214 Comments

1. Francis W. Porretto:

Between “Islamist perfidy” and “Western naivete,” it’s a toss-up. Surging past both is the incredible willingness of Western cultures to pander to Islamic “sensitivities,” which is of Biblical lethality.

Muslims come from cultures that respect nothing but strength. More, their creed dictates that they should press for Islamic rule of the lands where they dwell when they perceive “the infidel” to be weak. The implications for a strategy of appeasement should be obvious.

Indeed, the implications are so obvious as to call into question the motives of those who urge us toward “greater sensitivity to Muslims’ sensitivities.” This is a case where “How stupid can you be?” is a highly relevant question that demands a candid answer.

Nov 9, 2009 - 1:53 am 2. Terry:

The culture of political correctness will be the death of us all. Politicians, the media, ”experts” from academia, are all collaborators in a deliberate attempt to obfuscate the truth about Islam. And, there is plenty of Saudi money pushing that agenda. Leftists are allied with Islamic fascists to defeat the capitalist enemy while liberals are duped with pretty rhetoric, the classic ”useful idiots” more or less asleep at the wheel. We are now routinely told to ignore the ever-mounting evidence of what Islam really is – asked to close our eyes & shut off our brains & swallow a bunch of make-believe BS, all in the name of a moronic political correctness & false moral equivalancy. Europe is already sinking fast but we are right there behind them, following the same path to the destruction of our civilzation.

Nov 9, 2009 - 2:08 am 3. ehunter:

Absolutely SPOT ON TARGET.

Nov 9, 2009 - 2:16 am 4. alex:

Just once i would like to see the dots everyone connects on this website to actually extend and complete the connection.

Melek Can Dickerson (Turkish Spy) > Marc Grossman > Richard Pearle > Douglas Feith > Dennis Hastert > Chicago political machine > Turkish and Middle Eastern groups involved in weapons trade, money laundering, drug smuggling financing Al Qaeda.

There are no Republicans or Democrats in this, there are only individuals using their position and relationships to generate massive amounts of cash and retainers working for groups aligned with terrorist organizations.

Nov 9, 2009 - 3:06 am 5. Libertyship46:

This is political correctness gone crazy. I really am sick and tired of trying to “understand” the people who are trying to kill us. The radical jihadis are certainly not trying to “understand” the West and their only solution to everything is the extermination of the infidels. This doesn’t sound very open-minded to me, so I wonder why we should try to embrace these nuts, as if by being nice to them it will convince them to leave us alone. The Muslims don’t like us and the West certainly doesn’t like them and it has been this way for centuries. Even as far back as 1800, only a few years after this nation was formed, the Jefferson administration sent US Navy warships to fight Muslim Barbary State pirates that were threatening American merchant trade. So this animosity between the United States and Islam goes way back and it’s certainly not going to be resolved with bambi in the White House. The only time the West has gotten anywhere with Islam is when it showed pure, substantial, military force. Say what you will about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but Muslim leaders in that part of the world know that fighting the United States (especially when it’s motivated as it was in Afghanistan right after 9/11) can be a losing proposition. Even when we do eventually leave Iraq and Afghanistan, Muslims in that part of the world will think twice before taking on the United States militarily. Washington, as well as the West, is losing sight of this historical lesson and they do so at their own peril.

Nov 9, 2009 - 3:42 am 6. OMNIA21:

The really sobering question is whather Obama knew and understood exactly what he was saying.

Nov 9, 2009 - 4:29 am 7. RE:

From its beginnings Islam has always been hostile and violent. It’s Western nihilistic postmodern cultural capitulation that is the changed variable in the equation.

I blame German philosophers and the people that subscribe to them.

Nov 9, 2009 - 4:31 am 8. Stephen Rittenberg:

Agree with above, especially Fran and Terry. I would add, however, that it is a combination of political correctness and cowardice that will get us all killed. It’s cowardice that makes many grasp for the benign explanations and the blame the victims attitude. Our culture has been feminized and gradually our institutions have been infected by P.C. so even General Casey can express concerns, not for the possibility of more non-Muslims being murdered by Muslims, but for the possibility of a backlash against Muslims!

Nov 9, 2009 - 4:33 am 9. Booker T. Gain:

DUMMIES: THE DEMOCRAT-MEDIA COMPLEX (and those afraid to stand up to their hegemony)

An American President goes to Cairo and lies about the history of Islam, giving Islam credit for inventions of the Chines and dhimmis living under Muslim rule and his nation, while still fighting a war with Islam, raises barely a peep.

Did Obama engage in these distortions, which can only give Islamists new hope and strength because he is naive or is it because he is a closet Muslim?

Does it matter? What would he be doing differently if he were a closet Muslim?

Nov 9, 2009 - 4:39 am 10. jb:

In this case it pays to be an ignorant redneck who just doesn’t like any funny religion that doesn’t approve of beer, ham sandwiches, or dogs.

Nov 9, 2009 - 4:51 am 11. Gary Ogletree:

Hard to say which is more lethal. In the big picture, islam exploits our open society and good will, so it looks like our virtues are being used against us. But this encourages them to over play their hand, just like 9/11. Both the Sunni and Shia jihadi groups over played their hands in Iraq and pushed the muslim population into an alliance with us infidels. Virtue always prevails in the long run. The question is how many innocent people will be murdered before we wake up.

Nov 9, 2009 - 4:58 am 12. Brownie:

I think that he knew very well what he was saying. He also knew that he could get away with it no problem at all.

Nov 9, 2009 - 5:03 am 13. ked5:

Just because he quoted the verse doesn’t mean he didn’t know EXACTLY (with all its nuance’s) what he was quoting, to *that* particular audience. His actual actions would seem to indicate he shares those feelings of “let’s destroy america”.

Nov 9, 2009 - 5:04 am 14. pelaut:

Thank you, Raymond! BHO knew exactly what he was misquoting, and that it would be interpreted by students of the Koran based on its full context.

You are proof that PC and M/C do not define Amercanism. You are a patriot.

Nov 9, 2009 - 5:08 am 15. Samson:

…..it is duplicity stupid

Nov 9, 2009 - 5:54 am 16. Parabellum:

When someone says they are going to kill you believe them.

Nov 9, 2009 - 6:19 am 17. BackwardsBoy:

In the wake of the terrible massacre at Ft. Hood, it’s time for us to answer this question: At what point does freedom of “religion”, Islam in this case, cease and sedition begin? Islam isn’t reticent about their stated goal of establishing a caliphate, with the West being subsumed and dominated by it.
It should be plainly evident that we have a true enemy in Islam. One that is cunning and patient, and that will use any means to achieve its’ goal of destroying America, both overt and covert. I wonder when our leaders will acknowledge that fact and begin to treat our enemy accordingly.

Nov 9, 2009 - 7:15 am 18. alex:

Why would this Nations Leaders acknowledge people putting cash in their pocket are the enemy…?

There are ongoing investigations centered in Chicago that branch out to Washington DC involving Senators, Congressman, FBI and CIA officials receiving cash bribes, in some cases $500,000.00 payment(s). The cash traces back to Terrorist organizations fronted by Turkish and Middle eastern advocacy groups.

The next several years will be very interesting.

Nov 9, 2009 - 7:23 am 19. Filthy Screw:

I have said this before, PC is a fashion/fad that will kill us. The elites don’t care because they are mostly insulted from the results. They do not understand/care that their fad will kill other Americans. Just like they don’t care that fuel standards kill Americans or that bans on pesticides kill Africans.

Nov 9, 2009 - 7:29 am 20. moho:

In a blog entry for Islamist Watch, David J. Rusin shows how the word “jihad” continues to be euphemized in the West. Despite Islamic law’s unequivocal portrayal of it as a military endeavor to empower Islam, jihad is still being peddled as “nothing more than a student laboring to pass algebra, a mom driving her kids to soccer practice, or, in the words of the Cambridge study, a civic-minded person engaged in ‘lobbying, activism, and writing’ — a community organizer of sorts.” Rusin concludes by observing: “Why Islamists peddle such specious definitions should be clear. More baffling and disturbing is why they gain traction among so many Westerners.”

I really do wonder if your readers are as stupid as you think they are. I suppose the comments will tell the tale. In the meantime–though it should be completely obvious to anyone, here’s a list of American usages of “war-like” words, used so commonly, you numbskulls are probably completely unaware of it. And by the way, its not a surprise that these words are such a daily part of our lives–we’ve been at war for the majority of the last 50 years!

Oh wait, first, my favorite bible verse. I can’t wait to hear you Christian jihadists whine about how you only pay attention to the New Testament now.

You will chase your enemies, and they shall fall by the sword before you. Five of you shall chase a hundred, and a hundred of you shall put ten thousand to flight; your enemies shall fall by the sword before you.” (Leviticus 26:3)

[this one made me laugh out loud. God, how you people are stupid! And hey, check this out, its used in the bible, specifically to indicate war]
Battle: Every day is an uphill battle. Life is a battle against a higher enemy – and we are the underdogs (rebels?) seeking higher ground.

Battleground: The senate has become the battleground for stem cell lobbyists. Opposing lobbyists are civil-war warriors seeking to sieze a specific legal territory from (disputed zone) lawmakers. Don’t forget “Battleground states” you probably use that one nearly every day, you fool!

Under fire: The president has been under fire for his veto of the stem cell bill. Politics is war, with word-bullets a popular means of attack

Firestorm: Stem cell research has created a firestorm of controversy. Controversy is heat, and is self-perpetuating (also heated debate or discussion). (Note: self-perpetuating heat is also a quality of friction, another metaphor for disagreement).

Bombard: The president was bombarded with questions from the press. The press is an enemy state, whose purpose is to destroy the president.

Salvo: The opposition’s speech was the opening salvo of an attack on foreign policy. Words are artillery in the war to seize political territory.

Attack: The opposition’s speech was the opening salvo of an attack on foreign policy. A speech is only part of a broader offensive along a specific political front.

Beseiged: She entered the interview and was immediately beseiged by personnel staff. An interview can be a battle, with the interviewer(s) seeking the upper hand.

Front lines: The organization works at the front lines of the war on poverty. Poverty is an enemy state, occupying the homes of the poor.

War zone: The O. J. Simpson courtroom had become a war zone, with witnesses caught in the crossfire. A courtroom is a place of open war, with facts and arguments the weapons, and witnesses in no-man’s-land.

Flank: The president drew criticism from the Republican flank. Parties are armies in the war of politics.

Join the ranks: Clinton decided to join the ranks of foreign policy critics. Opposition creates armies.

Crossfire: She didn’t want to get caught in the crossfire of her parent’s divorce. Divorce is war, and the child is a third party. Verbal bullets in this crossfire form a net, hence “caught”.

Blockade: “Still the Majority Leader held off, resisting the growing calls to implement a deliberate solution to this unprecedented, unfair, and frankly outrageous filibuster blockade.” (Senator Orrin G. Hatch). A filibuster is a type of blockade used in political warfare, which limits the mobility of an enemy party. Its user sees it as a tactic, its target sees it as a war crime.

No-man’s land: Party moderates found themselves in a political no-man’s-land, with pro and con members battling around them. Intraparty disputes form political “civil wars”, with moderates caught in a disputed zone between polarized factions. It’s lonely in the middle!

War: “War on the middle class!” (Lou Dobbs). Government policy is a weapon of class wars.

Troops: Greenpeace called in the troops to protest the whale hunt. Protests are battles in a war of conscience.

Powder keg: The court’s decision is sure to set off a powder keg of dissent among defense supporters. An important decision is a spark igniting sudden change [see: Roe V. Wade].

Bombshell 1: “Boy Band Bombshell!” (Daily Show). Beliefs are a landscape, disillusionment is devastating.

Bombshell 2: “Marylin Monroe: Blonde Bombshell”. Another’s attractiveness can devastate the even landscape of one’s self control.

Dud: Her last boyfriend turned out to be a dud. Romance that does not bloom does not explode.

Nov 9, 2009 - 7:32 am 21. justasimplepatriot:

“Going Postal” = outdated.

“Going Muslim” = The new reality.

The Obama administration is a Man-Caused Disaster!

Nov 9, 2009 - 7:33 am 22. David W. Lincoln:

The difference between Islamist perfidy & Western Naivety is this: the difference between cyanide & arsenic.

Both are deadly, and both cheat ultimately everyone
from time & effort. For time is spent in this less
than productive venture, and time is lost recovering from the effects of these actions which
do not come close to reaching the mark of what life
ought to be, and indeed can be.

Nov 9, 2009 - 7:39 am 23. A.W.:

Ah, but you don’t recognize the brilliant ninjitzu going on here. you write:

> Had Obama or his Mideast advisors and speechwriters simply bothered to read this verse in context

So this how he puts all that “secret muslim” stuff to rest, by proving he hasn’t read the koran at all!

Nov 9, 2009 - 7:42 am 24. hoads:

I’m with some of the other comments here. That Obama quoted a favorite jihadist Koran verse out of context was no blunder. It is denial that allowed Hassan’s obvious jihad behavior to culminate into Fort Hood. Are we going to continue to deny that Obama has questionable deference and allegiance to the countries who advocate jihad? The evidence is right in front of our noses. The people see it but, our intelligentsia won’t go there. God help us all.

Nov 9, 2009 - 7:43 am 25. moho:

justasimplemindedpatriot:

That made me laugh. The number of American non-Islamic murder sprees far outnumber those of Muslims, you idiot.

Austin, Texas, Aug. 1, 1966: 17 dead, 31 wounded at the University of Texas.

Edmond, Okla., Aug, 20, 1986: 15 dead and six wounded at the Edmond post office.

Louisville, Ky., June 18, 1990: Nine dead, 12 wounded at Standard Gravure Corp.

Jacksonville, Fla., June 18, 1990: 10 dead, four wounded at a GMAC office.

San Francisco, Calif., July 1, 1993: Nine dead, six wounded at a law office.

Littleton, Colo., April 20, 1999: 15 dead, 23 wounded at Columbine High School.

Atlanta, July 29, 1999: 13 dead and 13 wounded at a brokerage office.

Beltrami County, Minn., March 21, 2005: Nine killed and seven wounded, most at Red Lake High School.

Blacksburg, Va., April 16, 2007: 32 killed and more than a dozen wounded at Virginia Tech.

DeKalb, Ill., Feb. 14, 2008: Six killed and 18 wounded at Northern Illinois University.

Covina, Calif., Dec. 24, 2008: Nine killed at a Christmas Eve party.

Don’t forget Oklahoma City. And many, many more. This is only a partial list, because undoubtedly, nothing is more common in American sensational news than the American Murder Spree.

This focus on Islam is the mark of a society in decline. As its ramparts fall, the denizens become obsessed with the inequities of others, rather than focusing on what’s driving their own dissolution. Keep talking about the Muslims, you fool, and in ten years you’ll be signing your name in Chinese characters.

Nov 9, 2009 - 7:46 am 26. BettyBlue:

Ah, yes, America is so bad! It uses warlike words!

Unlike Islam, which commits warlike acts! http://sheikyermami.com/2009/10/31/thai-jihad-3/

Nov 9, 2009 - 7:54 am 27. Ding:

Turns out our Major hit the strip clubs for a month before he tried to get his 72 virgins, once for over 6 hours. Got a lap dance and whatnot. Does it make his sin bigger because he didn’t complete his mission?

So . . . next time you see that god-fearing muslim friend of yours step into Hooters . . . be afraid, be very afraid.

Nov 9, 2009 - 8:01 am 28. moho:

Ah, yes, America is so bad! It uses warlike words! Unlike Islam, which commits warlike acts!

LOL. We’re in two wars at once you idiot.

Nov 9, 2009 - 8:02 am 29. Ding:

Back in the old days, educated Muslims understood that the 72 virgins, with names like justice and wisdom, where metaphors for the intimate relation believers were going to have with Allah.

Now educated Muslims use this verse to entice followers to murder.

Guess this means our Major is not a deep thinker.

Nov 9, 2009 - 8:13 am 30. Paul -Indiana:

mmm mmm mmm DHIMMI mmm mmm mmm

Nov 9, 2009 - 8:32 am 31. Ding:

Major Sadface also attended the same Mosque at the same time as some other friends of ours.

Like I tell my kids, you are who you hang out with.

Nov 9, 2009 - 8:33 am 32. walt b:

I have attached an excerpt from a recent Stratfor article that sheds some light on the new strategy being employed by the jihadis. It’s very possible that Hasan was using this new simplified “playbook” and choose Ft Hood execute the plan.

I believe we can expect more of the same in the U.S….and there really isn’t a good way to stop it.

“In the 11th edition of the online magazine Sada al-Malahim (The Echo of Battle), which was released to jihadist Web sites last week, al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) leader Nasir al-Wahayshi wrote an article that called for jihadists to conduct simple attacks against a variety of targets. The targets included “any tyrant, intelligence den, prince” or “minister” (referring to the governments in the Muslim world like Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Yemen), and “any crusaders whenever you find one of them, like at the airports of the crusader Western countries that participate in the wars against Islam, or their living compounds, trains etc.,” (an obvious reference to the United States and Europe and Westerners living in Muslim countries).

Al-Wahayshi, an ethnic Yemeni who spent time in Afghanistan serving as a lieutenant under Osama bin Laden, noted these simple attacks could be conducted with readily available weapons such as knives, clubs or small improvised explosive devices (IEDs). According to al-Wahayshi, jihadists “don’t need to conduct a big effort or spend a lot of money to manufacture 10 grams of explosive material” and that they should not “waste a long time finding the materials, because you can find all these in your mother’s kitchen, or readily at hand or in any city you are in.”

That al-Wahayshi gave these instructions in an Internet magazine distributed via jihadist chat rooms, not in some secret meeting with his operational staff, demonstrates that they are clearly intended to reach grassroots jihadists — and are not intended as some sort of internal guidance for AQAP members. In fact, al-Wahayshi was encouraging grassroots jihadists to “do what Abu al-Khair did” referring to AQAP member Abdullah Hassan Taleh al-Asiri, the Saudi suicide bomber who attempted to kill Saudi Deputy Interior Minister Prince Mohammed bin Nayef with a small IED on Aug. 28.

The most concerning aspect of al-Wahayshi’s statement is that it is largely true. Improvised explosive mixtures are in fact relatively easy to make from readily available chemicals — if a person has the proper training — and attacks using small IEDs or other readily attainable weapons such as knives or clubs (or firearms in the United States) are indeed quite simple to conduct.”

Nov 9, 2009 - 8:38 am 33. Paul of Alexandria:

Some references:
Koran translation
Quran transliteration
Jihad Watch – blogging the quran

Nov 9, 2009 - 8:41 am 34. Ding:

Major Sillypants was also making an effort to contact aQ. Probably just pen pals.

Nov 9, 2009 - 8:44 am 35. Ding:

Oh! And he was on the hunt for a super-duper-devout Muslim wife! He couldn’t find one and so, a little T and A, some suds and BANG!

If there had only been a virtuous Muslim women about.

Nov 9, 2009 - 8:52 am 36. moho:

Like I tell my kids, you are who you hang out with.

Well, I hope for his sake then that he doesn’t hang out with you. You’re a total db.

Nov 9, 2009 - 8:55 am 37. bubblehead:

Moho, it appers you’ve gone off your meds again! Chill out man!

Here is the fundamental difference between Islam and Christianity:

My God loves me and made me for His purpose. He wants me to learn to love Him and to become like Him, Holy in every way. He loves me so much, He sent His Son from heaven to live among men and be slaughtered by them, thus becoming a wholly perfect sacrifice for my sins so I do not have to suffer the consequences I so righly deserve.

Jesus left us with two great commands:

Love thy God with all thy might and all thy heart and all thy soul.

Love thy neighbor as thyself.

In Islam, there is no love. God is chaotic and exhorts his people to murder, rape, slavery, plunder and endless war. In Islam, no one can know god because he can be anything he wants to be. In Islam, right and wrong are always couched in the political context of who commits the act and who is the act committed against. In Islam, something done to one who is a muslim could be a crime, while the same thing against the jews is applauded. Islam is a wholly humanistic view of the world and mankind with all the faults and errors of human thinking. In Islam, there is no need for God; the Koran exhorts men to act like men have always acted! You don’t need commands from God for that!

And before you start; I have read the Koran once, long ago. I found it to be disjointed and confusing and since I had been raised to respect all people I could not relate to the hatred in it.

I would like to offer for you to read the Bible from cover to cover with an open mind. Then, if you still prefer Islam, you’ve lost only time.

Nov 9, 2009 - 8:55 am 38. moho:

Here is the fundamental difference between Islam and Christianity: My God loves me and made me for His purpose. He wants me to learn to love Him and to become like Him, Holy in every way. He loves me so much, He sent His Son from heaven to live among men and be slaughtered by them, thus becoming a wholly perfect sacrifice for my sins so I do not have to suffer the consequences I so righly deserve.

I really think you should publish this far and wide. It will tell the honest story of how incredibly ignorant and self-centered this movement is.

Nov 9, 2009 - 9:02 am 39. Paul of Alexandria:

moho (20):

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Oh wait, first, my favorite bible verse. I can’t wait to hear you Christian jihadists whine about how you only pay attention to the New Testament now.

moho, you might want to skip commenting on things about which you know nothing.

A fundamental tenet of Islam is that the Quran is perfect and complete, always applicable, and not subject to interpretation. Every verse is applicable to every Muslim (keeping in mind the arguments about abrogation). Also remember that the Quran is the work of one individual, and is a work of verse.

The Judeo-Christian scripture, on the other hand, is many books, written by many authors, over an extended period of time, for many purposes. The Old Testament contains the Law and the Prophets, comprising the history of Israel and its dealings with God – up to approximately 500 BC, revelations to many different prophets and individuals, as well as poetry and wise sayings considered to be inspired by God. The New Testament is a series of books and letters written to the early Christian church by direct witnesses to Jesus’ life and by early church fathers (primarily Paul of Tarsus).

In order to understand the Judeo-Christian Bible you must read it in context, understanding when it was written, for whom, and under what circumstances. Specific instructions given to early Israel during the conquest of Canaan are simply not applicable to anyone else, not even the Israelites themselves after the events in question.

To attempt to compare the Bible and the Quran in this way simply doesn’t work.

Nov 9, 2009 - 9:07 am 40. Paul of Alexandria:

moho (38):

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I really think you should publish this far and wide. It will tell the honest story of how incredibly ignorant and self-centered this movement is.

Um, attend any good Christian Church any Sunday.
moho, I’d be very interested in learning what you consider a non-”self-centered” movement. Christianity is about as uninterested in centering on one’s self as it is possible to be (certain heretical elements of the modern evangelical movement excepted).

Nov 9, 2009 - 9:10 am 41. Ding:

Nutty terrorist suicide dude or just a nut. That is the question.

Nov 9, 2009 - 9:15 am 42. moho:

A fundamental tenet of Islam is that the Quran is perfect and complete, always applicable, and not subject to interpretation.In order to understand the Judeo-Christian Bible you must read it in context, understanding when it was written, for whom, and under what circumstances.

Yeah, that sober reading of the bible is how we now have a majority of Christians that believe in evolution. This is the silliest thing I’ve ever read. The entire Christian movement in America is based on a literal reading of the bible! Its hard to believe that you people can manage to get your teeth brushed every morning! By the way, I know both Koran and bible, and I know rational Christians and rational Muslims.

Nov 9, 2009 - 9:16 am 43. moho:

I’d be very interested in learning what you consider a non-”self-centered” movement. Christianity is about as uninterested in centering on one’s self as it is possible to be

Yes, perhaps this is why you people always seem intent on changing laws so I have to behave like YOU! Idiot.

Nov 9, 2009 - 9:17 am 44. Ding:

Please let us not jump to conclusions. Major Traitor is just a nut until proven otherwise.

Nov 9, 2009 - 9:20 am 45. Ding:

President Bush went to visit the victims of poor ol’ Major Hasan.

I hear Obama wants to expand coverage for Secondary Trauma in the dems Health Care Bill. They say he will visit the good Major for insight into this terrifying new mental illness.

Nov 9, 2009 - 9:29 am 46. Mohamed:

This “article” and the comments that follow it show just how ignorant people can be.

There are moderate Muslims who are normal people living in America and the rest of the world. Just because Muslims are different than you doesn’t mean you should fear them. This is an act by ONE person. Not the entire faith. There are always extremists in any religion. The only reason you guys attack the ENTIRE Muslim population is because they are different from you.

What about those extremist Christian Snipers killing abortion doctors? Now one talks about them and how we have to fear Christians. Terrorism can come in any shape or form or Religion. Timothy McVee was a White Christian Male and he was responsible for the Oklahoma city bombing. They didn’t even catch all his accomplices.

Don’t hate something because you don’t understand it. That goes for Muslims extremestins and those blaming every Muslim because othe the actions from those extremists.

Nov 9, 2009 - 9:45 am 47. Ding:

Major Happy just got a shout-out from his good buddy and mentor Anwar al-Awlaki for a job well done.

Guess AaA didn’t get the memo.

Nov 9, 2009 - 9:54 am 48. moho:

Mohammed. Don’t talk sense to them, it only makes them angry.

Nov 9, 2009 - 9:57 am 49. Thomas Fink:

moho, given the frequency of your postings on every thread connected with the Fort Hood shootings, you must be quite exited. Or is hysterical the better word? You are imprisoned by your narrative of moral and political relativism. And since reality is not supporting your narrative, you have to shout and rant. My little ranter. In fact, you are so afraid that not the people here are a dying breed, but you and the other “useful idiots” that are supporting this narrative. The wars the USA was and is fighting are not the same as Jihad, as much as the Gulags, the killing fields and the torture chambers of Saddam are not the same as Guantanamo. But this narrative of relativism, which you can always use to blame Bush and all the other white racists for every disaster in your miserable life, is fixed in your mind, implemented there by envy, greed and political correctness. I hope for you my friend that you will never have the opportunity to look into the abyss of the world where your narrative is leading for.

Nov 9, 2009 - 10:10 am 50. Ding:

When moderate Muslims address their own ignorance and rise up in mass to throw off the yoke of religious oppression that is Radical Islam, then and only then will there be hope for peace.

Nov 9, 2009 - 10:11 am 51. Seraphim:

[46.], so you are saying moderate muslims don’t believe non-muslims are infidels? You don’t believe gays should be murdered? You don’t believe women are half the worth of men? You don’t believe children only belong to the father should the woman leave a marriage? You don’t believe adulterers should be stoned to death? You don’t believe in al-Takeyyah [lying for Allah]?

Thank you for any enlightenment. I’d surely like to know what a ‘moderate’ muslim believes so I don’t mistake a ‘moderate’ for a jihadist nut-job who will lie and kill in the name of their blessed pedophile prophet.

Nov 9, 2009 - 10:23 am 52. Francis W. Porretto:

There are moderate Muslims who are normal people living in America and the rest of the world.

Why yes, and all of you follow a creed that explicitly commands its followers to conquer the world and convert, subjugate, or kill everyone in it.

Just because Muslims are different than you doesn’t mean you should fear them.

Are you saying I shouldn’t fear someone who subscribes to a creed that mandates my subjugation or death? A creed whose adherents practice taqiyya and kitman to avert the logical consequences of their beliefs becoming widely known among us “infidels?”

This is an act by ONE person. Not the entire faith. There are always extremists in any religion.

Name another major religion that embeds among its tenets the mandate for making war on those of other faiths who refuse to submit to it. Name another major religion whose founder said, “If anyone changes his Islamic religion, kill him.” Name another major religion whose founder exempted himself from the constraints and commands he laid upon all others. Name another major religion who called the Jews “descendants of apes and pigs.” I could go on, but I think the point has been made.

The only reason you guys attack the ENTIRE Muslim population is because they are different from you.

Yes — approximately 100% of terrorist acts since 1979 have been committed by Muslims. Those who survived them were often near enough to hear the chants of Allahu akbar! It is appallingly clear that Islam is toxic to human life, and that a free people must never allow it ingress to their lands.

Quod erat demonstrandum.

Nov 9, 2009 - 10:25 am 53. justasimplepatriot:

Moho, I bow to your superior intellect and sophisticated world view. And the unifying force behind all of the killings you listed was….

Nov 9, 2009 - 10:26 am 54. MKH:

There are good people who happen to be Muslims – no doubt about that – and most people have no beef with them.

But pointing that out and appealing to the fact that perpetrators might be individuals or small groups is far too simple a response to the issue Western countries face at the moment.

One thing that sets intelligent beings aside is the ability to recognize patterns. It’s what makes logical thinking possible. It is undeniable that there is a thread connecting these individuals and small groups who have committed crimes against the West and desire its destruction. That thread is an ideology based on fundamentalist Islam. If fundamentalist Islam was indeed something only embraced by a few hundred deranged individuals with tough lives we wouldn’t have a problem and we wouldn’t be in the present situation. In that scenario indeed it’d be enough to send our investigators after them and get those individuals behind bars.

But that is not the case, is it? Nobody can deny that Islamic fundamentalism, Islamism, “political Islam” or whatever name you choose for it enjoys political power, influence and some popularity in various countries across North Africa and Asia. It’s an ideology with some appeal to certain people, it’s an ideology that can draw on financial muscle as well thanks to the flow of oil money in those regions.

Ideologies don’t know borders and this ideology is spread by its fans in our Western countries as well and it has found its devotees as the presence of Western-born individuals in terror camps has shown. All of that proves that we are fighting an ideology, a world view, based on a major branch of a major religion and we are dealing with millions of people who long for our deaths.

Peace-loving muslims who have no religious or political beef with the West are not doing us or themselves a favor by trying to make us ignore the realities of the situation. Don’t forget that once they are done with the infidels, it’s the muslims who don’t obsessively keep the rules that get to feel the butcher’s knife.

Unfortunately, when grave threats present themselves, avoiding conflict at all cost and trying to smooth over obvious issues can be the surest path towards universal disaster.

Nov 9, 2009 - 10:27 am 55. moho:

moho, given the frequency of your postings on every thread connected with the Fort Hood shootings, you must be quite exited.

Well “exited” is not the word I’d use. But my doctrine is one of personal responsibility. Telling mommy that the other kids were doing worse things stopped giving tangible benefits for me around age 6. Unfortunately, it seems like you people never stopped applying this logic to everything you’re involved with. “Its ok, as long as I can find someone worse than me.” What that has led to is a country that can’t be compared to any other, as it is involved in two wars at once with a bankrupt economy. Great work.

Nov 9, 2009 - 10:31 am 56. Ahmed:

Try getting your facts straight. Muhammad (pbuh) had ascended to heaven SEVEN years before Byzantine territory was “invaded” by Muslims. Also, the Surah in question is literally translated as, “O ye who believe! Be careful of your duty to Allah, and be with the truthful”. And if we’re going to use ancient history as part of analyses, then let’s not forget that Christian crusaders slaughtered every non-Christian man, woman, and child in Jerusalem when they conquered it. When Salah’hdin conquered Jerusalem, he allowed most of the people not only to live, but to continue observing their respective faiths.

Personally, I’m saddened that Islam has been maligned by a few whose interpretation of Islam is to commit violence in the name of Allah (arabic word for God). Who are they to claim such a thing? I advocate peace and tolerance in the name of Allah. Take that extremists!

Nov 9, 2009 - 10:34 am 57. Mohamed:

In response to [51.] Seraphim

Moderate Muslims do not beleive that Non-Muslims are infidels any more than Moderate Christians beleive anyone who doesn’t beleive in the “savior Jesus Christ” will burn in eternal hell.

Do ALL Christians beleive that Gays should be murdered? No, just like not ALL Muslims beleive Gays should be murdered. Do ALL Christians murder abortion doctors? No. Do ALL Christians leave burning crosses in front of the houses of black people? No. I can go all day. The point is you are trying to generalize. You see an act of hate by one Muslim and feel that all muslims are the same.

You obviously have ignored the many responses from the Muslim community CONDEMING these attacks. You let you’re hate a fear blind you.

You want to know what a Moderate Muslim looks like? A NORMAL PERSON. Just like you or any God fearing person.

Nov 9, 2009 - 10:45 am 58. moho:

Moho, I bow to your superior intellect and sophisticated world view. And the unifying force behind all of the killings you listed was….

All of these, including Hasan, have been American citizens. Mass killing is an American pastime.

Nov 9, 2009 - 10:46 am 59. Ding:

“let’s not forget that Christian crusaders . . . blah blah blah.”

That was then this is now. Get over it. Clean your damn house already.

Nov 9, 2009 - 10:53 am 60. Ding:

57. “You obviously have ignored the many responses from the Muslim community CONDEMING these attacks.”

Provide a list please so I know who the good guys are. I know they’re out there, but all I’ve seen is CAIR’s statement and sorry, but they’re suspect what with their ties to HAMAS and all..

Nov 9, 2009 - 10:57 am 61. Mohamed:

In Response to [52.]

Name another religion that has waged war on people not in it? How about Christianity. Remeber the Crusades? Didn’t England and Spain have a War with each other because of England changing from Catholicism. There have been many wars started because of Religion and there always will be.

The fact of the matter is most people are normal and just want to lead regular lives. Most Muslims don’t hate you. They don’t even care about you. Relax dude…

Nov 9, 2009 - 11:02 am 62. Booker T. Gain:

Mohamed

You obviously have ignored the many responses from the Muslim community CONDEMING these attacks. You let you’re hate a fear blind you.

You want to know what a Moderate Muslim looks like? A NORMAL PERSON. Just like you or any God fearing person.

I was too busy reading this to notice. (From Hot Air)

Meanwhile, the imam with whom Hasan associated — with his own ties to the 9/11 terrorists — has issued a statement calling Hasan a “hero,” a “man of conscience” who successfully resolved the conflict of being Muslim and a member of the American armed forces. Anwar al-Awlaki now lives in Yemen, but he used to run mosques in Denver, San Diego, and Falls Church before beating feet after the 9/11 attacks. ABC reports that Awlaki runs a jihadist web site, which is where he posted his support of Hasan.

Now Mohamed go way and take that other filthy liar Moho with you. And don’t come back until you find a Christian minister anywhere in the world who is praising the killing of innocent Muslims.

Nov 9, 2009 - 11:04 am 63. Seraphim:

[57.],

I have not seen the ‘outrage’ from the ‘muslim community’. If you mean ‘CAIR’, don’t bother.

Hasan spoke to an Imam who was a nut-job. The Imama makes two nut-job Muslims. Then, question the other Muslims said Imam proselytizes his sick, evil beliefs to and you’ve got a lot more than one lone whacko Islamist.

Do I believe all Muslims are extremists? No, but I certainly don’t want to take a chance by pretending Muslims and their religion is all peaceful and loving. Look at the Islamic countries ruled by Sharia? Muslim on Islamist atrocities abound for the very things I previously mentioned. If Jesus was a violent pedophile I would say Christianity was evil too for that matter.

Nov 9, 2009 - 11:05 am 64. moho:

That was then this is now. Get over it. Clean your damn house already.

Pot meet kettle.

Nov 9, 2009 - 11:05 am 65. Mohamed:

[60.]

Why don’t you look? Why is it the Muslims have to PROVE that they are “Good Guys” to you? Does every Catholic Church have to come out and apologize if a Priest touches an altar boy?

Nov 9, 2009 - 11:09 am 66. moho:

Well put Mohammed.

Nov 9, 2009 - 11:14 am 67. moho:

I have not seen the ‘outrage’ from the ‘muslim community’. If you mean ‘CAIR’, don’t bother.

As if you know anything about the Islamic community. You know the word CAIR from hanging out in these hateful little clatches. Outside of that, you have no idea what you’re talking about.

Nov 9, 2009 - 11:15 am 68. Ding:

61. “Relax dude…”

Ya, like that’s gonna happen what with the thug element of Islam out there.

Nov 9, 2009 - 11:16 am 69. Mohamed:

[62.] Ok find a Christian Priest any where in the world?

“Priest Barihun is demonstrating the ugly face of Fanatic Orthodox Christian – a declaration for an “all out war” on Ethiopian Muslims and Islam in general, from Arada Georgis Church in the Capital, Addis Ababa, on the day of Ethiopian Epiphany, Timket, 20 January 2009. ”

here is the link to the video

http://blog.ethiopianmuslims.net/negashi/?p=325

Nov 9, 2009 - 11:21 am 70. Mohamed:

[63.],

You found out that there are other crazy people in the world. Congrats. So you are going to avoid all Muslims at any cost? Because any one of them can be a lurking extremist?

So by your logic, all black people should stay away from white people, because they might be apart of the Ku Klux Klan?

All Altar boys should stay away from Catholic Priests so that they don’t get molested, right?

It’s not like they should take the chance.

Nov 9, 2009 - 11:27 am 71. Ding:

65. “Why don’t you look?”

No! why don’t you look!

Darn it! Didn’t want to get into the “tit for tat” thing. Look . . . you got a list? Provide it please.

You want to work things out? Well, communicate. Make a point and then back it up. Otherwise, shove off.

Nov 9, 2009 - 11:27 am 72. ronnor:

What do the words, “going Postal,” “Going Moslem,”suicide belts, murder and cartoon have in common? Even our President knows what they have in common but he is so PC [politically constipated] he can’t say it. I bet his lower exit point puckers even thinking about it. Here is a hint, who murders people after setting in strip joints for hours with a newspaper over his lap while thinking of all the fun he will have 72 women? No, its not George Bush either.

Nov 9, 2009 - 11:30 am 73. Mohamed:

To all the people who think ALL Muslims should be feared, take a look at this.

http://us.cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2009/11/09/costello.muslim.soldier.backlash.cnn

It’s a video on CNN that talks about a MUSLIM soldier who fought for the U.S. in Iraq. A Muslim who fought for YOU! You’re ignorance desecrates his memory, and the memory or all fallen soldiers. They didn’t die so that Americans could point fingers at each other. They died so we could ALL have freedom. Muslims, Jews, and Christians alike.

Nov 9, 2009 - 11:38 am 74. moho:

Dingus:
Well, communicate. Make a point and then back it up. Otherwise, shove off.

He did you moron. The problem is that you wouldn’t accept it and responded like a five year old in the first place. Nothing is more absurd than watching you idiots cry for more civilized discourse in the middle of your bigoted rants against Islamic people. A pathetic embarrassment to everything our country is supposed to stand for.

Nov 9, 2009 - 11:41 am 75. Seraphim:

Look at every country run by Islamists. Do you see free people in those Muslim ‘communities’? Or do you hear of daily stonings, beheadings, rapes all in the name of Allah and Sharia LAW? Then, the western-world hating Islamists bring that twisted mindset to western countries and act out on their hatred of “The Great Satan and The Little Satan”. Not to mention the people born in America who succumb to Islam’s violent teachings.

But, we Americans are just supposed to ‘ignore’ those facts? I don’t think so.

Nov 9, 2009 - 11:41 am 76. Ding:

70. “All Altar boys should stay away from Catholic Priests . . .”

An acquaintance of mine left the Catholic Church because of the Priest/boy thing.

You leave Islam and I’m guessing you’re going to be looking over your shoulder for the rest of your life.

Nov 9, 2009 - 11:46 am 77. Mohamed:

In response to [71.]

1. Muslim Public Affairs Council-DC (MPAC-DC)
2. Islamic Society of North America Office for Interfaith and Community Alliances (ISNA)
3. American Muslim Armed Forces and Veterans Affairs Council (AMAFVAC)

They all condemn the attack. You happy? Maybe you aare the one who needs to “Shove Off”

Nov 9, 2009 - 11:46 am 78. Mohamed:

[76.]

So what? It doesn’t mean all Priests are child molestors.

I could leave Islam and nobody would care! Not all Muslims are violent even though you want to belive that so vehemently.

Nov 9, 2009 - 11:58 am 79. Real Deal:

Nice try moho but it’s not the same thing.

Leviticus 26:6-9:

6 ” ‘I will grant peace in the land, and you will lie down and no one will make you afraid. I will remove savage beasts from the land, and the sword will not pass through your country.
7 You will pursue your enemies, and they will fall by the sword before you.
8 Five of you will chase a hundred, and a hundred of you will chase ten thousand, and your enemies will fall by the sword before you.

9 ” ‘I will look on you with favor and make you fruitful and increase your numbers, and I will keep my covenant with you.

Nice attempt at cherry picking moho. However the context is this, if you keep your covenant with God he will assure that you are prosperous, are safe, and defeat your enemies when they come against you.

Nov 9, 2009 - 12:01 pm 80. Banned by Huffpo:

The Qur’an teaches that all non-believers are infidels; indfidels are to be eliminated:

“O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).” (9:123)

“As for those who disbelieve in Our communications, We shall make them enter fire; so oft as their skins are thoroughly burned, We will change them for other skins, that they may taste the punishment” (4:56)

Sura 5:51: “O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: they are but friends and protectors to each other. And he among you that turns to them for friendship is of them.”

“I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them” (8:12)

And so on.

Nov 9, 2009 - 12:03 pm 81. Seraphim:

Yes, [70.], Sorry, but I don’t do ‘politically correct’ for anyone no matter what ‘religion’ or ‘belief-system’ or lack thereof. What do you care if I ‘avoid’ muslims? If I saw a group of muslim looking men get on an airplane I was boarding I’d be highly suspicious and concerned. It is what it is.

Do you honestly believe America had to tighten airport security because of Pedo Priests?

Don’t even get me started on the pagan practices of Catholicism.

Nov 9, 2009 - 12:04 pm 82. Mohamed:

[75.]

Once again your ignorance does you a disservice. Ever heard of the United Arab Emirates? It’s a country where Islam is the major Religion and it is one of the richest countries in the world. “The UAE constitution guarantees equality between men and women in areas including legal status, claiming of titles, and access to education. ”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_United_Arab_Emirates

Check it out, might enlighten you a bit.

All those countries that you read or heard about are just socially backward and use religion as a backdrop to defend those beliefs. Just like many people used christianity to defend racism in the U.S pre-1960’s.

Nov 9, 2009 - 12:09 pm 83. Gary Ogletree:

Mohamed, as a Muslim you have a duty to wage jihad and force non believers to submit to Islam. It’s all over the Koran. You are a fake Muslim. And that’s a good thing.

Nov 9, 2009 - 12:10 pm 84. Ding:

Now see how easy that was! Thank you. I’ll check out “the many responses from the Muslim community CONDEMING these attacks” that you have provided and I will let my friends and family know that there are at least three organizations out there doing so.

I just pray that there are more.

Nov 9, 2009 - 12:16 pm 85. karlinsync:

Wow. Is our President, MSM, and the far left that stupid? As Former President Bush always stated we are at war with terrorist. This nation cannot be a nation for all. We must strive to keep/fight for our traditional values and protect our freedoms. Is Obama ready to give up America?

Nov 9, 2009 - 12:19 pm 86. Steve:

A quick read through the jihad sections of the Hadith (reports about the statements or actions of Muhammad) used by many as essential supplements to, and clarifications of the Qur’an) will quiet all arguments about jihad being a personal, inner struggle as opposed to all out war against all non muslims. English translations of the Hadith are available in most public libraries and easily accessible to MSM reporters. Read it before makings “inner jihad” statements.

Nov 9, 2009 - 12:25 pm 87. Ding:

78. “I could leave Islam and nobody would care!”

I had a friend I worked with, a lady by the name of Mohamed, who had left Islam because of her abusive husband and his family. That girl was always jumping at sudden noises. And man, did she have some horrifying stories to tell! Forget Major Dillweed’s Secondary Trauma; she had the real deal.

So what, I wonder, makes her experience different from yours?

Nov 9, 2009 - 12:34 pm 88. Anonymous:

[82.], so you’re saying you and all moderate muslims are originally from the ‘United_Arab_Emirates’?

Hmm.

Nov 9, 2009 - 12:39 pm 89. Seraphim:

[82.], so you’re saying you and all moderate muslims are originally from the ‘United_Arab_Emirates’?

Hmm.

Nov 9, 2009 - 12:40 pm 90. Mohamed:

Gary Ogletree, I don’t know you and you don’t know me. Don’t tell me what I am and what I am not.

I’ll let it slide because you are obviously ignorant and haven’t had the fortune of being educated. It’s not your fault. I hope that you educate yourself and learn that ignorance is not the way.

Nov 9, 2009 - 12:41 pm 91. Seraphim:

Also, [82.]: It doesn’t help that Islamists want to bring their backwards Sharia law to western countries.

Do you and your muslim communities condemn the idea of Sharia Law being imposed on western countries?

Nov 9, 2009 - 12:46 pm 92. Mohamed:

[81.]

Ok, So I’ll make sure to avoid all white people since they could be in the KKK.

If I see a Catholic Priest I bettoer cover my private parts cuz he’ll probably be all over me.

See how little sense your logic makes? I don’t care if you avoid all Muslim people or all people in general. Good for you. I just want you to realize how ignorant you are and it seems that you do so my job is done. Have a good day.

Nov 9, 2009 - 12:47 pm 93. ETAB:

moho/aka mohamed: Your moral relativism is invalid.

The Christian religion, as a religion, does not advcocate the killing of non-members, while Islam certainly does. As has been pointed out to you,the Christian bible is not a text of immutable ‘truths’ as is the Islamic Qu’ran but an historical account, written by many authors, of the development of a religious ideology. There is no comparison between the bible and the qu’ran.

Furthermore, you cannot justify current Islamic killings around the world, which are taking place in just about every country, including Indonesia, Asia, Europe, Africa as well as America, by saying that ‘in the 12th c, Christians killed non-Christians.

First, one must ask why you are using ancient primitive medieval actions to justify actions carried out in the modern world.

Second, why does the one justify the other? Are you saying that Muslims don’t have an ethical code and only do what ancienct peoples did centuries ago?

Third – why are Muslims involved in all these mass murders around the world? They kill all – regardless of race or ethnicity; they kill Muslims, Christians, Jews. Why?

And no, you can’t absolve their actions by your repetitive tactic of..’Well, the US does it’. First, this isn’t true. A war is not the same as a terrorist or criminal act.

A criminal act is not the same as a terrorist act, for the former is done for psycholgical reaons of aberration while the latter for ideological reasons. The 9/11 mass murder was an Islamic act for ideological reasons.

Second, any criminal actions of murder, as you list, are criminal actions and are punished, not condoned. But these Muslim acts are condoned by your imams and Muslims dance for joy!

Fourth – The Western states have managed to separate church and state; the Islamic nations still embed the two. Islam, after all, is less of a religion, having little to say about the metaphysical, and is primarily an outline of a 7th c. political/economic societal structure. Why should such a lifestyle be continued into the 21st century?

If you reply, try to rise above emotional insults; deal only with the issues.

Nov 9, 2009 - 12:50 pm 94. aramkr:

MOHO spends 4 hours this morning blathering sophistically on subjects he needs to read some books about.
One point: Muslims make up .5% of the US population so, to be fair, you have to multiply the victims of muslim terrorism by 200 to get a proportional comparison to the more run-of-the-mill psychotics. Those non-muslim murderers got some catching up to do.

Nov 9, 2009 - 12:55 pm 95. moho:

7 You will pursue your enemies, and they will fall by the sword before you.
8 Five of you will chase a hundred, and a hundred of you will chase ten thousand, and your enemies will fall by the sword before you.

9 ” ‘I will look on you with favor and make you fruitful and increase your numbers, and I will keep my covenant with you.

Nice attempt at cherry picking moho. However the context is this, if you keep your covenant with God he will assure that you are prosperous, are safe, and defeat your enemies when they come against you.

Your stupidity is truly staggering. The word pursue means something completely different than “come against”. Seriously, I wish I had big blocks with letters on them and a diagram to explain the point to you, but I can only rely on written English. Its not that Christianity is worse [sigh], its that your indicting another religion that has the same kinds of statements as yours. The old testament is literally a cook book of xenophobic genocide. I DON’T CARE that it is. It would just make you look less stupid if you picked an approach other than “when we say it it means something different to us”. Really, I hope, for the world’s sake that you are not allowed to raise your children.

Nov 9, 2009 - 1:00 pm 96. justasimplepatriot:

All of these, including Hasan, have been American citizens. Mass killing is an American pastime.

Nice try, Moho. That is a shared trait but not the motivation for their killings. Care to try again?

Nov 9, 2009 - 1:03 pm 97. ehunter:

After the umpteenth time “radical Islam has “hijacked” the religion..isnt it time to ask
what makes Islam so “hijackable”? Are not the
radicals..the true muslims? The ones that really take seriously what the Koran commands?

Nov 9, 2009 - 1:09 pm 98. Mohamed:

In Response to [89] and [91]

No not all Muslims are from UAE. You made a post about how ALL Muslim countries are backwards in [75] “Look at every country run by Islamists…”. I gave you and example that proved you wrong.

No, I don’t want Sharia Law in the U.S. any more than Christians wanting the U.S. to be a Christian Nation, with Christian Values, Morals, and Beliefs. If you oppose a Muslim wanting Sharia Law then you should oppose Christians who want a Christian society. It’s really the Pot calling the Kettle Black.

Nov 9, 2009 - 1:15 pm 99. sickandtired:

[65]

“Why is it the Muslims have to PROVE that they are “Good Guys” to you? ”

the same reason that white people always have to prove they are not racist

islamic extremism, just like racism, is a cancer eating away at free society. it must be called out, decried and eradicated in all places, in all forms

Nov 9, 2009 - 1:16 pm 100. Ding:

82. “The UAE constitution guarantees equality between men and women in areas including legal status, claiming of titles, and access to education.”

The UAE has a population of 4.8 million of which approximately 21.9% are nationals (I looked it up). Do the math, that’s roughly a million locals.

I’m guessing the guarantees of equality between men and women that you speak of are in place because of the immigrant working class, but hey, it’s a start. Congrats.

But the pearls are home, pregnant and barefoot, of that you can rest assured.

And come on, 1 million out of a billion?! I can come up with a better example than that.

Nov 9, 2009 - 1:24 pm 101. Don Rodrigo:

#25 moho

“”"”"That made me laugh. The number of American non-Islamic murder sprees far outnumber those of Muslims, you idiot. “”"”"”

Uh-huh. And the total number of people killed in these “non-Islamic” killing sprees add up to a whole lot less than 3,000, an Islamic killing spree which took all of one morning.

NOW who’s the idiot?

Nov 9, 2009 - 1:39 pm 102. sule:

Big hairy deal…at least the ACLU is happy; nobody prayed in Jesus name, and the 10 Commandments were nowhere to be seen on public property….nothing to see here, so keep moving.

Change is soooooo change, isn’t it?

Nov 9, 2009 - 1:44 pm 103. Mr. Independant:

Raymond, ETAB, & moho,

Well I don’t concede that the Islamic religion is deceptive, so I’ll go with naivety.
But I’ll stipulate that naivety is not confined to the west.

In the context of this article I think it’s important to point out that the author of this article and many of the commenter’s (especially ETAB) seem to have forgotten one of the most important messages of Christ; Love Thy neighbor as you would yourself. If that’s too much, then at least try to be civil.

It’s perfectly appropriate to condemn the acts of terrorism committed at Ft. Hood last Thursday but it’s not ok to condemn the religion of Islam as well. The problem with terrorism is not any particular religion. The problem is the terrorists.

Finally I think it’s important to point out to everyone who is disparaging the Islamic faith, try and remember that although all have a different view of GOD, Jews, Christians, and Muslims all worship the same GOD.

Nov 9, 2009 - 1:47 pm 104. Don Rodrigo:

“”"”" Muhammad and several Muslims were preparing to invade Byzantine territory. “”"”"”

Very significant anecdote from this standpoint: Obama in his patronizing Cairo speech, echoed by others, gave excessive credit to the Muslim world (and specifically the Arab one) for civilizational advances during the Middle Ages. All the conquering Arabs did — but to their credit — was allow the continuance of scholarship from the Byzantine Era, which in turn was merely continuing the academic traditions left in place by the Romans and the Greeks before them. Remember, the core of the early Muslim conquests were former Christian (Roman) territories. While Western and Central Europe was going through the Dark Ages, southeastern Europe — the heart of the Byzantine empire — was not, and was flourishing. Even in Dark Ages Europe the Christian monks kept ancient learning alive. Arab/Muslim contributions to scholarship were real, and important, but they were merely building on what western civilization had left behind in the conquered areas.

Nov 9, 2009 - 1:50 pm 105. gracie:

As we all know, MoHo says he is a muslim, so I think his remarks are tainted. However they give us a view into the what we preveive as the twisted killing thinking of muslims.
Try not getting so caught up in answering his posts…

Also, anyone that follows a book that some guy in the very distant past telling you that “god” has a message for you and to live “this” way or “do” that, is a nutcase. If God has a message for you, he knows where you live.

Man needs rules and regulations, or they are as good as wild animals. HOWEVER<!! to base your life on rules and regulations that discriminate/kill/shun anyone is wrong.

obama is merely one more dangerous nut. We are slow to wake up here in America.

Nov 9, 2009 - 2:01 pm 106. Commuter:

‘Your stupidity is truly staggering. The word pursue means something completely different than “come against”. ‘

How could someone be so utterly f**k**g stupid that he’s takes this position – the Old Testament biblical term interpreted as ‘pursue’ does not mean ‘come against’ – to call someone else ignorant.

This tool moho is nothing but a bad circus act.

Nov 9, 2009 - 2:04 pm 107. QDalgado:

Re: Moho #20
One more war-related word that applies to you and your ilk: Quisling

Nov 9, 2009 - 2:15 pm 108. myth buster:

Catholics don’t need to collectively condemn such abuse because Jesus already did. He said that people who maliciously harm children or induce them to sin will wish they had a huge millstone tied around their necks and been thrown into the sea, because their punishment will be worse than that.

BTW, Saladin didn’t spare the Christians in Jerusalem out of mercy, but because the Christians threatened to torch the Dome of the Rock if he didn’t.

Nov 9, 2009 - 2:18 pm 109. Samizdat:

There are peaceful, nonviollent, Muslims. Unfortunately, they don’t seem to be in control enough to universaly condemn or help prevent the psychotic behavior of other adherents. There were lots of Muslims who knew the Major and his views. The Army apparently also knew his views. Those who knew chose to do nothing, probably because they didn’t need the tut tut from the pc types.

Notice that this is not an isolated incident. Remember that this year there have been police actions that have stopped four other Islamic mass murder plots that we know of. Someone above pointed out that porportionally, muslim mass violence far outstrips non muslim mass violence.

There are elements of our society who will continue to attempt to rationalize and apologize for violent Islam. Eventually, the incidents will accumulate and the apologists will become less and less credible. It will be a long time before this happens. The media and the PCers have control of the microphone right now and it will take time for that to change.

Nov 9, 2009 - 2:19 pm 110. westerncanadian:

Mohamed (various posts).
Setting aside the florid language of both sides, there is a sad reality here. For all human history, different peoples have flowed from one place to another. The ancient Britons apparently came from Portugal; anthropologists think that all modern people came from two migrations out of Africa; Canada has seen the very first immigrants from Asia (after the last ice age) and later waves of immigrants from France, England, Scotland, Ireland, Ukraine, Russia, Poland, Italy, India, China, Africa, S. America etc, etc. All of these human waves have been more or less successfully folded into one country with one set of laws and with citizens who believe in Canada.

Except for immigrants who also happen to be Muslims. This group seems to be failing in an epic way to fit in with the rest of us. Even though they come from many different countries, this group seems to be different from Canada’s experience with all previous groups of immigrants. It is this epic failure that worries the rest of us so much.

Rightly or wrongly people eventually make judgements based on events and actions that they see, not words that they hear. The judgements will be for or against, depending on the nature of the events and actions.

Nov 9, 2009 - 2:24 pm 111. RE:

Now for some good news: I think we made it through the day without another Muslim honor killing in the USA.

Nov 9, 2009 - 2:25 pm 112. Seraphim:

[98.] Where are Christian people demanding a Christian society? The USA has a separation of church and state for a reason. Do you see Christians moving into Muslim countries and expecting their own Western laws to be applied separately to themselves from Muslims? I take it you have no idea what is going on in the UK?

Time to read up a little more on your brethren in the UK.

Nov 9, 2009 - 2:41 pm 113. Seraphim:

Finally I think it’s important to point out to everyone who is disparaging the Islamic faith, try and remember that although all have a different view of GOD, Jews, Christians, and Muslims all worship the same GOD.

Well, that’s your opinion and not mine.

A murderous pedophile does not a prophet of the one, true God make. But, hey. Whatever floats your boat so you can get along with everyone.

Nov 9, 2009 - 2:52 pm 114. Elliot:

Can anyone tell me if the perps of the crimes listed in post #25 were funded, supported, or encouraged by any organization ? Were any of those murderers praised as heroic by anyone in US society ? Were excuses made or rationalisations made for their criminal acts? Did Christian churches, synagogues, or any US congregation preach such acts should be emulated by others ?

In regards to KKK slimescum, do law inforcement agencies in the US pursue them, watch them, or investigate them, and then feel it politically incorrect to pass on information concerning their possible impending, or past, criminal activities ?Does anyone actually want themselves compared to the KKK ? In addition, I see no one attempting to white wash criminal acts.

Nov 9, 2009 - 2:53 pm 115. deguello:

Pardon me,but wasn’t it the idiot Bush,who famously,and fatuously, proclaimed Islam a religion of peace? After kissing the Saudi nabob thug,and fellating Vicente Fox,while signing the Mcain Feingold censorship bill?Thanks to Bush,80 year old ladis from battle Creek, Michigan,get strip searched for having a hatpin, while palestinians wearing Shemaghs are unmolested.I despise the Obama regime,but let’s remember that political correctness is a bipartisan phenomenom forced on the nation by the left and right wings of the globalist plutocracy that controls both parties.

Nov 9, 2009 - 3:03 pm 116. Phranc:

104. Don Rodrigo:

Much or what is attributed to dark age muslims in the way of science actually comes from further east. When they invaded and slaughtered their way east they took the science from the Indian sub-continent. Check into it some time I think you will be rather surprised.

Nov 9, 2009 - 3:14 pm 117. Will:

Don Rodrigo

Excellent post in #104. A lot of academics don’t realized that if Islam did not come out of Arabian Peninsula, the recovery of Europe from the Dark Age would have been more earlier than what it should had been because of three things, 1) As you have pointed out, while the learning centers of the former Western Roman empire was in shambles, Christian North Africa’s learning centers were not affected that much and combine that with Byzantine empire’s libraries and schools,it would been much more easier for Western Europe to revive what was lost when Rome fell to the barbarians. 2) Without the Islamic invasion of the Persian empire, there would have been an excellent chance that Europeans would have come in large numbers to India earlier than what was written in history books, not to wage war but to trade and exchange knowledge especially in math and sciences and contact with China would have been established centuries before the birth of Marco Polo. 3) Christendom would have not spend most of it’s time raising armies defending Christian lands. It’s bad enough that they were facing the Vikings and other barbarians from the North and from the East, they were also fighting against islamic hordes that landed in the Iberian peninsula as well as Sicily.

Nov 9, 2009 - 3:22 pm 118. Booker T. Gain:

There are elements of our society who will continue to attempt to rationalize and apologize for violent Islam. Eventually, the incidents will accumulate and the apologists will become less and less credible. It will be a long time before this happens.

This is so true. Much blood will be spilled before the clueless PCers like the liberal self- described Mr. Independent @43 get that there’s no point in being civil to people who disingenuously pretend that killings not motivated by religion are the same as those which are. It just encourages them in their delusion.

Mr. Independent criticizes ETAB. In my opinion ETAB is the most knowledgable commenter on this site. His post at 83 remains unanswered. Frankness when confronting evil may bother Mr. Independent, however it is a virtue.

Nov 9, 2009 - 3:33 pm 119. Booker T. Gain:

Correction

The clueless Mr. Independent’s post is at 103

Nov 9, 2009 - 3:38 pm 120. anne:

If Hasan was a member of the KKK, we would have known everything about him, the big boogie monster..If he was a baptist,catholic etc, we would have dismantled his church , pastor and congregation by now. We would know his first grade teacher, neighbors…why is man treated with special privilege???

I’m very tired of the double standard.
he did it, we saw it, kill him
and don’t cry about it!! he ddid not give our people a fighting chance. not fair, we’re more civilized blshblahblah bull.

Nov 9, 2009 - 4:16 pm 121. Mr Lucky:

20. moho.

“I really do wonder if your readers are as stupid as you think they are.”

95. moho.

“Your stupidity is truly staggering.

25. moho.

justasimplemindedpatriot:

“That made me laugh. The number of American non-Islamic murder sprees far outnumber those of Muslims, you idiot. ”

If justasimplemindedpatriot “made you laugh” what else can he make you do?

“Austin, Texas, Aug. 1, 1966: 17 dead, 31 wounded at the University of Texas…”

Alert! History Began in 1966! Moving it back from 2001?

9/11? Wasn’t a police action the proper response? Then 3000+ Islamic murders?

The mirror laughs and the moho follows.

Did you miss some of Van’s classes?

Nov 9, 2009 - 4:30 pm 122. jdm:

moho, you might want to skip commenting on things about which you know nothing.

He’s here to defend the policies of PC. As VDH has said (paraphrased), the implications of PC are that a few deaths are OK as long as moho and his ilk can feel better about themselves.

As long as the deaths are committed by Muslims, it’s all OK. Deaths by whites? Bad. Christians? Worse. White Christians? The worst.

Don’t you silly white Xtians worry about a thing. People like moho and his ilk know how to take care of you.

Nov 9, 2009 - 4:43 pm 123. Paul of Alexandria:

Mohamed (82):
…

All those countries that you read or heard about are just socially backward and use religion as a backdrop to defend those beliefs. Just like many people used christianity to defend racism in the U.S pre-1960’s.

I encourage you to go read The Arab Mind by Raphael Patai. In fact, you have it reversed: the culture is backwards in large part because of the religion. Allah Akbar has done more damage to the Arabs than all of the military efforts of the Romans, the US, and the Israelis combined.

I have a friend in the military who was stationed in Afghanistan. Some allied Arabs were hanging around in the command post canteen playing cards (in an area designated for them). When he happened to walk in, there was a pile of excrement in the corner – despite there being a perfectly functional toilet just down the hallway. When asked, they simply said “It keeps the flies away from us”. As Patai noted, every Arab thinks of himself as a king around which the world should rotate. They all want to be managers, work is beneath them – unless they have absolutely no other choice.

Nov 9, 2009 - 5:29 pm 124. Paul of Alexandria:

Seraphim (113):

Finally I think it’s important to point out to everyone who is disparaging the Islamic faith, try and remember that although all have a different view of GOD, Jews, Christians, and Muslims all worship the same GOD.

No, they don’t. The Muslims would have you believe this, but merely because two people have the same name doesn’t mean that they are the same person. Look at the characteristics of Yahweh and of Allah. Totally different.

Nov 9, 2009 - 5:32 pm 125. Mr. Independant:

Booker T. Gain,

You don’t seem to understand that concept of my posts. So I’ll try again. I’m not apologizing for anything. I’ve stated repeatedly on several articles , that what happened at Ft. Hood was an act of terrorism. The point I’m trying to make is that the problem is the terrorist not his religion. If you truly believe that, then you would also have to believe that Christianity was responsible for creating the KKK. Now I happen to think that’s absurd. The basic massage of Christ is peace. The same is true of Islam. Yes terrorists often have very strong and warped religious convictions. But it’s always in contradiction their faith. So again the problem with terrorists is not religion but the terrorists.

Now on your comment that I criticized ETAB, yes I did and I believe I was justified by his comments to do so. And for the record it was a criticism of his comments not a personal attack. If you want to speak of the virtues of Christianity than you should live by them as well. BTW there was no question asked on post 83 like you stated and if wasn’t even by ETAB.

I agree that frankness is important when confronting evil. I think it’s especially important to avoid deluding yourself. So instead of blaming the religion of 1.5 billion people for the acts of others, perhaps you should blame the terrorists.

Nov 9, 2009 - 6:05 pm 126. ETAB:

Mr. Independent – could you clarify for us, what you think the ideology of terrorism consists of?

Are you aware of the preachings of so many imams, preaching within the Islamic faith, in mosques, and promoting anti-Western violence?

Are you aware that 99.9% of all world terrorist attacks are carried out, now, by Muslims? In the name of their faith? Go to, for example,

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

This will give you a list of such attacks.

Have you ever read the Qu’ran and the hadiths, and read the exhortations in them to kill and enslave all non-Muslims?

Do you know the history of Islamism, which began as a militant group, fighting other tribes for control of the land base, and fighting against the expansion of settled agriculturalism by the Byzantine/Christian market trade?

The KKK was opposed to blacks, jews..and catholics. The KKK made up its own ideology and could not use the bible as a textual resource for its agenda. Remember, the Christian bible is, unlike the Qu’ran, not viewed as the direct word of god but as a number of texts, written by different authors, and giving the narrative of historical/mythical events. The Qu’ran and hadiths are different and the former viewed as the direct word of god – to be obeyed.

Again, kindly define ‘terrorism’ for us.

Nov 9, 2009 - 7:07 pm 127. Booker T. Gain:

I’ve stated repeatedly on several articles , that what happened at Ft. Hood was an act of terrorism. The point I’m trying to make is that the problem is the terrorist not his religion.

Wrong. It was an act of Islamic terrorism. It’s frightened a lot of people including you. You are so frightened you aren’t prepared to even acknowledge the obvious.

It was an act of Islamic terrorism. You can deny it all you want but the actions of Hasan are prescribed by the Koran. Until we all – Muslims and others – accept that, there will be no peace.

These acts of Islamic terrorism are occurring daily all over the world. Go visit Jihad Watch and inform yourself rather than come here and blather your uninformed opinions.

Nov 9, 2009 - 7:26 pm 128. Pragmatist:

Mohammedans like MOHO keep trying to protect Islam by claiming that the Koran is just like the Bible when of course they are completely different. The Bible is DESCRIPTIVE and written by men whereas the Koran is PRESCRIPTIVE and is claimed by Mohammedans to be the ‘ACTUAL UNALTERABLE words of their SATANIC God’
This Taqqiya LIES and deception is typical of Mohammedans as is their pathetic attempts to say that this book which is supposed to be and is self declared ‘Clear and Easily Understood’ and ‘for all men for all time’ but can ONLY be understood in Primitive AMBIGUOUS Ancient Arabic so they can twist and turn and distort its real meaning. A book which can ONLY be understood in Ancient AMBIGUOUS Arabic cannot possibly be described as’clear and easily understood’ nor can it be ‘for all men for all time’.
They also say some Koranic verses are LITERAL and some ALLEGORICAL but ask them to tell you which is which and they cannot they need to keep the ALLEGORICAL excuse alive so they can use it in the future when Kaffir Science discovers something else that contradicts the pathetic Koran.

Nov 9, 2009 - 7:50 pm 129. Donna V.:

“Austin, Texas, Aug. 1, 1966: 17 dead, 31 wounded at the University of Texas…”

Er, I missed hearing that Charles Whitman was shouting “Death in the name of Jesus Christ!” as he was shooting.

However, in moho’s fantasy world, any mass murderer who can nominally be described as a “Christian” (ie, Whitman or Timothy McVeigh) equals a mass murderer who expressly killed because of his faith.

Someone on another blog summed it up nicely: Conservatives are willing to die to defend their country.
Liberals are willing to have you die for their beliefs.

Nov 9, 2009 - 8:33 pm 130. moho:

What I really enjoy is watching you bigots go to it. It really makes it funnier when you weep and moan about being called bigots. Really, I’d actually have sympathy for you if you admited that you like being bigots, you just don’t want to deal with the social opprobrium. That’s honest at least, as it is obvious. Unfortunatley, none of you have the stones to say it. So I guess you’ll have to live your lives in this shameful way. How you can look yourselves in the mirror every morning is a real mystery to the rest of us.

Nov 9, 2009 - 9:17 pm 131. Thiagan:

Mo

Read the history of jihad.

History of Jihad

> The Jihad against Turks (622 – 634);> against Zoroastrian Persians of Iran, Baluchistan and Afghanistan (634 -651);> against Byzantine Christians (634 – 1453); > against Christian Coptic Egyptians (640 – 655); > against Christian Coptic Nubians, modern Sudanese (650); > against pagan Berbers , North Africa (650 – 700);> against Spaniards (711 – 730); > against Franks, modern French ( 720 – 732); > against Sicilians in Italy ( 812 – 940); > against the Chinese (751);> against Turks ( 651 – 751);> against Armenians and Georgians ( 1071 – 1920); > against Mongols (1260 – 1300); > against Hindus in India, Pakistan and Bangladesh (638 – 1857);> against Indonesians and Malays ( 1450 – 1500);> against Poland ( 1444 – 1699);> against Germany (1945 onwards);> The Jihad Rumania (1350 – 1699);> against Russia ( 1500 – 1853);> against Bulgaria ( 1350 -1843);> against Serbs, Croats and Albanians ( 1334 – 1920);> against Greeks ( 1450 – 1853);> against Albania ( 1332 – 1853);> against Croatia ( 1389 – 1843);> against Hungarians ( 1500 – 1683);> against Austrians ( 1683);>

Jihad in the Modern Age 20th and 21st century
> The Jihad against Israelis (1943 – 2009 onwards); > against Americans ( 2001 onwards); > against the British ( 1947 onwards);> against Denmark (cartoon controversy onwards);> against Netherlands ( 2006 onwards);> against Filipino in Mindanoa ( 1970 onwards); > against Indonesian Christians in Malaku and East Timor ( 1970 onwards); > against Russians (1975 onwards); > against Dutch and Belgians (2003 onwards); > against Norwegians and Swedes (2003 onwards); > against Thais (2003 onwards); > against Nigerians ( 1965 onwards); against Canadians ( 2001 onwards); > against Latin America ( 2003 onwards); > against Australia ( 2002 onwards); global against the infidels ( 2001 ongoing); > against Hindus (1947 on going)

That is why Winston Churchill said:

“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities – but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.”

—Sir Winston Churchill, from The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248-50 (London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899).

Nov 9, 2009 - 11:05 pm 132. Thomas Fink:

moho: “So I guess you’ll have to live your lives in this shameful way. How you can look yourselves in the mirror every morning is a real mystery to the rest of us.”

Since you as a Muslim, practicing or not practicing, come from a shame culture this is indeed really a mystery for you and the rest of your flock. As Dr. Sanity writes: “In a shame culture like the Islamic culture what other people believe has a far more powerful impact on behavior than even what the individual believes. As noted by Gutman in his writings, the desire to preserve honor and avoid shame to the exclusion of all else is one of the primary foundations of the culture. This desire has the side-effect of giving the individual carte blanche to engage in wrong-doing as long as no-one knows about it, or knows he is involved.

Additionally, it may be impossible for an individual to even admit to himself that he is guilty (even when he is) particularly when everyone else considers him to be guilty because of the shame involved. As long as others remain convinced he is innocent, the individuals does not experience either guilt or shame. A great deal of effort therefore goes into making sure that others are convinced of your innocence (even if you are guilty).

In general, it has been noted that the shame culture works best within a collectivist society, although it can exist in pockets even within a predominant guilt culture.”

You think you can lure people into your shameculture by imposing shame on them. You fool, we rise every morning with delight, happy not to live in the miserable prison you have designed for yourself and the rest of you. Blaming others for your misery is your way of living and when it don´t works you shout insults.

Nov 10, 2009 - 1:18 am 133. Thiagan:

Mohammed (57)

“You want to know what a Moderate Muslim looks like? A NORMAL PERSON. Just like you or any God fearing person.”

The followers of Islam are of three types; like vulcanoes. Active ones; dormant ones and dead ones. The soldier is the second variety; he erupted suddenly. The safes ones are the dead ones.

Nov 10, 2009 - 3:29 am 134. Thiagan:

Mohamed

“If you oppose a Muslim wanting Sharia Law then you should oppose Christians who want a Christian society. It’s really the Pot calling the Kettle Black.” (98)

This is the brazen attitude of all the followers. They wil emigrate into the host country; refuse to integrate and will make all efforts to convert the host country into an Isamic one. It is the kettle that is trying to demolish the pot.

Nov 10, 2009 - 3:44 am 135. Donna V.:

You think you can lure people into your shameculture by imposing shame on them. You fool, we rise every morning with delight, happy not to live in the miserable prison you have designed for yourself and the rest of you. Blaming others for your misery is your way of living and when it don´t works you shout insults.

Exactly right. I could care less if moho or any other leftist turd thinks I’m a bigot. The word has no meaning whatsoever coming out of their mouths.

When confronted with his ridiculous analogy (Charles Whitman = Hasan), moho collapses into a frothing, shrieking nutcase who thinks that if he keeps repeating his big lie it will become true. And this pathetic headcase thinks he can “impose shame on us?”

We laugh at you, nitwit.

Nov 10, 2009 - 3:49 am 136. Thiagan:

As a Hindu from India, the Westerners should appreciate the difficulties in managing 200 million muslims amongst us for over 1000 years. We have managed them and here are a few suggestions:

> Go back to Christianity and the Church. It is a good religion and it is worth defending. Defending Christianity is better slogan than defending an abstract like freedom of speech, democracy etc.

> Throw out the socialist scoundrels from politics and the left lunatics from the academics

> Force the Conservative Party to become Christianity supporting party; it is unlikely that the Church will exert any undue influence in the government and it is a an issue that can be remedied.

> Scrap the welfare pay outs except for the aged. Welfare only encourages the unproductives and undesirables.

> Make extradition easy and it should be for the entire family; the convict will be jailed say for a period of five years but the family will be thrown out immediately on conviction

> Influence the judiciary, by fair and foul means, to give tougher decisions. There is an active police-judiciary network in India.

> The police force should be brainwashed against muslims and should use violent methods to control. In India the police does and people brush aside the resultant Islamic jingoism.

> The Conservative party should accept national security as the main plank

> Re-install death penalty

> Once in five years there should be riots in which thousands of muslims will be killed. Sounds barbaric; the alternative is being consumed by barbarism. In India we retaliate and it is called constructive response.

> Separate them physically in secluded areas; that is better than to permit them to live in all areas, which they will contaminate. They will never assimilate and do not attempt at it.

> Stop muslim immigration and substitute with Hindu labour; they are law abiding and will integrate admirably well. Hindus are the second richest and most highly educated minority in USA. There is a not a single case of a Hindu being profiled for wrong reasons.

> Teach the children to hate the muslims; they any way are doing the same thing.

> Follow the Hindu way of life; live life and accept death as inevitable; live for the children and for their future. Sex is only a side attraction and wealth is only incidental.

> Consign all the human rights character to Saudi Arabia, that is the place where they should practice their profession; tell them human lives are more important than human rights

> Get out of EU and preserve your right to protect your country and its culture. Earlier you had a country and culture to be proud of and now EU has converted the countries into anonymous entities

> In India we have a main stream political party for protecting the majority rights; create a similar one, since otherwise the secular fanatics abandon the majority

Nov 10, 2009 - 3:55 am 137. uk-anti-racist:

What the muslims do not realise is that we have universal literacy on our side. It’s time to get a list of the horrific verses in the Koran and email that list plus a pdf of the Koran to everyone you know. They can see for themselves what muslims believe. The backlash that is coming is going to put the muslims in their place.

Geert Wilders’ “Party of Freedom” has more support in the Netherlands (that country famous for hundreds of years for its religious tolerance), than any other party. Pim Fortuyn warned us of the truth of islam, and was assassinated by a PC nut job.

In the UK in the past 5 years BNP has gone from less than 200,000 votes, to almost 1,000,000 votes. And the BNP (rightly or wrongly) is positioned by the politicians and the media as a neo-Nazi party. Think about that. The vote for what most people believe is a neo-Nazi party went up by 500% in 5 years. And this is primarily because of the rise of islam in the UK.

That 1,000,000 votes represented only 6% of the electorate in early 2009. A recent survey of voters put the BNP’s support now at around 20%. As a gay man (with a non-white husband) even I’m supporting the BNP (I don’t believe they are a neo-Nazi party; they hate Hitler and love Churchill).

The BNP’s website gets more hits than the websites of all the other parties combined. We know that the media are lying to us about the problems with muslims in the UK. Everyone I know thinks that the islamic problem is the number 1 issue. These are people who voted for parties all across the political spectrum.

The PC brigade are just so stupid. They should be the first in line to stand up for women’s rights, gay rights and the rights of all non-muslims. The PC people I know will not even read the Koran, and they will not read any of the books published since 2001 that show what the true threat from islam is.

I and my other gay friends have decided that the PC people who defend islam but not gay rights or women’s rights are our enemies.

Nov 10, 2009 - 4:22 am 138. indian:

India has paid a heavy price – and continues to pay – at the hand of jihadists for over 10 centuries.

Western world ignored these and instread tried to cultivate them absorbing them as immigrants with the maxim ‘On No Account Upset the Muslims.’ Wherever Muslims are present as a sizeable chunk as immigrants, they are giving problems to their country. Denmark, France, UK…everywhere. If New Zealand and Switzerland are peaceful, it is because Muslims haven’t landed there.

Folks, wake up, see the danger of Islam and their adherents. For a start, stop giving visas to Muslims in your country . That is the only way you can protect you and your kids !!

Nov 10, 2009 - 5:02 am 139. Delia:

I thought that ‘Jihad for Dummies’ looked familiar!

http://www.strangecosmos.com/content/item/107840.html

That cover cracks me up every time I read it until the seriousness of the underlying reality of it sinks in.

If only it was just a ‘joke’.

Nov 10, 2009 - 6:14 am 140. Paul of Alexandria:

(123)
’scuse me, that should be “Inshallah“, or “if God wills.” Got ahead of myself.

Nov 10, 2009 - 6:32 am 141. Michael Smith:

So “moho” and “Mohamad” want us to believe that Hasan’s relationship to Islam is fundamentally no different than Charles Whitman’s or the Klu Klux Klan’s relationship to Christianity or a child-molesting priest’s relationship to Catholicism — so that just as we would not use Whitman’s, the Klan’s or the priest’s actions to condemn Christianity or Catholicism, so we should not use Hasan’s actions to condemn Islam.

The trouble with that claim is that noting in Christianity urges the mass murder of random strangers on a University campus. Nor does Christianity urge the lynching of blacks. Nor does Catholicism advocate child molestation.

Yet the Koran specifically and repeatedly urges Muslims to do precisely what Hasan did: slay the infidel wherever you find him.

Yes, there are other parts of the Koran that preach tolerance and peace. But then there is that pesky doctrine of abrogation held by quite a number of Islamic scholars. According to this doctrine, the later, more violent sections of the Koran are the true beliefs of the Prophet and abrogate (or cancel) the earlier peaceful injunctions.

Go here for an excellent article on the issue of abrogation in Islam: http://www.meforum.org/article/1754

This is not an interpretation of the Koran being pushed by an enemy of Islam — rather, it is being pushed by respected Muslim scholars studying Islam. And in accordance with the later, violent demands of the Koran, the combat wing of the Islamic religion is waging holy war against Western civilization.

“Moho” and “Mohamad” would have more credibility if they were vigorously campaigning against those Muslims who interpret the Koran according to the doctrine of abrogation — instead, they pretend that such people do not exist and that Hasan’s behavior is thus not connected to Islam at all. Well, we know better.

Nov 10, 2009 - 7:25 am 142. Paul of Alexandria:

Mohamed (46):

…

There are moderate Muslims who are normal people living in America and the rest of the world. Just because Muslims are different than you doesn’t mean you should fear them. This is an act by ONE person. Not the entire faith.

What about those extremist Christian Snipers killing abortion doctors?

This comment requires a large amount of thought. Please consider the following:

As well documented in Jihad Watch, Islam Watch, The Arab Mind, and various other books, articles, and websites chronicled here and elsewhere Islam does preach violent jihad against non-Muslims. The Koran is quite clear: non-believers can convert or die, People of the Book have the additional choice of Dhimmitude. Fourteen-hundred years of history bear witness to the Islamic tradition of conquest and conversion by the sword.

More importantly, if you examine Muslim and Arab writings, tradition, and culture you soon see that there is no separation of church and state within Islam. Under Islam, a Sharia theocracy is the only option available.

Christianity’s founding documents, on the other hand, specifically call for Christians to live within the world – “in the world, not of it” and in peace with their neighbors, believers and unbelievers alike. There is no reading of Christian Scripture that calls for violent conquest and conversion of one’s neighbor. Indeed, the point can be made that a non-voluntary conversion to Christianity is not and cannot be valid.

Similarly for the Jews, Hindus, and Buddhists. While I’m not familiar enough with the latter two to speak with authority, nothing that I have ever read in their scripture calls for conversion by other than peaceful persuasion. While the Old Testament does contain much violence and calls for war, this was only in the context of the initial conquest of the land of Israel; nothing there calls for world conquest or forcible conversion. Indeed, as Jesus himself (an acknowledged rabbi) said of the Old Testament Law: the sum of the Law is “Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother, and love your neighbor as yourself.” (Mat 19:18,19).

So, what, then, is one to make of a Muslim, Christian, Jew, or a Buddhist kills someone and claims a religious motive? With the Christian, the Jew, or the Buddhist, one may point to their own, acknowledged writings and history and say “you are wrong.” Indeed, one of the most famous episodes in early Christianity is the public rebuke of the Emperor Theodosius by bishop Ambrose of Milan for the massacre of 7000 persons at Thessalonica in 390.

One may not say the same of a Muslim, however, since one may not point to any portion of the Quran or the Hadith that calls for Muslims to live peacefully with their neighbors. Indeed, there are a great number of calls to the contrary. How, then, can one chastise a Muslim who acts in a fashion that is commanded by his own scripture? It should be noted here that the Wahhabi sect from which most of the terrorists come is a fundamentalist sect, proclaiming the most literal and straightforward interpretation of the Quran.

This is not to mention the practice known as al-Takeyya, or a policy whereby a Muslim may lie, deceive or omit critical truths if it promotes the spreading of Islam AND the conquest of the non-Muslim world.

So, what are we unbelievers to do? We cannot, by their own admitted policies, trust Muslims. The answer, unfortunately is no. Their own scripture calls for them to conquer us and convert us by the sword, their own policies allow them to lie to us, their entire history is one of violent conquest and slavery.

Yes, there are peaceful Muslims who wish to live peacefully with their neighbors, but – as noted by Gregory M. Davis: “in any religion or ideology there will be many who profess, but do not practice, its tenets. Just as it is often easier for a Christian to hit back, play holier-than-thou, or disdain others, so it is often easier for a Muslim to stay at home rather than embark on jihad. Hypocrites are everywhere.”

Then, of course, in any religion there are those who are practice it because they were brought up in it, but are fundamentally ignorant of their faith’s basic tenets and teachings. Witness, unfortunately, those people who kill abortion providers in the name of Christ. They may be rightfully condemned by the very faith which they profess. Can one say the same of a Muslim who cries “Allah Akbar” as he shoots his fellow soldiers?

Nov 10, 2009 - 7:31 am 143. Michael Smith:

In the first sentence of paragraph 2 above, “noting in Christianity” should be “nothing in Christianity”.

Nov 10, 2009 - 7:31 am 144. Paul of Alexandria:

Mohamed (61):

Name another religion that has waged war on people not in it? How about Christianity. Remeber the Crusades?

The Crusades were a response to the Muslim invasion of the Holy Land in the 7th Century. The Muslims started it.

Nov 10, 2009 - 7:38 am 145. Paul of Alexandria:

Thiagan (136):

As a Hindu from India, the Westerners should appreciate the difficulties in managing 200 million muslims amongst us for over 1000 years.

Interesting insight, thank you.

Nov 10, 2009 - 7:44 am 146. Jim Baker:

What of all these lemmings who follow the preachings of self proclaimed messiahs? It has been this way since the beginnings of human culture. I am sick and tired of hearing from ANY religious nuts on ANY subject. How many more victims of Islam will it take for us to understand that they are at war with us. Religion just sucks.

Nov 10, 2009 - 7:54 am 147. Mr. Independant:

ETAB,

First of all thank you for your post. You ask some very interesting questions, which I think is the most important element to learning.

On your main question ‘what you think the ideology of terrorism consists of?’, it’s simple: the ideology of terrorism is the use of violence (mainly murder) or the threatened use of such violence against non-combatants to achieve political objectives. You’ll notice a recurring theme with all terrorist organizations; they all want to control the governmental apparatuses of the various nations that they attack in.

In response to your second question, yes I have heard the preaching’s of radical imams stating the very things that you have written about. They are the minority of Islamic clergy. BTW those sermons sound almost identical to similar preaching’s that for decades were spoken by various non-Catholic clergy in support of the KKK. A terrorist organization. An organization that at the height of its power in the 1920’s had almost 5 MILLION members. That was roughly 15% of the population. All of whom claimed that their religion, that the Bible commanded their actions. Now you’re not suggesting the Christianity is somehow evil because of that, are you? Of course not. Christianity, especially the Catholic Church has a 2,000 year history (but not a perfect one) of loving their neighbors, promoting peace, and helping the downtrodden. So do Muslims (except for the 2000 year part). Many terrorist organizations use religion as a justification for their actions. In the case of Al-Qaeda and the KKK, they use Islam and Christianity. That doesn’t justify their actions.

You also asked if I was aware that 99.9% of all modern terrorists in the world are Muslims. That’s false. Almost half of all acts of terrorism that have occurred over the past 40 years have occurred in Latin America. Specifically the FARC (the so called Revolutionary Armed Forces of Columbia). There’s about a 98% chance that they are all Catholics. Over the past 40 years the governments of the US & Columbia have credited the FARC with committing over 300,000 murders. And that’s just one of the terrorist organizations operating in one country. BTW I couldn’t find any such references to those acts of terrorism on the link you supplied. That link also listed its sources almost exclusively from questionable ‘media’ outlets. While I do get useful information from the media I prefer that it be confirmed by a governmental and a non-governmental source.

On your question if I have ever read the Qur’an, the answer is yes. BTW I find it useful to use the Koran spelling, so others don’t misspell it. Anyway, on your point concerning violent passages in the Koran, yes I’m away of that. The Koran was written at a very violent time in human history. Likewise, the Old Testament also has very violent messages for non-believers.

Your final point actual proves mine. The KKK opposed everyone who didn’t support their ideology. But they did use the Bible as justification for their acts of terrorism. And I would suspect that a great many Christians view the Bible as the direct word of GOD, just like many Muslims also believe the same about the Koran.

Finally I’d like to restate my point that the problem with terrorism is NOT religion, it’s the terrorist.

Nov 10, 2009 - 8:10 am 148. Bohemond:

” And if we’re going to use ancient history as part of analyses, then let’s not forget that Christian crusaders slaughtered every non-Christian man, woman, and child in Jerusalem when they conquered it. When Salah’hdin conquered Jerusalem, he allowed most of the people not only to live, but to continue observing their respective faiths.”

More taqqiyeh- Islamist disinformation.

When Jerusalem fell to assault in 1099 it was subject to massacre and pillage *like every other city* which refused surrender terms and was taken by storm, under the laws of war as they were understood at the time.

When it was retaken in 1184 the city surrendered on terms, and was therefore not subject to pillage. Saladin let the garrison march away and indeed, didn’t kill anybody….

but he SOLD THEM ALL INTO SLAVERY.

It amuses me no end that the Muzzies and their fellow-travellers try to bring up examples from the medieval and ancient worlds (usually w/o understanding)- without mentioning the fact that WE GOT OVER IT. Muzzies never have.

Nov 10, 2009 - 8:18 am 149. Real Deal:

#95 Again Moho tries to claim something other than what something means. King James version of Leviticus 1 -13.

1 Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.

2 Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.

3 If ye walk in my statutes, and keep my commandments, and do them;

4 Then I will give you rain in due season, and the land shall yield her increase, and the trees of the field shall yield their fruit.

5 And your threshing shall reach unto the vintage, and the vintage shall reach unto the sowing time: and ye shall eat your bread to the full, and dwell in your land safely.

6 And I will give peace in the land, and ye shall lie down, and none shall make you afraid: and I will rid evil beasts out of the land, neither shall the sword go through your land.

7 And ye shall chase your enemies, and they shall fall before you by the sword.

8 And five of you shall chase an hundred, and an hundred of you shall put ten thousand to flight: and your enemies shall fall before you by the sword.

9 For I will have respect unto you, and make you fruitful, and multiply you, and establish my covenant with you.

10 And ye shall eat old store, and bring forth the old because of the new.

11 And I set my tabernacle among you: and my soul shall not abhor you.

12 And I will walk among you, and will be your God, and ye shall be my people.

13 I am the LORD your God, which brought you forth out of the land of Egypt, that ye should not be their bondmen; and I have broken the bands of your yoke, and made you go upright.

Easy enough for people to read and determine for themselves, you like to clip and snip moho to try to make things sound as you want them. At the time Leviticus was written this was an important promise from God, no need to fear their enemies, their lands will not experience war, and when/if it does come they will be mighty in battle and slay their enemies.

Nov 10, 2009 - 8:58 am 150. Real Deal:

@ Mr. Independent in 147:

The main difference between Koran and the OT is that when taken in context the OT refers to a specific time and place(Israel), where as the Koran is open ended and calls for the conversion & subjugation of the entire world.

Nov 10, 2009 - 9:09 am 151. Byron Dickens:

Moho reminds me of the Chineeds proverb: Better to remain silent and let everyone think you’re a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

Nov 10, 2009 - 10:03 am 152. Michael Smith:

“Mr. Independent” claimed:

Specifically the FARC (the so called Revolutionary Armed Forces of Columbia). There’s about a 98% chance that they are all Catholics.

As far as I know, the FARC is a communist/Marxist insurgency — so I seriously doubt that what they are fighting for is to establish a Catholic theocracy.

In any event, your argument fails for the same reason as the one being pushed by “moho” and “Mohamad”: the alledged sins committed by (or in the name of) one religion in the past do not justify and/or excuse another religion advocating — in the present — the mass murder and/or global subjugation of all those who disagree with it.

No amount of spinning, twisting, obfuscating or prevaricating will change that basic fact.

Nov 10, 2009 - 10:18 am 153. Mr. Independant:

Michael Smith,

On your first point you seem to have misunderstood the meaning of my post. I wasn’t trying to suggest that the FARC is or was ever trying to create a theocracy. I was simply pointing out that 99.9% of all modern terrorists are not Muslims. Hence my reference to the FARC and the probable religious denomination of their members.

On your second point you again seem to not understand the meaning of my argument. I agree that
“the alleged sins committed by (or in the name of) one religion in the past do not justify and/or excuse another religion advocating — in the present — the mass murder and/or global subjugation of all those who disagree with it.” I wasn’t trying to justify one group’s act of terrorism by pointing to another’s. I was simply pointing out that the belief that terrorism would cease if the religion of Islam didn’t exist, is false. That was the reasoning behind my references to organizations like the KKK.

The point I’ve been trying to make is that the problem with terrorism is NOT religion but the terrorist.

Nov 10, 2009 - 11:36 am 154. Cravczec:

The United States is on the fast track toward self-marginalization. Liberals are in charge and they are embarrassed by American hegemony and power. They are afraid that the rest of the world will continue to dislike us if we assert our power. Our economy is quickly disintegrating. Our governmental institutions are exacerbating the downfall by inventing extremely expensive “fixes” for non-existent problems that will bankrupt us. As economic opportunity wanes and wealth is dissipated Americans will become more and more desperate. This desperation will create a populace wherein many have nothing more to loose and will become radicalized. Violence such as seen at Fort Hood will become more prevalent as people get hungry. People will be hungry for freedom, remembered prosperity, as well as the basic necessities of food and shelter. Our border security is breaking down by design and neglect. We will soon be defending our neighborhoods and towns against economically desperate marauders. Those of us who are on some government list somewhere will eventually be attacked or rounded up and funneled into government processing centers for re-education or segregation (concentration camps).

We have lived our lives in relative peace. Few of us are prepared for the kind of violence, which will make the riots in the sixties look like a rock concert.

If you don’t think any of this is actually possible please study the history of Europe for the thirty years preceding World War 2.

Barack Obama’s administration is populated with Communists, Maoists, and Socialists which represents an enormous and complete paradigm shift from freedom fueled by capitalism to socialist/communist command and control. This happened because they campaigned as moderates which fooled the 30% of the nation that is gullible enough or stupid enough or uneducated enough to cast a vote for this usurper.

Nov 10, 2009 - 12:15 pm 155. ETAB:

Mr. Independent -

No, the problem with terrorism is the ideology within which the man, the terrorist, operates. You cannot reduce ideological terrorism to psychologial aberrations.

For the KKK to CLAIM that the bible supported their behaviour (which was also anti-Catholic by the way; check out your obvious wikipedia site)..does NOT mean that the bible does support their behavior. Nowhere in the bible, as in the Qu’ran, do such exhortations to kill nonbelievers exist.

The fact that you say that these imams who preach violence are in the minority is irrelevant; they are in charge of key, not peripheral, mosques. Very unlike the KKK, which was viewed as criminal and outlawed.

Furthermore, your blatan relativism is unethical. It does NOT excuse the operations of the Islamic fundamentalists. Nothing can excuse such behavior.

You may prefer a ‘govt’ source but that is naive, for such can be whitewashed; you may prefer a non-govt source…and yet reject strangely, my source, which is non-govt. You tend to reject data that does not conform to your a priori world view.

Latin American terrorism was a communist driven agenda; when the USSR stopped funding them, these groups moved to drug/kidnapping criminal cartels. In no case was it ever a religious ideology and it is now no longer a political but a criminal agenda.

It is absolutely untrue that 99.9% of modern terrorism are not Islamic; they are.

You say that Islam has a history of peace and loving their neighbors? You are unreal! Don’t you know that from the 7th c on, since its inception, Islam was engaged in almost constant warfare..first with other tribes to subdue them and take their land, then, on to the Byzantines and the West…on and on until about1500. Don’t you know their history????

No, the Qu’ran wasn’t written in a violent time in human history, for all periods have had their own violence. The Qu’ran is NOT understood,as is the bible, as a text of writing. The bible is a text written by various people about events over historical periods. The Qu’ran is understood as the direct word of god! Don’t you know that??

And all your moral equivalence suppositions about ‘a great many Christians’ viewing the bible as the direct word of god are just that- your suppositions. The bible doesn’t read, like the Qu’ran, as admonitions but as a narrative. Don’t you know the difference between an authoritative order and a narrative?

Now, since you are defining the problem as ‘the terrorist’, could you explain why almost 99.9% of modern terrorists…are Muslim, and assert that they are following the orders of the religion?

Nov 10, 2009 - 12:56 pm 156. Michael Smith:

Mr. Independent wrote:

…you seem to have misunderstood the meaning of my post.

I don’t think I’ve misunderstood the meaning of your comments at all. I think what you are trying to argue is precisely the argument I addressed in comment 141 above.

You are arguing that just as the KKK’s acts cannot be held against Christianity, and the terrorism of FARC cannot be held against Catholicism, so the acts of Hasan cannot be held against Islam.

The trouble with that argument is exactly what I pointed out in 141. The ten commandments of Christianity do not include the commandment to “lynch the black man wherever you find him”. Nor is there any instruction in Catholicism exhorting the faithful in Columbia to stage a communist insurgency against the government. So, yes, it would be absurd to hold Christianity or Catholicism responsible for those acts.

But Islam as communicated by the Koran specifically and repeatedly urges Muslims to do exactly what Hasan did: slay the infidels wherever you find them. So there is every reason in the world to hold Islam accountable for Hasan’s actions.

In one comment you claimed:

The basic massage of Christ is peace. The same is true of Islam.

What you (apparently) fail to realize is that there numerous Islamic scholars who very much disagree with you on this point — who say the message of the Koran is that it is the duty of every Muslim to spread Islam, and do so by the sword if necessary.

Yes, the Koran has verses calling for tolerance and peace. But you evade the doctrine of abrogation, which holds that the later, much more violent verses of the Koran represent the true beliefs of the Prophet and cancel the earlier verses that call for tolerance.

Go here for an excellent article on the issue of abrogation in Islam: http://www.meforum.org/article/1754

You say the problem with terrorism is not religion but the terrorist. But if it is religion — and the religion’s advocates — that convinces a man that he has a duty to murder for Allah, then the religion is very much part of the problem.

If you think the message of Islam is peace, then you need to join up with “moho” and “Mohamad” and go convince the combat wing of Islam that the doctrine of abrogation is false, that the scholars pushing it are just plain wrong and that their jihad is not justified by Islam.

I would not, however, go unarmed.

Nov 10, 2009 - 1:00 pm 157. james:

moho should read what Churchill had to say about Islam and Muslims. He said a lot, all of it blunt, true, and, typical of him, devastating.
Oh but I forgot: Churchill is probably a ‘db’ also. Of course. He was a westerner and a Christian. That’s all it takes with moho and the suicides who hang with him.
And speaking of Churchill, next time you’re in London moho take a walk by yourself up in Finsbury on a Saturday night. Good luck!

Nov 10, 2009 - 1:47 pm 158. Mr. Independant:

ETAB,

Your last post is very confusing. I don’t understand how you can state that in post #155 “the problem with terrorism is the ideology within which the man” and then continue to disagree with my position that the problem with terrorism is NOT religion but the terrorist. And for the record I did not reduce terrorism to anything. I simply stated that the problem with terrorism is NOT religion, it’s the terrorists.

On you comment about the KKK claiming the Bible supports their acts of terrorism you seemed to imply that they didn’t. That’s absurd. And again for the record I never stated that the KKK wasn’t anti-Catholic. Perhaps you should stop using the Wikipedia for your sources.

You also stated that “Nowhere in the bible, as in the Qu’ran, do such exhortations to kill nonbelievers exist.” ETAB have you ever read the Bible? ”I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.” 1st Samuel 15:2-3. I guess the Wikipedia didn’t cover that part. Also the correct traditional spelling of the Koran is Qur’an not Qu’ran. ETAB if I look up the term Koran on the Wikipedia will I see it spelt the way you have?

Now before you get all flustered, my comments above are not intended to embarrass you, but to illustrate the need to check you sources. You commented later in your last post about your view about government sources of information. Your comments indicate that you did not understand the concept of my comment. I stated “While I do get useful information from the media I prefer that it be confirmed by a governmental and a non-governmental source.” When conducting research I prefer to have at least three sources. One journalistic, one governmental, and one non-governmental (like a watchdog group). The reason for that is simple; if all three organizations come to the same conclusion, then it is very unlikely that they are all wrong. It’s a form of the double-blind elimination method.

On your next point you once again do not seem to understand the concept of my comments. I never made any statement of relativism or any excuses for anyone. What I did state is that your belief that Islam is the cause of “99.9%” of all terrorism is disproven by groups like the KKK and the FARC.

Your next point was also confusing. If you accept that Latin American terrorism is not based on religion, how can you then still claim to believe that Islam is the cause of “99.9” of all terrorism?

On your comment about history you stated several inaccuracies. There was no such thing as the Byzantines. Now if I look up this term in the Wikipedia will it correspond to your comments? You also stated that “No, the Qu’ran wasn’t written in a violent time in human history”. Well that comment is just silly. The Koran was probably written some time after 632AD. That was during the Dark Ages ETAB. Wars between the Romans, Arabs, & Persians were constant.

And finally once again the problem with terrorism is NOT religion but the terrorist. Otherwise how do you explain organizations like the FARC?

Nov 10, 2009 - 2:54 pm 159. RRWest:

This talk of “political correctness” is really about values, not political parties.

Had any Islamist really valued being “politically correct”, then we would not be seeing atrocities like 9/11, the Ft. Hood massacre or any other Islamic terrorist actions at all.

I’m afraid that we are all talking at cross-purposes since the people we are criticizing have never shared the same values we have.

The only dialogue they hear is their own, not ours. We can argue and discuss all we want, but that does not change the fact that innocent people all over the world are being killed in the name of this ancient ideology that wears the mask of religion.

To stop the killing, we must stop arguing amongst ourselves about motives and politics and get on with it.

WWII was not fought and won by endless rounds of blogs, but by a concerted effort to stop the Nazis and Imperial Japan in their tracks using the only methods they understood, raw, naked force of arms.

Nov 10, 2009 - 3:00 pm 160. Mr. Independant:

Michael Smith,

Your last post confirms that you didn’t understand the concept of my #153 post. I made a separate issue of the FARC specifically because their acts of terrorism are not motivated by religion. I pointed that out to dispute the assertion that you and other seem to make (correct me if I’m wrong) that Islam is the cause of terrorism. It’s not. Yes there are Islamic terrorist organizations (Al-Qaeda), just like there were Christian terrorist organizations (KKK), and there are non-religious terrorist organizations (FARC).

What you (apparently) fail to realize is that there have been various ‘Christian’ clergy that have taught their followers the message of the Bible is that it is the duty of every believer to spread Christianity, and do so by the sword if necessary (read 1st Samuel 15:2-3). They were the minority, just like the Imams that do so today are the minority.

And if you think (like ETAB does) that Islam is the cause of ’99.9%’ of all terrorism, how do you explain the FARC?

Nov 10, 2009 - 3:08 pm 161. ETAB:

Mr. Independent – you tend to pontificate and fail to understand the reality of terrorism.

Your assertion that terrorism is based on the terrorists is an empty circular answer. WHAT is the agenda of the terrorists? You don’t ask or answer that.

Terrorism is not an empty word; it’s an action based on an ideology. Islamic terrorism is based on the ideology, the beliefs, of radical Islam. Therefore, Islamic terrorism is based on the religion of Islam.

No, I don’t use Wikipedia, but I think you do.

Again, the bible is not exhorting people to kill non-believers NOW. That is an historical account of a tribal war. Do you undrstand this? It is not an exhortation to kill all non-believers now. Is that bible calling on Christians now, to kill non-believers? No.

Yes, in answer to your trivial red herring, you’ll find Qu’ran,Qur’an, and Quran on google within various newspapers, academic articles and others. Try it. I don’t know about Wikipedia; that’s your resource. I’d advise you to lessen your sanctimonous smugness..and check out a variety of resources.

Your triadic method of resource checking is naive and unreliable. After all, all three resources could be relying on the same invalid data base. If one of my research students attempted such a tactic, and dared to call it double blind – I’d send them back to work, and to a review of the method of ‘double-blind’.

When I am referring to 99.9% of terrorism, I am referring to the current world situation. Latin American terrorism is over; it was, over two decades and more, communist terrorism. The attacks now, are not terrorist, but drug and hostage criminal attacks. Surely you know this already.

You are unreal – the Byzantines are, in particular, a term used to define the Christian phase of the Roman Empire -

As for my saying that the Qu’ran wasn’t written during a violent time in history this was to counter your disingenuous suggestion that its violence was due to its UNIQUE contextual surroundings..of violence. My point, as you know very well, but are pretending to ignore, is that violence is not a rarity; that it is constant, and therefore, you cannot blame the violence in the Qu’ran on such a context.

You ignore that ideology of the terrorist. In Islamic terrorism, the ideology is Islamic. It isn’t the personal agenda and will of the terrorist. Indeed, you totally ignore WHY the terrorist commits those acts of terror.

Try again. Might I suggest, as others have also suggested,that you read about abrogation and also read up about Al Qaeda.

Nov 10, 2009 - 3:48 pm 162. Michael Smith:

Mr. Independent:

You are indeed wrong about my position. I’ve not claimed, as you put it, “that Islam is the cause of terrorism” — I claim that Islam is a cause of terrorism, and a very significant cause at that. So the fact that there are non-Muslim terrorists is irrelevant to the issue at hand.

And I don’t think your contention about the meaning of Samuel 15:2-3 as being a generalized order to spread Chrisitanity by the sword — in the same fashion that the Koran orders Muslims to spread Islam by the sword — holds water either. That passage from the Bible calls for the destruction of one people for their alleged past crimes, not the imposition of a global theocracy to be imposed by force on all the non-Christians on the planet.

But it is really irrelevant what the Bible says. There is at present no mass movement of Christian terrorists — supported by Christian scholars who declare that all the vicious nonsense in the Bible constitutes its actual meaning and cancels out the Ten Commandments — no movement conducting suicide murders all over the globe, blowing up children, flying airliners into skyscrapers, self-detonating in school yards, playgrounds and pizza parlors, and demanding the imposition of a Christian theocracy. If there were such a movement I’d condemn it just as strongly as I condemn Islam.

By contrast, the Koran exhorts the faithful to make war against infidels as such, not merely the gang that lives over in the next valley, and exhorts its followers to attack the infidels wherever they may be. And that interpretation of Islam is supported by those Islamic scholars that subscribe to the doctrine of abrogation. And the result is a non-stop campaign of Islamic terrorism, wherein literally hardly a day goes by without hearing about a suicide bombing in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, etc.

You say the Islamic terrorists and their supporting Islamic scholars are a minority within Islam. To that I say, well then the Muslim majority needs to get busy and stomp the vermin out. Until you do, they are a mortal threat to western civilization.

Nov 10, 2009 - 4:08 pm 163. Mr. Independant:

ETAB,

I did answer the question of what the agenda of terrorists are. Check post #147.
Yes terrorism is based on ideology but not a particular religion.

You stated in post #155 “Nowhere in the bible, as in the Qu’ran, do such exhortations to kill nonbelievers exist.” That’s simply not true. Hence my reference to the Old Testament. Your suggestion that 1st Samuel 15:2-3 is no longer in the Bible is news to me. Has there been a new Council of Nicaea? All kidding aside, the main point I’ve been trying to make is that the problem with terrorism is NOT religion. Anyone of any faith can use his/her religion as justification for terrorism, like the KKK. But that doesn’t mean that Christianity is the basis for the ideology of the KKK.

The point of my comment on your spelling of the Koran is to encourage you to research your position and that doesn’t include cutting and pasting articles from the Wikipedia.

Your comment about the double-blind elimination method , sounds as if you don’t understand the concept of what that refers to. The whole point of the method is to research a particular topic independently of others and then compare. The method cannot be used with the same data sources. This method is tried and proven, just ask the pharmaceutical industry.

On your assertion that Latin American terrorism is over is absurd. Thousands of men, women, and children are murdered every year (including this one) by the various Narco-Terrorist organizations that operate in Latin America. In just the past three years, Mexican terrorist groups like the Los Zetas (and others), have been responsible for the murderess of over 12,000 people. So now you believe that terrorism is just a criminal matter. I disagree.

Yes I know what the term ‘Byzantines’ refer to. The question is, do you? Why don’t you research that word see if you can tell me who is credited with first using that term. And I’ll give you hint, the Wikipedia misspells his name.

On your comment about your comment about the Koran, what you stated is false. I never stated “its violence was due to its UNIQUE contextual surroundings..of violence”. If you’re going to lie, I’m going to call you out on it.

Your comment that I ignore the ideology of terrorists doesn’t make any sense. The whole point I’ve been making is that religion is NOT the problem, it’s the ideology of the terrorist.

Might I suggest that you should try reading the actual texts that are being discussed. That means the Koran and the Bible.

Nov 10, 2009 - 5:27 pm 164. Mr. Independant:

Michael Smith,

I stand corrected. On this article you have not specifically stated that Islam is the cause of terrorism. I feel that you did imply it though. However unlike some commenters on this site, (like ETAB) I admit when I make a mistake. In this instance I did, and I apologize. However, you do state that you believe Islam is “a very significant cause” of terrorism. So you do believe that if all Muslims were incarcerated there would a very significant reduction of worldwide terrorism? History has shown otherwise. And my references to the KKK and the FARC are relevant in that they disprove the idea that (according to ETAB) Muslims make up 99.9% of terrorists.

Yes there are mostly no Christian clergy advocating terrorism. But that wasn’t the case in the 1920’s. The point being any faith can be used by terrorists to justify their violence.

Also it is relevant what is written in the Bible. Others on this site have stated (and you have suggested) that there are no references of violence on non-believers in the Bible. That’s not true and I was simply pointing that out.

Finally, your last comment is partially correct, even though you are jumping to conclusions. I’m not a Muslim, which is one of the many reasons why I believe I have so much credibility to independently understand these topics. You are right that the peaceful Muslim majority needs to be more assertive in denouncing violence. The Christian majority in 1920’s didn’t do that and the end result was the power of the KKK.

Nov 10, 2009 - 5:52 pm 165. ETAB:

Mr. Independent – you keep evading, evading the issue.

You keep diverting from the meaning of criticisms of your comments into irrelevancies.

We are not engaged on this thread in an abstract discussion suitable only for a thesis, of ‘what is a terrorist’ but in a specific discussion of the reality of modern terrorism – which happens to be Islamic, and which is driven by a specific Islamic ideology.

Nor did I say that Samuel/ is no longer in the bible;stop introducing false diversions. I said that the bible, which is a textual narrative of historical events, is not used to exhort people NOW to kill others. This has been pointed out by others, so please stop with the disingenuous red herrings.

Equally, your ‘double blind’ comment is a red herring; I was pointing out that your triadic reference set is totally unreliable and is not comparable to a ‘double blind test’..as you claimed it was. You are quite wrong to equate the two.

The narcotic gangs of Latin America are criminal gangs. Again, don’t merge criminality with terrorism. That’s an error.

Yes I know that you say that religion is not the base for Islamic terrorism. Therefore, what is? Since terrorism rests on an ideology, the, what is the ideological base for Islamic terrorism? You haven’t provided any explanation other than circular and defensive red herring diversions.

Sheesh – you do have quite the ego, don’t you, with your self-assertion that you ‘have so much credibility’ in understanding this situation. No, as has been pointed out by so many, you don’t seem to understand Islamic terrorism, and jihad. Nor do you understand the role of the Qu’ran in this violence – a grave error.

Nov 10, 2009 - 6:19 pm 166. Mr. Independant:

ETAB,

Actually I make it a point to address specific counter points that you have made. But for the sake of learning, why don’t we try this discussion another way. What issue specifically, do you believe I’m avoiding?

It was my understanding that the thread of this article that we’re discussing, is that the root cause of modern terrorism is the religion of Islam. I disagree. I point to the existence of terrorist organizations that are not pursuing any religious agendas as evidence that Islam is not the cause of (according to you) 99.9% of all terrorism.

Also I’m not diverting from anything. You stated in post #155 that “Nowhere in the bible, as in the Qu’ran, do such exhortations to kill nonbelievers exist.” I pointed out 1st Samuel 15:2-3 as proof that you’re wrong. The time frame of when is irrelevant in this context. I was simply pointing your statement in post #155 was false. Pointing out your various errors is not a red herring.

Additional my explanation of the double-blind elimination method was also not a red herring. You are the one who commented on it. How can you suggest that a comment I posted in response to a question you asked is a red herring. That doesn’t make any sense. And I’m not equating anything. The double-blind elimination test is a tried and tested scientific method.

Furthermore your comment about the terrorist organizations of Latin America is rediculas. The US, EU, Mexico, Columbia, and various international organizations define groups like the FARC as terrorist organizations. It seems to me that you’re persisting with this point because it undermines your entire position. And just out of curiosity, if the FARC isn’t a terrorist organization, why not?

Finally, as I’ve stated many times before, the ideology of terrorism is the belief that it is acceptable to use violence against non-combatants to achieve political goals.

Nov 10, 2009 - 7:53 pm 167. Thiagan:

Mr.Independent

“I disagree. I point to the existence of terrorist organizations that are not pursuing any religious agendas as evidence that Islam is not the cause of (according to you) 99.9% of all terrorism.”

Rubbish. See below:

> Terrorists themselves admit that they are committing these acts to further the cause of Islam. I trust they know their mind better.

> The Book actively promotes the idea that the infidels should be killed

> See my earlier comment about the history op jihad

> Many Islamic leaders are supporting the attacks

> Other terror groups are not religion oriented

> Hindu India has lived with Islamic terror for one thousand years. Take the expert opinion

> Do not attempt to manufacture explanations

> In the Bible, the violent verses are replaced by the NT; Jesus comes and love thy neighbour etc come. In Quaran, the violent verses aborogate the earlier peaceful verses. Further the life of Mohammmed is extremely violent and cruel.

Nov 11, 2009 - 1:59 am 168. Mr. Independant:

Thiagan,

The substance of your arguments is false. They are disproven not just by history by also by current events.

Now on your comment that certain terrorists claim their religion supports their acts of terrorism, that is true. I’ve never disputed that, I’ve simply pointed out that such actions are not confined to Islamic terrorists. Christian terrorist organizations like the KKK and more recently the IRA have and continue to make the same arguments that members of Al-Qaeda make. Does that make Christianity evil, of course not. The same is true of Islam.

Your comment about religious texts promoting violence is true. But it is not exclusive to the Koran. If you read the Bible you will find numerous references in which violence against non-believers is advocated.

Yes some Islamic clergy advocate attacks against non-believers. The same was true of Christian clergy.

On your point about other terrorist organizations not being religious, that’s true. It’s also a point I first made and I don’t understand why you mention it since it supports my position.

Once again I’m not manufacturing anything. I’m simply using history and current events to counter your position.

And the Bible has two parts, the New Testament AND the Old Testament. You may feel that the OT is no longer relevant but that’s just your opinion.

Finally, I must say your post #136 was obscene. That post sounded like something Al-Qaeda would write. The use of terrorism against non-combatants is never acceptable. BTW your suggestions about non-believers have been attempted, in Afghanistan under the Taliban.

Normally I would conclude a discussion with a ‘Hindu’ with Namaste, but I don’t think you believe in honoring the divinity of anyone.

Nov 11, 2009 - 6:49 am 169. Charles Griffith:

This article should be required reading from grades 10-12, then including those enrolled in college levels. And, in a larger sense, illustrates tersely what we are faced with in fighting our Islamist enemies. I wonder, given this example of our President having no better advice, if we are in fact capable of fighting this enemy as required for our survival. This current President we have is in so far over his head that he’s dangerous to this nation. His shortsightedness and attempts to talk from both corners of his mouth simultaneously to everyone are a very large handicap for this nation. The Obama administration is a major obstacle for all those career employees, wherever they may be, attempting to defend this nation. Obama and crew are tying one arm behind us, and cutting off the circulation.

Nov 11, 2009 - 7:38 am 170. Now and Then:

I don’t agree with everything Moho says, but boy, you all got your asses handed to you, and each ass had a “new one.” (All the better to share with the world by bending over and grabbing your ankles per El Rushbo’s bum-up predilections. Butter anyone?)

Nov 11, 2009 - 8:14 am 171. Jim Baker:

Right every Now and Then. Were those your thoughts on the subject? I am awed by your poignancy.

Nov 11, 2009 - 8:31 am 172. Paul -Indiana:

See Hasan’s slide here http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/gallery/2009/11/10/GA2009111000920.html. Page 5 describes Jihad. It is an ‘external struggle’ [i.e. war]

Nov 11, 2009 - 8:48 am 173. Michael Smith:

Mr. Independent asked:

So you do believe that if all Muslims were incarcerated there would a very significant reduction of worldwide terrorism?

I don’t care about “worldwide terrorism”. So the fact that you can come up with dozens of Medelin cartel drug bombings or FARC massacres or KKK murders from 80 years ago is not relevant to me.

I care about terrorism directed specifically at western civilization — terrorism that is extremely well-funded — terrorism that is committed by an apparently unlimited supply of sucide attackers willing to die to kill infidels — terrorism that has already killed many thousands of Americans and is actively seeking weapons of mass destruction of any sort so that it can ratchet up the number it can murder in one act.

And that’s Islamic terrorism — and it doesn’t matter whether it constitutes 10% of total “worldwide terrorism” or 90% of it, it is THE terrorism that is a threat to me, my family and my nation.

And so, to answer your question, yes, if Islam went away, this particular threat would disappear with it.

Nov 11, 2009 - 10:59 am 174. Mr. Independant:

Michael Smith,

If you don’t care about worldwide terrorism then why did you raise the subject in post #162 with the comment “the imposition of a global theocracy to be imposed by force on all the non-Christians on the planet”? Are you now attempting to change your position because the points I’ve made about worldwide terrorism disprove your position?

You stated that you “care about terrorism directed specifically at western civilization”. If that’s the case then you should also be concerned about Narco-terrorists. Those terrorists have killed many thousands of US citizens and will continue to do so. And they commit almost of their acts of terrorism in the west.
You, your family, and the entire country is just as likely (and some would argue, more likely) to be the victim of a Narco-terrorist vs. an Islamic one.
Additionally you stated in your last post “if Islam went away, this particular threat would disappear with it”. I assume (correct me if I’m wrong) that was in answer to my question “So you do believe that if all Muslims were incarcerated there would a very significant reduction of worldwide terrorism?” If that’s the case you’re living in the wrong country Michael. Your parents or grandparents generation did that to Japanese Americans. That was wrong and so is what you’re proposing. And how do you reconcile that position with what you stated in post #152 “the alleged sins committed by (or in the name of) one religion in the past do not justify and/or excuse another religion advocating — in the present — the mass murder and/or global subjugation of all those who disagree with it.”?

While all forms of terrorism are a threat to everyone, it is important to understand that Islam is not.

Nov 11, 2009 - 11:58 am 175. kochevnik:

173@Michael Smith:

>terrorism that has already killed many thousands of
>Americans

Can you give an example? The odds of dying in a terrorist attack are lower than the risk that you will die of a catastrophic asteroid strike.

And they’re not going after the nation or the people. They’re going after nutter christians like you. And you are a far greater problem to Americans than Muslims, because you’re right here. The mythological magical Jesus, might not have done that, but today’s modern Christian will rob you the second you turn your back, lie to your face, all the while telling you “I’d never betray you, I’m a Christian”

The modern Christian wears that label as an all-event pass, cheats on their wife or husband, steals what they can steal, hates gays but in fact often are gay, abhor abortion as killing but will kill doctors, scream small government but elect money spending Republicans, and simply are hypocrites.

Churches hoard wealth and act as a bottomless pit for capital and resources. They should be taxed like any business.

Nov 11, 2009 - 12:00 pm 176. Thiagan:

You havce not provided any material in support of your assertion that the substance of my argument is false. The charge is baseless.

I have already answered the Bible verses. IRS is event related like LTTE and the terrorists were not aspiring for world domination and universal imposition of shariaa. You are too stupid to understand that.

The Christian clergy does not advocate violence against non Christians today. Your assertion is false.

Comment no 136 is very valid and if you want to be a dhimmi paying jazia, it is your business.

Name one muslim country (there are sixty or so) that practises secularism and treat its minorities with equity and fairness.

Nov 11, 2009 - 7:41 pm 177. Thiagan:

What is jihad. Read what they themselves say; as against the fanciful explanations that you manufacture:

“At his blog today, Andrew Bostom, a scholar of jihadism, cites the following passage from “Reliance of the Traveler,” a widely distributed manual of Islamic law produced by al-Azhar University in Egypt, the most authoritative interpreters of theology and sharia jurisprudence in Sunni Islam, the dominant tradition among the world’s Muslims:

“Jihad means to war against non-Muslims, and, is etymologically derived from the word, mujahada, signifying warfare to establish the religion [of Islam]…The scriptural basis for jihad is such Koranic verses as “Fighting is prescribed for you” (Koran 2:216); “Slay them wherever you find them” (Koran 4:89); “Fight the idolators utterly” (Koran 9:36); and such hadiths [sayings of the Prophet] as the one related by (Sahih) Bukhari and (Sahih) Muslim that the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said: “I have been commanded to fight people until they testify that there is no God but Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and perform the prayer, and pay zakat. If they say it, they have saved their blood and possessions from me, except for the rights of Islam over them. And the final reckoning is with Allah”; and the hadith by (Sahih) Muslim, “To go forth in the morning or evening to fight in the path of Allah is better than the whole world and everything in it.”

Nov 11, 2009 - 10:57 pm 178. The Infidel Alliance:

Look….here’s the simple UNDENIABLE reality:

1) “Churchianity” (following the teachings of a church) is different than “Christianity” (following the examples and teachings of Christ)

2) There are 2 parts of the Bible, the Old Testament and New Testament, both written by men. Christianity is reflected best in the New Testament, which is basically a radical reformation of Judiasm (Jesus was a Jew).

3) As no one can prove the existence of a deity (God, Allah), it’s best to evaluate a religion by the teachings and examples of its founders (actual historical figures). Thus, in debate, it’s best to argue the teachings and examples of the founders of the religions which can be reasonably compared on an earthly level.

4) When Christians murder, rape, enslave or rob (from anyone) they do so in DIRECT CONTRAVENTION to the teachings and examples of Christ.

5) When Buddhists murder, rape, enslave or rob (from anyone) they do so in DIRECT CONTRAVENTION to the teachings and examples of the Guatama Budddha.

6) When Muslims/Islamists murder, rape, enslave or rob (from fellow Muslims) they do so in DIRECT CONTRAVENTION to the teachings of Muhammed (for the most part….he granted himself a lot of Prophetic exemptions).

7) When Muslims/Islamists murder, rape, enslave or rob (an infidel) they do so in DIRECT CONCORDANCE with the teachings, examples and mandates of Muhammed.

Good American Muslim Major Nidal Hassan murdered infidels in DIRECT CONCORDANCE with the teachings, examples and mandates of his barbarian prophet.

~ The Infidel Alliance

Nov 12, 2009 - 4:18 am 179. The Infidel Alliance:

We have to understand that we are NOT in a “War on Terror” any more than WW2 was a “War on Blitzkreig”. You can’t be at war with a tactic.

9/11 was no “terror attack”. It was an Islamic military attack against the infidel worlds economic, military and political centers. It was designed to collapse the west in four aerial strikes of the “Saifullah” (The Sword of Allah….the same sword that appears on the Saudi flag). It nearly succeeded.

The hard truth is that we are in an ISLAMIC WORLD WAR. Yes….an ISLAMIC WORLD WAR. Let’s look at the FACTS:

Islam against the:
- Catholics in the Philippines
- Christians in Indonesia & Malaysia
- Buddhists in Thailand
- Hindus in India
- Zoroastrians in Iran
- Chaldean Christians in Iraq
- Jews in Israel (and everywhere else they live)
- Coptic Christians in Egypt
- animists & Christians in the Sudan
- Jews in Yemen
- Christians in Nigeria
- athiests in Europe
- schoolchildren in Beslan Russia
- train commuters in Spain
- tube commuters in London
- office workers in New York (twice!)
- Defense workers at the Pentagon
- Jewish centers in Buenas Aries, Caracas, Mumbai, Toronto & Seattle
- Christian schoolgirls in Indonesia (beheaded)
- Journalists like Daniel Pearl (decapitated)
- Nicholas Berg, Jack Hensley, Eugene Armstrong, Piotr Stanczak, Kim Sun-Il (beheaded)
- Cinematographers like Theo Van Gogh (slaughtered in broad daylight on the streets of Amsterdam)
- Jews in Saudi Arabia (exterminated by Muhammeds genocide)
- Jews in Yemen (soon to be exterminated after living there for over 2,000 years)
- infidel Korean tourists in Yemen (blown up)
- infidel Australian tourists in Bali (blown up, twice)
- Jewish cafe patrons in Israel(blown up repeatedly)
- women (subjugated, oppressed, beaten, sexually mutilated, honor killed, acid attacked)
- gays (routinely lynched & murdered)

Just a few misguided misunderstanders of Islam hijacking a noble religion of peace? NO.

This started in 622 AD when Muhammed left Mecca for Medina, and began his campaign of terror, slaughter, enslavement, rape, looting and subjugation, and has been burning non-stop ever since. The much maligned “Crusades” should be more appropriately called the “ANTI-CRUSADES”, because it was Europe who was being invaded by the marauding Islamic armies first, not the other way around. Ask the Sikhs and Hindus of India about their centuries old fight against Islam. Ever wonder why the great Cathedral of St. Sophia is now a mosque?

This is not us against them, and never has been. This is Dar al-Islam against Dar al-Harb (the ‘infidel’ world) in an Allah inspired, Qur’an sanctioned, Muhammed mandated ‘holy war’ of Islamic supremacy.

The ISLAMIC WORLD WAR. Let’s start calling it what it really is.

~ The Infidel Alliance

Nov 12, 2009 - 4:35 am 180. The Infidel Alliance:

“WHO ‘RADICALIZED’ AMERICAN MUSLIM MAJOR NIDAL MALIK HASSAN?”

With the massacre and wounding of scores of Americans at Ft. Hood by an American born Muslim Army officer, pundits and analysts were scratching their heads, asking “Why did he do it?”. First it was assumed he simply snapped, the victim of some sort of imaginary pathology understood as ‘Evil-American-Hegemonic-Pre-Post-Traumatic-Stress-Disorder-Through-Osmosis’.

As evidence mounted about his sympathies for and connections to ‘radical’ Islam, however, this absurd notion faded away and the question changed. Now the pundits and analysts are scratching their heads again, this time asking “Who ‘radicalized’ Major Nidal Malik Hassan?”.

The answer seems to demand a broad and deep investigation. Was it the at the local mosque? Was it a nerfarious network of overseas Islamists? Perhaps he was brainwashed by al Qaeda, groomed and inserted into the Army as a sleeper cell. All possibilities I suppose, but the truth is actually much more simple. It is the 800 pound gorilla in the room that everyone knows is there but simply refuses to recognize. Major Hassan was ‘radicalized’ by the same person who radicalized Osama bin Laden, Mohammed Atta, Ayman al Zawahiri, Richard ‘the shoe bomber’ Reid, and every other Islamic terrorist.

The man who ‘radicalized’ Major Hassan was none other than the archetypal Islamic terrorist, the founder of Islam himself: MUHAMMED.

Every Muslim must profess the Shahadah which proclaims ““There is no god but God, and Muhammad is the Messenger of God”. In the Qur’an (33:21), Allah fetes Muhammed as “an excellent model of conduct”, whom Muslims consider “al-insan al-kamil”, the perfect man. But was the prophet of Islam a perfect man, worthy of worship and emulation?

The hard truth, recorded for history in Islamic source texts, is that Muhammed was a sadistic sociopath, a serial murderer, a looter & thief, a torturer, an amputator, a decapitator, a mutilator, a rapist, a sex slaver, a misogynist, a sexual deviant, a paedophile rapist, a slaver, a human trafficker, a genocidist and self proclaimed terrorist motivated by unquenchable sexual lust, material greed, violence and power. Objectively, far from being a ‘holy prophet’, Muhammed was one of the most vile men in the pantheon of human history. He was simply a successful Charles Manson who should be reviled, not revered, and should have been incarcerated, not venerated.

This creates within Islam an incurable pathology, a deadly “Catch-22″. The sadistic barbarity of Islams’ prophet set the standard for all Muslims, yet Muhammeds examples and mandates cannot be reconciled with the values of modern humanity. Peaceful Muslims, whom we all know, are actually Islamic apostates because they reject the violent teachings and mandates of Muhammed. According to Islamic Sharia law, apostates of Islam must be killed. Thus, when peaceful Muslims are forced to reconcile the violence and hatred demanded by Muhammed with the modern world, they MUST embrace violent Jihad as Major Hassan did, or else face their own death fatwa.

Ultimately, all Muslims must one day actively choose to either accept or reject Muhammed, his violence, his hatred and his Islamic Jihad. We know which choice American Muslim Major Nidal Malik Hasan made.

~ The Infidel Alliance

Nov 12, 2009 - 4:50 am 181. Mr. Independant:

Thiagan,

Actually the charge I made is not baseless. The substance of your argument is that you believe 99.9% of terrorism is cause by Islam; that’s false. Using the figures of a conservative source (http://www.quadrant.org.au/blogs/muehlenberg/2008/12/mumbai-and-islamic-terrorism), there have been at least 12,000 acts of terrorism committed by Islamic terrorists since 9/11/01. Contrast that with the fact that there have over 5,000 acts of narco-terrorism in Mexico just in 2008 (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7772771.stm). And that’s just one country in one year.

Additionally you did not answer my comment comparing the Bible to the Koran. The Bible includes both the OT and the NT. Your opinion that the OT is not longer relevant is just your opinion. BTW, 1Timothy 1:18-20 is in the NT. I also noticed that you’ve started to mimic ETAB by changing the qualifier of your comments. Specifically, you’ve changed your opinion to include the qualifier now or at present. Doing so not only undermines you credibility but also you position. If the past actions of Christians are no longer relevant and the same should also be true of Muslims.

Yes post #136 is relevant (I didn’t say it wasn’t) in that it reads like something the Taliban would advocate. That was my point.
In answer to your question “Name one Muslim country (there are sixty or so) that practices secularism”, have you ever heard of Turkey. And almost every democratic country on the planet has at some point failed to treat their minorities with ‘equity and fairness’, the US included.

Also, I’d like to point out that it has been my experience that individuals on this site resort to childish personal attacks when their positions are disproven. Is that the case with you? You’ll notice that I don’t engage in personal attacks against posters and I make it a point to criticize those who do.

Finally I’d like to remind you once again that the problem with terrorism is NOT religion, it’s the terrorists.

Nov 12, 2009 - 7:17 am 182. Mr. Independant:

The Infidel Alliance,

To begin, the comments from your posts are only your opinion. Anyone can claim that their faith advocates or condones violence against non-believers. The English, French, Portuguese, and the Spanish did so to the Native Americans. More recently the Christian terrorist organization the KKK used the Bible as justification for their acts of violence. Even more recently, the IRA has done the same. And various versus from the Bible advocate violence against non-believers (Deuteronomy 20:10-17, 1Samuel 15:2-3, 2Kings 10:6-7, and 1 Timothy 1:18-20). Its very convenient for you to state that when an Islamic terrorist organization commits acts of terrorism that it’s the fault of Islam and then state that when a Christian terrorist organization does the same it’s not the fault of Christianity. I happen to believe that neither faith causes terrorism.

Additionally I’ve noticed that your posts include grammatical errors that are identical to ones posted by other commenter’s. Are you just cutting and pasting someone else’s opinion? It looks that way to me. If that’s the case, I would suggest you actually read the Koran and the Bible, that way you will know what you’re talking about.

Finally, I think it’s important to remind everyone the cause of terrorism is NOT religion but terrorist.

Nov 12, 2009 - 7:46 am 183. ando:

In certain muslim societies young 9 year girls first menstual blood is given as a gift to the older husbands. It is said that blood cloth is worn around the husband penis for 3 days prior to the marriage to bear him strong children. It is believed the holy prophet Mohammed did this custom back then with Aisha his 6 year old bride.

http://www.FaithFreedom.org
http://www.TheThirdJihad.com
http://www.TheReligionOfPeace.com

Nov 12, 2009 - 12:00 pm 184. rih:

Atrocities committed by Christians against natives in America long ago or by some individuals now don’t have religious justification in Bible. Koran clearly orders murder of infidels (prophetofdoom.net, faithfreedom.org, thereligionofpeace.com, jihadwatch.org, etc.) and describes in minute details extermination of Jews. In OT command to eliminate Canaanites who brought their children as sacrifice (which BTW is continued by so-called Palestinians) was one time command. In the rest of OT Jews are instructed to love strangers because they were slaves in Egypt. Any attempts to treat Islam as religion similar to Chr or Judaism are disingenuous. Clearly, Islam is ideology of Arab supremacism. Arrival Muslims in any country means destruction and upheaval. Only Moslems immigrants are problem in Europe, US and Canada. Other immigrants from Asia, Africa, Europe just want to make better living.

Nov 12, 2009 - 12:00 pm 185. Mr. Independant:

ando,

I noticed that you didn’t cite any particular Surah from the Koran to justify your comments. If you’re going to insinuate that any particular religion is responsible for violence, prove it. Anyone on any website can make up anything they want. It’s one thing to cite a credible source to support your opinion but you’re not doing that. All you did was post a link to a personal website. That’s not proof. If you want to know what’s written in the Koran, then read it. Otherwise your just letting yourself be duped by someone else’s opinion.

Nov 12, 2009 - 12:45 pm 186. Mr. Independant:

rih,

To begin, your first comment is absolutely right. The Bible does not condone violence but several Christian terrorist organizations have claimed that it does. As I stated earlier, the Bible and the Koran have both been used by terrorists of various kinds to justify their violence. The point I’ve been making is that just because the KKK, IRA, Al-Qaeda, or any other group claim their religion condones terrorism, doesn’t make it so.

Additionally the comments you made about the OT are false. Could you point out where exactly in the Bible the following verses: Deuteronomy 20:10-17, 1Samuel 15:2-3, and 2Kings 10:6-7 are stipulated to be “one time command” only. And if the OT states that you “are instructed to love strangers because they were slaves in Egypt” why do you seem to fall so short of that command.

Also it’s not disingenuous to compare Islam to Christianity or Judaism. They are all called Abrahamic faiths for a reason; even though they all have different views about their faiths, they all worship the same GOD. And if “Only Moslems immigrants are problem in Europe, US and Canada. Other immigrants from Asia, Africa, Europe just want to make better living.” Why didn’t you provide any proof to back up your claim? If it’s so obvious to you, it should be easy to find credible proof.

Finally, I noticed that you cited several websites to back up your opinion but you didn’t cite a single Surah from the Koran. Try to understand that anyone can write anything they want on those websites. As I wrote in a previous post, if you want to know what is written in the Koran then read it. Otherwise you’re just letting yourself be duped by someone else’s opinion.

Nov 12, 2009 - 1:15 pm 187. The Infidel Alliance:

Dear Mr. Independent,

Here are your citations….direct quotes from Allah, immutable and unalterable, as ‘revealed’ by the sociopath prophet Muhammed.

And, as a pious Islamist , these are also “Good American” Muslim Major Nidal Malik Hasan’s inspiration and justification for slaughtering infidels:

Qur’an (2:216) – “Fighting is prescribed for you (Muslims/Islamists), and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.”

Qur’an (3:151) – “Soon shall we (Muslims/Islamists) cast terror into the hearts of the unbelievers”

Qur’an (4:76) – “Those who believe (Muslims/Islamists) fight in the cause of Allah”

Qur’an (8:12) – “I (Allah or Muhammed?) will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore (Muslims/Islamists) strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them (infidels)”

Qur’an (9:5) – “So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush..”

Bukhari (52:256) – The Prophet (Muhammed) was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, “They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans).” (justification for killing women & children)

Muslim (1:33) – the Messenger of Allah (Muhammed) said: “I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah”

Bukhari (8:387) – Allah’s Apostle (Muhammed) said, “I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah’”

Bukhari (52:220) – Allah’s Apostle (Muhammed) said “I have been made victorious with terror”

Qur’an (9:123): “O you who believe (Muslims/Islamists), FIGHT those INFIDELS who dwell around you, and let them find harshness in you!”

Since the Qur’an is the direct, unalterable, immutable word of Allah to which all Muslim/Islamists must submit, what is the modern ‘peaceful’ or ‘moderate’ Muslim going to do when faced with these commands?

Reject Muhammed and Allah’s mandate for Jihad, and become an apostate? Or kill?

FACT: American Muslim/Islamist Major Nidal Hassan chose the path of JIHAD.

FACT: American Muslim/Islamist Major Nidal Hassan chose to KILL INFIDELS.

FACT: Killing ‘INFIDELS’ is the duty of every Muslim/Islamist – Allah and Muhammed command it.

It’s right there in black & white, recorded in the Islamic source texts for all the world to discover.

~The Infidel Alliance

Nov 12, 2009 - 2:59 pm 188. California-Dreamin:

To all those who are arguing whether Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are equally violent, see this article from the same author: http://www.meforum.org/2159/are-judaism-and-christianity-as-violent-as-islam

Nov 12, 2009 - 3:12 pm 189. The Infidel Alliance:

Dear “Mr. Independant”,

The things I cited in my previous posts are not my ‘opinions’, they are truths and facts.

And, I think we can all agree truthfully and factually that killing, enslaving human beings, human trafficking, sex trafficking, rape, robbery, mutilation, amputation, torture, decapitation, paedophile rape with a little 9 year old girl, and genocide are all the most vile, repulsive, objectionable acts that any human being could commit. Right?

Did Jesus Christ (the ‘Christ’ of ‘Christ’ianity) ever commit ANY of those acts? NO.

Did Jesus Christ ever command his followers to commit ANY of those things? NO.

Did the Guatama Buddha ever commit any of those acts or command his followers to do any of those acts? NO.

Did Muhammed, the ‘excellent model of conduct’ for Muslims (Qur’an 33:21) and Islam’s ‘perfect man’ commit any of those acts? YES – Muhammed personally committed each and every one of those vile and contemptable acts.

Did Muhammed ever command his followers to commit any of those acts? YES – Muhammed commanded his minions to commit each and every one of those acts.

You can try to twist & wrench your moral equivalency argument any which way you’d like, but it simply does not hold water.

Islam is violent, abusive, intolerant and evil at its very core. The post Mecca teachings, examples and commands of Muhammed, which through the Islamic doctrine of abrogation constitute the final truth of Islam, simply cannot be reconciled with the values of the modern world (unless you’re a sociopath who thinks those actions of Muhammed are not evil).

“Mr. Independent”, are you going to defend the sadism and sociopathy of Muhammed as virtues to be emulated?

Are you going to deny that this is not where the pathology that afflicts Islam begins?

Are you going to deny that to reject Muhammed’s teachings, actions and mandates is not the same as rejecting Islam itself?

This is why Muslims/Islamists, like ‘Good American’ Muslim Major Nidal Hassan, MUST kill infidels or become infidel apostates themselves.

~ The Infidel Alliance

Nov 12, 2009 - 3:50 pm 190. The Infidel Alliance:

Dear “Mr. Independent”,

BTW……I have read the Qur’an. I own 2 copies, one that I bought and one that was given to me In Kuala Lumpur.

~ The Infidel Alliance

Nov 12, 2009 - 3:54 pm 191. Thiagan:

(181)

> You comparison of Al Quaida with narco terrorism is plainly childish. They do not want to dominate the world and impose shariaa.

> Turkey is the country where the fanatics of Islam killed more than 3 million Armenian Christians in 1920s. It was Khemal who banished Islam from the public space and imposed secularism. It was kept secular by the judiciary and the army till recently. Now it is the ruling AK part and Erdogan are trying to islamise and the army and the judiciary have already succumbed.

> Do Christians go about committing terror attacks quoting the verses in the OT. You pretend to sleep. I can not awake you from the pretension.

> 136 is essential and that is how Hindus are ensuring Nidal Hasans do not inflict terror atacks.

Nov 12, 2009 - 5:31 pm 192. Mr. Independant:

The Infidel Alliance,

Thank you for your response. When I debate something I make it a point to cite manuscripts and quotes specifically; so when someone tries to respond without them I become skeptical. That being said the quotes you provided in your last post is what I think any rebuttal should include. However, the substance of your position is completely flawed.

To begin, you apparently fail to understand that I’m not trying to make a moral equivalency about anything. My position has always been that religion is not the problem, terrorists are. Yes various faiths have been used by many terrorist organizations to justify their violence. That does not mean that Christianity or Islam is the cause of terrorism. The Bible and the Koran were first complied over 1,300 years ago. Both were compiled during very violent periods of human history. The Bible has many verses that are very similar to the suwar you listed in your last post. For example:

*Deuteronomy 20:11 – And it shall come about, if it agrees to make peace with you, and opens to you, then it shall be, that all the people who are found in it shall become your forced labor and shall serve you.
*2Kings 10:7 – And it came about when the letter came to them, that they took the king’s sons, and slaughtered them, seventy persons, and put their heads in baskets, and sent them to him at Jezreel.
*1Samuel 15:3 – Now go and strike Amalek and utterly destroy all that he has and do not spare him; but put to death both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.
*Luke 19:27 – But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence.
*Mathew 10:34-35 – Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth, I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.

Now I didn’t cite the versus above to imply that Christianity causes terrorism but to illustrate that because the Bible was written in a very violent time that such violence was discussed in the Bible. The same was true of the Koran.

Additionally you made a comparison that I find interesting. On a couple of occasions you compared Jesus to Muhammad; why would you make such a comparison? Correctly if I’m wrong, but nowhere in the Koran is Muhammad ever depicted as the son of GOD.

Also you asked the question “I think we can all agree truthfully and factually that killing, enslaving human beings, human trafficking, sex trafficking, rape, robbery, mutilation, amputation, torture, decapitation, paedophile rape with a little 9 year old girl, and genocide are all the most vile, repulsive, objectionable acts that any human being could commit. Right?” my answer is yes. What you seem to not understand is that the Bible and the Koran were written at a time when all of the things you listed were acceptable. That’s why both the Bible and the Koran appear to condone such actions. Both texts were written by men. Imperfect men with an imperfect understanding of GOD. Just as the KKK and the IRA do not represent the message of Christianity, Al-Qaeda does not represent the message of Islam.

Finally, I would like to remind you once again that religion is NOT the problem with terrorism, terrorists are.

Nov 12, 2009 - 6:09 pm 193. The Infidel Alliance:

Dear “Mr. Independent”,

I agree completely that the Bible & Qur’an were written in a barbaric period of human history.

But it is clear that by any objective standard, the teachings and examples of Jesus offered an revolutionary/evolutionary way of thinking out of this primitive condition, appealing to a higher, more civilized human morality.

It is also absolutley clear by any objective standard that Muhammeds teachings and examples, trapped people in that primitve condition, appealing to humanities base, animal insticts. Muhammeds actions, teachings and mandates were clearly retrograde, devolutionary and barbaric, as you yourself agreed.

The reference to the sword in Matthew 10:34-35 is clearly a metaphor. Jesus knew his ideas of peace, love (especially of your enemy), tolerance, and forgiveness were clearly so foreign to human consciousness at the time that they would undoubtedly cause strife. They would upset governments and kings, divide families still living as primitives.

But of course Jesus NEVER wielded a sword against anyone, and never FORCED anyone to accept his philosophy. The teachings of Christ were completely dependent upon free will.

Muhammed, on the other hand, DID wield an actual sword, known as “Saifullah” (The Sword of Allah). He used the Sword of Allah literally to chop and hack and mutilate and decapitate and terrorize fellow human beings into submission of his brutal ideology. That is a FACT.

Islam is based upon FORCED SUBMISSION, not FREE WILL. It cannot survive without the threat of actual corporal terror, and Muhammed knew this.

It is why Muhammed abrogated the concept of “Let there be no compulsion in religion, for truth stands out from error”, and substituted it with:

Bukhari (52:260) “The Prophet (Muhammed) said, ‘If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.’ ”

Bukhari (83:37) “Allah’s Apostle (Muhammed)never killed anyone except in one of the following three situations: (1) A person who killed somebody unjustly, was killed (in Qisas,) (2) a married person who committed illegal sexual intercourse and (3) a man who fought against Allah and His Apostle and deserted Islam and became an apostate.”

Bukhari (84:57) “In the words of Allah’s Apostle (Muhammed), ‘Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.’”

“Mr. Independent”, religion is not necessarily the problem with terrorism, but Islam IS a terrorist religion, and THAT is the problem.

~ The Infidel Alliance

Nov 12, 2009 - 7:50 pm 194. Mr. Independant:

Thiagan,

I noticed that you referred to narcos as terrorists. Does that mean that you now accept that you were wrong to state that 99.9% of terrorism is caused by Islam? And I wasn’t comparing groups like the FARC to Al-Qaeda. Groups like the FARC don’t pursue religious agendas. What I was doing is illustrating that 99.9% of all terrorism is not caused by Islam.

On Turkey you’re wrong again. AKP do not even have a majority in parliament. Even if they do gain a majority, their agendas are not reality. Also your opinion that the ‘army and judiciary has already succumbed’, is just your opinion. Can you point to any specific examples of how Turkey has become unsecularized?

And you still don’t seem to understand the concept of my position. Anyone can claim that any religion justifies their acts of terrorism. That doesn’t mean that Christianity or Islam condone terrorism. If a member of the KKK or Al-Qaeda quotes scripture while they commit acts of terrorism, they don’t speak for the faithful. If you want to blind yourself with bigotry instead of seeing the real danger of terrorism, I can’t stop you. BTW I have several friends that are Indian nationals and they never refer to themselves as ‘Hindus’ but as ‘Sanatans’. Are you really from India?

Finally post #136 is not just unessential; it’s counterproductive, undemocratic, un-American, and not welcome in my country.

Nov 12, 2009 - 8:30 pm 195. Mr. Independant:

The Infidel Alliance,

Now we’re getting somewhere. You now accept the context in which the Bible and the Koran were written. Good. You also accept that the verses of the Bible are metaphorical. Excellent. But there are a few more points that you still don’t seem to understand.

First, Muhammad was not the son of GOD. Nowhere in the Koran is it even suggested that he was. Muhammad was a prophet. So it’s inappropriate to compare Jesus to Muhammad. Now if you want to compare Muhammad to other prophets that would be appropriate. Read about the prophet Samuel, I think you’ll find him very interesting in this context.

Second, you accept that the Bible is metaphorical (I prefer the word allegorical) yet you don’t even seem to consider that the Koran could be metaphorical as well. Why not?

Third, Islam can exist without the threat of corporal terror. Otherwise how do you explain modern Turkey?

Finally, I’m pleased to read that you accept “that religion is not necessarily the problem with terrorism”. However, if you really think that Islam is a terrorist religion why aren’t 1.5 BILLION Muslims attacking the US? Could the reason be that Al-Qaeda is no different than the KKK. And if the KKK doesn’t represent Christianity then why would Al-Qaeda represent Islam?

Nov 12, 2009 - 9:06 pm 196. The Infidel Alliance:

Dear “Mr. Independant”,

I never said nor inferred that Muhammed was the “son of God.” I said he was a sadistic sociopath (and cited numerous examples why) whom Allah fetes as ‘an excellent model of conduct’ (Qur’an 33:21), and if Allah says it is so Muslims/Islamists MUST accept it as true.

I also said that Muhammed is considered to be ‘al-insan al-kamil’ or the ‘perfect man’, the role model for all Muslims/Islamists to emulate. Thus, by command of Allah, Muslims/Islamists are required to emulate a sadistic sociopath as their role model and moral compass.

No, I don’t accept that the Koran could be metaphorical because Muslims/Islamists say it is cannot be. They say it is the direct, immutable word of Allah as channeled thru his submissive evil slave Muhammed, and cannot be changed, altered or interpreted.

Regarding Turkey, it was the seat of the Islamic Ottoman Empire and was well known throughout history for its legendary brutality. Just ask the Byzantines who were invaded, conquered and subjugated by Turkish Islamists. Just ask the Christian Armenians who were slaughtered by Turkish Islamists in the most recent Islamic mass genocide in 1917.

While marginally more tolerant than other Islamic countries, ‘modern’ Turkey is STILL a brutal place that denies freedom of conscience, and has a growing Islamist movement that seeks to overthrow the ’secular’ government.

According to International Coalition for Religious Freedom:

- The Armenian community has reported harassment of churches and increasing encroachment on land held by Armenians by Muslim extremists. The government has intensified security in these areas.

- The Jewish, Armenian and Orthodox communities are in danger of losing a number of church properties because of a law which states that “extinct” properties–buildings which have had a prolonged absence of clergy or lay persons or a lack of adherents–revert to the government.

- The state must approve the operation of churches, monasteries, synagogues, schools and charitable religious foundations. Churches not recognized as minorities by the Lausanne Treaty may not acquire additional property for churches. The Catholic Church in Ankara is limited to operating on diplomatic property. In December of 1996, a pipe bomb exploded in St. Anthony’s Catholic Church in Istanbul.

- Evangelical Christians who proselytize may be arrested for disturbing the peace. If they are foreigners, they may be deported. Iraqi and Irani converts to Christianity who have fled to Turkey seeking asylum are generally deported to their home countries, where they risk reprisals.

Yes, I really think Islam is a terrorist religion. It is the ideology that creates terrorists, not the terrorist that creates the ideology (except in the case of proto-Islamic Terrorist Muhammed – he WAS the terrorist who also created the ideology).

Why aren’t 1.5 billion Muslims attacking the U.S.? Because most Muslims are just decent human beings who actually despise and reject the idea of Muhammeds hate and violence. It says so in Qur’an (2:216) – “Fighting is prescribed for you, AND YE DISLIKE IT. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.”

The peaceful Muslims who reject Muhammeds call to hatred, violence and Islamic Jihad are actually Islamic apostates, but they cannot voice their objections or leave Islam because of the death fatwa against apostacy, which is sanctioned by all 4 schools of Islamic jurisprudence. Even in Turkey.

“Mr. Independant”, please ask any Muslim if they are free to change their religion or reject all religions and become an athiest. The answer is NO. To do so is to write their own death sentence, the ultimate corporal punishment.

Finally, your assertion that that “religion (ie:Islam) is NOT the problem with terrorism, terrorists are” is patently absurd. That is like saying “NAZIsm is not the problem with Gas Chamber Holocausts, NAZI’s are”.

What do you think made Germans become NAZI’s ….Buddhism? NO. It was NAZIsm.

“Mr. Independant” some ideologies are simply evil. NAZIsm was. Islam is.

~ The Infidel Alliance

Nov 13, 2009 - 1:11 pm 197. Mr. Independant:

The Infidel Alliance,

On your first point, why then have you regularly compared Jesus to Muhammad? I asked you in my last post what you thought about his comparison to Samuel, any thoughts?

Your second point is the interpretation of some. Not everyone and in my opinion, not even most. Otherwise, why aren’t 1.5 BILLION Muslims attacking you and me?

Your third point that you and others believe the Koran is not metaphorical, is your opinion. There are many who say that about the Bible is. So does that mean that you now accept that you are wrong on this point?

Your fourth point about Turkey is also true about the Roman Empire. The term Byzantine Empire is actually a term that was coined by a German historian centuries after the fall of Constantinople. How is medieval history relevant to modern Turkey?

Your fifth point is very disingenuous. The government is equitability harsh to all faiths on their restrictions of religion. Why didn’t your state the restrictions that are placed on the Islamic faith?

On my question why 1.5 BILLION Muslims are not attacking the US. if you accept that most Muslims are decent human beings who actually despise and reject the idea of hate and violence ;doesn’t that undermine your entire position?

Your sixth point is true in most Muslim countries but only because most Muslims do not live in democracies. In this country Muslim can leave the faith if they want.
On your question if I’ve ever asked any Muslim if they can leave the faith, my answer is yes. And their answer was yes.

Your seventh point about my assertion, then how do you explain terrorist organizations like the FARC? If religion is the problem with terrorism, then there should be no non-religious terrorism right? But there is and it accounts for the majority of all current terrorism.

Your final point actually proves mine. The Nazi’s never claimed to be working on the behalf of any religion.

Some ideologies are evil. Islam isn’t one of those.

Nov 13, 2009 - 6:58 pm 198. The Infidel Alliance:

Dear “Mr. Islamist”….er, I mean “Mr. Independant”,

Look, we are not discussing “Samuelism” or “Samuelist Suicide Terrorists”.

The comparison of Jesus and Muhammed is necessary to establish an agreed upon standard of morality and immorality (non-murderer vs murderer, non-rapist vs rapist, etc), and because these two men were the founders of their respective ideologies.

Let’s get back to the point and keep this simple:
1) All Muslims proclaim the Shahadah “There is no God but God and Muhammed is his messenger”
2) The Qur’an is considered by all Islamic authorities to be the literal word of Allah spewed from the mouth of his puppet, Muhammed.
3) Allah said in the Qur’an that his evil puppet Muhammed was ‘an excellent model of conduct’.
4) Muhammeds ‘excellent conduct’ included mass murder, looting & thievery, torture, amputatation, decapitation, terrorism, mutilation, rape, sex slavery, lying, misogyny, sexual perversion, a paedophile rape, slavery, human trafficking, and genocide.
5) Thus, Allah commanded his army of terrorized lemmings to model their conduct after a sadistic criminal sociopath.
6) Allah also commanded his army of terrorized lemmings to fight infidels (“Jihad”) (Qur’an 9:123) until they testify that there is no god but Allahand that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. (In other words fight infidels and forcibly convert them to Islam through Jihadist ‘holy’ war)
7) Allah’s evil puppet and his terrorized army of lemmings proceeded to apply Muhammeds standard of sociopathic ‘morality’ upon infidels in Arabia, then North Africa, Spain, Judea, the Middle East, Eastern Europe, Persia, India, and Southeast Asia using the ‘Saifullah’ (Sword of Allah).
Islamic Jihad has been raging non-stop for 1,400 years.
9) Islamic Jihad is currently being waged in every continent except Antarctica.
10) Islamic Jihad is currently being waged against everyone who is not an Islamist. (Buddists, Hindus, Jews, Baha’i, Jews, Catholic Christians, Protestant Christians, Jews, Chaldean Christians, Orthodox Christians, Coptic Christians, Jews, athiests, animists,pagans. And did I mention Jews?)
11) Islamist Osama Bin Laden cited Allah, Muhammed and the Qur’an as justification for his slaughter.
12) Islamist Mohammed Taheri-Azar cited Allah, Muhammed and the Qur’an as justification for running down infidels with his SUV at the University of N. Carolina.
13) Islamist ‘Good American Muslim’ Major Nidal Hassan cited Allah, Muhammed and the Qur’an as justification for his slaughter.
14) Islamists blew up the Buddhas of Bamiyan
15) Islamists blew up cafe patrons in Bali (twice)
16) Islamists blew up train commuters in Spain
17) Islamists blew up tube commuters in London
18) Islamists decapitated Daniel Pearl (same Islamist who masterminded 9/11)
19) Islamists decapitated Nick Berg, numerous Thai Buddhist villagers
20) Islamists amputate hands & feet of petty criminals in Somalia
21) Islamists issue death fatwa on novelist Salman Rushdie
22) Islamists issue death fatwa against Geert Wilders
23…..and on and on and on…….

But you’re right ‘Mr. Independant”…I’m just an irrational ignorant Islamophobe….how could I be so stupid to think anything I’ve written has anything to do with Islam…….none of the above has anything to do with Islam.

Muhammed was not a sadistic sociopath.
The Jews of Arabia were ‘invited’ to Islam.
Europe was ‘invited’ to Islam, not invaded.
Spain was ‘invited’ to Islam, not invaded.
India was ‘invited to Islam’, not invaded.
Persia was ‘invited’ to Islam, not invaded.
Polish King Sobieski should be tried as a war criminal for killing all those innocent Islamists in Vienna back in 1683.
Islam is not violent.
Islam is not evil.
Islam is a religion of peace! Items #1 – #23 are expressions of peace.

I understand now.

~ The Infidel Submissive….er…I mean The Infidel Alliance

Nov 14, 2009 - 2:03 am 199. The Infidel Alliance:

In trying to understand Islam, one must start with its ‘holy’ prophet Muhammed, and understand that he was a truly sick and twisted individual, a true sociopath.

All Islamic pathologies – murder, torture, beheading, amputation, mutilation, rape, paedophilia, sexual deviance, slavery, misogyny, brutality, hatred, genocide, terror start with Muhammed.

But don’t believe me. Do your own research. The truth is easy to discover.

Muhammed. Pure evil.

Any Islamists care to defend your barbarian prince?

~ The Infidel Alliance

Nov 14, 2009 - 4:52 am 200. Mr. Independant:

The Infidel Alliance,

I’ve noticed on this site that when I disprove someone’s opinion using their own posts they tend to respond with childish attacks. Is that the case with you? You’ll notice that I never engage in personal attacks. BTW I’m actually a Buddhist not a Muslim. Putting everything else aside, that fact alone gives me a degree of independent creditability to understand these concepts. Something you don’t appear to have. Otherwise, why engage in personal attacks? Now on your last post:

I noticed that you didn’t answer my question comparing Muhammad and Samuel. Was that an oversight? The point of the question was to illustrate that both prophets were men. Men who were imperfect. Men who are not a GOD. A better comparison to Muhammad would be Samuel or Abraham. Do you know if the Bible states if they engaged in murder, looting & thievery, torture, amputatation, decapitation, terrorism, mutilation, rape, sex slavery, lying, misogyny, sexual perversion, a paedophile rape, slavery, human trafficking? If you don’t know the answer to that, I suggest you read Genesis. Additionally both Christians and Muslims have engaged in genocide. That’s not the fault of their faith but of the men committing the genocide.

Now it’s your opinion that the Koran is considered by ALL Islamic ‘authorities’ (I noticed you didn’t cite any) to be the literal word of GOD, but that is just your opinion. Even if that statement is true, the Koran was written by imperfect men, with an imperfect understanding of GOD. BTW when you quote the Koran don’t tell me “in other words”. Write the actual quote. Now the Bible is considered by the Pope to be the literal word of GOD. If you disagree with him on if the Bible is metaphorical or not, why is it so hard for you to understand that the Koran is metaphorical as well?

Furthermore, every single instance that you can point to of Islamic-terrorism I can point to examples of Christian-terrorism. The KKK has long history of terrorism in the US.

Finally, to bring this discussion back to the original point I’ll repeat that religion is NOT the problem with terrorism, terrorists are. And I’ll end this post back asking you a very simple question. In post #196 you stated “most Muslims are just decent human beings who actually despise and reject the idea of hate and violence”. If you believe that, why is it more important for you to blame 1.5 BILLION peaceful Muslims rather than confront the actual terrorists?

Nov 14, 2009 - 10:27 am 201. The Infidel Alliance:

Dear “Mr. Independant”,

1) You didn’t disprove anything. You did prove your ability to dodge and deflect.

2) Quit your whining you thin skinned sissy. It doesn’t matter if you are a Buddhist as you claim. You are clearly an Islamist sympathyzer and apologist.

3)I did answer your irrelevant question of “Samuel”. Samuel doesn’t matter in this discussion. He wasn’t the founder of Christianity, Buddhism or Islam. Jesus, Guatama Buddha & Muhammed were, not Samuel.

4)Muhammed was more than “imperfect”…..he was an evil sadistic sociopath. Do you not think Muhammed

5) Jesus did not commit any genocide. Ever. Muhammed did.

6)Any “genocide” committed by “Christians” was done in contravention to the teachings & life examples of Christ.

7) Genocide committed by Islamists is done in accordance with the teachngs, mandates & life examples of Muhammed.

All Islamic Authorities: Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi’i, Hanbali, Ja’fari.

9) The KKK was a criminal white supremecist organization, not a Christian organization. Show me a single instance where Jesus Christ sanctioned racism & lynching.

10) I am not blaming 1.5 billion Muslims.

11) I am blaming the actual terrorist.

12) The actual terrorist is Muhammed.

13) Every Islamic terrorist traces his/her roots, inspiration, justification directly back to Muhammed.

“Mr. Independant”, quit playing dodgeball. Your turn to answer my question:

Were the actions of Muhammed examples of higher human morality (as the actions of Jesus were) or were they examples of an evil sadistic sociopath?

~The Infidel Alliance

Nov 14, 2009 - 3:39 pm 202. The Infidel Alliance:

“Mr. Independant”,

A final thought:

You repeat ad nauseum your wishful thinking that “religion is NOT the problem with terrorism, terrorists are”.

The obvious truth that we all understand, except you, is that:

Islam is a religion founded on terrorism, with a terrorist prophet who teaches terrorism and demands his followers become terrorists too. Islam is the problem with terrorism because it produces terrorists.

~The Infidel Alliance

Nov 14, 2009 - 3:46 pm 203. Mr. Independant:

The Infidel Alliance,

I noticed you didn’t say specifically what I dodged and deflected. What that an oversight? I also noticed that you still don’t seem to understand the concept of my position. I’m not sympathizing or criticizing any faith. Not Christianity or Islam. I’m simply illustrating that your position (which has changed since your original post) that Islam is a terrorist religion is false. I’m proving that by pointing out that the justifications that you believe make Islam a terrorist religion (the metaphorical suwar in the Koran) all exist in Christianity (in the metaphorical versus of the Bible). So if you do not believe Christianity is a Terrorist religion then Islam can’t either. Now on to your points:

The prophet Samuel is in fact relevant to this discussion but since you want to concentrate on the founders of religion, why didn’t you answer my question concerning Abraham? He is considered the founder of Judaism and by extension Christianity. I guess you didn’t read the book of Genesis did you? Well let’s take this a step further. Genesis 19:24-28 states “Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven; And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground.” Now while I know the verse is metaphorical, under your understanding of religious texts this was not just terrorism but genocide committed by the founder of Christianity.

Just as genocide committed by ‘Christians’ is in direct contradiction to the teachings of Christianity, any genocide committed by ‘Muslims’ is in direct contradiction to the teachings of Islam.

The KKK was a terrorist organization as defined by current US law and common sense. The members of the KKK did and continue to define their organization as a Christian organization. The point being that both the KKK and Al-Qaeda twist religion to justify their acts of terrorism.

Earlier in this post I mentioned how you position has changed since your original post. Beginning with post#179 but specifically with post #180 you stated “Thus, when peaceful Muslims are forced to reconcile the violence and hatred demanded by Muhammad with the modern world, they MUST embrace violent Jihad as Major Hassan did, or else face their own death fatwa.” In post #187 you stated “FACT: Killing ‘INFIDELS’ is the duty of every Muslim/Islamist – Allah and Muhammad command it.” You were clearly blaming all Muslims. Then in post #189 you stated “Islam is violent, abusive, intolerant and evil at its very core.” Clearly changing your position to blame the Islam itself and you all Muslims. That’s an improvement especially, since in post #196 you stated “most Muslims are just decent human beings who actually despise and reject the idea hate and violence.” Then in your last post you finally decided to stop blaming 1.5 Billion Muslims. Unfortunately, now you want to blame a man who has been dead for centuries instead of Al-Qaeda. I wonder if you’re man enough to tell that to any of the victims of Al-Qaeda. I don’t propose that as an insult but if you can’t don’t that you’re not been honest. BTW do you really not blame all Muslims or are you just writing that because my posts make that position look silly?

As I suggested earlier, if you feel I’m not answering a specific question of yours state specifically what that question is. Otherwise you’re just being dishonest with your comment that I’m evading your questions, which I’m not.

Your question of comparison between Jesus and Muhammad is disingenuous. Muhammad was an imperfect man. Jesus was perfect and without sin. We all fall short of that. However, if I were to compare Muhammad with contemporary leaders of the time he would not be very different from them. Take for example the Roman Emperor Flavius Heraclius. Or if you prefer prophets, Abraham (according to Genesis) would have found Muhammad a kindred spirit.

Normally I would end this post by reminding you of the real problem that this country faces with terrorism but instead I’m going to try something different. I can tell from you writings that somebody hurt you or loved one and I honestly feel sorrow for your loss. But hating others who are different is not going to make that wrong right. In my faith we have a saying Namaste. It means, I honor the divinity in you that also resides in me. Tonight I’m going to pray for you that one day you may let go or your hate of Muslims and learn to honor the divinity of those peaceful people as well. Namaste.

Nov 14, 2009 - 7:40 pm 204. The Infidel Alliance:

“Mr. Independant”,

Again…..quit your silly game of dodgeball, your pathetic psychoanalysis, and answer my question.

I’ll ask it once more…..objectively, without comparison to anyone else:

Were the actions of Muhammed examples of higher human morality (as the actions of Jesus were) or were they examples of an evil sadistic sociopath?

~The Infidel Alliance

P.S. – Peaceful Muslims are among the biggist victims of Islam. My comments are directed entirely towards Muhammed, his evil ideology and how this hurts peaceful Muslims and infidels alike. I have never expressed hatred for Muslims. I work with Muslims, have Muslim friends, have spent a lot of time in many Islamic countries. How dare you accuse me of hating Muslims.

Nov 14, 2009 - 9:08 pm 205. Historyscoper:

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Nov 15, 2009 - 6:14 pm 206. Mr. Independant:

The Infidel Alliance,

Once again I’m not dogging any questions. As I stated in my last post, if you feel that I am, then state specifically what question you feel that I’m evading. For the record I make it a point to refute point for point specific items from your posts that I disagree with and don’t dodge questions.

Now you stated in your last post that you were not going to compare an imperfect human being with Jesus Christ (who is a perfect being). Yet your very next comment did just that. You’ve been very disingenuous with that statement and ‘question’. However, in the interest of progressing this dialogue I’ll answer that question again. If Muhammad were alive today and were to engage in all of the actions that are metaphorically described in the Koran, then yes I would describe him as sadistic. It should be noted (as I posted earlier), that I would also have to describe the actions of Abraham and Muhammad’s contemporary rivals (like Emperor Heraclius) as the same. Furthermore labeling him evil and sadistic would be inappropriate since his actions were not for his benefit.

Despite all of those errors on your part there is one area that you should be very proud of. The evolution of your position has apparently made clear to you that Muslims are in fact the biggest victims of islamic-terrorism. The only final correction I would make is to point out that I never accused you of anything. I pointed out YOUR statements to you and illustrated why they are wrong and my hope that they will change.

Finally, I’d like to close this post by asking you; why is it more important for you to blame a long dead prophet, then to blame the actual terrorists that are responsible for the violence of today?

Nov 16, 2009 - 11:16 am 207. The Infidel Alliance:

Dear “Mr. Independant”,

Which is it??? Sadist or not? You’re playing dodgeball again. You say:

“If Muhammad were alive today and were to engage in all of the actions that are metaphorically described in the Koran, then YES I WOULD DESCRIBE HIM AS SADISTIC.”

Followed by:

“Furthermore LABELING HIM evil and SADISTIC WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE since his actions were not for his benefit.”

So…Muhammed is a sadist, but it is inappropriate to call him a sadist. Brilliant!
This is the logic of an Islamist apologist and Islamist sympathyzer.(yes…I’m talking about you)

And are you serious when you say “his (Muhammeds) actions were not for his benefit”??
Everything Muhammed dis was for his benefit first and foremost. He was obsessed with stealing booty and getting booty, and obsessed with himself. Like most twisted sociopaths, Muhammed was a classic narcissist whose primary interest was himself.

Prime examples are when he and his marauders were terrorizing trade caravans, Muhammed got a greater share of the booty than his henchmen. And, of course, “the Prophet” could have 12 wives, but his inferiors submissive followers could only have 4. If you didn’t submit to Muhammed and his evil creed, you got killed or subjugated.

“Mr. Independant”, you need to do a better job reading what I write. I didn’t say Muslims are the biggest victims of “Islamic-terror”, I said they are the biggest victims of ISLAM, and that is what I meant.

Islam is the terrorist creed founded by the terrorist Muhammed, that has been terrorizing ‘infidel’ and ‘peaceful Muslims’ for 1,400 years, and will continue to terrorize ‘infidels’ and ‘peaceful Muslims’.

Islam the religion/spiritual philosophy/social system/political system is evil, violent & sadistic at it’s core, as was Muhammed……which is why true followers of Islam, by extension true followers of Muhammed, are evil, violent & sadistic (like “Good American” Muslim Dr. Major Nidal Hassan, Ayman al-Zawahiri, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Osama bin Laden, Richard ’shoe-bomber’ Reid, Mohammed Atta, and on, and on, and on…..).

~The Infidel Alliance

Nov 16, 2009 - 2:44 pm 208. The Infidel Alliance:

And to be crystal clear, “it is important to blame a long dead prophet, then to blame the actual terrorists” because the ‘long dead prophet’ is the inspiriation for, and provides the justification for todays ‘actual’ terrorists.

It is exactly in the same way the Manson Family of terrorists found inspiration and justification for their terror in their ‘prophet’ Charles Manson.

Clear???

~ The Infidel Alliance

Nov 16, 2009 - 2:50 pm 209. Mr. Independant:

The Infidel Alliance,

And you were making such progress. First you stopped overtly blaming all Muslims, then you stopped subtly blaming all Muslims, and you almost stopped hating Muslims…but not quite. What a pity.

I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt though, since I did make a grammatical error in my last post which I’ll correct now. Correction: Post #206 Should have read “If Muhammad were alive today and were to engage in all of the actions that are metaphorically described in the Koran, then yes I would describe him as sadistic. It should be noted (as I posted earlier), that I would also have to describe the actions of Abraham and Muhammad’s contemporary rivals (like Emperor Heraclius) as the same. Furthermore labeling him evil or a sociopath would be inappropriate since his actions were not for his benefit.“

Once again I’m not sympathizing with Christian or Islamic terrorism. You’ll note that not once have I made any excuses for the actions of the KKK or Al-Qaeda. You can’t say that.

Ok now you’re playing dodge ball. The establishment of a moral code that emphasizes caring for those less fortunate is certainly not for a single person’s benefit. And if you’re claiming that the Koran proves that Muhammad was interested only in himself you should be able to cite at least 58 suwar to prove it. I’ll be waiting for those quotes BTW.

Having multiple wives was a cultural norm of the time. One that predated Muhammad. In the Bible Solomon had quite a few wives. In the Bible if you didn’t submit to ‘God’s will’ you were killed as well. In both cases I believe the stories are metaphorical. But we’ve already been over that. TIA, YOU need to do a better job of reading my posts. I never wrote that you stated “Muslims are the biggest victims of “Islamic-terror”. It’s interesting that after I’m undermined all of your positions you now resort to dishonesty. What a pity.

Islam like Christianity and Judaism is a religion of peace. It has been twisted by some for evil purposes but the bigger danger are individuals that want to twist it even more to use as a scapegoat for all the world’s ills. TIA if you were to take one of Hitler’s speeches to the Reichstag and replaced Jew with Muslim how much of what he said would seem perfectly normal to you?

Finally, since it’s not so clear to you; terrorists don’t need justification to commit acts of terrorism. The final comment from your last post sounds like a justification for what sounds like a hatred of Muslims.

Nov 16, 2009 - 6:56 pm 210. The Infidel Alliance:

“Mr. Independant”,

Within Islam there are only:

1) Islamists (the violent Jihadists) who embrace the violence and intolerance of Muhammed & the Koran

2) Islamist sympathyzers who do not commit outward acts of violence but facilitate the Jihad, like CAIR.

3) Islamic apostates (the ‘good peaceful Muslims’) who reject the violence and intolerance of Muhammed & the Koran, but are trapped within Islam by death fatwa.

We can see through your taqiyya and kitman. It is abundantly clear that you are an Islamist sympathyzer (#2 above).

~The Infidel Alliance

Nov 16, 2009 - 11:00 pm 211. Mr. Independant:

The Infidel Alliance,

Wow, you’ve met all of the world’s 1.5 BILLION Muslims!!! Perhaps they can help you find the (at least) 58 suwar that you suggest prove your beliefs about Muhammad. All kidding aside, if you’re done playing dodge ball, I am interested in those quotes.

Finally if can stop paying lip service to honesty, perhaps you can answer the following question:
If Muhammad really is the problem with islamic-terrorism, what is your solution?

Nov 17, 2009 - 6:34 pm 212. The Infidel Alliance:

A final thought for “Mr. Independant”:

A lot of Americans may still be naive, indeed ignorant about the real truth about Islam, Muhammed and the doctrine of Jihad. But this will not last forever. I used to believe the “Islam is a Religion of Peace” propaganda until I did my own objective research.

We are an intelligent, literate culture and, as I did, more and more of us are educating ourselves about this brutal cult and rejecting its propaganda and spin.

“Mr. Independant”, your Islamists days of playing a Muhammedan Obi Wan Kenobi are over. Don’t expect to wave your hand and think we will just accept your “Islam is not the religion you want” brainwashing.

Mr. Independant….you are now on my expose’ list. Wherever I find your Islamist support and apologetics and denial, I will counter with the undeniable truth directly from Islamic sources.

Game on.

~ The Infidel Alliance

Nov 17, 2009 - 7:08 pm 213. The Infidel Alliance:

“If Muhammad really is the problem with islamic-terrorism, what is your solution?”

My solution to Islamic terror is to destroy the ‘moral’ foundation, the big lie, upon which Islam is built.

My solution is to expose, discredit and thoroughly disgrace the ‘holy prophet’ Muhammed with his own words, deeds and actions.

My solution is to use the wrecking ball of education to knock down the walls of ignorance, taqiyya and kitman that protect Islam, and to blast Islam with the cleansing light of the truth.

Like a vampire, Islam recoils, burns and dies when it is exposed to the light of the truth.

Islam cannot withstand the truth. Islam knows this.

That is my solution. What’s yours? Group hugs and kumbaya? Islam doesn’t care about group hugs and kumbaya.

What’s your solution “Mr. Islampendant”?

~The Infidel Alliance

Nov 17, 2009 - 7:34 pm 214. Mr. Independant:

The Infidel Alliance,

I see you’re still playing dodge ball. Oh well, on to your last comments. A lot of Americans are probably uninformed about Islam. I believe most haven’t read the Koran and as such cannot make an informed opinion about that faith. I think those individuals also include you. I’ve asked you in my past few posts to provide quotes from the Koran that support your position “Everything Muhammad dis {I think you meant did} was for his benefit first and foremost”. You suggested that the majority of the Koran supports this position. That means that at least 58 suwar should support your position. So where are those quotes? I went back and read you older posts and noticed that there are grammatical errors that are identical to those posted by other posters. Are you actually reading those suwar from the Koran, or are you just cutting and pasting someone else’s opinion? I appreciate it’s easier to simply believe what you want to believe but that type of mindset comes at the expense of learning. Perhaps you should instead try researching the religion of Islam. The primary focus of that research should be the Koran. Not this website or the opinions of other posters but the actual religious text of that faith.

Now it’s been my experience on this website that when I disprove someone’s beliefs using science those individuals tend to resort to childish personal attacks. A more productive response on your part would have been to produce those quotes I’ve asked for. I’m not trying to brainwash anyone. My main point has always been that religion is NOT the problem, terrorists are. I proven that islamic-terrorism is not responsible for most terrorism, that other religions have been used to justify terrorism, and even forced you to admit that most Muslims are not terrorists but are in fact their victims.

Furthermore, I’ve pointed out repeatedly that at no time have I ever made any apologizes for terrorism or written any support for any terrorist organizations. Can you cite any comment I’ve written that disproves that? No you can’t. You on the other hand have made repeated excuses for the christian-terrorist organization the KKK.

Finally, my solution to terrorism is to use the military, intelligence, police, and the public to find and destroy terrorist organizations. It’s interesting that I’ve asked you this question before and your responses have always been to demonstrate your hatred of Muhammad and not terrorists. I’m sure that’s very comforting to Al-Qaeda.

Nov 18, 2009 - 6:55 am