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1. Wearyman:

“Let’s take some pride in Obama’s Election.” - Michele Catalano

“No.” - Me

I refuse to take pride in THE MSM hoodwinking the people into electing a Socialist based on the color of his skin. It’s shameful , stupid, and suicidal. I’m more EMBARASSED for America now than I have ever been. Welcome to Jimmy Carter part two people.

Now, if you will excuse me, I need to look into dissolving my 401K and dumping it into something offshore before B. Hussein Obama and his buddies in congress can start taxing it all away.

The economic collapse starts now.

Nov 5, 2008 - 5:04 am 2. Anonymous:

Why take pride in an affirmative action president where no standards were applied towards qualification

Nov 5, 2008 - 5:11 am 3. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Michele Catalano
RE: Something?

Yes, we have a new president. We have a Democrat president. But we have a black president, and that’s an important distinction to make, because it means something. — Michele Catalano

Indeed. It means a LOT of things. And in many different ways.

I don’t care what color of skin a man has. I served in an organization where one famous First Sergeant told the Annual Grand Inquisition (AGI)….

When I look at that formation, I don’t see red, brown, yellow, black or white. All I see is GREEN.

In light of that, I find it an interesting fixation on the part of some people that ‘we have a Black president’ so important. I suspect something to do with a form of racism.

After all….

….you mention it TWICE in your first two paragraphs.

RE: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly

The Good:

• No one can point to this nation and say, “Racists”

I can’t think of much more than that. And, by the way, I think Jesse Owens would have deserved recognition in your aria as well.

The Bad:

• We have a president who sat through 20 years of unadulterated racism
• We have a president who hobnobs with people who hate this country and attacked it
• We have a president who the peoples of the world how hate US love

The Ugly:

• Is yet to be revealed but we have a president who has indicated he will do a repeat of history vis-a-vis Viet Nam, in Iraq.

And if that DOES happen. And we see in Iraq and Afghanistan the same thing we watched in Cambodia and Viet Nam and Laos….

….will you have so much ‘pride’ then?

How will you wash away ALL that blood from your hands?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. If you find a way, Lady MacBeth would like to hear from you.

Nov 5, 2008 - 5:28 am 4. Matt, Esq.:

Sorry his skin color is now and will forever be “irrelevant”. The only thing the American people did last night was elect the most unqualified liberal shady machine politician in the history of this country. There is NO pride in electing Obama “because he’s black.” And I know that’s all I’m going to hear on conservative sites all day long.

Do you really think electing a black man has changed race relations in the slightest ?? Its NEVER been about the lack of opportunity for blacks, its ALWAYS been about hard work, dedication and the understanding that nobody owes you anything.

Nov 5, 2008 - 5:39 am 5. r.conn:

Quota boy?

Nov 5, 2008 - 5:39 am 6. R a Z o R:

Being a color blind American ,congratulations to

Obama and all of his supporters .

The 2012 campaign as just begun and I hope it is

MITT ROMNEY .
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………………. MITT ROMNEY …………….
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Nov 5, 2008 - 5:42 am 7. Lisa:

What did we learn in this election?

That a black man, a yellow man, a red man can all be President.

Who can’t?

Women.

Obama ran a sexist campaign. The media inundated us with sexism. It was rewarded.

Nov 5, 2008 - 5:42 am 8. bs:

My country, South Africa, has had a couple of black presidents now, largely due to American pressure. I must say, it hasn’t worked out all that well, for us or our neighbour, Rhodesia. Come to that, it hasn’t worked out well for any country that’s tried it, so far. Maybe you’ll be luckier. Maybe this time…

I wouldn’t count on it, though. You are about to get a valuable education. I pray that you will learn from it.

And let me forestall the avalanche of name-calling that I know is coming. Yes, I am a racist. The name offends me not at all. Everybody who has lived in Africa is a racist, black or white. That is, we are not deceived into believing that all races are the same. Experience is a great teacher.

You have elected a man who despises your culture, who uses lawyers’ tricks to subvert your democratic process, who has the thinnest resume of any President to date, and whose record (such as it is) is the most radical. All in the Hope! of absolution from your sin of racism. Well, I’m afraid there will be no absolution. Your race problems are not over. They’re just beginning.

Believe me, I say that with no malice. I love the American people. I have two generations of descendants in America. I don’t blame the American people for what their government did to my country. Well, now they’re doing it to you, too. I hope you can recover.

I know most of you hate me now, and I’ll try to live with that somehow. But remember what I’ve said, and check back with me in four years.

Nov 5, 2008 - 5:43 am 9. Lisa:

Did you catch who Obama left out in this list?

“It’s the answer spoken by young and old, rich and poor, Democrat and Republican, black, white, Hispanic, Asian, Native American, gay, straight, disabled and not disabled. Americans who sent a message to the world that we have never been just a collection of individuals or a collection of red states and blue states.”

Nov 5, 2008 - 5:45 am 10. John B:

Welcome to the United Socialistic States Of America ~!

Nov 5, 2008 - 5:45 am 11. Everett Parker:

His race is irrelevant. His politics aren’t. He will not be my president and never will be.

Nov 5, 2008 - 5:47 am 12. Antigone:

As a former life-long Dem, I’ve been on the side of many losing candidacies before, probably more than you have since you have voted Repub in the past. I supported Hillary in the primaries, and watched her be pushed aside by the machinations of the Obama campaign and the DNC. I understand that Obama is inspirational to many people, but frankly I find his supporters to be rather creepy and cultlike, and it’s even scarier that the MSM is in the tank for him, not to mention the Dem majority in Congress. Who is going to keep this man honest? If past is precedent, every criticism will be met with cries of “Raaaacist!”

To me he is an arrogant, corrupt empty suit with dubious associations. I respect the office of the Presidency, but not this man. I have faith that America will survive, not because of Obama but in spite of him. I believe in the American people. We will get through this somehow.

Nov 5, 2008 - 5:51 am 13. Eric R.:

It’s easy for you to say, Comrade Catalano.

You are not the one whose freedom of speech is going to be taken away.

Nov 5, 2008 - 5:52 am 14. Xanthippe:

I’m holding Obama supporters to Obama’s promise to heal the divide in America. I’m not holding my breath on that, however.

Nov 5, 2008 - 5:54 am 15. Antigone:

Women, Lisa. Do I get a prize now? Maybe a Unity Pony?

Nov 5, 2008 - 6:08 am 16. RE:

The entitlement mentality has eclipsed the traditional American work ethic.

It will be interesting to watch the Democrat hostility to producers and job providers trickles though the economy.

We already have 47 million who pay no taxes. That’s 47 million ‘takers’. Not good. Not good at all.

Nov 5, 2008 - 6:10 am 17. Lisa:

Antigone

How about a link to a great site?

thenewagenda.net

Nov 5, 2008 - 6:24 am 18. Chuck Pelto:

TO: RE
RE: Entitlement Mentality

The entitlement mentality has eclipsed the traditional American work ethic. — RE

Indeed. I’m reminded of what de Tocquville warned us….

The American Republic will endure until the Congress discovers it can bribe the American people with their own money.Comte Alexander de Tocquville, On Democracy in America, 1830

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Welcome to the Party, PAL! -- Bruce Willis in Die Hard]

Nov 5, 2008 - 6:34 am 19. fencer:

i hope he will prove to be a great man. As for myself, i’ll give him the exact same respect that was given to President G.W. Bush by his opponents. Nothing less, i promise.

Nov 5, 2008 - 6:34 am 20. Liberty Girl:

Lisa, while I agree re: sexism (elect anyone for Pres. but a frigging woman!) how is that project any different from electing a guy just because he’s black (and make no mistake, that is EXACTLY why he was elected)? Affirmative action is CRAP. No matter who it benefits, the end result is pushing unqualified people into positions due to melanin-content or having an innie instead of an outie in the sex-gear department. It’s CRAP and utterly against everything this country used to stand for….success on MERIT, for those who have forgotten.

Nov 5, 2008 - 6:35 am 21. Pee Wee Herman, Community Organizer:

No.

Nov 5, 2008 - 6:50 am 22. Erika Skye:

First of all, Obama is not a Socialist. Look it up, geniuses. And everyone who uses the term “comrade” jokingly is blatantly ignorant because that is a communist endearment, not a Socialist one! Second, Obama did not win because he is black, first of all, because he technically is NOT just black. His mother was white. So while race may be a factor, he still checks “other” when he fills out his payroll registration! He won because he has dreams and ideals which the majority of this country seems to think are good ideas for change. Third, a woman did not become president because it simply is not time yet! When a woman who can run this country runs for president, she will win! Hilary chose a bad year to run, point blank. And I must ask the people who think Obama should not have won, who, exactly, should have? McCain? maybe 20 years ago. The green and independent candidates? Few of us had even heard their names until we saw the ballot! This man has inspired an apathetic generation to care! That, in itself, is amazing. Perhaps if this many voters turned out to the polls every year, past elections could have gone differently. If no one thinks they matter, they will never matter! All I ask is that we give this man a chance. If it doesnt work, it doesnt work, but for the next four years at least, the people have spoken!

Nov 5, 2008 - 6:55 am 23. davidingeorgia:

I vote “nay” also…

take pride in the election of a terrorist-loving, radical leftist? who had 99% of the media working for him, and who showed no hesitancy at all the lie, cheat or use various Hugo Chavez-like thug tactics to get elected?

no, not a chance in hell I’m going to “take pride” in such a despicable event.

Nov 5, 2008 - 6:57 am 24. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Michele Catalano, et al.
RE: A Walk on the Wild Side

Now….

….what do you think will happen, vis-a-vis ‘race relations’ should the Obama administration be positively identified as one of the worst in US history?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[There will come to you at times a blinding vision that fills your eyes and mind, announcing itself as Truth. Step back and strike down this vision, and beat it as though it were a brain-sucking monster. Then, with it lying there limp, bent, and tarnished, if it still claims to be Truth, accept it with great caution, remembering that the most dangerous lies arrive in the most highly polished armor. -- Barry B. Longyear]

Nov 5, 2008 - 7:08 am 25. CosaMostro:

Well written, Michelle.

What unbelievable bitterness there is in the comments. For anyone to still hang on to this idea that Obama hates his country is just preposterous.

We elected the best man for the job. It’s not about race, that’s just a nice side benefit. It shows that America is a true meritocracy again. Where a Harvard Law magna cum laude who has devoted his life to public service really is deemed to be the best person for the job of the Presidency. The fact that he happens to be a black man with a Muslim name just affirms that we hold that principle in greater esteem than our petty prejudices.

How did the media elect Barack Obama? I believe each cameraman, producer and onscreen personality has exactly one vote. Barack Obama won the Democratic primary and the general election one way and one way only. By winning the greatest number of votes. Votes earned through hard work, a powerful message, and an unprecedented talent for community organization.

To characterize anyone as being rudely “pushed aside” because she didn’t win the necessary votes, or even understand the rules of the primary, is sore loser whining of the highest order.

And SOCIALIST?

Nov 5, 2008 - 7:13 am 26. Lisa Paul:

A Black President? I’m celebrating that we now have a smart, educated, intellectually curious President who sees America as part of the world, not just an isolated “kingdom”. HOpefully the recent “cult of ignorance” has ended in America.

Nov 5, 2008 - 7:14 am 27. Chuck Pelto:

TO: CosaMostro
RE: Bitterness?

What unbelievable bitterness there is in the comments. — CosaMostro

Where is anyone lying? That seems to me to be more important.

Point out the lies, please. Or is the truth of no importance to you?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Michele Catalano, A new standard in obfuscation, ambiguity, & equivocation.]

Nov 5, 2008 - 7:19 am 28. J.J. Sefton:

We should be proud just because he’s black???!!! Didn’t Martin Luther King say we should judge a man NOT by the color of his skin but by the content of his character????

Good Lord, if that were the only qualification, we could have voted for SHIRLEY CHISHOLM ages ago and cast off the racist mantle way back when.

What’s the effin’ use?!

Nov 5, 2008 - 7:22 am 29. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Lisa Paul
RE: Cultism R US

HOpefully the recent “cult of ignorance” has ended in America. — Lisa Paul

Actually, a ‘cult of ignorance’ got this fellow into power. I.e., you’re projecting.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Ignorance is when you don't know anything and somebody finds it out.]

Nov 5, 2008 - 7:23 am 30. CosaMostro:

Didn’t mean to hit enter yet, but this SOCIALISM nonsense is the most ridiculous thing I have heard in a very long time. A progressive tax code is a well-established principle that is widely accepted on both sides of the aisle. John McCain had no plans whatsoever to abolish progressive tax rates.

Obama’s tax proposal is to let the Bush cuts expire, resetting the top income tax rates to the level they were under Bill Clinton. I don’t recall Chairman Mao being Secretary of the Treasury under Clinton.

The closest thing we have to socialism in the United States is in Alaska, where Governor Palin believes that all state residents share *collective ownership* of the natural resources, and therefore tax the bejeezus out of the oil companies. This bought her an 80% approval rating by sending out huge checks to Alaskans when tax revenues soared under the recent price spikes.

Your candidate’s messages didn’t get through for an important reason. It’s not because the media worked against him. It’s not because there’s some vast conspiracy to install a black man into the office of the presidency. He simply did not have the right ideas about what direction to take the country. The fact that his campaign threw out a lot of baseless attacks in an attempt to stay competitive does not give you permission to sit out this democracy.

At least you can live here in confidence that the people really have spoken. The margin of victory removes all of the taint of former elections, where supporters of the defeated had to wonder if the election was really legit or if it had been stolen. Whine about ACORN all you want, but a couple dozen Mickey Mouses and Tony Romos did not produce a 5% margin in the popular vote.

Well over 70% of us can agree that things couldn’t be much worse than they are under Bush. I hope Michelle’s commenters are a statistical anomaly, and our supply-side brothers and sisters will dial down the invective and help us get our country back on the right track.

Nov 5, 2008 - 7:24 am 31. Laura:

My mother always said there would be a black man in the White House before a Jew or a woman. She was right. Let’s hope he won’t be as corrupt as most black leaders throughout the world are.

Nov 5, 2008 - 7:25 am 32. Bolie Williams IV:

I take no pride in Barack Obama’s election. I HOPE that he will be a good President but that will only happen if he CHANGES his agenda from what he said he would do. I suspect that he will be a terrible President and will do lasting harm to the economy. But I will wait and see what he does before I start throwing stones.

As was mentioned above, we should give him the exact same level of respect that Democrats gave Bush. In other words, we should be burning him in effigy, calling him names, etc…? Right? Or maybe not.

BTW, there is nothing “uniting” about many his positions. It’s hard to unite behind someone who promotes policies you totally disagree with.

Nov 5, 2008 - 7:25 am 33. kb:

Well—-I guess every single time I hear about the history our country has made by electing the first African-American, or the first Black man—–I can’t help but think that he IS half white—his mother who gave birth to him WAS white, the grandparents who worked, sacrificed and loved him WERE white. So—–we DID made history and it is wonderful. But I hope Obama and others never forget his White side too. I mean—can’t he be called an American of African Descent. Isn’t he American first before being African?????? I sure hope, though, that his Presidency normalizes and helps race relations in this country. Some of the talk we have heard about Blacks finally getting to push Whites around is kinda scary…………..

Nov 5, 2008 - 7:26 am 34. Cato:

NO

Nov 5, 2008 - 7:26 am 35. John B:

Me??? Personally I’m so depressed I just want to get drunk and stay that way for 4 years. Maybe by the time I sober up America will have learned better.

Nov 5, 2008 - 7:27 am 36. Bolie Williams IV:

CosaMostro,

The media influenced the election by reporting every remotely negative thing about McCain/Palin it could find, verified or not, and by ignoring many of Obama’s shady past actions and associations (or even actively whitewashing some). Believe it or not, the media does have a strong influence and it chose to use it to get Obama elected (for the most part).

Nov 5, 2008 - 7:27 am 37. Laura:

#26 Lisa:

“Cult of Ignorance” you say? If that is the case, why are millions of people trying to get IN to the United States as opposed to OUT of it? The only ignorance is the leftist, elitist, racist view of what many Democrats see as America today. If you are so unhappy, leave. There are dozens of 3rd world countries to choose from. If you need help with travel arrangements, let me know.

Nov 5, 2008 - 7:29 am 38. Smith:

Time to go John Galt, I can make my current car last another four years. I don’t need to eat out three or four tmes a week. Hurricane hits New Orleans, I’ve got better things to do than sacrifice my time driving a Red Cross truck. Money management focus now on tax avoidance. I’m sure other ideas will come to me, I’ve always tried to contribute “my share”,WTF let the messiah handle it.

Nov 5, 2008 - 7:30 am 39. Carin:

Michelle, you ask us to “embrace it together” yet what is offered in comments here?

HOpefully the recent “cult of ignorance” has ended in America.

There is no unity - there is no olive branch offered from the left. Hope and change? I’ll believe it when I see it.

Nov 5, 2008 - 7:34 am 40. Pascal Ebert:

I’m very much enjoying this discussion.

Where and when I grew up, “colored” kids weren’t allowed to drink from the same water fountains as I. The same passion and logic that normalized such absurd and institutionalized madness remains with us today and should bubble to the surface now that we’ve broken the seal with this historic election.

Racism is racism - whether a perversion of nationalism, socio-political isolationism or blind fear - racism is racism.

We’ll have more than enough to sort out on both sides.

At least we’re talking about it again.

Nov 5, 2008 - 7:35 am 41. westvillageidiot:

I didn’t vote for the guy; his platform is actually quite conservative. BUT, I, too, am celebrating that we now have a smart, educated, disciplined, hard-working, intellectually-curious President-elect who sees America as part of the world, not just an isolated “kingdom.” (well said, Lisa) Hopefully the recent “cult of ignorance” & profiteering cronyism has ended in America.

Nov 5, 2008 - 7:38 am 42. Karnas:

I AM HAPPY that people are happy.

I am also upset that so many people are happy.

I look at the election results and view it as the “change wanted”, not the “change needed”.

The whole campaign was based on outward appearances. This is apparent due to McCain’s age, Obama’s race, McCain’s “Alzheimer’s-look”, Obama’s religious affiliation… I have spoken with many people who voted for Obama simply because he is black.

I am commonly mistaken for being black. I am really a Maori Pacific Islander. For my entire life, barely anyone has properly guessed my race. Mostly, people think that I am black. I have found that it doesn’t change people’s idea of who you are. There are good people and bad people in every race, every religion, every age.

Look at Adolf Hitler, for instance. He was a bad person. He killed many officials on his way to becoming Germany’s Chancellor, save for von Hindenberg, who died just before he could be done in himself. But did the general public know about this? Of course they didn’t. This new chancellor had been making everything better. He was building new roads, new structures, making the economy better. He was a change.

Then he went public with his plans.

I am also Jewish. If you know me in real life, you probably know that I am. I am commonly referred to as “Jacob the Jew”, “Jake-A-Jew” or just “Jew”. These are my friends, joking because “it’s okay”. It really isn’t. I never proselytized the fact that I’m Jewish. They don’t mean any harm, they’re just joking around. I understand this. However, I have been verbally assaulted, spit upon and physically threatened on multiple occasions because of the fact that I am Jewish.

People in this country are afraid of one religion above all others. Islam is foreign in all aspects. Sure, the Jewish faith came from near the same area, but we are able to blend in most times. We don’t look so different. Wearing a yarmulke, it appears, is less threatening than wearing a hijab.

I understand this. Radical Islam is a very prevalent force in the Middle East. Governments are ruled my extremist Muslims who force strict Koranic law upon their peoples.

It’s all relative.

Another note. One such country was attacked by the United States in 2003. It’s dictator, a man hated by the citizens of the United States since the late 1980s was overthrown. His name? The middle name of our president-elect.

It is understandable why many are frightened.

You may argue, “if so many people are scared of him, why did he win the election?”

The answer to this is is another question: “What about the rest of the country who did not vote for him?”

So often, people look only at their views. I am not conservative, I am moderate. I look at both sides: Republican and Democratic. If I agree, I agree. It doesn’t matter which party, as long as it seems right. I voted no on a law attempting to amend homosexual marriage law that would then make it impossible to ever come to be. How many Republicans would do that?

It’s not about party. So many people think “the other party is bad”. People can vote however they feel regardless of party-affiliation. It is ridiculous how many people sent me texts belittling me for voting McCain, how many laughed in my face. One friend even said “the conservatives” were immature at the McCain rally last night.

How many liberals were immature to me last night? It happens on both sides. Don’t be so blind. I didn’t throw a fit, I didn’t walk around angry last night. I was having a good time with my friends who were happy that their candidate won. That’s what I would have wanted had my candidate won, but I’m sure it wouldn’t have happened that way if he did.

[That is all]

Nov 5, 2008 - 7:40 am 43. SAF:

I voted for McCain but I do believe this represents a watershed event for America and the world. I do hope he does well in leading us to a better place, better for all if he does. He’s a smart guy and shrewd operator and found the keys to the kingdom in terms of getting elected, all major accomplishments.

My fear is he will lead us backwards, certainly to a more socialistic existance.

I opined on the Biden “he’s going to be tested” comment in one of these blogs that between election day and nomination day the middle east will flare up. As if right on queue the Palestinians and Israelis are at it again and Syria has surrounded the Lebanese border with a couple of tank battalions.

I see nothing in his thought process or actions in the past (which is why i didn’t vote for him) that indicates he will deal well with any of this.

If he fails it will be a disaster precisely because he is a black man.

Stay tuned.

Nov 5, 2008 - 7:40 am 44. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Carin
RE: Careful….

There is no unity - there is no olive branch offered from the left. Hope and change? I’ll believe it when I see it. — Carin

…what you ask for. You may not enjoy it.

For instance, they ‘hope’, that they can silence all opposition. And THAT would be the ‘change’ they want. And YOU may be the brunt of such change.

We’ve seen evidence of their attitude about ‘opposing’ views already.

Now that he will have the power of the BATF, FBI, IRS….and what’s this I hear about a National Civilian Security Force that will be funded to the same level as the US Military…..

….I have to wonder what The One can do to affect ‘change’? And what sort of ‘change’?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, "We're from the government and we're here to help," -- President Ronald Reagan]

Nov 5, 2008 - 7:43 am 45. YB:

I was disappointed when George Bush was declared the winner in 2000, but I gave him that benefit of the doubt in hopes that he would do the things he claimed he would do as President. It wasn’t until 3 or 4 years later, AFTER I actually saw the results of his policies and decisions and their impact on our country coming to bear, that I felt the kind of bitterness I see in these comments towards Barack Obama. Unfortunate, but of course it is only day 1 and I have hopes for the future.

Chuck: At the very worst, Obama could only ever possibly be considered the second-worst President ever. George Bush has set the bar for worst too deep for anyone else to ever dig to.

Nov 5, 2008 - 7:43 am 46. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Pascal Ebert
RE: Racism In America

Racism is racism - whether a perversion of nationalism, socio-political isolationism or blind fear - racism is racism. — Pascal Ebert

Indeed. It is.

Now. Tell me. Would you lay down YOUR life for a million people in Iraq?

Where were you in the 70s? When Pol Pot was organizing ‘The Killing Fields’ after US pulled out of Viet Nam because of the args offered by Obama and his supporters?

Do you feel for the mass murders that resulted from that? How will you feel for the poor victims of such an atrocity in Iraq, should it, God forbid, come to pass?

Or is there a ‘touch of racism’ in your rhetoric?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for a friend. -- Some Wag, around 2000 years ago]

Nov 5, 2008 - 7:50 am 47. TomF:

It appears to me that the message of the article is to give him a chance. It is not like we have much choice. With the election over, one thing has changed in the discussion of Obama. Where as during the campaign his past was a point of much concern, now we can be more focused on what he does from here on out as president elect and as president of the United States. Basically, we did not and do not know who Obama is, well we will get our chance soon enough.

Nov 5, 2008 - 7:53 am 48. Errol Smythe:

All things are possible to them that believe. Napoleon Hill once said “Whatever the human mind can conceive and believe it can achieve”. Against all odds, against negative ads, negative rhetoric, negative commentary, the American dream conceived in the heart of a believer, became a reality for a nation.

There were those that cooked up a kitchen sink strategy to sink Senator Barak Obama’s election campaign. The kitchen sink strategy failed. Others tried mudslinging politics . That failed. The precision of the Obama 2008 Election team remained sure , stedfast focused on real issues to win the campaign. The pages of history will declare the folly of kitchen sink strategy and mudslinging politics.

All American’s are to be congratulated for showing the world that democracy has never been a dream . Democracy is a reality . South Africa had President Nelson Mandela , The United States of America has President Barak Obama.

Political pundits may have a lot to say about this and that. History books will record the brilliance of the well organised and well disciplined and adequately financed Obama 2008 campaign.

It was said before, some months ago “…That if God wants Barak Obama to be President, nothing or nobody can stop that…”. History now records that he will be the 44th President of the United States of America.

May God’s protection, God’s wisdom and God’s peace be with President elect Barak Obama and his wife Michelle and their children.May God continue to bless and be with the United States of America.

A great campaign. Democracy in action. Errol Smythe.

Nov 5, 2008 - 7:54 am 49. Chuck Pelto:

TO: YB
RE: The One, the Only, the Worst!

Chuck: At the very worst, Obama could only ever possibly be considered the second-worst President ever. George Bush has set the bar for worst too deep for anyone else to ever dig to. — YB

Really?

How very odd. Either that or you MUST be very ‘young’. Or remarkably ‘ignorant’.

I say that because you obviously don’t recollect any of the following:

Ulyses Grant
Herbert Hoover
Jimmy Carter
Bill Clinton

All of these are, by historical standards considered MUCH worse than Bush 43.

Therefore, your lack of supporting evidence, other than your pejorative attitude about history, leads me to believe you’ve got a SERIOUS problem.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Prejudice, n., A vagrant opinion without visible means of support.]

Nov 5, 2008 - 7:54 am 50. Edmund Jenks (MAXINE):

First off, congratualtions to Barack Obama and the George Soros funded “Hard Left”.

Daily Kos will replace the New York Times as the paper of record, free speech will be under attack through the rivial of “Fairness Doctrine”, 401K retirement programs will become the property of the federal government and reduced to a maximum 3% growth opportunity, more babies will not make it to see the light of day than less (even those who might have seen the light but officially did not), tax rates will be increased and less taxes will be actually collected, the national debt will continue to increase along with the size of federal government, less energy will be drilled, mined, transported, fused, and otherwise placed in a way our freedoms are increased and made more viable, our votes on the job, at work, will no longer be secret, less free trade and more economic isolation will become the trends, true respect and stature for the United States will suffer as our support for Israel takes a step backward, and the balance of power in Washington DC will have all power with little balance.

Sadly, the federal government will insert itself in the control over our everyday lives to a greater degree than ever before and everyone’s personal freedom of choice and options will decrease and hence become less of a shining city on the hill most thought of when people throughout the world came to a vision of the United States and its capitalistic based democracy.

Life will change and it will not be for the better. It will become harder to find a place to succeed with one’s dreams for at least one generation.

All hail to The One.

He ran a very successful campaign - to be able to displace Hillary Clinton and raise more money than any other candidate in history has to be recognized as a truly great effort.

Nov 5, 2008 - 7:57 am 51. Percy Dovetonsils:

“Hopefully the recent ‘cult of ignorance’ & profiteering cronyism has ended in America.”

“Profiteering cronyism”? Pal, take it from a Chicagoan, you ain’t seen nothin’ yet.

Nov 5, 2008 - 8:02 am 52. aloysiusmiller:

I find really intense bitter criticism of George Bush to be the symptom of a truly evil soul. GB failed because he was weak not because he was malevolent. He tried to reach to the middle with shamnesty. He signed McCain Feingold, his No Child Left Behind was just the thing for weak undisciplined people who need authoritarian standards but it has been miserable for the middle class and his failure to prosecute the war aggressivly and TIMELY was also a weakness that cost dearly. The next conservative we send to Washington needs to be a real conservative. Fortunately He’ll have the benefit of the weakest president in history to create the right sort of vacuum.

Nov 5, 2008 - 8:03 am 53. Bolie Williams IV:

CosaMostro,

Don’t forget that he’ll eliminate the cap on payroll taxes adding another 12.6% to income taxes for those making over $250,000… so they’ll go from 36% to over 50%. And if he increases capital gains taxes, they’ll probably end up paying even more.

Nov 5, 2008 - 8:07 am 54. DV:

So, suddenly since the “right man” is in the office, it’s time to respect it again and move forward? Yeah, if only people had thought of that in 2000 and 2004. Benefit of the doubt my ass. Obama’s gotta prove himself.

Nov 5, 2008 - 8:07 am 55. Knucklehead:

I don’t take a moment’s pride that in the USA, as we approach the close of the first decade of the 21st century, so many of My Fellow Citizens tossed themselves headlong into a disgusting cult of personality, believe in messianic nonsense, and send the country hurtling toward Marxism (a 19th century idiocy). This is not evolution, it was an exercise in childish petulance. We now have a mixed race president. Big. Freaking. Deal.

I don’t take pride that we have a bigotted media who make a mockery of their 1st amendment protections while we have a congress that will gleefully trample the 1st and 2nd amendments.

I don’t take pride in vote fraud openly committed, thugs patrolling polling places to ensure that “undesirables” know their place, and government agencies used as investigatory arms for political campaigns.

In fact, I’m struggling to have any sense of civility, let alone pride, toward my fellow citizens. What a bunch of dopes.

Nov 5, 2008 - 8:13 am 56. Trainwreck:

Countries get the government they deserve. When you have a population that is smitten with celebrity and has the attention span of a flea, brainwashed by and education system that extolls mediocrity and self-esteem, and narcotized by PC multiculti garbage with no respect for American history or exceptionalism, this outcome is pre-ordained.

For the past four years we have hyperpartisan sniping on the part of the demonrats who blamed Bush for everything from causing 9/11 and Hurricane Katrina and considered him a reincarnation of Hitler and Genghis Khan. And Bush himself did everything in his power to subvert conservatism, from running a half-a$$ed politically correct War on that which must not be named to outspending democrats on all sorts of programs to opening the gates for floods of illegals and even defending an illegal murderer from deserved executions, at the behest of the Mexican government.

Now we have a neo-marxist closet racist and America-hater who wants to expand a culture of entitlement. Here is what the future will bring:

-dissent will be suppressed. The media and political cronies will savage the reputation and livelihoods of any who dare question or criticize the Leader (look what they did to Joe the Plumber). American discourse will resemble what is seen on college campuses. Critique of The One will be deemed racist and subject you to sanctions. Soon, Obama’s civilan army (like those thugs guarding that polling place in Philly) will arrest any free-thinking subversives, to be put in re-education camps or worse. Ayers said that 10% of capitalists may need to be exterminated.

-in the name of the global warming hoax, government will intrude on your lives in ways you never dreamed of.

-We will throw our allies under the bus to appease our enenmies.

-the infiltration of our way of life by stealth jihad will accelerate

-attacks worse than 9/11 will occur and will accelerate our surrender to Islamists

-if you make any money above a level Obama ordains it will be taken from you and given as entitlements.

-the country will be flooded with illegals, 3rd world poor, and jihadists. Don’t expect a republican to win for the rest of your lives.

What is there to do? It was a good run we had in this country. The last days of the American republic are upon us. Enjoy it while you can.

Nov 5, 2008 - 8:14 am 57. cfbleachers:

Today is a day for graciousness.

I would hope that the elation and joy that Senator Obama’s supporters feel would lead to a greater graciousness in victory than they have at times shown in defeat in the last elections. It’s time for them to put down the venom and pick up the valor.

It is indeed a day ripe with hope for new beginnings. And, for those who supported Senator McCain, or perhaps simply opposed Senator Obama, it is time to show America and the world what grace looks like when your candidate does not prevail. This is not a day for rancor or bitterness, for ugly sentiments or veiled threats of “payback”. For those of us in the middle, it is a day to wait and hope, that those on each side of us learn what it means to have grace, in both victory and defeat.

Is there some “message” about what “everybody” thought in this voting process? No, I don’t believe there is. Senator Obama received barely above 50% of the votes cast by our citizens. Senator McCain received over 46%. In reality, half the country is pulling on one end of the rope and half on the other. If we read too much into this slight edged victory, we risk overstating a position that simply does not exist. But let’s not read too little into it either.

It signals a sea change possibility in how we deal with each other. I don’t believe today is the day to do much more than take a breath and exhale. To act with dignity, integrity, honor and grace. And to be thankful for a country where your vote counts for something. (there will be time in a few days to discuss voting irregularities by both sides and other weighty issues, but not today)

I don’t believe we “got our country back”, because I never believed it went anywhere. And I think that’s the wrong message for today, it smacks of smack. Today is not a day for smack talk.

I don’t believe that Senator McCain’s missteps in his campaign had the most impact on the outcome as a couple of other items, that were out of his control. President Bush was wildly unpopular. This country was weary of wearing the black eye given in no small part by partisan politics, and constantly remained sore as they poked their thumbs in it without relenting.

This country was tired of not being liked and feeling disrespected. That drumbeat may have won an election, but it lost this country the respect and honor that it did not deserve to lose. President Bush has a mountain of flaws, too many to list and too deep for this venue….. but fair is fair, right is right and wrong is wrong…no matter who is delivering the message and no matter the reason behind it. The overreaching and unfair attibutions spilled over onto this country, and I hope they end today for the good of this land of ours.

That same group of folks made every concerted effort to give Senator Obama every advantage that they could. That was a great political strategy. What remains to be seen, is whether there are remnants of those strategies that live on past today, in ways unexpected, unintended, but not unpredictable.

For those of us in the middle, we call them as we see them. Hyperpartisanship is not a good thing. If we are to be lead by someone who calls for unity, then it can’t be one hand clapping. Both sides have to come together, because those of us in the middle are weary of the rancor.

Senator Obama had a mountain of cash (again today is not the day to discuss campaign financing issues) and was able to outspend Senator McCain by a larger margin than in any other election. Some of this stemmed from brilliant strategy and a wealth of excitement, which is so wonderful, it cannot be dismissed without a smile. Again, whether other elements of it have lasting unintended impacts should be set aside for another day.

There was a “No, we’re really not” element to the undercurrent accusation that this country is racist at its core, I believe. I think this outcome is such a good thing in so many ways, that it cannot be discounted. This historic moment has its place in America that is long overdue. Whether the accusation was fair or used improperly by both sides, is not a discussion for today, but today is a day to begin painting our image with a different set of brushes.

Today is a day to pause and celebrate one brilliant shining diamond in the rough and tumble of this election. ANYONE can be elected President of this country, regardless of race, creed, gender, and with minor limitations, age. That says something wonderful about us as a people and for that, we should be swelled with pride.

John McCain didn’t overcome the overwhelming odds that were stacked against him. The imperfections in his campaign, perhaps, if remedied, could have made it a closer race with those in the middle, but not by much, I don’t believe. This was the time, this was the place, this was the moment in history that destiny had chosen.

In the final analysis, perhaps we are still a very divided country. It is up to those who have won, to extend an olive branch to all of the rest of America. And it is up to those who feel the sting of defeat, to wipe the slate clean and lead by example.

If you have complained bitterly about the behavior of the opposition when they lashed out repeatedly and unfairly at your side, when they have ridiculed and lampooned you, when they called you stupid and racist and worse….showing them how it’s done graciously is your most powerful weapon.

Senator Obama is my President. I will defend him and his honor with every fiber in my being. I hope and pray he unites us.

Senator McCain did not lose this election. It was not his to win.

History has been made and it is time for people on either side of those of us in the middle to quit pulling it apart at the seams. Today is a day of great joy and elation. It’s up to the grace of the winners and losers on each side to ensure that tomorrow is as well.

Nov 5, 2008 - 8:16 am 58. willowgerl:

Pride? No. Relief? Yes. Relief that the idiotic race card has finally lost its currency.

I won’t stoop to the level of hatred the left did for GWB, but I plan on giving no quarter to the foolishness about to be displayed by our new President. None at all.

Nov 5, 2008 - 8:22 am 59. Kat:

Michele, very well written.

Tough crowd here in the comments eh?
I have hope that this great divide can and will heal. I have hope that we can come together as Americans, as a people of this nation, and get it back on track.
I don’t know if that can happen in the next 4 years or 8, or even under whoever the next president may be, but I still have hope that someday we can fix this broken mess and once again have pride in our nation.

Nov 5, 2008 - 8:25 am 60. Jim Baker:

I have no objection to the fact that Obama is half Kenyan. After all, I am 1/16 Cherokee, whatever that means. What a shallow minded article.
The United States has spent the last 70 years trying to dig out of the hole the last great socialist dug for us. I believe that progress has just been set back about 35 years and it could get lots worse. I expect I will never see a country that believes in limited government. We are now citizens of the world, eh? I feel warm and fuzzy about that, I tell you!

Nov 5, 2008 - 8:26 am 61. DaveinEurope:

To all of you who reject the “socialist” label for Obama, pray tell what definition you are using? His economic policies are certainly at least socialist, and in some respects Marxist– Read his books and his speeches! He has not yet spoken in favor of outright nationalisation of all means of production, but he certainly wants to control them without taking that final step, and I believe he is just waiting for the time to take that final step. Just because “progressive” taxation is widely accepted does not make it any less socialistic as a concept– and he wants to take it farther than it is. It’s going to be a very rough four years.

Nov 5, 2008 - 8:26 am 62. Stan:

“Well over 70% of us can agree that things couldn’t be much worse than they are under Bush.”

Ahhhh …to be young enough (or drunk enough) to not recall the disaster that was the Carter administration.

Nov 5, 2008 - 8:26 am 63. W. Keller:

Proud of our country’s selection?? Really?? I am so damn tired of being assumed to be a racist just because there is not a single solitary thing I agree with Obama on. He will be a disaster, he has no experience, his policies - throughout his VERY LIMITED career - has supported infanticide, gun control, redistribution of wealth - he is a socialist at the least, a Marxist in all likely hood. He will destroy small business - the heart of the American economy. He will tax big business into oblivion. He will tax the middle class into welfare dependence. He will submit to our enemies (Putin declaring missiles to their boarder with Europe already last night and missile attacks against Israel from Lebenon) and destroy our military.

There is no pride in seeing my country turn from being independent, make-it-on-your-own, work hard and you will be rewarded into a country filled with hands extended waiting for their share from the rich.

It’s pathetic!

Nov 5, 2008 - 8:29 am 64. Joan of Argghh!:

Dissent is still the highest form of patriotism, isn’t it?

I support the Constitution, just like I support Truth. I go to church to worship God, not the preacher. I support the Presidency, as a governing ideal, but it’s just one more part of the whole government model. It’s not, “emperor” or “king”. I don’t have to welcome or approve of a man or his ideas.

I have never, in all my years, believed that this country could not or would not elect a qualified person of any race or creed. I don’t know of anyone except the most backwater racist who would think differently. And those types are few and far between, so I will not be baited into apologizing for them.

The Republicans have done more to make Obama’s acceptance by the country seem like a non-issue. The Left’s race-baiting, now echoed by Michelle C., sounding like Michelle O. is not the sort of critical thinking one expects from PJM.

I do not support Barack Obama or anything he has proposed. As long as he supports our founding documents, he has my support. If he proves himself my economic enemy or removes my basic liberties, he ceases to be “my” president. He doesn’t cease to be “ours” however unlucky that may be, but please, none of this “hail fellow well-met” nonsense that just looks weak and gets its proponents kicked out of office.

I believe in the U.S. as a concept and an Ideal. It stands for something.

Now, apparently, it falls for anything.

Nov 5, 2008 - 8:32 am 65. Korla Pundit:

That is a moronic notion. Why I should be proud of the fact that corruption was allowed to win the day? Why should I care about the color of a man’s skin? Isn’t that the opposite of what you are suggesting?

The fact is this: it is no longer a democracy when your votes are totally negated by massive, massive voter fraud, with the complete complicity of the election officials, the courts, the media, and all the same culprits who would rig an election in any third world dictatorship.

I’m not proud of that; I am ashamed of people who allow themselves to be blinded by this very notion of “pride” in being able to vote for a black man. So what? Are you still so backward that you had to prove it to yourself? Well, congratulations. We did the same thing here in New York City a while back. It was such a disaster that maybe it set the cause you claim to love back several decades.

Why not elect a black person or a woman or a one-legged Martian who is qualified to be President, who doesn’t hate the very country he wants to be leader of, who isn’t very cozy with our enemies, and who wants to set up a domestic army for unspoken nefarious purposes.

If you were so able to look beyond the color of somebody’s skin, you would already realize what a terrible thing has occurred. But you will learn the hard way in very short order.

When you claim “We didn’t know,” I will have very little sympathy.

Nov 5, 2008 - 8:33 am 66. Marauder:

Yes, what a WONDERFUL role model Obama is to little black children who want to grow up to be president someday. All they have to do is be able to speak well with a teleprompter, play every race card in their arsenal, have the adoration of a media that refuses the publicize their associations with domestic terrorists, vote four times for infanticide, say some vague things about hope and change, and never, ever stray a single inch from the Democratic Party.

Frankly, it’s frightening how Obama’s supporters gush with praise for a man whose concrete accomplishments no one can cite. Obama is only a uniter and a beacon of hope for people who agree with his ideas and proposed policies. I’m not embracing him. I’d love to see him prove me wrong, but at the moment I have little to no faith that he’ll be a good president.

Nov 5, 2008 - 8:34 am 67. Pete:

If GWB belongs on the list of worst chief executives, then assuredly so does Lyndon Baines Johnson. LBJ is remembered for his civil rights legislation, but of much greater impact was his creation of the “Great Society” government of entitlements, the same entitlements that threaten to sink our economy. If you think the current downturn is something, wait until the entitlements bomb goes off. Medicare, Medicaid, and the Social Security System are all unsustainable as currently consistuted and will consume an ever-greater majority of the national economic pie until they bankrupt us. Oh, and let us not forget all those public pensions our local, state and federal governments cannot fund. BJ cannot be blamed for that, however. Let us not forget that LBJ also lost the Vietnam War, one most military historians now believe the US could and should have won. Vietnam must rank alongside Iraq as the most divisive war in US history (save of course the Civil War).

It should be fun watching President Obama try to fund all of those programs he promised, but for which monies simply do not exist. Horror of horrors, he may actually have to shrink the size of government to be successful, not simply raise taxes. If he is so unwise as to use the printing presses to make more money, we’ll get inflation, and we all know how popular that is!

He’s won the office for which he aspired, a marvelous and historical feat of campaigning, but now the time for talk is over - he will be shortly be judged on his actions, not simply his rhetoric. Maybe if we are lucky, his skill at raising money will move with him to the White House; he’ll need it with the slate of problems we face.

I wish our new President every success, but my take is that the man will need a bottle of headache medicine very quickly indeed.

Nov 5, 2008 - 8:35 am 68. jonesy55:

“He has not yet spoken in favor of outright nationalisation of all means of production, but he certainly wants to control them without taking that final step, and I believe he is just waiting for the time to take that final step”

Actually GWB seems to have started that process for him already with the banking system, trditionally one of the main targets for nationalisation by communist parties.

Nov 5, 2008 - 8:39 am 69. TheHat:

Sure lets respect the Neo-Socialist President. All hale President Obama, Communist Socialist, Community Organizer and all round good fellow.

I respect the fact that he wants to bleed me dry and provide for those who will not do so for themselves.

I respect the fact that Israel will disappear from the map during Obamas Presidency.

I respect the fact that the Islamic factions will now attempt to resume their take over of America.

I respect the fact that the Constitution is no longer the document defining the unique greatness that was America. Now President Obama will define what the Constitution means and what American greatness means.

I respect the fact that President Obama hasn’t a clue as to what it means to earn a living. His strength is in knowing how to take from the makers and give to the takers.

I respect the fact that Obama knows how to shift the blame for his actions on to others. Senator Obama was well paid for this skill!

I respect the fact that President Obama knows how to eliminate the one-person-one-vote law.He can find ways to add illegal immigrants to our voting registry. Along with dogs, cats, dead people and people living on park benches.

I respect the fact that President Obama will find a way to make man made global warming go away by spending billions of dollars. Let’s not worry about the fact that there is no man made global warming.

I respect the fact that President Obama has no respect for America, the American flag or the Star Spangled Banner.

I respect the fact that President Obama will put the Unite Nations needs, wants and desires ahead of America.

I have a lot of respect for President Obama.

Nov 5, 2008 - 8:41 am 70. Korla Pundit:

>All they have to do is be able to speak well with a teleprompter, play every race card in their arsenal, have the adoration of a media that refuses the publicize their associations with domestic terrorists, vote four times for infanticide, say some vague things about hope and change, and never, ever stray a single inch from the Democratic Party.

Oh, and be half-white. You forgot that. We’re still not ready to elect somebody who’s all black. No, we’re racists, I heard on the radio.

Nov 5, 2008 - 8:42 am 71. Steve:

It would be easier to take pride if it was a man with Clarence Thomas’s character and beliefs.

Nov 5, 2008 - 8:43 am 72. Paul:

I accept Obama’s victory and the people’s choice. He will be our president even though I will do everything in my power to oppose the things he and his congressional cohorts try to do for the next four years. I have a serious, deep sense of fear that this nation had just made one of the worst choices it has ever made and while we may not pay for it immediately, we will be regretting this decision in the years to come.

However, I have to ask: where was this spirit of “hope” and plea for “unity” in 2000 and 2004…and all the years in between?

Nov 5, 2008 - 8:45 am 73. seguin:

“We elected him because we wanted change. And now that the time for change is here, we need to embrace it, all of us.”

No, no we don’t.

I can look at this election and see a few silver linings, like maybe now some Americans might not feel so disenfranchised, but this President’s “change” is, from all the indications I see, nothing I want any part of. Card check, Fairness Doctrine, gun-grabbing, high-tax, high government interference on top of what we already have which is too high, more Federal meddling in state affairs, more control from central government, abandoning our allies in Liberty for a bunch of multi-culti “they ain’t so bad,” hooey.

Yeah. He’s gonna be a shitty president.

Nov 5, 2008 - 8:46 am 74. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Joan of Argghh!
RE: Dissent, You Say?

Dissent is still the highest form of patriotism, isn’t it? — Joan of Argghh!

Is that why you and Stephen Green ’suspended’ my dissent over with you on VodkaPundit last Spring? Just because I didn’t agree with you and he over some matter regarding Prince Harry in Afghanistan?

How VERY ‘odd’.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Where there is no religion, hypocrisy becomes good taste.]

P.S. You’re an atheist too, right?

Nov 5, 2008 - 8:47 am 75. Post-election reads:

[...] Michele Catalano. [...]

Nov 5, 2008 - 8:49 am 76. DJ:

No I won’t. Not again. Back around 1986 I took pride in voting for Doug Wilder, Virginia’s first black lieutenant governor. Then again in 1990 I took pride in voting for Doug Wilder again when he became Virginia’s first black Governor. It felt so virtuous. But we quickly learned that Doug Wilder was an incompetent mediocrity with a mean streak a yard wide. The only reason he got as far as he did is because every democrat and every newspaper in Virginia covered up for him until his mistakes were too obvious and too large to ignore. So I stopped feeling any loyalty to democrats in the 1990’s.

I suspect some New Yorkers feel the same way about Dinkins.

And now it’s happened again on a national scale.

Obama will soon find out that trying to get cooperation from Senators and Congressmen is infinitely more difficult than commanding obedience from students in a classroom.

Nov 5, 2008 - 8:50 am 77. Self-hating boomer:

It’s really quite simple. The fact that you thing race is significant simply proves that you’re a racist.

Nov 5, 2008 - 8:53 am 78. majoriot:

The fact that Obama is black is no more relevant than McCain’s religious beliefs . Both are fact and neither figured in their being qualified for President.

Get real. Your 8 years of conservative rule has fallen flat on it’s face. The people of the United States no longer accept your doctrine of ideology before humanity. Profit before people. Control before freedom.
Your jingoistic Imperialism, your desire to control the world rather than be part of it, has proven to be to our detriment.

Your leaders have failed in every sense of the word.

Cult? There is no greater cult than the one I see on this page. Your are myopic in your vision and marginal in your numbers.

So here we have Barack Obama. Bush’s legacy.

Nov 5, 2008 - 8:54 am 79. H Isenhower:

Michelle,

I would be thrilled to have a black president if he, or she even, were conservative. As it is President Elect Obama is a radical who has been foisted on us by a radical, left wing media and a host of cultural outlets, art, film, drama, etc.

I am ashamed that he is our president, not because he is black, but because he a socialist/Marxist who doesn’t want to live by our Constitution, he wants to transform it.

In the spirit of national unity, Michelle, tell me how I should feel about this: Obama FLIPPED OFF both McCain and Hillary during a filmed rally speech. See for yourself.

Watch the Hillary video first because you will hear the audience call and whoop after BO raises his middle finger to scratch his right cheek, then he starts smiling big. He knows he can get away with it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhkq11UExcw&eurl=http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/04/obamaflipsoffcl.html

He does it again just after congratulating McCain on a hard fought campaign. He puts his left index finger up to he nose then quickly flips out his middle finger to scratch his mouth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnEhmbKazdw

What do you call that? It’s trashy and demeaning behavior and this man it now our president. Don’t ask me to support and respect him in the name of patriotism. You and I may be patriots, but he is not.

Nov 5, 2008 - 8:54 am 80. Bomb-a-rama:

Relief that the idiotic race card has finally lost its currency.

Don’t count on it.

Nov 5, 2008 - 8:56 am 81. SAF:

well after reading through these blogs I can only conclude we are as divided as ever.

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:03 am 82. kelly k:

Yes, we’re all brimming with pride. I mean, my gosh, how did a Harvard educated lawyer ever make it to the White House? How did he overcome the enormous obstacle of being paid for and packaged by one of the most powerful and entrenched political machines in the country? How did he run his campaign with hardly any money or media attention? It’s like a miracle or something.

Well, luckily for all of us, Obama has all those years of executive experience.

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:03 am 83. willowgerl:

Bomb-o-rama: a girl can dream, right? Hope and change?

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:04 am 84. Travis:

I will sit and wait to see what happens.

I have hope that the change that is coming can be beneficial to all.

My personal fears will remain just that, mine and personal, if/until a time comes in which those fears become founded.

I would like someone to put this country back on the track of being a self sufficient country full of hard working people who look less to their government for a hand out and more to themselves for a hand up.

I would like someone to ease the government out of my personal matters and restore the country to one that governs based on the Constitution and not on reactionary politics.

If that’s Pres. Obama - then fantastic.

If not; then I have another chance, in four years, to vote for the person I believe will do that.

I’m still not very happy with California though

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:04 am 85. Edmund Jenks (MAXINE):

I agree, let’s take pride!

First off, congratulations to Barack Obama and the George Soros funded “Hard Left”.

Daily Kos will replace the New York Times as the paper of record, free speech will be under attack through the revival of “Fairness Doctrine”, 401K retirement programs will become the property of the federal government and reduced to a maximum 3% growth opportunity, more babies will not make it to see the light of day than less (even those who might have seen the light but officially did not), tax rates will be increased and less taxes will be actually collected, the national debt will continue to increase along with the size of federal government, less energy will be drilled, mined, transported, fused, and otherwise placed in a way our freedoms are increased and made more viable, our votes on the job, at work, will no longer be secret, less free trade and more economic isolation will become the trends, true respect and stature for the United States will suffer as our support for Israel takes a step backward, and the balance of power in Washington DC will have all power with little balance.

Sadly, the federal government will insert itself in the control over our everyday lives to a greater degree than ever before and everyone’s personal freedom of choice and options will decrease and hence become less of a shining city on the hill most thought of when people throughout the world came to a vision of the United States and its capitalistic based democracy.

Life will change and it will not be for the better. It will become harder to find a place to succeed with one’s dreams for at least one generation.

All hail to The One.

He ran a very successful campaign - to be able to displace Hillary Clinton and raise more money than any other candidate in history has to be recognized as a truly great effort.

The pride I am beginning to feel is overwhelming.

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:05 am 86. Korla Pundit:

OK, now can we see the video that the LA Times is sitting on? Now can we see the One trashing Israel and praising a terrorist?

Now that he’s safely in?

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:09 am 87. Cichawoda:

As usual so many people on this site are filled with hate - you are not Americans - just some inbred rejects from from around the world.

69. TheHat: if can’t see a comptomise with the majotity of Americans maybe you should just leave - you are not an American if you can’t honor the opinion of the rest of us.

65. Korla Pundit: “rig an election in any third world dictatorship” - maybe you should take that aluminum foil hat off from time to time. You really think that the majority of people in this country, all the poll workers, election officials, journalists etc are soo out of touch and ignorat - you are not an American go back to the alien universe you came from

37. Laura: “If you are so unhappy, leave.” - Look at the vote - if you can’t compromise and learn to work within the system, I believe it is you that have been shown the door. Patriotic Americans want to work with other Patriotic Americans to make this country better for ALL of us.

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:13 am 88. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: Majoriot….

The people of the United States no longer accept your doctrine of ideology before humanity. Profit before people. Control before freedom.Your jingoistic Imperialism, your desire to control the world rather than be part of it, has proven to be to our detriment. — Majoriot

….reminds me of the cult-o-personality followers described in Jerry Pournelle’s Spartan series, as written in the early 1990s.

The mindless rhetoric, without any proof to back it up, is almost as if they took the verbiage from the discussions Spartan University Student Union.

And Mr. Pournelle based such discussion on classic Maoist-Communism rhetoric.

Go fig….

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. But maybe I’m mistaken. Maybe Majoriot, what a nom des blogs….very apropos….can explain to US how we’re an ‘empire’? If we are, we’re one unlike any the world has ever seen. After all, we gave back Japan, Italy and Germany to the people we ‘conquered’. And shorter time than Britain gave back India to the indigenous population.

Why is that?

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:21 am 89. Tim:

No. I will give him exactly what the KosKidz gave GWB. Scorn, ridicule, despite. I realized this morning that I was not that upset that SamiBami had won. Four wonderful years to mock the fools who voted for him. He cannot completely destroy the country in four years, and we will recover as always (Reagan followed Carter and I still see those as the best years the nation had since WWII.)

So I intend to sit back, and spew vitriol and hatred, and wait for him to fail, as fail he surely will.

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:23 am 90. Carin:

87- “Look at the vote - if you can’t compromise and learn to work within the system, I believe it is you that have been shown the door. Patriotic Americans want to work with other Patriotic Americans to make this country better for ALL of us”

OMG … I just fell off my chair laughing. You are a HOOT Cichawoda!

Oh, you weren’t serious, were you?

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:24 am 91. Joan of Argghh!:

Chuck Pelto? Whatever makes you think I had anything to do with Steve Green banning you? Months ago, ages ago?

Are you freaking stalking me?

Please, buy a cat. Or a dog. Take it for a walk. Enjoy the sunshine. Go have a life.

Moreover, you’re not the boss of me, and have no political office that affects me, so you’re basically just an irritating troll dressed in self-important political drag. Anybody in the MSM can do as well. I’ve never silenced you except by dint of my superior arguments.

So when I tell you you’re an idiot, I’m being as patriotic as I know how to be, because I know you disagree.

If I see you harass me, unprovoked, in any other portion of the blogosphere, I will report you as a potential Internet stalker. I wonder that Stephen Green hasn’t already.

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:25 am 92. Lisa:

Liberty Girl,

If Clinton had lost solely on her merits without the sexism, I would have been proud and happy. She didn’t.

If Palin had lost solely on her merits without the sexism, I would have been proud and happy. She didn’t.

I am going to look for qualified women candidates and vote for them, regardless of party.

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:27 am 93. ohemingway:

I am a conservative. Conservatives are never wrong. It must be the main stream media. It can’t be my fault. It must be that Obama supporters are lunatics. Sean Hannity told me this could never happen.
God must have been asleep. You know he likes us better than those Godless socialists.

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:28 am 94. dave:

Is this the level of comments and discussions we will have of a Barrack Hussein Obama presidency ( yes i used his middle name - so scary huh? NO! )
This is silly people we are grown… disagree or agree be passionate and share your opinions but can we attempt to be civil in our discourse… Forget parties for a minute…

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:28 am 95. Self-hating boomer:

Actually, SAF, we’re more divided than after the civil war. This obsession that the Ophiles have with race is going to turn the US into Yugoslavia. Expect Waco and Ruby Ridge on steroids.

There’s a reason why the white supremacists supported 0bama. At long last, they’re finally going to get the race war they’ve always wanted.

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:29 am 96. Olivia:

I’m not taking pride in a con artist. The idea that we should be happy that our next president is someone with no character or core beliefs but somehow finds a friend in every afrocentric marxist islamofascist. I don’t care I’m still pissed and I don’t care if he’s black. What good is it to have a black leader if everything he represents is so despicable. I don’t see that as progress. We will all have to reap what the dumbocrats have sown. Yippie. And I took a lot of crap for being one of the few black people who voted McCain-Palin and I’ll get the shaft when Obama bites the big one and people assume I’m part of the black sheeple that put him in. Ugh.

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:32 am 97. Korla Pundit:

>maybe you should take that aluminum foil hat off from time to time. You really think that the majority of people in this country, all the poll workers, election officials, journalists etc are soo out of touch and ignorat

If Obama was so overwhelmingly supported, why did he have to cheat? Why did the entire dem machine have to rig all the battleground states?

Maybe it’s just a compulsion for Marxists.

You gain nothing by denying it now after the fact, because nobody cares any more. Nobody will be prosecuted for their felonies, even those on Obama’s actual campaign team who had to withdraw their illegal ballots. They got away with it.

You might as well admit it and have a party about it, because you will always get away with it. There is no democracy when the elections are treated no more seriously, no — less seriously, than American Idol.

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:38 am 98. CosaMostro:

So many people here are really upset about their taxes going up. I had no idea that people earning more than $250K had a lot of time on their hands to comment on blogs!

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:38 am 99. Cichawoda:

89. Tim: “Scorn, ridicule, despite.” - while I was celebrating a deserved victory, a historical, American moment - some nut jobs that think like so many on this site went around spray painting Obama bumper stickers and lawn signs black. Would you call these people Patriotic Americans?

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:39 am 100. Holdfast:

The president is a radical leftist who happens to be black - where’s the source of pride? I’ll be proud when a black conservative can run for office without being savaged for being a “sell-out” or an “Uncle Tom” - maybe when some people apologize for all the horrible things that they’ve said and written about Justice Thomas. Maybe when Dems don’t dismiss legitimate criticism of a black candidate with blanket charges of racism.

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:41 am 101. Finrod:

Dave: How about NO! For the last eight years we have been subjected to this constant stream of crap from the left. Now the chickens have come home to roost. Karma is a real b—-!

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:43 am 102. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Chichawoda
RE: Yeah?

some nut jobs that think like so many on this site went around spray painting Obama bumper stickers and lawn signs black. — Chichawoda

I never saw that report. Got a URL for it?

Thanks,

Chuck(le)
P.S. Not that I don’t trust you to tell the truth about a matter such as this, but I’d prefer to have some corroborating evidence from a—preferably—reliable source.

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:45 am 103. TLC:

Unity with the educated idiot “Obama” that is consumed with Marxist ideology….never!!!!

Socialism is the phantastic younger brother of despotism, which it wants to inherit. Socialism wants to have the fullness of state force which before only existed in despotism. … However, it goes further than anything in the past because it aims at the formal destruction of the individual … who … can be used to improve communities by an expedient organ of government.
– Friedrich Nitzsche

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:45 am 104. Boris:

“If I see you harass me, unprovoked, in any other portion of the blogosphere, I will report you as a potential Internet stalker.”

Yes, just type “911″ into Google and we’ll be right over. WTF paranoia?

Lol at the losers too, BTW. GG neo-conservatism. Enjoy your new Muslim president who was born in Kenya or something.

Too many acronyms, imo. gfy.

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:49 am 105. Shauna:

I agree with you, but… where were you when the shrills at Moveon.org were saying Bush lied people died. Where were you all these years of unfounded Bush hate? You and each of you Democrats have hated. You spread hate like the plague. It is you I am ashamed of.

Now watch. Republicans will show you yet again how to be real Americans. We WILL give Obama the benefit of the doubt. And when he is right we will be the first to get behind him. This is what it means to be Americans. Democrats have been a disgrace to this country for far too long. You should all hand your heads in shame.

And when Obama is wrong, we will oppose his policies and not the man. Your Bush hate was so over the top the Democratic Pary will forever be known for your haterd and small mindedness. You should be ashamed.

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:49 am 106. Xytrex:

Thanks CosaMostro for putting it into words that I can’t.

Great piece Michele.

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:49 am 107. Bomb-a-rama:

Your 8 years of conservative rule has fallen flat on it’s face.

Had the people that were in charge actually governed like the conservatives they were supposed to be, I’d agree with you. But then again, if they had, it’s rather unlikely that any tripping up would have occurred.

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:52 am 108. Roark:

Where was the black cultures celebration and tears for Clarence Thomas or Alan Keyes? Frightening how the black culture is embracing this socialist hack.

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:56 am 109. Timmer:

I’m going to let Steven Den Beste speak for me on this one:

I’m not saying I’m happy with this outcome. I would much rather have had McCain win. But this is not the end of the world, or the end of this nation. We’ve survived much worse.

And now we need to show the lefties how to lose. Our mission for the next four years is to be in opposition without becoming deranged.

Too late for the “in opposition without becoming deranged” thing though huh?

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:56 am 110. Slower Lower:

If I judged folks by the color of their skin instead of by the content of their character, I might take some pride in this election. Unfortunately, I don’t. I would feel the same way if Gov. Palin had been the first female Vice President. I want the best person for the job irrespective of their shading or plumbing. President-elect Obama is not that person. Heck, I’d vote for a one-legged Asian transsexual if I thought that she… uhm, he… er, she could do the job.

Folks want to make a big deal out of the race issue with election, that’s fine. Personally, I’d like to say “Good show. Now go get a real job Rev. Sharpton.”

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:56 am 111. Shuffledog:

It’s impressive the sheer level of deliberate, intentional stupidity among McCain supporters. No matter how many times Obama and his team have proven false the attacks on himself and his platform, people hold on to them with a fervent intensity.

And now there’s accusations of rigging the election. I’m sorry, folks, but suck it up. Because you lost doesn’t mean the other guy cheated.

Michele, good article. I’m sorry people missed your point, that in a nation that once kept black people as slaves that one is now the president. Yes, that is amazing progress.

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:57 am 112. ixoye:

Pro 29:2 When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn…

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:58 am 113. Josh:

I take pride in knowing that I’m not a loser Republican. Do you take pride in knowing that your party ruined America’s economy and lost 2 wars?

Nov 5, 2008 - 10:06 am 114. Alton:

I agree that the election was an historic event. I truly hope for the best and remain optimistic. I disagree with those that say that maybe we can now end racism. I believe the election proves that racism, as defined by media, did not exist in any meaningful way. I doubt anyone can convince me, however, that this election was decided by the “content of the candidates’ character” or that it was not heavily influenced by pigmentation…and guilt. There are many people with questionable character that feel really good about themselves today – not able to understand or appreciate that the “dream” was not achieved, but turned on its head.

Nov 5, 2008 - 10:06 am 115. Lisa Paul:

Michele,

In light of the incredible hate spewed out into the blogosphere toward your column, I do want to thank you for your very well written article. Not a surprise, you always write well.

But I see your experience as indicative of what I think happened in America this election season. I sense from your past columns that you are from a pretty conservative background, you knew you would take a lot of flak for stepping outside that box. But you put a lot of thought into your vote. I think much of America did that. Instead of blindly voting the party line, I think many Americans took a long hard look at the challenges we face and voted for the person they thought had the intellect, the vision and the temperament to lead us out of it.

And that person rightly offered to earn the trust of the people who didn’t vote for him as he realizes we all need to come together, yes and sacrifice, to get this country back on track.

Nov 5, 2008 - 10:11 am 116. Bomb-a-rama:

…some nut jobs that think like so many on this site went around spray painting Obama bumper stickers and lawn signs black. Would you call these people Patriotic Americans?

Probably about as patriotic as these people.

Nov 5, 2008 - 10:12 am 117. TC@LeatherPenguin:

C’mon, Michelle,
You swore breathing allegiance to the NY Yankees, then rejected the ENTIRE team because they re-signed Clemens.

You’re just earning some writing clips with drivel like this. You don’t BELIEVE in anything.

You float on the wind.

Nov 5, 2008 - 10:13 am 118. Chuck Pelto:

TO: ixoye
RE: Indeed

when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn… — ixoye citing Provebs

Sackcloth and pipe-tobacco ashes, today. And a good dose of scotch as anesthesia.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[God is in control.]

P.S. And if He feels we need a chastisement for the tens of millions of innocent lives lost through selfishness since Roe v. Wade, I can only remember Abraham Lincoln’s inaugural address when he said….

“….as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said “the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.”

….and for what we are about to receive, may we truly be grateful….

Nov 5, 2008 - 10:14 am 119. Carin:

Josh- do you also take pride in the fact that you are woefully ignorant?

Nov 5, 2008 - 10:16 am 120. Josh:

Losing hurts, doesn’t it, neocon morons?

Nov 5, 2008 - 10:16 am 121. Brick Tamland:

I DON’T KNOW WHAT WE’RE YELLING ABOUT!!!!

Nov 5, 2008 - 10:23 am 122. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Carin
RE: Of Josh and Pride and Ignorance

do you also take pride in the fact that you are woefully ignorant? — Carin

I would guess he does, as the only one who is going to lose 2 wars are the Democrats, if Obama fulfills his promise.

That’s the epitome of ‘ignorance’ with ‘pride’. My working definition of ’stupid’.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid. -- Benjamin Franklin]

Nov 5, 2008 - 10:23 am 123. Charlie on PA Tpk:

For starters, unlike the many who oppose/opposed President Bush, who went to great lengths to state the he is not my president, President-elect Obama (and in January, President Obama) will get all the due respect he earned by winning the election. That I agree with none of his policies is beside the point; I will not show the utter contempt to him that many on the Left have shown to President Bush.

That being said… I hope my fears are proven wrong. My fears that all our taxes will rise (unless he extends the Bush tax cuts, they all will), that I won’t have to work a 2nd job to ensure my family won’t be forced to take universal health care, and so on.

And there’s a clear precedence that I will be proven wrong. Senator Obama has already gone back his promises, be they to go with public campaign financing, repealing FISA, repealing DOMA, or speaking out in earnest against Proposition 8. On these and many other positions, he’s flip-flopped on his promises.

As a Conservative, I can only hope he’ll do so with the rest of agenda.

But with the backing of radical Liberals, I doubt he will be able to back out on many, if any at all.

Nov 5, 2008 - 10:24 am 124. A.W.:

It is wrong to say “_____ is not MY President.”

It was true with Bush, it is true with Obama. Of course the Dems have long ago given up playing that fair, but two wrongs do not make a right.

I hope Obama will be successful, but let me say something else. I won’t support policy choices that I don’t think will be successful. We need to drill everywhere. We need new coal and nuclear plants. We need to make it clear to Iran that if they reach for that nuke we will blow them back to their maker. I am not going to relinquish those positions. I am merely going to hope that Obama will change to them. Maybe he will prove to be an even bigger phony than I previously believed and stab all his lefty followers in the back.

I’m not sure if the author of this means it that way, but that is how i feel.

Nov 5, 2008 - 10:30 am 125. Champ Kind:

It’s ANCHORMAN…not ANCHORLADY…AND THAT IS A SCIENTIFIC FACT!!

Nov 5, 2008 - 10:30 am 126. Rich:

CosaMostro:

So many people here are really upset about their taxes going up. I had no idea that people earning more than $250K had a lot of time on their hands to comment on blogs!

If it was only $250k, but not long afetre that number came out Biden was talking about $200k, then a little later $150k. Last wee or so Bill Richardson, an Obama advisor, said the middle class, those making under $120k, will not pay more taxes. At this rate it will be anyone dumb enough to actually work. Hump, maybe that is what we should do, stop working and just ask the feds for some money.
The rich are not those making $250k, I live in NJ, and in NJ and most of the Northeast that is middle class. But the rich did not get that way by being stupid and they can afford good tax lawyers and they will not be the ones to pay all the money Obama is going to need. it will be us in the middle. Not rich enough to hide it and not “poor” enough for him to come pay our bills.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gz78T_kvqUU

Nov 5, 2008 - 10:34 am 127. rocketeer:

Once again, those on the left find it very easy to extend the olive branch when they have won and they expect you to kiss their hinneys. When the shoe is on the other foot, they will fight you to their dieing breath. They have no concept of how to be “bi-partisan” other then for their opposition to agree with them.

For me, this man will never be my president, he is an unqualified marxist and most likely ineligible to hold the office.

Nov 5, 2008 - 10:36 am 128. majoriot:

Hey Chuck, I’ll hit those softballs.

Ideology before humanity.
Killing…how many Iraqi civilians? In the name of Imperialism

Profit before people.
Lack of oversight/regulation of corporations.

Jingoistic Imperialism.
Country first (like, soooo yesterday). Invasion of Iraq

Control before freedom.
Controlling someone else’s right to decide what to do with their body.

Nov 5, 2008 - 10:39 am 129. RJ:

“For anyone to still hang on to this idea that Obama hates his country is just preposterous.”

No it is not. I have never once heard him say he loved this country. I have heard his wife say that the first time she was ever proud of the country was when he was nominated.

We are such rubes, we just project what we wish he said.

Nov 5, 2008 - 10:39 am 130. Josh:

You’re right, we won in Iraq and Afghanistan, our troops are home and those two countries are reliable democracies who have no Al Qaeda or Islamic or Iranian influence. Congratulations, losers! You don’t even know when you’ve lost! Ahhhahahaha

Nov 5, 2008 - 10:40 am 131. Andrew Ian Dodge:

Your 8 years of conservative rule has fallen flat on it’s face.

Bush was a conservative (of any type) that is news to me for sure. He was a centrist Republican paternalist.

Nov 5, 2008 - 10:40 am 132. jane:

I agree that it is perhaps those people for whom race is a big deal that are seeing this election as a big deal. When did the Presidency become subject to an affirmative action plan?

Like others the author refuses to accept that many people opposed Obama not for the color of his skin but for his character and for his plans for this country. Why should those people take pride in the election of a man that they feel will bring harm to the nation?

When Al Sharpton, the comsumate racial agitator says that the election of Obama doesn’t refute white racism why should anyone feel pride?

Nov 5, 2008 - 10:46 am 133. Brick Tamland:

I hear their periods attract bears.

Nov 5, 2008 - 10:47 am 134. Melissa:

I didn’t vote for a black candidate when I voted for Obama. I voted for a candidate who was more intelligent, and I felt more capable to lead this country, one country, OUR country into a future of greater prosperity. I voted, not out of fear of irrational and unproven connections to socialists, commies, terrorists, but out of confidence for what American can be. Can you see the transparency of your hatred when you vilify a man for no reason? Can you see the ugliness of it? What you’re so scared of is a monster of your own creation. Hope you see the true beauty of this election some day soon, because it is awesome.

Sincerely, Your fellow American

Nov 5, 2008 - 10:48 am 135. Brian Fantana:

You hear that? Bears.

Now the whole station is in jeopardy.

Nov 5, 2008 - 10:49 am 136. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Majoriot
RE: Killing Iraqi Civilians?

Hey Chuck, I’ll hit those softballs. — Majoriot

Talk about avoidance…..

Show me our vast American Empire. Germany? Japan? Italy? Grenada? Panama? Kuwait?

It’s non-existent. And we’d be out of Iraq and Afghanistan too, in due time, after THEY were as stable as Germany, Japan and Italy were when we left them.

Your red-herring about ‘killing Iraqi civilians’, is just that…a red herring.

And all your other alleged evidence is based on the fallacious arg of Iraq being a new American territory.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[It is as sport to a fool to do mischief -- Proverbs]

Nov 5, 2008 - 10:50 am 137. sol vason:

I don’t think its praise worthy to elect just any black person - there are many blacks who are enormously more qualified to be President. Every one agrees that Colin Powell has vastly more experience and much better judgement.

So does Shaq O’Neil. Shaq understands the value of good defense and that you have top stand up to offensive people, hold your ground and never underestimate the other guy. Also he has no patience for people who don’t work and he understands both defense and offense wins games.

I wrote in Shaq and I am proud of my vote

Nov 5, 2008 - 10:51 am 138. Roark:

Melissa, maybe you can explain HOW Obama is going to actually do these things you speak of?

MELISSA SAID”Can you see the transparency of your hatred when you vilify a man for no reason? Can you see the ugliness of it?”
—What do you mean “for no reason”? And honeybuns, the truth aint ugly, it just IS.

Nov 5, 2008 - 10:52 am 139. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: Melissa

I felt more capable to lead this country, one country, OUR country into a future of greater prosperity. I voted, not out of fear of irrational and unproven connections to socialists, commies, terrorists, but out of confidence for what American can be. — Melissa

Good God in heaven…..

….where do these fools come from? Is the vaunted American public education system so bass-ackward that people like this are blind to all reality?

Must be based on Melissa’s ignorance about the connection between Obama and Ayers or Obama and Wright.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[A wise man feareth, and departeth from evil: but the fool rageth, and is confident. -- Proverbs]

Nov 5, 2008 - 10:54 am 140. jane:

Chuck - what else do you expect from a nation hooked on programs like American Idol?

Nov 5, 2008 - 11:00 am 141. Ron Burgundy:

Well, I could be wrong, but I believe diversity is an old, old wooden ship that was used during the Civil War era.

Nov 5, 2008 - 11:01 am 142. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: With Such Fools as These….

….when the truth comes out, one bloody way or another….

….they’ll be in such denial that the only way they could possibly live with themselves will to do away with the evidence and/or the messengers.

Sort of like the way the HAL 9000 did to the deep sleepers in 2001, just so it wouldn’t have to live with the shame of the secret.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Hang on to your hats, the fun will begin shortly.]

P.S. NOW CAN WE SEE THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE?

Probably not because there would be too much damning evidence and the fun would begin too soon.

P.P.S. I’ve seen the one proffered by Obama’s campaign. It’s lacking some interesting aspects that I see on MY birth certificate:

• Attending physician
• Hospital
• Number of children born at the time
• Seal
• Signatures
• The use of the term “African” to describe the race of Obama’s father, instead of “Negro” or “Black”.

Not to forget that the image looks VERY new. Not like a document that is over 40 years old.

Nov 5, 2008 - 11:04 am 143. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Jane
RE: Indeed

Chuck - what else do you expect from a nation hooked on programs like American Idol? — Jane

Hardly anything coherent.

I suppose Melissa is a recent graduate of high school, if not still in the K-12 range.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[If youth only knew....but the vaunted American public education system isn't teaching HOW to think anymore. It's teaching WHAT to think. And in only their flavor.]

Nov 5, 2008 - 11:06 am 144. Sleepless in Chicago:

Obama will be a centrist President who will not allow the balkanization of America. This will be important because our demographics are changing. Our leaders will have to bring us together not drive us apart. Republicans kicked people out of the tent until there there weren’t enough people left to hold the ropes. Conservatives labeled and discarded people without evaluating their worth. They let people on the fringes of the right kidnap the party. Obama will not allow the left fringe to do this. You’ll have to wait and see, on an Obama Presidency, just like me. If only I had had the prognostication skills that some of the posters claim. I would have gotten out of the market in time to save my 401K.

P.S. Is it that scary to have someone in power who simply does’nt look like you? It means you have to work to understand rather than stereotype, Minorities deal with it every day.

Nov 5, 2008 - 11:07 am 145. tom:

this article is severely flawed

pride in electing a black man

King said it
“judege not by color, but by the standard of their character”

we elected a demogod who used backwards racial tactics to get elected. MLK is rolling in his grave

Nov 5, 2008 - 11:10 am 146. Dave Surls:

“Do you take pride in knowing that your party ruined America’s economy and lost 2 wars?”

I’d rather “lose” the way we’re “losing” in Iraq and Afghanistan then win they way we won in WWI, WWII, Korea and Vietnam.

Nothing wrong with our economy that couldn’t be fixed by removing the statist controls that have been put into place by the liberal Democrats over the last 75 years.

As for Obama, I take no pride in his election. I don’t want a president who spent 20 years in a church that calls on God to damn America. I don’t want a president that consorts with Weathermen terrorists. I don’t want a president who makes a big deal out of NOT wearing an American flag pin in his lapel.

There’s nothing to be proud of here.

Nov 5, 2008 - 11:21 am 147. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Sleepless in Chicago
RE: Okay….

Obama will be a centrist President who will not allow the balkanization of America. — Sleepless in Chicago

….and what ‘key indicators’ do you suggest we look for that would prove your Hope[ful] pronouncement?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Never judge a politician by what they say. Judge them by what they do. -- CBPelto]

Nov 5, 2008 - 11:22 am 148. Rplatt:

Bull!

This is a political coup bought and paid for by the radical left. Take your unicorns and shove off . . . nobody is buying this crap.

Nov 5, 2008 - 11:23 am 149. Ron Burgundy:

I’m expressing my inner anguish THROUGH THE MAJESTY OF SONG!

Nov 5, 2008 - 11:28 am 150. Outsider:

As an outsider, I believe you all have lost it. Until you all remember the bible quote “It is better to trust the Lord than to put confidence in men” Psalm 118:9 (TLB), you will all understand why elections are held. This is just the beginning of the ending. I wish you all luck with your new President.

Nov 5, 2008 - 11:28 am 151. Korla Pundit:

>So many people here are really upset about their taxes going up. I had no idea that people earning more than $250K had a lot of time on their hands to comment on blogs!

You are an idiot. Who employs you? A business? What happens when businesses get hit by higher taxes? Put the math together.

Oh, that’s right; you can’t, because you are an idiot. And you aren’t employed by anybody. You still live in Mom’s basement.

Best place to be when a nuke goes off, actually.

Nov 5, 2008 - 11:34 am 152. Jim:

Yes, we have — or will have, on Jan.20 — a black president, and it’s a relief to have proven that that’s possible. But it’s not as big a deal as all that; it would have happened 12 years ago — and he would have been a Republican to boot — if Colin Powell’s wife hadn’t turned chicken.

Democrats love to call for unity and good feeling as soon as they’ve gotten their way, but they invented the “He’s Not My President” bumper stickers, and they’d have dusted them off this time if McCain had won, all the while grumbling about stolen elections and telling themselves that America had proven its hopeless racism by electing him.

Myself, I echo the words of John Wayne on Kennedy’s election in 1960: “I didn’t vote for him, but he’s my president and I hope he does a good job.” There’s a reason you have to quote a Republican to say that: no living Democrat has ever said it, and none living today will say it when, as it must, the White House changes parties once again.

Nov 5, 2008 - 11:39 am 153. Josh:

Dave Surls,
What’s the matter li’l Davey, is reality hurting you? Does it hurt to get your ass completely kicked in an election? Maybe you’re so used to losing–losing 2 wars, losing the entire economic prosperity that Bush inherited–that you’re growing immune. Naw, that would be cruel of me. I don’t feel your pain, Dave Surls, but I am laughing at your pain. AHAHAHAHHAHAHA

Nov 5, 2008 - 11:42 am 154. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Sleepless in Chicago
RE: Scary?

Is it that scary to have someone in power who simply does’nt look like you? — Sleepless in Chicago

See my item #3 in this thread.

It means you have to work to understand rather than stereotype. — Sleepless in Chicago

Gee? You mean just like Josh and Jonesy55 and Melissa do?

There are some wonderful examples of ‘understanding’. I’m particularly impressed with the one calling those of US who disagree with them ‘moron’. VERY UNDERSTANDING, that.

As I told a ‘physician’ who was touting his profession—by wearing a stethoscope draped over his shoulders—while he was going door-to-door for The One, “Physician heal thyself….and thy party too.”

I wonder how he’s going to react to the ‘redistribute the wealth’ program when he has to empty HIS pockets.

Minorities deal with it every day. — Sleepless in Chicago

Yeah. I see that frequently when I check the news. Heck. I recall being treated like a Green N-word, when I wore a uniform. The military is a ‘minority’ in large metro areas.

Been there. Done that…..

Then there are the Republican minorities who get their yard signs stolen—did you see the video—or their cars painted—see link above—or their signs taken punched—see line above.

Many Republicans understand ALL about being a ‘minority’.

To bad Democrats don’t walk the talk about ‘understanding’. Eh?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out....]

Nov 5, 2008 - 11:44 am 155. Tim:

Just because the election is novel for some of you older types, doesn’t mean the rest of us are happy about it. I’m not buying this “hooray for an historic election” crap for a minute.

Someone can raise my taxes, legislate me into being a felon, and generally screw me over regardless of their color, creed, or religion

Nov 5, 2008 - 11:47 am 156. Self-hating boomer:

I’m hearing some people say to be optimistic; that it wasn’t so bad when Clinton was president. Setting aside the fact that Clinton set the stage for 9/11, there are some significant differences between Clinton and 0bama that will make 0bama’s rule much more radical:

1) Clinton was a governor of a Southern state (which btw went for McCain). He understood flyover people. He understood where the middle is. 0bama has never met a normal American. He cut his teeth among the radicals and opportunists of the Chicago machine. He literally doesn’t understand anything but hard left philosophy. So he won’t see the political risk in tacking too far to the left, like Clinton did.

2) He owes the hard core marxists.

3) He’s unbelievably naive about economics. Clinton had enough sense to keeps his mitts off, and take credit for what the private sector did. 0bama is too naive to understand that all he can do is diminish the economy; he can’t do anything to help.

Another difference between the ’90s and now is that there was a very significant technological boom that was driving economic growth. There’s no counterpart to that now. And no, the “green collar” job mirage isn’t going to generate any wealth.

Which leads to this silver lining: He’s really going to screw the economy up badly in a way that Clinton had too much horse sense to do. It’s going to hurt all of us, but the rust belt will be particularly hard hit by all of the cap-and-trade and similar nonsense. In 2012, the blue band around the Great Lakes, from Minnesota to Pennsylvania will go for Palin.

I only pray that this happens before Israel gets nuked. If New York gets nuked, they at least asked for it.

Nov 5, 2008 - 11:57 am 157. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Sleepless in Chicago
RE: Oh. Yeah….

About that ‘understanding’ business…

….I almost forgot Obama flipping the bird to McCain.

VERY ‘understanding’, that. And I understand him VERY well.

Just the sort of ‘centrist’ we can expect a LOT from.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out....]

Nov 5, 2008 - 12:01 pm 158. Karen:

His color has nothing to do with it. He can be black, brown, red, pea green or purple. I don’t care. I’ll treat Obama like George Bush was treated by his enemies. Let the games begin.

Nov 5, 2008 - 12:01 pm 159. Paul:

THE FOLLOWING WAS SUBMITTED BY AN AFRICAN AMERICAN:

“But we have a black president, and that’s an important distinction to make, because it means something…. We elected his ideals, his vision, and his hope. We elected him because we wanted change. And now that the time for change is here, we need to embrace it, all of us.”

Yes, it means that we have elected a black man that has blatantly defied the US Constitution, that is the very basis of our freedom of speech, of the press, and of any pursuit of personal independence and personal satisfaction. I don’t have a problem with an African American in the highest office in our nation, but is it your conviction that we need someone OF ANY RACE OR ETHNIC background who shows contempt for the basis of our American culture? Is this the change YOU believe in and join hands with? I will never embrace anyone (including YOU) who is so determined to undermine our nation and put us at critical risk, via the policies and promises he and his wife have made during Election 2008, and savored even beforehand. NEVER!!!!

“Look at the pictures and videos from people around the country, even around the world, celebrating. There is an overwhelming emotion out there, and it is called hope. This is what Obama brings to the White House. This is what he brings to our country. You have to ask yourself, do I want to be a part of that hope? Or do I want to continue to live in fear of the unknown?”

Herein lies a frighteningly significant problem. ‘ALL AROUND THE WORLD, CELEBRATING”. This world, including the most hateful of our enemies and ill-wishers, rejoicing in the future administration of a man who will be their pawn and/or friend (nay, arguably already is both), the man who has ALREADY stated when times are difficult, he will stick with HIS BROTHERS THE MUSLIMS? Those who have vowed to destroy us? Does “DEATH TO AMERICANS” sound familiar? Those who keep saying this are the same who are rejoicing (among many passionately mesmerized Americans… UTTERLY SHOCKING!!! When did Americans trade in healthy and rightfully expected inquiries [for facts about candidates] for willful ignorance and uninformed, mindless EMOTIONAL voting, thanks to the American press, a.k.a. the Main Stream Media?)! Are these USA haters the company with whom you have also joined hands?

YES, I emphatically want to be in the company of those who hope, but NOT in a black man who brings ONLY “fear of the unknown” to the proverbial table. Ask yourself, HOW MUCH DO YOU REALLY KNOW ABOUT HIM?

“Benefit of the doubt. That is something the people who did not vote for Obama need to give to the president-elect right now.”

DON’T YOU DARE presume the right to advise me to give such an unfit man the benefit of doubt, if you embrace his version of hope and change. That benefit is for those who deserve a chance to SERVE AND PROTECT OUR CITIZENS with honor, integrity and dignity, NOT for an utter fool, who has no apparent intention of SERVING the American public, as prescribed by the US Constitution, the document he has dishonored. His intention is only to serve himself and his patrons/friends, CLEARLY!!!

“It is my hope that Obama can close that divide and bring us together, by being a man of the people, and a man for the people. We all want the same things. We want to fix the economy. We want to find a way to bring the troops home without disturbing the peace process in Iraq. We want to feel good about the future. We want to hope, and we want that hope realized.”

I have no doubt that bho will attempt to close the divide and bring us together, under the aegis of HIS nefarious and damaging preferences and control, which reflect similar preferences of his mentors and other enemies of the USA. I want nothing that you or he wants.

You say “Believe in America”. I do, which is precisely why I could not… did not vote for bho. He represents ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING unlike hope for the United States. GOD HELP US!!!!

Nov 5, 2008 - 12:04 pm 160. Mary Madigan:

I only pray that this happens before Israel gets nuked. If New York gets nuked, they at least asked for it.

What an asinine thing to say. No one deserves or ‘asks for’ a terrorist/nuclear attack.

Nov 5, 2008 - 12:14 pm 161. Nan:

This is the attitude that got us in this mess, “Let’s vote in a black president, because it is “time.” Not because he is qualified, but because it is “time.” Pfftt….

Nov 5, 2008 - 12:16 pm 162. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Tim, et al….You Younger Types
RE: Indeed

Someone can raise my taxes, legislate me into being a felon, and generally screw me over regardless of their color, creed, or religion — Tim

As the old adage goes….

No man’s life, liberty or fortune is safe while our legislature is in session. — Benjamin Franklin

And I think he KNEW what he was talking about, vis-a-vis King George III. And for the ignorant around here, I’m not referring to GW Bush.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Welcome to the party, pal! -- Bruce Willis, in Die Hard]

Nov 5, 2008 - 12:19 pm 163. ilyka:

As Americans, it is in our best interest to greet each new president with hope. Regardless of whether you voted for Obama, he is going to be your president. Each new president needs to be given the benefit of the doubt from the people who did not vote for him. He may not be your choice, but he is your president. This is your country. What better way to usher in new leadership in the White House than with a country that can come together and hope for the best?

Well said as ever, Michele. And not just hope for the best, but work for it, too.

That’s why I’m a little surprised you aren’t seeing more support here. It was my impression that Republicans believed in putting shoulder to the wheel–in hard work, in doing your best, in being self-reliant. And instead what I see in most of these comments is frothing hatred, rage, blame, and the most contemptible, dishonorable excuses for why they aren’t obligated to lift so much as one little finger in the effort to start solving some of our country’s problems.

And make no mistake, you seething gargoyles: It’s our country too, those of us who supported Obama, and we love it fervently. It’s our country, too, Michele’s and mine and yours and the PUMAs–this is the United States of America, and these United States have done something that literally would not have been possible even fifty years ago, and damn straight I am proud of that. You should be, too.

If you can’t be, you can at least put your spittle-flecked tongues back in your gaping maws long enough to show some of that RESPECT you’re always claiming is missing on the left but is glaringly absent here. Take a tip from Baldilocks, who’s going to pray for this president even though she didn’t vote for him. Practice some of the values you preach: Respect, honor, civility–or were those just convenient clubs to wield against the other side? Do your values mean anything to you? Do they rattle in your bones, make you catch your breath, raise your hand to your heart, blink away tears–do you have THAT kind of visceral patriotism?

Because if you don’t, you have no business lecturing Michele on hers.

Note to Chuck Pelto: Please do not send me a memo about this. This is the internet. The TO: and SUBJECT: fields are unnecessary.

Oh, I kid! The truth is, I’m dying to get a memo. I’ll print it out and frame it and laugh at it every day. Stay gold, Pelto.

Nov 5, 2008 - 12:22 pm 164. Matt:

I look forward to Bill Ayres as secretary of the interior, Jerimiah Wright as Obama’s Billy Graham and after the appropriate pardon, Rezco can be secretary of housing and urban development.

And for all the libs on this thread talking to me abotu civility, please feel free to kiss my white conservative. You folks haven’t been civil about anything in 8 years and your conduct has been deplorable. But now suddenly, its time to heal. WHy now ? Because you’re in charge ?

Liberals are like a joke with a horrible punchline.

Nov 5, 2008 - 12:26 pm 165. veracious:

Yah, pride that a president was elected with hundreds of millions of illegal foreign dollars.

Yah, pride that the new president believe that’s it’s perfectly normal for courts to create law out_of_thin_air, and plans to do so. Let me see, three branches, legislative _creates_ them, executive policies them and judicial is to judge according to them. Anybody left who gets it yet?

Yah, pride that he likely doesn’t meet the requirement in the US Constitution to be president, and there doesn’t appear to be anyone or anything that can do anything about it? I’d call that treason right off the bat.

Yah, pride that he’ll be sworn in with his hand on the Koran like he was before. That instills pride in our press which hid this new fangled Christian attribute from all.

Yah, pride that America, the land where law is king, has become a land of blatant lawlessness; those of the elite are clearly above all law. (See the above).

Nov 5, 2008 - 12:27 pm 166. JohnnyL:

This is MY country….right or wrong. BHO is President and the office of the President will always have my respect. However, he will have my brutal and fierce opposition on anything that I feel is not in my countries best interest.

CF Bleachers:
“If you have complained bitterly about the behavior of the opposition when they lashed out repeatedly and unfairly at your side, when they have ridiculed and lampooned you, when they called you stupid and racist and worse….showing them how it’s done graciously is your most powerful weapon.”

Turning the other cheek and being gracious will just get you spit on by the opposition. They always stand ready to do that. They deserve the fate of all bullies…..a swift kick in the nuts.

Nov 5, 2008 - 12:35 pm 167. Josh:

You’re not buying it because you’re a loser, and your loser party didn’t leave you any money left to buy anything. Losers!

Nov 5, 2008 - 12:37 pm 168. Will Becker:

And this is progress?Will unite us? I hate to burst the bubble but it’s divide,and divided we fall.

Nov 5, 2008 - 12:39 pm 169. Jon:

Well, we got some bitter people; here tonight including some fool from South Africa muttering something about a place called “Rhodesia” (Dear goodness1 Don’t these people ever stop peddling their failed prior existence in places with more evolved people?! They run away from Africa and come here looking to co-opt us into their inflated self-importance. All races are equal here. Get out of America with your racist nonsense. It’s not fashionable).

One person even claimed that Blacks have “NEVER” had less opportunities than Whites.
What nonsense. Some people are truly deluded. Go pick up a history book.

This is a bittersweet moment in history. America needed this–although it dies not need socialist policies.

We can celebrate one and hunker down to work against the other.

And stop whining! Don’t you know you sound like liberals?

Nov 5, 2008 - 12:45 pm 170. Cousin Dave:

Michele: It would be easier for me to accept your words if I didn’t have the last eight years as a blatant counter-example. The people who have just elected this new President have never, ever accepted me as an American. They have spent most of my life, going back to my teenage years, labeling me. Just as most of the Obama supporters in this thread have labeled me racist, homophobe, ignorant, backwards, and inbred.

Respectfully, Michele, I think you don’t see all of it because you are a woman, and therefore at least somewhat protected by both social and legal sanctions. As a male and a member of the “non-protected class”, I enjoy none of these protections. I am a member of the one demographic group against whom it is not only legal, but socially encouraged, to denigrate and discriminate againt. Bush’s opponents have made it very clear that their votes for Obama are in fact votes against me personally and against people like me. Because, you know, we are evil incarnate and the source of all of the problems in the world. If only we could be constrained, or better yet, destroyed, the world would be a so much better place.

No Obama supporter is going to hold out an olive branch to me, because I represent everything that they hate. I will not reject America, but it doesn’t matter because I don’t get to make that choice. America has rejected me. And given that there is no other nation on Earth that will take me, I stand today a man, politically and spiritually, without a country.

Nov 5, 2008 - 12:54 pm 171. jane:

Actually ilyka, respect needs to be earned.

Nov 5, 2008 - 1:00 pm 172. Chuck Pelto:

TO: ilyka
RE: [OT] Formating

Please do not send me a memo about this. This is the internet. The TO: and SUBJECT: fields are unnecessary. — ilyka

Actually, I see more and more people adopting something akin to my formatting style on these long threads. It helps to (1) direct the comment to the intended audience amongst these myriad viewers, (2) get the reader into the proper frame of reference and (3) provide evidence of what I’m talking about.

I’ve found that the sort of people who whine about this don’t really put much argument into what I’m saying. So instead of refuting/rebutting my args, they just shoot at the formatting in a futile second effort.

Hope that helps….

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. You’re welcome to print, frame, hang, and fling booger-wads from your nose at it…..

Nov 5, 2008 - 1:06 pm 173. Josh:

No no no, keep whining, I’m enjoying the shit out of watching you sad losers whine. “Whining First” is your motto, and don’t you forget it!

Nov 5, 2008 - 1:08 pm 174. Chuck Pelto:

TO: JohnnyL, et al.
RE: Well Said….But….

However, he will have my brutal and fierce opposition on anything that I feel is not in my countries best interest. — JohnnyL

….be prepared to be cut off from the internet if you use it to express any ‘brutal and fierce opposition’.

Why do I say that?

[1] We saw how The One attempted to use the offices of the District Attorney in Missouri to squelch a political ad on television.
[2] We saw how he threw out of his entourage reporters from three major daily newspapers that endorsed McCain.
[3] And I just got two accusations from my ISP that people on AOL have accused me of SPAMMING when all I did was reply to a list of addressees from a ‘friend’ of mine wherein I expressed my concerns about an Obama presidency. And that e-mail I sent was over a week old.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[They told me that if Obama was elected president, that criticism of him via the internet would result in punishment.]

P.S. I just didn’t expect it to begin until AFTER he was inaugurated…..heh…..

Nov 5, 2008 - 1:11 pm 175. Rick Moran:

I think the commenters expressing an opposite view of Michelle’s wonderful article are a sad, embittered minority.

I have to think that the majority of patriotic conservatives realize that we have one president at a time and that Obama deserves our respect and, when possible support.

And when he proposes doing something inimicable to what we believe to be in the best interests of America, we will fight him tooth and nail to keep him from succeeding.

This is the essence of “loyal opposition.” I don’t care if the Democrats were anything but. They are not and should not be our concern. They certainly shouldn’t be our role model.

We are in a heap of trouble. Hoping the new president fails in getting us out of trouble is not an option. Working to mitigate some of his more problematic policies is what should occupy us, not trying to undermine his legitimacy.

yes - Obama is my president. I am proud of America for choosing him. I will support him when I can.

And I will skewer his ass when I think he is wrong as Michelle will I’m sure.

Nov 5, 2008 - 1:34 pm 176. Dawn:

Pride? You must be kidding. The man is an empty suit. I don’t care if he’s orange. I take pride having a man as President that I can respect. I take pride in any journalist who treats both sides fairly. I take pride in a man who has paid his dues and shown merit and ability. There is none of the above in Obama. I don’t respect or take pride in anyone merely because of their color. This isn’t momentous; this is a travesty.

Nov 5, 2008 - 1:37 pm 177. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Rick Moran
RE: Hardly

I think the commenters expressing an opposite view of Michelle’s wonderful article are a sad, embittered minority. — Rick Moran

But you’re welcome to your opinion. But, if you can recall, I asked you a question a couple of weeks ago that you failed to answer….

….if, in your will to “skewer his ass”, you discover your access to the internet is terminated, what will you do then?

As I mentioned in item #174 above, I just received to notices that I’m accused of ’spamming’ by denizens of AOL for doing a Reply-All to an e-mail I received from a former associate about Obama. In that e-mail all I said was….”Every people get the governance they deserve”.

My ISP informed me that if they received many more such complaints they would terminate my access to the internet and, based on discussion, I suspect I would be ‘black-listed’ amongst ‘honest’ ISPs.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. I look forward to your answer to my question…..

Nov 5, 2008 - 1:42 pm 178. michele:

Didn’t get through all your comments and don’t intend to. I just want to address a few issues:

For anyone who thinks that I am praising Obama’s election solely because of his color did not read past the first paragraph.

Also, for those who knew me in the last election, or those who think they know me: I was a left leaning centrist my entire life, except for those few years after 9-11 when I crossed over. Keep that in mind when you want to insult me. I was NEVER a conservative. Ever. I voted Republican ONCE since 1980. The three years I spent as a Bush supporter pale in comparison to the rest of my years spent in the middle. The vote I cast yesterday is more in line with my true politics than the vote I cast in 2004. So you wingnuts don’t dare think I was ever one of you. I wasn’t. Nor was I ever, nor am I now, a left winger.

I’m just someone who thinks Obama is going to be good for this country.

Continue on with your nuttiness.

Nov 5, 2008 - 1:47 pm 179. malclave:

Pride? Why?

I feel disappointment. I believe that John McCain was the better candidate, and I cast my vote accordingly. McCain was defeated, though, and come January 20th Barack Obaam will be inaugurated as the next President of the United States of America. Senator Obama will deserve my respect and support as the person holding that office, but for me to feel “pride” would require him taking action to deserve it.

In short… I don’t care that he’s a black man. I’m going to respond the same way I would as if he were white, or Asian-American, or Native American. To do otherwise would be to judge him on not on the content of his character, but on the color of his skin.

Nov 5, 2008 - 1:50 pm 180. Ready to move on:

To the white men out there who feel the burden of “being the one unprotected class,” I feel for you. You do get a bum rap. Isee a crisis with young men of all colors. They do not perform as well in school and they increasing feeling disenfranchised.

It is a complex problem. Here is a solution. Start with the premise that we are all Americans and that we want what is best for the country. Give that respect. From that place of respect talk about solutions. Debate issues and don’t attack each other and see what happens. I bet we could get more done.

If we care about all American children, should we try to ensure that they all have an equal shot at education and opportuntity? If we want to own guns, shouldn’t we have sensible regualtions to ensure that those guns do not end up in the wrong hands? If I believe in a woman’s right to choose, shouldn’t work to create a world in which women feel that they have viable options? If I believe that this country was founded upon the right to practice the religion of my choice, should I work to keep church and state separate. Just food for thought. I would appreciate it if those who answer would do so with respect. I am genuinly interested in debate of the issue. Give me valid answers.

I hope Obama is forced to accomodate conservatives and truely reach across the aisle. I’m glad that there is not a super majority in the senate, because there is a check and balance. I remain convinced that if we are going to unite, we need to find common ground.

Nov 5, 2008 - 1:52 pm 181. Smith:

Interesting article, muddleheaded and specious, but interesting. Using Jackie Robinson as a comparison is a good example. It was a hugely significant event in breaking the color line. But the difference is that Jackie Robinson could play baseball and play it well.

Nov 5, 2008 - 1:58 pm 182. Marcy:

“No one can point to this nation and say, ‘Racists’”.
-Chuck Pelto

Indeed! They can point to the comments section on this blog for that! Since when did PJM become a Kos-like sewer of demented extremist readers?

Everything in moderation. Especially politics.

Your friend,
Marcy

Nov 5, 2008 - 2:00 pm 183. Chuck Pelto:

TO: michele
RE: Care….

I’m just someone who thinks Obama is going to be good for this country. — michele

…to place a little wager on that?

Care to identify the terms by which we’ll recognize ‘good’? And what could be recognized as ‘bad’?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. Thanks for demonstrating your ‘true color’ with that ‘nuttiness’ remark.

Nov 5, 2008 - 2:02 pm 184. Joshua:

Ha. Nice, guys.

Let’s see — if this were 2004 and our situations were reversed and I was ranting about how Bush is not my president, I guess you guys would all be accusing me of being a traitor and unpatriotic and all that.

Weirdly, I have no trouble distinguishing between your craziness and your values.

I respect your values. I find your craziness depressing and slightly amusing.

Nov 5, 2008 - 2:06 pm 185. CosaMostro:

Rick has it exactly right.

If conservatives focus their criticisms of Obama on the actual policies he proposes, then we’re getting somewhere.

The campaign has distorted so much of his tax policy and health care proposals that a great number of people are just spouting talking points that they got from a 30 second ad.

If you truly believe that an extra $700k in taxes on people who make over $2.5mm a year is going to kill jobs, ( http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/06/09/ST2008060900950.html ) then we can debate about that, and maybe find some common ground, or just agree to disagree.

But when clueless masses of people shout “socialist!” or “terrorist!” it just lowers the level of discussion to some lizard-brain Rovian nonsense that tears everyone down. The baseless character assassination has to stop.

Only a party that has completely lost faith in the tenets it supposedly stands for could go on in good conscience about Jeremiah Wright, as if that unbalanced huckster was any indication of the way Obama would govern.

I sat through years and years of Catholic mass, and we know now that the bishops in that august organization were knowingly moving pedophiles around to escape prosecution. Does that mean I palled around with pederasts? Of course not. It’s utterly ridiculous.

Losing power for a time will hopefully be a rallying cry to Republicans to return to their principles. If Obama lives up to his rhetoric, he’ll be listening to Republicans who have good ideas about how to use targeted privatization for cost savings, how to exert financial discipline to balance budgets.

The party has lost its way on issues like these, but certainly some of its members still remember that real public service comes from policy, governance, and a free exchange of ideas. Not from back-alley gossip and misleading character attacks.

Nov 5, 2008 - 2:09 pm 186. Susie:

Chuck Pelto-You rock the house.
Thanks for bringing some humor, insight and levity to one of the most distressing days I have experienced as an American.

I don’t care that Obama is black. One bit. If he was a conservative I would have voted for him.

I do care that he made this about race. He brought it up repeatedly and last night, he confirmed the fact that “CHANGE” really just meant, that he is black. And that’s the change. That’s it?!

I may have to eat the Hope ‘n Change Crap sandwich for 4 years, but I will never drink the Kool-Aide.

Nov 5, 2008 - 2:11 pm 187. BMoon:

Nope. Nada. Nunca. No pride here. Could care less about skin pigmentation. Never have my entire life and I’m over the 50 mark. We beat racism over a generation ago, not with Obama’s election.

We lost yesterday the opportunity to put two of the best people imaginable in office, and we settled for self-immolation. Hamas is sending the rockets over as we speak. Russia moved theirs back into Europe. Iran is huffing and puffing with confidence. The stock market is taking another nose dive. The world’s dictators, despots, thugs, and terrorists are all wetting their panties with glee at our weakness and stupidity, while they have their little greedy hands out with lips a’smackin’ and a’droolin’, waiting for Obama’s goodie bags.

I cannot congratulate this election when Hmas, Castro, Chavez are rejoicing.

Nov 5, 2008 - 2:20 pm 188. CosaMostro:

Oooo. Look out everybody, Obama’s staff is censoring Chuck Pelto!

As I mentioned in item #174 above, I just received to notices that I’m accused of ’spamming’ by denizens of AOL for doing a Reply-All to an e-mail I received from a former associate about Obama. In that e-mail all I said was….”Every people get the governance they deserve”.

My ISP informed me that if they received many more such complaints they would terminate my access to the internet and, based on discussion, I suspect I would be ‘black-listed’ amongst ‘honest’ ISPs.

AOL offers all its users a button to report an email as spam. If somebody on your recipient list when you hit “Reply-All” doesn’t like your email, they may (barely intentionally) report it as spam. Many people get in the habit of doing this to any email they don’t like, because they want their automatic filters to keep future similar emails out of their inboxes.

But to Chuck, this is a scary example that illustrates how the Obama campaign (and therefore administration) is pro-censorship! Hilarious!

Do you have any idea what “liberal” means? You know, that word that the right has absconded and turned into an epithet somehow?

A liberal believes you should be able to say whatever you want! Even if it’s something as stupid as blaming Obama for your AOL spam warning. Or as disgusting as burning a flag. Liberals defend people’s right to say things that they themselves do not agree with.

I understand you’re disappointed and bitter that your guy didn’t win, but at least try to stay consistent. If he’s a left-wing socialist terrorist sympathizer, it’s a real non-sequitur to call him a right-wing fascist censor-happy tyrant.

Now AOL, you’re right about them. They’re absolutely totalitarian.

Nov 5, 2008 - 2:21 pm 189. malclave:

“For anyone who thinks that I am praising Obama’s election solely because of his color did not read past the first paragraph.”

Actually, I did read your entire essay. It’s just that I didn’t see anything else to support the feeling of “pride” for people who did not support his candidacy.

Yes, he deserves our respect and support as the next POTUS.

You argue he may be the one who can bring Americans together. I suppose that maybe he will, despite my (and I believe others’) misgivings regarding his expected policies, especially with strong majorities in the House and Senate. If he does, THEN he will have earned my “pride”.

Nov 5, 2008 - 2:22 pm 190. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Ready to move on
RE: Just food for thought.

I would appreciate it if those who answer would do so with respect. I am genuinly interested in debate of the issue. — Ready to move on

Obviously, much of what you have questions about is off-topic to this thread. But what the heck. I enjoy good ‘debate’. So much so that I’ve judged it for years.

RE: Valid Answers

If we care about all American children, should we try to ensure that they all have an equal shot at education and opportuntity? — Ready to move on

There’s a difference between ‘education’ and ‘opportunity’. But I’ll consider it to be ‘opportunity for education’.

Yes.

However, WHAT education? The sort I witness coming out in the vaunted American public education system? Where I sit on a city-county commission and hear the local school district say what a GREAT job their doing? And then hear from the local university about all their freshmen that drop-out because they can’t do the math or read well enough to hack it?

I’m a profound believer in education. But I’m also not a fool about what’s going on in the K-12 range. Nor ignorant about what is happening in the realms of higher education.

We pour BILLIONS of dollars into public education. And it all seems to go for naught. 

So. What does one get an ‘education’ that is worth the money we, as taxpayers, pour into the system that is, for all intents and purposes failing our children and failing our country?

If we want to own guns, shouldn’t we have sensible regualtions to ensure that those guns do not end up in the wrong hands? — Ready to move on

Depends on what you mean by ‘sensible’. Here, in this state, we just elected a new senator who talks about ‘reasonable’ rules for drilling for oil. But, as always, the devil is in the details and what he’ll determine as being ‘reasonable’. If the regulations are so strict that it is uneconomical to drill, is that ‘reasonable’?

The same applies to what you may think as ‘sensible’ vis-a-vis weapons ownership. So….what DO you think is ‘sensible’?

If I believe in a woman’s right to choose, shouldn’t work to create a world in which women feel that they have viable options? — Ready to move on

We have viable options. And many of them can be used by women, as well as by men. And many of THOSE options do not require murdering a baby.

When do YOU think life begins? That is the key question that, when answered, will provide a better understanding of your position.

If I believe that this country was founded upon the right to practice the religion of my choice, should I work to keep church and state separate. — Ready to move on

There IS ‘separation of church and state’. But what do YOU think that phrase means?

Does it mean that someone can’t pray in the public venue? I know of people who have been arrested for doing such.

Or does it mean that the government—federal, state, county or municipal—cannot ORDER you to worship in a manner different than your honest convictions hold as true?

Or, if your form of worship is different from mine, do I have the right to stop you from worshiping in my vicinity because I don’t like it? Despite the fact that it is not intrusive or obnoxious or against some legitimate non-religious statute, e.g., requires human sacrifice?

Looking forward to your reply…..

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[In God we trust. Everyone else, keep your hands where I can see them.]

Nov 5, 2008 - 2:26 pm 191. Dave Surls:

“Didn’t get through all your comments and don’t intend to.”

In that case, I won’t be reading any more of your posts. I don’t much care to be preached at by people who aren’t willing to listen to a response.

If someone says something, and I respond, I expect them to do me the courtesy of at least listening to what I have to say.

Nov 5, 2008 - 2:34 pm 192. Matt, Esq.:

I also find it hilarious I had to listen to 8 years of the selected/not elected garbage but I’m being lectured by liberals about how I shouldn’t have a day or two to bitch our first socialist president before I accept it and move on.

Its like being lectured by a mime about grammar.

Nov 5, 2008 - 2:48 pm 193. susan:

josh wins, hands down, the title of the most pathetic person on this website.

Not only he comes here just to insult people and as a demented 3 year old vomit “you have lost ha ha ha” which surely shows some level of serious handicap, but he fails to understand that there are 300 million american losers.

I mean, chavez, iran and china are dancing in the streets with their guns about this election.

If the 2 brain cells josh has still doesn’t get this I have a sentence that might do.

For those who understand, no explanation is needed.
For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible

Josh belong to the second group.

Cannot wait to see how it will be to be praised by iran

Nov 5, 2008 - 2:50 pm 194. chuck,:

There’s been much talk about healing and uniting, but is it a marriage worth saving? Maybe the disagreements are just too deep. There are a goodly number of red states still; maybe we’d all be happier there among our own. We could paint them indelibly red. Have our own governments. Our own courts. Our own media. Our own society. It wouldn’t necessarily mean War of Succession 2.0. The other side might be just as glad to see the last of us.

Nov 5, 2008 - 2:51 pm 195. BC:

What a difference 4 years make:

Four years ago:
http://www.dembonessolee.com/daily_mirror_bush.jpg

Today:
http://www.lemonde.fr/opinions/article/2008/11/05/sorry-we-can-t-par-robert-sole_1115209_3232.html

Reagan’s “Morning in America” was chilly, cloudy and damp compared to the bright, sunny mood my area at least was in this morning.

Nov 5, 2008 - 2:59 pm 196. James Westlake:

Try and lose the hatred and bitterness in your hearts and take pride in an America that has rejected not only racism but the small minded and vile divisiveness of those such as Bush, Palin , Rove et al…

Please take a lead from John McCains gracious concession speech and get behind a new President who has already greatly restored America’s standing in the world simply by the symbolism he brings to the office.

God Bless Barack Hussein Obama, God bless America!

Westlake

Nov 5, 2008 - 3:07 pm 197. Joel Caris:

Nice article, Michele. Here in Portland, Oregon, we’re pretty liberal, so most of the city was celebrating the win. But man, when they showed shots on the news of North Portland, where much of our small black population lives, the celebrations were crazy. And I couldn’t help smiling huge watching that, because the amazing feeling I had must have been even more incredible for African Americans. I can’t even imagine what that must be like.

So yes, it is actually pretty frickin’ cool. And I’m feeling a lot of hope today. And, actually, this is my first presidential election in which my guy won, so that’s a new and very nice sensation.

Oh, and to some of the others here, acknowledging the historic nature and the sense of progress in electing a black man president doesn’t mean that people only voted for him because he’s black. People voted for his policies. I voted for his policies. The fact that he’s black is just a nice bit of added juice.

Nov 5, 2008 - 3:10 pm 198. susan:

wow, bc

I suppose the life of every american has changed because Le monde is kissing your butt for one second.

Note to you, who are so illiterate of all things europe.

Le Monde is universally known as LEMERDE if you know french and it is a leftist newspaper.

Wow, a thrill down your leg to be praised by a communist newspaper.

How would you feel when Iran’s Mullah will praise you between a stoning and a hanging?

Gosh, BC, it must be really horrible to be you, you are actually excited to be praised by france.

On a scale 0-10 your self esteem is around -1000

Nov 5, 2008 - 3:27 pm 199. Kirk Petersen:

One can disagree with Obama on the issues and still celebrate the silver linings of his victory.

Nov 5, 2008 - 3:37 pm 200. chuck,:

#196. You went to some trouble to compose your sermon, but if I may venture a criticism, you haven’t a clue how to talk to us. Perhaps your president can do better.

Nov 5, 2008 - 3:41 pm 201. lee:

Conservatives stop blaming the media and a so called “blind” electorate or affirmative action for your failures. The bottom line is that Obama and the Democrats wanted it more than you did.

No coherent message. No ground game. No confidence in your own ticket. No message that resonates with Americans who are educated or from major cities.

Simple math. How can you win states when you basically give up major cities. What good is winning Beaver Falls, PA with no more than 20,000 people when you lose Pittsburgh with 300,000? Congrats you won Berwick, PA to get your ass kicked in Philly.
Face it, the country is not center-right anymore. Americans are tired of holding Israel’s hand. We don’t care if Joe and Steve want to get married. GET A MESSAGE THAT RESONATES WITH PEOPLE THAT DOESN’T INVOLVE ABORTION GAY MARRIAGE PATROITISM TESTS!

Nov 5, 2008 - 3:42 pm 202. Roy N:

Saying “it’s a good thing a black man was elected President is a good thing” is racist?

No.

It’s a good thing that a black man was elected, not because he was black, but because the fact he was black didn’t stop tens of millions of white Americans voting for him. There is nothing racist about being happy about THAT.

Nov 5, 2008 - 3:46 pm 203. Per Andreas:

I wonder how come so many of you say it is totally irrelevant that Obama is black.

You must be blind not to see him at least as a symbol on enormous progress in racial relations. It´s not that long ago since segregation, people.

That certainly does not mean that your are not entitled to hate the guy for his politics. And his skin color does obviuously not qualify him for anything at all. But still, don´t you acknowledge that it means something? To everyone who live today and experienced segregation - from either part of the bus - it´s got to be amazing. I just don´t understand how you can totally disregard that.

Nov 5, 2008 - 3:47 pm 204. James Westlake:

susan,

why have you so much hatred in your heart?

btw do you really believe that La Monde is a communist newspaper or are you just saying it because you think it sounds clever? If you really do believe it is a communist newspaper I suggest you check your sources if not you should understand that making such statements makes you look ignorant and thus damages the credibility of any point you may be trying to make.

peace

westlake

Nov 5, 2008 - 3:48 pm 205. Josh:

Susan, it’s nice to see that my gloating ain’t botherin’ you a lick. Yep, your “I’m not hurt by Josh’s gloating” act has me fooled. No seriously, I think you’re taking it really well.

Nov 5, 2008 - 4:14 pm 206. trying to be positive:

I’m happy for the kids. They’re darling. I’m happy that we have a black president. That’s it. I don’t think this man has done anything to deserve the honor that he has received in his life. He is an arrogant person and not humble at all. Humility and patriotism are the qualities I would rather see.

Nov 5, 2008 - 4:27 pm 207. wormburner:

That would be awsome if you guys could spend the next 4 years talking like this instead of getting your own part back together.

Do you guys still think McCain will pull it out?

I mean, look at the people that were at his party last night. Should the 90% percent of us who arn’t “like that” care about people “like that”? and yes, I am jugding them with their nose jobs and eye lifts and long hair at 70 and their lame sweaters. Trust me, those people may have had a bad night last night, but today they’re back at the tennis club telling N_GGR
joke in the sauna.

The American people have spoken, and now it is you who are unamerican if you disagree. Thats a bed you made. now go to sleep!

Nov 5, 2008 - 4:34 pm 208. susan:

oooooooooooooooh james

spare me the psycho-analysis

I am european by birth, living in europe, I can recognize an anti american magazine when i see one.

Le monde is a leftist magazine, 70-80% of press in europe is leftist.

I have been living with this plague all my life. Leftist in europe means that those people think Stalin was a great reformer. Those people actually stay in parliament in EU, those are the people shaking hands with Castro, hezbollah, hamas and pretty much every scumbag of the world. Yet they have the guts to say that all the problems of the world are caused by usa and capitalism.

Memo for you: the right has been winning in all europe recently. Our main problem is not economy but immigration and criminality. Only the right can solve those problems, the left is too elitist, out of touch and busy granting victimhood status to criminals and immigrants.

It’s their reason-to-be. The left exist merely to exploit other people’ sense of guilt.

In this election, they see zerobama as the key to gain power again, but thankfully, the normal people don’t give a crap about obama being the first black president.

Now back to lemerde, what I said about the newspaper is true. I am EUROPEAN, this is my field. You are a poor obamatron. You believe the obama-mantra that everybody has to love USA so you get all excited that the french version of the pravda is praising your king.

There is nothing to be happy when france praises you because of such a silly reason. Remember, it’s the country that sold themselves to hitler without fighting.

Nov 5, 2008 - 4:34 pm 209. susan:

josh the idiot, zerobaama is not my president because i am not american, that’s why i am taking it really well.

whatever disgrace happens to usa, I at least hope it falls on people like yourself, and not decent people who didn’t vote for a mischievous person only because they didn’t want to look racist.

well, better to be racists than stupid.

Nov 5, 2008 - 4:43 pm 210. Bob:

He’s a Marxist no matter what color he is.

The fact that a black man was elected would elicit no emotion from me even if he was conservative.

I’m not sorry that his skin color has no effect on me, I only care about what he will do to my freedom – and I believe he will seek to destroy it.

Nov 5, 2008 - 5:23 pm 211. When Falls the Coliseum » A black guy won? Cool.:

[...] yeah, cool. As Michele Castano says, Yes, we have a new president. We have a Democrat president. But we have a black president, and [...]

Nov 5, 2008 - 5:30 pm 212. AnAverageAmerican:

I’m proud that the US can elect a black president, but I feel that the election of Barack Obama as that first black president, is embarrassing. It’s not embarrassing because he’s black. It’s embarrassing because his resume is so thin that a rational voter might have considered him for the House of Representatives, but no serious political observer would consider him qualified for the Presidency. If Obama was a white male would he have had any chance of being elected? Indeed, even being selected as his party’s candidate?

Rational voters didn’t elect Barack Obama, he was elected by an anti-Bush mob. Look at the voters in Harlem who supported his selection of Sarah Palin as his running-mate, and his pro-life policies (as unearthed by Howard Stern). Look at the woman at his rally who was overwhelmed with emotion because if Obama won, “she didn’t have to worry about paying for gasoline or her mortgage payments”, any longer.

There’s a not-so-fine line between hope and demagoguery … I’m afraid Obama was on the wrong side of that line. I fear his presidency will evoke memories of the Carter years, and might be enough of a disaster (not entirely of Obama’s doing), that it might be a long while before we see the second black president.

Nov 5, 2008 - 5:53 pm 213. BC:

To Susan: Now, now, be nice and maybe honest — that was an awfully, awfully nice thing that La Monde published:

“Sorry. No column today. The keyboard is not responding. History is a page being turned. Three words on the screen: ‘Yes we can.’ While it is impossible to joke with genocide or disaster, it is equally impossible to joke with an event that makes you weep for joy. The first worldwide good news since the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989 needs more than a pirouette or an amused wink. At this moment - but for how long? - we can say with far more conviction than on 11 September 2001: we are all Americans.”

At the very least, you should be able to admit that it beats the heck out of what Daily Mirror had on its cover 4 years ago, and which summed up what an awful lot of people worldwide thought: “How can 59,054,087 people be so DUMB?”

Nov 5, 2008 - 6:14 pm 214. susan:

bc, you keep on beating the dead horse.

you don’t have enough brain that any person is flattered when you submit to him.

France is widely know in europe and throughout the whole world to be the personification of arrogance. I know, you are not enough educated to know it. You need reassurance about how much the other like you. That speaks more about your insicurity than else.

I am in a country bordering with fwance and we don’t give a $hit about what they think, we know them to be full blown hypocrites.

You don’t, you simply fall for those stupid lines.

Tomorrow, they will go back hating you, it’s in their nature. God forbid if obummer needs an extra 2 soldiers from fwance!!! They will not hesitate to call you warmonger in 2 seconds.

Doing things to please other countries is extremely stupid. But people with no self-esteem like yourself fall for it entirely.

I am being honest. If you were more intelligent you would know that there are entire leagues of books that explain the natural hatred that french people have for USA. I am sorry it’s there in libraries, and it’s FRANCE mostly, not other countries.

It’s envy.

Now you are the good boys because you, in spite of logic elected a black president and showed the world you are not RAAAAACIST.

It’s quite also hypocritical of them because they killed so many black people in africa it’s not even fun.

They are patting you in the head because you are not behaving like typical america (which is taking care of your interest) but you are behaving like french people have idea of themselves, the healer of the world. So you bowed down to france’s grandeur.

My country has got its problems but one thing i can tell you for sure, we never gave a crap about what france wrote of us. It would be considered degrading for whoever to take into consideration.

BC, I do not consider you very intelligent, especially in this trip you have about trying to understand how europe sees you. You have no clue.

You are liked when you are weak. And when you are hated it’s like when kids say to parents “I hate you” because they cannot get their toys.

Sorry you cannot understand it.

If you have time search how many europeans wants to move or work in the USA, and search also the OPPOSITE (american people wanting to emigrate in europe). Maybe that will be an eye opener. But my hopes are not that high

Nov 5, 2008 - 6:39 pm 215. Scott:

Michele, good to see that your analysis in voting for Hussein was as shallow as the other 63 million idiots that voted for him. The liberals don’t just get to have unity now that their side won. No. I will forward ever conspiratorial email (even if false), spread every rumor, and show the same disrespect the liberal socialists showed my president for the last 8 years. He will never be “President Obama” when I refer to him it will simply be “Hussein” or “Osama”. I will speak of him as a Marxist, a friend of terrorists, and a hater of the military. All of those descriptors are facts. Hussein doesn’t get a pass on screwing up as President because he’s black. I am tired of being a doormat for hateful liberals that continue to snipe at my ideals from the trees while I march over open ground in neat, uniformed lines. Forget that. Let’s go ahead and get the next civil war over with…better than the slow defeat REAL America has suffered and is still suffering. To borrow a style from Hussein’s spiritual guide. NAH NAH NAH NAH…NOT GOD BLESS HUSSEIN OBAMA!!! GOD D*** HUSSEIN OBAMA!!!

Nov 5, 2008 - 6:50 pm 216. David:

Scott your an idiot.
The reason people hated Bush (The key word being “people” of every party and culture) was because he was an idiot who drove us further into an economic crisis by his economic plan. Who got us into a war overseas. He had about the mental capacity of a pregnant pig. People around the world though he was a babbling buffoon. Spreading untrue rumors about him being a terrorist, socialist, marxist and whatever other degrading -ist you can think of will not help to turn the economy around. I believe even your own candidate encouraged you to support the new president and give him credit where credit is due. And it can easily be seen that he is due lots of credit. And to even propose a new civil war shows how idiotic you are. I realize this is irrational rambling, but do you understand the destruction a civil war will cause and caused. You talk of “real america.” I suggest that you read up on “real american” history.

Nov 5, 2008 - 7:37 pm 217. Al Fin:

Take pride in being raped? I don’t think so. But thanks anyway.

Nov 5, 2008 - 7:46 pm 218. Mitch:

I didn’t vote for him, but I am glad he got elected on one count: we can now tell the rest of the world to STFU about American racism until they can match this result. Ask the French how many “beurs” they have in their legislature.

Why couldn’t it have been Condi Rice? I would have loved to have a president who could tell Putin to get stuffed in his own language.

Nov 5, 2008 - 7:47 pm 219. susan:

david look at the hypocrisy of you leftist.

what was the threat of the polite obamba supporters if he had lost?

The easiest thing was the LA riots. You gotta have guts to come and lecture people about “telling around he’s a marxist”. Jesus, you animals promised destroy entire cities!

i hope this shuts your mouth on the subject. The left cannot be more hypocritical than this.

This means that any potential loss in the election of the black candidate is threatened with riots on grand scale. My compliments, you have really set a true democratic standard for the future elections.

Nov 5, 2008 - 7:55 pm 220. m:

This is the end of the American Dream. No law. No restrictiions on the power of government.

Nov 5, 2008 - 8:02 pm 221. Justin Pursley:

“And it can easily be seen that he is due lots of credit. ”

What credit? Aside from running a campaign based solely on good looks and charisma (ok, I will give him credit for that) what has he accomplished? What other accomplishments did he have to run on?

Nov 5, 2008 - 8:21 pm 222. Horace Wells:

Michelle, I have more respect for you than most of the bit spewing hacks who blog here and I appreciate your attempt at sanity and moderation. But since this blog is dominated by hate filled, unreasonable, selfish and not to bright fanatics, it is an exercise in futility.

That’s right folks, go scream and sulk and predict the worse then accuse Obama every chance you get to show everyone that right can out-do the left anyday at rabid, subnormal invectives

BTW: W. had it pretty good with the press until Iraq. Since at best Iraq was a mistake, can you people ever accept any responsibility for your actions?

Nov 5, 2008 - 8:24 pm 223. Justin Pursley:

“a friend of terrorist” vs “rumors about him being a terrorist”

Funny how whenever someone points out his associations others set up the straw man of someone accusing him to be a terrorist to knock down. He is a friend of an unrepentant terrorist. Deal with it. This is the character of the man behind the good looks and charisma. This is our next president. This is the guy who won over a genuine and proven patriot.

Nov 5, 2008 - 8:24 pm 224. Horace Wells:

David,
Stop trying to reason with a brick wall. There is nothing in his brain except hate and slogans.

Nov 5, 2008 - 8:27 pm 225. Horace Wells:

For the people here foaming about Hamas, Castro, Chavez , Iran and North Korea as they are some major threat to life here, I laugh at your paranoia. We beat down the real communist and fascist powers before yet you want to hide under your bed over some suicide bombers and snipers. There is effective medicine for such dementia and paranoia!

Nov 5, 2008 - 8:32 pm 226. vermin:

I have never held the slightest doubt that America conservatives would vote for a black conservative, or that American liberals would mindlessly elect an utterly undeserving candidate simply because he is not white.

I am not surprised by Obama’s election, nor am I proud of it. To the contrary, I would have previously thought it impossible to be this disgusted by and ashamed of my country.

Nov 5, 2008 - 8:52 pm 227. exDemocrat:

Obama won because he was a DEMOCRAT non-white.

The media and Democrat Party DESTROY people of color if they are Republicans/conservatives.

I take no false pride in this crap.

This was the O.J. Simpson trial, only on a national scale.

Say hi to President O.J.

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:15 pm 228. glc:

Pride?

Are yo joking?

A lying socialist who wants to take my money and give it to . . . some lazy asshole? I don’t think so.

You take pride. I can’t afford it.

I’m too busy working.

America as we knew it is dead.

Screw Obama.

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:17 pm 229. glc:

The next time I hear some black person bellyaching about how rough life is, and how folks are racists and they don’t have a chance, I’ll tell them to shove it. I’m sick and tired of it.

I’ve worked my ass off to get a law degree, start a business and build a home. And I still drive an old car. Yes. An old car.

Again, Obama can shove it.

And those who voted for–I’ll just laugh at them.

No more tips from me.

No more charitable contributions from me.

No more bonuses.

I’ll be firing at least two employees.

No more Christmas parties for my workers.

Why should I? The government takes tons of money already, and Obama will take more.

Capital gains tax will go up. Can you say rape?

That’s it. Rape.

I’m laughing at all the idiots who voted for Obama.

Idiots.

Kiss America goodbye.

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:20 pm 230. exDemocrat:

The reason people hated Bush (The key word being “people” of every party and culture)

—–
I didn’t hate Bush AND I VOTED FOR AL FREAKIN’ GORE.

The ONLY reason people “hated” Bush was that the media and Dem Party could NOT have a Republican President successfully wage a war that would make him popular….so they sought to destroy him and our troops. THAT’S when I bailed out of the traitorous Dem Party.

So STFU about “why people hated Bush”…it was pure politics while our troops were fighting and DYING on foreign soil.

But what else can we expect from the Party of Jhon Kerry, Barak Obama, Bill Ayers, Louie Farrakkhan, Rev. Wright, Charlie Rancid, Nancy Pelosi, Hairliess Reid, Dickless Durbin, Traitor Murth, and on and on and on.

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:20 pm 231. glc:

And today is my birthday.

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:21 pm 232. exDemocrat:

“For anyone to still hang on to this idea that Obama hates his country is just preposterous.”

———————
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU9iCANi02o

Now, drop dead.

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:29 pm 233. exDemocrat:

Hopefully the recent “cult of ignorance” & profiteering cronyism has ended in America.

—————
I guess you’ve never heard of George Soros?

Good gawd…..no wonder Barry won. Morons. Oh well.

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:33 pm 234. McSame:

HA HA HA you people are pathetic. Good luck getting the presidency back hahahahahahah.

Nov 5, 2008 - 10:32 pm 235. DaveinEurope:

“As Americans, it is in our best interest to greet each new president with hope. Regardless of whether you voted for Obama, he is going to be your president. Each new president needs to be given the benefit of the doubt from the people who did not vote for him. He may not be your choice, but he is your president. This is your country. What better way to usher in new leadership in the White House than with a country that can come together and hope for the best?”

Hope, yes, but hope is not a plan. He will be my President, and I will respect that office, but I do not have to accept his concepts or his political theories. We have to remember that the US Presidency is in many ways not like most other leadership positions in the world– He is not a King, nor even a Prime Minister. He cannot rule by decree. In the US, we have checks and balances, and just because his party was elected, it does not mean that he should be supported and allowed to rule unchecked. I will give him the respect the office deserves, and I will dedicate my efforts for the next four years to keeping him from enacting as many of his policies as I can. That is the essence of American Democracy– Just because he won does not mean that he can or should be able to do everything he wants. A strong opposition is what we need right now.

“That government is best which governs least.”

Nov 5, 2008 - 10:54 pm 236. Pajamas Media » What I Saw at the Obama Revolution:

[...] Obama “heal” America as Michelle Catalano asked in her PJM column on Wednesday? No one knows the answer to that question. No one knows if this man [...]

Nov 6, 2008 - 12:02 am 237. portia9:

Er, ok fine. Cool, just over half of the voters elected an African American man as President. Whoop dee doo.

I guess it’s a Canadian thing, but I just don’t get why this is such a big deal. Don’t we have black billionaires? Isn’t our popular culture inundated with black entertainers? Don’t we have millions of black professionals? It’s kind of insulting that this is such a big deal. I mean insulting to black people. And white people, come to think of it. And Asians. And especially Native Americans because we all know there is no freaking way a Native American is likely to become POTUS any time soon. Or a woman, but that’s a story for another day.

It’s like there’s this assumption that no way could a black person become President. Well, why the hell not? Because black people are oppressed somehow? Because white people are racist? Really? Does any rational person still believe that systematic discrimination still exists in this country? Really?

Barack Obama, President Elect of the United States of America has had every conceivable advantage this country has to offer. He has attended the very best schools. He has had fortune smile on him every step of the way. The media adores him, his cultists worship him, his party has cheated and broken rules for him. His dubious associates? Glossed over. His lack of achievement and accomplishments? Pooh poohed. His lies? Ignored. What hardships has this man ever faced? Not a single one.

Please tell me why the little child growing up somewhere in destitution on an Indian reservation ought to feel pride today? Please tell me why people like myself, who emigrated to this country seeking a better life for themselves and their families ought to care about elevating an unqualified, inexperienced, pampered, cosseted megalomaniac to the highest office in the land?

Nov 6, 2008 - 12:08 am 238. James Westlake:

Susan:

“Le monde is a leftist magazine, 70-80% of press in europe is leftist.”

Le Monde is a newspaper not a magazine you could of at least tried to get that right.

“You are a poor obamatron.”

Nope, just someone who belives Obama will be a very good President just like the majority of Americans who voted yesterday do.

“You believe the obama-mantra that everybody has to love USA”

nope, but an America that the world can respect is a good thing for both the world and America.

“so you get all excited that the french version of the pravda is praising your king.”

Not partically but it is nice to see the whole world celebrating.

btw Obama is not my King. He is not even my Prime Minister.

peace

James Westlake

Nov 6, 2008 - 12:35 am 239. md:

“HA HA HA you people are pathetic. Good luck getting the presidency back hahahahahahah.”

Liberals are now screaming all over, GIVE THE MAN A CHANCE!! We’ll give Obama the same CHANCE/RESPECT you gave George Bush. Seems fair to me…

Nov 6, 2008 - 1:43 am 240. Jonesy55:

Susan said:

“France is widely know in europe and throughout the whole world to be the personification of arrogance. I know, you are not enough educated to know it. You need reassurance about how much the other like you. That speaks more about your insicurity than else.

I am in a country bordering with fwance and we don’t give a $hit about what they think, we know them to be full blown hypocrites.

You don’t, you simply fall for those stupid lines.

Tomorrow, they will go back hating you, it’s in their nature. God forbid if obummer needs an extra 2 soldiers from fwance!!! They will not hesitate to call you warmonger in 2 seconds.

I am being honest. If you were more intelligent you would know that there are entire leagues of books that explain the natural hatred that french people have for USA. I am sorry it’s there in libraries, and it’s FRANCE mostly, not other countries.”

You have just betrayed your own hatred and small-mindedness. France was the USA’s first friend and most French are good, kind people who want to lead a decent life as are most people all over the world. Your dehumanising propaganda will not fool any of those who are able to think for themselves.

There is an element in French society that doesn’t like certain things in the US, this element exists in other societies too, even the US itself but that’s no reason to slander the name of an entire people, it’s perfectly valid to not like some things in the USA, why should opinions just be censored or condenmed because you don’t like them?

It must be said that there are some incredibly bigotted websites based in the US which are solely dedicated to the hatred and mockery of France and there is a streak in US society that has a kneejerk dislike of France just as it exists the other way round, both are as dumb as each other but please don’t pretend it’s a one-way street.

Nov 6, 2008 - 1:56 am 241. Chuck Pelto:

TO: realitychiq
RE: A Saturday Night Live Moment

Judging from the number and volume of your posts just on this thread alone, it is clear you are having a very difficult time dealing with this ‘crisis’ of Obama winning the election. — realitychiq

“Jane, you ignorant s—…..” — Dan Ackroyd on SNL in the 70s.

I’m taking breaks between bouts of debugging code. It takes a while for the run to get to the place where I’ve set the breakpoint. Those periods are ideal for dropping by here to ‘clear my head’ of algorythms.

Gearing up to get back into it now, waiting for the coffee to brew and catching up on what’s going wrong in the world.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. I think Susan made an excellent comment about you over on Michele’s earlier thread….

But this how the world is, the leftist idiots hate you but they come back to you all the time. — Susan

You’re obviously proof of her excellent grasp of reality.

P.P.S. TO: Susan….

TARGET! Load SABOT. Rengage!

Nov 6, 2008 - 2:21 am 242. Chuck Pelto:

P.P.P.S. TO: realitychiq

If you neglect your work because of your anti-Obama obsession, you may soon find that you are out of work and in need of an Obama ’socialist’ handout. — realitychiq

What are you suggesting here? That my failure to accept Obama as The Second Coming will get me fired?

Hardly likely to happen, as I work for myself.

But I appreciate your warning of that sort of threat. I’m certain that others here who do work for other people will appreciate it and the implication as well.

Nov 6, 2008 - 2:30 am 243. Chuck Pelto:

TO: James Westlake
RE: R - E - S - P - E - C - T!

….an America that the world can respect is a good thing for both the world and America. — James Westlake

Problem is that US’ll get little ‘respect’ from those who consider US unarmed or unwilling to use what arms we have.

As an old philosopher pointed out LONG ago….

Among other evils which being unarmed brings you, it causes you to be despised. — Nicolo Machiavelli, The Prince

‘Despised’ is the opposite of ‘respect’. The Japanese Empire of 1940 despised US. They thought we were gutless wonders. So they attacked US. The result being a number of millions killed.

Getting an idea here?

I hope to God that Obama has more backbone than all the key indicators say. Otherwise, we’re in for an interesting time in the not-too-distant future.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[May you live in interesting times. -- Ancient Chinese curse]

Nov 6, 2008 - 2:47 am 244. susan:

some leftist

“He is a friend of an unrepentant terrorist. Deal with it. This is the character of the man behind the good looks and charisma. ”

standards are so low, what’s next? he’s a friend of pedophile, that means character

“For the people here foaming about Hamas, Castro, Chavez , Iran and North Korea as they are some major threat to life here, I laugh at your paranoia. We beat down the real communist and fascist powers”

CORRECTION: the left usually sleeps in bed with fascist and communist powers. You never BEAT DOWN, conservative values and republicans did.

““Le monde is a leftist magazine, 70-80% of press in europe is leftist.”

Le Monde is a newspaper not a magazine you could of at least tried to get that right.

Why? your adoration for foreign press is a lot more reflective of your low self esteem than else.

Here’s what Le monde did:

France’s most authoritative newspaper has been forced to admit that it was fooled by gruesome photographs, supposedly of the 1945 atomic attack on Hiroshima, which have stirred anti-American sentiment this week.

This is the people who you admire. They fabricated false hiroshima gruesome photos just to steer anti american feeling.

And you are kneejerked because they praise you now?

This is the people you want receive respect from. A bunch of opportunist, ungrateful liars.

“btw Obama is not my King. He is not even my Prime Minister.”

we know, he’s your dear leader

Nov 6, 2008 - 3:23 am 245. Chuck Pelto:

P.S. Jimmy Carter comes to mind. And how the Iranians despised US.

And now the Iranians STILL hate US. And they’re working on getting nukes, too.

Are we learning yet?

Do you live in a major metropolitan target?

Nov 6, 2008 - 3:28 am 246. susan:

jonesy 55, don’t speak about things you have no clue about.

France hystoric anti americanism is real and well documented. the fact that some slutty french monkey gave you a blow job once doesn’t really count.

Feel free to read all those links before getting back to me with your stupidity and poor knowledge of the subject

http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/723682.html
http://www.cs.princeton.edu/~chazelle/politics/antiam.html
http://goinside.com/03/5/anti.html
http://www.understandfrance.org/France/Intercultural2.html

and google france anti-americanism for a good 300,000 result.

PS. fwance anti americanism didn’t start with bush, it started a lot earlier.

So this is the people who you want the appreciation of.

I repeat again, we neighbours of europe know better not to trust dirty and arrogant backstabbers like the french.

But go on being in denial. After all, a president who hangs around with terrorist is someone with character.

Nov 6, 2008 - 3:30 am 247. hp:

Wearyman: “Let’s take some pride in Obama’s Election.” - Michele Catalano

“No.” - Me

x 2.

there is no pride in a dirty win.

none.

almost put my real name on that one.

almost.

don’t have my supply of raw meat handy to fend off his attack dogs who would make sure life was miserable in return for that little thing called freedom of speech that i just expressed.

goodness help us all now that they see how far they can get by playing completely low down filthy.

Nov 6, 2008 - 4:07 am 248. Snorri Godhi:

The funny thing about this article is what it does not say: that Obama himself thinks that the 1950s were some kind of American Golden Age, a time when his late father’s dream was to study in America.

I myself am happy not to live in a country with a backward-looking, untested, and inexperienced leader, whose past has not been much investigated.

Other than that, this is a good article, and I am still pro-American.

Nov 6, 2008 - 4:43 am 249. Matt:

*God bless America!*

Amazing how its changed from “god damn AmeriKKA.” Hypocrite thy name is liberal.

Nov 6, 2008 - 5:37 am 250. Chuck Pelto:

TO: realitychiq
RE: [OT] Nothing but Ad Homs?

This never happens with you, Chuck. It is so EASY to push your buttons; so easy to get under your skin. And you reliably and reproducibly react in anger, name calling and/or paranoia every single time. As an experimental organism, you are a behavioral scientist’s dream come true! — realitychiq

Is that all you can contribute to this discussion? First a failed effort at dissuading me from posting here. And now a mere ad hom dehumanizing me as some sort of experimental animal.

I thought you lefties were supposed to be sooooo ‘feeling’ for other people. Obviously it only applies to those who agree with you.

Oh well….

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. You should get over this infatuation of yours with me, girl. I’m already married to the woman in Proverbs 31. And she reminds me of the female lead in the movie Life Force. Indeed, they share the same maiden name.

Nov 6, 2008 - 5:39 am 251. James Westlake:

Susan,

Your argument seems to be disintegrating into a meaningless rant…

“And you are kneejerked because they praise you now?”

I don’t think Le Monde has ever praised me - you now seem to be confusing me with the President elect of the USA.

“dirty and arrogant backstabbers like the french.”

You have so much hatred and bitterness in your heart that you could even think of branding an entire people as “dirty” - can’t you see where that kind sentiment leads?. Think of Jesus before you spout such ugly and hateful sentiments.

Remember God is always watching you.

God Bless America

Westlake

Nov 6, 2008 - 5:44 am 252. Matt:

On the upside, liberals, EVERYTHING that happens from Jan 09 to Nov 2012 is your parties’ fault. No excuses. FIx everything. Lower taxes. Cut spending. Heal the world. Fix the Middle East. Solve Global Warming. Pay mortgages. Go after corrupt CEOs.

All of this your candidate has promised. When he can’t deliver, the only persons left holding the bag this time around, will be the democratic party. There will be no Bushhitler to blame. Karl Rove cannot use his weather machine to destroy cities no longer. Dick Cheney will not be involved in foreign policy.

So before you gloat too much about the demise of the republican party, I’d suggest you think very hard about everything Obama promised and how much he can realistically deliver as president. And to assist him, Reid, Pelosi, Schumer, Dodd, Frank, Murtha, Kerry. Quite an all star cast of do-nothing loudmouths. Shall I remind you congressional approval of the DEMOCRATIC majority congress was hovering around 10% ?

For example, how is that lady gonig to react when she finds out Obama is NOT going to pay for her mortgage and her gas. But … but … Obama promised …. !

I’ll fiddle as the country burns, at least for 4 years, and I’ll be prepared with the fire trucks and hoses at the end to put out the crashing and burning of our glorious BDL (Black Dear Leader).

Nov 6, 2008 - 5:44 am 253. Chuck Pelto:

TO: James Westlake
RE: Citing God to the Godless

Think of Jesus before you spout such ugly and hateful sentiments. — James Westlake

I don’t think that Susan is a believer in God. Let alone, Jesus as Emanuel; God with Us. Otherwise her comportment would be different. Don’t you think?

I’ve found that citing Him to those who disbelieve usually REALLY torques them off. Witness realitychiq. But for some strange reason, which Susan touched upon, they keep coming back for more. It is a mystery. But God has put into the heart of man a desire to learn about Him. And maybe therein lies the source of their frequent anger and their often violent denial of Him

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Jesus astonishes and overpowers sensual people. They cannot unite him to history, or reconcile him with themselves. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson]

Nov 6, 2008 - 6:13 am 254. Deborah:

With all due respect to Mr. Obama and the black people in our nation:

As the black race is proud of a black person being President - elect, we should have had a person of real character and not one, as Mr. Obama is, of only black color with bad character.

I will never take pride in Obama as our President-elect. Never, Not ever!

Look at just a couple of things he stands for:

1)Abortion - beyond that - he voted to kill the babies out of the womb when they lived.
2)Gay marriage - he voted for that

Further:
The facts state that Obama is not a natural citizen of the U.S., but he was born in Kenya
The facts remain that Obama is and continues to be associated with known muslims and terrorists, who are out for the destruction of America.

Any person who calls themselves a Christian and stands for or voted for Obama, is not a Christian - no way, no how. A Christian is a disciple of Jesus Christ, if you voted for Obama, you are not that - you cannot vote for him and his positions and be a disciple of Jesus Christ.

The muslims will never make peace - not unless they are converted to Christianity, or unless they leave this earth.

This is the darkest time for our nation, for America, if people don’t stand up, we will loose our country.

Not one bit of Mr. Obama being elected is right, and not one bit of this we should be proud of.

I do not believe for one minute that Mr. Obama won the elections - I believe it was all rigged, look at the numbers, they don’t line up.

Wake up America - stand for what is right

What is right is not an arab/muslim as our President-elect - which Obama as our next President-elect fits all those catagories.

Wake up America, stand for what is right!!

Nov 6, 2008 - 6:28 am 255. tanstaafl:

Let’s Take Some Pride in Obama’s Election — No Matter Who We Voted For

Sorry, Michael. Can’t get there from here.

I don’t choose a President on the content of melanin in his skin but on the content of his character.

Besides which, some of our (not so) esteemed intellecktual Hahvard sorts are already denying that Obama’s election represents advance on the racial front in America, since Barry doesn’t have “slave roots” and is, in fact, only “half black”. (kinda sorta Jesse Jackson’s thing)

If you, personally, can put things away because you’re an American, fine. But Barack (and Michelle) Obama have not shown to me yet, beyond obfuscatory rhetoric, that they are an extension of American principles and ideals as I understand them.

Nov 6, 2008 - 7:12 am 256. Bugs:

It’s easy to call for peace and unity when your guy wins, isn’t it? If McCain had taken the election, you’d all be foaming at the mouth and screaming for blood and asking “How can sixty million people be so wrong?” In typical Democrat fashion.

I didn’t vote for him, but I’ll probably give Obama more of a chance than you Democrats ever gave President Bush.

Nov 6, 2008 - 7:13 am 257. tanstaafl:

Sorry, Michael.

Sorry, that’s Michele, not Michael.

Nov 6, 2008 - 7:16 am 258. susan:

james westlake, since my arguments are only rants, it would be easy for you to dismiss them as false.

where is your evidence that foreign countries are in the tank for USA only when it suites them or when they are terribly in need?

simply

bring evidence, I brought mine

thanks chuck, exactly, I am agnostic, but the idiotic leftist think that automatically someone conservative is a bible thumper. Which anyway are still more decent people than they are.

Nov 6, 2008 - 7:27 am 259. kim:

Nope. Never. No can do! There is no way in hell I can take any pride in this election.

A man who seems to despise America, embraces socialism, racists and domestic terrorists has just been elected.

This man must be ashamed of being half white, as he calls himself only an African American. This also means he is ashamed of half of his heritage, his mother and his mother’s half of the family, including the grandmother his supposidly respected so much (although I can’t remember him saying he ever loved her).

This man has an aunt living in the USA illegally. His “mentor” is a racist. He counts as an aquaintance a domestic terroist, none of which he says knew about or realized. How stupid can this supposidly smart man be?

I agree with those who say the believe the election was rigged. Things don’t add up for me either. Especially now knowing what ACORN did, for example.

I’m not going to be a hypocrate and say I respect this man, just becuase he is President. I don’t. I can’t. I don’t trust him and I haven’t trusted him since the start.

Many things about this election made no sense and continue to make no sense. I was one of those undecided. Then I started thinking long and hard, and putting the pieces together. I did vore for McCain, but not so much as a for for him as a vote against Obama. Yes, I could also have voted 3rd party, but in reality that would only have been a vote for Obama. I wanted my vote to at least have a hope of getting someone else in.

I think at some point, many Obama supporters are going to awaken from their trance and wonder what in the hell they did. It will be a hard lesson.

And please Obamas, don’t get a dog. Your girls might want one, but neither you nor your wife have the personality to own a pet. I see no room patience or forgiveness when the animal does something wrong. Save your girls the heartache of having to go through giving their dog away because mommy and daddy have had it. If they need a pet, buy them an aquarium.

Nov 6, 2008 - 7:37 am 260. James Westlake:

Snorri Godhi:

“I myself am happy not to live in a country with a backward-looking, untested, and inexperienced leader, whose past has not been much investigated.”

That is quite hilarious there is probably not another living human being on this planet who’s past has been more investigated that Barack Obama’s!

peace

James Westlake

Nov 6, 2008 - 7:46 am 261. James Westlake:

Susan,

“where is your evidence that foreign countries are in the tank for USA only when it suites them or when they are terribly in need?”

I’m not sure what that sentence means. Could you try and write in clear English?

Westlake

Nov 6, 2008 - 7:51 am 262. James Westlake:

Deborah,

“you cannot vote for him and his positions and be a disciple of Jesus Christ (… ) The muslims will never make peace - not unless they are converted to Christianity, or unless they leave this earth..”

Can you not see that there are Muslim Fundamentalists saying exactly what you are saying but replacing the words’Christian’ with Muslim and “Jesus Christ” with ‘Muhammad’. You must be able to understand that you have more in common with Muslim Fundamentalist than you do with the majority of Americans, be they Christians, Jews, Muslims, Atheist or Agnostics, who welcome peace, respect and tolerance. It is fundamentalists, such as yourself, of which ever religious stripe you choose to cloak your hatred in that are the real problem - along with the those who exploit you.

peace

James Westlake

Nov 6, 2008 - 8:06 am 263. jane:

IMO the people whining because some conservatives aren’t lining up to find some sort of personal redemption in the election of an African American either are closet bigots themselves who based their vote on race or just extremely naive. If electing a black man lets YOU take off your hair shirt - good for you.

It is one thing for blatant Obama supporters to come here and gloat - their guy won, they’re pleased - I would be pleased if my candidate won. However for people to come here THE DAY AFTER a long campaign and expect everyone to be joining hands and reflecting in the “historic” moment strikes me as juvenile.

At this point the reaction to Obama’s election is more histrionic than historic.

Nov 6, 2008 - 8:18 am 264. James Westlake:

Kim,

“A man (Obama) who seems to despise America, embraces socialism, racists and domestic terrorists has just been elected.”

He Has!

That is you beleieve the kind of rightwing nutters who spread such rumours on the internet.

I have a question for you - do you think Colin Powell, Charles Fried and William Weld, to name but three, would help a racist, socialist, terrorist who despises America to become its President? Maybe you are more intelligent and informed than they are but it would appear somewhat unlikely.

Think about!

peace

Westlake

Nov 6, 2008 - 8:19 am 265. MikeD:

James Westlake you are a fool.

Nov 6, 2008 - 8:22 am 266. susan:

james i wrote the correction of the sentence but the moderator didn’t publish it. However, I know decently a second language beside my native one, and I don’t think you know another language other than your own at the level I know english, therefore, try to avoid being the smartass. Even your president obummer doesn’t know any other language other than english.

the sentence was clearly

where is your evidence that foreign countries are in the tank for USA because of loyality INSTEAD of only when it suites them or when they are terribly in need?

I can find dozens of articles of french antiamericanism, problem is, I am not wasting my time for a retard like yourself. You are unworthy. If you were some intelligent commentator I might bother, but your replies are so stupid.

LOOK FWANCE IS WEEPING IN JOY.

Don’t you see it’s just a pose?

Worldwide politics are all about convenience.

Nov 6, 2008 - 8:22 am 267. Jonesy55:

- “jonesy 55, don’t speak about things you have no clue about.

France hystoric anti americanism is real and well documented. the fact that some slutty french monkey gave you a blow job once doesn’t really count.”

Really Susan, you are making yourself look silly, were you brought up with no manners?

- “Feel free to read all those links before getting back to me with your stupidity and poor knowledge of the subject

http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/723682.html
http://www.cs.princeton.edu/~chazelle/politics/antiam.html
http://goinside.com/03/5/anti.html
http://www.understandfrance.org/France/Intercultural2.html”

Very nice, that doesn’t prove anything to me however, they are opinions and that’s all, doesn’t make them right. I have never claimed that no French person has ever been anti-american, i’m just pointing out that your reductionist demonisation of a whole people is ridiculous and shows you to be a narrow minded fool.

- “and google france anti-americanism for a good 300,000 result.”

So number of google hits is the measure of truth now is it? Google ‘Jews destroyed the world trade centre’ and you get 489,000 hits, doesn’t make it true though.

- “So this is the people who you want the appreciation of. I repeat again, we neighbours of europe know better not to trust dirty and arrogant backstabbers like the french.”

So you’re a xenophobe, that’s clear, but that’s your problem I guess. The rest of us will just get on with our lives while you simmer away in your pit of hate.

Nov 6, 2008 - 8:26 am 268. MikeD:

Sorry Michele but other than being half black and a smoother talker than George Bush BO, didn’t show me
jack. The answer is a resounding NO!

Nov 6, 2008 - 8:26 am 269. John Kaduk:

What a load of bs…Hope doesn’t get you anything, action does and Obama’s actions in the past have had nothing but a negative effect on this country. Hope is a bunch of b.s. that people throw out there who don’t want to deal in reality.

Hope in one hand, crap in the other, see which one fills up first.

Nov 6, 2008 - 8:32 am 270. Anonymous:

See Senator John McCain’s speech
:http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1598611/20081105/story.jhtml , shows how environmental upbringing and indoctrination influences choices by people from all walks of life in their day to day living. The HOLY BIBLE says that God created mankind ( Genesis 2) and it goes on to say that when Samuel the prophet was looking for a new King to replace King Saul in 1Samuel chapter 16, that ,(to paraphrase , Samuel, representing the choice factor of mankind,had the wrong perspective; Samuel wanted to choose a king acceptable to the Nation of Israel, but God had different ideas. God’s ways are past finding out. God told Samuel:

“…The LORD does not look at the things man looks at. Man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart. ….” ( 1 Samuel 16 verse 7).(New International Version).
Congragulations to President Elect Barak Obama and Vice-President Joe Biden.

Martin Luther King, in his “..I have a dream speech ( http://www.usconstitution.net/dream.html , said :

“I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. ..” ( Martin Luther King ) .

The level of maturity of American Politics has demonstrated to the world that Race Relations in America is maturing as defined in the United States Constitution ” …… ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL…” . Errol Smythe.

Nov 6, 2008 - 8:37 am 271. James Westlake:

MikeD:

“James Westlake you are a fool.”

very constructive!

peace

Westlake

Nov 6, 2008 - 8:44 am 272. James Westlake:

Susan,

“where is your evidence that foreign countries are in the tank for USA because of loyality INSTEAD of only when it suites them or when they are terribly in need?”

I’ve never said anything about this subject either way. You seem to be confusing me with someone else.

btw

“a retard like yourself. You are unworthy.”

Very constructive too!

Westlake

Nov 6, 2008 - 8:52 am 273. Sijoi:

I supported Mr. McCain, he lost.

Time to move on. I agree with Michelle, Mr. Obama won, he is the President, as such we should support him. As Mr. McCain said country comes first. Try not to unhinge yourselves like the left did with Mr. Bush, try and stay classy.

Nov 6, 2008 - 9:02 am 274. tanstaafl:

Colin Powell, Charles Fried and William Weld…

Westlake, are you one of those limpid folks who supports someone based on what other people do ?

Colin Powell’s 11th hour endorsement of Barack Obama should be seen as an embarrassment. Powell, never of very interesting or accomplished mental credentials, must be one of those Washington insiders that doesn’t wan’t to be left out of the DC social circuit under the new President.

There are far more interesting individuals of coloUr, such as Thomas Sowell, historian Shelby Steele and Supreme Court justice Clarence Thomas (the first name that sprang to Obama’s mind when Rick Warren asked him which SC Justice he would not have supported) who undoubtedly see much better through Obama’s thin skin than you or the individuals you name.

Nov 6, 2008 - 9:13 am 275. tanstaafl:

LOOK FWANCE IS WEEPING IN JOY.

Don’t you see it’s just a pose?

Fwance wept for America for about 3 days after 911.

Remember…

Nous sommes tous Américains !

Then Fwench people (or person) wrote a book “proving” that no airplane hit the Pentagon, which thesis many Fwench fell for. Soon, true to form, many Fwench reverted to habitual America bashing.

Such a grand sport, feeling superior !

To be fair, some French (not Fwench) citizens still recognize the enormous American contribution to their liberation from the Nazis, but those people rapidly dying off.

Nov 6, 2008 - 9:29 am 276. susan:

jonessy what a pathetic reply

“Very nice, that doesn’t prove anything to me however, they are opinions and that’s all, doesn’t make them right.”

They bring facts and evidence to support their opinions, something you cannot do with your blind adoration.

Oh and even your stay in brussel is merely an opinion, again disproven by facts.

“your reductionist demonisation of a whole people is ridiculous and shows you to be a narrow minded fool”

demonization? I already told you in clear letters and plain english that I couldn’t give 2 crap about what fwance thinks about me, or USA.

i was merely making a point that in certain circumstances goverments and politicians and media would say anything just out of convenience.

You are in your little cocoon in USA, europe is like a big condo, we are 25 countries or more, we know each other’s stuff. We read everyday about what country x thinks of country y.

Only stupid childish brats like yourself cannot understand international politics.

“So you’re a xenophobe, that’s clear, but that’s your problem I guess. ”

Obama state n. 1 rule: when you are running out of every possible intelligent subject matter play the RAAAAACIST card. It always works.

tanstaafl is telling the truth, you are someone so much into self-loathing and with such low self esteem that you base your all existence on what other think of you and how many celebrities are endorsing obamaa.

That says a lot about your non-existent capability to think with your own brain and form an opinion based on facts rather than putting together sentences without meaning.

It really sucks to be you. Enjoy your obamba presidence where you will be told how to think, what to think and when to think.

Nov 6, 2008 - 9:43 am 277. James Westlake:

tanstaafl,

“Westlake, are you one of those limpid folks who supports someone based on what other people do ?”

Nope.

I was simply pointing out to our friend Kim that these individuals would be unlikely to endorse a candidate who really did:

“despise America, embraces socialism, racists and domestic terrorists”

Westlake

Nov 6, 2008 - 9:46 am 278. Snorri Godhi:

James W: I am happy I don’t live in the USA, OK?

(And I am also happy that, if I am wrong, I can still move there.)

Nov 6, 2008 - 9:53 am 279. James Westlake:

tanstaafl,

“Then Fwench people (or person) wrote a book “proving” that no airplane hit the Pentagon, which thesis many Fwench fell for. Soon, true to form, many Fwench reverted to habitual America bashing.”

So did many Americans…

I feel that as it has become (rightly) unacceptable to attack people for the colour of their skin many bigots have replaced race with religion or nationality as a conduit for there hate fuelled vitriol.

would you agree?

westlake

Nov 6, 2008 - 9:53 am 280. James Westlake:

Snordi Gordi,

“James W: I am happy I don’t live in the USA, OK?

(And I am also happy that, if I am wrong, I can still move there.)”

erm… why are you telling me this? What is your point?

Westalke

Nov 6, 2008 - 10:04 am 281. jonesy55:

Susan you idiot I’M BRITISH!!!!!!

Your rants say more about you and the state of your mind than about the subject matter.

Nov 6, 2008 - 10:08 am 282. tanstaafl:

Westlake,

Superficially, America bashers (like the Reverend Goddamn America) have much in common with European and, even, radical Islamic America bashers.

But there are deep distinctions.

For many Europeans, bashing America seems almost a matter of style with an air of superiority. In their rush to seem worldly, sophisticated, and, generally, smarter than Americans, they can seem naively unconcerned with Tehran’s potential for an armed nuclear missile to reach into Europe’s territory or blind to the fact that radical Islamic incurions into Africa, Pakistan, Indonesia etc. (and Europe) is a huge problem for them, as well. …Europe let Milosevic slaughter human beings in its own backyard until (even) Bill Clinton called enough. And they continued up to his very demise to do highly profitable business with Saddam Hussein, just as now, reportedly, socialist Spain is selling arms throughout the world to whomever will buy.

Ever wonder who (besides Iran, North Korea, Russia…) supplies “terrorists” with a near unending supply of armaments ?

As for the hatred of Amerikaa expressed by Reverend Jeremiah Wright, he grew wealthy expanding the Trinity Church over decades and came to be friendly with the hatred of “white” America central to the Black Liberation Theology of James Cone. He also became friendly towards the despicable Black Muslim hatred of Amerikka evidenced by another Chicago resident, Louis Farrakhan. A highly divisive man, Barack Obama’s mentor.

Radical Islam hates America and western civilization in general for reasons that should be well known by now.

As for hatred for color of skin replacing hatred for religion or nationality or gender or whatever, all I can tell you is that it’s all profoundly stupid. Bigots are everywhere and the characteristic they all have in common is some form of stupidity, fearfulness and smallness of character.

I can also tell you that Left leaning American teachers and professors (describes most on our college campuses) have been propagating notions of “division and separation” among people (racism, sexism, classism, you name the “ism”…) that are more extreme than anything I’ve ever witnessed in my long witnessing of American history.

Divisiveness, whether Leftist political divisiveness, Reverend Jeremiah Wright’s/Louis Farrakhan’s brand of divisiveness or Radical Islamist divisiveness is absolutely central to the success of radical or “revolutionary” agendas throughout human history.

Barack Obama’s political campaign for President, from start to finish, was, sometimes subtly, sometimes not so subtly, based on divisiveness, racial and otherwise. (for the record, his wife’s observations alone relative to the nature of Americans should have been sufficient to disqualify him for the job of President of the United States)

We’ll see whether actually achieving the prize balances him out.

Nov 6, 2008 - 10:27 am 283. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Susan and James Westlake
RE: Comportments

thanks chuck, exactly, I am agnostic, but the idiotic leftist think that automatically someone conservative is a bible thumper. Which anyway are still more decent people than they are. — Susan

As I was saying, James, you cannot expect a non-Christian to behave like a Christian.

On the other hand, I would expect a REAL christian to deal with reality and if they see their ‘brother’ behaving in a way they think is not proper, they’d address them.

Now admittedly, I realize that you, as a voter as a Christian for Obama, would have a hard time addressing many of your fellow [Note: I did not say 'brother'] Obama supporters in terms of Christianity. Indeed, I suspect you’ve already encountered the sort of response I get from atheists, even of the ‘conservative’ persuasion,….I get ‘killed’. [Note: Just ask realitychiq what she'd do to me, given the power and opportunity. She'd do just what Amy Alkon and Charles Johnson did.....]

So I don’t expect you to be particular effective using with them what you attempted with Susan.

Therefore, if you want to talk about Christ and WWJD, at least do it to an audience that might listen to you. Otherwise, if your fellow Obama supporters find out you’re a {HORROR!} Christian, you might find that you’re not invited to the right….er….left parties anymore.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[God is in control. And all too many people don't quite grasp that.]

Nov 6, 2008 - 10:48 am 284. Chelsea:

No thank you. I refuse to take pride in the man who is wrong for the job and frankly your blatant racism. Apparently you’ve been listening to Elisabeth Hasselbeck who also doesn’t have a clue.

Nov 6, 2008 - 10:49 am 285. Chuck Pelto:

TO: James Westlake
RE: Rumors?

That is you beleieve the kind of rightwing nutters who spread such rumours on the internet. — James Westlake

Are you saying that Obama has NO RELATIONSHIP with:

[1] The good reverend Wright?
[2] The self-admitted bomber of the Pentagon Ayers?

That’s VERY odd.

Please explain how those are ‘rumors’.

Then again there’s that business about no birth certificate.

Heck. If you go to the Obama campaign’s web-site and look at the proffered image of what they call his birth certificate you see something that is lacking a LOT of things that I see on MY birth certificate.

For instance:

• No name of attending physician
• No name of hospital
• No number of children born at the time, e.g., 1st of 3
• No official seal
• No signatures
• The use of the term “African” to describe the race of Obama’s father, instead of “Negro” or “Black”.
• The birth certificate looks rather ‘new’, i.e., no aging whatsoever…..
• The print on the image appears to be from a computer. I didn’t know they had computers like that in 1961
• In the lower left-hand corner, there appears to be the word “LASER”. Did they have lasers in 1961 doing printing?
• If this is a reprint, where is the signature of the official who endorses it as authentic?

HERE you can see the certificate offered by the Obama campaign for yourself.

I’ve got my original birth certificate in a safe place. It has all that is on the one alleged to represent Obama and all the information I noticed missing from his.

You show ME where the missing items are or explain to US the strange inconsistencies.

Rumors? My fourth-point-of-contact…..

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out.....]

P.S. TO: All….

Anyone here have friends or relations in Hawaii? Or better still, were born there in 1960-1962? Care to share THEIR birth certificates with US?

Might put away this particular ‘rumor’. Or it might do a LOT more…..

Nov 6, 2008 - 10:57 am 286. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: Obama’s Proffered Birth Certificate

Blahst!!!

HERE is the correctly linked page.

Sorry about that….

Nov 6, 2008 - 11:07 am 287. Ready to move on:

Obama supporter and Christian are not mutually exclusive terms. There are a vast number of Christians who voted for the man, hence the number of churches that hosted election parties in support of Obama. The right does not have a unique claim to the title Christian and more that the right has an exclusive claim to agnostic.

Liberal is not a bad word. Think about why someone might call himself liberal. I am social liberal and a piscal conservative for example. I feel that the bail out was a bad idea and I agreed with house republican who opposed the plan. The were right. On the other hand, I believe every American should have access to health care and a decent edcuation. If it takes more regualation to do so, so be it. In the end, I will choose people over my walet because I feel it is my responsiblity. Am I an EVIL BLACK NAZI SOCIALIST DEVIL for taking this position. I think I know what some of you will say but I pose the question anyway.

Hail Obama

Nov 6, 2008 - 11:08 am 288. James Westlake:

Chuck Pelto,

Are you saying that Obama has NO RELATIONSHIP with:

[1] The good reverend Wright?
[2] The self-admitted bomber of the Pentagon Ayers?

Nope, I am not, nor did I.

I suggest you go back and read what I actually said before your next rant. btw why are you so obsessed with Obama’s birth certificate?

Westlake

Nov 6, 2008 - 11:17 am 289. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Ready to move on
RE: What’s in a Name?

Liberal is not a bad word. Think about why someone might call himself liberal. — Ready to move on

As the Bard said, “What’s in a name? Merde by any other name would still smell….” Or something like that.

Then again we have the word ‘gay’. It used to mean happy. Now it means something quite different. Indeed. I’d call it a one-word oxymoron.

So what about the word ‘liberal’. Yes the dictionary says something very nice. However, many people I know who identify themselves such a term are not quite what the dictionary describes. In fact, most of the blogs operated by so-called ‘liberals’ I’ve been on have ‘killed’ me. Just for writing comments like I’ve written here.

Tell me….

….is THAT ‘liberal’?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Liberals aren't. Progressives won't.]

P.S. Looking forward to your reply to my reply to you from yesterday….

Nov 6, 2008 - 11:23 am 290. Chuck Pelto:

TO: James Westlake
RE: Well Then…

Nope, I am not, nor did I. — James Westlake about ‘rumors’

Then I ask you, what ‘rumors’ are you referring to when you said….

….the kind of rightwing nutters who spread such rumours on the internet. — James Westlake in item #266 @ Nov 6, 2008 - 8:19 am

Please be specific. As I do believe you cited something about racisim (see Wright), socialism and terrorism (see Ayers) in that item. The implication being that such allegations were ‘rumors’ in your sight.

I have evidence that they are not rumors. But fact.

Or were you referring to other ‘rumors’ that were not in that item you posted?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Always ask the 'next question', Army Intelligence staff puke axiom]

Nov 6, 2008 - 11:29 am 291. James Westlake:

Chuck Pelto,

“Obama supporters find out you’re a {HORROR!} Christian, you might find that you’re not invited to the right….er….left parties anymore.”

What planet are you living on mate? Millions of Christians all over the country just voted for him to be their President!!! And obama himself is a Christian how do you think he knew Reverend Wright?

Westalke

PS.
btw and FYI, I am neither an Obama voter (though I would have if I could have) nor a Christian (though I think we can I learn a great deal from his teachings)

Nov 6, 2008 - 11:30 am 292. Chuck Pelto:

TO: James Westlake
RE: Obsession is Perfume

I suggest you go back and read what I actually said before your next rant. btw why are you so obsessed with Obama’s birth certificate? — James Westlake

I’m hardly obsessed with his birth certificate. I’m obsessed with the truth. Is there something wrong with that?

And you’re not answering my questions about the proffered document.

Have YOU got a birth certificate? Does it have on it the items I’m noticing as missing on the one people claim belongs to Obama? If so, why is his missing that information?

Ask The One. See if he can provide an answer that will put this rumor down.

I look forward to your reply….one way or another….

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[He who hates the Truth, hates mankind.]

Nov 6, 2008 - 11:32 am 293. susan:

jonesy 55, you’re british, have you looked at your own self created $hit in the uk before talking?

have you seen where the multi-culti nu labor yuman rites dogmas have taken you?

What is the rating of broom brown nowadays?

How many months before your pathetic little island is renamed islamic united kingdom?

And british people are the most racist and anti-semite you could possibly meet. Yet they have the spine to talk about the perceived racism of others.

Nov 6, 2008 - 11:44 am 294. Chuck Pelto:

TO: James Westlake
RE: Yeah….

Millions of Christians all over the country just voted for him to be their President!!! — James Westlake

….and millions of ‘christians’ support murdering babies in the womb and other abominations.

Are they REALLY ‘christians’?

RE: The Truth Comes Out

btw and FYI, I am neither an Obama voter (though I would have if I could have) nor a Christian (though I think we can I learn a great deal from his teachings) — James Westlake

I had a gut feeling about that last part. Glad to see you had the honesty to throw off your sheeps clothing.

However, I’ll point out that what little you have learned is nothing compared to appreciating the WHOLE of that Old Book.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Put on the whole armor of God against the day of trouble.]

Nov 6, 2008 - 11:45 am 295. James Westlake:

Chuck Pelto,

“Then I ask you, what ‘rumors’ are you referring to…”

those that imply that President Elect Obama…

“… despise(s) America, embraces socialism, racists and domestic terrorists …”

(Quoting our friend Kim)

The internet is full of them, I’m sure you have come across many yourself if not go google.

peace

Westalke

Nov 6, 2008 - 11:57 am 296. James Westlake:

Chuck,

Personally I could not care less if he was born on planet mars

peace

W

Nov 6, 2008 - 12:00 pm 297. MikeD:

I wasn’t trying to be constructive Westlake, I was simply re-stating the obvious.

Nov 6, 2008 - 12:01 pm 298. Ann:

I am not sure about this but:

To Wearyman: under the 854 Billions? Gobal Povery Act (Tax) is any one safe from their businessess or finances even if they go offshore? Even under this bill to the UN will we still have to pay taxes?

It still hasn’t passed in the Senate yet. I signed a petition protesting to the Senaotors that haven’t signed yet.

I will never accept Obama as the president and will oppose him. I just pray that he won’t start using our troops to fight his war for a Islamic Marxist (Odinga) regime in Kenya.

I do not believe Obama is a Christian. After campaigning for Odinga in Kenya (1.5 million), when Odinga lost he slaughtered thousands of villagers and Christians, and burned down over 800 churches. Not one word of protest from Hussein Obama.

As soon as his trip to Pakistan in 1981 was over he changed his name from Barry S. to BHO. There were only a few reasons why anyone would travel to Pakistan in 1981 (which was on the no travel list for Americans):

1. To attend a madrassa
2. To engage in jihad training
3. To buy drugs.

He could not of entered Pakistan on an American Passport without a sponser.

J. Wright is a Muslim.

Nov 6, 2008 - 12:02 pm 299. James Westlake:

Chuck,

“However, I’ll point out that what little you have learned is nothing compared to appreciating the WHOLE of that Old Book.”

I don’t appreciate The WHOLE book nor believe it to be the word of God hence my non-Christianity but as I said their is a lot to be learned from the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Peace

W

Nov 6, 2008 - 12:05 pm 300. Chuck Pelto:

TO: James Westlake
RE: It Figures

Personally I could not care less if he was born on planet mars — James Westlake

I’d expect that from a non-christian, the truth means nothing to them.

But we do have a law in THIS country that says if he WAS born in Kenya, as his living grandmother attests, he cannot be the President of the United States.

The missing information on his alleged birth certificate, along with the other items I mentioned are evidence that some chicanery is afoot.

Hope that helps.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. Understanding that you are NOT an American citizen…..would you mind if a martian was the chief executive of YOUR country?

Maybe we can get Tim Burton to dream one up for you…..

Nov 6, 2008 - 12:09 pm 301. Al:

Re 165:

“Yah, pride that a president was elected with hundreds of millions of illegal foreign dollars.”

Really, funny how none of that shows up anywhere but in your imagination.

“Yah, pride that the new president believe that’s it’s perfectly normal for courts to create law out_of_thin_air, and plans to do so.”

Crap, no not this. Far better to extend executive privilege to everyone from the VP to the family dog than actually follow the rule of law.

“Yah, pride that he’ll be sworn in with his hand on the Koran like he was before.”

Bullshit. He was previously sworn in with his hand on the family Bible.

“Yah, pride that America, the land where law is king, has become a land of blatant lawlessness; those of the elite are clearly above all law. (See the above).”

I don’t imagine an example would be too much to ask.

Dude, these talking points are dead. They are all proven lies and now they don’t even matter.

Nov 6, 2008 - 12:13 pm 302. James Westlake:

Susan,

“only stupid childish brats like yourself

“a retard like yourself. You are unworthy.”

“better not to trust dirty and arrogant backstabbers like the french.”

“If the 2 brain cells josh has still doesn’t get this”

You can let go of the hate, We Love you.

peace

Westalke

Nov 6, 2008 - 12:14 pm 303. Chuck Pelto:

TO: James Westlake
RE: You Had Me Fooled

The internet is full of them, I’m sure you have come across many yourself if not go google. — James Westlake

I thought you were semi-intelligent and honest. Especially when you admitted to not being a christian after playing christian cards. But you aren’t….honest that is.

Now you’re just being evasive. You know for a fact that what kim said was correct about Obama. You’re intelligent enough to have seen the same information I have. Truth means nothing to you. And now you play word games of prevarication.

So be it…..

Adieu,

Chuck(le)
[You cannot escape the responsibility of tomorrow by evading it today. -- Abraham Lincoln]

Nov 6, 2008 - 12:14 pm 304. Martge:

You have to look at this election this way also. A whole black man did not win the election. He is half white. And what could be more fitting than to have as our first president to have African American blood to be also half white.

Nov 6, 2008 - 12:37 pm 305. Cousin Dave:

Michele, I must say that I was very disappointed in your resorting to name-calling and refusing to engage the debate in your #178 respnose. You have lowered yourself in my eyes. If this is your attitude towards blogging, then you may as well shut off comments for all of your posts in the future.

Nov 6, 2008 - 12:50 pm 306. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Ready to move on
RE: Not to be Misunderstood…

….but I’ve been doing code since 2 am and finished an intense committee meeting of which I’m a ‘commissar’ and my brain is too fried to do any more code today. I still have to ponder, i.e., sleep on, a problem in coding I encountered at 7 am.

So I’m ‘cruising’ the blogosphere and focusing on things other than code or how to allow people to move about the county better in the face of foreseeable higher mobility fuel prices come three years from now. While allowing the sub-conscious of this limestone core I call a brain slowly digests the problem discovered at 7 am.

Please bear with me. And no offense, but you have an interesting mind. Allow me to play with it….

RE: Health Care

I believe every American should have access to health care and a decent edcuation. — Ready to move on

I believe as much as well. And here, in America, everyone DOES have such access. It’s written into our laws. Or at least it is in the state where I live. No hospital can turn away someone who shows up in their emergency room.

Why do you think a ‘quart’ of water with a pinch of ‘salt’ in it costs regular paying customers of the same hospital over $200?

Someone has to pay the price of keeping the medical care system going. And those of US with money or insurance are the ‘stuckies’.

Do you remember the brouhaha about how, back in the 1980s, the US Air Force was paying $600 for a hammer? At least the US Air Force got to use the hammer more than once.

RE: Careful….

If it takes more regualation to do so, so be it. — Ready to move on

The regulation will be managed by the government. That means some bureaucrat gets to decide if you or your ailing mother lives or dies.

You should read more science fiction. I recommend Haldeman’s Forever War. You’ll get a great insight into government operated health care through his prescient insight. And I’m seeing the pieces of the horrific system he describes moving into place.

RE: People Over Pelf

In the end, I will choose people over my walet because I feel it is my responsiblity. — Ready to move on

Good on you!

And that’s the way it is these days. Please see my earlier statement in this comment to better appreciate that.

So. If we are already supporting the needy vis-a-vis we who have money or insurance paying inflated prices for goods and services from the medical industry….and the fact that hospital across the street from me is hardly ‘suffering’ for want of money….and people cannot be turned away from an emergency room….

…what’s the problem?

I have a good idea. And the medical industry is going to hate me for it, but I think they want MORE money. And they want to get it by using the government as their ‘tap’. Sort of like a perpetual ‘bail out’ program.

Why do I say this?

Well….it’s a long story, but here goes…..

My mother-in-law has Stage IV squamous carcinoma of the neck and mouth. Her neck and chin resemble a severe attack with a hammer; discoloration, swelling and pain.

The doctors of the AMA have given up hope on curing her.

When we heard about the disease [Note: My undergrad work was pre-med microbiology.] and how far it had spread, i.e., into the lymphatic system, we knew it was the proverbial ‘kiss of death’. So we began looking for an out-of-the-box solution.

We think we found it in a broad-leaf evergreen plant of the Amazon basin, Graviola. So we did more research and study. And I began taking it myself for an unrelated reason; type II diabetes, a birthday gift from my Father.

I discovered that it DID cure my diabetes. And, it also seemed to be doing a ‘number’ on what could be sites of squamous carcinoma on my skin.

So we got mom to start drinking the tea made from Graviola. She’s been hanging in there like a champ ever since. Swellings come and go. Which we interpret as the active agent in the graviola as killing cancer cells, the body sends in it’s defense mechanisms to clean out the dead parts and then things settle down until the graviola kills another layer of cancer cells.

A retired minister in my weekly Bible study group worked for years at a major metropolitan hospital. He recently transfered over to hospice spiritual care duties for said hospital. He’s amazed at how long mom has been ‘hanging in there’. He calls it a blessing from God. And, if you think that God created the Earth and everything therein for Man…..indeed, it is.

Oddly enough, there are credible reports that the FDA and the AMA have known about graviola as a cure for cancer for decades. Certainly since 1997 when researchers at Purdue University proved it killed cancer cells in vitro while leaving healthy cells in the same tissue alone.

The problem, from the drug company perspective, is that you cannot patent a naturally occurring substance. And from the cancer treatment business of the AMA, what oncologist or radiologist would willingly give up the lucrative practice to open up a tea shop?

See what I’m getting at here?

There are LOTS of problems in the medical industry. And there’s blame enough to go around for everyone. But the arguments I have yet to hear, in all the discussion over the last decade, is that there is such a problem in the AMA or the hospitals or the drug companies or the FDA.

I’ve pondered this situation for the last six months and I cannot find any explanation that covers this cover-up of a cure for cancer, better than, it would cost a lot of people their jobs.

Isn’t it a shame that they don’t have the same moral code that you claim?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. We’re not out of the proverbial woods with mom yet. And anything could happen, but considering that the AMA has thrown in the towel and told her to seek hospice care to make her few remaining days more comfortable….

….somehow the 27 years I spent in the infantry have instilled in me a “Never give up. Never surrender” sort of mentality.

Nov 6, 2008 - 12:51 pm 307. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Al
RE: Sorry….

Really, funny how none of that shows up anywhere but in your imagination. — Al

But it shows up in a LOT of other places besides there.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. You should expand your sources of information…..

Nov 6, 2008 - 12:53 pm 308. James Westlake:

Chuck,

“Now you’re just being evasive.”

I’m not going to post links that further propagate lies and slander if that is what are asking me to do, and if you really do really believe that Obama “… despise(s) America, embraces socialism, racists and domestic terrorists …” you yourself have spent far to long online reading such lunacy.

” Understanding that you are NOT an American citizen…..would you mind if a martian was the chief executive of YOUR country?”

Not if he had our best interests at heart but I feel that that is, at least presently, a rather a hypothetical question.

btw I’m certainly honest and would also like to think that I am also, at least, ’semi’ - intelligent.

peace

Westlake

Nov 6, 2008 - 1:07 pm 309. Emma:

Yes, it was historic. Also historic: an ordinary citizen’s privacy was invaded simply because he asked a question, and our president-elect has never once stated that this was wrong. Nor have the people who supposedly care about privacy. One offsets the other, for me.

Nov 6, 2008 - 1:21 pm 310. Chelsea:

Why does Pajamasmedia.com allow you to blog? In comment 178, “I’m just someone who thinks Obama is going to be good for this country.Continue on with your nuttiness.” If you think he’s going to be good for this country I’d argue you’re the one dealing in nuttery. By the way, being in the middle is a cop out. It usually means that you don’t have the guts or the education (and I’m talking about commonsense intelligence, not mindless book learning) to make a decision.

Nov 6, 2008 - 1:25 pm 311. not MY president:

I take no pride in it. Obama is not my President. He stole his way to the Senate, and he stole his way to the Presidency.

Nov 6, 2008 - 1:26 pm 312. Chelsea:

I should also mention, of course I support this country and am a proud American but that doesn’t mean I have to “congratulate” or even support the president. He’s not my president. I hope he does the right things for this country, but I still don’t support anything he stands for and I’m embarrassed to say over half this country is ignorant enough to elect him.

Nov 6, 2008 - 1:28 pm 313. Al:

Chuck, you may well be right that I should expand my sources of information. Any suggestions?

Specific like stuff, please.

Nov 6, 2008 - 1:34 pm 314. tpitman:

While everyone pretends that we elected the first black president based on his qualifications alone, let’s face it: his numbers from the black community were almost unanimous, and I suspect that many left-leaning whites voted for him based on race. I can give the blacks a pass this time, since it was a historic moment, and for them a long time coming, but racism certainly played a part in this election on many fronts. So Obama won’t be the first black president judged “by the content of his character”, but the next one certainly will. The novelty will be over.

Nov 6, 2008 - 1:35 pm 315. James Westlake:

Chelsea,

“He’s not my president”

I think you will find that he is. Maybe he will be a very good President and in 5 years time you might even vote for him!

peace

Westlake

Nov 6, 2008 - 1:58 pm 316. James Westlake:

Chelsea,

Why does Pajamasmedia.com allow you to blog? In comment 178, “I’m just someone who thinks Obama is going to be good for this country.Continue on with your nuttiness.”

You think that I should not be allowed to say that I think Obama is going to be good for the country???

What do you think that says about you Chelsea?

peace

Westlake

Nov 6, 2008 - 2:02 pm 317. Al:

Re 317:

It doesn’t surprise me that the black community came out for Obama. Kinda like the white southern vote came out for McCain, or the Catholic vote for JFK.

It’s mighty white of you to “give the blacks a pass this time” but then again, the thought that they could vote for a candidate based upon his merits rather than his complexion probably never occurred to you.

Myself, I’d like to think that we judge all candidates, especially for our highest office, by the content of their character.

Nov 6, 2008 - 2:14 pm 318. Chuck Pelto:

TO: James Westlake
RE: Yeah….

I’m not going to post links that further propagate lies and slander if that is what are asking me to do… — James Westlake

…nor are you going to read links that prove such.

As I said before….

Vaya con Dios,

Chuck(le)

Nov 6, 2008 - 2:19 pm 319. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: Serious Projection

…you seem to have some obsession with me. — realitychiq

You’re the one who keeps cyber-stalking me in an obsessive manner. At least that’s my perception from the discussions we’ve had where you’re the one who starts getting ‘down and dirty’ vis-a-vis ad homs.

I could be wrong about that. But I doubt it. As I’ve seen your behavior on a number of occasions before. Even had one of them admit to it, that THEY were the ones who were getting ‘forward’ in discussions of ‘politics’. As THEY recognized they were the ones who were getting ‘bothered’. [Note: Suspect it was she who organized the pantsing attack when I returned from the Renaissance Festival attired as a down-on-his-heels foppish mercenary. And she kept bringing it up for years afterwards, until I pointed it out to her at a gathering with fellow Ms at the Buckhorn.]

You do much to remind me of her. And you’ve just done it again.

If you were as smart as I think you are, you’d have dropped it by now.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The opposite of love is not hate. It's indifference.]

Nov 6, 2008 - 2:25 pm 320. Jim:

I say again what I said back at #152: I do not hold with all this “He’s not my president” talk; it is churlish and unworthy, and I instantly lose respect for anyone who says it. Ever.

That said, Democrats have only themselves to blame if they hear it now. If there’s a “bitter partisan divide” in this country, it is one of they created, raised and nurtured. (And spare me the whining about the Clinton impeachment; the past eight years have outdone that by exponential orders of magnitude and you all know it.) Some of the gloating I’ve seen in these comments is likewise unseemly; nobody likes a sore winner.

The difference between a true patriot and a petty partisan is simple: Petty partisans love their country because they won an election; true patriots love their country because they HAD an election.

Nov 6, 2008 - 2:28 pm 321. susan:

james westlake

just by curiosity, do you think that some republican 4 years ago went to the dailykos to spit the same bull$hit you are spitting to us now?

Do you really think that someone here can be bought by those silly lines you write?

why you are doing it?

Republicans might have lost the elections but coming here to try to sell zerobama is being total losers…

Nov 6, 2008 - 2:33 pm 322. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Al
RE: Stuff & Such

Chuck, you may well be right that I should expand my sources of information. Any suggestions? — Al

For starters, I’d suggest…

Here, here, LINKVERBIAGE, and here.

I’ve got more, but I’d rather not overburden you so early on.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Revolutions have never lightened the burden of tyranny, they have only shifted it to another shoulder. -- George Bernard Shaw]

Nov 6, 2008 - 2:34 pm 323. concerned:

Chuck, you wrote
So what about the word ‘liberal’. Yes the dictionary says something very nice. However, many people I know who identify themselves such a term are not quite what the dictionary describes. In fact, most of the blogs operated by so-called ‘liberals’ I’ve been on have ‘killed’ me. Just for writing comments like I’ve written here.

I have read some pretty outlandish and disrespectful comments on this page as well. i have also seen how liberals trying to engage in civil dialogeue have been slammed, including one who wished the conservatives well. Am I to assume that the South African racist who wrote that Obama is doomed to fail because he is an inferior black man speaks for all conservatives. No! There are liberal jerks just as there are conservative jerks.

Thank you for your answer in 308. you made me think about my position. I am still liberal but I understand why you would oppose regulation.

First let me say I feel for your family and its bout with cancer. My grandmother passed away from breast cancer. I agree that the emergency room is not a viable medical care. If people had access to preventative care, they would not need to overwhelm emergency rooms. We need to find a way to keep people out of emergency rooms for treatment of chronic illness like asthma. When you live in a poor neighborhood and you have no viable income you are stuck. Trying going to an inner city groccery store and compare the prices. The goods cost more because there is a captive audience or the products are inferior. We need a ground up effort to educate people about healthy living. We need to find a way for poopr people to have access to healty food. we need to find a way to provide preventative care, not emergency care, which in the end costs us more money.

About the education. You should read a book called Savage Inequalities. Despite the laws on the books, the truth is that children in poor communities are not getting the same education as those in richer ones. Some of the conditions our kids have to go to school under are just plain sickening considering we live in the richest county on earth. I live in a rich county with top rated schools. The school inmy commnuity was “renovated.” This building was falling apart and our kids had to go to school in a construction zone. There were drill bits coming through the floor, asbestos clearings, and fire hazzards abound. The rich kid’s down the street got a brand new state of the art facility. Thank God the staff is dedicated and the well to parents who are in the school went to bat for the kids. While they did not get the new facility, thanks to community action and protest, things changed. Some parents had clout and could make it beter for all of the kids. What do you do when everyone in the school is at the bottom? I think some sort of intelligent regulation might be needed.

Hoping for civil response. And seriously, read Savage Inequalities. It shed a lot of light on what is wrong with our schools.

Nov 6, 2008 - 2:35 pm 324. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Jim
RE: A Point

I do not hold with all this “He’s not my president” talk; it is churlish and unworthy, and I instantly lose respect for anyone who says it. Ever. — Jim

When I wore green every day, he—whomever he was—was not “my president”. Rather he WAS my Commander-in-Chief. However, as I haven’t been in that attire for 11 years now, he—whomever he may be—is STILL “not my president”.

Rather, he is THE President of the United States of America.

There’s a subtle difference.

Don’t you think?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[All power corrupts. Absolute power is kinda neat, though. -- President Clinton Staffer on Executive Orders]

Nov 6, 2008 - 2:40 pm 325. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: Heh….

This link takes one to YOUR website where you have posted a long rant about ME. A rant that was apparently too long to pass moderation here and dates from MORE THAN TWO MONTHS AGO! — realitychiq

….see what I mean about cyber-stalking?

The indicators are all too clear. Maybe I should watch Play Misty for Me tonight.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[It's nice to have women after you....

....as long as they are not armed with weapons.]

Nov 6, 2008 - 2:43 pm 326. Al:

Thanks Chuck.

I’ve looked at your links and they aren’t exactly compelling. The first link pretty much contradicts your assertion about millions of foreign dollars and only points out the credit card processing procedures for donations under $200. It takes a whole boatload of them to equal “millions”.

The rest of your links are more of the same. You seem to have based your assumption that Obama received a small fortune in illegal foreign contributions based upon a credit card processing technicality.

Firstly, there is nothing illegal about this. Secondly, there is no indication that this is foreign money.Thirdly, compared to the total cost of the campaign, it is an insignificant amount of money that is in question.

No doubt. The way they processed small cc contributions left the Obama campaign wide open to charges of fraud. It was an error in judgment but it was also quickly acknowledged and remedied.

You’re going to have to try a little harder.

Nov 6, 2008 - 3:06 pm 327. next:

….realitycheq

don’t you go worrying your silly little self over our chuck(le). he’s doing just fine, thank you. trust me, you need to be wasting your time covering the corrupt, slimy path your president-elect left in his dust. the world is well on track to find out just how low he stooped. heeheeee

Nov 6, 2008 - 3:26 pm 328. James Westlake:

Susan,

“…same bull$hit you are spitting to us now?”

“… being total losers…

try and be less aggressive if you want to engage in conversation. If you have point to make or a question to ask try to do it a more civil way.

love

Westlake

Nov 6, 2008 - 3:36 pm 329. Al:

“your president-elect left in his dust”

Lovely. Can I take this to mean that you are giving up your citizenship?

Because, as long as you are an American, he is also your President. That is, unless you feel that you are better informed than a clear majority of the voting population.

“the world is well on track to find out just how low he stooped”

I don’t know. The world seems pretty happy with the results of our election — you know, along with the voters right here.

Nov 6, 2008 - 3:52 pm 330. David:

susan, u make me laugh.
Yeah i realize that there would have been riots especially in high african american areas, but that does not mean that those people are under the influence of obama. obama encouraged people to come together and that there should be no red states and blue states but the united states. even if you conservatives don’t like him, i am certain that he is not moving around gangs like tactical battlefield units. If you think that there is not going to be and has already not been outrage and displays of what one might call being a sore loser from conservatives and not to mention the predicted 50 times more likely for obama to be assassinated than mccain had mccain been elected than your just as crazy as scott who you tried to defend in one of your previous posts.

Nov 6, 2008 - 4:15 pm 331. susan:

oooh sorry if i hurt your sensibilities james westlake, I am just taking a leaf from your side, the side famous for quotes like “sarah palin is a c**t”.

I repeat the question because you lack basic comprehension skills

“just by curiosity, do you think that some republican 4 years ago went to the dailykos to spit the same bull$hit you are spitting to us now like “don’t worry, he will be a good president”?”

Do you want me to make you a draw or you can call an adult that can explain it to you?

Nov 6, 2008 - 4:29 pm 332. susan:

“I don’t know. The world seems pretty happy with the results of our election — you know, along with the voters right here.”

yes, iran, venezuela, hamas, hezbollah…

It’s good that they are happy. That is america n 1 concern.

Nov 6, 2008 - 4:32 pm 333. Jim:

TO: Chuck
RE: A “Subtle Difference”

A difference so subtle is a distinction, not a difference. “The” president is “my” president, and “yours” and “his” and “hers” and “theirs.” To disagree or disapprove is the American birthright; to disown is churlish and unworthy.

Now there’s a subtle difference for you.

Nov 6, 2008 - 4:45 pm 334. Al:

Susan wrote (335):”yes, iran, venezuela, hamas, hezbollah…”

Albany, Dayton, Richmond, Reno, Trenton, Miami, Redding and Pascagula. I been everywhere man, across the USA, man.

Get over your bad self. You don’t know better than everyone else. You aren’t smarter, more perceptive or more attuned to the cosmos than the rest of us peons. You’re just pouting and like I tell my kids: if one person tells you something, ignore it. If two people tell you something, start paying attention. If 55 million people tell you something, you may have to consider the possibility that you are wrong.

Nov 6, 2008 - 5:04 pm 335. Alice:

BS..Your comment touched me. I have over the years saw sporadic views of the loss those in South Africa have endured. As you probably know, most information is select..although there are honest stories if your willing to search.
This election to half of us in America is the end of all we’ve held as close to idyllic and worth living for and fighting for. Even with her flaws, America has been the best hope for anyone who was willing to work hard and apply themselves. We do have a minority here though, that have for 70 years and 10 generations, been brainwashed, used, lied to, dumbed down and government grown and owned. As you’ve probably seen, hurricane Katrina showed the world what happens when you sit and wait for the government to save you. They won’t. No lessons learned though.
A false prophet, a manufactured, Alinsky trained socialist from the slums of Chicago (thug capital of the world) paid for, lied to and has promised the impossible, to occupy the highest office in this country. To fulfill the failed dreams of a 60′ radical home grown terrorist, a black theologists preacher and his Muslim loving friends and mentors. It is the most shameful day for a lot of us. As I write this though the gods of chaos and failure are descending on the chosen one. Watching his greedy, sleazy, entitlement followers rant for their money owed them. They will be our revenge in these next four years. The youth and true America loving Democrats and Republicans who were duped, will like the Phoenix, rise from the ashes of Obamas doom and gloom and destruction of our great country. To many brave and honorable men and women have sacrificed to much for this to be our sorry end. My heart felt best wishes to you and yours, and may your future be one of happiness and freedom. As may ours.

Nov 6, 2008 - 5:12 pm 336. susan:

Al, you said “The world seems pretty happy with the results of our election — you know”

While it’s true that those american places are part of the world, I was only pointing out the other “international” compliments he received.

If you don’t like them, it’s not my fault.

I’d be ashamed to be complimented by Chavez, but also I’d be ashamed of hanging out with someone who bombed the pentagon too.

And about your silly remark “If 55 million people tell you something, you may have to consider the possibility that you are wrong.”

Well, a good 20 million people democratically elected Hitler and thought it was a great idea, what is your point?

Since you talk with cheap lines, here’s my “the road to hell is paved with good intentions”.

Nov 6, 2008 - 5:19 pm 337. Andrew:

Michele Catalono must be really leftist-biased to encourage pride in a communist president. Because the people in this country are so stupid, and the democratic system is out of date, I’m leaving this country, letting the others enjoy what lies ahead.

As an aside, I’ve had an impression that Pajamas Media was supposed to be a counterweight to MSNBC.

Nov 6, 2008 - 6:19 pm 338. interestinconundrum:

How old is Josh?
I’d say about 12.

Nov 6, 2008 - 7:22 pm 339. interestinconundrum:

Barack Obama’s election makes me physically ill.
After all we know about him. It just boggles my mind.

Nov 6, 2008 - 7:32 pm 340. Mike:

Obama will not unify this nation. There are millions of us that will never be reconciled to the fact that the majority in this country decided to turn their birthright of freedom over to a potential Marxist dictator. Benjamin Franklin said it best when after the Constitutional Convention someone asked him “what do we have sir”? “A republic, if you can keep it”, he answered. Our republic is gone and just like the Germans before the war, we have voted it away.

Nov 6, 2008 - 8:34 pm 341. Matt, Esq.:

Concerned :

I honestly don’t know if you’re a valid representation of the moderate liberal.

But my response is the far left/Obama faction of your party has spent 8 years calling the president a liar, a cheat, a moron, a fascist, Hitler, etc. The Left has done everything they can to undermine the liberation of Iraq, which is incredible, considering progressives used to want “freedom” for everybody.

The Iraqis are better off now then they were under Sadam Hussein. Yes, they had it hard for first few years but I’ve know soldiers who have been to Iraq and say its lightyears in terms of freedom from what the Iraqis had under Hussein. I pray that the Iraqis purple fingers after voting will be venerated by historians as an amazing time in the evolution of a middle eastern superpower.

Nov 6, 2008 - 9:25 pm 342. jonesy55:

“The Iraqis are better off now then they were under Sadam Hussein.”

Well, unless they are dead that is, which lots of them are.

Certainly the millions of professionals who have left the country to find refuge in Europe are better off too.

The rest of them may be a little bit better off now but it’s still hardly a picnic over there.

What I don’t understand though is why the most murderous, dictatorial, corrupt, terrorist and radicalist sponsoring and undemocratic regime in the region (Saudi Arabia) is still sucked up to, sold arms and generally feted by the west.

The fact that we are not talking about invading Riyadh just goes to show that ‘bringing freedom’ is not our goal in the region, we just want to install pro-western puppet governments. Maybe some think that’s fine if it promotes our interests but we should at least be honest about it and forget all this ‘bringing democracy’ bs.

Nov 6, 2008 - 11:12 pm 343. James Westlake:

Susan,

“Do you want me to make you a draw or you can call an adult that can explain it to you?”

why would anyone want to engage with someone who speaks like this???

If you ask the question in a polite adult way I will be happy to try and answer for you.

love

Westalke

Nov 7, 2008 - 1:52 am 344. concerned:

Matt,

I’m not sure you answered my question. I still hold that there are jerks on both sides. I watched the right try to tear down Clinton in a similar manner when he was president. I’ve listened to conservative talk radio. They go off on some pretty fun tangents Granted, Clinton made an easy target, but no easier than Bush has been. For the record, I cringe when I think of some of the crap said about Palin when she was selected and I have argued with other liberals about their idiotic stand in attacking her rather than her politics.

The point is that when we blanketly accuse all, we get no where. Maybe I’m not a valid respresentation of a moderate liberal, whatever that is, but I am a patriot who votes and acts with my countries best interest in mind. I might be wrong, I might be right, but it would be nice if I and liberal minded people like myself were not vilified randomly.

I think I am sending too much time on this blog. I going to spend more time watching football and drinking beer with my conservative friends. Love of the home team isone we donkeys and elephants coan come together.

Peace;-)

Nov 7, 2008 - 2:42 am 345. James Westlake:

Andrew,

“Michele Catalono must be really leftist-biased to encourage pride in a communist president. ”

why do you believe the President elect is communist?

Peace

westlake

Nov 7, 2008 - 3:41 am 346. susan:

jonesy, how many people saddam killed with the iran-iraq war? How many people he was about to kill in Kuwait? How many shiites (he is sunni) were killed under his regime? How many kurds have been gassed?

I see Iraq was a prosperous nation under tyrant saddam. Why don’t you educate yourself instead of repeating the leftist talking points like a broken record?

http://www.iwf.org/news/show/19079.html

the above is a report (by also leftist feminists) that explain to you how good was Iraq under saddam.

Some lines

“Much of the anti-war propagandists’ defense of Saddam as a champion of women’s rights rests on his willingness to allow women to vote (for him), drive cars, own property, get an education and work. What they choose to ignore, however, is the systematic rapes, torture, beheadings, honor killings, forced fertility programs, and declining literacy rates that also characterized Saddam’s regime. A few examples can only begin to illustrate the cruelty and suffering endured by thousands of Iraqi women.

One torture technique favored by Saddam’s henchman and his sons involved raping a detainee’s mother or sister in front of him until he talked. In Saddam’s torture chambers women, when not tortured and raped, spent years in dark jails. If lucky, their suckling children were allowed to be with them. In most cases, however, these children were considered a nuisance to be disposed of; mass graves currently being uncovered contain many corpses of children buried alive with their mothers.

During Saddam’s war with Iran, nearly an entire generation of Iraqi men were killed, injured or captured, leaving a dearth of men of military age in Iraqi society. As a result, Saddam launched “fertility campaigns” that forcibly administered fertility drugs to school girls as young as 10 in an effort to drive up the population rate.

After the Gulf War–particularly after crushing the Shiite and Kurdish uprisings of 1991–Saddam reverted to tribal and “Islamic” traditions as a means to consolidate power. Iraqi women paid the heaviest price for his new-found piety. Many women were removed from government jobs and were not allowed to travel without the permission of a male relative. Men were exempted from punishment for “honor” killings–killings carried out on female relatives who had supposedly “shamed” their family. An estimated 4,000 women died from honor killings in the ensuing years. By 2000, Iraqi women, once considered the most highly educated in the Middle East, had literacy levels of only 23%. ”

What happened AFTER the fall of saddam is not USA’s fault.

Nov 7, 2008 - 4:05 am 347. James Westlake:

Susan,

“What happened AFTER the fall of saddam is not USA’s fault.”

I just want to give you a big Hug

westlake

Nov 7, 2008 - 5:16 am 348. Chelsea:

Westlake, I’m not talking about you I’m talking about Michele. He’s not my president, and he’ won’t be. I’ll give him the same reverence the left gave ours.

Nov 7, 2008 - 5:59 am 349. Jonesy55:

Susan, you are arguing against a straw man, show me where I said that Saddam’s Iraq was a nice place?

I’m just pointing out that an equally brutal, corrupt, dictatorial regime is our best buddy and ally.

Nov 7, 2008 - 6:24 am 350. susan:

jonesy, either you are extremely naive or 12 years old.

It disgust me that saudi arabia, a country where what is underground is far more precious than what is over the ground, is an ally.

In worldwide politics, as well as in life, sometimes we cannot always choose.

The whole hystory of the world has been conducted with the philosophy of “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”.

This is why it’s important not to depend on oil. Nobody is friend with a backward and corrupt and racist country like saudi arabia because of other reasons. It is because of oil.

We mistakenly believed that Iraq, or kuwait could be interested in a path to civilization, this is why the iraq surge was strategic, but nobody is prepared to face the fact that muslims are slave to islam and they cannot progress.

We tried and it worked only in part. That doesn’t mean that the intentions were good.

Being from a country that has no oil on its own (and for the matter no other resource, coal, gas etc) we are unfortunately dependent on the muslim crooks and tyrants of north africa and they always threat us with their oil.

At least countries like USa who has some resources on their own should rely on those.

It’s a sad situation but until oil ends for those countries, there is no other choice.

Nov 7, 2008 - 7:10 am 351. susan:

The sentence should be

That doesn’t mean that the intentions were NOT good.

Nov 7, 2008 - 7:11 am 352. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Al
RE: Linkage vs. Compelling

I’ve looked at your links and they aren’t exactly compelling. — Al

I didn’t expect them to be ‘compelling’. Rather, I expected them to be accepted as evidence that thinks are not quite what you might think.

So. I suppose I was moderately successful in that effort. And I appreciate your appreciation of them, accordingly.

RE: Equivocation

The first link pretty much contradicts your assertion about millions of foreign dollars and only points out the credit card processing procedures for donations under $200. It takes a whole boatload of them to equal “millions”. — Al

You can’t prove they didn’t come from foreign investors anymore than I can prove they did. But the general fact is that using these credit cards, they could very well have come from foreign investors working through agents in this country.

It is a ‘reasonable’ supposition. Not proof in a court of law, but then again—because there is no system to provide appropriate evidence. But nevertheless quite possible. And in the gray area, crime thrives.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Lawyer, n., One skilled at circumventing the Law.]

Nov 7, 2008 - 8:58 am 353. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Jim
RE: Disowning

To disagree or disapprove is the American birthright; to disown is churlish and unworthy. —

Parents have been known to disown their own children. People have been known to disavow their own citizenship.

Neither of those actions are ‘churlish’.

And you’re, subtly, changing the nature of the discussion. And I won’t fall for it.

Obama, for the time being, is president-elect. If there is a compelling reason to question his ability to hold the office of president, it should be seriously considered. I offered such a challenge earlier in this thread. And I have YET to see anyone offer the necessary evidence that would refute my challenge that all the evidence offered by his campaign and others does NOT prove that he is a citizen of the United States.

I’ll be happier if YOU could provide the proof that his campaign and officials of the Great State of Hawaii have FAILED to offer.

SHOW ME THE ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE! Complete and un-redacted and un-modified.

That includes seals, identities of hospital and delivery physician, WITH SIGNATURES.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. I’ve got the origianl copy of mine. What have YOU got and how does IT compare with what’s provided by Obama’s campaign?

Nov 7, 2008 - 9:05 am 354. Chuck Pelto:

P.P.S. An official document that doesn’t have a seal and/or signature of the official authenticating it as bona fide isn’t worth a darn in a court of law.

Nov 7, 2008 - 9:08 am 355. jonesy55:

Has anybody produced a Kenyan birth certificate for him yet?

Nov 7, 2008 - 9:40 am 356. Chuck Pelto:

TO: jonesy55
RE: The Kenyan Side of the BC Story

Has anybody produced a Kenyan birth certificate for him yet? — jonesy55

Do the Kenyans actually KEEP such documents?

All we have so far is a statement by his paternal grandmother, in Kenya, that she witnessed his birth in that country.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out....]

Nov 7, 2008 - 9:53 am 357. James Westlake:

Chuck

“If this document is forged, a U.S. senator and his presidential campaign have perpetrated a vast, long-term fraud. They have done it with conspiring officials at the Hawaii Department of Health, the Cook County (Ill.) Bureau of Vital Statistics, the Illinois Secretary of State’s office, the Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois and many other government agencies.”

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/

maybe it’s time you found something else to obsess about?

westlake

Nov 7, 2008 - 10:13 am 358. Chuck Pelto:

TO: concerned
RE: ‘Liberals’

I have read some pretty outlandish and disrespectful comments on this page as well. i have also seen how liberals trying to engage in civil dialogeue have been slammed…. — concerned

Indeed. I witness such behavior from all sides of these discussions. There are individuals who will not respect the call to respect each other in all camps.

What’s your point? That we can’t have a civil discussion, as long as both of us remain civil in its course?

My observation has been that the one who starts ‘name-calling’, or yelling, first loses the ‘debate’.

….including one who wished the conservatives well. — concerned

I’ve wished REAL ‘liberals’ as much. But the real ones are few and far between, these days, as far as I can discern. Indeed. I suspect I’m more liberal, in terms of the definition in any commonly accepted dictionary than a lot of people I’ve encountered of late who claim to be ‘liberal’.

Am I to assume that the South African racist who wrote that Obama is doomed to fail because he is an inferior black man speaks for all conservatives. No! — concerned

Where did anyone say that?

There are liberal jerks just as there are conservative jerks. — concerned

I think we’re agreed on that observation.

RE: Thoughtful Issues

Thank you for your answer in 308. you made me think about my position. I am still liberal but I understand why you would oppose regulation. — concerned

If you think my perception is a bit dark, allow me to point out a series of novels by science fiction giant Larry Niven.

Back in the 1970s he hypothesized a society where the government harvested organs from convicts to sell to line the government coffers.

Guess what was discovered happening in Arkansas under Governor Clinton, after he was elected to the Presidency? And more recently and grotesquely in Communist China?

Truly ‘liberal’ action there.

First let me say I feel for your family and its bout with cancer. My grandmother passed away from breast cancer. — concerned

Thank you.

The battle continues. She’s still hanging in there.

I agree that the emergency room is not a viable medical care. If people had access to preventative care, they would not need to overwhelm emergency rooms. — concerned

Actually. Based on our recent experiences in the ER of the hospital across the street from our residence, I don’t think that is actually true. Most of the people in the ER WE saw, when we took mom in there for some acute distress, were druggies or drunkees in the escort of a police officer that couldn’t find his fourth-point-of-contact with both hands. In other words, the system is totally broken. Officer of the law LOST their charges a few minutes after the medical ‘professionals’ took them under their charge. [Note: It was ‘interesting’ to watch the expressions on the police officers’ face once the hospital staff told them that they had no idea where the charge had ‘wandered off to’.]

One drunk tried to pick a fight with someone else next to my mother-in-law in the ‘holding area’.

We need to find a way to keep people out of emergency rooms for treatment of chronic illness like asthma. — concerned

There are ways. But the AMA has apparently done a fine job of suppressing that sort of information.

I’m reminded of how the Roman Catholic Church of the Middle Ages behaved, prior to the Reformation.

When you live in a poor neighborhood and you have no viable income you are stuck. — concerned

No you are not ‘stuck’. You’re just given to think you are, because the people who WANT you to think that are telling you that. And, because you don’t know any differently, you accept what THEY have to say.

Therein is the self-defeating, self-imposed prison that the Democrats would LOVE to have you believe. They rely on that mentality. And they do everythink they can to perpetuate it.

If you buy into it, it’s a self-inflicted wound of the ‘drinking the kool-aide’ sort.

Trying going to an inner city groccery store and compare the prices. The goods cost more because there is a captive audience or the products are inferior — concerned

Welcome to the new plantation. Sort of like the old coal-mine operation described in that famous song about….

“Load sixteen tons and whadda ya get; Another day older and deeper in debt. Saint Peter don’t you call me; Cause I can’t gooooo. I owe my soul to the company stoooooore.”

It’s a self-perpetuating cycle that only the individual with courage and a will to step out-of-the-box can overcome. In other words, it’s up to the individual to get themselves OUT of their situation.

RE: Education IS the Key

We need a ground up effort to educate people about healthy living. — concerned

True. But the vaunted American public education system is not willing to do the education necessary to overcome the problem. Indeed. They are a key factor in perpetuating the problem.

Why?

Because that’s what the Democrats WANT to happen.

Seriously. Look at any inner-city education system and environment.

Do you REALLY believe that ‘socialism’ works? If it did, won’t Detroit or inner-city Philly be a paradise by now?

We need to find a way for poor people to have access to healty food. — concerned

People can ALWAYS access good, i.e., ‘healthy’ food. They just need to go to someplace they can get it regularly. And the inner-city is NOT that sort of place. They need to move OUT of the inner city, as oh so many people have already figured out.

We moved away from a major metropolitan area five years ago.

[1] Our blood pressure dropped by ten points.
[2] The quality of the food we got improved significantly.
[3] The price of that food dropped significantly.
[4] We’re no longer living in a potential target area for a terrorist nuke attack.
[5] Our gasoline usage dropped by over half.

It can happen to anyone. All they have to do is have the courage, or faith, to take the leap.

we need to find a way to provide preventative care, not emergency care, which in the end costs us more money. — concerned

Preventive care is a matter of taking care of oneself. That includes good food. That means, getting out of a sick environment and into a healthy one. That means MOVING OUT of the ‘danger zone’.

RE: Educational Reading Materials

About the education. You should read a book called Savage Inequalities. — concerned

Not familiar with it. But if it is what you’re calling on in your previous arguments—which I suspect—you’re only reinforcing what I’ve stated earlier in this comment.

But I’ll look it up. I’ll be coming out of a bout of realistic scifi here in the next few days. Currently reading Pournelle’s Falkenberg’s Legion series. Written in the early 1990s, the parallels between the Obama campaign and the Helots on Sparta are quite impressive. Especially in light of the riots in California over the passing of Proposition 8.

Despite the laws on the books, the truth is that children in poor communities are not getting the same education as those in richer ones. — concerned

I’m not disagreeing with that. Relatively speaking, where I live, a smaller, more rural, community in my state, we get the same sort of treatment from OUR state legislature.

I blame it on the Warren Supreme Court of the 1960s, which passed the [misnomer] One-Man/One-Vote ruling of Reynolds v. Simms (1964).

It destroyed the balance of legislative power between populous (metropolitan) and non-populous (rural) areas in ever state in the Union by destroying what is known as The Great Compromise in the United States Congress. It turned every state senate into nothing more than an overpaid, glorified version of the state house of representatives.

As a result, we witness the continual loss of resources to support ourselves in the rural areas, as they are sucked into the metropolitan areas by legislative fiat. Now, where I live, we, who can see the chess-pieces moved into position, watch as the only multi-million metro area in our state prepares to seize the limited water available to us to support their growth.

Some of the conditions our kids have to go to school under are just plain sickening considering we live in the richest county on earth. — concerned

I’m not surprised by your report. Indeed. It is typical of the situation as I described earlier here. And, it parallels the scifi future ‘history’ as Jerry Pournelle hypothesized it in his Falkenberg’s Legion series, less the CoDominion aspect. But the development of the ‘Welfare Islands’ and the class warfare he describes are developing ‘nicely’. Give it a few more years, and we may declare Pournelle and Niven as Nostradamus of the 20th Century. [Note: Whenever the two of them collaborated on a book, it was always a smash hit.]

RE: Education Here

I live in a rich county with top rated schools. The school in my commnuity was “renovated.” This building was falling apart and our kids had to go to school in a construction zone. There were drill bits coming through the floor, asbestos clearings, and fire hazzards abound. — concerned

Asbestos is not as serious an issue as you might be lead to believe.

Yes. It’s serious if you breath it every day. BUT, my house is FULL of it. It was a commonly held construction material when this house was built. It’s only a hazard if it is a dust form every day for an extended period of time. The people who turned it into a ‘horror’ have made a LOT of money off of it. Something like my earlier description of cancer treatment vis-a-vis the AMA.

As long as it is a horror, they make a LOT of money.

The rich kid’s down the street got a brand new state of the art facility. — concerned

I’m not surprised. It has Jerry Pournelle’s vision of the future all over it, in reality. Political power, based on political donations, getting the ‘right’ people into political office and rewarding their supporters accordingly.

And now we have Obama, who received SCADS of money from HIS supporters of dubious background and credentials.

Thank God the staff is dedicated and the well to parents who are in the school went to bat for the kids. — concerned

Good for them. All of them. But what happens when the funds ‘go away’? Or, more importantly, what is being taught there? Are they being set up to fail?

I am a judge of high school debate. Been one for years. I even judge national competition qualification rounds. I’m not particularly impressed with what the students who come before me know about history or civics or logic. And the signs and posters I see hanging in the schools where tournaments are held do not give me a positive impression of what these young adults are being taught.

While they did not get the new facility, thanks to community action and protest, things changed. Some parents had clout and could make it beter for all of the kids. What do you do when everyone in the school is at the bottom? I think some sort of intelligent regulation might be needed. — concerned

Again….excellent work. But I suspect that unless something changes the local school board and state in a significant manner, it’s just a short-term change. Nothing that a couple of years and such won’t set aside.

Hoping for civil response. And seriously, read Savage Inequalities. It shed a lot of light on what is wrong with our schools. — concerned

I’ll look into the book. Thanks for the recommendation…..

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[So much to learn.....so little time......God help me to understand.....]

Nov 7, 2008 - 11:50 am 359. Chuck Pelto:

TO: James [the feckless] Westlake
RE: Forged?

If this document is forged, a U.S. senator and his presidential campaign have perpetrated a vast, long-term fraud. — James Westlake

You can’t have a forgery without a signature.

However, you CAN have a ‘fake’. Like the letter about Bush that Dan Rather claimed was the ‘Truth’.

But I guess you can’t appreciate the significance of what I’m saying here.

As for the fraud….

….I guess you haven’t read my report about my fellow M who confessed to knowing the Gulf of Tonkin Incident, which got us DEEP into Viet Nam, was a fraud perpetrated on US by the Democrat President Johnson.

And it wasn’t until the mid-1990s that we REALLY appreciated how deep a fraud it was.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. Try NOT to be so ‘dense’ in the future.

Nov 7, 2008 - 11:53 am 360. James Westlake:

Chuck

you seem unable to think rationally about this. Did you follow my link and actually read what it had to say?

westlake

Nov 7, 2008 - 12:37 pm 361. James Westlake:

Chuck

BTW are there any rumours, allegations, insinuations or conspiracy theories about the President elect that you don’t believe?

peace

westlake

Nov 7, 2008 - 12:41 pm 362. Chuck Pelto:

TO: James [the feckless] Westlake
RE: Really?

you seem unable to think rationally about this. — James Westlake

How very odd…..

You’re the one who can’t tell the difference between ‘forgery’ and ‘fraud’. And you claim that I am “unable to think rationally”?

I propose that any reasonably prudent individual would recognize that you’re the one with the problem.

Or are you going to provide the evidence I’ve been asking for? That is opposed to makeing weak allegations that I’ve got mental issues.

Go on….I defy you to provide the proof…..

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[No Jesus. No peace. Know Jesus. Know peace.]

P.S. What does a non-Christian know about “peace”?

Based on your demonstrations here……

Nov 7, 2008 - 1:11 pm 363. James Westlake:

btw

Fox News has quoted McCain aides saying that Palin did not know Africa was a continent but thought it was a country. BRILLIANT!!! McCain’s lack of judgement where he put the need to get the religious right on board above above the security of the country rendered him unelectable.

thank God this woman never became VP.

peace

Westlake

Nov 7, 2008 - 1:12 pm 364. Chuck Pelto:

P.P.S. I notice that you do not explain away how MacNamara and all the officers in the US Navy who were in CINCPAC-HQ at the time of the Gulf of Tonkin Incident, kept the fraud that President LBJ (D-TX) perpetrated on US a secret until the 1990s. That’s 30 years of a dark secret that cost 58,000 American lives and God alone knows how many others.

Please explain THAT away while you try to explain away the fact that Obama’s campaign has provided us with a fake document that has no signatures…..

Nov 7, 2008 - 1:36 pm 365. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: Talking about Changing the Subject….

“Fox News has quoted McCain aides saying that Palin did not know Africa was a continent but thought it was a country.” — James [the feckless] Westlake

….in an act of desperation.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[If you can't convince them, confuse them.]

Nov 7, 2008 - 1:37 pm 366. Chuck Pelto:

P.S. Those ‘McCain aides’ are anonymouse…

….i.e., they could be people like James [the feckless] Westlake saying such and claiming to be ‘McCain aides’. Heck….

….one of them probably IS Westlake, for all we can tell.

And James [the feckless] expects US to believe him?

Typical ‘liberal’ Jedi wannabe mind-tricks.

Nov 7, 2008 - 1:44 pm 367. James Westlake:

Chuck,

“Go on….I defy you to provide the proof…..”

Proof of what Chuck? You’re the one making allegations not me. Neither have I suggested you have ‘mental issues’, there is no need to be so paranoid ( I use the term colloquially)

“P.S. What does a non-Christian know about “peace”?”

Two questions Chuck…

1, Do you really believe that only those that claim to be Christians know what peace is?

2, Do you really believe all those who call themselves Christians are always peaceful?

btw. how does it feel to realise that most Christians appear to have voted for Barack Hussein Obama?

Love & Peace

Westalke

Nov 7, 2008 - 1:49 pm 368. Chuck Pelto:

TO: James [the feckless] Westlake
RE: Rumor Control

BTW are there any rumours, allegations, insinuations or conspiracy theories about the President elect that you don’t believe? — James [the feckless] Westlake

Which ones are you thinking about? Anything like he is a homosexual lesbian in reverse-drag? As I have not heard that one just yet. But who knows…..

Please be specific.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[One person tells a lie and a thousand others repeat it as if it were true. -- Benjamin Franklin]

P.S. For some ’strange reason’ no one seems to have come up with a signed and sealed document to replace the one at The One’s web-site.

Why is that? I ask you….

Nov 7, 2008 - 1:49 pm 369. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All, especially, James [the feckless] Westlake and realitychiq
RE: More Tomorrow, Folks….

Right now the neighborhood association has planned a progressive wine-tasting party as a fund raiser to sustain ourselves in the face of the ’slings and arrows of outrageous fortune’ as hurled at us by the City Council and I’m intent upon attending.

We had a local victory against such ‘audacity of Hope’ on their part this last Tuesday. A GREAT victory in a change to the city ordinances that requires televised public forums as part of City Council meetings. Three guesses as to what the City Council DIDN’T want….first two don’t count…..

I intend to celebrate the local issue victory, despite my apprehensions of what transpired at the national level.

After all, if everything goes to hell-in-a-hand-basket, I’m certain that WE’LL survive. We have agriculture, cattle, oil, coal, iron ore, smelters, forges, rail, roads and water. Not that the rest of the nation can say as much in one state. [Note: Why do you think that Denver is the next national capital, if Washington gets 'wasted'.]

Not so sure about the rest of the nation, i.e., how can the major metro areas say they’ll survive if things go ’south’. But then again, that might be a blessing in disguise…..

I’ll address your specific whinings come tomorrow…probably afternoon. In the meantime, have a wonderful evening and weekend.

Regards,

Chuck(le)ing….

….along the Front Range…..

Nov 7, 2008 - 2:45 pm 370. Chuck Pelto:

P.S. Every people gets the governance it deserves…..

Nov 7, 2008 - 2:48 pm 371. James Westlake:

Chuck

“James [the feckless] Westlake”

you seem to be following our friend Susan into childish name calling as your arguments evaporate. Try and be civil if you wish to continue this conversation. Continue to be discourteous if you don’t.

“P.S. For some ’strange reason’ no one seems to have come up with a signed and sealed document to replace the one at The One’s web-site.

Why is that? I ask you….”

Have you even considered for one moment that it might be because it is his actual birth certificate??? I also notice you haven’t told me if you followed the link I sent you…

“Which ones are you thinking about? ”

ANY. I am asking you if there are any rumours, allegations, insinuations or conspiracy theories that you have come across about Obama that you don’t believe? I simple yes or no answer will service. You don’t need to be specific.

btw FYI “You can’t have a forgery without a signature.”

erm. yes you can. If you don’t know what words mean I suggest you look them up in a dictionary.

love & peace

westlake

Nov 7, 2008 - 2:54 pm 372. James Westlake:

btw Chuck,

Don’t you think Fox news would be likely to know whether or not their source was a bona-fide McCain aid? Or do you think Fox is part of your ‘Leftist Conspiracy’? Either way it is amusing to see the right turn on each other.

peace

Westlake

Nov 7, 2008 - 3:02 pm 373. Will Segraves:

In the words of Braveheart: Yes I will be proud only if you go door to door and kiss the rear ends of the 56 million McCain/Palin supporters.

Nov 7, 2008 - 5:05 pm 374. David:

James, realitycheq, i’m glad a few people finally started to confront people on this sight. Before a few days ago it seemed that you were up for capital punishment if you said anything that sounded closely pro-obama on this site. I don’t know if you have noticed but the entire website is conservative trash like the article “How To Deal With A Palin Hater” in the advice column. No matter what you say, or how well you argue, or how civil you try to be, the ones you are arguing with like chuck and susan will never admit reason, but will continue to fight until you have given up trying to converse with these people because of the unimaginable amount of ignorance you have encountered. After you give up trying to convince them that obama’s not a socialist, terrorist, muslim, or american hater, due to their ignorance, they will say they won because you gave up arguing. I still come on here because I get a kick out of looking at the things posted on this sight. Take my advice, by continuing to argue you are simply wasting your time. These people sit on here all day trying to come up with conspiracies to throw at democrats. I would not even bother dealing with them.

Nov 7, 2008 - 6:43 pm 375. concerned:

Chuck,
You can have civil discussion. You are well read and I respect the thought you put into you response for me. I still disagree with many of your assessments, but I respect your opinion. As for the comment made by the South African, it was made on this site. It would be easy to over look because there were hundreds of replies and you could have moved on to another page. With that said, I have more important things to do than sit on this blog and debate over the internet. I’ll go back to my teaching career and work to create thinkers who are willing to listen to each other and work together to find solutions. If my generation can’t figure out how to have different opinions with out attacking each other, maybe theirs can. I would like to leave you with this thought. Being American means defending the right of another American to hold an opinion you despise and would rail against with all of your being. (I got that from The American President). Well I have seen opions expressed that I rail against and I would defend your right to hold it because that is the American way.

Take care of yourself Chuck, james, reality check. Its been real. God bless, peace, shalom, alakasalam, adios ……………

Nov 7, 2008 - 10:16 pm 376. Is Fox Abandoning the Mob it Created | America For Purchase:

[...] also adopted a grotesquely insincere “let’s be civil and dignified” tone. One Election Day blog article was headlined “Let’s Take Some Pride in Obama’s Election — No Matter Who We [...]

Nov 8, 2008 - 9:47 am 377. Cybergeezer:

The Republicans have four years to groom their “celebrity” candidate that shall dazzle the media and hypnotize voters in the same fashion as this Democrat Celebrity. These campaigns are nothing but survivor episodes.
Can’t someone find a U.S. birth certificate for Schwarzenegger?

Nov 8, 2008 - 1:45 pm 378. Ann:

58,000,000+ people voted against Barack Hussein Obama.

The only thing that has been achieved in this week’s election is that we have now documented that about 63,000,000+ people (1) are willing to be made even more dependent on government, (2) are willing to be deceived even when the security of our nation is at stake, and, (3) are now deliriously happy that “their side won” without having the first thought about what that actually means.

And one more thing is accomplished: the EuroIslamic states (formerly known as Europe) now have what apparently they have wanted–United States leadership that isn’t ABOUT to assist militarily no matter what the threat. It may come from Russia, Morocco, homegrown terrorists or India, but guess what! They win! Our newly reduced military will not have the interest or ability to answer their call!

Wow. Is that neat or what.

The anticipation of schadenfreude to come as Obama Childman is overwhelmed by Putin’s threats and other accumulating realities will be severely limited inasmuch as the idiots who punched the holes in the hull will be taking the rest of us down with the ship.

Nov 8, 2008 - 3:10 pm 379. James Westlake:

Ann,

Have you ever been to Europe?

westlake

Nov 8, 2008 - 3:47 pm 380. Belladonna Rogers:

Pure, unthought-out hogwash, Michele.
Would Hillary Clinton’s election be a great step forward for “women” and the “United States”?
Would Eliot Spitzer’s election to the Presidency be a great step forward for Jews or for the country? Why, Michele, is
the election of an ill-prepared (and they called Palin unprepared), empty suit who consorted with Ayers and prayed with Wright without noticing the latter’s political views a great moment in this country’s history? Until and unless there is a well-qualified woman, Jewish or African-American candidate who is elected President, it is not an occasion for a racist, bigoted, male chauvinist country to pat itself on the back and crow about how wonderfully post-racial, post-anti-Semitic and post-male chauvinist a country we are.
If the electorate knew (or cared) more about Obama, this man would be lucky to be a Senator from Illinois. But thanks to the MSM, the country didn’t, and we now have what we now have. I find your column to be blinkered, and not post-racial. Post-racial would not mention the color of this man’s skin but only the content of his character. Since the vast majority of voters don’t have a scintilla of evidence that this man, the President-elect, has a character one can admire, I find your column to be based on the fact that, as he himself noted, he doesn’t look like those other guys on dollar bills.
Lincoln didn’t have a teleprompter or a speechwriter. Without either of these, our President-elect has demonstrated in his very first post-November 4 press conference that his mouth has the same capacity as his running-mate’s easily to accommodate his foot.

Nov 8, 2008 - 4:58 pm 381. James Westlake:

Belladonna,

“Would Hillary Clinton’s election be a great step forward for “women” and the “United States”? Would Eliot Spitzer’s election to the Presidency be a great step forward for Jews or for the country?”

Yes. but not as a significant as the election of an African-America given America’s history of Slavery, Bigotry and Racism.

Can you name one living human being who’s background is more widely known that Barack Obama’s?

Westlake

Nov 8, 2008 - 5:53 pm 382. joe:

Yes we are witnessing history being made. The US has now elected a Marxist. We will be able to witness the left and their fellow travelers like david, convert America into a socialist paradise.

I am sure many Germans felt the same sense of elation on 31 July 1932 as the left does today. This will turn out no better for America than it did for Germany

Nov 8, 2008 - 9:16 pm 383. joe:

Jazz Shaw is already a democrat he just might not be part of the Marxist left. But just as anyone seems to be able to call themselves a journalist then Jazz surely can call himself a Republican or anything else he chooses to.

Jazz’s greatest fear and those he shares with the left is Palin. He wants her to disappear and hopefully to be forgotten by the American people. If she does not then she will represent a real threat to the left. She will continue to remind people of the lies that are at the foundation of both Curious Barry and the left presented to them by the propaganda organ of the democrat party once known as M$M.

Yes Jazz you should pray if you do that Palin disappears into the dark Alaska night

Nov 8, 2008 - 9:45 pm 384. Larsen E Whipsnade:

“We have a black president.”

Say what? Obama himself says he’s a “mongrel”. He doesn’t go on and on ablout “blackness” or the “black experience”. He looks and sounds like a 50/50, half-white/black man raised by white folks. Oh, OK, maybe you could stretch it a bit. My gran always said, “There’s black blood in the Whipsnades, somewhere way back when”. That’s more like Obama’s real story.

I’m just thankful he wasn’t raised by Michelle’s family. God bless the both of them, and their kids.

Nov 8, 2008 - 11:29 pm 385. PeterH:

It is always a bit bizarre to a European to read these threads. The European idea of democracy seems so very different. With us, people are supposed to have influence on the various political topics through party membership and participation - we therefore most often have more parties to satisfy different interests within society. It is also thought natural that the democratic state has obligations towards its citizens, such like healtcare (often 100% tax financed), finansial help in cases of unemployment, illness or other tragedies affecting personal lives. Education, research and many other things are also seen as everybody’s business, hence tax-funded.
And it all boils down to that average people in Europe have more to themselves each month, less fear in life and certainly better national economies, since they are to a much lesser degree based on foreign loans. So, as a European I hope that the election of Barack Obama is the first step towards the responsibilities of a modern state in a developed country.

Nov 9, 2008 - 5:28 am 386. Chuck Pelto:

TO: James [the feckless] Westlake
RE: Seemings

you seem to be following our friend Susan into childish name calling as your arguments evaporate. — James [the feckless] Westlake

My args have not evaporated. Indeed, they’ve done the opposite. They’ve coalesced. How so?

Finding out your were flying false colors with your—I don’t really believe this stuff—christian pronouncements. That’s when I started referring to you as ‘feckless’.

Nor have you provided any evidence to support your arguments against my call for seeing The One’s birth certificate, complete withe seals and signatures and other missing information. Another reason for referring to you—accurately—as ‘feckless’.

You can’t handle that so you try to change the subject by saying I’m calling you names.

Well….

….I am. But they’re accurate names.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Hatred is the cowards revenge for being intimidated.....by the truth.]

Nov 9, 2008 - 8:03 am 387. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: realitychiq & Promises

, Chuck, and good luck — realitychiq

She said the same thing shortly after the RNC convention. But, for some strange reason, as susan pointed out, she keeps coming back.

This is not the last we’ll see of her. I’m certain of that.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[As a dog returns to its vomit, so does a fool to their folly. -- Proverbs]

Nov 9, 2008 - 8:07 am 388. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: Ready to move on

I see that our friend, who asked for a civil response has been here since I gave he/she/it such a response and has yet to answer ANY of the questions I asked of them.

Typical ‘progressive’ approach to ‘debate’. Ask many questions. Answer none.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Liberals aren't. Progressives won't.]

Nov 9, 2008 - 8:11 am 389. Chuck Pelto:

You can have civil discussion. — concerned

Yes I can. Especially if people are civil, forthcoming and honest in the first place. Case in point, look at the discussion between myself James Westlake. He presented himself as a christian. But I had a ‘gut feeling’ he was lying. And when it finally came out he WAS lying or misrepresenting himself. Things went ‘downhill’.

You are well read and I respect the thought you put into you response for me. — concerned

Thanks.

I still disagree with many of your assessments, but I respect your opinion. — concerned

You’re entitled. However, I’d appreciate hearing from you which aspects you didn’t agree with.

You see, people don’t learn much by just a few short exchanges. You, as a teacher, should know that.

I’ve been a teacher too. Albeit not in the vaunted American public education system. Rather one in ‘green’. I know about teaching. I know that repetition may not make ‘perfect’, but it DOES make ‘permanent’.

As a judge of debate, I also know that you don’t REALLY learn what one or the other side is getting at until you’ve sat through the entire round. And after the dust settles—from the rebuttals—THEN you can decide who won and who lost. And, in between the lines, you learn more truth of the matter under discussion.

As for the comment made by the South African, it was made on this site. — concerned

Which South African?

It would be easy to over look because there were hundreds of replies and you could have moved on to another page. — concerned

Still here, for what it’s worth. I tend to hang onto a thread until it has gone completely dead. Not like some others who breeze in, fire off a few stray rounds and breeze out: the blogosphere’s version of a drive-by shooting.

With that said, I have more important things to do than sit on this blog and debate over the internet. — concerned

Too bad. Because it’s by such discussion people actually LEARN something.

I’ll go back to my teaching career and work to create thinkers who are willing to listen to each other and work together to find solutions. — concerned

Better than what’ I’ve witnessed in the vaunted American public education system of late. They don’t teach HOW to think. Rather, they teach WHAT to think. It’s not education there so much as brain-washing.

If you hold true to your stated objective, good on you. If you don’t…….

If my generation can’t figure out how to have different opinions with out attacking each other, maybe theirs can. — concerned

Don’t count on it.

I would like to leave you with this thought. Being American means defending the right of another American to hold an opinion you despise and would rail against with all of your being. — concerned

Well….

….as I stated in an earlier comment here, it appears that a number of people don’t agree with you. Instead of merely ‘railing against’ a disagreeing opinion, they actively pursue silencing that opinion.

And, with The One in power, I suspect we’re going to see MORE of that from the highest echelons of our government.

Here’s a key indicator to watch for….

A LOT of people who voted for The One were against the so-called ‘Patriot Act’.

If the ‘Patriot Act’ goes away, I’ll applaud The One of living up to the expectations of those who elected him.

However, if the ‘Patriot Act’ does NOT go away. I see it as a key indicator of something else more insidious at play.

Furthermore, if the ‘Patriot Act’ does not go away and the same people who called it a violation of basic civil rights do not raise bloody hell about it, I’ll see them as rank hypocrites of the worst sort.

By the way, I expect the latter scenario to happen more than the former. Care to place a little wager?

Well I have seen opions expressed that I rail against and I would defend your right to hold it because that is the American way. — concerned

Good on you…..

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular.]

Nov 9, 2008 - 8:32 am 390. James Westlake:

Chuck,

“James Westlake. He presented himself as a christian. But I had a ‘gut feeling’ he was lying. And when it finally came out he WAS lying…”

Please do not lie about me (or anyone else for that matter). It is not ‘Christian’ of you. If on the other hand you are not lying but genuinely misunderstood my position don’t hesitate to ask and I will happily explain my theological position (though it is slightly off topic!)

love and respect

Westlake

Nov 9, 2008 - 10:32 am 391. James Westlake:

Btw Chuck,

you haven’t let me know whether or not you followed my link about Obama’s birth certificate:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/

have you?

if not here are the findings that should finally put your conspiracy to bed:

…

OBAMA”S BIRTH CERTIFICATE: FINAL CHAPTER
By Amy Hollyfield
Published on Friday, June 27th, 2008 at 05:21 p.m.

SUMMARY: Since we published Obama’s birth certificate, questions about its authenticity have been frequent and fierce. After reviewing the evidence, we’re confident in our rulings.

It started as a whisper, a trickle of nagging doubt.

“As a concerned citizen, I’m wondering if there isn’t something fishy going on with the Obama certificate.”

“I have serious doubts about the purported ‘birth certificate’ you were sent.”

“Something doesn’t smell right.”

Soon, e-mails and blog posts were flying. As the pace quickened, the tone sharpened.

“You should be apologizing … for your misinformation regarding BO bogus birth certificate, that you claimed was genuine!”

At full throttle, the accusations are explosive and unrelenting, the writers emboldened by the anonymity and reach of the Internet.

And you can’t help but ask: How do you prove something to people who come to the facts believing, out of fear or hatred or maybe just partisanship, that they’re being tricked?

• • •
Sen. Barack Obama’s birth certificate is a document PolitiFact.com had sought for months. Countless chain e-mails, seeking to paint him as a secret Muslim, speculated that his full name included Muhammed (or Mohammed). Some said he is not an American citizen.

As a fact-checking news Web site, we went to extensive lengths to sort out the truth. We got a copy of his 1992 marriage certificate from the Cook County (Ill.) Bureau of Vital Statistics. His driver’s license record from the Illinois Secretary of State’s office. His registration and disciplinary record with the Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois. Not to mention all of his property records.

Not one of these documents shows a Muhammed (or Mohammed) in Obama’s name. They all read “Barack H. Obama” or “Barack Hussein Obama.”

The ultimate document we sought was Obama’s birth certificate. Unlike the other documents, Hawaii birth certificates aren’t public record. Only family members can request copies, so when the campaign declined to give us one, we were stalled.

On June 13, 2008, Obama’s campaign finally released a copy, while launching a fact-check Web site of its own, Fightthesmears.com. The site is a direct response to allegations about Obama that won’t go away: He’s Muslim. He took the oath of office on a Koran. He refuses to say the Pledge of Allegiance. PolitiFact has researched all of these accusations and none of them are true.

When the birth certificate arrived from the Obama campaign it confirmed his name as the other documents already showed it. Still, we took an extra step: We e-mailed it to the Hawaii Department of Health, which maintains such records, to ask if it was real.

“It’s a valid Hawaii state birth certificate,” spokesman Janice Okubo told us.

Then the firestorm started.

• Where is the embossed seal and the registrar’s signature?

• Comparing it to other Hawaii birth certificates, the color shade is different.

• Isn’t the date stamp bleeding through the back of the document “June 2007?” (Odd since it was supposedly released in June 2008.)

• There’s no crease from being folded and mailed.

• It’s clearly Photoshopped and a wholesale fraud.

• • •
At PolitiFact.com, we’re all about original sources. We don’t take anyone at their word or take the reporting of other media organizations as proof. We go to the heart of the story, the source of the truth — original, corroborating documents.

When the official documents were questioned, we went looking for more answers. We circled back to the Department of Health, had a newsroom colleague bring in her own Hawaii birth certificate to see if it looks the same (it’s identical). But every answer triggered more questions.

And soon enough, after going to every length possible to confirm the birth certificate’s authenticity, you start asking, what is reasonable here?

Because if this document is forged, then they all are.

If this document is forged, a U.S. senator and his presidential campaign have perpetrated a vast, long-term fraud. They have done it with conspiring officials at the Hawaii Department of Health, the Cook County (Ill.) Bureau of Vital Statistics, the Illinois Secretary of State’s office, the Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois and many other government agencies.

Sounds like a Vince Flynn novel.

• • •
Peter Goelz knows a little something about conspiracy theorists.

He was managing director of the National Transportation Safety Board in 1996 when TWA Flight 800 crashed off Long Island, killing 230 people. While the NTSB’s investigation found no evidence of sabotage or terrorism, the Internet was stocked with insistent accusations.

“We were right at the beginning of this Internet lunacy,” Goelz said in an interview with PolitiFact. “And there were a variety of crackpot Web sites and Web commentators that generated all sorts of rumors. The principle one was that TWA in fact was shot down by an errant Navy missile in … a live-fire exercise off the Hamptons.”

Nine miles off Long Island, in the middle of summer. And then a full-scale coverup by the Navy and all the sailors involved.

“I am sure that we spent another $10-million, perhaps $20-million, out of a $50-million investigation, to just knock down and put to bed these kinds of rumors, these insidious rumors,” Goelz said. “We felt like we had to answer every question because it was such a public and dreadful and confounding event.”

Goelz, who is now a communications consultant in Washington, D.C., says the Internet has given a platform to anyone to say anything. And a way to find others who want to hear it.

“Online, they can be almost anything,” he said. “They can be the crusading investigators that they always wanted to be.”

• • •
The Hawaii Department of Health receives about a dozen e-mail inquiries a day about Obama’s birth certificate, spokesman Okubo said.

“I guess the big issue that’s being raised is the lack of an embossed seal and a signature,” Okubo said, pointing out that in Hawaii, both those things are on the back of the document. “Because they scanned the front … you wouldn’t see those things.”

Okubo says she got a copy of her own birth certificate last year and it is identical to the Obama one we received.

And about the copy we e-mailed her for verification? “When we looked at that image you guys sent us, our registrar, he thought he could see pieces of the embossed image through it.”

Still, she acknowledges: “I don’t know that it’s possible for us to even say beyond a doubt what the image on the site represents.”

• • •
And there’s the rub. It is possible that Obama conspired his way to the precipice of the world’s biggest job, involving a vast network of people and government agencies over decades of lies. Anything’s possible.

But step back and look at the overwhelming evidence to the contrary and your sense of what’s reasonable has to take over.

There is not one shred of evidence to disprove PolitiFact’s conclusion that the candidate’s name is Barack Hussein Obama, or to support allegations that the birth certificate he released isn’t authentic.

And that’s true no matter how many people cling to some hint of doubt and use the Internet to fuel their innate sense of distrust.

….

peace and love

Westlake

Nov 9, 2008 - 10:48 am 392. sanczar:

A bunch of lemmings followed each other off the cliff on November 4th. Wake up people!! I’m ready for another American Revolution if Obama/Reid/Pelosi succeed in pushing through their socialist agenda. These are NOT the principles that our country was founded on. My ancestors DID NOT fight in vain!

Nov 9, 2008 - 11:40 am 393. Daily Pundit » Losers:

[...] Pajamas Media » Let’s Take Some Pride in Obama’s Election — No Matter Who We Voted For I urge all Americans who supported me to join me in not just congratulating him, but offering our next president our good will and earnest effort to find ways to come together to find the necessary compromises to bridge our differences and help restore our prosperity, defend our security in a dangerous world, and leave our children and grandchildren a stronger, better country than we inherited. Whatever our differences, we are fellow Americans. And please believe me when I say no association has ever meant more to me than that. [...]

Nov 9, 2008 - 11:56 am 394. Chuck Pelto:

TO: James [the feckless] Westlake
RE: The Birth Certificate

Show us the signed and sealed document. Otherwise, all you’re doing is repeating nothing more than hearsay evidence, which will not hold up in a court of law.

You know what the Law is, don’t you? Then why don’t you adhere to it.

Or are you TRULY ‘feckless’?

TO: All
RE: James [the feckless] Westlake

Westlake is practicing that old thing discovered by Goebbels, The Big Lie, i.e., repeat some lie often enough and people will accept it as the truth….if their stupid enough.

I prefer seeing official documents with signatures and names of REAL people, who if they are lying, face charges of falsification of official documents and/or perjury.

It’s called holding to the truth and the Law. Something that Westlake the Feckless doesn’t seem to appreciate. Or, probably more accurately, hates and despises.

I wonder if he’s a lawyer…..

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Lawyer, n., One skilled at circumventing the Law.

Nov 9, 2008 - 12:13 pm 395. James Westlake:

sanczar,

“A bunch of lemmings followed each other off the cliff on November 4th.”

lead by Palin, McCain and Fox ‘news’ et al.

“Wake up people!!”

America just did, thank God!

respect

Westlake

Nov 9, 2008 - 12:14 pm 396. James Westlake:

Chuck

“‘Show us the signed and sealed document. Otherwise, all you’re doing is repeating nothing more than…”

Do you really think that I actually possess Obama Barack Hussein’s birth certificate??? You really do appear to be loosing your marbles mate (but I still love you!)

peace

westlake

Nov 9, 2008 - 12:47 pm 397. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: Westlake the Feckless & the Birth Certificate

Do you really think that I actually possess Obama Barack Hussein’s birth certificate??? — Westlake the Feckless

See what I mean?

Westlake, and his ilk have no real interest in the truth of a matter. They are only interested in obfuscation and evasion.

Hence, my appellation of ‘feckless’.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out.....]

Nov 9, 2008 - 1:29 pm 398. Chuck Pelto:

P.S. SHOW me and the rest of US the signed and sealed birth certificate from Hawaii.

P.P.S. And the signatures and seals and other information MUST (1) authentic and (2) bona fide.

Otherwise…..three guesses…..first two don’t count…..

Nov 9, 2008 - 1:32 pm 399. James Westlake:

here it is baby…

http://www.factcheck.org/just-the-facts/rezko_reed_reality.html

westlake xx

Nov 9, 2008 - 2:05 pm 400. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: Westlake the Feckless, the Hawaii SecHealth & Obama

“I guess the big issue that’s being raised is the lack of an embossed seal and a signature,” Okubo said, pointing out that in Hawaii, both those things are on the back of the document. “Because they scanned the front … you wouldn’t see those things.”

Gee.

What’s to prevent ANYONE from scanning and showing the seals and signatures.

By the way. Most ’seals’ I’m familiar with are physical impressions in a document. So they’d show through from BOTH sides of a document.

This is another indication that we cannot trust the word of this individual who puts themselves forward as the Hawaii SecHealth.

Look at your own birth certificate and see if there is a ’seal’ on it. Is it of ink or a more physical impression?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. On mine….

….a blind man could read it, i.e., the official seal.

Nov 9, 2008 - 2:17 pm 401. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: Whatta Hoot

America just did, thank God! — Jame [the feckless] Westlake

The feckless atheist invoking God.

See why I refer to him as ‘feckless’?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Those who will not recognize God cannot call upon Him.]

Nov 9, 2008 - 2:43 pm 402. Chuck Pelto:

TO: James [the feckless] Westlake
RE: Thanks!

I’ve not seen so ‘target-rich’ an environment since that scene from Starship Troopers where the bugs are attempting to overrun the outpost.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. And your counter-fire is so ineffectual that it just provides more targets for me.

Keep it up!

Nov 9, 2008 - 2:49 pm 403. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: Alleged “Birth Certificate”

Show US the document.

Don’t send people of no accountability to give us their report of images of no correlation to ANY document.

Show us the entire document.

By the way. regarding the ‘raised seal’ that is mentioned in your link…

….why is it that it doesn’t show through in the document offered by Obama’s campaign? Ever raised seal impression I’ve seen in my 58 year sojourn in this venue, is visible from BOTH sides of the paper it is impressed upon.

But the ‘document’ offered by the Obama campaign’s web-site doesn’t show ANYTHING.

This is Dan Rather’s Bush document all over again.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out....]

P.S. Wouldn’t it be easier to just show US, in a court of law recognized by the American Judicial system, the document you claim is authentic?

It would certain put this ‘rumor’ to bed.

But for some strange reason…..

….you and your compatriots just keep obfuscating.

And the rest of US have to wonder just what it is you’re hiding.

Nov 9, 2008 - 3:01 pm 404. James Westlake:

Born in the U.S.A.
August 21, 2008
Updated: November 1, 2008
The truth about Obama’s birth certificate.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_3.jpg

http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_9.jpg

http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_1.jpg

http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_5.jpg

http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_2.jpg

http://www.factcheck.org/just-the-facts/rezko_reed_reality.html

Nov 9, 2008 - 3:58 pm 405. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: Stupid Efforts

Show me a complete and bona fide document.

It’s sooooo ’simple’…..

….and yet the likes of James [the feckless] Westlake, and his ilk, can’t seem to achieve such a simple task.

It would be SOOOO simple if they would provide a bona fide document in a recognized court of US law.

BUT….

….for some strange reason, all they offer is these series of bits and pieces that would not hold up in ANY reasonably prudent individual’s idea of a court of law.

And they expect US to accept their claims as evidence of proof.

How very odd.

Indeed. I guess I could get Mr. Ed to be elected president of the United States….as well as they would expect US to accept this ‘Ass’ as such…..based on the ‘evidence’ they offer.

SHOW US THE CERTIFICATE, in toto. Intact. In all sides and aspects.

Otherwise….

….I’ve more severe terms to describe you than I’ve heretofore offered.

Regards,

Chuck(le)

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. Bits and pieces don’t mean squat…..

Nov 9, 2008 - 5:31 pm 406. Graziana:

Yeah, I don’t take pride in illegal foreign campaign donations, voter fraud, and propaganda.

This is not a source of pride.

Nov 9, 2008 - 9:10 pm 407. jonesy55:

Chuck, how exactly do you expect james to produce this birth certificate? DO you think he should fly to Hawaii, break into the records dept and then mail it to you?

If you think it’s fake, take it to court, put your money where your mouth is.

Nov 9, 2008 - 11:36 pm 408. James Westlake:

Lisa:

” “Did you catch who Obama left out in this list?

“It’s the answer spoken by young and old, rich and poor, Democrat and Republican, black, white, Hispanic, Asian, Native American, gay, straight, disabled and not disabled. Americans who sent a message to the world that we have never been just a collection of individuals or a collection of red states and blue states.” ”

erm… men?

westlake

Nov 10, 2008 - 3:02 am 409. Jonesy55:

He didn’t mention transgender folk either, damn fascist commie muzzlimm.

Nov 10, 2008 - 4:08 am 410. Will Becker:

So what?

Nov 10, 2008 - 9:40 am 411. deguello:

Let’s see, I’m supposed to be proud,that a panic-stricken,ignorant mob, of feckless spending,cretins,just voted in, an AL Sharpton clone with an affirmative action Ivy degree, better hair, and a watkins diet?Are you insane Catalano?

Nov 10, 2008 - 10:42 am 412. Watching Them Squirm: Is Fox News Abandoning the Mob It Created? - Marijuana Growing:

[...] have also adopted a grotesquely insincere "let’s be civil and dignified" tone. One Election Day blog article was headlined "Let’s Take Some Pride in Obama’s Election — No Matter Who We Voted For," [...]

Nov 10, 2008 - 11:23 am 413. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Jonesy55
RE: The BC

DO you think he should fly to Hawaii, break into the records dept and then mail it to you? — Jonesy55

It’s a technique. And certainly more likely to be something valid as opposed to what is being proffered by his campaign.

I mean….SERIOUSLY….

…..out-take snap shots of some seal or some signature that looked like it was printed by a computer instead of a human hand (the ink looked identical throughout the whole signature block))….not showing the whole document. And they expect us to believe that?

Next they’ll be offering a photoshop job.

If you think it’s fake, take it to court, put your money where your mouth is. — Jonesy55

I may well do that.

After all….

….if it turns out that the certificate being proffered by his campaign IS a fraud, it WILL get him kicked out of the White House.

Regards,

Chuck(le)

Nov 10, 2008 - 12:26 pm 414. Ford289HiPo:

“Let’s Take Some Pride in Obama’s Election — No Matter Who We Voted For”

No- absolutely not!

Nov 10, 2008 - 6:12 pm 415. Brian H:

Suckaaahhs!

Nov 11, 2008 - 3:41 am 416. Cat:

I don’t think so… Not Catalano again. Did Pajamas Media give her a free month for her so called left sided opinion?

Nov 15, 2008 - 4:58 pm 417. Old Man Joe:

Affirmative action is all about getting a person of a given race into a place where the person is not qualified. This fits Obama to a tee. Makes you go, hmmm.

Nov 30, 2008 - 6:48 pm

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