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		<title>By: Chileno</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chileno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 00:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wadosy: &quot;all jews must abandon even the pretense of morality in defense of israel&quot;

No, Jews have not abandonded morality. If they did that, they&#039;d be Palestinian terrorists. 

Consider the vast might of the IDF. If Israel wanted to, it could have anhiliated the Palestinians long ago. But they haven&#039;t, because though they have the means, they do not have the will. Who speaks of anhiliation? That would be Iran, Hamas, and Hezbollah, all of whose leaders have at one time or another called for the destruction of Israel. The only reason they haven&#039;t kiled more Jews is because they don&#039;t have the capacity... yet. Who is the real amoral extremist? 

Though hundreds of thousands of Palestinians were displaced during the 1948 war, hundreds of thousands chose stayed in Israel. What happened to them? They were granted citizenship, the right to vote, the right to freedom of assembly and freedom of speech. On the other hand, what happened to the few Jews that were still in the West Bank at the end of the war? They were expelled, of course! Who lacks morals here?

Consider this thread. Who speaks of hate? Who started slandering entire ethnic/religious groups with demeaning terms such as &quot;deathwish Christians&quot; or &quot;samson zionists&quot;? That would be YOU, Wadosy. Before you start another hateful rant against &quot;evil&quot; outsiders, take a good look in the mirror.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wadosy: &#8220;all jews must abandon even the pretense of morality in defense of israel&#8221;</p>
<p>No, Jews have not abandonded morality. If they did that, they&#8217;d be Palestinian terrorists. </p>
<p>Consider the vast might of the IDF. If Israel wanted to, it could have anhiliated the Palestinians long ago. But they haven&#8217;t, because though they have the means, they do not have the will. Who speaks of anhiliation? That would be Iran, Hamas, and Hezbollah, all of whose leaders have at one time or another called for the destruction of Israel. The only reason they haven&#8217;t kiled more Jews is because they don&#8217;t have the capacity&#8230; yet. Who is the real amoral extremist? </p>
<p>Though hundreds of thousands of Palestinians were displaced during the 1948 war, hundreds of thousands chose stayed in Israel. What happened to them? They were granted citizenship, the right to vote, the right to freedom of assembly and freedom of speech. On the other hand, what happened to the few Jews that were still in the West Bank at the end of the war? They were expelled, of course! Who lacks morals here?</p>
<p>Consider this thread. Who speaks of hate? Who started slandering entire ethnic/religious groups with demeaning terms such as &#8220;deathwish Christians&#8221; or &#8220;samson zionists&#8221;? That would be YOU, Wadosy. Before you start another hateful rant against &#8220;evil&#8221; outsiders, take a good look in the mirror.</p>
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		<title>By: Oscar the Grump</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oscar the Grump</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 18:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No name
There are lots of foreign volunteers who go to Israel.   It is highly unlikely that you would be asked to fight.   However, volunteers are given support jobs such as maintaining tanks.   You would learn Hebrew, have lots of fun and probably find that there are lots of other things you can put between two nipples.   Check it out and enjoy the results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No name<br />
There are lots of foreign volunteers who go to Israel.   It is highly unlikely that you would be asked to fight.   However, volunteers are given support jobs such as maintaining tanks.   You would learn Hebrew, have lots of fun and probably find that there are lots of other things you can put between two nipples.   Check it out and enjoy the results.</p>
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		<title>By: Oscar the Grump</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oscar the Grump</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 18:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen</p>
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		<title>By: peace</title>
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		<dc:creator>peace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 04:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>N0 doubt watusy or whatever his name is; a bonafide muslim...I&#039;ve read other posts from him and he is full of hate...Hey, Wadosy, when you are   burning in hell just by your rhetoric...and you will die...everyone does...but God Almighty has mercy on you;  RIGHT NOW!  I think, no, I know that people like you are jealous of the prosperity of Israel...You&#039;ve been deceived just as the like of you have...No matter what you say; I&#039;m sure you have a horrible life....GOD BLESS ISRAEL!!!! GOD BLESS THE USA!!!! Goodness will overcome evil!!!  God is protecting Israel and if any massive harm comes to them God Almighty will show everyone his power!  Then people like wadosy will be hiding behind rocks and never will imagine the terror he and people like him will feel!  God has sent angels to protect Israel and he will step into the circumstances in the lives of the people of Israel and Christians...YOU&#039;LL SEE!!! GLORY TO GOD AND TO JESUS CHRIST!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>N0 doubt watusy or whatever his name is; a bonafide muslim&#8230;I&#8217;ve read other posts from him and he is full of hate&#8230;Hey, Wadosy, when you are   burning in hell just by your rhetoric&#8230;and you will die&#8230;everyone does&#8230;but God Almighty has mercy on you;  RIGHT NOW!  I think, no, I know that people like you are jealous of the prosperity of Israel&#8230;You&#8217;ve been deceived just as the like of you have&#8230;No matter what you say; I&#8217;m sure you have a horrible life&#8230;.GOD BLESS ISRAEL!!!! GOD BLESS THE USA!!!! Goodness will overcome evil!!!  God is protecting Israel and if any massive harm comes to them God Almighty will show everyone his power!  Then people like wadosy will be hiding behind rocks and never will imagine the terror he and people like him will feel!  God has sent angels to protect Israel and he will step into the circumstances in the lives of the people of Israel and Christians&#8230;YOU&#8217;LL SEE!!! GLORY TO GOD AND TO JESUS CHRIST!</p>
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		<title>By: wadosy</title>
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		<dc:creator>wadosy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 10:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so we&#039;re all agreed, then... all jews must abandon even the pretense of morality in defense of israel, and that abandonment of morals is good for the jewish people.

good enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so we&#8217;re all agreed, then&#8230; all jews must abandon even the pretense of morality in defense of israel, and that abandonment of morals is good for the jewish people.</p>
<p>good enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Chileno</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chileno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 02:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wadosy - you obviously have little knowledge of real Middle Eastern history. Please put down the Left-wing cool-aid you&#039;ve been chugging, and pick up an actual history book -you may actually learn something.

The Arabs love to bring up the 700,000+ Arabs that were displaced during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. They fail to mention the 600,000-800,000 Jews that Arabs drove off their centuries-old communities across the Arab world between 1948-1952, many with little more than the shirts on their backs. You never hear about these refugees because they were mostly absorbed by Israel as useful citizens, unlike the Palestinian refugees, who were left to rot in refugee camps for 60 years, to be used as political pawns by the very people who claim to be fighting for their rights. 

The Arabs vehemently protested the 1948 British partition of Mandate Palestine to create a Jewish homeland. Yet they spoke not a word when in 1947 the British partitioned India to create Muslim Pakistan. Double standard? That partition, by the way, created 14 MILLION Hindu/Muslim refugees (including 500,000 dead), but you don&#039;t hear about those refugees either, as they, too, were absorbed by their respective brethren. In fact, of the millions of ethnic refugees displaced since 1945, including Germans, Hindus, Pakistani Muslims, Jews, Cubans, Tibetians, the vast majority have been settled in neighboring nations, absorbed by their kinsfolk. Only Palestinians have been condemned to live in refugee camps, usually devoid of citizenship (despite the fact most by now were born on Arab soil) and in some cases even restricted in their work, health, and land rights. Palestinians want to &quot;return&quot; to Palestine, yet the only ones old enough to claim this (let alone remember life there) are at least 61 years old. 

I do believe Israel has to own up to its share of mistakes, especially its West Bank settlements, the endless checkpoints, excessive use of force, etc. which are wrongheaded policies, and are ultimately counterproductive. But to lay all the blame on Israel is foolish, or worse yet, extremist well beyond those you demean with terms like &quot;deathwish christians&quot; or &quot;samson zionists.&quot; No nation is perfect. I do question the legality of some of Israel&#039;s policies. I do not question the legality of Israel. Do you? 

I could go on, but I&#039;m guessing it would be a wast of time, given your hate of Israel is deeply entrenched, to the point no reasoning could budge it. If you ever decide to wake up to the facts, feel free to contact me.

P.S. By the way, the US only became Israel&#039;s friend and protector in the late 1970s. Israel received little if any aid during the &#039;48 war, the Suez Crisis, and the wars of &#039;67 and &#039;73. They did their fighting all by themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wadosy &#8211; you obviously have little knowledge of real Middle Eastern history. Please put down the Left-wing cool-aid you&#8217;ve been chugging, and pick up an actual history book -you may actually learn something.</p>
<p>The Arabs love to bring up the 700,000+ Arabs that were displaced during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. They fail to mention the 600,000-800,000 Jews that Arabs drove off their centuries-old communities across the Arab world between 1948-1952, many with little more than the shirts on their backs. You never hear about these refugees because they were mostly absorbed by Israel as useful citizens, unlike the Palestinian refugees, who were left to rot in refugee camps for 60 years, to be used as political pawns by the very people who claim to be fighting for their rights. </p>
<p>The Arabs vehemently protested the 1948 British partition of Mandate Palestine to create a Jewish homeland. Yet they spoke not a word when in 1947 the British partitioned India to create Muslim Pakistan. Double standard? That partition, by the way, created 14 MILLION Hindu/Muslim refugees (including 500,000 dead), but you don&#8217;t hear about those refugees either, as they, too, were absorbed by their respective brethren. In fact, of the millions of ethnic refugees displaced since 1945, including Germans, Hindus, Pakistani Muslims, Jews, Cubans, Tibetians, the vast majority have been settled in neighboring nations, absorbed by their kinsfolk. Only Palestinians have been condemned to live in refugee camps, usually devoid of citizenship (despite the fact most by now were born on Arab soil) and in some cases even restricted in their work, health, and land rights. Palestinians want to &#8220;return&#8221; to Palestine, yet the only ones old enough to claim this (let alone remember life there) are at least 61 years old. </p>
<p>I do believe Israel has to own up to its share of mistakes, especially its West Bank settlements, the endless checkpoints, excessive use of force, etc. which are wrongheaded policies, and are ultimately counterproductive. But to lay all the blame on Israel is foolish, or worse yet, extremist well beyond those you demean with terms like &#8220;deathwish christians&#8221; or &#8220;samson zionists.&#8221; No nation is perfect. I do question the legality of some of Israel&#8217;s policies. I do not question the legality of Israel. Do you? </p>
<p>I could go on, but I&#8217;m guessing it would be a wast of time, given your hate of Israel is deeply entrenched, to the point no reasoning could budge it. If you ever decide to wake up to the facts, feel free to contact me.</p>
<p>P.S. By the way, the US only became Israel&#8217;s friend and protector in the late 1970s. Israel received little if any aid during the &#8216;48 war, the Suez Crisis, and the wars of &#8216;67 and &#8216;73. They did their fighting all by themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 01:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a total A******. He has to be a Muslim !!</description>
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		<title>By: Saltherring</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saltherring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, jv99, Israel is, as you say, &quot;a minor power&quot;.  But the last time I checked, the God of Israel is still the major power.  How do you think Israel has survived...and thrived...in the midst of those who would destroy her?  Israel&#039;s existence and prosperity can only be described as miracles of God...with her greatest days yet to come.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, jv99, Israel is, as you say, &#8220;a minor power&#8221;.  But the last time I checked, the God of Israel is still the major power.  How do you think Israel has survived&#8230;and thrived&#8230;in the midst of those who would destroy her?  Israel&#8217;s existence and prosperity can only be described as miracles of God&#8230;with her greatest days yet to come.</p>
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		<title>By: jv99</title>
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		<dc:creator>jv99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Israel is a minor power.  They just look like a tough guy because of the neighborhood they live in.  They came very close to loosing in 1973 and were pushed out of Lebanon in 2006.  They do not have any capability to attack Iran or defend themselves after if Iran hits back - without the US as their shield and our troops blood on the ground.  Their nuclear capability is probably one or two devices that have never been tested and may or may not work.

I respect Israel for what they have done with nothing in the Middle East.  Buried back in my family were people who were put in the death camps who were not Jews.  There were many of them also beside the Jews who were murdered.  If most of the Middle East disappeared tomorrow the world would be a better place for it.  But, it is not going to.

America does not have the troops or the money or the world power anymore to run to the defense of Israel if they do something stupid like attack Iran.  And Israel knows it.  The same applies to the US continuing to ignore the endless squabbling over Palestine.  Obama is telling Israel that it is time for that to end -- deal with it -- now.  Obama needs to take care of America first -- and that is just what he is doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Israel is a minor power.  They just look like a tough guy because of the neighborhood they live in.  They came very close to loosing in 1973 and were pushed out of Lebanon in 2006.  They do not have any capability to attack Iran or defend themselves after if Iran hits back &#8211; without the US as their shield and our troops blood on the ground.  Their nuclear capability is probably one or two devices that have never been tested and may or may not work.</p>
<p>I respect Israel for what they have done with nothing in the Middle East.  Buried back in my family were people who were put in the death camps who were not Jews.  There were many of them also beside the Jews who were murdered.  If most of the Middle East disappeared tomorrow the world would be a better place for it.  But, it is not going to.</p>
<p>America does not have the troops or the money or the world power anymore to run to the defense of Israel if they do something stupid like attack Iran.  And Israel knows it.  The same applies to the US continuing to ignore the endless squabbling over Palestine.  Obama is telling Israel that it is time for that to end &#8212; deal with it &#8212; now.  Obama needs to take care of America first &#8212; and that is just what he is doing.</p>
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		<title>By: wadosy</title>
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		<dc:creator>wadosy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 08:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>really, when you think about it, israel is in an idiotic situation, one of their own making, too, which makes it worse.

i mean, how can such a pipsqueak nation, hitched to a dying empire, hope to dominate the world, especially in view of the fact that more and more of the world is recognizing israel for what it is? 

...and what israel is, is: the most likely source of a global nuke war... a war in defense of a bad idea that mocks supposed jewish aspirations to moral behavior and justice.

so you radicals can redefine jewishness to conform to your actions and excommunicate those jews who are unwilling to toe your &quot;might makes right&quot; line.

your hypocrisy, claiming the moral high ground as you commit atrocities in defense of a bad idea... that hypocrisy is becoming so obvious that zionist jews are the laughingstock of the world, or would be if they werent heavily armed and borderline suicidal.

deathwish christians allied with samson option jews... a catastrophe looking for a time to happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>really, when you think about it, israel is in an idiotic situation, one of their own making, too, which makes it worse.</p>
<p>i mean, how can such a pipsqueak nation, hitched to a dying empire, hope to dominate the world, especially in view of the fact that more and more of the world is recognizing israel for what it is? </p>
<p>&#8230;and what israel is, is: the most likely source of a global nuke war&#8230; a war in defense of a bad idea that mocks supposed jewish aspirations to moral behavior and justice.</p>
<p>so you radicals can redefine jewishness to conform to your actions and excommunicate those jews who are unwilling to toe your &#8220;might makes right&#8221; line.</p>
<p>your hypocrisy, claiming the moral high ground as you commit atrocities in defense of a bad idea&#8230; that hypocrisy is becoming so obvious that zionist jews are the laughingstock of the world, or would be if they werent heavily armed and borderline suicidal.</p>
<p>deathwish christians allied with samson option jews&#8230; a catastrophe looking for a time to happen.</p>
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