Comments on: Is the Justice Department Serious About Torture Trials?

By: Mr. M

Mr. M — Sat, 18 Jul 2009 03:59:01 +0000

To hell with both parties. There both corrupt to the core. My prayer is that I see a majority of those in both parties one day face the justice they so rightfully deserve.

By: Robohobo

Robohobo — Sat, 18 Jul 2009 03:44:13 +0000

Just more kabuki theater to keep the serfs busy.

By: Paul -Indiana

Paul -Indiana — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 20:39:39 +0000

#51. Your analysis seems reasonable. Most people won’t see through it, either.

By: ding

ding — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:40:15 +0000

All of these truth commissions and left-directed inquiries by the press and ACLU agitation and disjointed rightwing defense muddy the water. Lost is the fact that a man of good will (W) did the best he could with what he had at hand to defend this country.

He used this nations three greatest assets to attack a serious problem; lawyers, guns and money.

Did he cross a line? Well that depends on where the law places that line now, doesn’t it. It’s all so subjective. W’s lawyers tried to establish the line on torture, (hard job that) and now the left has the option of revisiting the issue with their own peculiar vision. The law is a fluid thing, more so for the party in power.

Have/would most presidents have done the same under similar circumstances? Yes. The list abounds.

Will BHO cross a line or two? The answer is most assuredly yes, but will he lawyer up for party or country?

For a soundtrack to this post see, “Lawyers, Guns and Money” by Warren Zevon.

By: Tri Geek

Tri Geek — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 02:46:15 +0000

Oh my- The CIA “Discussed” capturing and/or killing the enemy. The discussions ended and the project did not go forward. Congress was not informed beacuse at that stage they were not required to be informed. Plus, if you want to keep anything secret, you do NOT tell Congress. The Dems do not care about National Security, only party power. They simply leak everything to the NYT. That used to be considered treason. How many secrets has Senator Leahy alone sent off to the NYT? The interrogation procedures we use are designed not to cause harm. All of those clowns who got waterboarded are perfectly healthy today. The Japanese use of torture were no holds barred, and if the prisoner died, so be it. If you can’t see the difference it is because you are blind. Our enemies know that the US is the most humane fighting force in the world. That is why they hide out in schools, mosques, and in neighborhoods. They know our soldiers are under strict rules of engagement. The enemy, on the other hand (the guys you are soooo concerned about protecting) purposely target innocents. Bombs in shopping malls, hotels, etc. They want to cause terror, and that is what they do. You would have us bend over to these clowns. I am so glad my family’s safety doesn’t depend on you.

Go ahead, tell me how that evil Chaney outed Valerie Plame. Nothing of the kind ever happened. There was NO crime. The Justice Dept knew that Richard Armitage outed Plame, yet clearly didn’t think it was a crime, beacause they never braught charges. Armitage was an anti-Bush guy in the State Dept. Stop with your goof-ball crime crap.

By: JED

JED — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 01:45:20 +0000

Torture has been done in all wars. It is part of the heat of battle and demand for vital information. The Geneva Convention rules were instituted to try to add some civility to murder, and make possible prisoner exchanges. Psychopathic sadists were tried. Most of the crimes against humanity were forgiven in a blanket pardon by the president as part of the healing process. Waving the flag of No Torture is trying to assume that all of the soldiers will not become enraged beyond the boundaries of discipline. That is not going to happen. Wars will happen and wars have to be ended beyond the surrender papers.

By: BC

BC — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 23:07:40 +0000

It’s tricky business: Obama is probably the only one who has a pretty good picture overall of what happened during Bush’s tenure, and apparently from what’s been leaking out and what can extrapolated from other bits here and there, there is a lot of bad stuff that would not only embarrass the US, but totally distract from his agenda. So he’s stuck with some no so attractive, no-win options in terms of how to weigh dealing with the less privvy members of congress who want to plunge ahead in stringing up Bush and his people, his supporters who want full disclosure and accountability, and probably his own personal feelings against what he probably intellectually if reluctantly realizes may be best for the country.

By: usafirst

usafirst — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:23:36 +0000

I agree you are hopeless. Never going to critisize your own party regardless to what they do. It’s never their fault, is it?

By: clarice

clarice — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 20:08:03 +0000

Again, you confuse propaganda with facts.

And you try to pass off conclusions as debate.
Hopeless.

By: usafirst

usafirst — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:07:10 +0000

You can dance around the issue all you want, but the ordering of and carrying out of these so-called ‘enhanced interrogation techniques’ (torture) was illegal. I’ve heard all of the justifications; they were necessary, they worked, not really torture (funny), etc.,etc. All of these excuses don’t really matter, or for that matter can’t really be quantified anyhow. It’s all just a smokescreen to cover their asses. If the law was broken (which it was), then the guilty should pay.

I don’t care about the Democrats. If they were guilty let them hang as well. This issue is not about ideology, its about the law.

BTW: Look hard at Cheney and the past administration. This isn’t the only time they broke the law. It seems they had no intention of being restrained about anything they wanted to do. I guess they figured their meat-head followers will back them up no matter what. Such a shame that is the case. Unfortunately it sets the new standard…. no standard. So now Obama can just do what he wants. See how that works. If you don’t demand that the former administration answer for it’s indiscretions, then SHUT UP about the current one.