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		<title>By: I.M. Copper</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/lakers-riots-an-embarrassment-for-lapd/comment-page-1/#comment-307426</link>
		<dc:creator>I.M. Copper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 05:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No. 31, Andrew is correct and helps make a valid point - fear and passivity prevailed in Oakland in January 2009, just like it did in Los Angeles.  Tragically in Oakland two months later on March 21, 2009, an armed parolee-at-large, shot and killed four Oakland police officers!  Is one related to the other?  If laws were enforced properly  in Oakland weeks earlier could those four officers be alive today, along with the suspect?  Who knows?  The point is it&#039;s a slippery slope when liberal sanctuary cities politically pick and chose which laws to enforce due to fear, passivity, leadership paralysis and above all - political correctness.  Laws are meant to be enforced and sworn members exist that have taken an oath to enforce those laws and the Constitution of the United States and the State of California.  There is such a thing as discretion, but members of society, to include police officers and Chiefs, should be held accountable for their actions and in the above cases - inactions!  

Granted, sometimes arresting demonstrators looks bad.  Crowd control or arresting people that don&#039;t want to be arrested usually does look awful on video.  It is a difficult and politically risky business with no real upside for a police manager.  Why an uprising police manager want to be in charge?  Think about why an  Area police captain was kept in charge of the Laker&#039;s victory melee when there were at least four senior staff officers, that outranked the Area Captain at the scene that should have taken Incident Command?  Easy answer: Why be in charge for a potential mess when our &quot;Ollie North, Fall Guy&quot; (Captain C. or Lieutenant Y) will remain in formal command and will certainly be made to take all the negative fallout, should/when it occurs.  Political survival outweighs all-especially in the politically correct, new LAPD!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No. 31, Andrew is correct and helps make a valid point &#8211; fear and passivity prevailed in Oakland in January 2009, just like it did in Los Angeles.  Tragically in Oakland two months later on March 21, 2009, an armed parolee-at-large, shot and killed four Oakland police officers!  Is one related to the other?  If laws were enforced properly  in Oakland weeks earlier could those four officers be alive today, along with the suspect?  Who knows?  The point is it&#8217;s a slippery slope when liberal sanctuary cities politically pick and chose which laws to enforce due to fear, passivity, leadership paralysis and above all &#8211; political correctness.  Laws are meant to be enforced and sworn members exist that have taken an oath to enforce those laws and the Constitution of the United States and the State of California.  There is such a thing as discretion, but members of society, to include police officers and Chiefs, should be held accountable for their actions and in the above cases &#8211; inactions!  </p>
<p>Granted, sometimes arresting demonstrators looks bad.  Crowd control or arresting people that don&#8217;t want to be arrested usually does look awful on video.  It is a difficult and politically risky business with no real upside for a police manager.  Why an uprising police manager want to be in charge?  Think about why an  Area police captain was kept in charge of the Laker&#8217;s victory melee when there were at least four senior staff officers, that outranked the Area Captain at the scene that should have taken Incident Command?  Easy answer: Why be in charge for a potential mess when our &#8220;Ollie North, Fall Guy&#8221; (Captain C. or Lieutenant Y) will remain in formal command and will certainly be made to take all the negative fallout, should/when it occurs.  Political survival outweighs all-especially in the politically correct, new LAPD!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 02:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Downtown Oakland on multiple nights in January 2009. Same program, different reason. But the same type of institutionally compelled response among the police command. Fear and passivity. Containment until forced to confront....but by then way too late. 

Rinse and repeat. A darn shame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Downtown Oakland on multiple nights in January 2009. Same program, different reason. But the same type of institutionally compelled response among the police command. Fear and passivity. Containment until forced to confront&#8230;.but by then way too late. </p>
<p>Rinse and repeat. A darn shame.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul -Indiana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul -Indiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They won ... so they riot.  There&#039;s a 6 letter word for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They won &#8230; so they riot.  There&#8217;s a 6 letter word for that.</p>
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		<title>By: iowavette</title>
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		<dc:creator>iowavette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Los Angeles reaps what it sows.  No sympathy forthcoming from this quarter.

Another interesting comparison:  Occasionally a few beer cans are thrown but this kind of public display never occurs at NASCAR functions.  Big city metrosexuals could clearly learn something from the much-maligned redneck segment of the U. S. population.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Los Angeles reaps what it sows.  No sympathy forthcoming from this quarter.</p>
<p>Another interesting comparison:  Occasionally a few beer cans are thrown but this kind of public display never occurs at NASCAR functions.  Big city metrosexuals could clearly learn something from the much-maligned redneck segment of the U. S. population.</p>
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		<title>By: Ole Sarge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ole Sarge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 02:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sick of you East Coasters,

I agree with that, I was leaving down town dallas after a Texas OU game, some drunk white guy grabbed me as I was driving slowly through the crowd after it was over, hollering about his team, I gave a non commental remark, he hollered for his cronies to come deal with me, he failed to realize that when he was doing that I was reaching for my .45, fortunately they were to busy being drunk to care and so peace prevailed.

Made us both happy, he just was not smart enough to realize it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sick of you East Coasters,</p>
<p>I agree with that, I was leaving down town dallas after a Texas OU game, some drunk white guy grabbed me as I was driving slowly through the crowd after it was over, hollering about his team, I gave a non commental remark, he hollered for his cronies to come deal with me, he failed to realize that when he was doing that I was reaching for my .45, fortunately they were to busy being drunk to care and so peace prevailed.</p>
<p>Made us both happy, he just was not smart enough to realize it.</p>
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		<title>By: Sick of you East Coasters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sick of you East Coasters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 00:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meant write</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant write</p>
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		<title>By: Sick of you East Coasters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sick of you East Coasters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 00:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Thomson, you are a piece of c*** for the stupid comments you make towards hispanics. Last year in Boston after the Celtics won the NBA title, they looted, violence was in the streets and one person even died. Whats the difference? Color. Thats it. The punkasssses in Boston &quot;Are passionate&quot; while the Laker fans &quot;Are thugs&quot; Same crap different day. And for you to insult an entire race shows your stupidity. And Alex Bensky, very funny. You take 500 people out of a million and you right your little sarcastic remarks. Cowards and panic stricken punks..all of you. And If &quot;Good White people are leaving in droves&quot; then fine..go. It shows a lack of huevos and it also shows you dont have the same manifest destiny mentallity your ancestors had. Go to a Philadelphia Eagles game and get stomped on...Passionate. Go to A Raiders game...Thugs and gang Bangers. Hypocrites. That good ole american spirit still lives..just not as confrontational. Kepp writing. 
By The Way, the looters were drunk stupid assessss and they dont represent anyone but themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Thomson, you are a piece of c*** for the stupid comments you make towards hispanics. Last year in Boston after the Celtics won the NBA title, they looted, violence was in the streets and one person even died. Whats the difference? Color. Thats it. The punkasssses in Boston &#8220;Are passionate&#8221; while the Laker fans &#8220;Are thugs&#8221; Same crap different day. And for you to insult an entire race shows your stupidity. And Alex Bensky, very funny. You take 500 people out of a million and you right your little sarcastic remarks. Cowards and panic stricken punks..all of you. And If &#8220;Good White people are leaving in droves&#8221; then fine..go. It shows a lack of huevos and it also shows you dont have the same manifest destiny mentallity your ancestors had. Go to a Philadelphia Eagles game and get stomped on&#8230;Passionate. Go to A Raiders game&#8230;Thugs and gang Bangers. Hypocrites. That good ole american spirit still lives..just not as confrontational. Kepp writing.<br />
By The Way, the looters were drunk stupid assessss and they dont represent anyone but themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My advice to everyone - study Portland. If you want to know fear for ALL of our futures go and research EVERYTHING you can find about what is happening in Portland.

Chicago and Freddoso&#039;s book against Obama are a case study about the politics that is taking over but Portland and the Portland Plan are the harbinger of what the left REALLY plans to inflict on all of us - a more encompassing version of Eurotrashapean Eco-fascism.. 

It&#039;s not just the political correctness run amok. That&#039;s the least of it.

Portland has for a few years been the experimental model for the proper Green, Global Warming-defined, eco-dictatorship that is planned for the rest of the USA and all the West. Think Orwell as defined by Al Gore.

The city has basically bought up all the land anywhere near the city and banned the construction of single-family homes, mandated that all new development be large apartment units along mass transit lines, the elimination of freeways into the city and the increasing elimination of the car itself and reducing air traffic.

The city is working towards almost total control over every aspect of energy usage (the whole &quot;remote control of residential thermostats&quot; experiment is being implemented there). They are setting locations, sizes, and content of food service and grocery providers. All sorts of sensor technology is being worked up to monitor the citizenry to insure compliance with city mandates. 

We are getting a lot of stuff fed back here in Wisconsin as our governor makes constant trips out there and brings back these crap ideas for implementation here. We have had all of these &quot;ideas&quot; used to create a plan that is being ironed out by our state fascists in Madison (THE PEOPLE&quot;S REPUBLIC OF) that will turn Wisconsin into the test state for Eco-fascism and all of it is based on what they are learning in Portland. 

Some of it would be funny like attempting to catch cow flatulence  - except that they indicate they will try to setup dietary restrictions on us if they can&#039;t reduce agricultural carbon. Mandates for Mercury-filled CFL bulbs. Mandates on the number and types of cars that can be sold. Banning the licensing of older cars. Construction and zoning mandates to favor apartments and mass transit and reducing single family home construction. Controls on aviation travel to move people to the &quot;high speed&quot; trains. It gets worse as they also have a plan to force people out of older, less energy efficient homes in a way that breaks the bank enough to put them into apartments forever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My advice to everyone &#8211; study Portland. If you want to know fear for ALL of our futures go and research EVERYTHING you can find about what is happening in Portland.</p>
<p>Chicago and Freddoso&#8217;s book against Obama are a case study about the politics that is taking over but Portland and the Portland Plan are the harbinger of what the left REALLY plans to inflict on all of us &#8211; a more encompassing version of Eurotrashapean Eco-fascism.. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not just the political correctness run amok. That&#8217;s the least of it.</p>
<p>Portland has for a few years been the experimental model for the proper Green, Global Warming-defined, eco-dictatorship that is planned for the rest of the USA and all the West. Think Orwell as defined by Al Gore.</p>
<p>The city has basically bought up all the land anywhere near the city and banned the construction of single-family homes, mandated that all new development be large apartment units along mass transit lines, the elimination of freeways into the city and the increasing elimination of the car itself and reducing air traffic.</p>
<p>The city is working towards almost total control over every aspect of energy usage (the whole &#8220;remote control of residential thermostats&#8221; experiment is being implemented there). They are setting locations, sizes, and content of food service and grocery providers. All sorts of sensor technology is being worked up to monitor the citizenry to insure compliance with city mandates. </p>
<p>We are getting a lot of stuff fed back here in Wisconsin as our governor makes constant trips out there and brings back these crap ideas for implementation here. We have had all of these &#8220;ideas&#8221; used to create a plan that is being ironed out by our state fascists in Madison (THE PEOPLE&#8221;S REPUBLIC OF) that will turn Wisconsin into the test state for Eco-fascism and all of it is based on what they are learning in Portland. </p>
<p>Some of it would be funny like attempting to catch cow flatulence  &#8211; except that they indicate they will try to setup dietary restrictions on us if they can&#8217;t reduce agricultural carbon. Mandates for Mercury-filled CFL bulbs. Mandates on the number and types of cars that can be sold. Banning the licensing of older cars. Construction and zoning mandates to favor apartments and mass transit and reducing single family home construction. Controls on aviation travel to move people to the &#8220;high speed&#8221; trains. It gets worse as they also have a plan to force people out of older, less energy efficient homes in a way that breaks the bank enough to put them into apartments forever.</p>
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		<title>By: I.M. Copper</title>
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		<dc:creator>I.M. Copper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is more than fair and accurate to write there was a failure of the LAPD to properly plan, foresee, deploy, and react to yet another crowd control situation.  It is not only unfortunate, but it should be viewed with disgust that a pre-planned event, such as a possible Laker’s victory to win the NBA Championship-especially because of what occurred in years past-was essentially left to one-hundred officers from the downtown area to handle.  This error in judgment and poor planning, especially in a city and with a police department that has experienced failure after failure in crowd control situations has now become the norm. 

The Los Angeles media, along with many LAPD staff officers care less than nothing about the eight officers injured.  Nothing has been mentioned since that night in any medium.  I argue that at least some of their injuries were primarily due to management&#039;s faulty planning and purposeful under deployment.  If asked, it is likely management would report that sometimes officers are injured doing their job and injuries are expected.  The hundreds of officers working hundreds of thousands of dollars of overtime that night, the loss of equipment, the hasty reallocation of resources from throughout the city to take care of this mess, the blow to morale-again-and the terminal spin control of yet another failed mission of the LAPD is now common place.  Where is the union that speaks for the officers of the Department?  Aren’t they upset their members were injured? 
 
It is necessary to understand that when the LAPD calls for hundreds of officers to a situation such as this, other portions of the city are left with minimal or dangerous amounts of patrol officers to respond to &quot;their&quot; calls.  So, not only does it make for an embarrassment because the LAPD cannot take care of a minor uprising like this one, but the officers from the Harbor to the Valley, and the West Side are called in-away from their neighborhoods-to once again help restore order to a mini-riot should that never should have been allowed to occur.  

I wrongfully believed the LAPD was better than that. When will I learn?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is more than fair and accurate to write there was a failure of the LAPD to properly plan, foresee, deploy, and react to yet another crowd control situation.  It is not only unfortunate, but it should be viewed with disgust that a pre-planned event, such as a possible Laker’s victory to win the NBA Championship-especially because of what occurred in years past-was essentially left to one-hundred officers from the downtown area to handle.  This error in judgment and poor planning, especially in a city and with a police department that has experienced failure after failure in crowd control situations has now become the norm. </p>
<p>The Los Angeles media, along with many LAPD staff officers care less than nothing about the eight officers injured.  Nothing has been mentioned since that night in any medium.  I argue that at least some of their injuries were primarily due to management&#8217;s faulty planning and purposeful under deployment.  If asked, it is likely management would report that sometimes officers are injured doing their job and injuries are expected.  The hundreds of officers working hundreds of thousands of dollars of overtime that night, the loss of equipment, the hasty reallocation of resources from throughout the city to take care of this mess, the blow to morale-again-and the terminal spin control of yet another failed mission of the LAPD is now common place.  Where is the union that speaks for the officers of the Department?  Aren’t they upset their members were injured? </p>
<p>It is necessary to understand that when the LAPD calls for hundreds of officers to a situation such as this, other portions of the city are left with minimal or dangerous amounts of patrol officers to respond to &#8220;their&#8221; calls.  So, not only does it make for an embarrassment because the LAPD cannot take care of a minor uprising like this one, but the officers from the Harbor to the Valley, and the West Side are called in-away from their neighborhoods-to once again help restore order to a mini-riot should that never should have been allowed to occur.  </p>
<p>I wrongfully believed the LAPD was better than that. When will I learn?</p>
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		<title>By: arhooley</title>
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		<dc:creator>arhooley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 06:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the spirit of #7 and #15:

&gt;&gt;Believe it or not, there are some in the highest ranks of the LAPD who would rather see stores looted and cars vandalized than see their own careers jeopardized by an incident that might in any way resemble what happened in MacArthur Park two years ago.


I&#039;m more inclined to believe this than to believe the opposite, since effective cops and firefighters in L.A. are punished for high-profile effectiveness at crimestopping. Can&#039;t remember the name of that clown firefighter who sued his own department about two years ago for a dog food prank. In a move that had &quot;nothing whatsoever&quot; to do with race, the fire chief, of a certain race, was canned and replaced by a chief of another certain race.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the spirit of #7 and #15:</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;Believe it or not, there are some in the highest ranks of the LAPD who would rather see stores looted and cars vandalized than see their own careers jeopardized by an incident that might in any way resemble what happened in MacArthur Park two years ago.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m more inclined to believe this than to believe the opposite, since effective cops and firefighters in L.A. are punished for high-profile effectiveness at crimestopping. Can&#8217;t remember the name of that clown firefighter who sued his own department about two years ago for a dog food prank. In a move that had &#8220;nothing whatsoever&#8221; to do with race, the fire chief, of a certain race, was canned and replaced by a chief of another certain race.</p>
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