57 Comments

1. tino:

The end game is for the Israelis to decide, but personally I’d love to see 15,000 dead terrorist before this is over.

Jan 16, 2009 - 7:33 am 2. claudia:

Terrorism did not exist before Israel rooted itself in the Middle East. Confiscating land, bulldozing houses, killings of Palestinian civilians & more contributed to this madness. I am convinced that if the Israelis would have behaved properly, the country would have been accepted but Israel chose violence. Do you think that Ariel Sharon was not a terrorist when he was young? What about Shimon Peres? The only reason this has been going on for years is the help of the American Zionists. They don’t care, they live in America and don’t really know what is going on in the region except some news on TV. Don’t you want REAL peace? If so why don’t you return back the land that you have stolen (even if it is painful) and you might be surprised of the outcome. Those children who witnessed the killings in Gaza will become terrorists once they grow up. It will be a continuation of the violence. You have the power to end this in peace. Please do it.

Jan 16, 2009 - 7:44 am 3. Noah Guttman:

Claudia:
I guess it’s easy to be “convinced” of things when you know nothing. Go read some history books.

Jan 16, 2009 - 8:02 am 4. Michael Canzano:

Let’s face the truth. No Arab country wanted the Palestinians. The are the pawns of Jew haters. Palestinians have contributed nothing positive to the Planet. Their only contribution is terrorism. Palestinians’ main goal in life is to die killing Jews. Hate is their religion.
Is anyone naive enough to believe upon Isreal’s demise the Arabs would live in peace ? Take the wool out.
American Christian Infidel

Jan 16, 2009 - 8:09 am 5. Michael Canzano:

Tino , you are on the money . Israel must destroy them all before they are destroyed.
What other country on the Planet would have put up with over 60000 rockets launched on their civilian population is the last 3 years ?
It is easy for the UN and other countries’ leaders to push for a cease fire as no rockets are falling on their civilians.
The UN is comprised of Anti-Semites.
American Christian Infidel

Jan 16, 2009 - 8:19 am 6. tino:

claudia:Terrorism did not exist before Israel rooted itself in the Middle East.

Islam’s First Terrorists – Clive Foss introduces the Kharijites, a radical sect from the first century of Islam based in southern Iraq and Iran, who adopted an extreme interpretation of the Koran, ruthless tactics and opposed hereditary political leadership. After causing centuries of problems to the caliphate, they survive in a quietist form in East Africa and Oman.

I am convinced that if the Israelis would have behaved properly, the country would have been accepted but Israel chose violence.

Within minutes of the declaration of Israeli independence, Arab nations invaded Israel

Jan 16, 2009 - 8:29 am 7. tino:

One more thing, muslims have killed more than 11,000,000 muslim brothers and sisters since 1948.

You have the power to end this in peace. Please do it.

Jan 16, 2009 - 8:38 am 8. SAF:

When Obama takes the oath of office sphincter pucker will hit the majority of Israel’s decision makers and they will fail again.

The Israeli’s need to pick up a tactic from the Hamas play book: Drag on the negotiations. A cease fire now while rockets still come from Gaza will be an unmitigated disaster. The Gazans should not be spared the consequences of electing Hamas.

After the first Gulf War there was peace and quiet in the Middle East for a while. Even Arafat decided to go the negotiations route. People understand overwhelming force as well as surrender and act accordingly.

Jan 16, 2009 - 8:39 am 9. Joe Bison:

There were refugee camps in Europe following
WW2. How many WW2 refugee camps do you see
now? The people who lost everything to the
Nazis and Communists went to other countries
as soon as possible. Countries that were
alien to them in culture and language.

The Arab “refugees” are still around even
though they have commonality with all Arabs.
As long as they get food and technology from
us why should they change. Giving them stuff
doesn’t make them like us. In fact it has
the opposite effect. There is no incentive
to change or moderate.

In passing where are the Jewish refugee camps?
Many had to run for their lives from Arab
countries following 1948.

As such this siege against Israel will never
end. After a skirmish more goods and money
will flow to the refugees. Sieges take time
and this they have. They only have to break
the gate once.

Jan 16, 2009 - 8:49 am 10. Hugh:

Claudia, you’re adorable sweetheart, how old are you?

Jan 16, 2009 - 8:58 am 11. Spindok:

2. (Claudia)makes the often heard argument that Israelis are terrorists. Then the old saw that Palistinian children will grow up as terrorists. But that swings both ways doesnt it? So will Israeli children.

People who make this argument never seem to think about its logical conclusions.

Terrorist vs. terrorist. Cut and dry. I like that because it takes all of the morality out of the equation.

No need for hand wringing about who is right since both are wrong. No need to worry about history or world opinion because who cares at this point – we are terrorists now. No need to worry about who is a civilian or not since terrorists attack civilians by definition. Both are free to pursue whatever dastardly tactics they want.

There is an saying in medicine; “all bleeding stops eventually”. So it is with wars. In this case the stronger terrorists will win.

So how well are the Palestinians doing at this terrorism business for the past 60 or so years? Not so good really. They keep getting weaker and their enemies keep getting stronger. Maybe time for them to think about a career change. They arent very good at this one.

Spindok

Jan 16, 2009 - 9:19 am 12. Anton:

In the larger picture (Claudia pay attention please ) there are no such things as “Palestinians”. Palestine was a geographic description used since ancient times. Much as we would use Iowa here in the States. There was no religious or ethnic connotation associated with it until recently.

Until the end of WW1 the Turks (Ottoman Empire actually) ruled the entire land, then France and Britan cut up the area into spheres of influence and established “Mandates” a.k.a. colonies. Jews and Mohammadeans lived there together, largely at peace with one another.

The Zionist movement saw Jews buying land in the “Holy Land” (which they say as their historic homeland) often at low prices for the near-worthless scrub land that it was. They then spent years and dollars developing the land into a green and productive place. When the Brits finally gave up on the idea of reconstructing the Empire after WW2 they were still in charge of this area.

The area was to divided (at the UN’s Mandate) and some given to the Jews and the balance to the Arabs. The Arabs at that point could have easily absorbed the tiny population of people living in Palestine outside of Israel but tribalism and religious hatred prevented that. They were also too busy trying to eradicate the infant State of Isreal.

Since then the Palis have lived in “camps” that progressed from tents to five story high-rises with air-conditioning and spent thier time screaming that they want their land back. They showed how well they can run things when they got Gaza back. It went from being reasonably well-run and peaceful (not to mention the profitable greenhouse business) land straight into a chaotic hell-hole.

Jan 16, 2009 - 9:21 am 13. SAF:

11 Spindok:

You make good points.

Actually Yasir Arafat was great at terror. While his “people” lived in pig sties he amassed over $1B US and his wife lived the life of luxury in Paris. Best part is he got a Nobel prize and the undying admiration of his “people.”

He actually should have won a marketing award of some kind. The Palestinians still revere him.

There appears to be no amount of pain and suffering they will not endure in the name of wiping Israel off the face of the map. Arafat marketed this product to them.

Jan 16, 2009 - 9:27 am 14. DD:

Claudia,

Ever hear of Hebron 1929? Well before Israel was founded, there was a terrible massacre. Jews and Arabs were involved. Do you know who did what to whom?

Read about it here,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre

then come back to this forum and apologize for your slanders.

Jan 16, 2009 - 9:32 am 15. Craig:

“Terrorism did not exist before Israel rooted itself in the Middle East. Confiscating land, bulldozing houses, killings of Palestinian civilians & more contributed to this madness. I am convinced that if the Israelis would have behaved properly, the country would have been accepted but Israel chose violence.”

Are you skipping school again? Call your mother, she’s worried about you.

Jan 16, 2009 - 10:25 am 16. tino:

“Iranian Unit” Destroyed, Hamas was Suprised

The sources said most of the unit’s 100 members were killed in fighting in the Zeytun neighborhood of Gaza City.

“Hamas took a gamble. We thought, at worst Israel will come and do something from the air – something superficial. They’ll come in and go out. We never thought that we would reach the point where fear will swallow the heart and the feet will want to flee. You [Israel] are fighting like you fought in ‘48. What got into you all of a sudden?”

The operation will be over in a few days.

Jan 16, 2009 - 11:45 am 17. Marion:

Israel should go in front International tribunal to make their case and pay for all damages.
As a US citizen I am ashamed for “blind support” from Bushes administration and look forward balanced unbiased approach coming in next week.

Jan 16, 2009 - 12:14 pm 18. captbob:

Maybe, just maybe, this is not such a bad plan. Israel backs a unilaterial cease fire, gets off on the right foot with a new US administration, comes a bit closer to the Egyptians, satisfies some of the Arab states and ignores the wild claims of Hamas.

Hamas, who knows nothing about international relations or governance (only terrorism and media spin, and even those skills, while usefull, are clumsy), fails to keep the peace. Hamas has never kept any agreements. They will not keep this one.

The Israelis look reasonable, Hamas does not, and Obama gives the cover required for further actions.

I predict this will turn out to Israel’s benefit, and become a further nail in the coffin of Hamas, whose hatred, arrogance and stupidity will cause all but the truly deceived amoung us to wish the Israelis well.

Jan 16, 2009 - 12:33 pm 19. captbob:

Marion

As A Canadian citizen, I am proud of the moral clarity of the Bush administration in dealing with Hamas and supporting her democratic friend, Israel. I am also proud of the Canadian government for standing firmly with democratic values against the hatred and terrorism of Hamas.

Jan 16, 2009 - 12:40 pm 20. Vietnam Vet:

Israel should be ashamed of it’s massacre of civilians in the Warsaw Ghetto; oops, I mean Gaza!!

Jan 16, 2009 - 1:26 pm 21. thegre8_1:

Claudia you don’t know your @ss from a hole in the ground. Israel should tell civilians 48 hours to get out of Gaza and then carpetbomb the b@st@rds that are remaining.

Jan 16, 2009 - 1:42 pm 22. David P:

Gaza needs new Babysitters, Israel will pay anyone to permanently watch them forever.

Jan 16, 2009 - 2:28 pm 23. mab3oos:

yo, numb nuts comments moderator, you think you can advance your position by picking comments that suit your taste?

Well, I can assure you that this war on Gaza has created millions more of anger filled, ready to die, suicidal youth, who will make it impossible for Israel to live in peace. Even if they erase Gaza’s 1.5M from existence, there are many other millions to replace them.

Jan 16, 2009 - 3:00 pm 24. georgiebhoy:

How unusual to see open racist on these boards Cybergeezer. Why wait for the next one or do you just fantasise about killing children?

Jan 16, 2009 - 4:13 pm 25. Stephen Rittenberg:

The IDF has clearly improved since the Lebanon fiasco. However, the political leadership remains problematic. Israel should not stop until the Hamas cowards surrender unconditionally. That would be a great favor to the incoming Obama administration.

Jan 16, 2009 - 5:03 pm 26. mab3oos:

nobody said it better than Sir Gerald Kaufman, member of the British Parliament:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMGuYjt6CP8

Jan 16, 2009 - 6:16 pm 27. DAVE:

Why have the European government not been co-opted to offer unconditional support against the Palis?

Jan 16, 2009 - 6:18 pm 28. Leon:

I’m always amused by the “death of terrorists will only create more terrorists” theory. According to those people, we should just get used to terrorists and let them do what they want. Yeah that will work.

Jan 16, 2009 - 6:52 pm 29. Thomas:

This acrimonious polemic is a fake issue. All the leftist-neo Marxist now ganging up on Israel in strong alliance with the Islamist terrorists: according to their upside down Gramscian ideology terror is justified because their cause is noble.
This is an political war between conflicting world views in which yesterday murderers now morphed into pious “Human Right” advocates like this bald Commie priest thug at the UN presidency.

I bet many posters on this board express sympathy towards the 9/11 murderers and extol their magnificence;- (Israel, poverty, “root cause”, imperialism, exploitation, racism! etc.) The Vietnam Vet did not protest the Khmer Rouge genocide, the Vietnamese reeducation camps, the killing of Hmong people; for him only the Jews represent the red flag.
You are spouting off purified crap dear Vet with your idiotic comparison.
Why don’t you browse the Photo Albums describing the Dachau, Auschwitz, Mauthausen trials and pictures of the Eastern European Ghettos? Because you are an uneducated rube, that is why.

Both parties are solidly embedded in their convictions thus there is very little common ground to discuss about. The Clash of Civilization is a foretold fact, we are still in the early skirmishes but with or without Israel and the Magic N**o the war with the Islamist barbarians is unavoidable.

Jan 16, 2009 - 6:58 pm 30. fred:

claudia at #2 said:

“Terrorism did not exist before Israel rooted itself in the Middle East.”

Caught ya in a lie there. First of all, the Arabs were terrorizing and raiding the Jewish settlements in the 1890’s. There were major razzias against the Jews before WWII, during WWII, and after WWII. Islamic terror existed before the founding of the State of Israel. The Jewish settlements before the founding of the Jewish State and the attacks by four Arab nations right after this event in 1948 indicate that the Jews were guilty of violating the sacred Ummah of Islam. The Qur’an instructs Muslims that once any piece of ground is part of the Ummah, it must never be allowed to return to its prior owners or inhabitants.

Prior to the 1948 war and all the succeeding wars since Israel’s founding, the Jewish settlements had every right to be there, as they were on land that was paid for in cash to Turk landlords and local bedhouin chieftains. And these only sold the most worthless land to the Jews.

Islamic terror began when Muhammad left Mecca and went into exile in Medina (Yathrib). He only had about ten followers when he left Mecca. So, he had “Allah” cook up a good one: Allah told Muhammad that he could begin raiding the caravans, killing the men, stealing the loot, raping the women, and enslaving the women and children. I think that kind of brigandage amounts to terror, don’t you? His next targets were all the Jewish tribes in and around Yathrib, which was mainly a Jewish area. He had the Jewish men of the Qurayza put to death Einsatzgruppen style: they were forced to dig a long trench, after which completion Muhammad and his lieutenants went down the line lopping off the heads of the Jews. The jihad conquests during his career and in the centuries that followed certainly were terror and war.

claudia, take your act somewhere else where the members are stupid enough to fall for your garbage.

Jan 16, 2009 - 8:03 pm 31. fred:

True to form, the Leftists on this thread know almost nothing of history in the specifics. They have a meme that is a template that filters out fact and truth, leaving only slivers that they can use to patch into their Hegelian construct.

And it’s a fair accusation I level at them, since I did spend a decade of my life in the academic, Marxist Left. I know these people and the extent of deception they will go to.

To some of you they just appear stupid, and that’s part of it. But they are more than stupid. They are willfully ignorant, which is entirely another matter.

Hence the slanders they post about Jews and Israel. Hell is too good a place for the Communist swine.

Jan 16, 2009 - 8:08 pm 32. fred:

I wish to protest the fact that the author of this thread deleted a detailed, historically factual reply I had made to the idiotic post by “claudia” re. Islamic terror being a modern creation precipitated by the Israeli State. My response contained nothing slanderous or defamatory.

I correctly cited the origins of Islamic terror in the tactics, actions, and ambitions of Muhammad himself. What kind of discussion is this if historical fact is not allowed? Is the author of this thread afraid of the truth? If so, be brave and go on over to JihadWatch.org and maybe read some solid scholarship on the matter.

Jan 16, 2009 - 9:25 pm 33. fred:

Scroll through this thread and there are a couple of posts made that are an embarrassment, lacking any substance. Yet they remain.

Has PJM decided that tonight we are going to let the Lefty loons get away with imbecility?

Jan 16, 2009 - 9:32 pm 34. charlie:

Vietnam Vet @ 20 – said:
“Israel should be ashamed of it’s massacre of civilians in the Warsaw Ghetto; oops, I mean Gaza!!”
No, Hamas, Syria and Russia should be ashamed. Israel, you have no shame in defending your nation. The United States of America shall have no shame should we support the IDF and the nation of Israel. This land has always belonged to Israel, God gave it to the Jews and that is written in Genesis. It will always be their land, for He does not renege on promises, nor does he negotiate with terrorists nor snakes in a tree. Godspeed, IDF.

Jan 17, 2009 - 12:30 am 35. paul_unalaska:

No matter how many times I read of Israeli history (in abundance recently to better understand, fathom Jew’s RIGHT to Peace), logical, lucid comments (thank you Fred, Spindok and Tino.. as well as you other level headed folks) I’m forever taken aback by the animosity directed towards Israel.

The Palestinian people elect Hamas as leaders. Not limited to Government positions, but Hamas members present in their Police force and other ruling bodies.

Egypt, Jordan and other neighboring countries don’t want nor allow them in their country.

The billions of dollars and aid to these ingrates. All these subsidies and Gaza still looks like Juarez, Mexico..!

There’s dozens of other obvious reasons and I didn’t even touch on the atrocities bestowed upon the Israeli people.

All this, and still a vast majority of the world is siding with Gaza? In essence, siding with Hamas..?

I tell ya, if I wasn’t married I would surely volunteer my services to Israel. Albeit I’m but a Meteorologist and the locale of this conflict boasts of kind weather most days.

Nonetheless, the love for my Jewish brothers and sisters transcends time and bridges any distance. Though I’m not Jewish, we share a common duality in the right to exist and live with no fear..

Jan 17, 2009 - 12:56 am 36. Spindok:

I agree with 18 captbob.

Israel just scored a political coup by getting the US to participate in monitering the border and probably some Euros as well, something they have wanted for a long time. And its not the UN which they might have been stuck with otherwise.

From the military point of view IDF can pull back slightly into more defensive forward positions in Gaza which will allow them to respond immediately to the rockets which are sure to come. Right now I think they are running out of targets and a cease fire will give them plenty more when the rats start crawling out of the sewers.

At the same time it is now glaringly Hamas which does not care about the welfare of the Palestinians. The Gazans are mostly sick to death of them already. They dont care about capturing Haifa or Tel Aviv. They know that is a pipe dream and would just like to get on with their lives. If they have to go through this again because of more useless rocket fire which hasnt brought them anything but misery it will only make Hamas weaker.

How do you think IDF knows here the rockets are now? Cell phones. They call Palestinians and ask them. Now more of them will be willing to answer.

Hamas could have come off as great heroes of the people by switching to a humanitarian case, bravely rescuing victims, distributing food, and engaging in military defense of the population rather than offensive attacks against Israeli cities. By not participating in a cease fire they have shot themselves in the foot, as usual.

Heh, Israel learned the lessons of Lebanon but clearly Hamas failed to learn from their counterparts there who did exactly what I said above.

Hamas cant possibly claim that IDF has been defeated without all sides laughing at them. 10 IDF killed and 6 of them by friendly fire? Now they are too impotent to negotiate a deal where they could have saved some face claiming they got concessions.

Marion 17 doesnt seem to know much about whom she voted for. Obama has assembled the most pro-Israel cabinet you could possibly find in the Democratic Party. The only change he has announced so far is opening a direct line with Syria, something the Israelis have been doing already and have been asking the Bush administration to do for several years.

Spindok

Jan 17, 2009 - 6:21 am 37. barry 0351:

The Israeli’s ain’t gonna finish it and this dooms them to repeat it, again, and again until Israel ceases to exist. The Euros want it and so does half the world. Then Islam can get back to killing apostates and pagans, christians and catholics.
Our country’s leaders plan on a gentle take over of America by Islam.

Jan 17, 2009 - 8:57 am 38. barry 0351:

The rocket fire will not stop.

Jan 17, 2009 - 8:58 am 39. Sylvie:

To VIETNAM VET @ 20. A pity you do not seem to know the History of the Region. Israel has been a Kingdom in Judea for almost 4000 years with its well-known biblical history from King David on, but the region was renamed Palestine by the Romans during the Christ era 2000 years ago. The Palestinians on the other hand are simply Homeless Arab Refugees made Homeless after the Arab/Israeli War of 1948 and have a history of about 60 years since the leadership of their beloved Yasser Arafat elected to call them ‘Palestinians’ with a view to claiming land in the region of Palestine for a State. With this aim in mind the Palestinians have to destroy the Ancient Jewish Homeland in order to create an Islamic State of their own in its place as their Charter Commands. But the Jews don’t agree…. who would, would you?

the British Mandate

Jan 17, 2009 - 10:26 am 40. Sylvie:

To VIETNAM VET @ 20. A pity you do not seem to know the History of the Region. Israel has been a Kingdom in Judea for almost 4000 years with its well-known biblical history from King David on, but the region was renamed Palestine by the Romans during the Christ era 2000 years ago. The Palestinians on the other hand are simply Homeless Arab Refugees made Homeless after the Arab/Israeli War of 1948 and have a history of about 60 years since the leadership of their beloved Yasser Arafat elected to call them ‘Palestinians’ with a view to claiming land in the region of Palestine for a State. With this aim in mind the Palestinians have to destroy the Ancient Jewish Homeland in order to create an Islamic State of their own in its place as their Charter Commands. But the Jews don’t agree…. which is the cruz of the matter.

the British Mandate

Jan 17, 2009 - 10:35 am 41. Sylvie:

To VIETNAM VET @ 20 Israel has been a Kingdom in Judea for almost 4000 years with its well-known biblical history from King David on, but the region was renamed Palestine by the Romans during the Christ era 2000 years ago. The Palestinians on the other hand are simply Homeless Arab Refugees made Homeless after the Arab/Israeli War of 1948 and have a history of about 60 years since the leadership of their beloved Yasser Arafat elected to call them ‘Palestinians’ with a view to claiming land in the region of Palestine for a State. With this aim in mind the Palestinians have to destroy the Ancient Jewish Homeland in order to create an Islamic State of their own in its place as their Charter Commands. But the Jews don’t agree…. which is the crux of the matter.

the British Mandate

Jan 17, 2009 - 10:52 am 42. Spindok:

As ridiculous as it may to call for Israel to do nothing against Hamas it is just as misinformed to call for some sort of wholesale slaughter of the people there.

Some here want something you can post and boast about today. You want a quick solution. This is way past that.

This was never concieved at wiping out Hamas. That is not achievable. When the hour the cease-fire is announced by Israel, Hamas rockets will be fired. Piddling anemic response it will be when IDF tanks surround your key positions.

Now is the time for military gains to be translated into political ones.

So far Hamas has been inept at either one.

Shalom to all.

I hope the guns fall silent and stay that way.

Never again and enough.

Spindok

Jan 17, 2009 - 11:53 am 43. RW:

Unfortunately, it appears Hamas will be allowed to remain as the sole entity of power in Gaza and maintain its control over the hostages, re: the people of Gaza. The Muslim Brotherhood and their ilk, whether the offshoot calls itself Al Qaeda or Hamas or any myriad of other names believes devoutly in democracy: “One vote, one time” then it’s all over.

That scenario led to a civil war in Algeria with tens of thousands murdered by “the brothers” who frustrated with their inability to take over resorted to massive terror even raiding small towns and killing everyone, women and children included.

Remember the days when you went to school and loved to read outside of class about history and political science. And some of your friends who you played baseball or football with didn’t understand anything you were talking about regarding government and the world? Well it turns out they all got their Soros/media education and “learned” how wise it was to hate Bush for his “domestic spying” on terrorists overseas who would attempt to communicate with their brethren here.

And the black is white and sky is green crowd now consider themselves experts on everything and anything. Anything the media spouts is taken as gospel and repeated endlessly. They are now enlightened and sympathetic to the “oppression” of the people of Gaza. But they don’t have a clue about Hamas and what it does to anyone who dares stand up to them in Gaza. Nor do they know or care that Iran is their sponsor.

Jan 17, 2009 - 12:00 pm 44. subreen:

A rare interaction caught on live between a Gaza doctor who also cares for Israeli patients and an Israeli journalist who was able to help autorize ambulances to get to this doctor’s home where his daughters were killed and one injured.

Gaza doctor’s tragedy caught on Israeli TV – 17 Jan 09
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UxJWdCwOpc

Jan 17, 2009 - 12:22 pm 45. Maverick:

It’s really reaching to believe Israel assembled the troops and entered Gaza to destroy the missiles sites and the tunnels in a rush to do all of this, plus trying to negotiate a cease fire before President elect Obama takes office as President.

Jan 17, 2009 - 8:50 pm 46. tino:

Maverick, I think you got it right – nothing can disturb the coronation.

Jan 18, 2009 - 3:40 am 47. tino:

IDF poll on ceasefire 64% No, 26% Yes, 10 % Not sure

We are still 15,000 dead terrorists short.

Jan 18, 2009 - 3:50 am 48. Raj:

Israel needs to effect a “paradigm” shift and make sure the UN human rights officials think twice before getting uppity with talks of war crimes. Israel should escalate things to mindnumbing levels everytime an UN official gets uppity. Has ANY UN punk ever condemned hamas for human rights violation?

Islam holds the entire infidel world hostage, simply because of the fear they induce that they’ll get “angry”. Infidels need to band together and get “angry” everytime any other infidel nation is attacked.. Hopefully the hindu sissies will learn the lesson. I detest all fanaticism including hindu, baptist and jewish, but islam is in an ENTIRELY different league; and there isn’t a SINGLE voice of conscience among islamic nations.

Jan 18, 2009 - 5:56 am 49. Spindok:

Today after Israel enacted their unilateral cease-fire Hamas launched another 20 rocket salvo and demanded an immediate cease-fire from Israel. This happened at least 12 hours after the cease-fire had already happened.

Then they announced that Israel must withdraw within a week, which were already the announced and signed conditions from all of the major powers.

Oh no, they did say something. Yesterday the Hamas leader “in exile” (meaning he has not lived in Gaza among Palestinians for many years and stays in wealth, security and luxury in Damascus and elsewhere while his people hurt and suffer) Said this:

….
“We will not accept Israel’s conditions for a cease-fire,” Mashaal told the summit. He said Hamas demands that “the aggression stop,” Israeli troops withdraw and crossings into Gaza be opened immediately.
….

The next day he “demands” a cease fire based entirely along the lines Israel has already agreed to and enacted – on their own terms.

Sorry Mashaal. You showed up at the dance without a date when the party was already over.

You sleep alone tonight.

Spindok

Jan 18, 2009 - 10:39 am 50. tinamarie:

I’m a child of a WWII German refugee. My mom was 1 of 10 Million (yes 10 million) Germans who lost everything after the war. Guess what, that’s the nature of war. Germany aggressed and lost. And my family moved on. We aren’t living in a ‘camp’ somwhere plotting the death of the axis powers for taking our land away. I’m a proud American working hard, and I’m a liberal, and I totally support Israel’s right to defend herself against terrorism.

As a mom, my heart bleeds for every child killed in Gaza. It’s murder, but not by whom you think. Let me ask those of you who question Israel’s actions. If two combatants are in war, and one uses a child as a shield, who is responsible for that childs murder? Hammas doesn’t play by the rules of engagement. Hammas is a puppet of Iran, and uses the palestinians as pawns in their sick hatred.

Jan 18, 2009 - 4:01 pm 51. ChrisPer:

tinamarie, well said.
Its time ordinary people engaged the systems that make terrorism workable. Media narratives that mean our journalists act as force multipliers for terrorism need to be corrected. In our civilised society, we should be able to prevent our own society’s contributions to terrorist ’success’.

Jan 18, 2009 - 8:59 pm 52. Ira Zad:

As long as the Islamic Republic of Terror stands in Tehran, we have lost.

Jan 19, 2009 - 6:27 pm 53. charleywhiskey:

Cast Lead was a political battle, not a real war. Israel was smart to declare a “cease fire” when they did. Now all the eurocowards and obambi can watch the rockets continue to land in Israel and what are they gonna do?

Jan 19, 2009 - 6:43 pm 54. JackT:

Israel will never live in peace as long as they are willing to indiscriminately kill women and children.

Jan 19, 2009 - 11:39 pm 55. Stephen Hughes:

Israel Wins the Battles, Hamas Wins the War
Israeli Officials , “ We Have Taught the Hamas, a lesson, we have reduced rocket fire into our communities, “.
Israel expended some billion dollars, in military and economic resources. The Hamas, a few million dollars , but now the Hamas instead of obtaining a 100 million dollars or so a year, Hamas will now receive several billion. Saudi Arabia has already pledged one billion. . Hamas will rebuild , rearm, and become more powerful than ever.
Hamas with its state actors such as Iran , Syria and etc. has successfully inflamed an international global pandemic of distain and hatred for Israel , and Jewish People everywhere.
Israel will not only have to endure more terrorists attacks, more rocket fire, but under International pressure be required to show even more restraint, endure more losses.
As Rocket fire begins again, Hamas will say, It’s not us, its them, we are doing everything we can, Israel must show more restrain, etc. . sound familiar ??
If Israel had removed Hamas, it would have sent a clear message , to Iran, to Syria, to Hezbollah, and Global Terrorism.
But now they only message Israel has sent is , “ Ever Again”

Jan 20, 2009 - 1:25 pm 56. Naftali:

Jack T.,

If Hamas if firing thousands of rockets into Israel, is this some kind of 4th of July celebration? There is no guidance system on the rockets. I believe that is an indiscriminate attempt, and too often successful attempt to kill anyone, women and children included.

Israel bombed targets that have been shooting rockets, they have messaged the population of targeted areas to clear out before they strike, they bring the wounded back into Israel for medical treatment, they use high tech rifles that have the accuracy of sniper rifles, and they target all of those Hamas soldiers we keep seeing doing some marching and training. Hamas does have soldiers, right? I know that those soldiers are hard to see standing behind those children, but they are there shooting at Israeli soldiers.

In fact, Israel has never had a moment’s peace since 1948, before they even had an army and the barely had any weapons at all–since the Arab world immediately declared war on this country and planned to massacre everyone, the old, the women, the children, the civilians–since there really wasn’t even an army then.

But something tells me that facts don’t mean much to you–perhaps it’s that you don’t like Jews, perhaps you would like to see the indiscriminate killing of all Jews? That Hamas has failed to carry out your own wishes?

You think that’s possible?

Jan 20, 2009 - 1:31 pm 57. Oscar the Grump:

Claudia, honey
Did you know that in 1946 a truck bomb blew up in the Jewish quarter of Jerusalem killing 60 people and wounding many many more. There was no Jewish state, why was there terrorism? How about the kibutzes that had to post armed guards to protect them selves from marauding Arabs. Oops that couldn’t have happened there was no Jewish State so, according to you, that wasn’t terrorism. Take your head out of where ever you keep it and read. Then tell me about things.

Jan 20, 2009 - 1:37 pm