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1. robotech master:

He pretty much has to get off on a technicality… which is why obama’s all about it.

Their is no way in hell he can be considered to get a fair trial in NY… just to name even the most basic lawyer argument. Obama is doing everything he can to help one of his heros make one last stand.

Bottom line is that under the civ court system ANYTHING expect it being completely dismissed is illegal…

In the end obama wins either way… either he convicts them and basically rewrites all US case law in the process to do it thus ensuring a huge government power grab… or they go free…

It really is the prefect plan all the way around…

Plus on top of all of that he gets to insult the military justice system by calling it “racist, bigoted, unfair, etc” and thus gets to promote another classic leftist agenda of discrediting the US military.

Nov 14, 2009 - 11:09 pm 2. KZ:

Like everything else Obama has done this is about weakening America.

Long before his term as President has ended the realities of geopolitics will smack him up side the head so hard that Jimmy Carter will be seeing stars.

Nov 15, 2009 - 12:01 am 3. ic:

I love to see the country’s reaction to Obama’s silliness when KSM gets off.

Nov 15, 2009 - 12:22 am 4. robotech master:

Also just in case anyone missed the last “bow”gate… here is our “lord and savor” bowing to another world leader….looks VERY VERY similar to another “bow” he did before another “king”.

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20091114/capt.a9b065e91c6a4b3cb32ab5b20cd370a5.aptopix_japan_obama_asia_jpnd105.jpg?x=400&y=284&q=85&sig=Ljydz2nkM596RyI3NldDAw–

Nov 15, 2009 - 1:33 am 5. logdon:

Obama talked of joining and healing a divided America. So far he’s done everything he could possibly do to achieve the opposite.

This will crown the lot.

Lets face it, in relegating the breaking news of Fort Hood to second place after his ’shout out’, he showed precisely what he thinks of mainstream Americans and the military.

He’d rather defend his beloved Islam and if the US is to survive his tenure some pretty radical steps to halt his fifth collumn infiltration have to be thought up.

Whilst he prevaricated in judgement over Hasan’s motives, no such care was observed in his leap to condemn the ’stupid’ Cambridge Police officers who arrested his buddy, Gates.

A jihadi kills 13 US military, whilst screaming Allahu Akhbar and it’s his shrugs and sneering demeanour. A team of police officers act in accordance with the law and because the arrestee is a/ black, and b/ his friend he just can’t stop himself from the ad hominem and completely unjustified insult.

This is the icing on the cake. How clear a message can this Manchurian Potus send?

Madness!

Nov 15, 2009 - 3:04 am 6. Mike2:

If one of the defendants get declared not guilty or released by the court for lack of admissible evidence what will then happen? Eric Holder has recently stated that if that happens the defendants will not be released in the US. If that happens I hope the presiding judge has the guts to release them to the street immediately thus shoving this administration’s stupidity right in their faces.

All said though, this insanity has nothing to do with “justice” for the terrorists. It has everything to do with political retribution. The real defendants on trial will be the Bush administration’s prosecution of the war on terror and everybody knows it. I bet George Bush wishes he had dealt with these guys earlier. He had 7 years to get them convicted and executed and blew it.

Nov 15, 2009 - 3:58 am 7. genghis:

Good Luck NYC. If you were ever off of the bullseye, you’ll now be squarely in the kill zone for the duration of this show trial and thereafter. This travesty will attract every flegling jihadist, jihadist wannabee, psycho and whacknut in the universe like blowflies to horse dung. And there will be no shortage of radical leftwing lawyers desperate to make a name for themselves and get media attention oozing up to defend these scumbags. Holder and Obama believe that this will play out like a Harvard moot court. They are fools, despite their advanced education and bloated CVs. Maybe Obama-san should make an appearance and bow down to the the sheik as a gesture of good will. Expect two years of vapid talking heads vying with each other to demonstrate their expertise and air their liberal interpretation of history. I haave only one request: When the circus gets to town, the major networks should be required to replay the video those two aircraft striking the towers, and the video of human beings leaping from the upper floors of the WTC EVERY SINGLE DAY that the trial goes on. Every day, every night just to remind people of what the President and his syncophants have forgotten or never learned. As previously stated, good luck New York. Watch your six oclock.

Nov 15, 2009 - 4:24 am 8. pelaut:

Rham Emanual & Co. have ordered the NYC trial of KSM to put a media smoke screen of 6-8 years duration over every 60s radical move they want to make.

Every day there will be a new sidebar story of immense proportions emanating from the process: loony attacks on the courtroom, day-of-rage hate-America-Bush bus burnings around the world, besides the hourly courtroom drama bombshells of venue-rights-coercion, etc.

Think 4th of July fireworks finale: every event every day will launch a side-clutter of ooohs and aaaahs incidents — a smoke screen that will outlast Obama’s constitutional presidency into his fiat terms.

We’re cooked.

Nov 15, 2009 - 4:30 am 9. Terry Gain:

My first reaction when I heard of this insane decision, is that there will be jury intimidation, as well as witness and prosecutor intimidation. Presumably all of these people will wear bags over their heads or otherwise the state isn’t going to get a fair trial. And more people, and their loved ones are going to be killed as, and after, they serve their country and political correctness.

The purpose of these trials is to embarrass Bush and Cheney. If innocent people are killed in the process, which I think is almost certain, will the insane Bush hatred of the Democrats be satiated? Will the people of America rebel and insist on politicians like Lieberman and Miller who put country before party.

Nov 15, 2009 - 4:43 am 10. Terry Gain:

Also just in case anyone missed the last “bow”gate… here is our “lord and savor” bowing to another world leader….looks VERY VERY similar to another “bow” he did before another “king”.

The reverential bow before King Abdullah was unconscious. This one was staged as a cover for the King Abdullah bow. In this one Obama held the pose so long he had to request the services of a geisha to straighten him out. Unfortunately for him the consensus throughout all of Japan was that an army of geishas couldn’t do the impossible.

Nov 15, 2009 - 4:51 am 11. cedarhill:

Fatwas on the families of the jurors and prosecutors and witnesses. Remember the Danish cartoons. And why would you think only immediate family? Look for wacking grandma, uncles, aunts and cousins. Or just some school in NY state. Just to prove to the jihadist that it’s war and to protest not using sharia.

First out of the bag of defense motions/hearing will be whether his capture was legal and, if so, was he properly extradicted. Meanwhile bail hearings. Expect a lot of appeals. However, if Khalid wants to take center stage nothing much to stop him.

Pity the New Yorkers reliving it within walking distance of the big hole in the ground.

Chicago politics again. Run against Bush again. Check out the article in the NYT, the official organ of the White House, about how it will correct the Bush years, et al. The drumbeat officially has begun.

Nov 15, 2009 - 5:18 am 12. Marc Malone:

How would you like to be the guys who have to keep these scum safe? You really gonna stand your ground and risk your life for them? If some aggrieved widower comes for them, are you gonna shoot him? Really? If a mob were to decide to lynch them, what would you do? If a Mob comes to beat them with bats, what will you do? When they start throwing stones, what do you do?

I wonder what the odds are in Vegas for these guys surviving their trial?

And, yes, it’s ruthless, dirty, hardball politics. They think there is no downside for them, because they think all the people will forever remain sheeple. Perhaps they’re right… but, perhaps not. Which straw will break the camel’s back?

Nov 15, 2009 - 5:32 am 13. ETAB:

It is such a blatantly evil decision that it leaves me stunned. It is an anti-American decision. It has nothing to do with justice; nothing. It is a purely political decision.

1) Those on the left are defending it as ‘it will showcase the value of the American Justice system. Rubbish.
The American justice system is not now and has never been at question. There is no need to defend it.
AND – that’s their only defense!

Futhermore, because of all the problems associated with ‘discovery’ in a civil trial, there will be glitches that a defense lawyer could use to declare the trial invalid and his client acquited. BUT, if the acquital is refused, then, the ‘American Justice system’ is shown to be corrupt.

2) So, what’s it really about? It is one thing only. It’s a political strategy with ONE agenda. One agenda.

This has two parts: part one is to Bash Bush; this will satisfy the blood lust of the leftist crowds who are feeling let down by Obama’s weakness in their Pet Values of gay marriage, attacking the CIA. Obama needs their votes because he’s losing his popularity.

Its other part is to make the American people feel guilty by showcasing America as The Cause of Islamic jihadism. Why do this?
Result? Vote for post-Bush Obama.

3) It’s a political strategy to DIVERT attention from the disasters of Obama’s presidential reign: his deficit, his pork-stimulus, his cap-and-trade, his health care..all of which are bankrupting America and doing nothing positive.

It’s a political strategy to counter the growing voices of the Tea Parties (whom Obama himself denigrates by calling them TeaBaggers)..The Tea Parties are growing, are continuing, and that massive Tea Party in Washington, which the Obama Gang are pretending didn’t happen…has deeply worried them.
This is their response to the Tea Parties, to FOX, to the American people who Dare To Criticize the Great Master, Obama.

4) What does he do with their criticism of Him?

He puts the American people on trial. That’s what he does.

They’ll manipulate the MSM so that this is ALL that will be talked about, the evil Pre-Obama regime…and the disasters of the Obama regime will barely get any air time.

5) Then, there’ll be the threats against America as this trial incites jihadists around the world. This trial will scream from the Islamic Press pages – and be used to recruit more and more terrorists.

There’ll be threats; there’ll be even attacks. These new attacks will be used as evidence of the Evils of the Bush era, and Obama will give noble speeches: ‘We Have Changed; This is Post-Bush; there is No Need to Attack Us. Oh..and Vote For Obama.

6) And think about it – the COSTS. Millions and millions, paid by the American taxpayers, for the lawyers for these terrorists. Millions for the security of them. Millions as well, for the security of New York.

And what about the jurors? Will they and their families receive death threats from jihadists around the world?

A political campaign..paid for, not by the Democratic Party but by the American people. And against the welfare of America.

Nov 15, 2009 - 5:43 am 14. kerry:

Why New York? Why not Portland? San Francisco?
Madison, WI? Berkeley? Seattle?
This will end badly. Somewhere along the trajectory of this trial some judge will magically pronounce a heretofore unknown ‘right’ and someone will be turned loose. If this occurs, and the someone disappears beneath a shroud of a ‘right to anonymity’ and later turns up blown to smithereens, alone with 81 children in a daycare at the Mall of America, (incidentally, a gun free-fire zone), against whom will the anger of the grieving parents be turned? The judge safely hidden away in upstate NY? Lefty lawyers who volunteered their free time in exchange for ‘the whole world’ of publicity and acclaim? Unnamed editorial writers? There is only so much shite American citizens will eat.

Nov 15, 2009 - 6:05 am 15. graywolf:

The bigger the circus the easier it is to do things behind the seen and have no one notice …………..its the Obama mode of operation.

Nov 15, 2009 - 6:15 am 16. Terry Gain:

Idiot Democratic Senator Jack Reed was just on Fox News Sunday saying these trials must take place to show the world that we are better than they are. He then said that if they are acquitted they won’t be released.

The we are better than they are is a freudian slip. In this case we is the Democrats and they is the Republicans

The idiocy of the left is almost beyond comprehension. The United States gives blood and treasure to liberate 60 million Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan and the enemy kills schoolgirls for the offense of attending school and chops off the heads of aid workers without breaking a sweat and we have to have a dangerous and expensive show trial to prove they are are better than the Islamists? How is such idiocy possible? This is out of control BDS.

I suggest to Mr Reed and the Democrats that if you want to prove we are better than the Islamists stop trying to fund the wanton destruction of the most innocent and vulnerable of all human beings.

Nov 15, 2009 - 6:35 am 17. kdell:

Look at the timing folks. Now we’re distracted by this announcement instead of healthcare. Our eyes are off the target! NY cannot give these dirtbags a fair trial, is where the defense will go first. What juror will want to be in the spotlight for convicting these pigs? And risk the safety of their family? The reasons this is a stupid decision are unending. One way or the other we lose this trial. And obama guarantees his defeat in 2012. He has now proven he is not only inexperienced and incompetent, but also not so bright after all.

Nov 15, 2009 - 6:46 am 18. misanthropicus:

Remember Jamie Gorelick? The Gorelick memo?
To put the entire affair in the most merciful light, Obama (since no one seriously can say that this action was carried by Holder at his pleasure), is a captive of the 1990-s, pre- 9/11 PC mentality…

… a costly mentality, as we can see, since the 9/11 (whose materialization can be squarely credited to the liberal, PC outlook of the Clinton administration) has ingle-handedly placed American on a course of reactions with, alas! so few options – Iraq war, the Afghanistan war, etc., enormous enterprises, enormous prices in lives and sacrifices, enormous financial burdens…

… paging Jamie Gorelick… paging Jamie Gorelick… paging Jamie Gorelick…
… heck, I don’t know what’s going on, it’s just two guys, Obama and Holder returning the call…

I actually enjoy the fact that the decision of bringing this trial to New York has finished Holder’s and Obama’s careers and that the Democrats will have to deal with a home fire that will sidetrack them for a few political cycles (remember, it’ll take a few years ’till we’ll have the trial finished) – but the hefty price we’ll face for this perverse decision of bringing this trial to Manhattan, in terms of security, public discouragement, international scorn and irony, and national strife will be enormous and totally undeserved -

Totally undeserved – well, the bills for the transformational presidency got to be paid somehow -

Nov 15, 2009 - 7:09 am 19. ~Paules:

I can’t begin to wrap my mind around the reasons why Obama and Holder prefer a civilian trial. That it makes no rational sense on any level indicates that the exegesis rests in an ideological realm far from my comprehension. I will not waste my time trying to plumb the depths of such madness.

There could be one salutary affect with conviction. Perhaps the jihadi scum will get life in prison. Deny them martyrdom and allow them to rot in jail to the end of their days. There are things worse than death. Small recompense, I think, for the families of three thousand murdered Americans.

Nov 15, 2009 - 7:10 am 20. Sebastian Shaw:

Moral relativism is at work here. The Left–particularly radicals such as Eric Holder, President Obama, & his numerous thug czars–views terrorists as common criminals which have a disdain for the military; this is really the unspoken truth. President Obama does not trust the US military & the military tribunals. He also wants to humiliate the Bush 43 Administration as much as possible by making America the enemy instead of the terrorists. Obama is courting disaster with many unintended consequences.

Nov 15, 2009 - 7:20 am 21. misanthropicus:

… and then, Obama’s perverse timing of this operation, Holder triggering the explosion exactly when he is/will be safely away, at the antipodes, engaged in some upliftng business – yes, Obama’s style is identical with a terrorist recruiter’s scheme:

1) After identifying Holder as fit for the job,
2) after prepping him with more motivating speeches,
3) after prividing him with the dynamite-lined jacket and the clear details and timing of his mission,
4) then setting him on his trajectory,
5) Obama quickly took off, away, to a remote, safe place from where to assist via TV at Holder fulfilling his destructive assignement…

Obama certainly has studied the terrorist recruiter’s manual and has absorbed a few notions about how to properly run such an operation -

Which shows again how dangerous can be a man like Obama (who harbors so much antipathy for America and the Western World), when an accident brings him in the proximity of our national security switches –

We’ll see more of these – after all aren’t we living a transformational presidency?

Nov 15, 2009 - 7:21 am 22. arthur:

yes the gall of the government to actually prosecute the people who plotted the 9-11 terrorist attacks in a court of law! amazing! the argument against, ‘oh well it will be difficult and messy, the bad guys will say bad things about us, we are scared to do it like this, can’t we just keep them locked up in the Gulag forever and ever!’ the right way, the American way to do this, is to prosecute in a civil court of law, the wrong way is to go the totalitarian Stalin approach of no trails or phony military trials conducted in secrecy with secrete evidence advocated by many right wing slippery slope mouth pieces. and btw feldman you are wrong, trials are not meant to persuade anyone that we are fair etc that’s just some right wing ’straw-man’ propaganda talking!

Nov 15, 2009 - 7:42 am 23. tommyd:

I doubt the American people will be happy with this decision. I also believe it will influence many of them , especially independents, in the voting booth.

I also believe the Obama administration is planning to use this trial as a opportunity to continue to attack the Bush administration, and when any of the terrorist get off they will blame it on Bush/Cheney administration. I would also not be surprised if Holder attempts to pursue criminal charges against members of the Bush admin as a result of info brought to light during the trials.

The trail will also provide much needed cover to distract attention from everything else that the Obama admin. is or plans to screw up.

These trials are nothing more than a smoke screen for renewed attacks by the Obama admin against the right.

Obama will be a one term president provided the GOP can find someone of character to run in 2012.

Nov 15, 2009 - 7:42 am 24. Harry:

Ayman Al Zawahiri, otherwise known as #2 to Osama Bin Laden and currently at large somewhere in some cave, was in an Egyptian prison years ago. There’s a video of him preaching to the world that as we now know was prophetic. Now we are about to give another murderer and terrorist the same platform Zawahiri was given. Even if he’s guilty and put to death he will empower a new generation of Islamic terrorists. The courts will not be able to shut him up and a courtroom video will emerge on Youtube within hours if not minutes telling the world what he’s been waiting many years to say. The end result may be a momentary victory for US justice but in the long run will bring more pain and suffering to America.

Nov 15, 2009 - 8:03 am 25. Terry Gain:

#22 arthur (a genius leftist for sure)doesn’t trust the U. S. military to fairly try these people. He prefers to prosecute war crimes in the circus of a civil trial where innocent people are likely to be killed. Do tell arthur, if they are acquitted will you demand their release?

Nov 15, 2009 - 8:13 am 26. ETAB:

Arthur – there is no need to prove the justice of the American justice system to the world. It’s already a known FACT.

You are with your post, actually declaring that the American Justice system is at fault and must go through a trial, to be cleared!

Furthermore, your slurs against military trials are unfounded. They are as valid as criminal trials; the difference is that they refer to military actions against the state, while criminal trials refer to criminal actions against individuals.

Terrorists ought to be tried in military courts, as people engaged in military hostilities.

Nov 15, 2009 - 8:17 am 27. misanthropicus:

… and the greatest irony of all is that all the terro-s who declared themselves as BELONGING TO NO/ SERVING NO COUNTRY have received the benefits (and many & obvious they are), of being treated AS US CITIZENS from no other person THAN OBAMA, whose American citizenship status is UNCERTAIN, and whose presidential legitimacy is EVEN MORE UNCERTAIN -

We are assisting at such an impressive assault on normalcy by the forces of fraud -

Nov 15, 2009 - 8:19 am 28. misanthropicus:

RE #16/Terry Gain:

[..] Idiot Democratic Senator Jack Reed was just on Fox News Sunday saying these trials must take place to show the world that we are better than they are. He then said that if they are acquitted they won’t be released. [...]

This made me laugh – so why run the trials after all, if in the case they’re acquitted (and this is quite possible – if it doesn’t fit, acquit!), they won’t be released anyway?
Does that make us look better than… who?

This is so sick -

Nov 15, 2009 - 8:27 am 29. Kate Rafferty:

This is just another shiny thing to distract us while they’re busily at work destroying the country.

Nov 15, 2009 - 8:54 am 30. narciso:

The same can be said for Syed Qutb, the modern father of jihadism, tortured and ultimately killed
by Egyptian security forces. One recalls that at least part of the September 11th plot, allegedly
involved a prisoner swap for the blind Sheik Rahman

Nov 15, 2009 - 8:58 am 31. Sebastian Shaw:

Arthur, you’re clueless as usual & completely miss the point of the article. The terrorists will be set free on technicalities & free to live in America; they are not Americans, yet have been given carte blanche American citizenship with this type of trial.

Nov 15, 2009 - 9:00 am 32. tanstaafl:

I’m speechless at the depth & breadth of the absurdity of holding a civilian trial in NYC for KSM and the other big four” at Gitmo.

Long ago they admitted guilt and asked for martyrdom.

The American justice system is a joke to them and whatever outcome the trial produces is meaningless to them.

The ACLU and sundry defenders of this crowd have been playing games with them for years. I imagine they’re on suicide watch at GITMO so they can continue to serve as fodder for the fray.

Eric Holder must not have enough to do and/or wants a show trial to distract from his boss’ débacles or, third possibility, has a very deep agenda going along with this administration’s Left wing’s insistence on “getting” the previous administration.

Holder’s Hidden Agenda

Nov 15, 2009 - 9:09 am 33. clarice:

Dear Arthur, I am always amused at the left’s capacity to blind itself to facts and turn on the moral superiority spigot. Perhaps you can explain why a military tribunal which the administration considers adequate to assure a fair trial in the case of the USS Cole bombers also in detention in Gitmo is inadequate to assure a fair trial to the 9/11 plotters.
Your reading comprehension surely is good enough to catch that in the article, isn’t it and yet your impassioned defense of the decision ignores that obvious inconsistency.
As for your even more florid reference to Stalin, how do you justify the fact that Holder indicates that even if KSM and his cohorts somehow get acquitted, we can remand them and hold them in indefinite detention as we plan to do with a fair number of detainees we have no plan to try either in civil courts or in military tribunals.

Nov 15, 2009 - 9:17 am 34. tanstaafl:

In case you haven’t seen it, some expansion on…

Bow-gate

Nov 15, 2009 - 9:35 am 35. tanstaafl:

“the state” will seek the death penalty in the NYC circus.

How pompously self-righteous of the state.

The defendants have already asked for the death penalty, at least then they’ll get out of GITMO’s chick free zone & go off to recline on bejeweled couches while the 72 virgins (who re-hymenate overnight !)drop grapes into their mouths beside the rivers of honey and wine !

(The Koran mentions rivers of wine in Paradise, whilst Allah’s dévotees in Iraq and Farrakhan’s bow-tied buddies in Oakland CA trash liquor stores as anti-Islamic.)

Mo (PBUH) likely enjoyed the grape, so Islamists need to stop ragging on alcohol!

(forgive my meanderings, my mind is splitting down the middle as each day brings something more mind-boggling than the previous)

Nov 15, 2009 - 10:05 am 36. Nedarc:

The defendents in the trial with the help of thier ‘Friends’ domestic & international, including the current White House, will force the prosecution to turn over a lot of information to our enemy’s that will weaken this country and at the end of the trial, George W. Bush somehow , will be blamed. New York City is a perfect place for this trial for the Obama Admisistation.

Nov 15, 2009 - 10:25 am 37. Josh P:

Perhaps an enterprising writer could take up this opportunity to write an incendiary “Modest Proposal” -style piece about what a modern-day civil trial of Adolf Hitler here would look like. The scumbag lawyers and media types trying to get him off and make apologies for him, what he went through in WWI at the hands of the West and why we are to blame for his pathologies, etc. I’m serious, this would make great and extremely relevant satire.

Nov 15, 2009 - 10:29 am 38. Nedarc:

The defendants in the trial with the help of their ‘Friends’ Domestic & International, including the current White House, will force the prosecution to turn over a lot of information to our enemys that will weaken this Country and at the end of the trial, George W. Bush somehow will be blamed. New York City is the PERFECT place to have this trial for the ‘Obama administration’ !

Nov 15, 2009 - 10:35 am 39. Frank W:

Arthur 22, despite your personal feelings about how right and wrong should work, the simple fact is that these folks are NOT US citizens, and therefore are not entitled to a civil trial here any more than a Martian would be. Period.

Nov 15, 2009 - 10:35 am 40. Delia:

How do you find a jury of this cretin’s ‘peers’?

Whack!

4. robotech master,

Yep, America’s bowing buffoon is at it again:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu0A86TkwA0&feature=related

Nov 15, 2009 - 10:36 am 41. RickGreenvilleSC:

Turn these POS loose in the streets of NYC!! How long do you think they would last?Better yet, try them, convict them, execute them and bury them with pigs.. .no virgins for them. . How long till the people wake up and deal with all the craziness?

Nov 15, 2009 - 11:09 am 42. ic:

6. Mike2: “I bet George Bush wishes he had dealt with these guys earlier. He had 7 years to get them convicted and executed and blew it.”

Blame Bush. How stupid can you be. Bush didn’t blow it, the American people who elected Obama because they couldn’t stand Bush did. If you were one of these fools, you blew it.

Nov 15, 2009 - 11:11 am 43. Mr Lucky:

22. arthur.

“yes the gall of the government to actually prosecute the people who plotted the 9-11 terrorist attacks in a court of law!”

“…phony military trials…”

Are all military trials phony? How could there possible be a “phony military trial” with Obama as President? Is he not the Commander-in-Chief? Doesn’t the buck stop there? Is he not… Obama?

Are you equating Obama with Stalin?

“…amazing!”

Nov 15, 2009 - 11:24 am 44. Samizdat:

I am completely appaled by the motivation behind this decision to try these animals in a federal district court. Eric Holder has decided that these mass murderers should be afforded a forum in which they can espouse their “religous” philosophy and expose, via employment of the 5th, 6th and 14th amendments, the United States’ percieved sins.

There can be no doubt that there will be plenty of Kunstler anarchist ACLU criminal defense attorneys who will jump at the chance to represent vermin. They will file an endless stream of discovery motions seeking to uncover information that can be used to give our country as black a public eye as possible. Motions in limine will partially exclude some of the evidence, but you can be assured that it will be the US on trial, in addition to the terrorist scum. The ring leaders will take the stand so they can pontificate about the evil US, they have nothing to lose. The media will sensationalize all of the enemy testimony. In fact, this is probably the administrations gift to its media sycophants.

The actions of the Al Queda ring leaders were clearly military in nature. There should be no criminal trials, only actions before military courts. Indeed, there have already been admissions of guilt by Khalid Mohammed; why a criminal trial that won’t take place for years?
Why make NYC a target for another attack? Why cause the mudered’s family members to suffer through the arduous circus that is bound to ensue?

The administration mistakenly believes that self flagelation is necessary to set things right with the rest of the world. It also wishes to put the Bush administration on trial. That is the pernicious story behind what Attorney General Holder is doing here. Our country will spend tens of milliions of dollars on these trials and further risk it’s security. We will witness a spectacle.

What a feckless and corrupt group governs us now. What a disgustingly misguided bunch of fools they are.

Nov 15, 2009 - 12:58 pm 45. Samizdatc:

Arthur at 22,

What a sloppy piece of thinking. The actons of Al Queda were purely military. They declared war on us remember? They are not US Citizens. They are enemy combatants and they are entitled to the barest rights under the Geneva Convention. These scum bags are the lowest of the low. Yet you think they are entitled to full Constitutional protections! You would afford them far more than Tojo or Goering recieved. Your illogic is hard to fathom. I am baffled by the ignorance of your statement.

Like the Nazi infiltrators during WWII these men should be tried in a military court. Upon conviction they should be taken to a secluded and secure area far from anyone save the MP’s eyes where they should face a firing squad.

A trial in a civilian court is unnecessary and about as ill advised a thing as I can imagine. There is no legal reason for it, only political reasons.

Nov 15, 2009 - 1:26 pm 46. Muslim:

I’m not sure how this trial is going to weaken America. The more I see the Americans abiding by their great civil laws, the more confidence I and the majority of muslims regain in the free world.

Let me remind everyone that terroism knows no religion or borders. President George W. Bush used false execuses and fake reasons about Iraq having weapon of mass destruction to invade this country, destroy it, kill thousands of people, cost America devistating losses and force millions of Iraqis to become refugees. In addition, I’m really still in doubt that the terrorist attack on the twin towers was planed and executed by such a small group who breached all us securities without any assistance from some agents in both the FBI and CIA.Let’s not forget the important role the CIA played with the mujahedeen in Afganitan to win the war against the Russians. I have many other reasons for my doubts. The most ovbbious one is the collapse of building 7, the Third Skyscraper, in the same way the twin towers did but without being hit by an airplane!

Let this trial goes to the end and let the Americans proove to the whole world that they are still the leaders of the free world.

Nov 15, 2009 - 1:30 pm 47. misanthropicus:

Liar, liar pants on fire!

Holder demolished by Breitbart TV – 2006 video showing Obama supporting in the Senate the Military Commission Act (2006 – authorizing trials by military comission for violations of the law of war) –

You’ll love it:
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/11/senator_obama_in_2006_try_ksm.html

Nov 15, 2009 - 1:54 pm 48. "progressivewatch":

Attorney General Eric Holder/Obama/Soros plan for information which they will release during the three-ring circus, show trials to be used for bringing charges against people in the CIA and the Bush adminstration.

Nov 15, 2009 - 2:18 pm 49. Filthy Screw:

Just a media circus. He has many very stupid and evil things planned for the next three years until he is out of office and doesn’t want us to notice.

Nov 15, 2009 - 2:53 pm 50. Elliot:

Uh-huh. Since when has Islam been interested in laws made by man ? Since when has the interests of Islam been made more important than the will of the American people ? Who thinks that the US has to prove anything to petty dictatorships where human rights are non-existent ?

Nov 15, 2009 - 2:53 pm 51. Flash Hole:

Going back to this 9/10 mentality may not be so acceptable to voters these days, especially considering that we just saw where that kind of thinking can lead at Fort Hood.

You don’t understand; according to Obama, he won, so he thinks he can try anything he wants, even if it is utterly stupid.

Maybe with some luck, this trial in NY will get going around next November, and all the ugly details will cause voters to wise up and dismantle the current Democrats’ Congressional majority.

Nov 15, 2009 - 2:54 pm 52. Ex-SF:

Dear Muslim:

O guess that you are a ‘truther’. I doubt that you are a Muslim. But nevermind. Fish or fowl, we’ll get around to you sooner or later.

Nov 15, 2009 - 2:57 pm 53. Samizdat:

Muslim at 46,

You have to be kidding me. Many inteligence agencies thought Iraq had these weapons, including the Chinese and the British.

You display an extremely limited understanding of the US Constitution, and Federal Rules of Evidence, and ACLU type defense counsel when you state that you aren’t sure how the trial will weaken America. The trial will be a long, drawn out, circus complete with the filing of dozens and dozens of defense motions related to the uncovering of evidence and “Brady” material. The US will be on trial, you can be assured of that. There will most likely be appeals that will take further time and cause additional frustration for the 3000 families who suffered the murder of their innocent relatives at the hand of this human refuse.

Finally, you reveal yourself to be capable of believing just about any unsubstantiated theory if you believe that the CIA of FBI had a direct hand in aiding the combatants in their plot. Did the CIA and FBI screw up by failing to uncover the bombers scheme? You better believe it! Has there been any credible evidence that they participated in aiding and abetting the killers? None.

And by the way, we were leaders of the freeworld until relatively recently. I see little evidence that our current executive has much interest in promoting the concepts of freedom and liberty. If you think me wrong, go ask the Iranian, Venezuelan, or Honduran disidents about how much help they recieved from the US during their most recent attempts to rid themselves of tyrants.

Nov 15, 2009 - 3:10 pm 54. inmypajamas:

Muslim – “I’m really still in doubt”

No, you’re really still in denial. A group of Islamist terrorists took down the towers, end of story. Islam will never be fully trusted by the Western world until you and your fellow Muslims acknowledge the Islamist vipers at your breast and force them outside the realm of acceptable Muslim practice.

Oh, and Americans have nothing to prove to anyone. The thousands who come here daily in search of freedom and a new life know exactly who we are.

Nov 15, 2009 - 3:14 pm 55. Dave Surls:

“…the right way, the American way to do this, is to prosecute in a civil court of law, the wrong way is to go the totalitarian Stalin approach of no trails or phony military trials conducted in secrecy…”

That’s funny…secret trials in front of an ad hoc military court worked just fine for Roosevelt.

If it’s good enough for the liberals great demi-God…it’s good enough for me.

Nov 15, 2009 - 3:37 pm 56. Tresco:

Over at the Huffington Post they seem to believe that our “justice system” will triumph and the right verdict will be reached. It’s a hoot over there. They have this child like faith that terrorism is just another criminal matter. I commented that I would not want to be a jurror on that trial because it would be an invitation to have one’s family run throug a wood chipper and the collective response was that “we must protect our values” or some such santimonious drivel.

Nov 15, 2009 - 3:41 pm 57. Mkelley:

The lefties that run our government are granting these terrorists access to civilian courts and rights, yet our own soldiers must accept military justice when they get in trouble. This is nuts.
If they are going to show the world how great our justice system is, don’t they have to allow for the possibility of “innocent” verdicts? Though I would love the political ramifications of these animals being set free, the practical effects would be terrible. Also, who on God’s Earth are they going to con into being jurors for these trials? I guarantee the line to sign up for that duty is not very long.

Nov 15, 2009 - 3:49 pm 58. Samizdat:

inmypajamas at 54,

Well stated.

Muslims need to start standing up and confronting the rable in their midst. They need to start proving that Islam is a religon of peace and that they reject the talk of Caliphates and Muslim hegemony. Not everyone choses to believe as they do and they need to make accomodation for that in a hurry.

A few more terrorist incidents and the radicals are going to find out what happens when American patience runs out. Words are cheap. Action is required. It boils down to one word: Responsibility.

Nov 15, 2009 - 4:02 pm 59. KeeblerCracker:

It is getting really really obvious our POTUS is anti-white America.

Nov 15, 2009 - 4:18 pm 60. Sebastian Shaw:

President Obama is the Banana Republic president.

Nov 15, 2009 - 4:27 pm 61. Mike2:

42. ic:

I think you missed the whole point of my post, that being that the aim of Obama is not to try the terrorists but to try the Bush administration who, in good Stalinist fashion, they consider to be the real enemy. A little research on the Purges in Russia of the later 1930’s will serve to illustrate. For all of these people in the present administration it is the internal “enemies of the people” that pose the real danger to their power, not the terrorists or any enemy from outside. This is why Iran is not a real threat to them. Until people understand that, the method to their madness is unapparent. So, therefore I say that if the Bush administration had stood the terrorists up against the wall and shot them after a quick military tribunal this wouldn’t be going on.

Nov 15, 2009 - 4:29 pm 62. Anonymous:

I should explain to your Lordship what is meant by Crackers; a name they have got from being great boasters; they are a lawless set of rascalls on the frontiers of Virginia, Maryland, the Carolinas, and Georgia, who often change their places of abode.

Nov 15, 2009 - 4:34 pm 63. Mike2:

48. “progressivewatch”:

You got it exactly right. This mess has about as much to do with justice for the terrorists as “health care reform” has to do with improving the state of health care in this country. I am very cynical about the motives of Obama and his people.

Nov 15, 2009 - 4:34 pm 64. The Daily Zing:

Hmmm… This wouldn’t have anything to do with trying to publicly release more “top-secret” information regarding what Bush & Cheney knew, would it??

The only thing transparent about this administration is that we can all see directly through their b.s. Well, except for those who will be rewarded from this White House’s outlandish behavior (ie- anybody who does NOT pay taxes yet receives LOTS of benefits paid for by those who do pay taxes, aka the Conservatives).

We all know Obama & his little crooked buddies have to pay back their liberal cronies by prosecuting these TERRORISTS here in the U.S. so that it will make Bush & Cheney look bad.

I’m only 27 years old and I still can’t believe this is my country.

Nov 15, 2009 - 6:00 pm 65. John:

This is going to be an absolute disaster for Obama. The sheer stupidity of this exercise will come back to bite him.

Nov 15, 2009 - 6:08 pm 66. Tatterdemalian:

We’ll be lucky if a media circus is all they make out of it. I’m going to wager KSM and company will demand the right to represent themselves in court, so they will have to be given direct access to the entire mountain of evidence against them. Instead of forming a case based on said evidence, as a lawyer would do, they will instead comb through it for information on who the CIA infiltrators into Al Qaeda were who sold them out (guaranteed under the Eighth Amendment, the right to confront and cross-examine their accusers – ALL of them – in court). They will then pass every last shred of intel they gain to Al Qaeda, through stentographed image dead-drops on 4chan if need be, and we will promptly either be forced to extract, or lose, every last bit of intelligence we have on Osama bin Laden.

The fact that they will proceed to represent themselves so incompetently that they are almost certain to get a re-trial is just their way of rubbing our noses in our own superiority complex.

Nov 15, 2009 - 6:09 pm 67. Tatterdemalian:

SIXTH amendment. Jeez.

Nov 15, 2009 - 6:10 pm 68. Tatterdemalian:

Not to mention that I happily offered yet more evidence that I’ll happily post after reading only the headline, and only read the rest of the article (which was not only about the exact same subject, but even got the Amendment number right). Oh well, that’s why I’m a poster, not a blogger.

Nov 15, 2009 - 6:25 pm 69. myth buster:

I was under the impression that you couldn’t get a new trial for things that are your own fault. Personally, I’m inclined to believe that these men are going to use this as a forum to berate America and preach Islam.

Nov 15, 2009 - 6:44 pm 70. sasquatch:

Bolivia authorities are criticized from time to time over their actions regarding Che Guevara…..at this point, it would appear that they exercised the wisdom of Soloman.

Nov 15, 2009 - 7:24 pm 71. RDG:

All these killers will be acquited. No Miranda rights read, tortured into confession, improper jurisdiction, no proper extradition, circumstantial evidence at best, the real perps are already dead, jury of their peers (are you kidding? 12 people so brain dead they never heard of 9/11 or have no opinion on it), jury tampering to be announced. The odds are better than 90% for acquittal if these murderers let their lawyers do the work. We are doomed and just biding our time now waiting for the knockout punch.

Nov 15, 2009 - 8:07 pm 72. Muslim:

The comments posted after mine prove how much people need to know about Islam directly from Muslims who believe in the oneness of God and the oneness of humanity. According to the holy Koran, God created all people out of a single pair of a male and female and made us into nations and tribe so that we can meet to know each other; and the most honourable of of us is the one who is the most pious (Al-Hujrat, Chapter 49, verse 13). As it is the case in Islam about fighting in the name of God that can be used by foolish Muslims to kill discriminately, it is the case in the Old Testament about all the fights the children of Israel had to launch in the name of God and used foolishly by extremists and their supporters to kill not only Muslims but also Jews who do not share them their extremist beliefs. It is equally true about Christians fighing each other in the name of God throughout history and modern days. So I am really not denying the facts about Muslims being involved in the sad attack of 9/11, and I hope no one denys the facts about terrorism found and committed by the followers of other religions. All what I’m saying regarding my doubts in the 9/11 attack is the evidence about building 7 that collapsed in the same way as the twin towers without being hit by a plane raises a lot of suspicions about FBI and CIA agents helping them. Reflecting on the FBI centre that was bombed by an American in 1995 in Ohio supports my claim. So let’s not make anger and hate distract us from focusing on the facts to help justice served.

I’m not sure where an informed person can come with the idea that Muslims do not accept justice served on the basis of human made laws. It is true that Muslims are commended to abide to the Islamic laws when it is possible, but it is equally true that we are guided to seek justice under any laws. To support my claim, I would like those independent readers to do a little research about what our prophet Mohammad directed the early believers to do when justice was not served in the holy land of Mecca. He asked them to go to Al-Habasha, Ethiopia now, for there was a Christian King who ruled his country by justice and no one would be treated unfairly there. Early Muslims remained there enjoying their freedom for ten years before going back home. In addition, I’ve never come across any Muslim scholar claiming that we cannot seek justice under un-Islamic laws. To the contrary it is known to all educated Muslims that God gives strength and power to nonmulim countries who serve justice and take away the power from Muslims who do not serve justice. It is this fact that led many of us Muslims to leave our home countries and seek justice elsewhere. It is the fact that we have to run away from those dictators who do not serve justice according to Islamic teachings or any human made laws while they claim to be Muslims and strong believers of democracy! See, when it comes to our beliefs, to be a Muslim is to practice Islam not just to claim it. I know every religious person believe in this simple basic rule. That is why it is unfair to judge any religion on the basis of those who claim they follow its teachings.

For those who believe Americans do not have anything to prove to anyone, I say, in my opinion, we all have a lot of things to prove to each other when it comes to justice. No one should let his anger to miss this important point for anger may drive us astray and lead us to do foolish things as President George W. Bush did when he launched his bloody war in Iraq. Bloody reactions based on bloody actions and false information from FBI, CIA or whoever providing it to us will always keep us in an infinite loop of bloody fights.

Finally, I strongly agree that we Muslims need to stop those of us who are making this world unsafe due to their foolish understanding of Islam. But it is equally true that all nations need to stop those among them who are making this world precarious, in particular when it comes to leaders and governments. How much we can succeed depends on how much we can train ourselves to be open minded, approach each other, share our values and work together for a safer world. To those who doubt my identity as a Muslim for they may not have heard a Muslim say something like this before, I say I wish there is a way to prove to them that I am. However, I’m pretty sure if they look around they will find plenty of Muslims who hold similar positions to mine.

Nov 15, 2009 - 8:12 pm 73. Dr. Deano:

Arthur. As was mentioned, Al Qaeda declared war on the U.S. AQ, including KSM, prosecuted that war resulting the thousands of deaths and injuries to Americans and others. AQ prosecuted their war with no respect for the Geneva Conventions or accepted rules of war.

The U.S. was drawn by AQ leadership, including KSM, into a war not of its choosing – but legally and morally it is War just the same.

Now, why do you suppose the leaders of Japan in WWII were not tried in a civilian court in Hawaii for the bombing of Pearl Harbor? Wrong. After all the US was not at war with Japan at the time of the bombing, right?

Wrong. The bombing of Pearl Harbor was an unilateral act of war which began the war – just like the actions of AQ on 9/11, et al. The U.S. was at war with Japan from the moment the first Japanese aircraft released its first bomb over American territory.

AQ chose war – not us. It is morally and legally wrong to try KSM and others like him in civilian courts. They are war criminals by their own choosing.

This action by Obama and Holder is utterly, cravenly beneath contempt.

I believe that Obama’s action to try KSM, et al, in civilian courts will go down in history as the single most anti-American action even undertaken by a sitting President.

Nov 15, 2009 - 8:37 pm 74. Dr. Deano:

Regarding life, and my last comment, two “Wrongs” don’t make a right. Ignore the first “Wrong”…

Nov 15, 2009 - 8:49 pm 75. myth buster:

Muslim, it doesn’t matter what you say because we all know it’s taquiya. I don’t believe anything coming out of the mouth of someone who believes he has God’s approval to lie to me.

Nov 15, 2009 - 9:05 pm 76. narciso:

Seriously you’re not spreading 9/11 denialism on this blog, what about Surahs 5 and 9, just right off the start, when is the last time any of those Old Testament verses were used to justify mass murder. Or Khaybar and Yathrib. You’re saying an Arabia totally under the control of the Ilkwan would be a good thing, same for Egypt

Nov 15, 2009 - 9:12 pm 77. Samizdat:

Muslim at 72,

You would be more credible if you dropped the horsesh-#t argument about CIA FBI conspiracy, you have no facts to support you.

That being established, I share your goal of better relations between peoples. My country enjoys a peaceful relationship with the overwhelming majority of nations, which include many Muslim lands. I note that there are Muslim nations that are seeking to destroy other Muslim nations. I note that there is a Muslim nation that advocates the destruction of non muslim nations. It denies the right of other believers to practice religon as they please. This is wrong and unjust.

I expect that Muslims will oppose this oppression and take it upon themselves to straighten out those who are advocating jihad against my nation. If Islamists discipline those who seek conflict with other nations, then there will be no need for others to exercise themselves protectively. It comes down to that word again, responsibility.

Nov 15, 2009 - 9:37 pm 78. Gary Rosen:

“muslim” – Why don’t you quit pussyfooting around and come right out and blame it all on the Joooos? You know you want to.

Nov 15, 2009 - 9:57 pm 79. Dave Surls:

“…foolish things as President George W. Bush did when he launched his bloody war in Iraq.”

Yeah, that’s great, except President Bush didn’t launch any war in Iraq. The war started when Iraq attacked Kuwait….so you need to talk the Baathists about that one.

Nov 15, 2009 - 11:45 pm 80. Pragmatist:

How strange the PJM editors allow # 72 MUSLIM to post his/her Mohammedan propaganda on here without censorship but when those among us who know the real Islam try to enlighten people without ad hominem attacks on other posters or tu quoque we are censored. The smell of PC hypocrisy is overwhelming.

Nov 16, 2009 - 1:08 am 81. Pragmatist:

Islam is a cradle to grave TOTAL control CULT it allows no competition and its ultimate goal is world domination. It does not care how long it takes or by what means it is achieved , war, invasion, terrorism, assimilation, deceit, treachery, lies all are permissible in Islam as long as it is for the benefit and advancement of the CULT. Read the Koran and the a’hadith people its all there apart from the evidence of Muslim actions and deeds all over the world and the pronouncements of countless Muslim Clerics . What more do you need. No PC MC Islamophile woolly minded moonbatted left wing idiocy can or will change what Islam is and what Islam does.

Nov 16, 2009 - 1:14 am 82. Matthew:

“But people who wrongly think that either military commissions or detention without trial are unjust will not be satisfied with some detainees getting civilian trials”

Um, that’s quite a claim. Can anyone explain why he thinks that? It seems a bit ridiculous.

Maybe a few people should take a deep breath and calm down.

There are only two likely outcomes -

(a) The guy is convicted and eventually gets the lethal injection (or whatever they’ll be doing by then). The upshot will be a highly scrutinized, completely open trial which will answer the obvious criticism about the US not wanting to eat its own cooking (viz democracy, the rule of law and all that).

(b) The guy is acquitted, and he walks out of the court into a pack of marines and finds himself on his way straight back to guantanamo. The prez and AG look like right berks, they eat humble pie and start over again. There are enough charges against this guy that they can leave a couple up their sleeve, just in case.

There is no way he walks free. Not a chance. Even if there WAS a chance, he’s not a US citizen anyway, so he’d be immediately deported to a country that will simply shoot him.

The absolute hysteria about this, to me, indicates just one thing – that you’re all furious that somebody might dare to show up bush’s grand plan as the unnecessary fiasco that it was. If this does go ahead (as it will), and he’s found guilty (as he almost certainly will – because, you know, he DID IT), then the previous 8 years’ stuffing around is going to look dishonest and pointless.

Personally, I think this move is probably unnecessary (a proper military trial would have sufficed), but it is impressive.

Nov 16, 2009 - 1:27 am 83. Pragmatist:

# 72 MUSLIM’s post just goes to prove what I say in my post #81. TAQQIYA or LIES are specifically allowed if not encouraged to advance or protect Islam and that is MUSLIM’s sole purpose of posting on here. Muslims also say the Koran CANNOT be understood completely in any other language except the Primitive AMBIGUOUS Arabic in which it is written and which they run and hid behind BECAUSE of its AMBIGUITY and which completely negates its OWN claim to be ‘Clear and EASILY understood’ which it quite patently is not. In fact in 1400+ years there is not ONE Universally approved translation so much for being for all men for all time. Apart from that it is repetitious, misogynistic, violent, anti semitic, full of contradictions and mistakes. Muslims also say that some verses are literal and some allegorical but ask and they cannot or will not tell you which is which and WHO decides.

Nov 16, 2009 - 1:44 am 84. Benson:

What a can of worms! Briefly:

1. “Muslim” and “arthur” provide here a tiny sample of what is in store.

2. Perhaps a new category of evildoer should be created, based to some extent on the precedent provided by pirates: not common criminals, not enemies of the nation and warriors on the battlefield, but assailants to be tried by a new type of tribunal located outside the USA (i.e., at Gitmo). The bad guys don’t play by the rules and don’t fit into our common understanding of defendants, so we design a court/tribunal that can simply deal with evidence and decide guilt. Part military, part civilian? Maybe. In any event, no grandstanding allowed, no secrets revealed. The proceeding could be videotaped for later release to show the world what happened — not that it would change any minds or prove anything surprising to anyone.

3. Punishment? For the guilty, life in confinement without any hope of release. Worse than death…for Koran-believing fanatics. Cut them off from contact with the outside world, keep them in undisclosed locations, and let nature take its course.

4. For critics of the entire process, a blank stare and no other response. The bad guys did what they did; we caught them and did what we did; end of report. Again, nobody’s mind will be changed by any of it (a concept I’m sure Obama and his familiars would reject, as they seem intent on proving or demonstrating something). IMHO the goals should be to punish these evil people for what they did, and prevent them from doing it again. Anything else is nonsense.

Nov 16, 2009 - 2:36 am 85. Pragmatist:

MOHO was given good advice by a poster on another thread to change his name as his Troll efficiency was compromised because many people knew his mistakes and admissions so just laughed at him. So welcome back MOHO AKA MUSLIM.

Nov 16, 2009 - 3:15 am 86. Samizdat:

Mathew at 82,

You are completely ignoring what actually will happen with a trial in District Court. The Rules of Procedure and Rules of Evidence will not be modified for these defendants. They will be available for full employment by defense counsel. Due to the political nature of the motivation behind these attacks, these defendants crave a forum which a military court would have denied them. They have it now thanks to the bungling “cunning” of AG Holder.

Your response shows that you don’t understand how the Federal courts work or how a military tribunal would have worked. This is going to be a complete mess. The political goals behind this decision are transparent. Holder and his boss are out to politically damage the previous administration and are going to use these trials to attempt to accomplish this result. This is a complete misuse of the Federal courts. These defendants have qualified themselves for justice in a far less political forum, the military tribunal. These animals are no different from Goering or Tojo and deserve no different treatment. This may be the most wrong headed decision yet made by this administration. I am stunned by how poor it is on multiple levels.

Nov 16, 2009 - 4:53 am 87. Paul -Indiana:

#75. Well said.

Nov 16, 2009 - 5:18 am 88. Paul C.:

Ayers, Dorn, Weathermen, Panthers blowing up GI’s and killing cops. Puerto Rican terrorists robbing and murdering. Radical gays saying unprotected sex is a attack in the war for sexual freedom. Now Obama uses the courts as a venue FOR Islamists pirates and terrorists that should be hung without trial, or shot on the battlefield, and willing so by way better men, but now lead by political correct donkey’s of PC ‘officers’.

For Obama, the left, any enemy of Americans, and Americanism is an allie. For fifty, or more years, any opportunity to rip down, subvert, is not to be wasted. The long burrowing through the institutions is mostly complete. Big business led by counting cowards. The Joint Chief, a Oprah Wimphy/Dr. Phil apologists of the MURDER of his own troops( Oh, that he would have the decency of gun and moment of moral clarity in his own den!).

Ayers, telling went into education. He and others now run the mind shaping farms of government education of young people, now so dumb, so ill and un informed as to not even know, and the more elite the institution, the worse they are.

Obama is not the disease, he is but one of the symptoms.

Nov 16, 2009 - 6:53 am 89. Michael T:

Isn’t it apparent that Obama is an islamic sleeper?

Nov 16, 2009 - 8:50 am 90. PaulM:

Where will the Court in New York City get jurors who are willing to risk their lives by being a juror in a trial of assassins, whose accomplices are still at large? How will it be possible to keep a juror with a hidden agenda, i.e. acquittal, from serving? Lack of unanimity on the part of a jury in the federal system, necessitates a mistrial (no decision). The trial will be in the press, not in the courtroom. However, the Obama administration may well have miscalculated. The public reaction to a seemingly endless trial procedure, forcibly called to their daily attention by media hype, may well add to the growing discontent with the Obama Administration and control of Congress by the same party.

Nov 16, 2009 - 9:18 am 91. Maurice:

These guys should be vulture meat, swinging on a yard-arm, in a small courtyard just outside of Gitmo, directly between the cell windows and Mecca, so that the others can see their fate five times each day.

I refuse to believe this Administration represents a majority of the American people.

Nov 16, 2009 - 10:04 am 92. Dave:

If George Washington and Nathaniel Greene were alive today, they’d be closing in on Washington D.C. from the north and the south, with Marion harassing the western suburbs, rooting out the sniveling yellow D.C. elites…….

Nov 16, 2009 - 10:07 am 93. Tina Trent:

Samizdat: thank you for raising the truly important points. From jury selection onward, this trial will devolve into yet another ritualized display of contempt for the facts that all big trials have become, thanks to the defense bar’s appellate perversion of rules of evidence and procedure.

Think OJ. That really showed the world the dignity and principles of our courts. And jurors.

Nov 16, 2009 - 10:18 am 94. Samizdat:

Tina Trent at 93,

Thank you for the compliment.

I note that troll traffic has been rather light re the decision made by the Holder- Obama tandem. Perhaps they sense the disaster to come and the negative light it will cast upon the tut tuting ACLU types and other hate my countryites who constitute the lefty fringe of our political spectrum. These people have truely overreached this time and they are going to regret this irrational choice. As the process unfolds, Holder may have to walk the plank, something he may not have considered. Obama will sacrifice him in a hurry to save his own skin

This is going to be uglier than OJ’s trial. If I were defense counsel I would be licking my chops. Wait until Obama’s and Holder’s own words are used in Motions To Supress where they have each described waterboarding as torture. Wait until the District Court judge rules that the defense must be allowed to depose CIA agents who participated in enhanced interogation. I could go on and on and on. Make no mistake that under the rules the defendants will have a cornucopia of rights that would have been unavailable to them in a military court setting.

I reiterate; that this is amoung the worst decisions I have seen our government make in my life time. I am shocked that the man who waxed eloquent on the Senate floor about the virtues of trying KSM via a military proceeding has decided not to follow the law that he actually voted for. I can not fathom his thinking, for he is not a dumb man.

Nov 16, 2009 - 12:07 pm 95. kochevnik:

73@Dr. Deano:

Al Qaeda is a database. You can keep bleating like a sheep it won’t change the fact that you are lying.

54@inmypajamas:
>No, you’re really still in denial. A group of Islamist
>terrorists took down the towers,

And what proof do you have?

Nov 16, 2009 - 3:00 pm 96. Samizdat:

Kochevnik at 95,

You must have done some great double speak in your days working with the KGB. Al Qaeda is a collection of Islamist totalitarians bent on establishing a world wide caliphate.

Your second statement is bizare given that members of Al Qaeda have explicitly admited that they planned and executed the attack.

Nov 16, 2009 - 4:07 pm 97. Aaron:

@PaulM: Where will the Court in New York City get jurors who are willing to risk their lives by being a juror in a trial of assassins, whose accomplices are still at large?

New Yorkers are known for a variety of unsavory things, some of them even true, but I don’t believe cowardice is one of them. We saw the towers burning with our own eyes and smelled the smoke for days, unlike most of the mamby-pamby chickenhawk crybabies I see on this site. We’ll throw the book at this scumbag and put him away for life. Everyone I know will be begging for a chance to be on that jury.

Nov 16, 2009 - 4:34 pm 98. Samizdat:

For those still following this thread,

Read Pat Buchanan’s excellent column at Worldnet Daily about the upcoming trial/circus. He is correct that the treatment of the killers advocated by Holder and his Boss is completely inconsistent with a war footing which they demonstrate we are on in two theaters every day.

It is actually intellectually pathetic to see the disconect between obvious war and the Administration’s denial of it’s existence in it’s chosen treatment of KSM. It goes to show just how overated all that Columbia Harvard crap happens to be when you get away from the lables. President Obama is supposed to be the smartest ever. We heard the same platitudes about Carter. The policy is proving just how empty the legacy media’s rhetoric is. What a waste of obvious talent. Smart has nothing to do with educated.

Nov 16, 2009 - 7:27 pm 99. William:

I can’t wait until KSM asks the judge for a recess so he can roll out his carpet and pray. Then he will ask for a mistrial because there is no mark on the wall the mark the direction of Mecca.

Nov 17, 2009 - 6:40 am 100. loco36:

Thank goodness the precedent has been set by Obama/Holder. We can rest assured they will be held accountable by the succeeding administraion.

Nov 17, 2009 - 8:21 am