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		<title>By: Andrew Helms</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/iranian_weapons_american_lives/comment-page-1/#comment-8777</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Helms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 14:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a well-written interview offering a little light on the Iranian influence within Iraq. Just like any other American, I think we need to take every step possible to minimize the loss of lives in Iraq, whether it be American, British, Iraqi, Kurdish, etc.

However, the big question is what do we do with this information. Iran, however complicit it is in Iraq, is simply looking after its own national interest, much like the US does by funding the Northern Alliance before the 2001 invasion, by funding pro-democracy (and semi-terrorist) movements in Iran, and by selling weapons to the enemies of our enemies, and sometimes our friends.

We need to find a constructive and diplomatic manner in which to influence Iran to stop exerting their influence through weapons. We as a country cannot afford another invasion, and we need to maintain all of our political capital to pressure Iran on the Iranian issue.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a well-written interview offering a little light on the Iranian influence within Iraq. Just like any other American, I think we need to take every step possible to minimize the loss of lives in Iraq, whether it be American, British, Iraqi, Kurdish, etc.</p>
<p>However, the big question is what do we do with this information. Iran, however complicit it is in Iraq, is simply looking after its own national interest, much like the US does by funding the Northern Alliance before the 2001 invasion, by funding pro-democracy (and semi-terrorist) movements in Iran, and by selling weapons to the enemies of our enemies, and sometimes our friends.</p>
<p>We need to find a constructive and diplomatic manner in which to influence Iran to stop exerting their influence through weapons. We as a country cannot afford another invasion, and we need to maintain all of our political capital to pressure Iran on the Iranian issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Aqui</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/iranian_weapons_american_lives/comment-page-1/#comment-8776</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Aqui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 21:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To whomever brought up the sniper rifles: That connection, at least, appears to be bunk.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.steyr-mannlicher.com/index.php?id=253&amp;L=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.steyr-mannlicher.com/index.php?id=253&amp;L=1&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/cgi/news/release?id=195331&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/cgi/news/release?id=195331&lt;/a&gt;

I like the video, but the presence of Iranian-made weaponry does not say anything about how it got into Iraq. It could have been bought on the black market, for instance. (And if it were, that would, conversely, not be evidence that Iran wasn&#039;t involved: countries routinely use the black market to disguise what are essentially arms transfers).

I will be vastly unsurprised if it turns out Iran is arming Shiite groups in Iraq. But proving Iranian involvement is going to be very tough indeed, unless they&#039;re caught in the act of delivering it.

And that doesn&#039;t even address the question of who is arming the Sunni insurgents.

Nor does it get at *how much* of the weaponry is Iranian. As the major noted, Iraq is awash in unfathomably huge amounts of leftover ordnance.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To whomever brought up the sniper rifles: That connection, at least, appears to be bunk.<br />
<a href="http://www.steyr-mannlicher.com/index.php?id=253&amp;L=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.steyr-mannlicher.com/index.php?id=253&amp;L=1</a><br />
<a href="http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/cgi/news/release?id=195331" rel="nofollow">http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/cgi/news/release?id=195331</a></p>
<p>I like the video, but the presence of Iranian-made weaponry does not say anything about how it got into Iraq. It could have been bought on the black market, for instance. (And if it were, that would, conversely, not be evidence that Iran wasn&#8217;t involved: countries routinely use the black market to disguise what are essentially arms transfers).</p>
<p>I will be vastly unsurprised if it turns out Iran is arming Shiite groups in Iraq. But proving Iranian involvement is going to be very tough indeed, unless they&#8217;re caught in the act of delivering it.</p>
<p>And that doesn&#8217;t even address the question of who is arming the Sunni insurgents.</p>
<p>Nor does it get at *how much* of the weaponry is Iranian. As the major noted, Iraq is awash in unfathomably huge amounts of leftover ordnance.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/iranian_weapons_american_lives/comment-page-1/#comment-8775</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 19:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given the context of decades of conflict between Iran and the US, it&#039;s absurd to think that the determination of whether Iran is an enemy would ride on the origin of mortars and IED supplies found in Iraq. It might be of some tactical interest to understand supply lines (if the military weren&#039;t paralyzed), but recognizing the fact that Iran is leader of global terrorism certainly doesn&#039;t hinge on such miniscule facts. For example, a State Department report of 1999 identified Iran is the most active state sponsor of terrorism. Or one might consider Iran&#039;s support for organizations like Islamic Jihad, Hamas, and Hezbollah, or the involvement of Iran in attacks on the West over the past 50 years.

That there is some plausibility in looking at these devices to conclude that Iran is our enemy is a tribute to the effectiveness of the MSM in obliterating  all historical context. As Iran flaunts world opinion to accelerate its nuclear program and proclaims &quot;death to the Great Satan America&quot;, we speculate that identifying Iran as the weapons manufacturer is not &lt;i&gt;conclusive&lt;/i&gt; proof of Iran&#039;s involvement, because some 3rd party could be the distributor. How far removed from the events of the last 50 years does one have to be in order to make such an objection seem plausible?

The term &quot;political correctness&quot; obscures the true question at issue: more precisely, it&#039;s &lt;i&gt;moral&lt;/i&gt; correctness.  The Left, the American intellectuals, the church, the Right, and the terrorists all agree that altruism is a proper moral standard - selflessness is the highest virtue. That is why we&#039;re caught in a dead-end effort to defend the US indirectly - to somehow secure the West through the vehicle of charity to the Iraqi people. It is why we have encumbered our troops with Rules of Engagement that put them in harm&#039;s way for the sake of respecting the &lt;i&gt;enemies&lt;/i&gt; ideals, and why we cannot name the enemy. The Right&#039;s current attempt at defense within the moral confies set forth by the Left is doomed to fail. If the Right wants to change course and save America and their party, they&#039;ll have to identify &lt;i&gt;morality&lt;/i&gt; as the issue at stake. reject altruism as the basis for conducting war, and mount a unilateral defense of Western Civilization.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given the context of decades of conflict between Iran and the US, it&#8217;s absurd to think that the determination of whether Iran is an enemy would ride on the origin of mortars and IED supplies found in Iraq. It might be of some tactical interest to understand supply lines (if the military weren&#8217;t paralyzed), but recognizing the fact that Iran is leader of global terrorism certainly doesn&#8217;t hinge on such miniscule facts. For example, a State Department report of 1999 identified Iran is the most active state sponsor of terrorism. Or one might consider Iran&#8217;s support for organizations like Islamic Jihad, Hamas, and Hezbollah, or the involvement of Iran in attacks on the West over the past 50 years.</p>
<p>That there is some plausibility in looking at these devices to conclude that Iran is our enemy is a tribute to the effectiveness of the MSM in obliterating  all historical context. As Iran flaunts world opinion to accelerate its nuclear program and proclaims &#8220;death to the Great Satan America&#8221;, we speculate that identifying Iran as the weapons manufacturer is not <i>conclusive</i> proof of Iran&#8217;s involvement, because some 3rd party could be the distributor. How far removed from the events of the last 50 years does one have to be in order to make such an objection seem plausible?</p>
<p>The term &#8220;political correctness&#8221; obscures the true question at issue: more precisely, it&#8217;s <i>moral</i> correctness.  The Left, the American intellectuals, the church, the Right, and the terrorists all agree that altruism is a proper moral standard &#8211; selflessness is the highest virtue. That is why we&#8217;re caught in a dead-end effort to defend the US indirectly &#8211; to somehow secure the West through the vehicle of charity to the Iraqi people. It is why we have encumbered our troops with Rules of Engagement that put them in harm&#8217;s way for the sake of respecting the <i>enemies</i> ideals, and why we cannot name the enemy. The Right&#8217;s current attempt at defense within the moral confies set forth by the Left is doomed to fail. If the Right wants to change course and save America and their party, they&#8217;ll have to identify <i>morality</i> as the issue at stake. reject altruism as the basis for conducting war, and mount a unilateral defense of Western Civilization.</p>
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		<title>By: Liam H</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/iranian_weapons_american_lives/comment-page-1/#comment-8774</link>
		<dc:creator>Liam H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 18:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Superb in depth report. The Major clearly knows his subject. I am really not sure why anyone would call this propaganda, at least not in a perjorative sense, the Major clearly acknowledged that there was a lot of material left over from the previous regime that was being used for IED&#039;s. However, he also opined that Iran was a supplier of arms. Pretty balanced stuff IMHO. And guess what? If you are so inclined you can disbelieve the Major. There was no editorialising from PM.

And as for the person who said we should think for ourselves, that&#039;s just the sort of reporting that allows you too: you disagreed - QED. However I was disappointed that, given it was described as a &quot;shill&quot; piece there was not an explanation as to why it is thus. I would genuinely like to know what&#039;s the counter argument to the one the Major gave.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Superb in depth report. The Major clearly knows his subject. I am really not sure why anyone would call this propaganda, at least not in a perjorative sense, the Major clearly acknowledged that there was a lot of material left over from the previous regime that was being used for IED&#8217;s. However, he also opined that Iran was a supplier of arms. Pretty balanced stuff IMHO. And guess what? If you are so inclined you can disbelieve the Major. There was no editorialising from PM.</p>
<p>And as for the person who said we should think for ourselves, that&#8217;s just the sort of reporting that allows you too: you disagreed &#8211; QED. However I was disappointed that, given it was described as a &#8220;shill&#8221; piece there was not an explanation as to why it is thus. I would genuinely like to know what&#8217;s the counter argument to the one the Major gave.</p>
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		<title>By: clazy</title>
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		<dc:creator>clazy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 17:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great interview. Why all these comments about &quot;ordinance&quot;? I can&#039;t find the misspelling anywhere. Who is Stumpneck writing too? What&#039;s his point?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great interview. Why all these comments about &#8220;ordinance&#8221;? I can&#8217;t find the misspelling anywhere. Who is Stumpneck writing too? What&#8217;s his point?</p>
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		<title>By: Walter F. Flammond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walter F. Flammond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 16:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ordinance is like a city ordinance.  Ordnance is what we are talking about here i.e. explosives etc.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ordinance is like a city ordinance.  Ordnance is what we are talking about here i.e. explosives etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Insufficiently Sensitive</title>
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		<dc:creator>Insufficiently Sensitive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 15:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If MSM would present news in the manner of this interview, I&#039;d eagerly watch or read it.  But MSM doesn&#039;t.

This interview allows the viewer to draw the conclusions, and deprives the gorgeously-coiffed anchor of his/her God-given right to steer public opinion.

Today&#039;s the 46th anniversary of declaration by the head of the FTC that television programming was a &#039;vast wasteland&#039;.  By contrast, this item by Pajamas Media illuminates the fact that it still is such a wasteland, and monoculturally slanted to boot - including PBS and NPR, the bastard children of Newton Minow&#039;s celebrated speech.

More Pajamas, and less oh-so-sophisticated anchors.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If MSM would present news in the manner of this interview, I&#8217;d eagerly watch or read it.  But MSM doesn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>This interview allows the viewer to draw the conclusions, and deprives the gorgeously-coiffed anchor of his/her God-given right to steer public opinion.</p>
<p>Today&#8217;s the 46th anniversary of declaration by the head of the FTC that television programming was a &#8216;vast wasteland&#8217;.  By contrast, this item by Pajamas Media illuminates the fact that it still is such a wasteland, and monoculturally slanted to boot &#8211; including PBS and NPR, the bastard children of Newton Minow&#8217;s celebrated speech.</p>
<p>More Pajamas, and less oh-so-sophisticated anchors.</p>
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		<title>By: TJ</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 12:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I Have an Iranian friend who once served in the iranian army. since 1979, they have been arming any group that opposses the US, including countryless terrorist groups. our government and most governments around the world are aware of this yet, liberals see fit to dismiss all evidence.

sheep being led to the slaughter!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I Have an Iranian friend who once served in the iranian army. since 1979, they have been arming any group that opposses the US, including countryless terrorist groups. our government and most governments around the world are aware of this yet, liberals see fit to dismiss all evidence.</p>
<p>sheep being led to the slaughter!</p>
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		<title>By: Ricg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ricg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 09:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MAJ Weber is my classmate.  While I do not know him well, I know culture that produced him and it is generally quite trustworthy.

There is nothing here that remotely fits the definition of propaganda, which is information present in a particular way to stimulate a particular response.  Weber stuck to the facts, presented no opinions outside his competence, and, according to Miniter, was even reluctant to go as far as he did.

If he had said the Iranian government sent these to kill Americans, I would require more information, but expressly declined to make such a statement, or to reach the opposite conclusion.

Someone who calls this propaganda is someone unwilling to deal with facts.  And the other facts (not presented here) are, as JaJ noted above, that Austrian-made weapons of the same type sold to the Iranian G o v e r n m e n t (over the protests of our the United States government) have also been found in Iraq.  I have not followed the story closely enought to know whether the serial numbers are the same as those sold to Iran, but the evidence against Iran is piling up, and it is not what I would call a trustworthy source of information.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MAJ Weber is my classmate.  While I do not know him well, I know culture that produced him and it is generally quite trustworthy.</p>
<p>There is nothing here that remotely fits the definition of propaganda, which is information present in a particular way to stimulate a particular response.  Weber stuck to the facts, presented no opinions outside his competence, and, according to Miniter, was even reluctant to go as far as he did.</p>
<p>If he had said the Iranian government sent these to kill Americans, I would require more information, but expressly declined to make such a statement, or to reach the opposite conclusion.</p>
<p>Someone who calls this propaganda is someone unwilling to deal with facts.  And the other facts (not presented here) are, as JaJ noted above, that Austrian-made weapons of the same type sold to the Iranian G o v e r n m e n t (over the protests of our the United States government) have also been found in Iraq.  I have not followed the story closely enought to know whether the serial numbers are the same as those sold to Iran, but the evidence against Iran is piling up, and it is not what I would call a trustworthy source of information.</p>
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		<title>By: Sabot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sabot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 06:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey &#039;Real American&#039; - tell me again how this is propaganda? This info has been coming out of Iraq since 2004. You provide no factual rebuttal, just braying about propaganda and &#039;brainwashing&#039;. Every EOD tech who&#039;s spent time in Iraq will tell you the same thing as the Major interviewed here. You&#039;re the brainwashed moron here...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey &#8216;Real American&#8217; &#8211; tell me again how this is propaganda? This info has been coming out of Iraq since 2004. You provide no factual rebuttal, just braying about propaganda and &#8216;brainwashing&#8217;. Every EOD tech who&#8217;s spent time in Iraq will tell you the same thing as the Major interviewed here. You&#8217;re the brainwashed moron here&#8230;</p>
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