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		<title>By: Wingless</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wingless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 02:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen...Amen...Amen... And yet this &quot;religion of Peace&quot; yipyap is still perpetrated in the mainstream as if it&#039;s common sense (for G*d sake Salam means Peace, Islam means SUBMISSION).

TYNAN SAID:
&quot;If you actually read the Bible, there are many very warlike and cruel instructions which modern Christian civilization is content to ignore, while still being Christian.&quot;

REPLY:
Now, now, do not compare apples and oranges - do not compare a few passages with a philosophy whose cental tenant is intolerance &amp; superiority over the &quot;infidel&quot;. Islam divides the world into the ABODE OF ISLAM and the ABODE OF WAR. Essentially, those in the ABODE OF WAR are less than human and must be conquered, to be brought into the fold of Islam. Once conquered it does not get much better. Those who are not Muslims are referred to as Dhimmi, they are second-class citizens in that they must pay a special tax (The Jizya, which is HIGHER than the Zakat, which Muslims pay) and do not have many rights afforded to Muslims. THE CLINCHER is that THE KORAN SPELLS OUT THE REASON FOR THIS DHIMMIFICATION, THIS PERSECUTION - It is so that the non-Muslim will &quot;feel subdued&quot; (Sura 9).

The difference between the various prophets is that Muhammed was a WARLORD. He was also an openly dishonest warlord, having gone back on his word with the Jews at Khybar (the blueprint for every Islamic Hudna since, see Hamas, Hezbollah, PLO and their &#039;ceasefire&#039; record).

TYNAN SAID:
The problem with the Islamic world isn’t that it’s Islamic per se, it’s the dictators who are using Islam as a tool to externalize blame for their people’s crappy lives away from themselves. 

MY REPLY:
I will agree that the dictators are the Arabs/Persians and Muslim world&#039;s greatest enemies. I will also agree that they use scapegoating to externalize blame for the misery of their people. However, that blame is put upon Israel and the West.

That has little to do with the Pan-Islamic threat though. Alas, misery does not breed opression. That myth is absolutely devoid of factual observation. The most oppressed, massacred, persecuted people in history never blew themselves up! The Jews have not accepted terrorism and targetting of civilians as a mainstream norm. The blacks (of America and Africa) are not bombing coffee shops. The Kurds do not target civilians as their main modus operandi. Sub Suharan Africa is amongst the most miserable places on Earth yet even Al Qaeda has trouble recruiting there.

The miseducation and brainwashing from birth has something to do with it but the violent history and spirit of Islam is the greatest factor.

TYNAN SAID:
Islam, as written in the Koran, is only marginally more violent than Christianity.

MY REPLY:
THAT IS PATENTLY ABSURD! I&#039;m sorry, I am simply floored by that comment. You need to open up your New Testament and your Koran and read them. There is no parallel or similarity in the level of violence and calls for death and destruction within the Koran.

There are similarities between the stories in the OLD TESTAMENT and Koran, but here to, the Koran distinguishes itself in its calls for shaming, persecuting and killing.

Here is a TINY, MINISCULE SAMPLING (taken from my last blog post)

SURA 9:5: …slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush.

SURA 5:33 The just retribution for those who fight GOD and His messenger, and commit horrendous crimes, is to be killed, or crucified, or to have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or to be banished from the land. This is to humiliate them in this life, then they suffer a far worse retribution in the Hereafter.  

SURA 2:39: But they who disbelieve, and deny Our revelations, such are rightful Peoples of the Fire. They will abide therein. (my note: Peoples of the Fire - abide therein, aka put them in fire, burn them!)

SURA 2:191: And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.

SURA 2:194: And one who attacketh you, attack him in like manner as he attacked you. Observe your duty to Allah, and know that Allah is with those who ward off (evil).

SURA 2:254: …The disbelievers, they are the wrong-doers

SURA 4:89: They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them

SURA 4:91: If they keep not aloof from you nor offer you peace nor hold their hands, then take them and kill them wherever ye find them. Against such We have given you clear warrant.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen&#8230;Amen&#8230;Amen&#8230; And yet this &#8220;religion of Peace&#8221; yipyap is still perpetrated in the mainstream as if it&#8217;s common sense (for G*d sake Salam means Peace, Islam means SUBMISSION).</p>
<p>TYNAN SAID:<br />
&#8220;If you actually read the Bible, there are many very warlike and cruel instructions which modern Christian civilization is content to ignore, while still being Christian.&#8221;</p>
<p>REPLY:<br />
Now, now, do not compare apples and oranges &#8211; do not compare a few passages with a philosophy whose cental tenant is intolerance &amp; superiority over the &#8220;infidel&#8221;. Islam divides the world into the ABODE OF ISLAM and the ABODE OF WAR. Essentially, those in the ABODE OF WAR are less than human and must be conquered, to be brought into the fold of Islam. Once conquered it does not get much better. Those who are not Muslims are referred to as Dhimmi, they are second-class citizens in that they must pay a special tax (The Jizya, which is HIGHER than the Zakat, which Muslims pay) and do not have many rights afforded to Muslims. THE CLINCHER is that THE KORAN SPELLS OUT THE REASON FOR THIS DHIMMIFICATION, THIS PERSECUTION &#8211; It is so that the non-Muslim will &#8220;feel subdued&#8221; (Sura 9).</p>
<p>The difference between the various prophets is that Muhammed was a WARLORD. He was also an openly dishonest warlord, having gone back on his word with the Jews at Khybar (the blueprint for every Islamic Hudna since, see Hamas, Hezbollah, PLO and their &#8216;ceasefire&#8217; record).</p>
<p>TYNAN SAID:<br />
The problem with the Islamic world isn’t that it’s Islamic per se, it’s the dictators who are using Islam as a tool to externalize blame for their people’s crappy lives away from themselves. </p>
<p>MY REPLY:<br />
I will agree that the dictators are the Arabs/Persians and Muslim world&#8217;s greatest enemies. I will also agree that they use scapegoating to externalize blame for the misery of their people. However, that blame is put upon Israel and the West.</p>
<p>That has little to do with the Pan-Islamic threat though. Alas, misery does not breed opression. That myth is absolutely devoid of factual observation. The most oppressed, massacred, persecuted people in history never blew themselves up! The Jews have not accepted terrorism and targetting of civilians as a mainstream norm. The blacks (of America and Africa) are not bombing coffee shops. The Kurds do not target civilians as their main modus operandi. Sub Suharan Africa is amongst the most miserable places on Earth yet even Al Qaeda has trouble recruiting there.</p>
<p>The miseducation and brainwashing from birth has something to do with it but the violent history and spirit of Islam is the greatest factor.</p>
<p>TYNAN SAID:<br />
Islam, as written in the Koran, is only marginally more violent than Christianity.</p>
<p>MY REPLY:<br />
THAT IS PATENTLY ABSURD! I&#8217;m sorry, I am simply floored by that comment. You need to open up your New Testament and your Koran and read them. There is no parallel or similarity in the level of violence and calls for death and destruction within the Koran.</p>
<p>There are similarities between the stories in the OLD TESTAMENT and Koran, but here to, the Koran distinguishes itself in its calls for shaming, persecuting and killing.</p>
<p>Here is a TINY, MINISCULE SAMPLING (taken from my last blog post)</p>
<p>SURA 9:5: …slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush.</p>
<p>SURA 5:33 The just retribution for those who fight GOD and His messenger, and commit horrendous crimes, is to be killed, or crucified, or to have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or to be banished from the land. This is to humiliate them in this life, then they suffer a far worse retribution in the Hereafter.  </p>
<p>SURA 2:39: But they who disbelieve, and deny Our revelations, such are rightful Peoples of the Fire. They will abide therein. (my note: Peoples of the Fire &#8211; abide therein, aka put them in fire, burn them!)</p>
<p>SURA 2:191: And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.</p>
<p>SURA 2:194: And one who attacketh you, attack him in like manner as he attacked you. Observe your duty to Allah, and know that Allah is with those who ward off (evil).</p>
<p>SURA 2:254: …The disbelievers, they are the wrong-doers</p>
<p>SURA 4:89: They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them</p>
<p>SURA 4:91: If they keep not aloof from you nor offer you peace nor hold their hands, then take them and kill them wherever ye find them. Against such We have given you clear warrant.</p>
<p><a href="http://wingless.aoriginality.com/?p=16#more-16" rel="nofollow">http://wingless.aoriginality.com/?p=16#more-16</a></p>
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		<title>By: khalil gibran</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/islamist-chickens-roosting-in-americas-backyard/comment-page-1/#comment-40032</link>
		<dc:creator>khalil gibran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 15:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] don&#039;t have to battle them here? Actually, we are fighting their poisonous ideology at home as well.http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/islamist-chickens-roosting-in-americas-backyard/Kahlil Gibran, 85 Provincetown BannerKahlil Gibran, 85, of Boston??s South End, died on April 13 of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] don&#8217;t have to battle them here? Actually, we are fighting their poisonous ideology at home as well.http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/islamist-chickens-roosting-in-americas-backyard/Kahlil Gibran, 85 Provincetown BannerKahlil Gibran, 85, of Boston??s South End, died on April 13 of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Chas Nemo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chas Nemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 20:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fear radical Islamists will form a fith column in America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fear radical Islamists will form a fith column in America.</p>
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		<title>By: R Faber</title>
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		<dc:creator>R Faber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 23:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: an email from Westerners in Kenya...have lived there for 12 years and know of Obama&#039;s Muslim family quite well. Barack Hussein Muhammed Obama for president? God (of the Bible) help our land!!

They are not only in our backyards but actively campaigning across America for our votes!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: an email from Westerners in Kenya&#8230;have lived there for 12 years and know of Obama&#8217;s Muslim family quite well. Barack Hussein Muhammed Obama for president? God (of the Bible) help our land!!</p>
<p>They are not only in our backyards but actively campaigning across America for our votes!!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Canzano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Canzano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 12:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Political Correctness is a politically correct euphemism for COWARDICE. A Nation must demand &quot;Assimilation&quot; in order to maintain its Sovereignty. Non assimilation should be sufficient cause for deportation. If one does not want to become an American Citizen one should have stayed in their country of birth.
We have enough &quot;America Haters&quot; here already and do not need to import more.
American Christian Infidel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Political Correctness is a politically correct euphemism for COWARDICE. A Nation must demand &#8220;Assimilation&#8221; in order to maintain its Sovereignty. Non assimilation should be sufficient cause for deportation. If one does not want to become an American Citizen one should have stayed in their country of birth.<br />
We have enough &#8220;America Haters&#8221; here already and do not need to import more.<br />
American Christian Infidel</p>
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		<title>By: Roasting Islamist Chickens &#124; Security Debrief - a blog of homeland security news and analysis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roasting Islamist Chickens &#124; Security Debrief - a blog of homeland security news and analysis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 20:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Youssef M. Ibrahim blogs on the threat posed by homegrown terrorism: In the very real war on terror, a nosy squabble over “fighting them there so we don’t have to fight them here” clouds a simple truth: namely, that “they” are here already. Indeed, Islamists are busy constructing a wing of jihad in America’s backyard. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Youssef M. Ibrahim blogs on the threat posed by homegrown terrorism: In the very real war on terror, a nosy squabble over “fighting them there so we don’t have to fight them here” clouds a simple truth: namely, that “they” are here already. Indeed, Islamists are busy constructing a wing of jihad in America’s backyard. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Infiltration &#171; Conservative Liberal</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/islamist-chickens-roosting-in-americas-backyard/comment-page-1/#comment-37220</link>
		<dc:creator>Infiltration &#171; Conservative Liberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 21:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Read it and be scared.  Here is the Yossef Ibrahim&#8217;s article that Frank Gaffney mentions: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Read it and be scared.  Here is the Yossef Ibrahim&#8217;s article that Frank Gaffney mentions: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: dark helmet</title>
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		<dc:creator>dark helmet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 13:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris R,

You won&#039;t have any of them with out the second one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris R,</p>
<p>You won&#8217;t have any of them with out the second one.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 09:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The various chumps who fund and broadcast anti-Western media to adoring, brainwashed fans can keep wasting their money. Anyone who agrees with those anti-Western views will find their fix of adulterated news, not matter how many outlets are shut down.

Time Warner picked up TAC because they&#039;re trying to make money by meeting a market demand. Time Warner makes a little cash and the Feds have a nice list of subscribers they can subpoena any time they like. I am not surprised that Time Warner would pick up a channel like TAC. I&#039;ve seen far stranger channels than TAC on various networks. Heck, a channel called LOGO offers us a show called &quot;Transamerican Love Story&quot;. I would rather watch Al Jazeera in Arabic, even though I don&#039;t know Arabic and I despise Al Jazeera.

They can have their First Amendment rights, I don&#039;t mind one bit...as long as I have my Second Amendment rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The various chumps who fund and broadcast anti-Western media to adoring, brainwashed fans can keep wasting their money. Anyone who agrees with those anti-Western views will find their fix of adulterated news, not matter how many outlets are shut down.</p>
<p>Time Warner picked up TAC because they&#8217;re trying to make money by meeting a market demand. Time Warner makes a little cash and the Feds have a nice list of subscribers they can subpoena any time they like. I am not surprised that Time Warner would pick up a channel like TAC. I&#8217;ve seen far stranger channels than TAC on various networks. Heck, a channel called LOGO offers us a show called &#8220;Transamerican Love Story&#8221;. I would rather watch Al Jazeera in Arabic, even though I don&#8217;t know Arabic and I despise Al Jazeera.</p>
<p>They can have their First Amendment rights, I don&#8217;t mind one bit&#8230;as long as I have my Second Amendment rights.</p>
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		<title>By: Dark Helmet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dark Helmet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 01:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chuck Pelto

Here&#039;s a blast from the past. 

&quot;Mottengators: A million little MF coming down the hill all at once at you.&quot; 

Personal Assistant to General Carter Magruder, 8th Army Korea whose job it was to deflect potential mottengators. 

Being an American means everything, being a capitolist is what unites us all as Americans. Putting that first is what makes us all free. Not much room for mohamed worship in that picture. 

Some of the greatest Americans I know are from Persia. They understand that this is a land of opportunity, not entitlement. This is a very unpopular outlook amoungst those who hate liberty freedom and justice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chuck Pelto</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a blast from the past. </p>
<p>&#8220;Mottengators: A million little MF coming down the hill all at once at you.&#8221; </p>
<p>Personal Assistant to General Carter Magruder, 8th Army Korea whose job it was to deflect potential mottengators. </p>
<p>Being an American means everything, being a capitolist is what unites us all as Americans. Putting that first is what makes us all free. Not much room for mohamed worship in that picture. </p>
<p>Some of the greatest Americans I know are from Persia. They understand that this is a land of opportunity, not entitlement. This is a very unpopular outlook amoungst those who hate liberty freedom and justice.</p>
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