizyah of the Bumiputra system, which favors economically the Muslims, and essentially involves a transfer of wealth from the more industrious and entrepreneurial non-Muslims (Chinese and Hindus) to Muslims (Malays, but not the members of the indigenous tribes, which were christianized, or remained pagan — and only now are being islamized through intense pressure and Da’wa campaigns).

Elsewhere, as in Pakistan and Bangladesh, the Hindus and Christians live in a state of permanet physical danger, and that danger also is one of losing their property to Muslim looters and marauders who cannot be sued or brought to justice on the say-so of a non-Muslim. The Jews of the Arab world fled — nearly one million of them — leaving their property, which was the last transfer of wealth. In Egypt, under Nasser, the property of most Jews and the Levantine Christains — Greeks, Italians, and others — were “nationalized” as Nasser put it. But this was nothing more than the seizure of Infidel property by Muslim governments. Copts in Egypt do not pay a direct Jizyah. But there are other ways to force local Christians, constantly fearful for their own well-being, to have them pay off, or take as local partners, Muslims who may protect them. There is no security for the property of non-Muslims in Muslim lands, and there are various ways in which the “protection money” that is the Jizyah is paid, often in indirect, informal, and disguised ways, when the more direct imposition would attract too much unwanted Western attention and, presumably, outrage.

I might add my direct experience because also Lybia in 1970 expelled 20,000 italians talking possession illegally of their properties. It has been allowed to infringe 1957 Italy-Libya agreement and UN resolution 388/1950, and no one is responsible.

CAn you hear stupid jossie? the echo of jizya reached 1970. Jizya under other names and other ways is still widely practiced in the muslim world.

Now have fun sticking your foot in your mouth calling me warmonger, racist and what not. I have just proved you are just an empty headed liar whose brain refutes reality. Can you hear the echo of your own stupidity?

Jan 12, 2009 - 9:13 am 92. Marie Claude:

uh “little italy” is spamming the threat

Mr Frog

And Hamas TV, as well as a few other inciting chains, should have been long ago banned. Better late than never.

yes, I suppose that this decision wasn’t the only concern of France since this Hamas TV was going to overwhelm EU

I know that Al Jazeera had problems to get its licence a few years ago… dunno how it is at the moment !

At any rate, burying the problem is not going to make it vanish

I don’t think it’s burrying the problem, it’s just being cautious of its derives.

If you have a look at the anti-jihadists web-sites, you would see that there are problems in most of the western countries that host muslim immigrants, though as France is seen as the yellow serin witness because of the both important communities, the focus is often on our country.

The justice department must change its habits, and consider that teens that make “racist” acts should be punished as being responsable as well as the youngs above 18, if there happens that this isn’t the first time, then the parents should also be punished, and then consider that they don’t deserve the french nationality and be expelled where they came from

Jan 12, 2009 - 9:43 am 93. Marie Claude:

Mr Frog, feel free to interven here :

http://atlantic-community.org/index/articles/view/Leadership_In_Gaza%3A_Craven_and_Dysfunctional

Jan 12, 2009 - 10:36 am 94. susan:

marie claude, maybe you might wish to do some heavy spell checking, syntax and and grammar checking before insulting others of spamming the “threat” (which is spelled thread, for the people who didn’t learn english through correspondence like yourself).

It was more than obvious that the subject is too hard to understand due to your limited mental capabilities and your broken english, so stick to talking about profiteroles and other trivial facts. The material I posted wasn’t absolutely intended for you. I know better than casting pearls before swines (and gasbags like yourself). Maybe I should call you Zeppelin, or better, Hindenburg.

“If you ask to a french what he thinks, he tell you, often not in public, kind of old habit”

yeah, the old habit is called cowardice and indeed is the main trait of your people

Jan 12, 2009 - 12:40 pm 95. Lilith:

Ah, Marie-Claude — T’aime les terroristes commes les Catholiques aime Jesus – plus ca change – plus ca reste la meme chose – Les francais sont tous anti-semite. Depuis les moyennes ages vous avez tuez les juifs. Tu souvien Vichy?

Like most French, Marie-Claude loves Muslims and Hamas almost as much as her ancestors loved Jesus and hated Jews. Nothing changes with the bloody French – they’ve been killing and torturing Jews since the early Middle Ages. Who can forget the Vichy French who voluntarily delivered their Jewish population – men, women, children, babies – to the Third Reich’s death camps.

Va t’en, Marie de Mort and take your fellow French with you. Nobody in North American gives a flying f–k what you morons think.

Oh and don’t bother commenting on my french folks – it’s been about thirty years since I had to speak that revolting language.

Jan 12, 2009 - 1:10 pm 96. Lilith:

Just as a little humour — a few years ago someone did a little techno-trickery and if you googled “French military victories” this came up: “Did you mean French military defeats”?

Jan 12, 2009 - 1:18 pm 97. Marie Claude:

oh one of my favorites trolls is back, Lilith now, you got a pervert imagination, OK,a pervert as pervert does : n’importe quoi !!!

Jan 12, 2009 - 1:46 pm 98. Marie Claude:

susan, pour faire court, vas te faire foutre, or in one of my favorite languages, according to the trolls herd, gehe schiessen !!!

Jan 12, 2009 - 1:55 pm 99. Marie Claude:

Oh and don’t bother commenting on my french folks

funny that you used the term folk, did any unvolontary mind weekness make escape what your really are up with Volk !!!

yeah, you had to learn french for good raisons, that we can all witness here, foolish yourself

Jan 12, 2009 - 2:03 pm 100. Lilith:

Pervert? Actually, I am a librarian.
Troll? I believe this term is used to describe someone who cuts and pastes the same message on various strings.
And why would I be your favourite? I rarely post. I have never seen your name before so it seems unlikely you would know me.

But you’re right — it doesn’t matter — stupid is as stupid does.

Jan 12, 2009 - 2:08 pm 101. Marie Claude:

Actually, I am a librarian. oh I see an “highly educated” LMAO
you may be a new troll, though as you believe, it’s true IMO,that this term is used to describe someone who cuts and pastes the same message on various strings

that’s what your making !!!!!

Jan 12, 2009 - 2:24 pm 102. Lilith:

Ummm, Marie Claude….

“funny that you used the term folk, did any unvolontary mind weekness make escape what your really are up with Volk !!!”

Sorry, but this sentence fragment makes no sense in English. I have absolutely no idea what you are trying to say.
I didn’t use the term folk, by the way, I used the word folks; informal for “people in general” ie: Folks around here are very friendly.
I don’t speak any Germanic languages (with the exception of English, of course) so I have no idea what Volk means.

As for this:
“yeah, you had to learn french for good raisons, that we can all witness here, foolish yourself”

No, I had to learn French because I’m Canadian. I wanted to learn Latin.

Jan 12, 2009 - 2:29 pm 103. Thomas:

jonessy55
You don’t like the proletarian JtP;- I bet you admire the intellectual sophistication of Robert Fisk, and Barbara Plett and Orla Guerin both of BBC who were crying profusely at the AIDS ridden corpse of Arafat.

You are apparently unable to internalize the fact that the US is not the EU: there is no centralized Marxist propaganda machine here like the BBC – paid by the people under threat of jail term,- should they think otherwise. Our freedom is eroding no doubt about it but we are still far from sucking up to the unelected a***le like Solana and the rest of your new overlords in Brussels.

We are not mean spirited people, please enjoy your multiculturalist paradise, raging Muslims, more bombings, Sharia, and assorted mayhem in your ethnic ghettos.
Follow the oracle of A.of Canterbury who is already praying to Allah and as for your off springs:
“Pray to Allah or get detention” – UK school – Signs of the times.

Jan 12, 2009 - 2:39 pm 104. Lilith:

Marie-Claude,
My final post to you.

Liberty? Equality? Fraternity?

“Arab aggression against Jews has been rising everywhere in the last decades. But it is particularly virulent in France, where it has been accompanied by occasional loss of life, street violence against individuals, and bombings of synagogues, restaurants, offices, and shops. For a long time, the authorities maintained that this was mere hooliganism rather than the manifestation of a vengeful jihad. (Many Arab ghettos are outside the law: no-go areas for the police.) But as it became clear that imams were using their mosques to preach anti-Semitism and the hatred of all nonMuslims, the agents of law enforcement [were forced] to take action.”
http://elibrary.bigchalk.com/libweb/canada/do/document?set=search&groupid=1&requestid=lib_canada&resultid=19&edition=&ts=6D530E480BE106E88DF37BA72116C4AE_1231800060547&start=1&urn=urn%3Abigchalk%3AUS%3BBCLib%3Bdocument%3B108445169

Jan 12, 2009 - 2:49 pm 105. Marie Claude:

Lilith, mind your own business ! Kanadu, ain’t any better Toronto anyone ? now escuse me, I’m goin to leave with your sorrow ; you haven’t got enough sense of humor so that I stay on line with you, Ok Tabernacle !

Jan 12, 2009 - 2:56 pm 106. view from afar:

Marie Claude I didn’t post the link to aricle to prove that the french government was lax, I posted it to say that it isn’t good that the french “dissimule” information en guise de garder la paix (it hasn’t truly worked ever in French history, so why do they continue to do it?) I think that is the point that Frog is pointing out to you, and the same point that Susan is pointing out to you in her posts, the French bend over backwards to avoid a fight, even if the fight would be less painful in the long run (think WWII)
Marie Claude what color is the sky in your part of France? I am a centre right American conservative, who believes in God, likes Sarah Palin (don’t even go there anyone I liked her before the presidential elections and nothing will change that)and I live in a rural Southwestern part of France. I can’t even get a job, nor any training in French to get a real job, but that is besides the point. The French are quite self righteous ( as are Americans) about how wonderful their way of life is. I personally, having lived in very comparable parts of both countries prefer the US, because there is personal responsability(although I wonder in the economic crisis), and the ability for one to pull oneself up by their own bootstraps (ie se débrouiller), where in France by personal experience, when you try to help yourself everyone blocks what you do, or is jealous because you succeed? Whatever.
As for the teacher in the US, did anything happen to any of the French students that have hit teachers? No because the poor children can’t be responsable. I find it reprehensible that a student who hits a teacher isn’t punished severely, where ever. You don’t hit teachers. You may contest them, complain about them etc, but you don’t hit them.
Now eveyone please click on the link in 92 or 93 and go see Marie Claude’s post there, I really don’t know if she realizes how anti Jewish/pro Arab she comes off to us here…plus her writing is better, I really think something ticked her off mistakenly and then everything went over the top. By the way merci le grenouille pour votre sang-froide
Jonsey, please go check out what real left opposition is on the lefty folk singers post, Wooody Gutherie does stand up for his left opposition, that is true opposition and is admirable. you just don’t want to piss of the guy down the block or at the post office, how do really know that they don;t already want to chop your head off? Maybe they find you self righteously above an issue that really bothers them, like their fellows muslims being idiots and you too pc to do anything about it? I heard something in a song I found was good: ” I always knew about (the issue), but I just got comfortable and didn’t want to be bothered to change…” Get your head out of the sand. It doesn’t mean that you have to hate everyone, just that you are aware of what’s really going on around you?
Oh Marie Claude, Lilith’s french is equal to your english. Oh and by the way normal Americans don’t hate the french, they just get disgusted at how comfortable they like life. Nothing is worth fighting for, epecially not dying for. Although not all stereo types fit everyone, but realize the French have been teased about this for ages…and not just by the Americans. Plus most French people hate Americans, or have a huge disdain (dégout) for us, like we aren’t égale to European social standards (whatever). Anyway, you have misunderstood something here form what I can tell, but I’m tired, am going to bed and speaking of responsible, need to feed cows tomorrow morning, and children at lunch. Again good article, lots of really good points. Good night.

Jan 12, 2009 - 3:00 pm 107. Lilith:

Okay. I lied. French isn’t a revolting language, it’s a lovely language.
In fact, here is a portion of “Le ciel est par-dessus le toit” by Paul Verlaine. It was the first French poem I learned (grade 7).
Although Verlaine was speaking of youth wasted in prison, I think it has a particularly poignant message for Muslim youth in France…given the prison of hatred into which they have locked themselves.

Qu’as-tu fait ô toi que voil�
Pleurant sans cesse,
Dis, qu’as-tu fait,
De ta jeunesse ?

What have you done, you there,
Endlessly crying,
Tell me, what have you done,
With your youth?

Jan 12, 2009 - 3:57 pm 108. Marie Claude:

view from afar,

I am not exposing what I do really think on that board, just because there isn’t space left for me to make it, guess why !!! the people like you, and, those you quoting in your above post, don’t make it raisonable enough, though if you would take time to read carrefully what I wrote to Mr Frog, and the link I posted for him, you’ll get the idea !

I posted it to say that it isn’t good that the french “dissimule” information en guise de garder la paix (it hasn’t truly worked ever in French history, so why do they continue to do it?

the problem with the people like you, is that your mixing the WW2 context and the actual context : what is different ? the war techniques, in WW2, you were expectig panzers armadas, where only armies were involved, while in the nowaday conflict it’s a cities guerillas, that means that the surburbs could become like multi micro Gaza conflicts, and guess, with multi civilian victims, besides, I don’t think that we already have the infrastructures to fight guerilla wars in the streets, but this will become our major worry for the next years ; so this is not an “appeasing” behaviour, as you remnently say, but a wise strategy, (to not pour oil on the fire) aimed to avoid an open multi-ethnical conflict, where not only the Jews would be targeted. I am sure that our authorities are aware of the razor blade line equilibrium.

Now, protestations don’t help in that purpose, as I wrote on the german site the strings are hold in Teheran, we should acknoledge that the Mullahs want ignify the western world by activating Hamas (at the moment, but HBZ … in another), and their pernicious way of propagating empathy among the immigrants and lefties.

BTW, what kind of job your looking for ?

Anyway, it’s difficult to find anyone if you don’t master french

also all the Frenchs are not “assisted”, as your believing, I own my business, and don’t get help for it, just that I have to pay its charges, even if there is less business at the moment

Jan 12, 2009 - 4:08 pm 109. gary thorington:

Greetings Jean, I am about the most conservative person out there but I have nothing but great admiration for France, its culture and history. I am also a Christian and I can see how the end days will come about by just watching world events. Watching Israel and the Muslims are of great interest. I believe no one will destroy Israel and at the same time the Muslims will grow in power. The climax of Jesus’s return will make everything clear. The important part is to be ready. I know many do not share these beliefs but you will have to watch these events unfold. Rememer Jesus said the Christians will be hated because they (non christians) hated Him. With that said its natural that the world or most of it will be against Israel and it appears thats bearing out.

Jan 12, 2009 - 11:32 pm 110. Jonesy55:

“You are apparently unable to internalize the fact that the US is not the EU: there is no centralized Marxist propaganda machine here like the BBC – paid by the people under threat of jail term,- should they think otherwise. Our freedom is eroding no doubt about it but we are still far from sucking up to the unelected a***le like Solana and the rest of your new overlords in Brussels.”

lol, yes of course the BBC is run by crazed Trotskyists, when you are so far to one end of the political spectrum, everybody else seems like an extremist. Don’t worry, we have total freedom to watch Fox News if we like and look at the views of right-thinking people like yourself on the internet and in print media, maybe you just need to accept that people don’t agree with those views.

The EU is not perfect at all but note that many of the most powerful people in the US executive are also unelected appointees.

“We are not mean spirited people, please enjoy your multiculturalist paradise, raging Muslims, more bombings, Sharia, and assorted mayhem in your ethnic ghettos.”

Of course, you would never find ethnically divided neighbourhoods, violent crime or injustice in the US, no never, it just doesn’t happen. Only dumbass Euroweenie weasel dhimmi jew-killing marxist commie eurocowards (which of course is the correct description of every European) would put up with such things, the US is a paradise of virtue where everybody skips down the street full of joy at their perfect lives. Please feel free to join the real world whenever you like.

Jan 13, 2009 - 5:15 am 111. Thomas:

Jonessy55

What is your point?
Got upset?
The truth sucks, isn’t it?
Did I write anything that is not common knowledge and factual?
If so then say it: what is not true?
The BBC crying game at the rotting Arafat’s corpse?
The rantings of R. Fisk and the Guardian?
How is Red Ken?
Does Jackie Smith wear burka – “Islam is not terrorist” so she said.

Eurabia the real world where saying “Paki” is a crime?

I appreciate your wisdom that manifesting itself in your own sentence:
“Only dumbass Euroweenie weasel dhimmi jew-killing marxist commie eurocowards (which of course is the correct description of every European) would put up with such things,…” – you said.

We agree.

Jan 13, 2009 - 6:36 am 112. Mitch:

Guys, leave Marie Claude alone. She is on our side, regardless of the loonies in the streets of Paris. Any country’s history has enough in it to make one proud or ashamed. Would you think better of a Frenchwoman who hated France? We have some Americans who hate America, and while they have a variety of excuses for doing so, they are without exception some of the most vile people to ever infest our planet.

We have enough enemies — why annoy our friends?

Jan 13, 2009 - 7:11 am 113. Jonesy55:

“What is your point?
Got upset?
The truth sucks, isn’t[sic] it?
Did I write anything that is not common knowledge and factual?
If so then say it: what is not true?”

Well, for starters the bit about ‘ethnic ghettoes’ is about as true as if I applied it to Chicago or Washington DC, sure there are areas which are more populated by one or another ethnicity but ‘ghettoes’ is just a stupid term, they are not ghettoes in any real meaning of the word and there is far less ‘mayhem’ in these areas than the constant killings that occur in US inner cities. Or do you deny that these same ‘ethnic ghettoes’ exist and mayhem occurs all in cities all over the US? More people have been killed in terrorist attacks on US soil over the past couple of decades than have been killed in Europe.

Also the AbofC no more ‘prays to Allah’ than does the Pope, another dumb and untrue statement.

As for ‘pray to Allah or get detention’, more BS, one dumb teacher out of the tens of thousands in the country makes a balls-up of a lesson, not some offical school policy written on a sign as you say. You can find dumb teachers all over the US and elsewhere too.

“The BBC crying game at the rotting Arafat’s corpse?”

lol, yes crying at Arafat’s corpse is compulsory for all BBC staff, in fact they have posters of Hamas leaders on their office walls.

“The rantings of R. Fisk and the Guardian?”

There are rantings on all sides of the debate, you only have to read this site to see that.

“How is Red Ken?” – no idea

“Does Jackie Smith wear burka?”

Er, No, not last time I saw her.

“Islam is not terrorist” so she said.”

As did members of the US regime, and the fact is that most muslims are not terrorists so your point is?

“Eurabia the real world where saying “Paki” is a crime?”

Actually it’s not a crime, but much like n*gger is in the US it is not considered good form to insult people with it. Or are you seriously telling me that equivalent words are not avoided in public discourse and polite conversation in your country?

“I appreciate your wisdom that manifesting itself in your own sentence:
“Only dumbass Euroweenie weasel dhimmi jew-killing marxist commie eurocowards (which of course is the correct description of every European) would put up with such things,…” – you said.

We agree.”

I bet you do, the raging anti-european predjudice and ignorance of many here often descends into hateful rants along these lines, this is no surprise. And Americans have the gall to whine about European anti-americanism, lol.

Jan 13, 2009 - 8:14 am 114. susan:

thomas you are right

the bbc has been exposed several times to have a disproportionate number of muslim journalists and journalists biased to the muslim cause.

Not only that, it has been exposed to have a pro-gay, anti christian stance. AS you noticed jonesy chamberlain doesn’t deny, he just says “we have other channels”.

Red Ken got away with nothing for a very antisemitic remark because he’s a communist that lived off minorities votes and commie vote.

NAtional outrage for paki comment, almost nothing for antisemitic slurs by the mayor of london, that’s the UK nowadays

thanks for reminding me, I was almost forgetting it.

Jan 13, 2009 - 10:56 am 115. susan:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article1942948.ece

THE BBC is institutionally biased, an official report will conclude this week. The year-long investigation, commissioned by the BBC, has found the corporation particularly partial in its treatment of single-issue politics such as climate change, poverty, race and religion.

It concludes that the bias has extended across drama, comedy and entertainment, with the corporation pandering to politically motivated celebrities and trendy causes.

The report points to the danger of BBC programmes being undermined by the liberal culture of its staff, who need to challenge their own assumptions more. “There is a tendency to ‘group think’ with too many staff inhabiting a shared space and comfort zone,” says the report.

It goes on to highlight a “Roneo mentality” where staff ape each other’s common liberal values.

The document, jointly commissioned by BBC managers and the board of governors, now replaced by the BBC Trust, includes details of a staff impartiality seminar at which senior figures criticised the corporation for being antiAmerican and pandering to Islam.

Criticisms highlighted from the seminar include: A senior BBC reporter attacking the corporation for giving “no moral weight” to America. Executives admitting they would broadcast images of a Bible being thrown away – but not the Koran for fear of offending Muslims. The BBC deliberately championing multiculturalism and ethnic minorities, while betraying an anticountryside bias.

Mary Fitzpatrick, the BBC’s “diversity czar”, told the seminar Muslim women newsreaders should be allowed to wear the hijab, or headscarf, on screen. Fitzpatrick spoke out after criticism over Fiona Bruce’s decision to wear a necklace with a cross while reading the news.

Jan 13, 2009 - 11:00 am 116. David Barzelay-Haddad:

WAFA MUSULMANE ET COURAGEUSE …LISEZ LA.

Gaza, ou l’hypocrisie inégalée
Le 12 janvier 2009 par Christophe | Actualités

De Wafa Sultan (وفاء سلطان), article paru dans آفــاق – صفحة المقال.

La célèbre sociologue d’origine syrienne, Wafa Sultan, vient de publier l’un des points de vue le plus cinglants concernant la situation à Gaza. Elle plonge aux origines de l’islam pour expliquer le conflit entre deux conceptions diamétralement opposées : la culture de la vie contre la culture de la mort et du martyre. Elle s’appuie sur des exemples de l’histoire récente pour dénoncer une religion, une culture et une idéologie barbares… En voici les extraits les plus significatifs, traduits par Chawki Freïha (Beyrouth) pour MédiArabe.info

(…) Puisqu’il m’importe peu de satisfaire les uns, de défendre les autres ou d’éviter la colère des troisièmes, je peux dire que le Hamas n’est qu’une sécrétion islamique terroriste dont le comportement irresponsable à l’égard de sa population l’empêche de se hisser au niveau du gouvernement. Mais ceci est conforme à l’habitude, puisque, à travers l’histoire de l’islam, jamais une bande de criminels islamistes n’a respecté ses administrés. (…) Je ne prétends pas défendre Israël, puisque les Juifs ne m’ont pas demandé mon avis quant à leur terre promise. S’ils me demandent mon avis, je leur conseille de brûler leurs livres sacrés et de quitter la région et de sauver leur peau. Car les musulmans constituent une nation rigide exempte de cerveau. Et c’est contagieux. Tous ceux qui les fréquentent perdent la cervelle…

Avant la création de l’État d’Israël, l’histoire n’a jamais mentionné une guerre impliquant les Juifs, ni qu’un Juif ait commandé une armée ou mené une conquête. Mais les musulmans sont des combattants, des conquérants et leur histoire ne manque pas d’exemples et de récits de conquêtes, de morts, de tueries, de razzias… Pour les musulmans, tuer est un loisir. Et s’ils ne trouvent pas un ennemi à tuer, ils s’entretuent entre eux.

Il est impossible pour une nation qui éduque ses enfants sur la mort et le martyre, pour plaire à son créateur, d’enseigner en même temps l’amour de la vie. La vie a-t-elle une valeur pour une société qui inculque à ses enfants qu’ils doivent tuer ou être tués pour aller au Paradis ?

(…) Depuis le début de l’opération israélienne contre Gaza, je suis bombardée de courriers électroniques venant de lecteurs musulmans qui me demandent mon avis sur ce qui se déroule à Gaza. Je ne suis pas concernée par ce qui s’y passe, mais je suis intéressée par les motivations qui animent ceux qui m’écrivent. Je suis convaincue que ce qui les motive n’est pas la condamnation de l’horreur, ni la condamnation de la mort qui sévit à Gaza. Car, si la motivation était réellement la condamnation de la mort, ces mêmes lecteurs se seraient manifestés à d’autres occasions où la vie était menacée.

Ceux qui condamnent le massacre de Gaza, par défense de la vie en tant de valeur, doivent m’interroger sur mon avis à chaque fois que cette vie-valeur était menacée. Plus de 200.000 musulmans Algériens ont été massacrés par d’autres musulmans Algériens ces quinze dernières années, sans qu’aucun musulman ne s’en émeuve. Des femmes Algériennes violées par les islamistes ont témoigné et raconté que leurs violeurs priaient Allah et imploraient son Prophète avant qu’ils ne violent leurs victimes. Mais personne ne m’a demandé mon avis. Plus de 20.000 citoyens syriens musulmans avaient été massacrés par les autorités (Hamas en 1983) sans qu’aucun musulman ne réagisse et sans qu’aucun ne me demande mon avis sur ces massacres étatiques. Des musulmans se sont fait exploser dans des hôtels jordaniens tuant des musulmans innocents qui célébraient des mariages, symboles de la vie-valeur, sans qu’aucune manifestation ne soit organisée à travers le monde, et sans qu’on ne me demande mon avis. En Égypte, des islamistes ont récemment attaqué un village copte et ont massacré 21 paysans, sans qu’un seul musulman ne dénonce ce crime. Saddam Hussein a enterré vivant plus de 300.000 chiites et kurdes, et en a gagé beaucoup plus, sans qu’un seul musulman n’ose réagir et dénoncer ces crimes.

Au plus fort des bombardements de Gaza, une femme musulmane, fidèle et pieuse, s’est fait exploser en Irak dans une mosquée chiite, tuant une trentaine d’innocents, sans que les médias ou les musulmans ne s’en émeuvent. Il y a quelques mois, le Hamas avait aussi tué onze personnes d’une même famille palestinienne, accusés d’appartenir au Fatah, sans que des manifestations ne soient organisées en Europe ou dans le monde arabe, et sans qu’aucun lecteur ne m’écrive et ne m’envoie ses protestations.

Ainsi, la vie n’a pas de valeur pour le musulman (Ceci est faux et la généralisation ne peut être faite que dans un cadre extrémiste, et non dans un cadre global, ndlr). Sinon, il aurait dénoncé toute atteinte à la vie, quelle qu’en soit la victime. Les Palestiniens et leurs soutiens dénoncent les massacres de Gaza, non pas par amour de la vie, mais pour dénoncer l’identité des tueurs. Si le tueur était musulman, appartenant au Hamas ou au Fatah, aucune manifestation n’aurait eu lieu.

(…) CNN a diffusé un documentaire sur Gaza montrant une femme palestinienne qui se lamente et crie : mais qu’on fait nos enfants pour être tués comme ça ? Mais qui sait. Peut-être qu’il s’agit de la même palestinienne qui se réjouissait il y a deux ans quand l’un de ses fils s’était fait exploser dans un restaurant de Tel-Aviv et qui disait souhaiter que ses autres enfants suivent le même exemple et devenir martyrs.

Mais quand l’idéologie et l’endoctrinement sont d’une telle bassesse, il devient normal que cette palestinienne perde toute valeur à la vie. Sinon, elle pleurerait ses enfants de la même façon qu’ils se tuent dans un attentat suicide à Tel-Aviv ou sous les bombes israéliennes. Car, la mort est la même qu’elle qu’en soient les circonstances, et elle demeure rejetée, et au contraire, la vie mérite d’être vécue et pleurée.

Dans ce cas, comment puis-je me solidariser avec une femme qui lance les youyous de jouissance quand l’un de ses enfants se fait exploser contre les juifs (ou contre d’autres personnes, musulmanes ou chrétiennes, ndlr), et elle pleure quand les juifs tuent ses autres enfants ? Mais l’idéologie enseigne aux musulmans que tuer ou être tué permet au fidèle de gagner le paradis. Dans ce cas, pourquoi pleurer les Gazaouis alors qu’ils n’ont pas bougé le petit doigt pour les Irakiens, les Algériens, les Égyptiens ou les Syriens pourtant musulmans ?

(…) Après ce qui précède, je suis certaine que ceux qui m’écrivent et me demandent mon avis sur ce qui se passe à Gaza cherchent à me faire dire ce qu’ils peuvent utiliser pour m’incriminer et me condamner, ou pour me faire dire ce qu’ils ne peuvent exprimer eux-mêmes.

(…) Borhane, un jeune palestinien de 14 ans, a perdu il y a une dizaine d’années ses bras, ses jambes et la vue dans l’explosion d’une mine en Cisjordanie. La communauté palestinienne aux États-Unis s’est mobilisée pour lui venir en aide et financer son hospitalisation dans l’espoir de sauver ce qui pouvait l’être. Lors d’un diner de bienfaisance organisé à son profit en Californie, la plus riche palestinienne des États-Unis s’est présenté en grande fourrure, et a qualifié Borhane de héros. Elle s’est adressée à ce bout de chair immobile et inerte : Borhane, tu es notre héros. Le pays a besoin de toi. Tu dois retourner dans le pays pour empêcher les Sionistes de le confisquer… Mais l’hypocrisie de la palestinienne la plus riche des États-Unis l’empêche d’envoyer ses propres enfants défendre la Palestine contre les Sionistes. Exactement à l’image des chefs du Hamas qui demandent les sacrifices à Gaza, mais restent à l’abri à Damas et à Beyrouth.

(…) La guerre contre Gaza est certes une horreur. Mais elle a le mérite de dévoiler une hypocrisie inégalé dans l’histoire récente de l’humanité. Une hypocrisie qui distingue les Frères Musulmans syriens qui annoncent abandonner leurs activités d’opposition, pour resserrer les rangs contre les sionistes. Mais ces Frères musulmans ont-ils le droit d’oublier les crimes du régime commis contre les leurs à Hama, Homs et Alep ? Avant de se réconcilier avec le régime pour lutter contre les sionistes, ces Frères musulmans ont-ils dénoncé les crimes commis par leurs alliés et partenaires (dans la confrérie) en Algérie et en Irak ? Ont-ils dénoncé la mort de centaines de milliers de chiites en Irak sur le pont des oulémas à Bagdad, pulvérisé par l’un des vôtres conformément aux enseignements de votre religion de la paix et de la miséricorde ? Avez-vous une seule fois dénoncé les exactions contre les chrétiens en Irak ? Ou contre les coptes en Égypte ? Votre hypocrisie nous empêche de croire vos sentiments à l’égard des enfants de Gaza, puisque vous êtes responsables du pire.

(…) Essayons d’imaginer ce que le Hamas aurait fait du Fatah, et des autres, s’il possédait la technologie et les armes d’Israël ? Essayons d’imaginer ce que l’Iran aurait fait des sunnites de la région, s’il détenait les armes modernes que possède Israël ? Ce serait sans doute le massacre garanti.

(…) J’ai récemment rencontré un religieux hindou en marge d’une conférence consacrée à la guerre contre le terrorisme. Il m’a dit : « toutes les guerres se sont déroulées entre le bien et le mal. Sauf la prochaine, elle doit se dérouler entre le mal et le mal ». N’ayant pas compris ses propos, je lui ai demandé des explications. Il m’a dit : « Je suis contre la présence américaine en Irak et en Afghanistan. Si les États-Unis veulent gagner la guerre contre les islamistes, ils doivent se retirer et laisser les deux pôles du mal s’entretuer. Les sunnites et les chiites étant nourris sur la haine, vont se battre et se neutraliser ».

Tirant la conclusion de ces mots remplis de sagesse, on peut dire qu’Israël contribue aujourd’hui, inconsciemment, au succès de l’islam. En s’attaquant à Gaza, Israël pousse les musulmans à se solidariser et à surpasser leurs divergences. Et septembre noir en Jordanie est encore dans tous les esprits (…). Les exactions dont sont capables les arabes et les musulmans dépassent toute imagination. Un char jordanien avait écrasé un palestinien, puis le conducteur du char est descendu de son blindé et a bourré la bouche de sa victime avec un journal… Un comportement qu’aucun militaire israélien n’a eu à Gaza. Aussi, pendant les massacres de Hama en Syrie, des militants des Frères musulmans trempaient leurs mains dans le sang des victimes pour écrire sur les murs : Allah Akbar, gloire à l’islam. Je n’ai jamais entendu qu’un juif ait écrit avec le sang d’un autre juif des slogans à la gloire du judaïsme. Je le dis avec un pincement au cœur : pour sauver l’humanité du terrorisme, il faut que le monde libre se retire et qu’il laisse les musulmans s’entretuer.

(…) Je me souviens quand j’étais étudiante à l’université d’Alep, et quand l’ancien ministre syrien de la Défense Mustapha Tlass était venu nous rencontrer. Dans un élan d’hypocrisie, Tlass nous avait dit qu’« Israël craint la mort et la perte d’un de ses soldats lui fait peur et mal. Mais nous, nous avons beaucoup d’hommes et nos hommes ne craignent pas la mort ». Là réside la différence entre les deux conceptions et les deux camps, et le témoignage de Tlass semble avoir inspiré les dirigeants du Hamas aujourd’hui.

Ainsi, l’extermination de tous les enfants de Gaza importe peu aux dirigeants islamistes et du Hamas, la vie n’ayant aucune valeur pour eux. Ils se réjouissent simplement de la mort de quelques soldats israéliens. Pour les islamistes, l’objectif de la vie est de tuer ou de se faire tuer pour gagner le paradis. La vie n’a donc aucune valeur.

(…) Si le Prophète Mohammed savait que le Juif allait voler un jour à bord des F-16, il n’aurait pas commandé à ses disciples de tuer les juifs jusqu’au jour dernier. Mais ses disciples doivent modifier cette idéologie par pitié pour les générations futures, et pour sauver leur descendance et lui préparer une vie meilleure, loin de l’idéologisation de la mort.

Les musulmans doivent commencer par se changer, pour prétendre changer la vie. Ils doivent rejeter la culture de la mort enseignée et véhiculée par leurs livres. C’est seulement quand ils y parviendront qu’ils n’auront plus d’ennemis. Car, celui qui apprend à aimer son fils plus qu’à haïr son ennemi appréciera mieux la vie. Aussi, jamais la terre ne vaut la vie des personnes, et les Arabes sont le peuple qui a le moins besoin de la terre. Mais paradoxalement, c’est le peuple qui déteste le plus la vie. Quand est-ce que les Arabes comprendront-ils cette équation et commenceront-ils à aimer la vie ?

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Jan 14, 2009 - 5:33 am 117. David Barzelay-Haddad:

ARABES ET MUSULMANS OUVREZ BIEN LES YEUX ET REGARDEZ LA REALITEE ET LA VERITEE FACE A FACE!

La haine a Israel vous aveugle , helas pour vous ,Israel prospere et democrate malgre vos menaces ! .
!
PENDANT 8 ANNEES LE HAMAS (AGENT D’IRAN) LANCE ET TIRE DES MILLIERS DE MISSILES ET ROQUETTES VERS LE SUD D’ISRAEL SANS QU’ISRAEL REAGIE !.

Y EN A MARRE DE CETTE PROVOCATION , HAMAS CIBLE DES CIVILS INNOCENTS , LE MONDE NE S’INTERESSE PAS DE CETTE SITUATOIN INSUPORTABLE , CE MONDE HYPOCRITE COMMENCE A CRIER SEULEMENT AU MOMENT QU’ISRAEL RIPOSTE POUR DEFFENDRE SES CIVILS CE QUI EST UN DROIT LEGALE

LE MALLEUR DES PALESTINIENS C’EST LE HAMAS ET SON REGIME TERRORISTE COUPAPLE DE CETTE GUERRE ,
LE HAMAS SACRIFIE LES INTERETS DE SON PEUPLE POUR LES AYATOLLAHS D’IRAN AVEC LA MEME CONCEPTION : CONTRE LA CULTURE DE LA VIE ET POUR LA CULTURE DES MORTS ET DES MARTYRES.

LA FAUTE DES PALESTINIENS EST D’AVOIR ELECTER ET VOTER A CE GROUPE DJIHADISTE HORRIBLE COMPLICE DES IRANIENS.
LES CIVILS , ENFANTS ,FEMMES ET VIEUX SONT TRANSMIS A DES BOUCLIERS HUMAINS POUR PROTEGER LEUR COMBATTANTS.

GAZA RUINE ET DESTRUITE , LES CHEFS CRIMINELS ISLAMISTES DE HAMAS SE CACHENT DANS DES MOSQUEES , DES ECOLES ET DES HOPITAUX LAISSENT LES CITOYENS SANS GUIDES ET SANS ESPOIRS.
IL FAUT ARRACHER LES RACINES MAUDITES DU HAMAS ET DU DJIHAD POUR RENDRE LA PAIX ET LA PROSPERITEE A GAZA.
REGARDEZ LA CI-JOUDANIE , ELLE A CHOISIE LA NEGOCIATION AVEC L’ETAT HEBREU, ELLE VIE DANS UNE ATMOSPHERE OPTIME VERS L’INDEPENDANCE.
L’IRAN MANNIPULE DANS GAZA ET AU LIBAN AU NOM DE L’ISLAM SIIT EXTERMISTE , HELAS CE QUI PAYENT LE PRIX HORRIBLE C’EST LES PALESTINIENS ET LES ISRAELIENS .

David Barzelay-Haddad
Sud d’israel

http://www.youtube.com/user/idfnadesk

Jan 14, 2009 - 5:35 am 118. Marie Claude:

thanks for your input, I have aready sort out one of the videos from your link on the german think tank

Jan 14, 2009 - 10:59 am 119. reza:

This latest conflict in the middle east made me to write you this. When it comes to Israel and it’s policies toward Arabs, one thing is worth mentioning is “The Collective Punishment”. We all remember what the Israeli army did in Beirut in 2006. If they thought there might be a Hezbollah commander in a building, they would bomb the whole building, the heck with hundreds of innocent resident of that building, after all to the Israeli media they are simply”COLLATERAL DAMAGE”. How many times throughout the history american citizens have been killed or held hostage in hostile countries? Did we go and bomb their entire buildings thinking that our enemies might be in them? How many times our forces in Iraq of Afghanistan have refused to hit a target only out of fear of high civilian casualties? Why do you think in any major conflict with Arabs, the Israelis bar journalist from having access to the area? Because they don’t want their atrocities to be shown to the world. Israel in 1982 invaded a sovereign nation called Lebanon, and yet world stood silent, and when the Lebanese people came together to defend their land against the invader, they were called “Terrorists”.I wonder why we don’t call Russian of French Partisans terrorist. Even though they resorted to so called “Terrorist tactics” by blowing up German trains and supply lines or disrupting their lines of communications, today we call them heroes. I want to know which UN resolution permitted Israel to roll it’s forces across international borders with Lebanon and keep it under occupation for over 18 years, and then call the defenders of Lebanon “Terrorist” simply because they had the guts to resist them and keep their country independent? I want to know how many people actually know anything a Israel atrocities in the villages of Sabra and Shatila? Unfortunately the world has become such that if you criticize Israel you will be called anti Semitic or anti Jew or fanatic this and that. I just hope to see the day that the people of this country and the entire world would punish all Aggression and all Aggressors regardless of any religion. Freedom and independent of their land is the indisputable right of every nation on earth.

Jan 19, 2009 - 11:49 am

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