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1. Don:

Typical left wing radicals. Always for free speech as long as it agrees with them. But when it don’t here comes the hateful behavior. If Barak gets in with a large majority in Congress look for the Fairness Doctrine to come back so they can try to shut down all speech on the right. What they can’t compete with they try to silence.

Aug 26, 2008 - 11:42 am 2. Michelle Malkin » Video: Mobbed at the Mint:

[...] for your afternoon Crazyland TV? Pajamas Media and Founding Bloggers put together a video of our adventure at the Denver Mint yesterday. [...]

Aug 26, 2008 - 11:43 am 3. Anthony (Los Angeles):

Michelle is not someone I’d want to take on in a confrontation.

Aug 26, 2008 - 11:53 am 4. malkin malarkey:

Malkin and her goons are liars, Alex never threatened Michelle, I was watching the live feed, a bunch of Recreate 68, her constituents as she puts it, were false flagging Alex.
If he had threatened her, even though she is for FEMA camps, I would supporting her and her 1st ammendment right, even if those words were those of the propagandi
-Michelle, grow some heart if you really want to put us in camps, speak out about it!
Tell the world how you want to send us all to FEMA camps, amazing! Free speech is just as free as silence and your silence speaks volumes!

Aug 26, 2008 - 11:57 am 5. Dark Helmet:

I’ve always been semi a fan of MM, but Thanks to this dumb ass and his retarded antics, I’m going to buy her book.

Aug 26, 2008 - 12:04 pm 6. “Peace, Love, Justice”– No, Wait! Kill! « The View from Alexandria:

[...] 26, 2008 by philo Stephen Green provides lighthearted coverage of protesters’ attempt to levitate the Denver Mint—until [...]

Aug 26, 2008 - 12:12 pm 7. goy:

- … Malkin and her goons are liars …

Which would be why she’s shouting down the lunatic(s), shoving people, preventing them from speaking with interviewers, and…

Oh, wait!

Aug 26, 2008 - 12:16 pm 8. Charlie (Colorado):

“Malarkey” is right. Poopsie, I don’t care who was shouting — although it was the “Recreate ‘68″ folks who were in front with me trying to protect Michelle; Mr Green Shirt may not have been one of Alex’s sycophants, but Alex and his mob were quite threatening enough.

Anthony, I hear you, but she’s still a tiny woman; Jones was pretty brave to confront her. With a mob of supporters. Until someone as much bigger than him as he is than Michelle got in the way.

Aug 26, 2008 - 12:17 pm 9. Update on the Michelle Malkin Shoutdown « Mountain Shout:

[...] PJM has the entire video.  Thank God, because I wouldn’t believe people could act with such animalistic fervor if I didn’t see it myself.  Why on earth would you conduct yourself in a manner you wouldn’t want your grandmother, or your kids to see?  I wonder if Alex honestly thinks that it was worth destroying his reputation with Americans who don’t listen to his fruity little show.  Michelle did a hell of a job keeping her cool.  [...]

Aug 26, 2008 - 12:25 pm 10. Macgawd:

Like so many others, Michelle Malkin gives Conservatism a bad name. Like Ann Coulter, her views are that of an extremist; her nutty opinions are largely indefensible, and seem solely devised to garner her publicity. I’m still scratching my head over her ridiculous claim that a paisley scarf worn by Rachel Ray looked just like a Muslim Keffiyeh. Why anyone takes this woman seriously is beyond me.

I doubt very much that her life was ever in danger–in fact, I wouldn’t doubt that she manufactured this whole incident.

Aug 26, 2008 - 12:26 pm 11. Mike:

If I was there and Alex Jones assaulted me that way, he would never do it again. The behavior of Jones and the other thugs is not acceptable. Besides, his accusations are not true no matter how loud he yells them. “Kill Michelle” is assault. This is an example of liberal fascism.

Aug 26, 2008 - 12:28 pm 12. Real hope is not in BHO:

Ah, once again the radical, lefties present their version of freedom of speach by attempting to drown out any opposition to their lunatic, radical, leftist, beliefs. Can you imagine if their savior, BHO gets into power how he will do away with any normal dialogue in this country…Be afraid…very afraid.

Aug 26, 2008 - 12:28 pm 13. newton:

The tape doesn’t lie.

Hopefully she had some form of self-defense along with the camera.

Aug 26, 2008 - 12:30 pm 14. deek:

The most dangerous place in the world to be is between Alex Jones’ videos and books and his ignorant minion’s wallets.

Aug 26, 2008 - 12:37 pm 15. mjk:

So the theme of MacGawd is that if someone disagrees with you politically, someone threatening to kill them is “Okey Dokey”?

Class-say

Aug 26, 2008 - 12:41 pm 16. JBiden:

In this video, it looks like battery @ 3:26. When the long haired dude reports it to the officer @ 4:56, Jones calls him a liar and then claims “you were in my face.” This is after pushing his way into Malkin’s face the whole time. Long haired dude should collect videos from multiple angles and sue the assclown for civil battery.

Aug 26, 2008 - 12:42 pm 17. mjk:

P.s. I’m pretty sure Malkin is smaller than I am. What a brave man, threatening to kill such a little thing! I would pay good money to see him try to pull that with Ehud Barak or someone who is huge and trained by Israeli commandos.

Aug 26, 2008 - 12:42 pm 18. JosephineMO7:

My God its like those Verizon commercials. Michelle Malkin has her very own network.

Aug 26, 2008 - 12:42 pm 19. mishu:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

FEMA camps in Iraq. What a moron. Does Jones even know FEMA is?

Aug 26, 2008 - 12:44 pm 20. Hankmeister:

So typical of left-wing moonbats like Macgawd to blame the victim (in this case, Michelle) … especially if they are conservatives. The way it works in their rat-like minds is this: Malkin is a right-wing hack, her rhetoric incites violence and is not protected by the First Amendment, therefore any verbal or physical intimidation which comes from her critics is understandable and defensible … blame Michelle.

Liberals are collectivist fascists just like the National Socialist party in 1933 Germany. The only thing lacking is their brownshirts now that they’ve found their messianic savior in Obamessiah. Anything which advances the cause of liberalism is completely justified and any action they may take with respect to conservative critics is justified. Only fellow liberals and minorities can be victims in their velvet gulag.

Aug 26, 2008 - 12:46 pm 21. Fuck Anarchy:

Excellent reporting. Seriously. I’ll look forward to more of this guy’s reporting.

Aug 26, 2008 - 12:47 pm 22. Boris:

All I see here is a bunch of attention…um, seekers..on both sides.

Aug 26, 2008 - 12:51 pm 23. Joel Rosenberg:

She’s got a lot of guts, and sense of self; that nutcase shouting, “Don’t let her leave!” as a backdrop to cries of “Kill Michelle Malkin!” was a pretty scary scene.

I hope she’s armed, but it’s not likely; more likely is that she has some local bodyguards.

Aug 26, 2008 - 12:53 pm 24. Mister Snitch!:

I’ve noticed that the left has, for some time, felt they could say anything about Michele Malkin that they liked, and it was always justified.

Malkin’s generally correct, but I’m not a big fan of the strident harshness of her columns. Not a way to go, and it’s partly why she gets singled out by the left. In fact, she often crosses the line of honesty.

In terms of this confrontation, BOTH of the men involved were provocative and aggressive. And Malkin knew full well she was walking into an incendiary situation here, and that doing so would get some attention. She lit a match in a tinderbox, and she knew it. Stick Cindy Sheehan into the middle of a Rush Limbaugh crowd and you’ll get pretty much the same thing. (In fact, I HAVE seen vids similar to this, but favoring the other side, on leftist sites.)

I’d ask PJ Media to be more honest about things like this, but sadly at this point I’ve learned that’s a waste of time. What matters is attention, readership, and notoriety. In other words, it’s just like the ‘mainstream’ media PJ endlessly derides.

Aug 26, 2008 - 12:55 pm 25. Buzz:

“malkin malarkey” – are you retarded? You think the recreate 68 wackos are Michelle’s “constituents”?

Aug 26, 2008 - 12:55 pm 26. bobby b:

“Like so many others, Michelle Malkin gives Conservatism a bad name.”

- – -

Only amongst those whose best shot at a good life is to be found in stealing it from others, poochie – where “bad” usually means “it’s sooo unjust that he wasn’t forced to support me and then shut up about it!”

MM very nicely articulates, on a national stage, many principles and beliefs and values that I and many, many others hold dear. As a conservative, and sometimes as a Republican, I’ll gladly accept whatever reputation inures to me as a result of Ms. Malkin’s work, and give her a little thank-you as I do.

Aug 26, 2008 - 12:57 pm 27. Lyn:

Biggest sign of the failure of the NeoCon fascists, is their total refusal to have ANYTHING of contrary opinion on their web blogs like this.

true mark of a intellectual coward and why the NeoCons time is up.

Aug 26, 2008 - 12:58 pm 28. ST333:

The Left is a gene cesspool. This is the collection of people who accept failure and applaud mediocrity. This is the “base” of the Defeatocrats. I’m glad these non bathers tout their 1st amendment rights. These are the very dimwits I want as many cameras and microphones in front of as possible. By all means, show the country the base of Dems and who’s agenda would be supported.

Aug 26, 2008 - 1:02 pm 29. Lyn:

hey censoring a**hole, not like to hear different opinions here?

Why bother with a blog if all you want to hear is NeoCon brown-nosing

Too much of a coward just like every NeoCon

Aug 26, 2008 - 1:02 pm 30. Hamm Berger:

Michelle Malkin is hot. That’s all anyone needs to know.

Aug 26, 2008 - 1:04 pm 31. Chalk Talk:

Isn’t it funny how liberals are always calling Republicans fascists, but only liberals are assaulting others in the streets because they don’t share their political views?

The mindless sheep (especially the tubby guy shouting nonsense) in that video only need a pair of lederhosen to fit in well in Germany in 1939.

Aug 26, 2008 - 1:04 pm 32. Ken Hall:

Michelle Malkin is a tin-hat conspiracy theorist that believed that there was a conspiracy to fake US soldiers throwing a live puppy off a cliff in Iraq, to turn people against the troops.

When thw REAL soldier was charged, she did not apologise or even admit that she was wrong.

She is as bad as the 9/11 pod people and those that think that a holographic plane hit the WTC towers.

Although she is entitled to her opinion in a free world, I would hate for her to be silenced for her beliefs, Unlike Michelle who hates freedom and gets wet thinking about liberals being locked up.

Aug 26, 2008 - 1:20 pm 33. Winston:

Put Alex Jones in camp. He is nuts

Aug 26, 2008 - 1:26 pm 34. bruce j knight:

Holy Scheisse! This Jones guy is KKKrazy, and custom-made for a behavioral study involving a psychotropic cocktail.

Aug 26, 2008 - 1:27 pm 35. ZEITGEIST:

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Aug 26, 2008 - 1:29 pm 36. Charlie (Colorado):

Boris, you weren’t there, and I was. Boy, was I there. (I’m the big guy with a crew cut and a black tee.) Have a look at my Day 2 coverage elsewhere on PJM. We’re still awaiting an official response on the police’s unwillingness to intervene.

Michelle was doing anything but trying to attract attention: she was there in jeans and a tee shirt, anonymously taking pictures with a snapshot camera. Until Jones started screaming at her, the only way she could have been more anonymous is by putting a bag over her head.

Lyn, there’s a delay between posting on here and the comment going up. This is why both of your comments are up now. Don’t you look silly?

Snitchi, I’d suspect you either didn’t watch the video or had a bag over your head: the only “confrontation” on our side was me standing between Jones and Michelle and smiling.

Aug 26, 2008 - 1:29 pm 37. theo669:

Well, Malkin does, in fact, want to put people in camps, and does in fact think torture is good, and is in fact a liar.

Outside of the person screaming “Kill Michelle Malkin”, the things yelled at Malkin were deserved.

Aug 26, 2008 - 1:30 pm 38. Jay:

“Stick Cindy Sheehan into the middle of a Rush Limbaugh crowd and you’ll get pretty much the same thing.”

No you wont. Cindy Sheehan has been in the middle (so to speak) of a “Rush Limbaugh” type crowd before, and has not gotten this result.

“In fact, I HAVE seen vids similar to this”

No you havent.

Aug 26, 2008 - 1:31 pm 39. “Kill Michelle Malkin!” — Dean’s World:

[...] Gah. [...]

Aug 26, 2008 - 1:36 pm 40. Lyn U Moron:

….four minutes between posts does not equal censorship. Take your left-wing socialist ideology and cram it. Lefties are what is ruining this country.

Aug 26, 2008 - 1:36 pm 41. Kill Michelle Malkin! She wants to put us in FEMA camps! « The Autopsy:

[...] Categories: Progressives Not my words, but it’s what some of the protesters in Denver started shouting when they found out she was there.  Nothing like a guy who’s about 150 lbs [...]

Aug 26, 2008 - 1:37 pm 42. Colin:

While I sympathize with Malkin being physically intimidated, this was wading into a nest of vipers, expecting rational discourse. I agree with some of the posters above – she was looking for a confrontation. Perhaps not as physical and dangerous as it turned out, but something to get upset about.

Aug 26, 2008 - 1:42 pm 43. DensityDuck:

No, you don’t understand, they’re just JOKING, see, it’s just a JOKE, don’t you understand JOKES, “why so serious” LOL, it’s just a JOKE! I can say horrible things to and about women but it’s okay because I’m JUST JOKING! I can threaten to beat people up but it’s okay because I’m JUST JOKING!

Aug 26, 2008 - 1:42 pm 44. PenguinSix:

Thugs of Peace

Aug 26, 2008 - 1:44 pm 45. jcd:

What a moron.

Aug 26, 2008 - 1:48 pm 46. William Briggs:

Nothing will make my day like some bloodthirsty “peace” protesters shouting Kill! Kill! Kill!

And Michelle Malkin is hot!

Aug 26, 2008 - 1:50 pm 47. theo669:

You can see the confrontation from other angles at the infowars web site. I’m not endorsing that web site in any way, but you can see this entire incident through a different camera over there, so it’s worth mentioning.

I don’t see anything wrong with a person exercising his freedom of speech to tell Malkin what he thinks of her. What, do some of you think no one’s allowed to shout at you after you’ve spent the last 8 years supporting internment camps and torture, after you’ve supported the constant lies that Malkin posts on her web site?

Aug 26, 2008 - 1:51 pm 48. theo669:

Oh, and Pajamas Media had to saw it was raw footage “more or less” because they did, in fact, make changes to the audio to try and make Malkin look like a victim. The infowars site has a better video of the incident.

Aug 26, 2008 - 1:53 pm 49. Brendan:

Am I the only one who only hears that one moron shouting “Kill Michele Malkin?” Can someone who was there clarify whether it was actually one person or the crowd chanting?

And if it was one person, perhaps PJM should change its description of the video.

That said, even if it was one person, this type of self-righteous rage and aggression only serves to alienate people on the fence. No one is ever convinced by a shouted argument. When Malkin looks like the level-headed one in a confrontation, you know someone has gone seriously off the deep end.

Aug 26, 2008 - 1:59 pm 50. b:

Mcgawd: “I wouldn’t doubt that she manufactured this whole incident.”

Which explains why you are a leftist.

Aug 26, 2008 - 2:00 pm 51. Hating Liberally « Blog Entry « Dr. Melissa Clouthier:

[...] conservative women, Michelle has been on the receiving end of hate–including death threats. Pajamas Media has the latest interaction where an anarchist screams, “Kill Michelle [...]

Aug 26, 2008 - 2:01 pm 52. Aureliano:

Stick Cindy Sheehan into the middle of a Rush Limbaugh crowd and you’ll get pretty much the same thing.

As Stephen Green noted early on, there was a turnout for the protest numbering ‘very nearly in the tens’. Somehow, I seriously doubt that a random sampling of 10 or 20 Rush Limbaugh listeners, even the more strident ones, would have incited violence, shoved people, shouted, and stalked Cindy Sheehan had she shown up to take a few pictures.

I’d call this moral equivalence in action, but that’s far too nuanced an evaluation.

It’s flat out stupidity, purely and simply.

Aug 26, 2008 - 2:01 pm 53. Brendan:

Oh, and as for the claim that this is “more or less raw footage,” since I know that PJM would never intentionally mislead its readers, I can only assume that the guy stopped to repeat himself a couple of times in a distorted, monster voice. What a weird thing to do.

Aug 26, 2008 - 2:02 pm 54. Ed Wallis:

Colin,

You’re right ONLY insofar as the slimy pack infesting the area WERE “vipers.”

But she was taking pictures, and doind so silently, at that. Period.

She was NOT holding a sign, “I’m Michelle Malkin and here to provoke your ignorant, violent and somewhat childish behavior towards me!” IN NO WAY can you or anyone fairly say she was “looking for a confrontation”…unless YOU, Colin, are the sort to rape women and tell them afterwards, “hey, sweetie, you were looking for it.”

Are you?

Aug 26, 2008 - 2:09 pm 55. jay:

“Colin: While I sympathize with Malkin being physically intimidated, this was wading into a nest of vipers, expecting rational discourse”

What we’re now vipers or how about some other animal. This is not deserved on either side. These freakin people now think healthy debate is the standard “shout down” and yes the left is way worse. Don’t believe me? Just try to give a speech from a conservative view (you where invited to give) at one of our fine institutes of higher learning.
If you don’t agree, attack and the more the other side makes sense attack harder. Or change the subject that’s another form of “shout down”
If people are protesting it still gives them no excuse for violence or threat of violence. Free speach does not give a person the right to say “KILL WHOEVER”.

Aug 26, 2008 - 2:12 pm 56. Dave:

theo669, shouting at someone is protected speech. Inciting a riot to kill someone is not, or don’t they teach that in public schools anymore?

Aug 26, 2008 - 2:13 pm 57. R. Pete:

Michelle is still hot- and cool under pressure. Stephen looks like he could use a drink.

Aug 26, 2008 - 2:17 pm 58. Balls Flotard:

Alex Jones did nothing to advance any “cause” his feeble, imbalanced, delusional mind may harbor. He just came off like a total ass. Michelle Malkin rocks and has a spine of steel. Score (yet another) one for clear thinking, rational conservatives. By the way, I’ve never even HEARD of Alex Jones before this video and will just as quickly forget him. What a joke.

Aug 26, 2008 - 2:19 pm 59. العاب شمس الدين:

This is an excellent post . Thanks a lot . I am grateful to you .

Aug 26, 2008 - 2:24 pm 60. Mark Poling:

“Stick Cindy Sheehan into the middle of a Rush Limbaugh crowd and you’ll get pretty much the same thing.”

Whenever I see a claim like this I ask myself “why no links?”

It’s the internet, dude. Link up or shut up. (And in the interest of practicing what I preach I ran this search at Google. Seems like Cindy is much more likely to threaten than to be threatened. Heh.)

Aug 26, 2008 - 2:26 pm 61. Bernard Chapin:

Fema camps in Iraq, lol. Another typically mentally ill leftist foisting his mental problems on the rest of us. You know what a “fascist” is? That guy.

Aug 26, 2008 - 2:28 pm 62. Colin:

Ed Wallis

If she was silently taking pictures, then what occurred was obviously completely in the wrong. I’ve read other accounts that seem to indicate that the ‘Kill Malkin’ commentary was a rabble-rouser attempting to flame both sides of the crowd. Obnoxious and disgusting behavior, but also predictable. We all know these types, and get predictably OUTRAGED, but who didn’t see this kind of thing coming a mile away? Perhaps I’m too cynical, but sending a firebrand commentator into a radical protest group was and is bound to cause a commotion. These people are not known for their restraint, self control, or rationality.

As for the insinuated rape bit? That’s real classy.

Aug 26, 2008 - 2:40 pm 63. Donna:

Lyn: I see both of your idiotic comments are up.

Unlike Daily Kos and HuffPo, dissenting views are permitted here.

In fact, I’m glad to see them. They remind me of why I am no longer a liberal.

Aug 26, 2008 - 2:44 pm 64. Charlie (Colorado):

Michelle is still hot- and cool under pressure. Stephen looks like he could use a drink.

After that we all needed a drink. Hell, I’m teetotal, and I had a drink.

Colin, Michelle was quietly taking photos of a fairly quiet demonstration until Jones spotted her and started yelling. Unless you’re suggesting that Michelle is inciting confrontation merely by being on a public street, you’re out of line.

By the way, I want to emphasize again that the “Recreate ‘68″ folks were not involved in the confrontation, and in fact were trying to protect Michelle as well.

Am I the only one who only hears that one moron shouting “Kill Michele Malkin?” Can someone who was there clarify whether it was actually one person or the crowd chanting?

Honestly, I was pretty tightly focused on possible physical threats; I didn’t remember anything much anyone said until later. But I’m pretty certain there were at least two of them; also, it’s really clear that Jones was screaming “don’t let her leave”, which, in the context of a mob like that, it quite enough of a threat in itself.

Personally, if I were Jones, I’d try to get over the state line.

Aug 26, 2008 - 2:46 pm 65. Tracy:

Michelle Malkin is a Neo-Con mouthpiece and got what she deserved!

I am not saying I would go yell in someone’s face, but Alex Jones felt strongly enough about it to do it. She has to be able to defend herself for her America-hating views! (internment camps were a good idea? I love it when someone of color says that!!)

People like M.M. only want a one way exchange, from them to you. No questions or rebuttals, well she had to run away because she cannot deal with the consequences of her actions (what she states on her mouthpiece blog!)!

This will probably not make this regulated right-wing blog anyway … but we will see!

Aug 26, 2008 - 2:46 pm 66. Alex Jones Tries To Incite Violence « Dj Konservo:

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Aug 26, 2008 - 2:49 pm 67. Stephen Burgoyne Coulson:

How come only Michelle Malkin is supposed to have free speech? It’s good to hear opposing voices. It would be refreshing to hear them on main stream TV as well where they wouldn’t have to create a spectacle to get heard, but I doubt we’ll ever see any real debate on the main stream media. The right have that avenue sewn up pretty good with only token “safe” “liberals” on from time to time.

But really, why should Malkin be allowed to attack the left without criticism but (as are other right wing attack columnists) but when similar attacks are made against them it’s sooo shocking!? Grow a thicker skin you pansies.

Aug 26, 2008 - 2:49 pm 68. Tom:

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Aug 26, 2008 - 2:49 pm 69. Tracy:

Jesus was a leftist, so you right wingers better stop going to church!! You may explode from your hypocrisy!!

Michelle Malkin wants torture, but she couldn’t just deal with someone in her face at a demonstration? As usual right wing liars need to hide behind bodyguards and thugs.

Aug 26, 2008 - 2:50 pm 70. Mark Poling:

Ah, my link to the Google search “cindy sheehan threatened” didn’t work. Guess I have to post the raw link:

http://www.google.com/search?q=cindy+sheehan+threatened

Aug 26, 2008 - 3:03 pm 71. Brendan:

Charlie, thanks for your response. Even if it was two people, I definitely got the impression of a mob of people chanting “kill” together from the headline.

I agree with you, though, that trying to prevent her from leaving was quite inappropriate and threatening. I don’t think PJM needs to sensationalize this at all to make the crowd look like idiots.

Aug 26, 2008 - 3:08 pm 72. Charlie (Colorado):

Jesus was a leftist, so you right wingers better stop going to church!! You may explode from your hypocrisy!!

Tracy, honey, I’m a Buddhist. Now, go sit in the “I’m a dunce” corner with Lyn.

If she was silently taking pictures, then what occurred was obviously completely in the wrong.

Good, then we agree.

Aug 26, 2008 - 3:13 pm 73. jdkchem:

Stephen, making threats and bigoted commentary is not criticism or debate. Before you go calling anyone a pansy perhaps you should learn that difference.

Then again only a coward would equate threats and bigoted commentary with criticism and debate. Only a coward, Tracy, would claim that threats are deserved because someone does not blindly follow your ideology.

For the rest of the idiots, she was at the Denver Mint which happens to be one of those places tourists go. Saying she should stay indoors is ignorant.

Aug 26, 2008 - 3:18 pm 74. Belmont Club » Shameful honor or honorable shame?:

[...] this interesting video featuring Michelle Malkin in Denver. What would do you think some will call it? “Indignation” is my guess. Tip Jar. Read [...]

Aug 26, 2008 - 3:21 pm 75. jdkchem:

Tracy, The only one lying is you.

Aug 26, 2008 - 3:22 pm 76. Mary Jackson:

I haven’t read Michelle Malkin’s book, but whatever it says, you don’t protest by yelling in someone’s face.

She handled it pretty well. If she’d been a left-winger, all the bleeding hearts would be bleating on about how sexist and racist Alex was. But it’s OK to behave like that if someone’s a conservative?

Aug 26, 2008 - 3:27 pm 77. Ed Wallis:

“Tracy” (love your “Through The Looking Glass” thinking, fool…try actually reading her books instead of repeating protesters’ blather)

“Tom” (I think Alex said enough to show his stupidity…and, by the way, I thought “becoming rich” was a mortal sin to Leftists, kiddo)

“Stephen Burgoyne Coulson” (love your “Through The Looking Glass” thinking too, fool…when was the last time you got a thrill up your media leg?)

“Colin” (thanks for the reasonable remark about “if MM was there just taking pictures” but I guess I can’t expect you to understand ANALOGY…try thinking exercises)

ALL ABOVE: please feel as free as you wish to show all here your mindlessness and hatred. We just LOVE IT…pass ’round the popcorn! The only thing missing outside in Denver were the chants of “Kumbaya” while screaming. Impressive! BWAHAHAHAHA!!!

All the while, The Obamboozler tries to muzzle the airing of an ad about him and domestic terrorist Ayers. “TOLERANCE!” Horsehockey! Same old Chicago tricks, with a big dose of Socialism. When will you fools ever learn? “The answer, my friends, ain’t blowin’ in the wind, the answer ain’t blowin’ in the wind.”

Aug 26, 2008 - 3:29 pm 78. Charlie (Colorado):

Brendan, it’s always good to get reasonable comments.

Aug 26, 2008 - 3:31 pm 79. Xdpaul:

Wow. I’ve been a huge fan of Pajamas Media since the start.

This is, by far, the most compelling news it has ever reported.

Outstanding. Excellent work Mr. Green, Ms. Malkin, and crew. That was the spirit of John Adams in action.

Aug 26, 2008 - 3:34 pm 80. fred:

“Michelle Malkin is a Neo-Con mouthpiece and got what she deserved!” posted by “Tracy”

Your ludicrous and stupid comment was not taken down. But, I’ve known fellow conservatives who have posted at Huffington and DailyKos – using fair argument and fact, not invective – and they were mocked with their comments being deleted.

It’s the Leftists who are the intolerant ones.

What was done to Michelle Malkin today was low-class thuggery. It was harassment and, if my lawyer friends are right, it could have been construed as assault.

As a former Leftist, what I have been seeing in recent years makes me glad I left the Left. I’ve burned my bridges and made the correct decision. There is no going back. I’m in the New World and it has been liberating.

Aug 26, 2008 - 3:36 pm 81. Tolerance Hypocrisy « Tai-Chi Policy:

[...] to finding out one of their members is a Republican. Another recent response might be the people calling for the death of Michelle Malkin because they claim she speaks hateful things. [...]

Aug 26, 2008 - 3:36 pm 82. Alex Jones:

You guys have a very liberal view on what an attack is.

Aug 26, 2008 - 3:36 pm 83. KathyD:

God Bless her. She kept her cool among the yelling and lies. I sat here and laughed at the left-wing fascist idiots! Who is this Jones? He’s loopy! (So are the rest of the low-life’s ‘protesting’ there!) Really emphasizes the difference between conservatives and the loony left! They accuse US of hate speech! What hypocrisy! LOL!!

Aug 26, 2008 - 3:37 pm 84. David P:

The scariest thing we face as a nation are not the staunch party zealots, whose ideals are rigid and predictable, but the vulnerable fence sitters whose lack of principal gambles with our countries future.

Aug 26, 2008 - 3:37 pm 85. misanthropicus:

Left-wing/liberalism is not a matter of convictions or beliefs aquired from experience, reading etc. – it’s a mental affliction.

Aug 26, 2008 - 3:38 pm 86. misanthropicus:

Expect more – heard that Ward Churchill is there, too.

Aug 26, 2008 - 3:40 pm 87. Mekan:

MM is a brave woman. May God bless and protect you.

What is scary is that those people have the right to vote.

Next time the police are moved to inaction you simply tell them that you were threatened and willing to defend yourself and your personal space. Then you have a guy like myself or Uncle Jimbo clear a circle for ya.

Aug 26, 2008 - 3:42 pm 88. Ed Wallis:

To people like the screamers in Denver (and here…) “free speech” only comes from the left, and anyone who disagrees with that “free speech” needs to be persecuted and/or prosecuted to the fullest extent of the abuse of law.

Aug 26, 2008 - 3:46 pm 89. Macabre:

It’s amazing to see how braiwashed Americans truly are. The sheep continue to buy into the phony ‘left vs right’ illusion when in reality Washington is controlled by the elite. They decide what wars we fight, who gets ‘elected’, how the economy runs, how much we pay for food and gas, and so on. Jesus was right when he said that in the last days men would no longer be lovers of the truth but instead would love lies and perish as a result. Any of you who support either one of these candidates is already spiritually dead. May Yahweh have no mercy on you for your ignorance.

10pm est Live free or Die radio
http://www.republicbroadcasting.org/index.php?cmd=listenlive

Aug 26, 2008 - 3:55 pm 90. Rob B:

Alex Jones demonstrates the “nuance” that is so, so typical of the left. What a pathetic piece of human debris.

Aug 26, 2008 - 3:58 pm 91. rvastar:

Today’s new Lefty-Word-Twist-That’s-Supposed-To-Be-Impressive-Or-Something is…say it with me everyone…

“INTERNMENT CAMPS”

Yay!!!

Aug 26, 2008 - 4:03 pm 92. Charlie (Colorado):

Over the state line yet, Alex? I think the Denver PD may be looking for you. You might want to look into Denver’s “menacing” ordinance.

Aug 26, 2008 - 4:03 pm 93. Charlie (Colorado):

Oh, Brendan, come to think of it, the text above doesn’t associate the “Kill Michelle” people with Jones. I just realized that. At least, from the little I know, I don’t think Jones is an anarchist.

A capon, perhaps.

Aug 26, 2008 - 4:05 pm 94. misterpundit:

To be fair to the protesters, it looked like most of them declined to join Alex Jones in throwing immature temper tantrums, and imploring people to kill Michelle Malkin. What a monumental asshat that idiot is!

And what a fantastic job Stephen Green did with this piece – funny and professional. Loved it!

Aug 26, 2008 - 4:23 pm 95. Pelayo:

I first heard Alex “Prison Planet” Jones while tuning through shortwave radio in 2003. He has been trying to sell that same used car since then; he was even spouting “FEMA Camps.” Now, he is just a broken record. There is not one damn thing that he was screaming about then that has some to pass. In 2003 he actually stated that the CIA was going to release sarin gas on our troops to justify the invasion of Iraq. He also was claiming that the Bush Administration was all set to start confiscating firearms. George Bush is the best friend a gun owner ever had in the White House in a long time. If Jones believes what he says, he is an idiot. If he does not believe what he says, he is a criminal.

Aug 26, 2008 - 4:24 pm 96. Jo:

Michelle should take those videos to court and get a restraining order against that loud-mouth, abusive, psychopath attempting to egg the crowd into killing her. If he ever gets within a hundred feet of her, he’ll have his big butt thrown in jail. Then she should sue the Denver’s Police Department for not arresting those clearly making loud terroristic threats to kill her.

Aug 26, 2008 - 4:31 pm 97. Frank:

The Left wing has become unhinged. I pray to God (Yeah, that’s right… GOD!) that these lunatics NEVER hold power again. They have begun to act as mad dogs, and for what?… tolerance?

Aug 26, 2008 - 4:33 pm 98. Banafsheh:

This imbalanced bully was in NY on 9/11/06 screaming at the families of the victims of the twin towers, telling them that they were all Nazis. He has also supported the Mullahs in Iran time and time again. He should be put in a straitjacket, locked up in a padded cell and forgotten. The fact that we live in a world where sick and cruel individuals like this get a radio show in order to further abuse those who have been injured is not my idea of democracy but an idiocracy

Aug 26, 2008 - 4:36 pm 99. The Ayers Ad Obama Doesn’t Want You To See:

[...] “Will they come after bloggers next?” Unfortunately, it appears the answer is YES: self-described “anarchists” at the DNC are calling for Malkin’s death as I type [...]

Aug 26, 2008 - 4:38 pm 100. Charlie (Colorado):

If Jones believes what he says, he is an idiot. If he does not believe what he says, he is a criminal.

Do we have to choose? Why not both?

Aug 26, 2008 - 4:38 pm 101. Dhael:

I’ll give the protestors credit, many of them jumped in the way of Jones to keep him away from Malkin and the guy on the bullhorn was actually attacking Jones, calling him an ‘agent provocateur’ and generally doing his best to discredit him as the nut he is. So bully for them. They actually made themselves look good in this video.

Aug 26, 2008 - 4:41 pm 102. pappy:

i see now why the dips are having their convention in denver, they legalized pot for the week to take attention away from themselves. fools like jones and wang lurchville and other products of higher indoctrination do what they can to show the world what douchbags they are outside. b-ho and jo-blo and others do their damnest inside. commie fishcrap, i mean bass-turds.

Aug 26, 2008 - 4:45 pm 103. wlpeak:

Please do not slander the left with Alex Jones. He is a Truther before there were thruthers. Not to imply he is a libertarian either, rather Alex is a Jonesian.

He ran his Bohemian Grove, Black helicopter, Bill Clinton will never give up his office crap back in the day and he didn’t miss a stride when the Republicans came in.

He is supposedly from Dallas but his scummy manners belie that.

Aug 26, 2008 - 4:47 pm 104. pdiddy:

Alex Jones is NOT a left winger. I’ve been listening to him for years on shortwave radio. He IS a radical but he is a right-wing, libertarian radical. He supports Ron Paul.

Aug 26, 2008 - 4:47 pm 105. Mr. Pibb:

What a man. They are chanting “Kill Michelle Malkin” and he wants people to grab her so she can’t leave. This isn’t just some normal protester either. He owns and operates his own conspiracy site, has a radio show and is on other radio shows like Coast to Coast AM. What he did here was totally unprofessional. He owes her an apology.

Aug 26, 2008 - 4:48 pm 106. Ricko:

I was gonna call those thugs asses. But I don’t like to insult livestock.

Aug 26, 2008 - 4:52 pm 107. wlpeak:

pdiddy,

He’s no rightwinger either and certainly not a libertarian.

Aug 26, 2008 - 4:53 pm 108. Jeffrho:

What the hell is a FEMA camp?? Is that the same type of camp that the liberal icon, FDR (D-NY), put Japanese-Americans in?

Aug 26, 2008 - 4:53 pm 109. Boris:

“We’re still awaiting an official response on the police’s unwillingness to intervene.”

Intervene in what exactly? I did see Jones shove somebody that was in his face. More shoving goes on in my daughter’s basketball games. Not that that excuses him, but going and telling a police officer “that guy shoved me” is kind of an underwhelming complaint. But if he has damages, then by all means sue.

As for Jones, yes he’s an extremist nutjob. As such, he does nothing really surprising at all.

PS: You didn’t have to time to edit the video, but you did have time to give Jones the devil voice . Hey, I liked the touch actually.

Aug 26, 2008 - 4:58 pm 110. unknown:

So the guy yelling ‘Kill Michelle Malkin’ is that goofball in the green shirt who just happened to be there when Alex caught sight of Michelle. As seen in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJPHyKEQP94 he randomly poses with Alex for a photo whilst Alex tries to confront Michelle.

BIG CONSPIRACY FOLKS

SHE WAS IN REAL DANGER

Aug 26, 2008 - 5:11 pm 111. Charlie (Colorado):

Dhael, you’re absolutely correct, the leftists were not the ones threatening Michelle. They were among the ones trying to calm things.

Aug 26, 2008 - 5:13 pm 112. Pfhreak:

Uh… Alex Jones is a radical paleoconservative, not a libertarian or leftist.

Get your political factions right, people.

Aug 26, 2008 - 5:19 pm 113. Pierre Legrand:

Just linked to this…
http://pierrelegrand.net/2008/08/26/one-of-these-days-the-left-is-going-to-get-the-fight-it-keeps-asking-for.htm

And the old saw of being careful what you ask for will never be more evident. After all it is the right side of the aisle that loves guns and fighting. We haven’t risen up and crushed them yet because one it is against the law and two we look at them as harmless cranks.

This video may be entered into evidence against both of those reasons.

One the law does not seem to be protecting us anymore. Two the left is rapidly becoming dangerous. Watch as Michelle Malkin is viciously attacked by the left. I can only say that if I were attacked in such a manner that I would be in fear of my life and might start to believe that it was time to take appropriate action.

Aug 26, 2008 - 5:23 pm 114. wretchard:

FEMA is the Federal Emergency Management Administration. I guess Jones is thinking that if a full scale war breaks out there might be plans to round up persons of a certain profile. As a practical matter, the more overmatch a democracy has, the more democratic it can stay.

But if a series of nuclear blasts, for example, ravaged the US and civil order broke down, it would be every man for himself. And a lot of guys who look like a stereotype will find themselves fleeing the end of a rope in a situation where chaos, blind grief, fear and panic reign. That’s not good of course. But that’s what will happen. Desperation is ugly. That why the policy of “empowering the enemy” in practice means means setting the stage for a mess.

Aug 26, 2008 - 5:30 pm 115. Curious:

So about that mint thing… not sure which is worse – attempting to levitate it or advertising an attempt to levitate it.

Aug 26, 2008 - 5:36 pm 116. GW Crawford:

Michelle Malkin is a race and gender traitor

She is a non-white woman who insists on following her own views and not being a victim!

How low can you go?

Aug 26, 2008 - 5:43 pm 117. Charlie (Colorado):

Intervene in what exactly?

In a mob of people surounding, abusing, threatening, and then attempting to prevent a 95 pound woman from leaving. Boris, you might want to look up “felony menacing.” At least in Colorado, Jones and the green shirt guy could be seeing 3-to-5.

Aug 26, 2008 - 5:44 pm 118. Charlie (Colorado):

Oh, and Boris, the “devil voice” is a cutting artifact. Listen carefully … it’s just slowed audio. Only a moron would take that as “devil voice”.

Aug 26, 2008 - 5:46 pm 119. Mike Boyce:

Michelle, your calmness and coolness under “fire” is great. My compliments in not being dragged down into a typical left-wing shouting diatribe replete with their usual slogans and chants. It is always an amazing fact that the peaceful left are the first ones to resort to their own attempted terror tactics to try and frighten people. I’m sure Mr. Physical Fitness hmself is still on a respirator after his having to run after you while exercising his lung capacity to the fullest to try for his 15 minutes of fame. He’s a sputtering fool at a foolish gathering. But, I guess he has his right to exercise his free speech, and far be it from you to stand in his way. Michelle, you have courage and commitment and you are honest with yourself, which speaks volumes. Your silence does speak volumes, but not as Malkin Malarky means. Your silence (actually you weren’t silent you were simply speaking in normal tones) simply indicated your willingness to let Mr. Physical Fitness to rant and rave so he could continue to maintain his self esteem, which to the left counts for more than responsibility and accountability. Come to think of it, I think I’ve seen his face on a milk carton.

Aug 26, 2008 - 5:52 pm 120. Mick B:

You right-wing tossers are really grasping at straws with this one, aren’t you.

Aug 26, 2008 - 5:56 pm 121. Ken:

A recommendation for conservatives living in the Denver area:

I believe CO has fairly liberal (in the correct sense of the word) concealed carry laws. If you were to tell one of these freaks that you were a Republican, he would probably try to threaten you…

At which point you could defend yourself, leaving him on the ground dying with blood bubbling out of his mouth.

Aug 26, 2008 - 5:56 pm 122. Steve:

How is it that Michael Reagan can call for murder on national radio, yet when someone calls for the death of a midget Neo-con everyone cries like little babies?

Aug 26, 2008 - 6:19 pm 123. mwl:

I’m glad to see that Michelle got out safely. I never realized before how tiny she is. She’s got far bigger brass balls (ovaries?) than Alex Jones could even dream of having.

Aug 26, 2008 - 6:24 pm 124. TBT:

The green shirt boy is MOSSAD.

Aug 26, 2008 - 6:25 pm 125. Ed Wallis:

GW Crawford: “Michelle Malkin is a race and gender traitor. She is a non-white woman who insists on following her own views and not being a victim! How low can you go?” – Aug 26, 2008 – 5:43 pm

BIGOTRY ON PARADE TO THE LEFT!!!

Only, GEE, you Leftist loon, can’tcha get yer GOOD TRAITOR versus BAD TRAITOR straight?!?!

I mean, isn’t it a Leftist GOOD THANG to be a RACE TRAITOR if you’re “white”?!

Golly gee…yous guys gotta get the rest of us a Obama/Marx DECODER RING for how we’s all gots ta THINK in da future, dude!

/sarc

What mental refuse. Disgusting.

Aug 26, 2008 - 6:30 pm 126. Will Malven:

Back in the 60’s we used to joke that the peaceniks were all about demanding peace, and they’d kill you if you didn’t agree with them. We see the same thing today…mostly from the same people, hippies that never matured…or from their kids who want to be like their moronic parents and think that the protests of the 60’s were somehow “cool.”

Conservatives are never allowed to comment one dailykos, democratunderground, or huffington post because Liberals believe that “free speech” is a one way street.

Michelle knew that when she went there and thus probably should have been expecting this display of “compassion” from the most racist and uncompassionate people in America, Liberal crybabies. That being said, what Alex (the Tin Hat) Jones did was despicable. I fear that had I been present, I would not have been able to keep from decking him.

Charlie (Colorado) I bow to your superior self-control and wisdom. The path you and Michelle chose was the wiser path than my desire to pummel the cretin.

Alex Jones is a “truther.” One doesn’t have to say anything more than that. He wears a tin-hat. The most disturbing thing in the video is that the Denver Police refused to arrest him for criminal assault, of which his guilt is clearly evident.

Every time I see a video like this, it renews my gratitude to God that he gave me a sufficiently powerful intellect to see the absurdity of Liberal ideology.

Aug 26, 2008 - 6:36 pm 127. Ed:

An anarchist in a Ralph Lauren T shirt?

Aug 26, 2008 - 6:41 pm 128. fred:

No person who is ethical, is emotionally an adult, and intelligent is going to go up to someone who they barely know, on the street, and start haranguing that person without letup. People like that guy should be checked into a padded room and given some medication to keep him calm.

Aug 26, 2008 - 6:44 pm 129. Charlie (Colorado):

Uh, Ed, I’ll grant it’s a little subtle, but I think that was meant as sarcasm.

TBT, I’d met and worked with Mossad guys. He may have been a moss head, but he was not mossad.

Aug 26, 2008 - 6:45 pm 130. theo669:

First of all, Pajamas Media, Power Line, and other neocon web sites need to stop misrepresenting their own video. Only one unidentified person in this crowd screamed “Kill Michelle Malkin.”

Second of all, Pajamas Media distorted their video (despite presenting it as “more or less a raw feed”) by adding special effects to the audio.

Thirdly, if you watch the same incident on the video posted on Infowars.com, the only person physically assaulted was Alex Jones. Multiple times he had to tell a person to get his hands off him.

Fourth, I don’t know anything about Alex Jones, his past, his views. I’m just going by this incident. An American citizen is confronting Malkin about her support of interment camps (fact), her support of torture (fact), and her lies about the puppy incident in Iraq (she did, in fact, lie). That’s all he did. He voiced, loudly, his condemnation of her on these three grounds. She had no response to any of it. This is probably because someone who supports putting American citizens into interment camps, supports torture, and regularly lies about things on her blog and fails to respond when her lies are exposed, is really someone it is difficult to even consider a true American, and instead should be considered a piece of anti-American and evil filth of the lowest order.

Why is it wrong to tell an evil person to her face that she is evil?

Someone said malkin’s confronter was “inciting a riot.” Rubbish. All he did was walk around yelling the truth about Malkin. At no point did he call for violence. At no point did he engage in violence. It is arguable that the one lone individual who yelled “Kill Michelle Malkin” should have been arrested. Who was that person? Not Alex Jones.

Finally, the glee with which Pajamas Media and Malkin are trying to distort and use this video for their own aims shows the lie that anyone felt Alex Jones was “inciting a riot” and purposefully trying to incite imminent harm to Malkin.

In conclusion, the people who have spent the last several years telling lies (Malkin’s lies about the puppy is just one small example), promoting torture, and advocating placing American citizens into internment camps, ought toi understand that when you do these things a lot of people will hate you for it, and rightfully so. And when they verablly confront you on the street, you’re getting what you deserve. Malkin should be yelled at in this manner everywhere she goes for the rest of her life, unless she renounces the evil she has promoted.

Aug 26, 2008 - 6:46 pm 131. Buck Smith:

Did Steve Green call Michelle Malkin a “Hot Heiress?” I had no idea she was expecting a substantial inheritance. How fortunate for her!

Aug 26, 2008 - 6:54 pm 132. bavalova:

Did he call her fat? lol

Aug 26, 2008 - 6:55 pm 133. Mike Boyce:

Okay. I was grasping at straws. That’s all there was. A man outweighing Ms. Malkin 3 lbs to 1 attempted to save a non-event through bluster and bravado and Ms. Malkin reacted calmly and maturly, by not reacting. He would have been much better off, with all those microphones around, to calmly state his position regarding Ms. Malkin’s writings and opinions. He might have come off as at least thoughtful and worth listening to. Instead he became a bully and a spectacle. Ms. Malkin spoke with some folks and used calm speech while doing so. I heard a saying years ago of “BS baffles brains.” I don’t subscribe to that theory and in part because of what this video clearly depicts. BS baffles nobody, especially brains as in out of control demonstrtor vs Michelle Malkin. This was a minor scuffle at a less than minor event but it does point up some differences in approach between rational thought and actions vs lack of self control. It was a demonstration, but of what? How to make a fool of oneself for all of blog-America to witness? Ms. Malkin wins on a TKO. And she wasn’t even trying.

Aug 26, 2008 - 7:00 pm 134. Pierre Legrand:

In conclusion, the people who have spent the last several years telling lies (Malkin’s lies about the puppy is just one small example), promoting torture, and advocating placing American citizens into internment camps, ought toi understand that when you do these things a lot of people will hate you for it, and rightfully so. And when they verablly confront you on the street, you’re getting what you deserve. Malkin should be yelled at in this manner everywhere she goes for the rest of her life, unless she renounces the evil she has promoted.

When the day comes that one of you folks verbally confronts me in such a manner it won’t be a day they remember fondly. Thats if they can remember anything other than what time Captain Kangeroo comes on.

Aug 26, 2008 - 7:04 pm 135. Jacob:

Hey M Malkin is just a social poser. She has no Idea what a true conservative is. Second you called Alex Jones an Anarchist. Alex Jones calls himself a conservative. A True Conservative. You guys all need to get your information straight before you publish it. Because if you don’t your just a another Liar!
People Smarten UP. Stop Letting Big Media Tell you what a Republic Is. It is My right as Republican to shape this party. Don’t let fox news do it for you. Have some creativity and some brains yourself.

Aug 26, 2008 - 7:10 pm 136. John Moore:

What’s all the fuss about?

As far as I can tell, what we have here is a publicity stunt by Alex Jones. Yah gotta give him credit – he shows up at a demonstration where there are far more press than demonstrators, and starts yelling. Naturally, he becomes the center of attention.

There was really no drama here – just one guy (and maybe another fool or two) – out to make his bucks.

Michelle herself said it when she talked about him wanting his 15 minutes of fame.

I like her better when she’s not chewing gum

Aug 26, 2008 - 7:17 pm 137. WOW, Take a Look America at What is going Outside the DNC … Michelle Malkin Attacked by Moonbats … “Kill Michelle Malkin” | Scared Monkeys:

[...] Pajama Media: Live from DNC: Malkin in Jeopardy [...]

Aug 26, 2008 - 7:24 pm 138. theo669:

Pierre: When the day comes that one of you folks verbally confronts me in such a manner it won’t be a day they remember fondly. Thats if they can remember anything other than what time Captain Kangeroo comes on.

Sorry, who are you? Michelle Malkin is someone who wrote an entire book in support of interment camps for American citizens. Michelle Malkin is a prominent neocon blogger who and FOX News TV host who advocates that the U.S. government torture people. Michelle Malkin is a proven liar, as in the puppy incident Alex Jones brought up.

Pierre, you’re a nobody who has been brainwashed by people like Malkin. No one’s gonna confront you. You’re a victim.

And I noticed that nowhere in your post did you condemn Malkin’s advocacy of intermment camps for U.S. citizens, her full support of torture, and her lies. I guess all that’s perfectly okay to you.

Aug 26, 2008 - 7:28 pm 139. Save the GOP » Blog Archive » Kill Michelle Malkin? Really?:

[...] killing Michelle Malkin sounds a tad extreme to you then we are probably on the same page when it comes to each [...]

Aug 26, 2008 - 7:33 pm 140. Joeblow:

It speaks volumes about how warped some peoples finds are that they think it’s ok for Malkin can promote torture, murder, spying on Americans, and illegal and unnecessary wars, and yet act offended when a crowd dares to stand up to her. Some of you people need serious mental help because Malkin is just as evil as Clinton and the left wingers. Hypocrites.

Aug 26, 2008 - 7:47 pm 141. iconoclast:

Ok, “one”. MM has brainwashed all of us using just just words to think that the internment of the Japanese was justified and waterboarding is not torture. (Amazing, that ability). Which means that instead of actually similarly confronting someone like Pierre or me, who will make you rue the day you opened what is left of your mouth, you think that this gives pond scum like AJ and yourself a pass to threaten MM with a mob.

It doesn’t. And I suspect next time your hero will get the jail time he so deserves. Or time at a mental health facility, which he so badly needs (maybe that is the camps he is talking about?).

So crawl back under the rock along with your disgusting hero(ine) Alex.

Aug 26, 2008 - 7:57 pm 142. Charlie (Colorado):

There was really no drama here – just one guy (and maybe another fool or two) – out to make his bucks.

Well, it was rather more than one guy and another fool or two. I’d guess (things were a little busy at the time) that it was maybe a dozen or so. It is obvious however that Jones was spoilin’ for a fight — he had his video crew with him. One of them got some lovely footage of my beard. (Hint: “in your face video” doesn’t mean quite that tight.)

Theo, you’re right, Jones was screaming “keep your hands of me.” The first time was right after he shoulder slammed me from behind. Another was after he delivered an elbow to my kidney. If he feels he was assaulted, he’s welcome to swear out a warrant — if he’s still in the state. I suspect he may have looked up “felony menacing” by now. Denver PD already has access to the video.

On the business about the audio, I refer you to my explanation to Boris. And my characterization of a person who would be fooled into thinking it was a “devil voice.”

Aug 26, 2008 - 7:59 pm 143. CFM:

Theo669, there are a lot of words in your post which obviously don’t mean what you think they mean. You should go play with the other mouth-foamers at Daily Kos. They’ll like you, really! And they won’t be so mean to you by using big words you don’t understand. Best of all, they’ll protect you from the scary Neo-cons – they’ll even shine a light under the bed so you don’t have to be scared of 90-pound women! Cool, eh? Run along now.

Aug 26, 2008 - 8:12 pm 144. Dave:

theo699: I like Michelle Malkin.
I do not like you.
There is nothing you can do about me.
Remember that.

Aug 26, 2008 - 8:17 pm 145. John Moore:

Charlie

Are you in the video? Love to see…

How many of those dozen were doing anything active? It looked like there were only about a dozen protestors total, and surely most of them were too spaced out or into the peace and love bit (and we could hear them singing) to really get serious. On the other hand, the media people were pretty aggressive. Of course, I only have one camera viewpoint.

It reminds me of a demonstration I wandered through at Bush’s inauguration… a bunch of folks how to have fun and sorta say sorta sumpn, and a small number of in-your-face types, one of whom got a lot more than he bargained for from a Vietnam vet he insulted (never smart to do that, especially when the vet is a biker).

On the other hand, this comment section seems to have attracted some real moonbats. People who equate the loud and vigorous harassment of Michelle (who was only taking pictures) with her quietly writing a book and talking about it. They don’t seem to understand the difference between expressing a viewpoint (and allowing others to) and shouting down and threatening someone they disagree with – just because that person is present.

Leftists are fascist. Always have been, still are. Nothing has changed. And the funny thing is, they will never realize that. They worry about imagined horrors the government has inflicted (”The NSA listened to me order pizza today, the fascists! Freedom is dead) while letting pass all manner of real atrocities.

Aug 26, 2008 - 8:20 pm 146. Mike Milkin:

Goodness. Might I suggest that, as bold advocates of torture and preemptive warfare, you Malkin fans are a bit thin-skinned?

I watched the video and saw some people, dangerously armed with video cameras, pursuing and verbally confronting a person (poor little Malkin) who has, on television and in her published works, advocated torture–a policy which is, to the shame of this nation, being practiced. No one harmed her, or her entourage, in any way. This wasn’t quite water-boarding! Perhaps, then, mental abuse? “Malkin in Jeopardy?” This video looks more like divorce court!

Repeat after me, “sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me.” You war crime advocates really need to grow a back bone. It’s no wonder we’re still mired in Iraq!

Aug 26, 2008 - 8:27 pm 147. SoulRebel:

The guy in the green shirt is Kenneth Sanchez of Recreate 68. Malkin and Sanchez are on the same team. You see sanchez is a provocateur, he runs up to Alex says his is a big fan then starts shouting “kill Michelle Malkin” in order to discredit him. Luke Rudowski who is a friend of Alex’s, motions sanchez to shut up, Waving in his hand in front of his face. This is what recreate 68 does, they are counter intelligence in order to discredit legitimate protesters. This why faux news and other major media only focus on these foundation funded radical groups.

Ask yourself, would a group who wanted to change the hearts and minds of Americans represent themselves by wearing goofy hats, black panther style berets and running around attempting to levitate buildings? Why would the media focus only on these groups?

Notice that sniveling little coward Sandcez smirk, lift up his head and scream “Kill Michelle Malkin!”. As the scene played out Sanchez can be seen yelling “Alex jones is a capitalist!” somthing or another. Sanchez can also be heard screaming “Michelle Malkin is a true patriot!” Another goon starts screaming “PEACE, PEACE, PEACE” each time inching his spit spraying mouth towards Alex’s face.

Also ask yourself why a “radical left anarchist group” would be defend a neocon?

Even this video posted on this website is an attempt to discredit Alex and Luke. With its slow motion replays, cut scenes and far away camera vantage point. please visit the link below to see the Raw, unedited, close up footage.It shows a clear view of Sancez and his provocateur tactics.

Recreate 68, Malkin and the false left/right paradigm are slowing being exposed and I hope you will look into this and see that theses “anarchists” aren’t who they say they are.

Media Distorts Malkin Confrontation (Video embedded in page)
http://www.prisonplanet.com/alex-jones-confronts-michelle-malkin-at-the-dnc.html

Re-create 68 is known COINTELPRO
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389×3206998

Aug 26, 2008 - 8:29 pm 148. CFM:

Joeblow, meet Theo669. You two will like each other. Hurry along, the Kossaks are waiting.

Aug 26, 2008 - 8:52 pm 149. Buck Smith:

Ok I watched again and what Stephen Green said was “Hot Air’s Michelle Malkin” not “hot heiress Michelle Malkin.” Don’t why I heard it wrong, I must have had the equalization on my PC’s speakers fouled up.

Regarding internment of Japanese, water boarding, Gitmo, etc., in my opinion there are only a few questions you have to ask yourself to resolve this.

1. Do you consider the so-called “greatest generation” to be great?

2. Does the good the greatest generation achieved in defeating fascism outweigh the excesses (Japanese internment, Firebombing of Hamburg, Dresden, Tokyo and A-bombs on Japan)? There are many more excesses that could be listed, especially if we were to judge the GG by the same standards Alex Jones and his like want to judge the US military in Iraq and Afghanistan and anywhere else.

3. In a fight against the jihadis (who from my perspective seem every bit as evil ideologically as the fascists) are the Bush administration’s excesses worse than the greatest generations?

I would answer yes, yes, no.

Aug 26, 2008 - 8:54 pm 150. CFM:

Heh. This is fun.

SoulRebel, you are absolutely right! Better still, the fake camera angles and audio enhancements required by the Malkin-Sanchez Production Company were provided by advanced technologies developed by Space Aliens from the Betelgeuse Alliance! Under contract, of course, with the ever-so-credible sources you quoted. Space Aliens, as we all know, are always eager to help discredit fine, upstanding conservative gents like Alex Jones, whose sharp minds are capable of exposing the Aliens’ involvement with the Council on Foreign Relations and the Petite Asian Women’s Journalist Club. BTW – have you met JoeBlow, Theo669 and their happy troupe of Kossaks?

Aug 26, 2008 - 9:02 pm 151. mishu:

oooh! SoulRebel exposed the FALSE FLAG operation! Fire can’t melt steel!!1!one!!11

Aug 26, 2008 - 9:10 pm 152. SoulRebel:

CFM, You cannot deny my claims, so keep attempting with your pathetic sarcastic comments. Why don’t you come up with REAL info instead of mindless garbage about space aliens? I’m sure you can find a camera that isn’t from “completely fabricated” sources showing Sanchez and his provocateur tactics.

Aug 26, 2008 - 9:18 pm 153. yak:

It’s obvious to me that Alcoa’s stock prices are going to shoot thru the roof tomorrow.

Aug 26, 2008 - 9:30 pm 154. iconoclast:

SoulRebel

I think there is a way to make a propeller for your tinfoil beanie. You might check it out. That you think that sad comment posting somehow proves that Recreat68 are provocateurs is pathetic in the extreme…

Aug 26, 2008 - 9:54 pm 155. SoulRebel:

I’m going to post a link about FEMA camps since most you of are used to being spoon fed information by corporate media. I know you wont find it for yourselves.

Oliver North Questioned – Rex 84 Exposed During Iran Contra
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug0IL7k3elQ

Congress is kept away from Rex 84 FEMA camp Martial Law plan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_gD25lwjAk

Aug 26, 2008 - 10:02 pm 156. SoulRebel:

Iconoclast, If you have anything useful to say. A valid point I would love to hear it. Talking about tinfoil hats and calling my claims “sad” doesn’t prove your point.

Aug 26, 2008 - 10:11 pm 157. Mike Milkin:

Black Smith

Such conflation. I can’t believe you would ask these questions.

I understand that a lot of American citizens still believe that Iraq had a hand in 9/11 and did indeed have weapons of mass destruction. They did not. If this is your justification for torture, maybe you should catch up with current events.

The atrocities have been documented and have been proven–Abu Graib and Gitmo. Unless you have it in for all persons of Islamic faith, you should know that these atrocities (or ‘excesses’ as you call them) were directed against many persons who were not a threat to our nation. Are the atrocities of the Bush administration worse than the so-called ‘greatest generation?’ Well, yes.

But, again, if you want to advocate for war crimes, don’t whine if your poster girl gets insulted in the streets. I don’t believe anyone laid a hand on princess malkin (per your melodramatic video).

Aug 26, 2008 - 10:17 pm 158. RAD:

I was watching this happen Live, I realize this looks real Bad and I will admit Alex’s behaviour was not quite appropriate! Truth, watch this film again Notice the Green guy with the Black Hat behind Alex. Well I suggest you find out who the real bad guy is friends. Another take Realize that Peace was being said over and over again at the top of many peoples lungs, Alex wanted to be heard would you not be hurt if someone lied about you on mainstream television.
Picture yourself in a situation as such and Please Honesty pays Lies hurt too many people.

Aug 26, 2008 - 10:17 pm 159. Brad:

Alex Jones would never, even under the most intense circumstances directly threaten someones life while his and everyone else’s camera feed live over the internet. As he understands and has explained many times before, violence only feeds what he is standing against. Michelle Malkin wrote “A Case for Internment” and if you’re not familiar with it, it is a bible for American concentration camps. She claimed that the video of the marine cold-heartedly throwing a puppy off a cliff was a hoax while the Marine Corps was prosecuting the individual to earn their name back. Alex was tame compared to her war crimes.

Aug 26, 2008 - 10:41 pm 160. Scrapiron:

Someone with the ‘Kill Michelle Malkin’ rants on tape turn them over the the state attorneys office. They have no choice but to chase them down and send them to the ‘bend over’ institute for a few months or years. Left wingers don’t need a propeller on their tin foil beanie’s, they do enough drugs to float on their own. Fifty years of making a**es of themselves and they still don’t realize that 99% of America is laughing at them or hoping they show up at their house and meet Mr Remington 12 Ga, and Mrs 00 Buckshot.

Aug 26, 2008 - 10:46 pm 161. Javelin:

Alex Jones is hardly some leftists, he is a true fringe character, a little bit of both, and totally original. But it’s hard to work up sympathy for MM, she is a witch and a slimer, a gossip columnists at best, full of cheap insinuations.

Aug 26, 2008 - 10:54 pm 162. Javelin:

“under attack ”
She wasn’t even scratched. Such mindless hype. More prole feed for the PJ plebes.

Aug 26, 2008 - 11:00 pm 163. The Rude News » Blog Archive » Alex Jones: Ass Whoop Alert:

[...] Green from Vodkapundit reported for Pajamas Media with production by Founding [...]

Aug 26, 2008 - 11:34 pm 164. seguin:

SoulRebel – It is kind of hard to disprove crazy ramblings. You know, it’s kind of hard to know where to start. Are you really comfortable being that deluded, or is it kind of grate at that tidbit of rational left in your conspiracy-riddled spongiform brain?

Aug 26, 2008 - 11:46 pm 165. Mr Toob:

Firstly let me state, I don’t support what Alex Jones did there. Not only did he act as a bully, but he wasn’t even on point or factual with his message. If he’d read the book, he would understand it was calling for racial profiling, not internment. However I notice a number of common mistakes in the reporting of the event. Here are my notes on a couple of those.

Calling Alex Jones left wing. He is far more of a libertarian/conservative in the majority of his views. He supported Ron Paul heavily during that campaign.

Associating Jones with the calls to kill Malkin. Jones continually denounces violence, he is interesting in information warfare, not physical warfare to achieve his goals. If you watch the raw footage from other cameras you can see Jones and Rudkowski both telling the man saying kill Malkin to shut up and cool it. Also that man was wearing an Obama hat, and was also shouting “Alex Jones is a capitalist stooge”, so it’s highly unlikely he was on Jones’ team. I suspect he was just one of the trouble maker anarchists looking to stir the pot anyway possible.

Aug 27, 2008 - 12:39 am 166. Michelle Malkin Gets Mobbed in Denver, and My Babysitter is Annoyingly Vague. Which Actually Work Together:

[...] women.  Even women who’s politics I abhor; she’s still a woman, and still a human.  Go watch.  Watch it all.  It’s terrible in that Oh My God This Tastes Like Shit You HAVE To Try It [...]

Aug 27, 2008 - 1:07 am 167. Pajamas Media » Live from DNC: Eyewitness to Mayhem (Day 2):

[...] Live from DNC: Malkin in Jeopardy [...]

Aug 27, 2008 - 2:55 am 168. axiom:

alex jones is a true american hero
but some of you brainwashed bootlickers just dont get it , do you ??

malkin is for tortute,internment camps and the murder of iraqis

why dont some of you read or research instead of relying on faux news

Aug 27, 2008 - 3:11 am 169. axiom:

god i despise you faux watching brainwashed blind ignorant bootlickers like iconoclast and others here
this is the start of the new civil war , and i can’t wait to rid this country of the treacherous filth
bring it on you dogs !

alex jones a true hero of liberty , not that you can see that , you are so dumbed down
www,infowars.com

Aug 27, 2008 - 3:16 am 170. axiom:

alex jones a true hero of liberty , not that you can see that , you are so dumbed down
www,infowars.com

Aug 27, 2008 - 3:17 am 171. hp:

wonder what part of _CIVIL_ disobedience they did not understand?

Aug 27, 2008 - 4:22 am 172. mishu:

hahahahaha! SoulRebel, that crap is straight form the X-Files. You must really want to believe. Here’s a day in the life of SoulRebel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Mt3_ScrefQ

Aug 27, 2008 - 4:45 am 173. Michael:

Can’t wait to see more reports from Vodka Pundit — he is a natural.

Aug 27, 2008 - 4:59 am 174. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Charlie (Colorado)
RE: Menacing

Over the state line yet, Alex? I think the Denver PD may be looking for you. You might want to look into Denver’s “menacing” ordinance. — Charlie (Colorado)

On the nosey.

I don’t know what the Denver City Ordinances say about it, but it’s also a state statute….

18-3-206. Menacing.

(1) A person commits the crime of menacing if, by any threat or physical action, he or she knowingly places or attempts to place another person in fear of imminent serious bodily injury. Menacing is a class 3 misdemeanor, but, it is a class 5 felony if committed:

(a) By the use of a deadly weapon or any article used or fashioned in a manner to cause a person to reasonably believe that the article is a deadly weapon; or

(b) By the person representing verbally or otherwise that he or she is armed with a deadly weapon.

Source: L. 71: R&RE, p. 421, § 1. C.R.S. 1963: § 40-3-206. L. 77: Entire section amended, p. 961, § 12, effective July 1. L. 2000: Entire section amended, p. 694, § 5, effective July 1. — Colorado Revised Statutes

I suggest that several people who think they might meeting or encounter Mr. Alex Jones today should print this out and give it to him. Highlight the primary description.

You’ve got all the video evidence you need to file a complaint with the City Attorney and ask for a warrant for his arrest.

And you don’t even have to be Michelle to file the complaint, albeit it would be good to see HER do it.

I suggest that SOMEONE Go for it!

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[A government of laws, and not of men. -- John Adams]

Aug 27, 2008 - 5:08 am 175. Boris:

“Oh, and Boris, the “devil voice” is a cutting artifact. Listen carefully … it’s just slowed audio. Only a moron would take that as “devil voice”.”

A cutting artifact? You intentionally ran the video back and slowed it down and you call this a cutting artifact? Not that I really care what you do to your video, but come on, how stupid do you think people are?

As for “felony menacing,” please. I looked it up. For menacing to be a felony you have to have a deadly weapon or claim you have a deadly weapon. Why do people tell me to look up things they haven’t even looked up?

Don’t be such a d bag. Enjoy your moment in time as the victim. Good luck with your lawsuits.

Aug 27, 2008 - 5:12 am 176. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: axiom

I think axiom would be more believable in their claim that the rest of US are ‘dumbed down’, if they’d either (1) learn how to type better and/or (2) got off the drugs that interfere with their typing, grammatical and punctuational skills.

I’m talking SERIOUS projection here on their part.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. I suspect they ‘graduated’—dare I call it that(?)—from high school within the last five years. That’s how badly the vaunted American public education system has deteriorated.

Aug 27, 2008 - 5:13 am 177. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: axiom & Projection

Sheesh….

I hadn’t scrolled up from their last post here when I noticed their tendency to ‘project’.

But above THAT comment I find this….

malkin is for tortute,internment camps and the murder of iraqis — axiom @ Aug 27, 2008 – 3:11 am

Followed, close on the heels by this….

god i despise you faux watching brainwashed blind ignorant bootlickers like iconoclast and others here
this is the start of the new civil war , and i can’t wait to rid this country of the treacherous filth bring it on you dogs ! — axiom @ Aug 27, 2008 – 3:16 am

At 3:11 am—and probably on some form of controlled-substance—they accuse Malkin of being for murder.

At 3:16 am—probably further down into mental chaos which lets their real nature emerge—they call for the murder of everyone who disagrees with them.

Very telling stuff. Since he’s ‘declared war’ on the rest of US, I wonder if he’ll (1) remember what he did earlier this morning and (2) act on it today.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Rebel: One who has failed to implement his own form of mis-rule.]

Aug 27, 2008 - 5:27 am 178. Dodgeblogium » Drolling idiots in Denver…:

[...] Paul. “Kill Michelle Malkin” can be heard in the chants. Over at PJM; there are people defending the abuse of [...]

Aug 27, 2008 - 5:46 am 179. axiom:

chuck –
do you a)know the war on terror is a fraud ?
b)know that man made global warming is a fraud ?
c)know that malkin advocates internment camps for americans in a fake war on terror ?
d)know that malkin advocates torture in this fake war on terror ?
e)know that malkin advocates murder of iraqis in a war based on lies (wmds)
f)know that the 2001 anthrax attacks ,falsely blamed on arabs, originated from the usa ?

now go and get yourself an education,and stop supporting fascist brainwashers,ok.

Aug 27, 2008 - 5:50 am 180. Ed Wallis:

For your reading…

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/08/27/what-if-they-held-a-riot-and-no-one-came/

Aug 27, 2008 - 5:53 am 181. Charlie (Colorado):

Space Aliens from the Betelgeuse Alliance!

Damn, they got us.

Don’t forget the Illuminati. After all, Kipling was a Freemason.

Aug 27, 2008 - 6:02 am 182. IncPen:

Alex Jones is a typical fascist liberal: you can’t win an argument on merit, so you silence those you disagree with.

Aug 27, 2008 - 6:04 am 183. SDN:

If this had happened in TX, I would have been fully justified in using deadly force to protect either myself or Ms Malkin…. which is why it doesn’t happen here.

Copperheads are Cowards.

Aug 27, 2008 - 6:12 am 184. Solon:

>>Alex Jones is a typical fascist liberal: you can’t win an argument on merit, so you silence those you disagree with.<<

No, no, no. Alex Jones is a conservative, a paleoconservative.
Here’s Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Jones_(radio)

And here’s a link to an Alex Jones interview with everbody’s favorite anti-Obama author Jerome Corsi:

http://dad2059.wordpress.com/2007/08/15/alex-jones-interview-with-dr-jerome-corsi/

Alex Jones maybe fascistic, but he’s not a liberal.

Aug 27, 2008 - 6:29 am 185. Judy, NYC:

i would bet anything that this character who screams kill, does not even vote. he is more likely to be snoring and dribbling on his urine stained mattress, than roll out of bed. happily, this brainless ass made tiny michelle malkin look so brave. she is quite lovely. i will, of course, buy her book.

Aug 27, 2008 - 6:38 am 186. CarlsDad:

Good laugh to start the day!!

Aug 27, 2008 - 7:08 am 187. Matt, Esq.:

I am blown away ANY leftist showed up on this site and justified these actions. Libs, I hate to break it to you but Charlie’s right- menancing laws are in place to keep things like this from happening.

And come on – do you really expect us to believe ANY of libs going on and on about internment camps actually, you know, read Michelle’s book ? The cliff note version at kos is, as expected, wildly inaccurate. Plus, writing a book and stating an opinion does not warrant violence or threats- if you don’t like what she’s saying, don’t read the book. Simple !

Aug 27, 2008 - 7:10 am 188. Macgawd:

Funny–criticize the NeoCons like Michelle Malkin, and you’re automatically labeled a “Liberal goon”. Too bad for you that I’m not a Liberal. I am very much a Conservative Republican, but what I am not is a fascist NeoCon who believes that anyone who does not hold my ideology is un-American and deserves to be locked up, deported, or tortured.

Michelle Malkin is an extremist, who was at the DNC looking for a confrontation, and she got more than she bargained for.

Aug 27, 2008 - 7:16 am 189. Vairy:

Thank God that Michelle was not hurt by that crazy man. Be carful when you go out there, these people are not carrying a full load and they look very disturbed.

Aug 27, 2008 - 7:21 am 190. axiom:

incpen – try doing some reading first, before you embarrass yourself again

Aug 27, 2008 - 7:21 am 191. iconoclast:

wow, there is a full helping of crazy in here. Alcoa (AA) has been down for awhile, maybe these guys have stopped wearing their tinfoil beanies?

Aug 27, 2008 - 7:28 am 192. constitution first:

If it walks like a lib talks like a lib and smells like a lib… It’s fair to say there is a pretty good chance he’s a lib. just because he claims to be a true conservative doesn’t make him one. but maybe he’s on to something.. we could all pretend to be liberals and try to bring down their good name… wait… NO, we don’t need to do that… They have plenty of people doing that job for them and doin it very well… While I think MM is a tad extream at times I think it’s important to have views such as hers expressed to counter the progressive view on MSM to at least bring anyone with a real education to right center.

I dont’ see MM’s looks as all that important except it will make the feminest’s hate on her because in their eyes she’s no tallent and gotten where she is only on looks. I’m in no way goin to deny that her looks have helped her. However.. all one has to do is flip on CNN or MSNBC and they have done the same thing to “attract” the coveted young Male viewer… I just realized I’m ranting… Take care all I’m goin back to work

Aug 27, 2008 - 7:31 am 193. Elton:

It was great seeing the demonic Michelle Malkin who bushwacked Cindy Sheehan and insulted her over her dead son finally get hers! She is a lying traitor who helped murder American soldiers and innocent Iraqis by selling an unjustfied war to a very dumbed down public. She will burn in Hell along with the other neo-libs.

Aug 27, 2008 - 7:40 am 194. Adnihilo:

To “Chalk Talk” citing delusional statement and allegation: “Isn’t it funny how liberals are always calling Republicans fascists, but only liberals are assaulting others in the streets because they don’t share their political views?”

Yeah bozo, it’s real funny how all these LIBERALS recently ended up massacred and DEAD at the hands of extreme right wingnut Christian fascists in a guise as ‘conservatives’.

Bible Belt TN radical right Christian gunning down Unitarian Liberals at church cited as hate crime on liberals:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7529450.stm

Bible Belt Christian Fascist Terrorist that opened fire on liberals in Liberal Church killing 2 owned books by 3 ‘conservative’ Fox Fake News Hosts:
http://www.pensitoreview.com/2008/07/29/deranged-dittohead-read-books-by-oreilly-hanity-savage/

No longer a joke: Years of radical Xtian right jests about killing off liberals inspired Tenn. right wingnut to do just that:
http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2008/07/in-tennessee-eliminationism-is-no.html

‘Conservative’ Murderer gunning down down Dem Chairman endorsing Obama seeks solice at AR Baptist Convention afterwards
http://www.newsday.com/news/printedition/nation/ny-usark145800569aug14,0,2234099.story

Did Bible Belt Christian ‘Conservatives’ order Dem leader’s assassination? Killer wrote unknown victim’s name on post-it note:
http://www.todaysthv.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=70829&catid=2

Cops struggle to explain why loner shot Dem Leader: Try Another Psycho-Xtian NeoCon blaming wrongly blaming liberals for republican gov’t corporatism [corporatism IS fascism]:
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Police_struggle_to_explain_why_loner_0814.html

Onward Christian Soldiers: Increased ‘Conservative’ Gun Violence on Liberals a signal of their growing desperation?
http://discuss.epluribusmedia.net/onward_christian_soldiers_desperate_measures

O’Fascist O’Reilly & ‘Conservative’ Newsbusters website attack woman connecting GOP Hate Speech to ‘Conservatives’ murdering Liberals:
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/95810/o%27reilly_attacks_woman_who_connects_dots_between_hate_speech_and_violence/

Christian NeoFascist Hate Radio Demagogue advocates execution of all anti-war dissidents : Makes on air death threats on liberals
http://mediaputz.com/08/06/putz0619.html

Video shows provocateur behind Alex Jones w/floppy hat screaming ‘Kill Michelle Malkin’: Looks like ReCreate68ers:
http://rattube.com/blog1/2008/08/26/pajamas-media-vindicates-alex-jones/

Aug 27, 2008 - 7:41 am 195. iconoclast:

Elton

MM is doing just fine and is well-regarded by many as a thoughtful and forceful voice. She would be the first to defend your right to have whatever insane opinion you wish–as in defend to the death your right to say the kind of idiotic bombast you just posted.

It is more than a pity that you, an apparent American, don’t view her right to have an opinion as equal to yours. Pretty typical of moonbats, but pitiful just the same.

Aug 27, 2008 - 7:51 am 196. Kevin:

These FEMA camps in Iraq theory wouldn’t by chance be an offshoot idea of the extermination camps that the UN was building in the American deserts as part of the New World Order, would it? Has a familiar ring. I can remember that theory on the overnight radio shows during the 90’s. That was also when the black helicopter scare was rampant. It was bulls**t then, and it’s BS now, even if the two aren’t related. I just realized who the Alex Jones is, and he and his little buddies need to go back to his basemen….er mom’s house. Maybe have Mom heat up some Hot Pockets and open up a few Pepsi’s.

Aug 27, 2008 - 7:52 am 197. Chuck Pelto:

TO: axiom
RE: You Talk’n To Me?

“now go and get yourself an education,and stop supporting fascist brainwashers,ok.” — axiom

I suspect, based on your diatribes and poor communication skills, that I’ve got a better education than you do, buckie.

Did YOU know:

a) Your punctuation, capitalization, and grammar skills are abominable?
b) You communications are, by and large, fruitless because no one with a REAL education takes you seriously?
c) That your claims that the rest of us are’ ‘brainwashed’ is evidence of projection?
d) That your unwillingness to disclose your true name is evidence of prevarication?

Now. Take a nice restful vacation and then enroll in remedial education to improve your communication skills. While you’re at it, get involved with a debate club to improve your logic and argumentative skills as well.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Education: Replacing an empty mind with an open one.]

P.S. Or so it SHOULD be…..

Aug 27, 2008 - 8:10 am 198. Hot Air » Blog Archive » Video: Michelle on the Alex Jones confrontation and levitating the Mint:

[...] find raw footage of that embedded below; if you’re still hungry afterwards, try PJM’s video report from the scene. My one question has to do with her reference to Jones as fringe. He’s [...]

Aug 27, 2008 - 8:12 am 199. axiom:

kevin ,
try to get informed will you and google “fema camps ”
you goddam IDIOT.

Aug 27, 2008 - 8:12 am 200. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Solon
RE: Silly Person

“Alex Jones maybe fascistic, but he’s not a liberal.” — Solon

All these so-called ‘liberals’, actually ‘Progressives’, are fascists. Or at least the vast majority that I’ve met act like it.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Progressive is a one-word oxymoron.]

Aug 27, 2008 - 8:12 am 201. Another Kevin:

Michelle Malkin is someone who wrote an entire book in support of interment camps for American citizens.

“Interment” camps? I think the more common term for those would be “cemeteries,” wouldn’t it? I’m pretty sure most American citizens are in favor of those, except for the ones who want to be cremated.

Aug 27, 2008 - 8:16 am 202. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: Macgawd: Another ‘Projection’ County….

Funny–criticize the NeoCons like Michelle Malkin, and you’re automatically labeled a “Liberal goon”. — Macgawd

Probably because Alex Jones provided such a fine example of that sort of behavior. Maybe you should counsel him on his misrepresenting you.

Too bad for you that I’m not a Liberal. Macgawd–

Actually, I think God that I grew up, when I realized the so-called ‘liberals’ were actually acting like illiberals.

I am very much a Conservative Republican… — Macgawd

Actually, I’d sooner believe that you’re on some ‘controlled-substance’.

…but what I am not is a fascist NeoCon who believes that anyone who does not hold my ideology is un-American and deserves to be locked up, deported, or tortured. — Macgawd

Seems to me I heard something from axiom, here.

Michelle Malkin is an extremist, who was at the DNC looking for a confrontation, and she got more than she bargained for. — Macgawd

Yup. Just like axiom.

False flag, anyone?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Prevaricator: A liar in the larval form of development.]

Aug 27, 2008 - 8:20 am 203. nami:

DAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA!!!

Leftist tolerance and inclusiveness at its quintessential best.

The party of slavery, internment, Jim Crow, affirmative racism, speech codes and thought crimes never disappoints when it comes to demonstrating its “progressive” values at every opportunity.

Too bad the leftist MSM (pardon the redundancy) didn’t give these freaks the same attention they give to the two dozen wacko demonstrators who show up at every anti-war rally.

Great stuff!

Aug 27, 2008 - 9:02 am 204. marcus:

For the record Alex Jones never said kill her, NEVER. Some random pos did. Now the MSM is using it to bad mouth Jones and 9/11 truth. Lies are Lies and Jones never said Kill malkin. Probably a member of recreate 68, a communist front group being used to make real protestors look bad.

Aug 27, 2008 - 9:08 am 205. marcus:

why are people defending a woman who called for americans who disagree with the gov’t or the war to be put in death camps…shes a vile pos.

Aug 27, 2008 - 9:08 am 206. Lranders:

This tub-a-lard Alex Jones is a prime example of a peace-activist, over-the-max liberal. The Denver police are as-always – worthless! Glad I wasn’t there because big boy wouldn’t have liked it. You idiots on this post who think Alex Jones had a right to behaving this way will one day meet your match too. I, and most other Americans, will have enough of you idiots one day.

Aug 27, 2008 - 9:28 am 207. Solon:

TO: Chuck Pelto
Re: Alex Jones

Chuck, Alex Jones IS NOT A LIBERAL. Paleoconservatives ARE NOT LIBERALS. Listen to his show, or better yet, read his sympathetic interview with Jerome Corsi who wrote the anti-Obama book “The Obama Nation”:

http://dad2059.wordpress.com/2007/08/15/alex-jones-interview-with-dr-jerome-corsi/

Once again, take just a minute to familiarize yourself with Alex Jones:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Jones_(radio)

There are deep ruptures in the conservative movement, and MM vs. paleocons is just one of them.

Aug 27, 2008 - 9:30 am 208. joeblow:

9-11 wasn’t an inside job? Why were FBI agents prevented by superiors from pursuing the hijackers who were identified before the attacks? How did guys who could barely fly cesna planes pull off such complex manuvers with jetliners? Why were wargames in progress on the morning of 9-11 simulating multiple hijackings of jets? Why were fighter planes removed from the east coast prior to 9-11 leaving us virtually undefended? Why were standard intercept procedures not followed? Why did the Pentagon fail to defend itself? Why did the laws of physics cease to exist and allow 3 buildings to fall near free fall speed and leave behind traces of thermite? The official story is a fraud, and if you haven’t figured it out by now you are a mind controlled slave.

Aug 27, 2008 - 9:43 am 209. Chuck Pelto:

TO: marcus
RE: What….

Lies are Lies and Jones never said Kill malkin. — marcus

…does one do with a ‘monster’?

I distinctly heard Alex Jones shouting that Michelle was a “monster”. Repeatedly do so.

I suspect that’s what inspired that ‘random pos’ to shout “Kill Michelle Malkin!”

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Half the lies they tell me aren't true. -- Yogi Berra]

Aug 27, 2008 - 9:49 am 210. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Solon
RE: Alex Jones

Well, he’s not anything I’d call a ‘conservative’.

Maybe he and the good reverend Phelps should get together.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Liberals aren’t. Progressives don’t.]

Aug 27, 2008 - 9:52 am 211. iconoclast:

when one incites a mob chanting “kill Michelle Malkin” to “get her….don’t let her get away”, that says it all.

9/11 truth? Yes, a group of fanatic muslims (am I repeating myself here?) crashed two jets into the twin towers and they fell. NIST and Popular Mechanics have the best rebuttal of truther conspiracy theories I have seen so far.

Aug 27, 2008 - 10:07 am 212. Macgawd:

Chuck Pelto writes: “Yup. Just like axiom.

False flag, anyone?”

NeoCon Axiom #1: There are only two types of people: Right-thinking, and Liberal.

NeoCon Axiom #2: Anyone who does not march lockstep with NeoCon NeoCon thinking is a de facto Liberal.

NeoCon Axiom #3: If two people share the same viewpoint, one must be a sock puppet.

Aug 27, 2008 - 10:13 am 213. Karin in Maine:

she looks like a scared cow chewing on her cud in this video.

Aug 27, 2008 - 10:14 am 214. nami:

Hey JoeBlow,

The only thing missing from your hilarious rant was “HALLIBURTON!”

DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH—HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Aug 27, 2008 - 10:21 am 215. Pfhreak:

TO: Chuck Pelto
RE: Alex Jones

And MM isn’t what Alex Jones would call a “conservative”. “Liberal” and “conservative” are vague umbrella terms that have been stretched so thin to try and cover the many factions in both parties that they’re almost useless. AJ is one of those people who’s convinced his particular brand of conservatism is the “only true conservatism,” and he seems to spend all his time whining about it.

Aug 27, 2008 - 10:37 am 216. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: Macgawd cum axiom

NeoCon Axiom #1: There are only two types of people: Right-thinking, and Liberal.

NeoCon Axiom #2: Anyone who does not march lockstep with NeoCon NeoCon thinking is a de facto Liberal.

NeoCon Axiom #3: If two people share the same viewpoint, one must be a sock puppet. — Macgawd

If he struck out the word “Neocon” from each of his lines, he’d be describing axiom perfectly.

Indeed. I’m wondering if he is being axiom’s item #3.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Almost all absurdity of conduct arises from the imitation of those who we cannot resemble. -- Samuel Johnson]

P.S. This raises the question of whether a ’sock puppet’ can resemble the hand that moves it…..

Aug 27, 2008 - 10:41 am 217. Kevin:

axiom:

kevin ,
try to get informed will you and google “fema camps ”
you goddam IDIOT.
Aug 27, 2008 – 8:12 am

You got me. Oh, the logic of your argument. How did I ever allow myself to be such a brainwashed tool? Your obviously superior intellect just overwhelms me. Your precise arguments, a work of art. Your concise arguments, oh, if only Obama had you for a speech writer. I have turned over a new leaf. Praise be to axiom. I have done seen da lite.

Aug 27, 2008 - 10:54 am 218. Kevin:

Oh, now I get it. First they will transport us all to the FEMA camps where they will separate us into two groups, those who can be brainwashed and those who can’t. Those who cannot be brainwashed will be sent to the UN camps and put to death by train and black helicopters while the administration hijacks some more planes to crash into various building while setting off dirty nukes in the largest ports. Allowing the government to go to war with another innocent nation to further it’s imperial goals. How daft of me to not see this.

Aug 27, 2008 - 11:04 am 219. axiom:

ITS CLEAR NOW IT WAS A SET UP BY THOSE 2 MALKIN SUPPORTERS ! (ONE IN GREEN ,WEARING OBAMA BERETS !)
YOU IDIOTS !
LOL

WHOSE LOOKING THE FOOL NOW ?

Aug 27, 2008 - 11:05 am 220. axiom:

YEAH KEVIN ,
BUT YOU HEAD SANDED THE QUESTION AS USUAL FROM YOU BRAINWASHED DOLTS
DID YOU GOOGLE FEMA CAMPS ??

Aug 27, 2008 - 11:08 am 221. axiom:

CHUCK , YOU AVOID MY A B C D ,
WHY ?
BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO ANSWER
YOU ARE A VACUOUS SHILL FOR THE NEOCONS
PATHETIC PIECE OF TRASH ,
GET OUT OF OUR WAY ,
WE’RE TAKING THE COUNTRY BACK FROM YOU CRIMINAL FILTH

Aug 27, 2008 - 11:10 am 222. joeblow:

To: Iconoclast

9-11 was done by muslim fanatics? Oh please ! Intelligent life calling Iconoclast. The so called ‘fanatics’ were drinking alcohol, going to strip clubs, and visiting gambling casinos. That’s pretty strange given all of those things are against the beliefs they supposedly sacrificed themselves for. Could it be they were not who we have been led to believe? Could it be they were in fact U.S agents who were patisies for a ‘false flag’ operation that allowed the PNAC boys and globalists to implement their plans for war in the Middle East.

Aug 27, 2008 - 11:13 am 223. Mark Gailey aka LibertyFelix:

Charlie:
I respect your frustration with Mr. Jones’ behavior. You were evidently there to do a job, and Jones and this confrontation were not supportive or sympathetic of that fact. Your focus had to be on ‘potential’ threats which distracted you from an unbiased viewing of your surroundings.

But you begin to lose credibility with the ‘over the state line’ stuff. Any threats by Jones were intellectual challenges relating to Malkin’s written and spoken support of real threats to citizens, sovereignty and civility. Any honest review of Jones’ agenda, work, and working style will bear that out.

Continued insinuations that Jones was physically threatening only feed the false misrepresentation of those who cannot tell the difference between GreenShirt’s inciteful raves and Jones’ attempt to take Malkin to task for her threatening positions.
So I respectfully must ask you:
1) Did you not see GreenShirt arrive and depart with the Malkin camp? …or see him with the recreate68 bunch who you claim were the calmifiers?
2) Were you paid to protect Malkin’s physical being only or also to help her protect her public image against intellectual challenges?

Alex Jones:
For heaven sake, why couldn’t you just put Malkin on the spot for an interview? She deserves your confrontation. But it is never good to start out so confrontationally. You missed the opportunity for all these video hits to show her running, even from a polite invitation. (Since we are both confident that she would!)

Neo-Cons:
The left-right paradigm is alive and well here. And it continues to exacerbate fraudulent misperceptions, inaccuracies and outright lies.
Theo669 and SoulRebel have made cogent substantive statements here which have been countered only by off-point and unfounded irrelevances.

Mr. Green:
Your fluff piece was fun and enjoyable. But I regret that it is still circulating on sites headlined with the fraudulent claims that Jones called for murder.

Aug 27, 2008 - 11:14 am 224. axiom:

NOTICE HOW CHUCK AND KEVIN CANNOT COUNTER THE FACTS ABOUT INTERNMENT/TORTURE SUPPORTER MALKIN , BUT OBSFUCATE.
THATS ALL THEY GOT ,
YOU PATHETIC TREACHEROUS TRASH.

Aug 27, 2008 - 11:15 am 225. axiom:

LRANDERS – BRING IT ON DOG

Aug 27, 2008 - 11:17 am 226. brainofjfk:

Alex would never say Kill anyone live on tv.

Alex knew he was on livetv.

Thousands of people saw this feed live on tv.

We have all different angles of this confrontation.

Michelle Malkin admitted Alex did not say Kill Michelle Malkin.

Check out youtube and make sure you view more than one angle check out the kids behind him especially the kid in the green shirt.

This story is deeper than it appears.

Aug 27, 2008 - 11:26 am 227. Mark Gailey aka LibertyFelix:

Amazing! It would seem that both Malkin and Jones had a similar purpose, even if aligned with opposing agendas. That is, to portray the particular event’s sponsors as irrelevant and counter-productive. And levitating the Mint is hardly as pertinent as the deeper intellectual debate that Malkin was not ready to entertain.

Aug 27, 2008 - 11:27 am 228. axiom:

“Michelle Malkin under attack by self-described anarchists yelling “Kill Michelle Malkin” in front of the Denver Mint.”

Want to be sued for slander ?
no?
well, remove that now !

it was malkins supporters who shouted “kill” to frame alex .
but youre so dumb it backfired , you goddam idiots!
so remove it now , because YOU WILL BE SUED
KAPISH ?

Aug 27, 2008 - 11:28 am 229. Mark Gailey aka LibertyFelix:

Axiom:
Tone it down a bit, please. MAYBE THE ALL-CAPS THING ISN’T HELPING.

Aug 27, 2008 - 11:30 am 230. iconoclast:

the caps key–it is all fun until someone abuses it and looks like a drooling idiot. Unless, of course, you are a drooling idiot (axiom) in which case it is just a matter of letting the world know it without having to actually read your drivel.

joeblow: were the Freemasons or the Trilateral Commission involved somewhere in there? And weren’t you going to reference a tv show fiction as more “proof”?

wow, it is “turtles all the way down” here today, isn’t it?

Aug 27, 2008 - 11:33 am 231. Sasha:

Pajamas Media owned by Rupert Murdoc or somthing? What kind of tribe do these pseudo-journalists push most of the time, FOX cloned snooze.

Terrible, aweful and totally expected from yet another site that lies about that fact that they are even a news site. For the real scoop about non-Anarchist, non-thug Alex Jones go to Infowars.com and read some articles (assuming this site has folks that can still read). Watch this video of the incident without the pre-conditioning text:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vgvxrv-XdY

Use your own eyes and view as many sources as possible, unlike the editors of this attrocious, poser news site have done.

Aug 27, 2008 - 11:34 am 232. axiom:

AND HERE IS THE PROOF !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKGnN42Cwvs

AT 1:33

NOW WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY ?

Aug 27, 2008 - 11:40 am 233. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: axiom[matic]

I think he’s in overdrive. I can almost hear him screaming on the other side of the internet.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[I hate everybody, and you're next. -- axiom's axiom]

Aug 27, 2008 - 12:04 pm 234. axiom:

so chuck still no response?
not even to the definitive proof above ?
do you have anything substantive to say , or is it because your position is now non existent after the proof ?

i guess you wont have the fortitude to apologise and retract ?

maybe you could even learn more at www,infowars.com

Aug 27, 2008 - 12:19 pm 235. TXpatriot:

I would like to correct a common error I keep seeing in this thread. Alex Jones and his followers are NOT liberals. Rather, they are ultra-conservatives. I came in contact with Alex back in the 90’s when I worked with him to rebuild the Branch Davidian church in Waco, TX. I am very proud of my participation in that project, as I think the government did those people wrong. That being said, I am ashamed of my black helicopter days of the 90’s. The government screwed up. They were not in some conspiracy to take over the world starting in Waco. Hell, the government can’t even keep war plans in Iraq and Afghanistan secret. What makes anyone believe they could keep plans to take over the world secret? Alex Jones is a bit paranoid and he sees shadows behind every tree, but he is no liberal. I agree with the starting point of his paranoia–that the government as it stands has far over-reached its Constitutional authority. For that reason, I will not support McCain, nor will I support Obama. It is time to look to the Libertarians and Bob Barr for this election.

Aug 27, 2008 - 12:19 pm 236. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: axiom[matic] Persistence

so chuck still no response? — axiom

When someone comes across as deranged as axiom has here, I tend not to address them directly anymore. Instead I address others about their derangement, pointing out that these people can be VERY dangerous. And not just to themselves.

Their biggest problem is that they are so ‘high’ on hatred that rational discussion is hopeless. Just like Alex Jones with Michelle. The only thing that would calm him down was if she were lying the gutter bleeding to death or a nightstick up side his head.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Hatred is the coward's revenge for being intimidated. -- George Bernard Shaw]

Aug 27, 2008 - 12:43 pm 237. axiom:

correction:

http://www.infowars.com

Aug 27, 2008 - 12:51 pm 238. Chuck Pelto:

TO: TXpatriot
RE: [OT] Black Helicopters

Actually, most US Army helicopters look ‘black’ from a distance at the proper angle from the Sun. It’s the dull, dark green paint. But I wouldn’t put it past the government to have some flat-black aircraft about. I have some associates, i.e., comrades-in-arms, who did some time at Fort Campbell—Home of the 101st Air Assault Division, i.e., hundreds of helicopters—who think they saw what looked like aircraft painted that color there.

As the old adage goes….

Where do you hide an egg? With a hundred other eggs.

RE: You Sure About That?

“Alex Jones and his followers are NOT liberals. Rather, they are ultra-conservatives.” — TXpatriot

He sure doesn’t come across like one. Unless of the good reverend Phelps of Kansas sort. But I don’t consider him an ‘ultra-conservative’ either. He’s just a man full of hatred. And Alex Jones came across EXACTLY the same way.

So if conservatives are disavowing him. And you claim he’s not a ‘liberal’. What is he? I mean besides a man with too much hatred in his personality.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[A tree is known by its fruit. -- Some Wag, around 2000 years ago]

Aug 27, 2008 - 12:54 pm 239. TXpatriot:

I maintain that he is an ultra-conservative because he believes in individual freedom and limited government. Conservatives disavow him because he has many nutty theories (like we bombed ourselves at 911). His starting point is correct–we need a limited government that adheres to the Constitution. His paranoia makes him a little (ok a lot) goofy. I also don’t think Alex is a man of hatred. Rather he is a man of dillusion. Many of his follewers, however, are filled with hatred. I read through some of the threads on his website today. They are rife with anti-semitism.

Aug 27, 2008 - 1:35 pm 240. Winston:

Alex Jones is *NOT* left-wing.

Alex Jones is *NOT* a liberal.

Alex Jones *DOES* have deep connections to *ORGANISED FASCISM*.

These videos of Alex Jones’ disgusting behaviour show his physical actions are now as revolting as his ideology.

If AJs reprehensible behaviour towards Malkin was motivated by malkin’s supposed fascism – then why does AJ have freinds and colleagues so closely allied to *GENUINE FASCISM*? For instance, Mike Rivero works with Alex Jones and yet Rivero promotes Curt Maynard – an “in your face” racist if ever there was one. Maynard calls for “culling of the nigger herds” – yet Rivero promotes him, and even had him on his radio show.

But AJ works with Mike Rivero. They work for the same radio company – GCN – owned by Ted Anderson. AJ and Rivero are also both sponsored by Midas Resources – again owned by Ted Anderson. They use the same sources – same audiences – same sponsorships……all pretty tight.

AJ also uses ‘Big’ Jim Tucker – a close colleague of Willis Carto!

And yet somehow it is Malkin that is the fascist? Not Big Jim Tucker’s publisher? Somehow it is Malkin that’s the racist fascist and not Rivero and Maynard?

Alex Jones’ conception of the world just does not make sense. Oh – another characteristic of fascism! LOL

Aug 27, 2008 - 1:36 pm 241. John Moore:

DEA has black helicopters.

I guess they’re the vanguard of the government takeover. NOT.

Aug 27, 2008 - 1:49 pm 242. Kevin:

I have found that getting into a point by point argument with a conspiratorialist is futile at best. No matter what evidence you provide to answer their charges, they just shoot back that you are a stooge or a brainwashed tool, etc. There is no civil debate. They do not want to entertain the thought that they just might be wrong.

Aug 27, 2008 - 1:59 pm 243. RAD:

Looks to me you are not open minded people, Alex is, and admitted he was a bit fiesty. He was interviewed regarding this incident and fox said they did not know who. Alex was cleared. If Anyone Stands up for the Many people who died for you or your brothers why are you hurting someone? I ask you to open your minds and see everyone for who they really are not a onetime fiasco!! Regardless of which just look at their Heart, no politics, can you hear the heart beat for you me, his brother, their sister, anyone?

Aug 27, 2008 - 2:00 pm 244. Chuck Pelto:

TO: TXpatriot
RE: Alex Jones, Conservative

I maintain that he is an ultra-conservative because he believes in individual freedom and limited government. — TXpatriot

That’s more Libertarian than ultra-conservative.

Additionally, the lead in thread describe the altercation as between Michelle and a bunch of anarchists.

Furthermore, after watching various videos of the incident, I can’t think of a single ‘ultra-conservative’ who would dress like the denizens who appeared to be supportive of Alex Jones.

Conservatives disavow him because he has many nutty theories (like we bombed ourselves at 911). His starting point is correct–we need a limited government that adheres to the Constitution. His paranoia makes him a little (ok a lot) goofy. — TXpatriot

Goofy? GOOFY! Goofy was a lovable character from Disney. Alex is ANYTHING BUT that.

I also don’t think Alex is a man of hatred. — TXpatriot

Can’t prove that by those videos.

Maybe, if you know him well enough, you could get him to put up a sincere apology on YouTube. And I don’t mean one of those non-apologies we see from politicians all the time.

Rather he is a man of dillusion. — TXpatriot

Delusional would be if he mistook Michelle Malkin for his long lost mother.

Many of his follewers, however, are filled with hatred. I read through some of the threads on his website today. They are rife with anti-semitism. — TXpatriot

Well….

….there you have evidence supporting MY estimation of his situation.

Thanks for that.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Bird....feathers....and flocks.....]

Aug 27, 2008 - 2:20 pm 245. Cajun Maverick:

If the Denver police did nothing to protect Michelle and didn’t arrest those who shouted “Kill Michelle Malkin”, then that is shameful. What else can you expect from a police force that doesn’t even enforce drug laws…

And remember… free speech is only free when liberals agree.

Aug 27, 2008 - 2:25 pm 246. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Winston
RE: Really?

Alex Jones *DOES* have deep connections to *ORGANISED FASCISM*. — Winston

More supporting evidence of my assessment of Alex Jones.

And that leads me to wonder if when TXpatriot describes Alex as an ‘ultra-conservative’, he’s thinking along the lines of the conservative party from 1930s Germany. Certainly ties in well with his comment about all the anti-semitism found at Alex’s web-site. Nice euphemism in there; ‘ultra-conservative’ as code for ‘fascist’.

And here he was shouting at Michelle about internment camps. How very ‘projective’ of him.

Thanks for that.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Opinions are not a disease; except to a dictator. -- Dr. Jeffery Satinover]

Aug 27, 2008 - 2:26 pm 247. Ed Wallis:

Soooooooooo…..

THIS is what it is like posting and reading over at the Leftist drivel-watering-holes like Daily Kossack et. al.?!

It would be appreciated by ALL (right and left) if those with nothing but rants and hyper-accusations would please stay out of this site.

Keep it reasonable here, please.

Aug 27, 2008 - 2:40 pm 248. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Cajun Maverick
RE: What Else?

What else can you expect from a police force that doesn’t even enforce drug laws… — Cajun Maverick

How about arresting an ABC camera crew and producer on the public sidewalk outside the Brown Palace as they were recording a bunch of Democrat Fat Cats exiting the facility after a smoke-filled-room discussion?

Check it out at DrudgeReport….

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Conventions/story?id=5668622&page=1

Enjoy,

Chuck(le)
P.S. I’m going to have to have a LOOOOONG talk with my comrade-in-arms on the DPD, if this report is accurate.

Aug 27, 2008 - 2:57 pm 249. Rubicon:

If the video I just viewed is an example of reason, logic, justice, logic, peace & love… the world should live in fear for the rest its days!
Screaming names at the top of ones lungs is not reason, nor is it rational. Refusing to allow her to speak w.o screaming drowning out what she had to say, shows the radicals are not for justice or freedom, but are for whatever they want to force others to bear!
Malkin may or may not have written or even said what this guy is rambling on about. But, his actions clearly show he cannot act like a civilized person. Chasing after her screaming & grabbing at camera’s, is the act of a lunatic. That he may be influencing the views of some is frightening. I have heard many condemn Limbaugh for some of what he has said, yet nothing he has said can compare even remotely to the mean & thuggish tactics used here today.
Such tactics & actions convince me I am on the right side of the political spectrum, and happy to be there. Because if this is how a leftist presents his perspectives & would impose his views on others, all I see is a street thug who deserves locked up.
The calls for killing are beyond the pale of any reason & may even be illegal. That cops stood by is shameful & the City of Denver should seek be sought out by federal investigators for their failure to maintain law & order, plus their failure to arrest one calling for the killing of another human being.
Mr. Green’s humorous video segments were terrific & he should be commended for his overall humorous news piece, & the accurate reporting of events as they unfolded before us.
I doubt the biased media will even present this piece & even if they do, I doubt they will provide an objective review. After all, a conservative was attacked, and their previous actions show they think that’s OK!

Aug 27, 2008 - 3:17 pm 250. Winston:

Yes, anti-semitism is one of the major avenues for cross-over between the far-right and 911 Troof.

The far-right recognised that 911 conspiracy was a vehicle for their anti-semitism, and could work as a feeder into the wider Hitlerite fantasy of “world jewish conspiracy” – and thereby propagating genuine fascism. There are even threads about it over at Stormfront. Alex Jones says exactly the same things as nazi jewish conspiracism, except he’s particularly careful to use euphemisms, such as “bankers, globalists, bilderbergers” etc…. Alex appeals to both the politically ignorant and the initiated fascist, whom is well-used to reading between the lines of euphemisms such as Alex employs.

It’s been a conscious goal of organised fascism to infiltrate and exploit 911 Truth. Shermer (from skeptic.com) was right when he recognised arguing with 911 Troofers was like arguing with holocaust deniers. What Shermer sadly failed to recognise was the reason there’s such similarity – it’s because both groups are (much) the same people.

I’ve spent 3 years specifically looking into this issue of fascist influence over 911 Troof and the self-styled “alternative/patriot media”. The connections are real. Organised fascism has used 911 Troof both as an outlet for its propaganda, and as a recruiting tool. Masquerading as some progressive 911 Troof movement has granted organised fascism a route into even liberal and left-wing culture. That’s a big part of its function – for fascism of course. The hope for fascism was that this drip-drip of far-right propaganda would eventually have an effect, and surely it has, most especially on the unsuspecting and politically naiive. What a success for fascism?

911 Troof, prisonplanet, alex jones, mike rivero etc – they all handle the accusations with censorship, mostly. I hope this video of Alex Jones brownshirting a little woman reporter is widely publicised, and hopefully the scales will fall off a few peoples’ eyes, and maybe help others realise quite how much the darkness of fascism is flowing around so many of these faux progressive groups.

Aug 27, 2008 - 3:48 pm 251. JET:

Google:

SS Liberty – False Flag attack

Operation Sentinel – NYC total surveillance plan

Alex Jones stands for Freedom and the Constitution.

Malkin thinks FEMA camps are just peachy.

my 2cents

Thank you.

Aug 27, 2008 - 4:49 pm 252. Pajamas Media » PJM Political 8/27/08: The Revolution Will Be Televised–On PJTV!:

[...] week, PJM Political producer Ed Driscoll interviews from Denver, Michelle Malkin, on her run-in with 9/11 “Truther” Alex Jones. Michelle is joined [...]

Aug 27, 2008 - 5:26 pm 253. Jake Was Here:

Ann Coulter was right — one of these days, these people are going to KILL somebody.

Aug 27, 2008 - 5:39 pm 254. FLTom:

Jones is quite obviously a clown, but one must admit the faux-ferocious expression on his face was all for show as he searched for Malkin saying, “Don’t let her leave,” sort of like when you were five and your Dad would say “I’m coming to get ya” during games of hide and seek in the living room. The whole thing was theater; even the idiot shouting “Kill Michelle Malkin” was smiling like a goof as he said it.

The incident displays the debasement of political culture in this country. All is seen through the jaded eye of Hollywood and posed for effect. Authenticity is extinct.

Aug 27, 2008 - 5:40 pm 255. Michele:

If I believed that Michelle Malkin wanted to “put us all in camps”, I sure wouldn’t be a regular reader of her blog. As it is, such charges are pathetic and immature. This guy confuses obscenity for poltical discourse.

Don’t you love how he accuses her of killing children? What do you want to bet he’s for ABORTION!

Aug 27, 2008 - 5:55 pm 256. Byron the Aussie:

***stick Cindy Sheehan into the middle of a Rush Limbaugh crowd and you’ll get pretty much the same thing***

You’re a liar.

There’s no way a ‘Rush Limbaugh crowd’ would shout ‘kill Cindy Sheehan’, and you know it.

Aug 27, 2008 - 5:59 pm 257. Winston:

I can only imagine Alex will have to find out for himself what it is like to be subjected to such behaviour. He’s kind of given the green light for it, hasn’t he? I mean – if he thinks it’s acceptable to behave like that, he can’t complain when it happens to him?

This is how violence can enter the political culture, and how “debate” is devalued.

Alex and his minions still refuse to see any problem with themselves. They take no responsibility – indeed, now we are being fed the line “it” was all about some provocateurs!

But Alex and his Troofer minions were there – as seen on the videos. Alex has only to answer for his own actions – the troofers theirs. But be clear, those actions are reprehensible enough, regardless of any peripheral provocations.

Plus, Alex’s actions towards Malkin now serve as an INVITATION for people to do it back to Alex. “Why not?” – people will understandably say…..

Of course, Alex will simply put it all to use – he makes money out of selling a basically paranoid conspiratorial worldview anyway. So it’ll just be more grist to the mill……

Aug 27, 2008 - 6:40 pm 258. JET:

Our govenment is good.
They are spending our tax dollars very wisely. They have truly been good stewards of our tax money, and we can be sure that every penny was spent in the best possible way.

It is good that habeas corpus is over. If you hadn’t done anything wrong, you wouldn’t be in court anyway. Posse comitatus was a antiquated measure. Thankfully, now, at last, our police and military can become one.

Debt and credit keeps our Dollar strong, at home and abroad.

I couldn’t be happier that I voted for Bush twice and now we have the largest government in the history of the planet earth. Size equals strength. Might is Right.

There is but one true statement in this post.

Aug 27, 2008 - 7:17 pm 259. pgilmo:

“Alex Jones *DOES* have deep connections to *ORGANISED FASCISM*”

Winston, are you kidding? So Jones, interviewed this guy who interviewed this guy… so he’s a fascist? He’s interviewed hundreds of people and that’s all you could come up with?

And whoever said they saw some threads about “anti-Semites” on an open forum, mind you, and correlating that to many of his followers is ridiculous too. Alex rarely talks about the Jewish involvement. He’s even criticized for that by the people who think its a Jewish only conspiracy. I don’t know, maybe they are trying to infiltrate with their dis-info.

But Alex and Rivero aren’t anti-Semite. They are anti-Zionist, and Zionism is not a race. It is an ideology, and one in which many Jews have recognized as being a supremacist ideology itself. Zionism is nothing more than a Jewish cultural supremacy. This is a fact, no matter how much Zionists themselves howl.

Throwing around terms like anti-semite or fascist is nothing more than an attempt to minimize the message by attacking the messenger.

Aug 27, 2008 - 7:23 pm 260. Buck Smith:

Ann Coulter was right — one of these days, these people are going to KILL somebody.

I don’t think so, not the American Left. They have a very comfortable life. They have tenure or a path to it or are sleeping with someone who does. The crowd was shouting “Kill Michelle Malkin” and they had the numbers to do it. But it’s all posing. That same scene played out in Karachi or Teheran or Bekaa Valley could end in murder.

The hardcore anti-American American left are poseurs, they talk tough but they are enervated pacifists. I have made fun of Obama by describing his strategy as “If we just talk to our enemies, engage in a sincere dialog, maybe they will kill us last” As Wretchard has noted that really is strategy of the hardcore anti-American left.

Obsessed with guilt over “crimes” of the West, they long to see the West’s defender destroyed, even by the hand of a culture that practices slavery as we speak, stones women to death for adultery, hangs teenage boys for homosexual acts and deliberately kills civilians all over the world. What is really crazy is that after the West’s defenders are destroyed, they are next and they know it.

Aug 27, 2008 - 7:26 pm 261. jonB:

Wow, I bet this Alex Jones guy beats his wife and kids (that is, if he is not gay).

Aug 27, 2008 - 8:23 pm 262. axiom:

To Chuck and other brainwashed dolts:
Your govt loves you ,they would never lie to you , they have your best interests at heart ,
False flags never exist , intelligence agencies never resort to trickery, conspiracies never have and never will exist .
we have a real democracy with real choice between to opposing parties.
Govt spends our taxes wisely ,only ever fighting just wars.
Our media informs us and tells us what is really going on in the world , with healthy debate from all sides.
And anyone who doesnt agree with all this must be a moonbat loon.

Wake up , you goddam programmed idiots !

Aug 27, 2008 - 10:28 pm 263. Winston:

it seems you’ve already said that

well, publish it then!!!!!!!!!?????????
——————
pgilmo: Throwing around terms like anti-semite or fascist is nothing more than an attempt to minimize the message by attacking the messenger.
———-
Don’t pretend that anti-semitism and fascism do not exist. THEY DO. Hence the terms. OK?

Jones’ associations with fascism are much closer than just “interviewing someone who interviewed a fascist.”

Jones WORKS WITH and PROMOTES Big Jim Tucker. Big Jim Tucker is closely associated with perhaps north america’s leading anti-semite and far-right extremist.

Wake up?

So Jones isn’t anti-semitic? But let’s be fair – he doesn’t have to be, does he? He speaks in age-old euphemisms of anti-semitism – bankers, business elites, blah blah – it’s all in there.

And I did say AJ was particularly careful about what he writes. The people he associates with, the people he employs, the people he promotes are NOT so careful.

And how do you know Rivero is not an anti-semite? He promotes anti-semitic perspectives – he promotes conferences of the far-right – holocaust denial – ernst zundel etc

Rivero promotes Curt Maynard. Are you telling me Curt Maynard is NOT an overtly violent racist? Are you really claiming Maynard does not peddle a worldwide jewish conspiracy, or call for “a cull of the nigger herd”?

Yet Rivero interviewed this guy – Rivero hosts articles b Maynard – Rivero links to Maynard time again……….EVEN to a Swedish National Socialist (NAZI) march……

So please – spare me the crud about Rivero being above all that muck – he is not.

Aug 27, 2008 - 11:35 pm 264. David:

At 08:13 in the video I am certain that the woman in red spits on Michelle, disgusting!!! See if you can see it too, that is assault.

Aug 27, 2008 - 11:36 pm 265. hawksp2000:

Oh my God are these people on the left nuts? Do you have any doubt what they’re capable of when the right has no voice because of the lefts perverted idea of the 1st amendment (which is, my cause is true and you’re evil just so shut the f*** up and listen to me)Watch out because the Fairness Doctraine is coming if this socialist movement gets it’s way.

Do you have any doubt what they’re capable of when they are completely in power? The party of peace and love was shouting “Kill Michelle Malkin.” If anything ever happened to her because of a nutcase like that…

God help him!

Aug 27, 2008 - 11:42 pm 266. David:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJPHyKEQP94

At 2:34 to 2:35 this Alex character definately calls out to kill Malkin, check it out, it is even his own video, soneome should copy that pronto.

Aug 27, 2008 - 11:54 pm 267. axiom:

David it was the guy in green who said that

Aug 28, 2008 - 12:11 am 268. David:

It really does sound like his voice, but he could be saying Michelle too and the way the sound was picked up with the people jostling etc., I am not saying its definately him, but the voice is similar.

What do you think of the spitting incident in the PJM video? She could be sneezing, but it looks like she is pulling spittle into her gob before hand.

Aug 28, 2008 - 1:34 am 269. David:

It may have been, but the voice sounded the same, it could have been him saying Michelle though and the sound getting distorted by the jostling and movement.

I am more bothered by the woman in the PJM video, she is evidently gathering spittle before letting fly, what do you think?

Aug 28, 2008 - 1:37 am 270. axiom:

DAVID , SURELY ANY RIGHT MINDED PERSON WOULD OBJECT TO WHAT MALKIN ADVOCATES RATHER THAN GET DISTRACTED BY SPITTLE

Aug 28, 2008 - 2:42 am 271. David:

There is no excuse for spitting on someone like that, it is a personal assault on the person of Ms Malkin and if it was me I would go to law on it. Free speach should only be constrained by what sensible, polite and law abiding society think of you and what you have said.

I do not agree with Mr Irving for example, but I reject him being jailed in Austria for it. That is an adult and mature way of dealing with free speach, sad to say we live in an interesting period when the loonies and socialist/Islamo fascists are in control…

And no need to shout, someone should have pointed that out to the person you seem to be defending too.

Aug 28, 2008 - 3:25 am 272. axiom:

thats all fine david , but as usual , you completely omit comment on malkin’s evil views on torture,internment and murder.

Aug 28, 2008 - 3:45 am 273. David:

Shall I give you my opinion on those issues:

Torture, I assume that you mean water boarding as distinct from drilling of knee caps, eyes etc. as practised by Al Queda. I accept that water boarding is torture. Now we have an issue in the legal sense of it, first of all the terrorists are not soldiers as per the Geneva convention, they are irregulars and as such have no protection under that fine treaty which is not observed by our enemies.

Now we get to the thorny issue of whether the human right of a person to not be tortured outwieghs the human rights of his potential victims to life, now if he is a known terrorist who has been up to something where does one draw the line. Its a difficult one, I would like to think that I would hold the line, but if it was a known evil man who was going to kill thousands I would have a very difficult choice to make and I would most probably use water boarding.

Internment, or even deportation, this is likely to get my comment censored. But anyway, internment of people who are out and out extremists may be necessary to protect the general population, the same can be said of deportation, but the problem gets moved elsewhere.

As people have said here internment is also a protection in certain circumstances. If the question is internment or a large number of sudden jihad actions resulting in thousands of dead in shopping malls, football stadiums etc., then followed up by a full scale civil war, or out break of revenge attacks killing innocents then my money would be on internment if the situation warrants it. Of course I have certain views on deportation, but as I am a European that is perhaps expected of me.

Murder, if you are talking about the removal of the block on state assassination of certain leaders then I might agree, though I have to say that making that judgement on who deserves life or death is a tough one, I am not big enough to be able to make that call in many areas, however, Bin Laden, Saddam and Mugabe would be on my list. Dinnerjacket would not, yet…, but once he carries out his new holocaust then why not.

If Ms Malkin had the same difficulty in talking/writing about it and even thinking about it as I just did and I am sure she did, then I could not call her evil in anyway. The question you have to ask yourself is simple, do you really think someone is evil for talking about such issues and expressing difficult views but does not in anyway gain from such activities apart from protection, really evil, I reject your notion that she is evil, I do not want to see torture, internment or even murder, but when we are in a war situation against people who have no moral restriction on their actions, perhaps even worse a moral imperative to carry out such actions, whre do you draw a line.

Of course well intentioned people can become evil, pride cometh before the fall, but from what I have read of this person who you define as evil she is anything but. Learn to discriminate, it might just save your life.

Aug 28, 2008 - 4:46 am 274. axiom:

,,and david, alex and i need to shout sometimes as many seem deaf to the truth or what i term , willful ignorance.

Aug 28, 2008 - 4:55 am 275. Chuck Pelto:

TO: pgilmo
RE: Zionism

….Zionism is not a race. It is an ideology, and one in which many Jews have recognized as being a supremacist ideology itself. Zionism is nothing more than a Jewish cultural supremacy. — pgilmo

I know a number of Hebrews from all over. They all support Israel. Not ONE of them is a ’supremacist’. In other words, your words ring false to my experience.

RE: Anit-’Zionism’

But Alex and Rivero aren’t anti-Semite. They are anti-Zionist, and Zionism is not a race. — pgilmo

This is mere obfuscation. So much dust thrown into the air.

All the anti-Zionists I’ve seen are really anti-semitic. They use this sort of re-direction as a magician uses smoke and mirrors. In truth, I consider them anti-semantic when they try this sort of mis-direction. It’s like the abortionists, “We’re not for killing babies. We’re pro-Choice.”

Go peddle your bogus illusions elsewhere. They don’t sell, let alone ‘wash’, here.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out.]

Aug 28, 2008 - 4:56 am 276. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Buck Smith
RE: Hardly

I don’t think so, not the American Left. They have a very comfortable life. They have tenure or a path to it or are sleeping with someone who does. — Buck Smith

None of the people in those videos looked like college professors. They looked like bums and they acted like the sort of people you were thinking of when you said….

That same scene played out in Karachi or Teheran or Bekaa Valley could end in murder. — Buck Smith

I recall seeing such crowd shouting such things in the streets of Teheran in ‘79. In that situation, the mullahs were the ‘college professors’ you’re thinking of here.

When their frustration reaches the point that they are dissatisfied with just shouting and threatening, they’ll actually do it.

Care to place a little wager?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[I bet after seeing them, George Washington would sue us for calling him "father." -- Will Rogers (updated and paraphrased)]

Aug 28, 2008 - 5:16 am 277. Chuck Pelto:

TO: pgilmo
RE: See What I Mean?

pgilmo: Throwing around terms like anti-semite or fascist is nothing more than an attempt to minimize the message by attacking the messenger. — Winston

Others see through your feeble efforts as well.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Prevaricator, n., A liar in the larval stage of development.]

Aug 28, 2008 - 5:18 am 278. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Buck Smith
RE: Evidence Supporting My Point

…SURELY ANY RIGHT MINDED PERSON WOULD OBJECT TO WHAT MALKIN ADVOCATES RATHER THAN GET DISTRACTED BY SPITTLE —

As I was telling you (above), these people are quite capable of murdering those who disagree with them. ‘axiom’ provides proof of that in his comment that people who disagree with his ilk are worthy of physical assault. I serious think he wouldn’t have minded if someone had thrown a rock. His utter disregard for people who have opinions other than his own as well as his proclivity to go into ad homs and typographical histrionics are additional evidence.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. I wish he’d stop screaming and slobbering long enough to wipe the spittle of his monitor and realize he’s got the caps-lock on.

Aug 28, 2008 - 5:31 am 279. Chuck Pelto:

P.P.S. I wonder if axiom, who said….

…SURELY ANY RIGHT MINDED PERSON WOULD OBJECT TO WHAT MALKIN ADVOCATES RATHER THAN GET DISTRACTED BY SPITTLE — axiom

If they were in Denver, would be gathering poopy bombs and loading their pee-shooters. And I wonder, would they be happily using such Weapons of Mass Distraction (WMDs) on Michelle and others.

Well….actually, I don’t…..

Aug 28, 2008 - 5:37 am 280. David:

so axiom how does what I just wrote on those thorny issues mesh with Ms Malkin, I owuld be very happy to receive some education to improve my wilful ignorance.

Aug 28, 2008 - 5:57 am 281. axiom:

the war on terror is a complete and utter fraud , so all your rationale based on this phony war are obsolete.

where are all these so called terrorists ?
pakistan ? saudi ?
certainly not iraq !
war on iraq based on pure lies .
lies that have murdered a million plus .
a huge war crime .
the anthrax attacks , blamed on arabs , originated from usa , not an arab in sight !

why are some of the so called 19 hijackers still alive ?
why were the bin laden family flown out of usa day after 9/11 ?
why did 9/11 and 7/7 both occur on days of a drill for similar type attack ?
why did bush,cheney and rice ,all say flying planes into buildings was unheard of , when documented cases exist ?
why no realised footage of plane hitting pentagon ?
why no official forensic inquest into 9/11 ?
why did it take nist 7 yrs to come up with reason for wtc7 collapse , concluding it was “thermal expansion” ?
why did osama deny being behind attack , only well known faked videos confessing ?
why did bush say in sept 01 he will never stop hunting down bin laden ,letting him escape tora bora, only to say 6 mths later it was not a concern whether he was caught or not ?
how did cave dweller controlled boozing boxcutters defeat trillion dollar defense system, with cheney angrily repeating stand down orders, and intercepting planes flying out in wrong direction over the atlantic ?

where are all these terrorists ?
are they the bounty hunted non convicted goat herders in gitmo ?
are they the shampoo bombers , the shoe bomber ?
LOL

Where are all these convicted terrorists ??
i thought they were such a threat that we had to suspend parts of our constitution ?
where are they ? in iraq ? no , they are fighting to kick out the invaders!

look, you really have to be very brainwashed ,not to see some inconsistencies here .

but i guess you can just repeat your mantra :
Your govt loves you ,they would never lie to you , they have your best interests at heart ,
False flags never exist , intelligence agencies never resort to trickery, conspiracies never have and never will exist .
we have a real democracy with real choice between to opposing parties.
Govt spends our taxes wisely ,only ever fighting just wars.
Our media informs us and tells us what is really going on in the world , with healthy debate from all sides.

Aug 28, 2008 - 6:32 am 282. axiom:

0h , and if there is such a threat from terrorists , why are the borders wide open ??

lol

will anything make you look twice at your preconceived notions ??

Aug 28, 2008 - 6:41 am 283. axiom:

winston you seem to ignore the fact that many jews oppose zionism

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com

Aug 28, 2008 - 6:42 am 284. axiom:

and a bit more historical info for you brainwashed bootlickers

go study how al qaeda was formed !

you might find brzezinski was behind it !

you might also find it was a cia creation , with tim osman one of its operatives .

but , hey , dont let facts get in the way of your hate propaganda !

Aug 28, 2008 - 6:46 am 285. Thomas Biernesser-Capitalist Infidel:

Although I admit that some of the MM-supporting comments are raving & without reason, an interesting trend in these comments is that only MM’s defenders seem to have any facts or logic-those who are against her only have random ravings that amount to “she gets wet thinking about liberals being locked up” (Ken Hall, at least you were brave enough to put up what I think is your full name) & “She thinks torture & camps are good” (theo669, you coward).

A clear-cut case of bigotry, fear, & hatred.

Aug 28, 2008 - 6:52 am 286. David:

Axiom, wow, where to start, well perhaps this, I am a European, I know that my governments (use of the s is deliberate) hate me, lie to me and certainly do not have my best interests at heart, nor that of my wife and children. They certainly do not spend our taxes wisely and wastes our money like confetti. I am very aware of just how much the media is controlled by my governments; take the grant given to the BBC by the EU for example.

There are very few terrorists left in Iraq, we agree, those that are left are being hunted down by Iraqis.

What was the lie on Iraq, the lack of WMD’s, well some recent information came to light not least the info on stockpiles of uranium… And the
lie was perhaps Saddam who was trying to frighten Iran away from attacking him, never stopped to figure that one, information on this is still not coming out of course.

None of the 19 Hijackers are alive.

No idea about the Bin Laden family, is it important? Personally if a member of my family had just attacked the USA and I was in the USA, I would get the hell out just in case…

No idea on you 9/11 and 7/7 drills, is it important? But I had a friend seriously injured in 7/7

I saw footage of the plane passing a camera just before hitting the Pentagon.

It takes years to analyse such a huge amount of rubble to ascertain cause.

As far as I am aware Bin Laden has not denied carrying out the attack and has in fact let it be known that he did.

I have entertained the possibility that Bin Laden is a double agent, possible but unlikely.

As far as I can work out boxcutters defeated a couple of stewardesses.

Our borders are wide open as there is no political will to control them

Al Queda is the militant arm of the Muslim Brotherhood, you might find that the CIA did supply help in defeating the Russians, so what?

The Anthrax attack, no idea and don’t care much.

The War on Terror is a joke, how can you be at war with a tactic. We are at war with a hate filled ideology that has a moralistic so called god directed directive to kill us, does that work? And it is not the Christians…

Aug 28, 2008 - 7:22 am 287. axiom:

Alex Jones has just announced that unless pajama media retract the defamation , [b]he will sue[/b] .

He has sued 4 times in the past , winning each time .

So this is very serious.
Alex Jones [b]does not play games[/b].

It is imperative that you retract your article .

I would ask you to take this extremely seriously .

Aug 28, 2008 - 10:40 am 288. mk122:

You can see that Alex Jones did not assault anybody from this video, other than push that one dude who was in his face out of his way.. and it looked like he was shoving against Alex!!! This is completely biased, fraudulent and inflammatory, and falsely accuses AJ of assault! Viewers of this video, LOOK at what you see, don’t let the subtitles and commentary decieve you!

Aug 28, 2008 - 10:57 am 289. cjack:

I’ve watched the video and it seems P-jays are misrepresenting the events. Alex Jones is not the one chanting “kill Michelle Malkin”. Also, how come everyone keeps calling Alex Jones a “Lefty”? As far as I know his philosophy is more in line with true conservatives who believe in less government control and more individual freedom. Just so we are clear the socialist liberals and the neocons (AKA national socialists) have united for big government, big brother, corporate fascism and trampling our constitution. Anyway, Michelle and the P-jays crew have completely discredited themselves with this one.

Aug 28, 2008 - 11:14 am 290. James:

All you Malkin lovers who think it was cute that you put out the lie that Jones said “Kill Michelle Malkin” (which was refuted by live streaming video before you even started the lie) are going to love the libel suit over “Dallas Morning News Libels Alex Jones” if the lawsuit goes forward if the page one retraction doesn’t happen.

Aug 28, 2008 - 11:21 am 291. axiom:

MARK DAVIS OF THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS STATED EXPLICITLY THAT “ALEX JONES SHOUTED KILL MM”
A SLAM DUNK CASE OF DEFAMATION.
SO TIME FOR THE RETRACTIONS AND APOLOGIES !

DONT MESS WITH ALEX JONES OR HIS LEGION OF TRUTH WARRIORS !

WE ARE ON THE MARCH !

http://www.infowars.com

Aug 28, 2008 - 12:39 pm 292. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: Typical ‘Progressive’

All you Malkin lovers who think it was cute that you put out the lie that Jones said “Kill Michelle Malkin”… — James

I think the thread’s initial comment makes it clear that they are not saying Alex Jones said, “Kill Michelle Malkin”, but these cretins don’t seem to recognize that SOMEONE is shouting it.

Let Alex Jones sue. It’ll make GREAT copy that these people are murderous at heart when that video get’s wider dissemination during the course of the trial.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out.]

P.S. Despite the efforts of these drop-outs from the Goebbels’ School of Journalism.

Aug 28, 2008 - 1:00 pm 293. Liberatemysurpressedrights:

Does ANYONE even try to research an article or blog before making accusations?!?! Yes Alex was harsh, but so is this manipulated video. Alex is NOT a leftist or radical. He denounces BOTH Mccain AND Obama. The jackhole NOT affiliated with Alex is chanting “Kill Michelle Malkin”. Nor is Alex affiliated with the idiots trying to raise the mint! Yes Alex was way harsh, but what do you expect out of passion for the truth. OHH, Alex didn’t let Michelle get a word in edge-wise. Ever try to call into her show with an opposing view? B/c you won’t be allowed on air. How’s that for a fair debate? Alex stands for TRUTH, JUSTICE, AND LIBERTY. I’m truly sorry for anyone who thinks racial profiling or torture is viable for the defence of America. I love my country, the land of liberty and freedom, words that Malkin steps on.

Aug 28, 2008 - 1:32 pm 294. Winston:

What Alex’s “legion of truth warriors” refuse to see is how disgusting Alex (and their) behaviour was.

It’s classic brownshirting – of a little woman for chrissakes!

What Alex’s “legion” also gloss-over is Alex’s own associations with racists and fascists. It is NO SURPRISE to see Alex and his “legion” act like this – it’s merely a reflection of how much of an inroad fascism has made into 911 troof.

Anyone condoning Alex’s behaviour is saying such behaviour is acceptable – and that ALL OF US must endure it.

That’s debasing liberty and freedom of expression – it’s condoning brownshirting – condoning the mobbing of even a little woman reporter.

And look how ridiculous AJ’s minions arguments are? Anyone defending Malkin is tarred with the same brush – as if one MUST support Malkin’s views if one finds her treatment at the hands of these thugs to be disgusting. I don’t agree with her, but I think AJ’s behaviour was DISGUSTING.

It’s tantamount to instigating violence. WHO the hell should have to put up with such disgusting behaviour?

People condoning such behaviour are condoning BROWNSHIRTING. No surprise – they buy into the rest of fascism, why not brownshirting?

I mean – look: now we are into arguments about jews/zionism……..

That these arguments about jews are never far away from Alex’s worldview – nor that of his minions – should tell you something.

Alex is careful about what he says – his supporters less so. Go read the comments pages at prisonplanet – go read the comments accompanying people posting Alex’s crappy articles across the entire ‘net?

Anti-semitism abounds. AJs followers are less careful than Alex about their anti-semitism. It’s clear Alex’s audience KNOW what he means when he says “bankers, globalists, elites” – he means “JOOOOOOS”

And when Alexs says the country has been “hijacked” – again, this is code for “jooooos” – neocon jews.

Who are the business elites Alex goes on about? His audience understands he means “undue jooooish influence” in media, politics, business….

Who are the bankers Alex goes on about? Alex’s audience understands he means “JOOOOOS”.
——————

Alex follows the pattern of Willis Carto and Big Jim Tucker’s Spotlight newspaper – a far-right rag that subtly insinuated anti-semitism into contemporary political issues.

Alex even today works WITH Big Jim Tucker. Tucker features on the website, and in the films – notably in the deadly dull ENDGAME.

So why doesn’t Alex “do a Malkin” on Big Jim Tucker?

Because part of the scheme is to deflect suspicions of fascism onto others. How can AJ and co be fascists when they attack Malkin for being a fascist? See? But it’s mere obfuscation – and the politically naiive and deceitful refuse to see it.

So – the chrges of fascism against Alex Jones (and his minions) are REAL:

—- Alex associates and works with people with close ties to organised fascism (eg big jim tucker/willis carto, Mike Rivero/Curt Maynard/Carto)
—- Alex uses age-old euphemisms to cover his anti-semitism.
—- Alex propagates the hitler-ite fantasy of (jewish) world conspiracy
—- Alex employs brownshirting tactics to intimidate and shout down opposition
—- Alex employs deception, distortion, manipulation – he bends reality to his worldview, rather than adjusts his own view to reality. Fascism, as Eco says, is irrational, and unable to make accurate analysis.
—- Alex’s myriad sites employ strict censorship, and brook no opposition. Disagreement is “traitorous”.
—- Alex rails against capitalism, but is a capitalist. Just like a good fascist. But he also opposes socialism – just like a good fascist should. So what’s his problem with capitalism then? His problem is “corrupt capitalism” – ie JEWISH CAPITALISM. Nationalist american capitalism is fine……
——————————

And ultimately – what does Alex tell his “legion” to do about this supposed impending prisonplanet? BUY A VIDEO!!! ROFL.

Oh – and another thing: Alex makes great use of George Orwell – a noted, and self-avowed socialist.

Alex has stolen Orwell’s iconography – Alex uses Orwell’s vision – yet Alex insists socialism is part of this NWO seeking to impose 1984 conditions. Alex blames socialism!

But Orwell was a socialist. So, if socialists want this NWO/1984/police state crap…..and Orwell was a socialist – then Alex must think that Orwell WANTED 1984 to happen!

And who can believe that? It’s preposterous!

Aug 28, 2008 - 1:36 pm 295. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: Another County Heard From

Alex is NOT a leftist or radical. — Liberatemysurpressedrights

He’s certainly something. And we’ve been over all of this so many times in this thread alone.

How very odd that Liberatemysurpressedrights doesn’t realize that. Why? Because he said, immediately before that statement….

Does ANYONE even try to research an article or blog before making accusations?!?! — Liberatemysurpressedrights

If they’d bothered to take their own advice, I suspect they might have realized the vast majority of already think that Alex was not the one fomenting murder…verbally. Maybe physically, with his menancing nature of approaching and screaming at Michelle. But that’s another matter and I do hope that someone has talked to the Denver DA about C.R.S. 18-3-206. Menacing….

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Who are these people? And how did they get to be so stupid?]

Aug 28, 2008 - 1:41 pm 296. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Liberatemysurpressedrights
RE: Yeah…. Right….

Alex stands for TRUTH, JUSTICE, AND LIBERTY. — Liberatemysurpressedrights

….that came out LOUD AND CLEAR in the videos.

• Truth – Telling lies about Malkin
• Justice – Menacing people much smaller and of less vicious a temperment then themselves
• Liberty – Driving people away

The only thing you left out was ‘Peace’. But that would be pushing it entirely TOO far now, wouldn’t it….

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Nothing can bring you peace but yourself. Nothing can bring you peace but the triumph of principles. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson]

P.S. It is my considered opinion that Alex Jones violated all the principles you claim he supports and I have the evidence on video to prove it.

Aug 28, 2008 - 1:46 pm 297. axiom:

ASK MARK DAVIS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU LIE ABOUT ALEX JONES !

Aug 28, 2008 - 1:52 pm 298. Malkin Threatened « Something should go here, maybe later.:

[...] 29, 2008 by scrubone This is very serious. While NRT’s recent claims that the right are responsible for deaths linked recently to an [...]

Aug 28, 2008 - 2:08 pm 299. Dave:

For those who think it’s ‘fair’ for ’somebody else to have his views heard’ besides Michelle, I highly recommend writing a freakin’ BOOK, like she does.

A loud bullying jerk making the same point seventy five times over and over again, ruining everything for everybody, including the people nearby who had nothing to DO with MM and were trying to conduct a protest of their OWN…. that’s just craven.

Dude is a big time coward. I haven’t read that book but I’m off to buy it.

It’s my belief that for her, a child of filipino immigrants, to rationally examine the case for the internment camps of WWII takes courage and forthrightness. Most people of her background are instinctively against such things. She is bold for taking on the subject, and that Jones dude is utterly unimpressive. IF that’s the way he conducts all his arguments, it’s no WONDER america hasn’t really ever heard of him.

Aug 28, 2008 - 3:14 pm 300. Dave:

Plus, its obvious from all his attention to cameras and microphones that the bottom line in his obnoxious behavior is self-promotion, trying to get in front of enough cameras to end up on TV and generate interest in his radio puke. He isn’t really angry, he’s just chosen anger as his way of getting noticed.

I’ll take rationality over anger any time.

Aug 28, 2008 - 3:16 pm 301. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: Heh

Isn’t Michelle a member of PJM’s stable?

Maybe Alex Jones should become one too.

It would be VERY interesting to see the two of them in a He-Said/She-Said situation after this weeks events.

And I think I could safely wager who would be the better debater in such exchanges. After all….

….screaming at the top of your lungs nor imposing bulk of adipose tissue don’t come across in this medium.

Only force of argument…..

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Discussion: To convince others in the error of their ways.]

Aug 28, 2008 - 3:43 pm 302. William Squire:

You know… I don’t really care whether Michelle said or did horrible things. The asshat in this video is guilty of something rather obvious… Keep in mind, your rights END when your exercise infringes on the rights of another. Is it his right to speak his mind? You bet. Is it his right to speak it in such a way that Michelle is denied the ability to be unthreatened, in a public place, engaging in lawful behavior? Absolutely not. Like it or not, this IS typical lefty-extremist behavior. He has clearly denied Michelle her rights as an American. It was his goal, and the police should have intervened – just like they did before the convention when Denver SWAT teams had to control the liberal protesters. The shoving witnessed in the video is clearly assault. It baffles me how these angry ignorant leftists actually want people to believe that they stand for peace and the protection of our rights.

Aug 28, 2008 - 4:06 pm 303. Chuck Pelto:

TO: William Squire, et al.
RE: Not So!

Keep in mind, your rights END when your exercise infringes on the rights of another. — William Squire

At least not in the eyes of the likes of Alex Jones and his defenders here. To them, the ‘ends justify the means’. Hence axiom’s comment about physical assault on those who disagree with is justifiable.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[There's a storm coming.]

Aug 28, 2008 - 4:12 pm 304. Chuck Pelto:

P.S. An epiphany….

….these people are behaving in EXACTLY the same manner as the islamofascists. The only thing they have not resorted to….yet….is murder. But I’m confident that will come in due time.

Aug 28, 2008 - 4:13 pm 305. Winston:

And for those of you who think there is such a difference between Alex Jones and Michelle Malkin – that Alex might be a liberal, or a leftie – here’s some news:

Michelle Malkin and Alex Jones SHARE very similar views on IMMIGRATION.

BOTH Malkin and Jones make a deal about Mexican immigration – both strongly feature La Raza.

BOTH Jones and Malkin parrot the same perspective on IMMIGRATION.

And yet Malkin is the racist fascist, eh?

Strange?

Jones supports Jim Gilchrist’s Minutemen – hardly a liberal cause. Indeed – it’s born out of american far-right and patriot movement, which of course has links to Christian Identity movement, eliminationism, etc…….it’s an american NATIONALIST movement – with racist tinge.

This is Gilchrist AT prisonplanet, defending The Minutemen from accusations of racism and thuggery:

“Navarrette is a clever wordsmith. Under the penumbra of supporting free speech, he creates a wholly fictitious connection between The Minuteman Project and the Nazis who wanted to march in Skokie, Illinois, in the late 1970s, leading his uncritical readers to false assumptions and conclusions. Navarrette calls The Minuteman Project viewpoint “offensive speech” and says the project promotes inaccuracy, intolerance and idiocy.

Navarrette insults Minuteman Project volunteers by calling them a posse who “prowl the U.S.-Mexico border chasing Mexicans — admittedly not an easy thing to do when you’re carrying a lawn-chair and a cooler of beer.” He claims minutemen and women are “hooligans,” “yahoos” and “wannabes who play cop.”"
http://www.infowars.com/articles/immigration/minuteman_project_gear_up_mainstream.htm

And here’s Malkin, speaking of the same Minutemen:

“the usually rational Professor Steve Bainbridge, who tars the Minuteman Project and its pro-immigration enforcement supporters as “nuts” guilty of “nativism” and racism.”
http://michellemalkin.com/2005/05/01/stop-smearing-the-minutemen/

——————

So Malkin (the supposed racist fascist) supports the same views (minutemen agenda) as Jones does. Malkin has a whole section of her blog on it – Jones also heavily features La Raza and Latino immigration.

So explain that, Jones’ minions? How is Malkin “a racist fascist” but Jones not, when they appear to support the same policy over immigration? ROFL.

And likewise for Malkin’s supporters – how does it feel to share an agenda with Jones and his ilk? Jones and his ilk are part of Malkins constituency! ROFL.

See – both Malkin and Jones are rightwing – and both have come out of this incident blaming the left. Oh – big shock!

And we’re supposed to think it was all a product of the left? Left-wing agitation? When it was jones’ disgrace for attacking his fellow anti-immigrationist and minuteman supporter, Malkin……for being a racist! haha

Aug 28, 2008 - 5:20 pm 306. Winston:

@Dave – I agree.

I’ve read some of Malkin’s book, and she’s certainly brave to take it on from the perspective she holds.

I disagree with her – for the same reasons I disagree with Alex Jones whom appears to share her views on the issue.

I disagree – because I’m a leftie, I’m for open-borders, I’m anti-nationalist etc etc.

Jones is certainly NOT a leftie/liberal. Some proof is in views on immigration – shared with Malkin. Why are Malkin’s views “rightwing” – but Alex’s “leftwing”? Clearly, Alex is NOT leftwing.

So what other views do Jones and Malkin share, other than immigration, of course?

Aug 28, 2008 - 5:32 pm 307. Curtism:

Chuck Pelto your less then the intellect of a toddler. Let’s rationally discuss that! As for this incident, Alex was no threat to Maulkin or anyone else. That incident was as threatening as Mike, 8 posts in, saying he would beat someone up over the Internet. Misusing the term “islamofascists”, Chuck, only shows your lack of intellect. You not only insinuate the likely hood the US is fighting a religious war against Islam, you, also, alienate the moderate voices of the Muslims. Your antisemitism is disgraceful to say the least.

This was no different then Bill O’ screaming during one of his interviews and getting on his high cloud of ego.

Chuck, the statue you state would never fly in court because Alex never showed an intention to inflict bodily harm. Are you going to go for reckless endangerment next?

p.S. There’s your intuitive grasp of reality for the day, Chuck.

p.S.S Going by your blogs you are no more then an Internet troll! People need to see you for what you are. Your not a blogger in any sense of the word. You should change this website to troll hole! http://www.comensarations.info/

(I never thought I would ever have the displeasure of replying to a true troll on the Internet.)

Aug 28, 2008 - 5:47 pm 308. Winston:

Malkin and Jones both share the perspective that governments can’t, and shouldn’t run healthcare.

Jones supported (DR) Ron Paul – who stands for INCREASED PRVATISATION in healthcare.

Malkin criticises “creeping socialism in healthcare”, at her blog (and elsewhere, presumably).

No doubt they essentially share ALL the major premises of right-wing conservatives.

“small government”
“low taxes”
“private healthcare”
“strict border controls”
“private schooling”
“privatised social security”
“weak unions”
“markets”
“minimal regulation”
“property rights”
“opposition to global warming – cynicism about environmentalism”
“profit”

———–

I mean – where are the genuine differences?

Aug 28, 2008 - 5:51 pm 309. pgilmo:

Winston –

Yes, I know antisemitism and fascism exist. Thank you. Obviously I was referring to you linking them to Jones by playing six degrees of Kevin Bacon.

He “works with and promotes” Tucker because he has been researching and following The Bilderberg Group for around 30 years. Are you saying Jones should not associate with Tucker or Rivero because they associate with someone that has a different racial ideology? I’m not supporting them, but that doesn’t make all of their points invalid.

And you’re completely wrong about “age-old euphemisms”. If you would actually listen to him, you would know that he is referring to mostly the Anglo-American empire – the Rothschild/Rockefeller banking dynasties etc. Are there some Jewish/Zionist involvement? Yes, but that’s NOT antisemitism (prejudice against or hostility toward Jews as a group). They are just going where the info leads them. They are not against Jews as a whole, but Zionists and Israel’s policies. Contrary to the propaganda put out by Israel’s supporters, Israel is NOT supported by the majority of the world’s Jewish people. And why not accuse him of being anti-german or anti-british while you’re at it too?

“—- Alex associates and works with people with close ties to organised fascism (eg big jim tucker/willis carto, Mike Rivero/Curt Maynard/Carto)
—- Alex uses age-old euphemisms to cover his anti-semitism.
—- Alex propagates the hitler-ite fantasy of (jewish) world conspiracy
—- Alex employs brownshirting tactics to intimidate and shout down opposition
—- Alex employs deception, distortion, manipulation – he bends reality to his worldview, rather than adjusts his own view to reality. Fascism, as Eco says, is irrational, and unable to make accurate analysis.
—- Alex’s myriad sites employ strict censorship, and brook no opposition. Disagreement is “traitorous”.
—- Alex rails against capitalism, but is a capitalist. Just like a good fascist. But he also opposes socialism – just like a good fascist should. So what’s his problem with capitalism then? His problem is “corrupt capitalism” – ie JEWISH CAPITALISM. Nationalist american capitalism is fine……”

Pretty much all lies. There is no evidence that he propagates a Jewish conspiracy. His followers you claim that do this actually hate him because Alex won’t promote their dis-info.

“Brownshirting tactics” (non-violent, unless in self defense) are sometimes necessary in this info war to get the info out – since the corporate owned media won’t cover these topics.

Strict censorship??? ANOTHER LIE.

Capitalist? First of all his movies are FREE online. So what that he sells videos? How else is he supposed to fight these people? Is he gonna pay for his staff, websites and products with nothing?

Aug 28, 2008 - 6:07 pm 310. Winston:

@pgilmo

lol – you say

“He {AJ} “works with and promotes” Tucker because he has been researching and following The Bilderberg Group for around 30 years. Are you saying Jones should not associate with Tucker or Rivero because they associate with someone that has a different racial ideology? I’m not supporting them, but that doesn’t make all of their points invalid.”

LOL – Alex’s minions are defending his brownshirt bootboy tactics by claiming Malkin is a racist.

DID YOU MISS THAT????

If it’s ok to come over like a thug against little ole Malkin because she’s “supposedly racist” – how can you explain away Alex Jones WORKING WITH PEOPLE WHO PROMOTE SELF AVOWED *GENUINE* RACISTS AND FASCISTS?

Why doesn’t Alex give Rivero or Tucker the bootboy tactics too? Why does he instead EMPLOY THEM – BROADCAST THEM _ PROMOTE THEM – PAY THEM?

Aug 28, 2008 - 6:24 pm 311. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Curtism
RE: You Think So?

Chuck Pelto your less then the intellect of a toddler. — Curtism

Click on my name, buckie.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Artificial Intelligence is no match for natural stupidity.]

Aug 28, 2008 - 6:32 pm 312. J:

The whole staged affair was done so people like Malkin (and those that run this site) can record and comment on how “nutty” anyone who protests is. The idea is to link protesting government actions with these phonies. Can’t believe they didn’t pull out Lee Harvey Oswald to lead that parade for the cameras.

However, they didn’t count on legitimate protester Alex Jones to show up and call Malkin on her many lies.

The kid in the green shirt is the one yelling for the crowd to “kill Malkin” as wells as yelling “Alex Jones works for the Government.” He also ran up to Alex to pretend to be his “big fan” so that you people could photo them together.

Apologies need to go out to Alex for linking him with these nitwits who are there doing a job for people like Malkin. No apology is needed for Malkin, however. She has lied and instigated so much vile tripe in her life that she certainly needed to be called on it. Good job Alex.

Aug 28, 2008 - 6:35 pm 313. Winston:

@pgilmo

Big Jim Tucker is just ONE of Alex’s connections with the extremist american far-right.

Wiki says of Tucker:
After working for various newspapers, Tucker started writing for the controversial newspaper The Spotlight in the early 70’s until its closure in 2001. The paper was often accused of being anti-Semitic by Jewish organizations such as the Anti-Defamation League due primarily to it being founded and owned by Willis Carto, whom the ADL claims promotes anti-Semitic and Nazi ideals. Shortly after the paper’s closure, Tucker and many former Spotlight employees founded the similarly-toned American Free Press.
——————————

Now – why would Tucker continue an association with Willis Carto, if he found Carto so objectionable? Clearly Tucker does NOT find continued association with Carto a problem.

And Jones uses Tucker, over and over.

How come both Carto AND Jones see value in Tucker? I don’t.

Here’s some FACTS to digest about this connection Jones has with fascism and racism – Willis Carto: it also addresses your NAIIVE insistence that euphemisms are NOT part of anti-semitism.

“Willis Carto has been called a “shadowy figure” who is “largely responsible for the preservation of anti-Semitism as a movement,” according to the Center for Democratic Renewal (CDR), formerly known as the National Anti-Klan Network.
….
He (CARTO) supported the “Joint Council for Repatriation,” a “Back-to-Africa” white racist group. He was affiliated with the racist “National Alliance for White People,” as well as “Americans for National Security,” the “United Congressional Appeal,” and the “Save our Schools” group. All of these were rabidly white supremacist, anti-civil rights, racist organizations.
…….
The common theme woven throught Carto’s organzations and their publications were/are code words, heavily laced with the typical paranoid conspiracy theories alleging an ongoing, supposedly secret history to the world involving an extended, centuries-old plot by Jews to take over the world, destroy Christianity, destroy the Constitution, and enslave gentiles to do the work of a Jewish elite who would rule the world, as per (Christian interpreted) Biblical prophecies. According to the conspiracy-minded writers, this plot extended back in time to include the Knights Templars, the Illuminati, Freemasons, Jacobins, and other similar “secret societies.”
…..
The theme of white (or “Aryan”) supremacy is infused throughout Carto’s hate-mongering affiliations. You just have to know that words like “Zionist,” “international bankers,” “ZOG,” (Zionist Occupational Government). “alien other,” and other similar code-words, all mean the same thing to the Cartos of the world: that the Jews were/are behind an alleged conspiracy to take over the world and create the ever-fabled “one-world government.”
……..
http://www.americanreview.us/carto.htm

ARE YOU STARTING TO GET IT YET?????

Aug 28, 2008 - 6:43 pm 314. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: Obviously….

The whole staged affair was done so people like Malkin (and those that run this site) can record and comment on how “nutty” anyone who protests is. — J

Some Dimocrats can’t recognize a raging success when they see it. We’re talking SERIOUS issues with a river in Egypt, here.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[One picture is worth 1,000 denials. -- Ronald Reagan]

Aug 28, 2008 - 6:51 pm 315. Winston:

Liberty Lobby continues to print a tabloid-styled newspaper, originally called “National Spotlight” which was later re-named “The Spotlight.” This is a “National Enquirer”-styled weekly publication and is currently estimated to have a circulation of about 200,000. “The Spotlight” relies heavily on anti-Federal government stories and conspiracy theories which frequently target the Federal Reserve Board as “unconstitutional,” and blames the nation’s problems on “Zionists,” ZOG, the Council on Foreign Relations, the ADL (Anti-Defamation League), the Bilderbergers, ancient plots, recent immigration, and racial mixing, among other things. Timothy McVeigh, the suspect being held for the Oklahoma City bombing, placed an ad in “The Spotlight” to sell armaments. The ADL credits “The Spotlight” as being the number-one source of hate-groups’ ideas.
…….
From Carto’s John Birch Society days until the present, he has been extremely active in promoting his own particular Nazi (not “neo-” because it was of WWII vintage, i.e., truly Nazi) ideology. Carto has been a virtual one-man hate industry in his own right, starting or buying some 40 different organizations, publishing houses, newsletters, journals, etc. Carto can be “credited” (though this word sounds much too positive) with keeping anti-Semitism alive, not only in the U.S. and Canada, but with ties to European neo-Nazi, xenophobic racist groups as well. Carto has been adept at changing his code-language to fit the times.
……
There is much overlap among Carto’s organizations and their “concerns” and those of other racist and anti-government groups, such as the militias, Christian Identity Movement, KKK, Aryan Nation, the Order, White Aryan Resistance, John Birchers, Church of Jesus Christ Christian, National Alliance, Populist Party, LaRouch, and others. These groups have addresses on the internet, fax numbers, E-mail addresses, local cable company access, etc. They have gone high-tech, using every means at their disposal to spread their cant and racist poison.
————————————–

And Alex jones repeats the same BS wholsesale – he even WORKS WITH Big Jim Tucker – of Carto’s Spotlight!

How can you just brush away such connections as if they mean nothing!? You are intent on being an apologist for fascism and racism? But isn’t that the charge Alex held against Malkin? Indeed it is. You are being taken for a ride – or you are being deceitful in pretending your ignorance of these things.

And funny how when you come to defend Alex about such accusations you suddenly come over all knowledgeable about the nuances of anti-semitism? What a coincidence, eh?

Aug 28, 2008 - 6:56 pm 316. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Winston
RE: ERRATA!!!

Timothy McVeigh, the suspect being held for the Oklahoma City bombing, placed an ad in “The Spotlight” to sell armaments — Winston

Actually. McVeigh was executed some time back. Please update your references.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Libraries: There are no answers, only cross references.]

Aug 28, 2008 - 7:04 pm 317. AirdaleABH4:

Hey lefties , we will be meeting you on your ground soon , you will run the other way like the chicken shits you really are .

Aug 28, 2008 - 7:32 pm 318. axiom:

Airdale or should that be Airhead ,
for a start we are not lefties ! you brainwashed bootlicker !
we are trying to inform you that your mantra :
“Our govt loves you ,they would never lie to us , they have our best interests at heart ,
False flags never exist , intelligence agencies never resort to trickery, conspiracies never have and never will exist .
we have a real democracy with real choice between two opposing parties.
Govt spends our taxes wisely ,only ever fighting just wars.
Our media informs us and tells us what is really going on in the world , with healthy debate from all sides.”

is an unreal way to look at the world .

and until you get reality , we will continue to fight this INFOWAR !

OTHERWISE SEE YOU AT THE NEXT CIVIL WAR !

Aug 29, 2008 - 1:45 am 319. Richard E. Poulin:

Michelle Malkin is HOT!

She should fun for President – she’d get my vote.

Aug 29, 2008 - 4:11 am 320. Curtism:

Chuck, that comment only proves my point!

Aug 29, 2008 - 5:30 am 321. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Curtism
RE: [OT] Childish Projections

Chuck, that comment only proves my point! — Curtism

Did you visit the web-site?

Show me your Mensa membership ID number and I’ll call you, “Bro”.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Albert Einstein]

Aug 29, 2008 - 6:44 am 322. pgilmo:

Winston –

I’m supporting his “brownshirt tactics” because Malkin is a liar that promotes internment camps, racial profiling and torture – and she needs to be exposed.

“how can you explain away Alex Jones WORKING WITH PEOPLE WHO PROMOTE SELF AVOWED *GENUINE* RACISTS AND FASCISTS?”

Because Jones, Rivero and Tucker are not racists and fascists and do not promote these ideas. Just because you worked with or interviewed someone doesn’t mean you agree with everything they believe.

“Why doesn’t Alex give Rivero or Tucker the bootboy tactics too? Why does he instead EMPLOY THEM – BROADCAST THEM _ PROMOTE THEM – PAY THEM?”

Do you have any common sense? Why would he bad mouth people in his own movement? It won’t do any good and will cause in-fighting. Instead, he exposes lying media whores like Malkin, a neo-fascist poster child for the fake right-wing.

As a side note, he doesn’t employ Rivero and Tucker. He rarely interviews Tucker – for info on the Bilderberg Group and interviews Rivero about once a month. Tucker was interviewed in the Bilderberg section of Engame. Not that it matters, just pointing out your deceit.

“why would Tucker continue an association with Willis Carto, if he found Carto so objectionable?”

I don’t know. Why don’t you ask him and get his side of the story? I don’t support Carto’s views on race, but I do support free speech.

And the code word theory may or may not be true regarding Carto, but don’t link that bull on to Jones. He RARELY ever talks about the Zionists.

I’m knowlegeable about the nuances of anti-semitism because idiots like you and the Jew only conspiracy people are always bringing the Jews into it.

Aug 29, 2008 - 7:58 am 323. Winston:

Prisonplanet’s doublethink now extends to claiming it was Malkin doing the jack-booting:

“….their jack-booted propagandist Fox News idols like Michelle Malkin.”

http://www.prisonplanet.com/inside-edition-smears-jones-for-malkin-confrontation.html

Amazing gall?

Of course, this is evidence of how prisonplanet fights “spin” and “mainstream media whores” etc etc……….ROFL
————————————-

How come Jones’ supporters don’t dig Malkin? Their views are actually very similar……..

Aug 29, 2008 - 8:02 am 324. TomW:

It was 3 people or so with Alex, not a mob.

Aug 29, 2008 - 8:05 am 325. Chuck Pelto:

TO: TomW
RE: Alex and the ‘Mob’

It was 3 people or so with Alex, not a mob. — TomW

Looking at Alex, I’m reminded of that dialogue from The Princes Bride….

Miracle Max [answering the door]: Go away or I’ll call the Brute Squad.
Fezzik: I’m on the Brute Squad.
Miracle Max [seeing Fezzik]: You are the Brute Squad! —

Alex would qualify in bulk, but not in terms of brawl.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[He is a mob unto himself.]

Aug 29, 2008 - 9:05 am 326. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: ERRATA!!!!

“Alex would qualify in bulk, but not in terms of brawl.” SHOULD READ….

Alex would qualify in bulk, but not in terms of brawn.

Sorry about that….

Regards,

Chuck(le)

Aug 29, 2008 - 9:12 am 327. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: Who….

….is the Guy in the Green Shirt. The one who looked like HE was the one screaming “Kill Michelle Malkin”?

And, more importantly, WHAT is his relationship to Alex Jones?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Birds....Feathers....and Flocks.....]

Aug 29, 2008 - 9:42 am 328. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Curtism
RE: Since You….

…the statue you state would never fly in court because Alex never showed an intention to inflict bodily harm. — Curtism

….re-drew my attention to your earlier post, and I’m taking a break from writing computer code [Heh....see a toddler do that, buckie. Apple will hire him and set his/her parents up for life, as well as provide for his/her advanced education.], I’ll explain the law to you.

Here is the Colorado Revised Statute, i.e., the Law in the state of Colorado….

18-3-206. Menacing.

(1) A person commits the crime of menacing if, by any threat or physical action, he or she knowingly places or attempts to place another person in fear of imminent serious bodily injury. Menacing is a class 3 misdemeanor, but, it is a class 5 felony if committed: —

The tests, as I see them, are as follows:

[1] Was the accused ‘acting’ in a ‘threatening’ or ‘physical’ manner.

That’s a big YES. Just WATCH the video.

[2] Did the subject of the action feel “fear of imminent serious bodily injury”.

Michelle appeared to be aware of an imminent threat to her person. And Alex—big guy that he is—certainly could have done her serious bodily injury, if he’d struck, or even sat on, her.

[3] Was the accused aware of what they were doing, i.e., not on drugs or drunk.

He didn’t seem suffering from impairment from the use of controlled substances. Maybe viagra, as that tends to make some people hostile. But that’s no longer a prescription drug, is it.

I think any attorney worthy of their fees could make a good case against Alex in a Colorado court of Law. And a good number of them who are trying to make their ‘mark’ in the field would find Alex and easy ‘mark’; big as he is.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Injustice is relatively easy to bear; what stings is justice. -- H. L. Mencken]

Aug 29, 2008 - 10:14 am 329. Chuck Pelto:

P.S. Just to drive this crucial point home…

Alex didn’t need to ‘intend’ to cause physical harm.

All that was necessary was for the subject of his ‘attention’ to FEEL that there was an “…fear of imminent serious bodily injury.”

There is a subtle, but crucial difference therein. It’s not what the accused intended. It’s what the victim perceived.

Sorry your projecting intellect can’t quite perceive that. Hope I was helpful….

Aug 29, 2008 - 10:22 am 330. Randy:

I am astounded and am sorry to see that freedom of speech has devolved into opportunistic bullying and pretty dang close to inciting violence. If Michelle had not kept her cool … man.

Aug 29, 2008 - 10:33 am 331. Mark Gailey aka LibertyFelix:

Winston:

I started out disagreeing with you strongly. That probably won’t change, as we can agree to disagree. But your follow-up posts have been rational and illuminating. (No, i’m not being paranoid. )
You have made important distinctions about Malkin vs. Jones conservative positions. What is still missing is the perspective about where Malkin supports the anti-conservative Bush administration and Jones’ challenging philosophical attacks on the entire Neo-Con/Job movement.

Thanks for broadening the dynamic here.

Aug 29, 2008 - 10:41 am 332. axiom:

“….is the Guy in the Green Shirt. The one who looked like HE was the one screaming “Kill Michelle Malkin”?

And, more importantly, WHAT is his relationship to Alex Jones?”

You really are a tad on the slow side aren’t you chuck ?
you finally recognise that it was the guy in green shouting “kill michelle malkin” , congratulations.
now you are ready for the next step ,
the guy in green is an associate of michelle malkin !

yes chucky , it was a deliberate attempt to frame alex jones , but backfired horribly, as the vile piece of trash mark davis knows only too well.
Now perhaps you are man enough to admit you were takin in by the lying brainwashing media , and will apologise for getting it so wrong.

Aug 29, 2008 - 11:11 am 333. pgilmo:

Winston-

Your arguments are retarded. Of course they share some similar views – they are both somwehat conservative. Here’s the difference:

“Jones is not part of the manufactured false right-left paradigm, but is rather a true conservative, a species completely alien to Malkin, who is a neocon, that is to say a Trotskyite.

Of course, Malkin is too young and untutored to know the true roots of the political ideology she espouses, so it will suffice to say she is a shameless opportunist on parade as a Bush “conservative,” that is to say she is an authoritarian warmonger intolerant of the First Amendment and the Bill of Rights.”

“She’s an anti-American piece of filth because she wrote a book advocating that government critics, Muslims and other designated undesirables be put in internment camps. Malkin is also a staunch torture advocate and likes to spend her time defending people who kill puppies. Nice lady.”

Aug 29, 2008 - 11:54 am 334. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: axiom[matic]

It would be interesting if he could prove what he says.

Regards,

Chuck(le)

Aug 29, 2008 - 12:11 pm 335. Chuck Pelto:

P.S. In the meantime, none of what he says excuses Alex Jones of his menacing behavior…..

Aug 29, 2008 - 12:12 pm 336. axiom:

CHUCK – Keep on back peddling. LOL

proof here
look at video at 1:33

it is beyond question that “green guy” has no affiliation with alex jones whatsoever.
and some eye witnesses report seeing “green guy” with MM .
so either way , you erred to tie in green guy with jones.

ok, so now for your retraction.

Aug 29, 2008 - 1:13 pm 337. axiom:

chuck – menacing behaviour is mentioned by no one except you ,
yes alex was angry , and rightly so , given mm’s espousing views on internment camps for govt dissenters,torture and her lying about the GI puppy throwing incident.

Aug 29, 2008 - 1:16 pm 338. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: More axiom[matic] Problems

….menacing behaviour is mentioned by no one except you…. — axiom

They still seem to have serious problems with (1) reading skills, (2) short term memory loss and/or (3) learning how to use the ‘Find’ function inside their browser. Probably all three. And compounded by using IE.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Life is tough. It's tougher if you're stupid.]

Aug 29, 2008 - 2:40 pm 339. Chuck Pelto:

P.S. By the way….

….did anyone else here notice that instead of answering the obvious question of proving his claim that the Guy in the Green Shirt was with Malkin, axiom tries to change the subject?

Typical…..

Typical….

Aug 29, 2008 - 2:57 pm 340. Dark Helmet:

Ummm… I was told there would be cake at this meeting?

Aug 29, 2008 - 7:56 pm 341. john from cinncinati:

i didn’t see MM run away in fear,speaking in a calm voice, the loud guy was calling her on some of her extreme views. the video should be labeled nut jobs meet in Denver. watch the video closely something is gonna happen. what what what?

Aug 30, 2008 - 1:01 am 342. axiom:

chuck still waiting on your retraction that green guy was associated with alex jones

Aug 30, 2008 - 4:19 am 343. axiom:

now , lets discuss malkin advocating internment camps for govt dissenters !

anyone ?

Aug 30, 2008 - 4:21 am 344. Curtism:

Chuck, you proved my point again. Why? You never listened to the interview with MM. She destroyed any chance she had, or any PA of taking it to court when she answered the question, “did you feel threatened by Jones?” She said NO!

Go back over to the troll hole you call a website and try this time to code something useful. Most people on the planet can’t code computer applications like you and myself, but I don’t try to pump up my ego bragging about it.

I would give back your Mensa membership. It’s too bad they didn’t have common sense as a test, you would have failed.

Hit me with another quick useless quote describing what you believe to be peoples stupidity. Code in some HTML to make it look like your the smart one of the bunch. :rollingeyes:

Aug 30, 2008 - 5:24 am 345. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: More Projection, Anyone?

Chuck, you proved my point again. — Curtism

Just childishness on the part of those who claim others are such.

It’s ignorance compounded by pride, which in my books is the working definition of ’stupid’.

RE: Short Term Memory Loss Too

Most people on the planet can’t code computer applications like you and myself, but I don’t try to pump up my ego bragging about it. — Curtism

I seem to notice that Curtism’s first words about me was to degrade my ‘intellect’ as being by far inferior to theirs. So, when the truth comes out they conveniently forget that part and then start talking about ‘ego’ issues.

Well, there’s more evidence of projection.

RE: Coding

Go back over to the troll hole you call a website and try this time to code something useful — Curtism

They ask about doing something useful?

Been there. Done that. See….

…this.

I can guess what their next whining will be about.

I’m particularly pleased with their projection about being a ‘troll’. Trolls don’t add anything significant to any discussion. All they do is go about calling other people names that are more applicable to themselves, e.g., Curtism and axiom. And then they get upset that nobody really pays much attention to them, except to laugh at em.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The universe is laughing behind your back.]

P.S. But despite their proclivities toward childish name-calling, if they qualified, Mensa would have them. But that’s a BIG IF, based on the lack of substance to what they call ‘args’ in this discussion. Mere name calling and childish taunts are not indicative of much of anything ‘intelligent’.

Aug 30, 2008 - 6:07 am 346. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: axiom[matic] Still….

….is having problems with all three of the issues I mentioned in a post yesterday. I’m particularly saddened that he still can’t read English and their mommy hasn’t shown them how to use the Find function in their browser.

Otherwise, they might have discovered something that would help them avoid looking like a completely helpless case of trollishness….

….I’m speaking of the fact that I never made a statement to the effect that I never thought Alex Jones—ugly, overweight, brutish example of hatred that I perceive he is—said, “Kill Michelle Malkin”.

Poor buffoon….it’s pathetic what the younger generation is coming to, if they’re an example.

Mind you, I don’t blame them for being what they are at this time. But I AM going to blame them if they don’t learn any better.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Education consists mainly of what we have unlearned. -- Mark Twain]

P.S. I think their likes could take a lesson from Mr. Twain. Especially vis-a-vis what they may have learned from the vaunted American public education system, if they are truly as young as their comportment here indicates.

Aug 30, 2008 - 6:42 am 347. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: ERRATA!!!!

That line (above) that reads….

….I’m speaking of the fact that I never made a statement to the effect that I never thought Alex Jones…. —

….should read….

….I’m speaking of the fact that I never made a statement to the effect that I EVER thought Alex Jones….

Sorry about that….

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[There's too much blood in my caffeine system at the moment.]

Aug 30, 2008 - 6:45 am 348. Chuck Pelto:

DANG!!!!!

….NEVER….

See what I mean?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. Why don’t they have a PREVIEW button here?

Aug 30, 2008 - 6:47 am 349. axiom:

once more for the myopic chuck :-

chuck still waiting on your retraction that green guy was associated with alex jones

Aug 30, 2008 - 7:36 am 350. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: axiom[matic] — The Squirming Begins

…still waiting on your retraction that green guy was associated with alex jones — axiom

Notice how they are changing the discussion AGAIN. They’re still unable to substantiate his earlier claim that The Guy in the Green Shirt is with Michelle Malkin.

All just more of the same obfuscation from the ignorant [and highly likely stupid] ‘progressives’; unable to prove anything they accuse everything.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Fretting about overpopulation is a perfect guilt-free—indeed, sanctimonious—way for “progressives” to be racists. -- P. J. O’Rourke]

Aug 30, 2008 - 9:12 am 351. axiom:

chuck- wriggle like your criminal neocon friends,
you know damn well you were the first to falsely claim this.
so now stop your flailing about and be a man and admit you were wrong .
it will be good for you.
we are dealing with this logically in chronological order ok.

Aug 30, 2008 - 10:17 am 352. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: axiom[matic] Blow-Hards

you know damn well you were the first to falsely claim this. — axiom

It would be REALLY nice if he could prove that. Maybe a citation from something I wrote on this thread.

Otherwise, he’s merely a bald-faced liar. Which is something I’ve suspected all the long. But not the Truth is coming out.

And, considering that he claims Alex Jones is being ‘defamed’ by others here, he now does the same against myself. As I was pointing out earlier, projection is the nature of their mental illness.

And axiom is the epitome of what it leads to. Including a call for physical assaults on those that disagree with them.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The liar's punishment is not in the least that he is not believed, but that he cannot believe anyone else. -- George Bernard Shaw]

P.S. Observe axiom’s behavior….

Aug 30, 2008 - 10:48 am 353. Winston:

@ Mark Gailey aka LibertyFelix

Thank you.
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pgilmo said:

“Jones is not part of the manufactured false right-left paradigm….”

Oh rubbish. Please don’t pretend that there are deep philosophical differences between left and right.

Only ignorant morons (of the right) make such claims. If there’s no difference between right and left, why do you support right wingers like Jones, rather than, say, some brand of socialism? See – your argument – and that of Jones is vacuous.

Eugene Debs spoke about the Dems and Repubs BOTH being representatives of capitalism – but he said it 100 years ago! It’s rather silly for you to pretend your “insight” is a novel one.

pgilmo said:

“…Malkin, …is a neocon, that is to say a Trotskyite.”

LOL. You just have to be kidding? You’ve seen that written sonewhere so many times (at prisonplanet) that you think it’s true.

It’s hilarious to suggest Malkin is a Trot. How completely ridiculous.

Please take this chance to enlighten me on how exactly Malkin qualifies to be called a Troskyite. This should be fun…….

And *NOTE* – at one moment you claim there is a false left-right divide – then you claim that Jones’ political creed is “a true conservative” – which you claim to be “completely alien to Malkin”.

HAHA – so there’s no left-right divide, but there is a divide between Malkin and Alex? When will you realise none of this makes sense? It’s completely incoherent.
———–

pgilmo said:
“Jones, Rivero and Tucker are not racists and fascists and do not promote these ideas.”

HAHA. They do promote these ideas.

Rivero is tight with Curt Maynard. Maynard’s blog is a disgusting cesspit promoting race war. He says “time to cull the nigger herd”.

Ever heard Malkin say anything like that?

Maybe she has – but why does AJ corruscate Malkin but make such extensive use of Rivero? Rivero is tight with people like Maynard. And it isn’t JUST Maynard’s racism that Rivero promotes. There’s plenty more he does to promote fascism. Deny it all you like – it just makes you look silly.

Check here – and follow the links. You’ll see very clearly that Rivero DOES support racism and fascism – and torture of “domestic terrorists”, which is what Rivero calls hackers.

http://h-files.hraunfjord.org/last_name/wrh/

A taster:

“Whilst appearing to be a website offering alternative news to the mainstream, WRH in fact serves as a propaganda organ for the ideological far-right. WRH also serves as an indirect recruiting organ for extremist groups on the far-right.

WRH achieves this through deliberately appearing to be a website critical of Bush, the neo-cons, the iraq war, the afghan war, 9/11, etc. This “critical front” is merely the superficial appearance of the site, designed to make readers think that WRH is critical of war, deception, lies by government, corporate power, corruption etc…..

Such an “appearance” is obviously useful to appeal to a public concerned by the many troubling issues facing the world today. Such websites, can be very popular and can draw large audiences : Alex Jones is perhaps the prime example of a “celebrity” amongst this “alternative” news-scene.

The important point is – criticising Bushco, 9/11, Iraq War etc are ways to garner trust, which is crucial to provide an opening for the succesful disemination of propaganda.

So whilst appearing to be libertarian, and anti-war, and pro-freedom, WRH is actually functioning as a propaganda organ of the extremist far-right ie fascism. The apparent critical perspective of WRH views serve to draw people in, and as the reader begins to feel comfortable, and she becomes a little trusting, she’s ripe to have her perspective shifted, especially if it is done incrementally and with no little subtlety.

Appearing to be critical of war, iraq, 9/11 is done to act as a form of trojan horse – to acquire popular attention – to reassure that a certain perspective is shared – to garner trust. The site then uses the attention so garnered to foist upon concerned readers articles, attitudes and perspectives taken directly from the propaganda of the far-right – often minus the more overt and obvious baggage which might otherwise alert readers to the fascist nature of the material. This serves two functions – 1) to provide a clandestine drip-effect of constant fascist propaganda into the news-stream – to purposefully shift perspectives, and 2) to act as a recruitment channel, allowing organised fascist groups to identify potential recruits. Normal enough behaviour for organised propaganda networks, perhaps – but this is in support of fascism, remember. ”
—————–

Axion said: “it is beyond question that “green guy” has no affiliation with alex jones whatsoever.”

HAHA – hilarious. You can tell just by looking at a video of him?

Just as none of us knows whether those dudes were Jones’ stooges or not – we don’t know if they were Malkin’s, ReCreate68s, or CIA, or whatever……..

Don’t pretend you know who they are, or who they are not.

Aug 30, 2008 - 9:40 pm 354. Winston:

damn – I’m at it now.

First sentence above should say

“Oh rubbish. Please don’t pretend that there are *NOT* deep philosophical differences between left and right.

Aug 30, 2008 - 9:41 pm 355. Winston:

@pgilmo

The following is from prisonplanet itself. No – it isn’t their article – as usual they just steal other peoples’ work and use it to promote themselves.

Nevertheless – the article, published at PR.is.on.plan.etcom says:

“Christopher Phelps…..doubts these claims of a Trotskyist tradition that would support the war in Iraq. For the Left Opposition, internationalism was not simply about fighting all over the world. “Internationalism meant solidarity with other peoples and not imperialist imposition upon them,” Phelps notes.

Though Trotsky was a military leader, Phelps also notes “the Left Opposition had a long history of opposition to imperialist war. They weren’t pacifists, but they were against capitalist wars fought by capitalist states. It’s true that there is no squeamishness about the application of force when necessary. The question is, is force used on behalf of a class that is trying to create a world with much less violence or is it force used on behalf of a state that is itself the largest purveyor of organized violence in the world? There is a big difference.” Seeing the Iraq war as an imperialist adventure, Phelps is confident “Trotsky and Shachtman in the ’30s and ’40s wouldn’t have supported this war.”

http://www.prisonplanet.com/trotskys_ghost_wandering_the_white_house.htm

To anyone but the completely ignorant, it is perfectly clear that neo-cons are not the political heirs of Trotsky! It’s a ridiculous claim.
——————–

Such claims also fit into the wider scheme of organised fascism to discredit both the radical left socialists, AND the liberal state – just as was done in 1920s and 30s germany.

Confusing the two, by suggesting they are “the same thing” was a hitlerite tactic – to attack the left, and to undermine faith in liberal democracy – and to falsely position the Nazi party as the only genuine opposition to imperialist capitalism. Alex Jones and co can be seen to be following this pattern.

Before the nazis came to power, they had to destroy credibility of the Weimar republic – that’s just what Alex does, too.

The nazis claimed to be against both socialism – because it was jewish, and capitalism – it too was jewish.

Alex Jones is against socialism – and rails against capitalism too. But what is it about capitalism he rails against? I mean, is he not a believer in capitalism? What Alex and Rivero and Carto and co are against is ROGUE CAPITALISM – by which they mean, jewish capitalism. It’s the same fraud as perpetrated by the nazis – claiming to be against capitalism, whilst they in fact supported it. This points to another function of Alex and Rivero etc – they are a focus of genuine complaints against capitalism, whilst not actually opposing capitalism at all in principle. Think about it – when does Jones or Rivero EVER attack the principles of capitalism? Compare to how they always attack the principles of socialism? They even make-up false principles of socialism – strawmen to attack.

Just as AJ, and Rivero and co claim – that socialism is part of a worldwide conspiracy – for them it’s just the other side of the same coin as capitalism. Even though they are capitalists…….hmmm. Funny – but that’s exactly the incoherent position Hitlerites took.

Don’t blame me that it’s so incoherent – you’re the one who buys into this crud – not me.

So how can Jones and Rivero oppose socialism, but not support capitalism? It can only be explained by realising that they are critical of JEWISH capitalism. That’s what made Hitler’s beliefs at least somewhat coherent – even if plain wrong.

Rivero gets a lot closer than AJ in saying it’s jewishness that is the problem – jewish capitalism. AJ avoids directly saying it – but what else can he mean? What is it about capitalism he opposes, really? Nothing?

What is it about banking that the capitalists Rivero and AJ oppose? Don’t AJ and Rivero recognise the importance of banking in capitalism? So what’s the beef exactly? Do they actually oppose banking – or just (jewish) usury?

And what is it about business “elites” that Rivero and AJ oppose? They’re not egalitarian lefties are they – so what is their issue with elites? Do they really want “everyone to be the same” – like a leftie? No. So?

AJ supported RonPaul heavily – yet Paul stands for privatisation of services, esp medicine. He’s a private oBGYN, so he has a self-interest. What’s the difference between Alex’s support for privatised services and the World Bank and IMFs view? Neo-liberals call for privatised services – yet Alex and Rivero are supposed to be against neo-liberalism? How do Rivero and AJs support for privatised services differ from the IMF and World Bank and Washington consensus? There’s no difference…..is there? It’s a con. The only difference is that Rivero (and Jones?) see “undue jewish influence” as the main problem – not with privatisation, inequality, banking, free-markets etc

Aug 30, 2008 - 10:33 pm 356. axiom:

you are the liar chuck , you said the shouter was with alex jones you were WRONG !
Stop back peddling like your criminal neocon buddies

Aug 30, 2008 - 11:51 pm 357. axiom:

winston is trying the transparent trick of tying alex jones to anti-semitism .
how wrong you are !
but what do you expect from the desperate scramblers with their unsupportable position.
pathetic winston .
go read , get informed , before regurgitating your vomitous bile here.

Aug 31, 2008 - 12:07 am 358. SQUIDMACK:

If Alex Jones leans to the left why is he always talking smack about Democrats? He is definitely against both left and right wingers, both are bought.

Both left and right politicians have big interest at heart. It would be nice if the people could realize that it’s the common American fighting against the big interest for attention from our representatives. I guess I am just romantic.

Would be nice if the people could agree on demanding that our elected start working for us again.

Obama or McCain, either way both parties are insane.

Aug 31, 2008 - 2:01 am 359. Winston:

AJ: “The people of America are being fed upon by the elite and devoured alive and they barely even recognize it. It is the perfect crime, the pinnacle of criminal capitalism.”
———————————

See – weird sentiments for a pro-capitalist, anti-socialist like Jones?

What does Jones think makes capitalism “criminal”? What is the difference with regular capitalism – which, presumably Jones supports?

I think Hitler provides an answer to what AJ only suggests:

“The Jew will always be the born champion of private capital in its worst form, that of unchecked exploitation….”

Isn’t that what AJ is really saying? If AJ isn’t saying that – WHAT *IS* HE SAYING?

If it isn’t capitalism itself that is the problem, then what is it? It must be an aspect of capitalism – the criminal aspect he speaks of? Which is WHAT, exactly?

Here’s Hitler again, in 1922. Even AJs supporters must acknowledge the similarity between AJs claims about false left/right paradigm, and those of Hitler? And note the correspondence between AJs vague euphemisms and Hitler’s unequivocal denunciation of “the jew”?

Hitler:

“The master-stroke of the Jew was to claim the leadership of the fourth estate: he founded the Movement both of the Social Democrats and the Communists. His policy was twofold: he had his ‘apostles’ in both political camps. ‘
……..
More and more so to influence the masses that he [the jew] persuaded those of the Right that the faults of the Left were the faults of the German workman, and similarly he made it appear to those of the Left that the faults of the Right were simply the faults of the so-called ‘Bourgeois,’ and neither side noticed that on both sides the faults were the result of a scheme planned by alien devilish agitators.
http://www.hitler.org/speeches/07-28-22.html

alien devilish agitators? Sounds JUST LIKE AJ’s spiel?

Aug 31, 2008 - 2:51 am 360. Winston:

axiom said:

[quote]winston is trying the transparent trick of tying alex jones to anti-semitism. how wrong you are ![/quote]
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How wrong I am? Well, how do you *KNOW* this isn’t AJ being anti-semitic?

[quote]
AJ: So let it come, and let everybody know what you are: a pack of wolves, a pack of criminals, a pack of liars, and a pack of scum.
http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/cities_may_seize_homes_some_vow_to_stay.htm
[/quote]

please – tell me who he was on about? And I’m interested how you *know* who he is on about……..?

——————————————-

I found this too, which in light of AJs defence of his intimidation of Malkin, is hilarious:-

[quote]MothersAgainstDrinkDriving advocates warrantless random roadblocks and checkpoints to supposedly find drunk drivers, violating the U.S. constitution and instilling fear into people for simply having a glass of wine with their meal.[/quote]

HAHAHAHAHAHA – AJ is concerned about the “fear” people might have about drinking a glass of wine incase they caught DUI – but screaming MONSTER at Malkin is fine? Aj is a moron – I’m amazed his minions can’t see it.

Aug 31, 2008 - 3:52 am 361. axiom:

“The Federal Reserve banks are one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever seen. There is not a man within the sound of my voice who does not know that this nation is run by the International Jewish bankers.” – Congressman Louis T. McFadden (Rep. Pa)

“There is no more direct way to capture control of a nation than through its credit and money system.” – Phillip A. Benson, President of American Bankers’ Association, 1939

“The central bank is an institution of the most deadly hostility existing against the principles and form of our Constitution.. If the American people allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.” – Thomas Jefferson.

“You are a den of vipers and thieves. I intend to rout you [jews] out, and by the Eternal God, I will rout you out. If the American people only understood the rank injustice of our money and banking system, there would be a revolution before morning.” – Andrew Jackson

“The Great Depression was not accidental, it was a carefully contrived occurrence. The international Bankers sought to bring about a condition of despair here so that they might emerge as rulers of us all.” – Louis McFadden

Aug 31, 2008 - 4:12 am 362. axiom:

Do you consider the following to be true or false ?

“Political leaders of western governments are more beholden to global corporation heavy weights and international bankers ( fed reserve ,world bank,IMF etc) than they are to their electorate “

Aug 31, 2008 - 4:13 am 363. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: axiom[matic] Desperation

you are the liar chuck , you said the shouter was with alex jones you were WRONG ! — axiom

Failing to provide proof supporting his claim that The Guy in the Green Shirt was with Malkin, AND failing to prove his claim that I said Alex Jones was saying, “Kill Michelle Malkin”, axiom is now trying to change the subject once again.

We’re talking SERIOUS ’squirm’ here.

Maybe axiom, if they studies his English and Rhetoric and Logic a tad better, they can might….just MIGHT…be able to figure out what is going on here.

I have and it’s a common problem in the English language. But I’d like to see if they can do the necessary analysis of these communications for themselves. It might prove that they ARE, in fact, a human being. [Note: I'm reminded of the test given to young Paul Atreides by the Rev. Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam.]

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. axiom….

….put your mind in the box.

Aug 31, 2008 - 5:23 am 364. axiom:

winston – stoP projecting your own paranoia onto alex jones !

alex jones himself says the problem is international bankers and corporations , owned by ppl of all persuasions , NOT JUST THE JEWS !

SO STOP YOUR ANTI -SEMITIC SMEAR TRICK , IT DOESN’T WORK ANY MORE .
TRY AGAIN

Aug 31, 2008 - 6:40 am 365. axiom:

CHUCK – YOU HYPOCRITE : “if they studies his English ” LOL

I concede you didn’t say alex shouted it , now you concede that you were wrong in saying the shouter was with alex jones ….otherwise what the hell are you complaining about ??

alex’s anger ? if so you might ask yourself why alex was so angry …maybe it was something to do with fascist demon malkin advocating camps for govt dissenters ? !

Aug 31, 2008 - 6:46 am 366. Chuck Pelto:

TO: axiom
RE: Errors

“if they studies his English ” LOL — axiom

Hadn’t had my morning coffee. Sorry about that. I HAD put in ‘he’ where I had ‘they’, wishing to remain gender neutral with you….not knowing if you were male or female, but failed to update the verb.

Sorry about that.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The only Guy I know who was Perfect, got nailed to a tree for it.]

Aug 31, 2008 - 7:56 am 367. Chuck Pelto:

P.S. Still waiting for any ‘proofs’ of your wild allegations you may care to offer.

Aug 31, 2008 - 7:56 am 368. Winston:

Axion won’t answer any direct questions, it seems.

And as an effort to parry accusations of anti-semitism, he brings out the usual tired litany of quotations fingering banking and jews.

Oh wow – like I’ve never seen such quotes before?

And you don’t notice you ONLY mentioned JEWS specifically – and lump everyone else in under “other people”. You don’t notice you’re doing that? lol

Axion lamely claims: “alex jones himself says the problem is international bankers and corporations , owned by ppl of all persuasions , NOT JUST THE JEWS !”

SO WHAT IS IT ABOUT INTERNATIONAL BANKERS AND CORPORATIONS THAT’S THE PROBLEM???

ALEX IS A FREAKIN’ CAPITALIST – SO WHAT IS HIS ISSUE WITH BANKS AND CORPORATIONS?

PLEASE BE CLEAR? (I know you can’t)

See, Alex is an anti-socialist. So what is left for him except some form of capitalism? In which case, what’s his issue with banks and corporations – they function AS THEY ARE MEANT TO. So what’s the problem?

One way to hone this down is to be explicit about WHAT TO DO ABOUT THE PROBLEM?

ROund up the jooooos? Bar jooooos from holding office – stop jooooos running corporations – owning stocks – seeking professional qualification?

That’s what the nazis did. It’s clear from their solutions what they thought the problem was.

What are Alex’s solutions, seeing as you know so much about what Alex means, even when he’s being incomprehensibly vague.

So please tell me – what are Alex’s proposed solutions?

Aug 31, 2008 - 11:32 am 369. Johnny Yen:

“We are opposed around the world by a monolithic ruthless conspiracy.”
- President John F. Kennedy
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-275577066688213413
War is just a racket. a racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses.
Marine General Smedley Butler

Aug 31, 2008 - 12:15 pm 370. pgilmo:

Winston-

Oh sorry, I’ll try to explain it to you a bit slower. Of course, there is differences between the left and right – in theory. But currently it is fake and a distraction. The Demopublicans and Republicrats are more or less the same. If you look deeper, you will see they are all bought and paid for by the same interests. And Alex is a true conservative because he has not been duped into that paradigm with the fake conservatives. Get it? Probably not, so here’s some more depth.

Now, I will make you aware of how phony the left-right, Democratic-Republican, 2 party system which has dominated American politics for 200 hundred years is.

“The so-called Left-Right political spectrum is our creation. In fact, it accurately reflects our careful, artificial polarization of the population on phoney issues that prevents the issue of our power from arising in their minds… We control the Right-Left conflict such that both forms of liberty are suppressed to the degree we require. Our own liberty rests not on legal or ‘moral’ rights,” but on our own control of the government bureaucracy and courts which apply the complex, subjective regulations we dupe the public into supporting for our benefit.” – The Occult Technology of Power

“The American culture of today is being assaulted along the same lines that Caesar and Hitler used long ago, and Americans are falling prey to such tactics in growing numbers with every passing hour. We are truly a divided people, who agree or disagree along party, ethnic, racial and religious lines. Much like the priests of centuries past, no decision can be made without first consulting our appointed political or social leaders. We take sides with differing factions within our country, arguing about single issues that are presented to us and whose sole purpose is to divide us into isolated groups. Instead of meaningful debate about the future of our nation, we receive only distractions. We thirst for truth, meaning, and freedom, but instead find ourselves wandering through the desert of distraction and confusion. We seek leaders, but only receive figureheads. We have ceased being Americans. We are conservatives or liberals. We are environmentalists or corporate interests, Catholics or Protestants, hawks or doves, black or white. The people of America are divided among many lines, ultimately under the confines of a system of right and left. Much like the German people of the 1930s, we are isolated from clear perspective. Much like the beleaguered Celts, we are so distracted by civil war of right and left, we aren’t aware of our country vanishing before our eyes. The truth is, there is no right or left. There is only right and wrong.

The party bosses and ardent followers would have you believe otherwise. They would have you believe that right is whatever particular party they belong to, and wrong is the political opposition. This might be true if the sides of today were genuine. Instead, both parties and most mainstream organizations funnel into the same end result: total control. While the left and right bicker publicly on “hot topics,” the end result is the same, regardless of who is President, or who is in control of Congress. Less freedoms for individuals, less sovereignty for nations, losses of jobs through insane international agreements like NAFTA, the dilution of American culture, and the over extension of our military. It’s been said that if you don’t like what the Republicans are doing, vote for the Democrats, and if you don’t like what Democrats are doing, vote Republican. It’s set up like a game. I have my favorite team, and you have yours. I’ll back my team no matter what, just as long as your team doesn’t win. The problem is, both teams are full of scandalous figures who are so busy selling you and I out for their own personal gain, they have no time or desire to help our country in this time of need. While we Americans are busy cheering our favorite politicos and jeering our least favorites, both sides are pursuing the policy of the destruction of America.”

- http://antinewworldorder.blogspot.com/2007/02/false-left-right-paradigm.html

And obviously you don’t know much about Alex Jones. It’s not about this capitalism vs socialism crap you’re babbling about. It’s about the freedoms our forefathers fought for. It’s about our national sovereignty. It’s about the control and power the globalists want.

Aug 31, 2008 - 5:27 pm 371. pgilmo:

As for the Neo-CONS, this is the point:

“It is interesting that few people are aware that today’s fascist neocons were former Trotskyites and may still be. The leader of the pack is Irving Kristol.

Kristol, Cheney and Rumsfeld among others are devotees of the doctrine of permanent revolution. We call it perpetual war for perpetual peace.

Leon Trotsky advocated mass murder as do today’s neocons and today’s neocons are the leading threat to America and its continued existence as a constitutional republic.

Very few people seem to grasp the true nature of this menace, which is in the process of destroying our country.

People don’t understand this connection, nor do they understand that the neocons are leftist Trotskyites in fascist disguise.

They are not republicans, conservatives, or right-wingers. They may be deceiving those people, but they are not of them.

This is the same internationalism that financed Levin, Trotsky, Stalin, Hitler and Mussolini.”

Aug 31, 2008 - 6:29 pm 372. Anonymous:

pgilmo: “The Demopublicans and Republicrats are more or less the same. If you look deeper, you will see they are all bought and paid for by the same interests.”

Deeper? It isn’t especially deep to realise democratic reform parties are agents of capitalism.

My point is – Alex is a fellow-traveller with capitalists. So you tell me – what IS the difference between AJ and the capitalists in the main parties?

pgilmo: “Alex is a true conservative because he has not been duped into that paradigm with the fake conservatives.”

Hmmm. TBH I think you’re the dupe for believing that.

pgilmo: The truth is, there is no right or left. There is only right and wrong.

Only right wingers say that. In effect it says – rightwing is right – the left is wrong. THAT’S WHAT IT SAYS.

It’s a simple aphoristic denial of anything other than your own views. Who can’t make the same claim.

I can say the right is all a sham – the only “true” way is marxist-scientific-socialism. Would you believe that? No. So why expect me to swallow what you say is “right”?

Oh – but of course I’m deluded and brainwashed and have been taken in by the false paradigm…..? Yeah – sure.

That isn’t enough a novel concept. Ever heard of false class conciousness?

pgilmo: Instead, both parties and most mainstream organizations funnel into the same end result: total control.

They’re capitalists! What on earth do you expect? Even the IDEAS of a society reflect those of the ruling classes. What’s surprising about that?

pgilmo: While the left and right bicker publicly on “hot topics,” the end result is the same, regardless of who is President, or who is in control of Congress.

now YOU are making the mistake you accuse others of.

American politics does NOT have a leftwing. So how on earth can you say the left publically bickers with the right? The left doesn’t even get a hearing in public! America has been subjected to 200 years of the most intensive anti-socialist propaganda. There is no left in public. You are the one being conned to imagine there is.

You don’t know what “the left” really is?

When did you last see something prominent from a marxist perspective? Have you ever?

pgilmo: While we Americans are busy cheering our favorite politicos and jeering our least favorites, both sides are pursuing the policy of the destruction of America.

But “both sides” are representatives of capital. Neither side is “left”.

You think what you do because you don’t know a genuine left view?

You say there’s no left-right, but claim that the left is supposed to be represented by the Dems! Well, that’s your mistake! It doesn’t mean there’s no leftwing – just that you’ve never seen it.

Now why would that be? Because capitalism, and the representatives of capitalism, have ZERO INTEREST in promoting the left. Why would they? Hence your ignorance?

pgilmo: It’s not about this capitalism vs socialism crap you’re babbling about.

WOW! You’ve been trying to explain how the left-right divide is a sham – and then go on to say it isn’t about capitalism/socialism!!

Dems and Repubs are capitalists. they’re not socialists. And you claim there’s no difference!!!! haha

By denying it’s “about” socialism/capitalism you join their ranks. It IS about socialism/capitalism.

Why are dems and repubs capitalists and not socialists – if there’s no difference?

LOL – maybe there is a difference, huh? Of course there is, silly.

pgilmo: leftist Trotskyites in fascist disguise.

oh how ridiculous. if you are going to mangle and confuse words like that it’s no wonder you are so confused.

Do words have meaning or not? Are you allowed to smash them into whatever shape you want? Well, fine – but don’t expect to make any sense.

pgilmo:This is the same internationalism that financed Levin, Trotsky, Stalin, Hitler and Mussolini.”

Presumably Levin is Lenin?

Oh dear – never mind that imperial capitalist nations invaded russia to oppose the bolsheviks? never mind the most basic philosophical distinctions? never mind the difference in CONTENT of the ideologies?

No wonder you’re so confused – you’re swallowing some real junk. It’s like the queen in Alice in Wonderland – words mean whatever you want them to?

Wow. it really doesn’t make any sense. leftist trotskyite fascists? that’s like an object that is black, white, up, down, light, heavy……..it just doesn’t make sense.

Aug 31, 2008 - 8:40 pm 373. winston:

pgilmo: “The Demopublicans and Republicrats are more or less the same. If you look deeper, you will see they are all bought and paid for by the same interests.”

Deeper? It isn’t especially deep to realise democratic reform parties are agents of capitalism.

My point is – Alex is a fellow-traveller with capitalists. So you tell me – what IS the difference between AJ and the capitalists in the main parties?

pgilmo: “Alex is a true conservative because he has not been duped into that paradigm with the fake conservatives.”

Hmmm. TBH I think you’re the dupe for believing that.

pgilmo: The truth is, there is no right or left. There is only right and wrong.

Only right wingers say that. In effect it says – rightwing is right – the left is wrong. THAT’S WHAT IT SAYS.

It’s a simple aphoristic denial of anything other than your own views. Who can’t make the same claim.

I can say the right is all a sham – the only “true” way is marxist-scientific-socialism. Would you believe that? No. So why expect me to swallow what you say is “right”?

Oh – but of course I’m deluded and brainwashed and have been taken in by the false paradigm…..? Yeah – sure.

That isn’t enough a novel concept. Ever heard of false class conciousness?

pgilmo: Instead, both parties and most mainstream organizations funnel into the same end result: total control.

They’re capitalists! What on earth do you expect? Even the IDEAS of a society reflect those of the ruling classes. What’s surprising about that?

pgilmo: While the left and right bicker publicly on “hot topics,” the end result is the same, regardless of who is President, or who is in control of Congress.

now YOU are making the mistake you accuse others of.

American politics does NOT have a leftwing. So how on earth can you say the left publically bickers with the right? The left doesn’t even get a hearing in public! America has been subjected to 200 years of the most intensive anti-socialist propaganda. There is no left in public. You are the one being conned to imagine there is.

You don’t know what “the left” really is?

When did you last see something prominent from a marxist perspective? Have you ever?

pgilmo: While we Americans are busy cheering our favorite politicos and jeering our least favorites, both sides are pursuing the policy of the destruction of America.

But “both sides” are representatives of capital. Neither side is “left”.

You think what you do because you don’t know a genuine left view?

You say there’s no left-right, but claim that the left is supposed to be represented by the Dems! Well, that’s your mistake! It doesn’t mean there’s no leftwing – just that you’ve never seen it.

Now why would that be? Because capitalism, and the representatives of capitalism, have ZERO INTEREST in promoting the left. Why would they? Hence your ignorance?

pgilmo: It’s not about this capitalism vs socialism crap you’re babbling about.

WOW! You’ve been trying to explain how the left-right divide is a sham – and then go on to say it isn’t about capitalism/socialism!!

Dems and Repubs are capitalists. they’re not socialists. And you claim there’s no difference!!!! haha

By denying it’s “about” socialism/capitalism you join their ranks. It IS about socialism/capitalism.

Why are dems and repubs capitalists and not socialists – if there’s no difference?

LOL – maybe there is a difference, huh? Of course there is, silly.

pgilmo: leftist Trotskyites in fascist disguise.

oh how ridiculous. if you are going to mangle and confuse words like that it’s no wonder you are so confused.

Do words have meaning or not? Are you allowed to smash them into whatever shape you want? Well, fine – but don’t expect to make any sense.

pgilmo:This is the same internationalism that financed Levin, Trotsky, Stalin, Hitler and Mussolini.”

Presumably Levin is Lenin?

Oh dear – never mind that imperial capitalist nations invaded russia to oppose the bolsheviks? never mind the most basic philosophical distinctions? never mind the difference in CONTENT of the ideologies?

No wonder you’re so confused – you’re swallowing some real junk. It’s like the queen in Alice in Wonderland – words mean whatever you want them to?

Wow. it really doesn’t make any sense. leftist trotskyite fascists? that’s like an object that is black, white, up, down, light, heavy……..it just doesn’t make sense.

Aug 31, 2008 - 8:41 pm 374. winston:

pgilmo: “Alex is a true conservative because he has not been duped into that paradigm with the fake conservatives. Get it?”

OK. Let’s take a specific issue?

Immigration and the Minutemen. OK?

Both Malkin AND Jones support the Minutemen. Both Malkin and Jones focus on La Raza, as a means to tar immigration with eliminationism – “it’s the immigrants that are the REAL racists!” they both seem to say.

Now – how come your supposed racist Malkin shares the same views as your supposed non-racist Jones?

Under your supposed “false left-right paradigm” how do you explain Malkin and Jones sharing the same views over this? (They share other views too.)

Isn’t it you who is under a false paradigm – that Alex Jones is SO different to Malkin?

Consider this in light of Malkin’s views, and her support for the minutemen?

—””The Minutemen of today and the militias of a decade ago have many commonalities ideologically,” Burghart said. ”Despite all their ‘law-and-order’ rhetoric, they both rely on illegal paramilitary vigilantism and intimidation to push public policy.”

”They both appear to be expressions of Middle American Nationalism — the notion that ‘middle Americans’ are being squeezed from above by the economic elites, and from below from the multicultural hordes that are sucking the lifeblood from the productive middle.”

”Both the militias and the minutemen create a demonised ‘other’ based on citizenship status: The militias had the ’sovereign citizen’ concept, which divided people into (white) state ’sovereign’ citizens and so-called ‘14th Amendment’ citizens. The Minutemen do it the basis of perceived immigration status.”

He noted that ”both are rife with conspiracy theories. For example, the militias were concerned about the New World Order, while the Minutemen have La Reconquista, which contends that there is a secret plot to re-conquer the American southwest for Mexico.”

Moreover, both the militias and the Minutemen have something in common with the Posse Comitatus, an anti-Semitic white supremacist group that sprung up in the 1970s. Latin for ”power of the county,” the Posse Comitatus was founded in 1971 by retired army lieutenant colonel William Potter Gale.

Gale ”believed that all white, Christian men had an unconditional right to take up arms to enforce the principles of a ‘Constitutional Republic,’ and challenge various ‘unlawful acts’ of the federal government, including integration, taxation and the federal reserve banking system,” Daniel Levitas, the author of ”The Terrorist Next Door. The Militia Movement and the Radical Right” (St Martin’s Press, 2002), told IPS.

Devin Burghart pointed out that in their day, the militias received support and cover from elected officials, including Idaho’s Republican congresswoman, Helen Chenowith.

”These days, the Minuteman Project has received positive reviews from California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger and Colorado Congressman Tom Tancreado, as well as the House immigration reform caucus,” he noted. ”
http://www.ipsnews.net/africa/print.asp?idnews=29786
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OK – so perhaps understandable why the supposed racist/fascist neo-con Malkin supports Minutemen.

But how do YOU explain Jones’ support?

Now then, to deal with the genuine LEFT view: socialists are internationalists, NOT nationalists – because their analysis is a CLASS one, not a race one, or a national one. For leftists, working class people in USA have more shared interests with working class mexicans than they do with elements of the american ruling class – your business elites etc.

For example, I have more shared interests with iraqis than I do with the head of the british army, the queen. See? It’s a class analysis – not a racist, or nationalist one.

That perspective is NOT held by Jones, or Malkin. JONES and Malkin’s views are very similar – and quite distinct from socialist/leftist ones. OK?

So what of your “false” divide now?

Aug 31, 2008 - 10:55 pm 375. Dark Helmet:

A nation is not a race. Mexican is a nationality. Not a race. There are only 3, white, black and asian. Anything else is a mix.

Religions are not a race, no matter how you try to spin it, religion is a choice, not a race.

except for Amish

Sep 1, 2008 - 9:25 am 376. pgilmo:

“what IS the difference between AJ and the capitalists in the main parties?”

LOL. How much time do you have? He favors protecting our civil liberties, favors a smaller, less intrusive government, favors national sovereignty etc.

But capitalism is a fine system–when it is NOT encumbered by the tactics corporations employ to maintain government-enforced monopolies over industry and create barriers to entry by smaller, innovative players. Under socialism, big government oppresses the citizenry of a nation. Under unfettered capitalism, big business is the culprit of oppression.

German economist Wilhelm Röpke understood this as well, and challenged both communism and unfettered capitalism. To Röpke, socialism was futile, because it is a system that erodes freedom to achieve a morally reprehensible equality of condition. When government takes from one to bestow on another, it diminishes the incentive of the first, the integrity of the second, and the moral autonomy of both. Socialism, collectivism, and communism are nothing more than economic systems which advocate state-sanctioned theft.

“American politics does NOT have a leftwing. So how on earth can you say the left publicly bickers with the right?”

By left/right I was referring to the current US use of the terms – the fake liberals/conservatives and the fake Democrats/Republicans. They are two sides of the same coin. I wasn’t saying right wing is right, I’m saying the two party dictatorship is wrong.

Malkin is racist because she supports racial profiling.

Jones supports Minutemen because the reason that there is a Minutemen project is because prominent leaders of Hispanic organizations have publicly stated over and over again that the entire Southwest still belongs to Mexico and that they are in the process of “reconquista,” or re-conquering the Southwest. And the fact that the radical Neo-Nazi liberation theology known as La Raza, which calls for the extermination of all races in America besides Latinos, is being bankrolled by some of the biggest Globalists in the U.S.

Sep 1, 2008 - 1:06 pm 377. pgilmo:

And what’s the problem with international bankers?

Ever heard of fractional reserve banking and money as debt?

“The powers of financial capitalism had a far-reaching plan, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole…Their secret is that they have annexed from governments, monarchies, and republics the power to create the world’s money…”

Watch The Money Masters.

Sep 1, 2008 - 1:13 pm 378. Winston:

pgilmo: “The powers of financial capitalism had a far-reaching plan, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole…”
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This is coming from someone who in their previous post was extolling the virtues of capitalism, minimal regulation, small government, blah blah blah.

Bizarre beyond comprehension.

I’ll try to limit myself to just a couple of points.

1) you complain about “financial capitalism”, but also condemn efforts at regulation.

2) You say – “Under socialism, big government oppresses the citizenry of a nation.”

Couldn’t I characterise your denunciation of “financial capitalism” as being a will to oppress the citizenry? I mean – financial capitalism is operated by people, isn’t it?

And what do you intend to do about your “financial capitalism” – if not “oppress” it – if not “regulate” it?

IMO what you’re saying just doesn’t make sense.

pgilmo: “Ever heard of fractional reserve banking and money as debt?”

Yes, as a qualified (non-participating) member of BBA (association of british bankers), it would be remiss if I hadn’t?

And yes, I’ve heard the endless troofer nonesense about banking.

I find it amusing that right-wing anti-government capitalists (like ronpaul) attack the failings of the PRIVATE federal reserve.

Do they think LESS regulation is the solution? haha

Of course, next you’re going to give me the gold standard malarkey, right? (Nevermind there were powerful reasons for it to have been rejected in the past, and the fact that if dollars were to be backed by silver or gold they’d be near worthless……..you know how many dollars are out there, right? How much gold will back each one? lol)

Sep 1, 2008 - 7:11 pm 379. Mr. Mackey:

Um, I think I can summarize the intellectual leveel of this thread, m’kay?

Eric Cartman: “Why don’t you go back to San Francisco with all the other Jews?”

Kyle Broslovsky: “There’s no Jews in San Francisco, you retard!”

Eric Cartman: “I’ll kick you in the n-n-nuts! Screw you guys! I’m goin’ home!!”

Sep 2, 2008 - 4:42 pm 380. Anonymous:

I think I can summarize the intellectual leveel of this thread
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I didn’t notice a rise in level after your contribution.

Sep 3, 2008 - 10:05 am 381. pgilmo:

That quote is from The Money Masters. I wasn’t condemning regulation of capitalism. I was just listing Alex’s views. I think that you need to somewhat regulate capitalism democratically to avoid the corporate, crony, and monopoly capitalism.

And Ron Paul wants to abolish the Fed. Why are we paying interest on our money to a private bank when the government can create it for free?

The gold standard may have its problems but its a lot better than being backed by toilet paper. Gold backed being near worthless? The money is already WORTHLESS! Fiat currencies always collapse eventually.

And a host of alternatives have been suggested, including energy-based currencies, market baskets of currencies or commodities; gold is merely one of these alternatives.

Or would you rather have the value of your savings keep declining from inflation?

Sep 3, 2008 - 12:40 pm 382. Winston:

pgilmo: I wasn’t condemning regulation of capitalism. I was just listing Alex’s views.

— So you DO want *increased regulation*? Alex *DOES* want it too?

Your *regulation* is good – but left-wing regulation is bad, oppressive, blah blah blah? Too subtle a difference for me to grasp, sorry.

Oh – and seems to me you think AJ wants small gov, low taxes, privatisation, deregulation etc etc……? *NOT* more regulation. Where is he clear about this? Quotations?

Surely AJ is FOR deregulation, small government, low taxes etc etc? But who knows – I don’t think he ever says. He’s vacuous.

What Alex appears to believe in is EXACTLY what I heard at the RNC last night. Alex’s views are pretty much those of the republicans.

So HOW is Alex distinct from this “phony left/right” divide, when he appears to believe in pretty standard *RIGHT WING* pro-capitalist views?

If the repubs and dems are phony – how come there’s no difference between them and Alex?

What IS the difference? You haven’t managed to persuade me there’s any difference of substance – seems there’s none at all.

And yet AJ is supposed to be so different? Well HOW?

————

As for the FED stuff – sounds like the usual half-baked half-understood troofer rubbish.

It seems to me to be just a means to avoid critiquing capitalism itself.

Instead, it seems an attempt to pretend the problems can be solved by simply changing the means of exchange – by backing the currency with a commodity, or whatever.

It seems fetishistic – back the currency with gold and all the problems of capitalism will be solved? Hmmm. It’s really so simple? There’s really nothing intrinsically flawed with capitalism? There’s nothing really wrong? It presumes “capitalism is fine” – just change the currency, and tweak a little here and there….? Hardly a radical analysis, is it? WHAT DOES THAT SAY? It’s an endorsement, not a criticism?

And then the claims that there’s no “left-right” divide? Even though Alex clearly has a pretty standard textbook rightwing/conservative view….? Like I said – only people on the right say there’s “no left/right divide”. Else why aren’t the rightwing lefties? duh.

And yet – apparently contradictorily – Alex is *VERY DIFFERENT* from the “phony left-right” paradigm? Somehow…….lol

HOW??? HOW IS AJ DIFFERENT? Surely that’s the con? He actually *isn’t* different – but you THINK he is?

– Like the repubs, he’s a capitalist?
– like the repubs, he a free-marketeer?
– like the repubs, he wants more law and order (at the borders) – he even supports Minutemen, as Malkin does. Police and state authority is fine when Alex wants it.
– like repubs he wants “small government”, deregulation, privatisation?
– like repubs he seems to loathe the least whiff of socialism. AJ said wealth distribution is “communist trash”.
– like the repubs, he’s against state-provision for universal healthcare. (Notice troofers ignoring Moore’s SICKO.)
– like the repubs he’s for private healthcare. (Big pharma, anyone?)
– like the repubs he’s for privatising social services/insurance, against state provision. (Which implies massive support and reliance upon the private stock exchange system, private banking, private insurance, share ownership, dividends, capital exchange etc….ie ALL VERY PRO BUSINESS)
– like the repubs, he’s against the UN (and all other international institutions?).
– like the repubs he’s for drilling in ANWAR
– like the repubs he was against Kyoto
– like the repubs he’s forever telling americans they are “under attack!!!!!!”: from without, as from within.

you get the drift?

So how is Alex so different, exactly?

Sep 4, 2008 - 4:30 am 383. E.B:

theo669:

Well, Malkin does, in fact, want to put people in camps, and does in fact think torture is good, and is in fact a liar.”

So what if she thinks torture is good? Thoughts can’t hurt anyone.

But yes, she is a piece of trash.

Sep 4, 2008 - 11:21 am 384. pgilmo:

Alex doesn’t talk about privatization or regulation much because there’s a lot more important issues – like the economy collapsing, pre-emptive wars, losing our freedoms etc.

I believe he is against regulation on most issues, but don’t know how he feels about it regarding financial or crony capitalism. More or less, he’s a paleoconservative. Paleocons believe in tradition, civil society and classical federalism. They focus on disagreement with neoconservatives, especially on issues like immigration, affirmative action, U.S. funding of Israeli military actions, foreign wars, and welfare. They also criticize social democracy, which some refer to as the therapeutic managerial state, the welfare-warfare state or polite totalitarianism.

And I don’t think you’re understanding the left/right paradigm. Re-read my post on it. The two sides appear to be against each other but in reality they are the same thing. The entire left-right, liberal-conservative, Democrat-Republican paradigm was developed by the Global elite to give the masses the illusion they have a choice. Both the orthodox “left” and the neoconservative “right” are intellectually and politically bankrupt: they have nothing to offer but empty slogans, stale dogma, and an outmoded paradigm that has kept us barreling down the road to tyranny and perpetual war. These two camps are both leading to more governement and less freedom. Both are forms of collectivism and favor those that are in power.

The point is Alex doesn’t focus on the issues that are distractions from the real threats.
And of course, he has some similar views to Republicans, since he’s a conservative. But today’s fake Republicans are not really conservative and don’t follow the traditional views. Alex is against globalization, against open borders, against gun control, against destroying the constituiton, against big brother, for local and state gov’t rather than federal centralized gov’t, for sound money etc. Basically he’s against the gov’t in our lives, controlling and sucking off of us. That’s the difference.

“back the currency with gold and all the problems of capitalism will be solved?”

No, didn’t say that. That will just fix the problem of our weak dollar and give us sound money.

Sep 4, 2008 - 1:08 pm 385. winston:

@pgilmo

You seem to be playing a double game.

How come you characterise “the left” as what you call the PHONY DEM-REPUB duopoly?

You criticise the left as if it were actually what you call the PHONY DEM-REPUB duopoly.

But you praise the paleo-right, as if it weren’t.

————

See – you say

pgilmo: “The entire left-right, liberal-conservative, Democrat-Republican paradigm was developed by the Global elite to give the masses the illusion they have a choice.”

Then you say the Repubs are “false conservatives” – that paleoconservatism is the genuine right…….

So where’s the genuine left? It disappears from your picture, doesn’t it? Even though the genuine left can’t ever have been in power, because, by your own claims, the DEMS-REPUBS who HAVE been in power are a mere tool of this “global elite”……

So you criticise the left as it it WERE the Democrats. And excuse the right – as if it weren’t part of either.

Which leads you to say things like:

pgilmo: Both the orthodox “left” and the neoconservative “right” are intellectually and politically bankrupt”

LOL

You keep saying the 2 party system is a false paradigm – and phony etc etc. But then you pretend that the left IS represented by the Democratic party – and that the failings of this pseudo/fake left represented by the Dems are in fact the failings of the entire/real left.

Through a mental sleight of hand, or a simple mistake – you end up claiming “There is no real left – only a real right (paleo). Even the real left is part of the manufactured false paradigm.”

Hmmm.

So what of the ‘genuine’ left if the Dems/Repubs are a manufactured false paradigm?

ah – you’d say ALL socialism is part of the manufactured “false paradigm”? that’s the implication, isn’t it?

So anyone fighting for socialism is enagaged in a useless effort. They’ve been conned. That’s what you’re saying, isn’t it?

And anyone supporting socialism is really working for the global elites. That’s your implication?

Socialism = elitism.

Orwell would be impressed, I’m sure.

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Back to Alex?

From what you claim Alex believes, is there anything that is inherently hostile to the far-right?

each of your claims feature prominently amongst far-right agenda:

“tradition” – tick
“civil society” – tick
“immigration” – tick
“affirmative action” – tick
“U.S. funding of Israeli military actions” – tick
“foreign wars” – tick
“welfare.” – tick
“criticize social democracy”

A lot of far-right extremism can be squeezed into those issues.

Those are exactly the issues the far-right have been using to “mainstream” their perspective.

Seems odd that you make those claims about Alex’s beliefs, yet you came over all indignant that I pointed out Alex has connections to organised fascism. It’s clear the accusation is not without merit?

He shares a lot of the extreme far-right’s concerns – his ideology doesn’t seem at all hostile to fascism. he even works with people like Rivero, and Tucker…..has connections to the patriot movement…….and whatever his religious views are?

And even you, pgilmo, have listed his beliefs in which we can find nothing hostile to fascism. Indeed – it reads like a checklist of far-right agenda-issues.

Anyway – whether Alex harbours secret affections for nazism is irrelevant to the point that his views and perspective – and physical behaviour – certainly DO echo and AMPLIFY the agenda of the far-right.

As I have tried to point out – there is a very real crossover between 911 Troof and fascism. The crossover points are, funnily enough, largely along the lines of what it’s claimed Alex believes in.

Whether consciously or not – Alex Jones and Prisonplanet FUNCTION as a propaganda organ of the extreme right. Likewise WhatReallyHappened.
They share and promote identical values and perspectives…..they promote the same writers, topics, websites, books, films, opinions – ALL of it connected to the far-right in some form.

That’s what the (substantial and varied) evidence suggests.

AJs charging around after Malkin shouting MONSTER should be seen in light of the other evidence.

Connections to organised fascism are not something to be complacent about, are they?

Nor are they something to condone. Right?

Nor to HIDE. Right?

Sep 4, 2008 - 9:08 pm 386. E.B:

Chuck Pelto:
TO: All
RE: Macgawd: Another ‘Projection’ County….

Funny–criticize the NeoCons like Michelle Malkin, and you’re automatically labeled a “Liberal goon”. — Macgawd

Chuck Pelto:
Probably because Alex Jones provided such a fine example of that sort of behavior.

Maybe you should counsel him on his misrepresenting you.

You have to admire this verbal slight of hand, Macgawd calls you out on your labeling(this intellectual laziness is typical of liberals) and you turn it around and imply Alex Jones is a liberal – getting off scot free in the process.

I’ll add that the behavior of “conservative” abortion protesters isn’t any different…maybe they’re liberal too.

Macgawd:

I am very much a Conservative Republican… — Macgawd

Chuck Pelto:

Actually, I’d sooner believe that you’re on some ‘controlled-substance’.

Of course, because a real Conservative Republican is willing to take the bat for an interment camp/torture advocate even if he had to look like an ass in the process…Throwing the “anti-Semitism” buzzword around, accusations of liberalism…

Sep 5, 2008 - 8:50 am 387. E.B:

Chuck Pelto:
TO: pgilmo
RE: Zionism
pgilmo:
….Zionism is not a race. It is an ideology, and one in which many Jews have recognized as being a supremacist ideology itself. Zionism is nothing more than a Jewish cultural supremacy. — pgilmo

Chuck Pelto:
I know a number of Hebrews from all over. They all support Israel. Not ONE of them is a ’supremacist’. In other words, your words ring false to my experience.

Is this more verbal slight of hand? Support for Israel doesn’t make one a Zionist, and his words would ring true to those of us who have read quotes from the original Zionist.

But Alex and Rivero aren’t anti-Semite. They are anti-Zionist, and Zionism is not a race. — pgilmo
Chuck Pelto:
This is mere obfuscation. So much dust thrown into the air.

This is clarification, he is simply making a distinction between the two, a distinction that Zionist filth deliberately blur so they can trot out the old anti-Semitic buzzword to muddy the waters and slander.

All the anti-Zionists I’ve seen are really anti-Semitic.

Hmm…this seems familiar:
”The only people who say men are better at math than women are sexist”
-Feminist/PC’ers/Liberals
“Anyone who claims that blacks and whites have different IQ’s is racist”
-“Anti-Racist”/PC’ers/Liberals

What this really means is that only an anti-X would say ______ or _______. Now that Chuck(le), is obfuscation.
They use this sort of re-direction as a magician uses smoke and mirrors.
Re-direction would be calling someone a Liberal because they call out a troskite media whore for what she is then blur the wide lines between anti-Semite and anti-Zionism, and then, finally, having the gall to imply someone who makes the distinction is “anti-Semitic”.
In truth, I consider them anti-semintic when they try this sort of mis-direction.

Nah, you consider them anti-Semites because you “KNOW” that only an anti X would say _____ Projection at its finest.

It’s like the abortionists, “We’re not for killing babies. We’re pro-Choice.”
This brilliant analogy only holds if anti-Semitism is some loose equivalent anti-Zionism, and since only Pro Zionist would make that absurd connection, don’t expect a neutral observer to say to himself, “Whoa, that pgilmo is an anti-Semite!”

Go peddle your bogus illusions elsewhere. They don’t sell, let alone ‘wash’, here.
Peddle your slight of hand, over the top sarcasms and ad hominem attacks elsewhere (like MM’s blog) where some ditto heads might shallow them.

Sep 5, 2008 - 9:00 am 388. E.B:

Chuck Pelto:
TO: All
RE: Typical ‘Progressive’

All you Malkin lovers who think it was cute that you put out the lie that Jones said “Kill Michelle Malkin”… — James

Chuko:

I think the thread’s initial comment makes it clear that they are not saying Alex Jones said, “Kill Michelle Malkin”, but these cretins don’t seem to recognize that SOMEONE is shouting it.

We “cretins” know that SOMEONE is shouting it, that same SOMEONE who put his arm around Alex Jones and said “I’m a huge fan I saw you in Chicago!”(1:09).That SOMEONE posed for picture with AJ (to establish a relationship). About 20 seconds later while AJ has his backed turned to him that SOMEONE grinned to his buddy and shouted “Kill Michelle Malkin!” 4 times. Then while AJ is shouting “you said it was fake!” (1:47) that SOMEONE laughs his skinny ass off.

At 1:56 SOMEONE’s buddy –who was also wearing sunglasses and a fishing hat to hide his face- turned around and laughed his skinny ass off.
At 2:01 that SOMEONE yells “Alex Jones is a Capitalist stooge!” at 2:30 that SOMEONE chants “peace” with the rest of the crowd. Then at 3:17, someone (SOMEONE?) yells “Michelle Malkin is a true patriot!” At 6:54 SOMEONE shouts “Alex Jones is a Capitalist stooge!” yet again.

This obvious provocateur (it should be obvious by now) then yells Fascist! (7:21), and then “how dare you call that women disgusting you un-chivalrous pig! The provocateur then yells Fascist again (7:50). At 8:00 SOMEONE shouts “Michelle Malkin is a true patriot!” again, but this time he adds American Hero to the line.

SOMEONE yells five dead Iraq’s for one American life saved at 8:11. At 8:20 it’s “The life of one American is worth the life of one dead terrorists.” At 8:29 it’s “Fuck you Alex Jones you un- chivalrous bastard!” about 30 seconds later it’s how dare you call [inaudible], then its “your following here around yelling at her you loser!” (Pot met kettle)

So yeah, we know SOMEONE shouted it, a provocateur. , if you really watched various videos of what wend down, you would know that – but you still wouldn’t admit it.

Let Alex Jones sue. It’ll make GREAT copy that these people are murderous at heart when that video get’s wider dissemination during the course of the trial.
Regards,
Chuck(le)

[The Truth will out.]

It did. On NeoCon sites that also misrepresented Alex Jones, we “toofers”and libbies are setting the record straight

P.S. Despite the efforts of these drop-outs from the Goebbels’ School of Journalism.

10:1 the irony of this line is lost on you.

Sep 5, 2008 - 9:48 am 389. pgilmo:

“But then you pretend that the left IS represented by the Democratic party – and that the failings of this pseudo/fake left represented by the Dems are in fact the failings of the entire/real left.”

Didn’t mean to imply that. I was focusing on the right because thats where Malkin and Jones are. There is a real left. But a socialist state control of wealth distribution and of private property cannot be achieved without reducing general prosperity and loss of political and economic freedoms. Moreover, Ludwig von Mises declared a socialist economy impossible, and Winston Churchill said that Socialism evolves to Totalitarianism, when people defect from supporting it.

“Seems odd that you make those claims about Alex’s beliefs, yet you came over all indignant that I pointed out Alex has connections to organised fascism. It’s clear the accusation is not without merit?”

I”m not sure how you’re linking paleoconservative to far-right to fascism. Seems like a big leap. Scholar A. James Gregor asserts that the most “uninspired effort to understand fascism” is to simply place it on the right-wing, or the radical right as the common tendency was in the Anglosphere during the post-war period.

http://books.google.com/books?id=EIJXYCBFqnUC&pg=PA6&dq=%22extreme+right%22+fascism&lr=&sig=ACfU3U2gCeyCXuMJAei133LkOS3xan-HZw

“his ideology doesn’t seem at all hostile to fascism.”

Considering he is strongly against militarism, totalitarianism, dictatorship, collectivism, statism, social interventionism, and economic planning – I don’t see how you came up with that statement.

And what specifically does he amplify from the far-right that is so terrible? Strong conservatism? Revolution?

And I find it funny that you and others focus on AJ using his free speech and calling someone a name to expose them rather than focusing on Malkin’s support for internment camps, racial profiling and torture.

Sep 5, 2008 - 12:11 pm 390. Winston:

pgilmo: I find it funny that you and others focus on AJ using his free speech and calling someone a name to expose them rather than focusing on Malkin’s support for internment camps, racial profiling and torture.
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AJ “calling someone a name”?

haha – if that isn’t the most transparent apologia for alex’s disgusting behaviour.

everyone can SEE what Alex did – pointless you spinning it to suggest he “called someone a name”. Sheesh.

pgilmo: I”m not sure how you’re linking paleoconservative to far-right to fascism.

Strawman.

I’m linking ALex – through his work and beliefs – to GENUINE FASCISM.

He should address his own beliefs, and those of his friends, BEFORE he’s even entitled to be offended at Malkin’s views.

Pure FRAUD for Jones to pretend it’s malkin’s “fascism” he’s protesting.

Else what about Rivero, Tucker, Maynard, Carto etc…….?

pgilmo: Winston Churchill said that……..

SO? Who in hell cares?

Karl marx said……..x y z – like you care?
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EB: Zionist filth …. trot out the old anti-Semitic buzzword…..

Errr…..right. Just a “buzzword”?

Zionist filth?

Anyone who suggests it’s impossible for anti-semitism [jew-hate]to POSE as anti-zionism[zion-hate] is being dishonest. Agreed?

Sep 5, 2008 - 12:36 pm 391. Winston:

pgilmo: There is a real left.

Ahhh – finally. And Alex Jones is very hostile to it, right? What was he doing at their demo?

And he calls ReCreate68 provocateurs!?

pgilmo: “…a socialist state control of wealth distribution and of private property cannot be achieved without reducing general prosperity…….”

LOL. Less stitches – more riches! Woohoo.

George Bush is too socialist! Of course, that’s the problem…..how did I miss it?

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I laughed when I read Ron Paul saying working class americans were getting paid too much. He said they were making themselves uncompetitive.

Plastic toys to put in “happy meals” are so much cheaper to make in sweatshops of phillippines. Americans will be “competitive” when their wages and conditions fall to those of the phillippines.

This is called “general prosperity.” Sure it is…..

ROn, and AJ, and Gilmo(?) are FOR trade, but against “globalisation”. Seemingly neo-liberal ideologues, but against “globalisation”. How does that make sense?

Sep 5, 2008 - 1:09 pm 392. Winston:

Alex Jones supported Ron Paul. as did the faux-libertarians – and the neo-nazis, of course.
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On October 26 nationally syndicated radio talk show host Michael Medved posted an “Open Letter to Rep. Ron Paul” on TownHall.com. It reads:

Dear Congressman Paul:

Your Presidential campaign has drawn the enthusiastic support of an imposing collection of Neo-Nazis, White Supremacists, Holocaust Deniers, 9/11 “Truthers” and other paranoid and discredited conspiracists.

Do you welcome- or repudiate – the support of such factions?

More specifically, your columns have been featured for several years in the American Free Press -a publication of the nation’s leading Holocaust Denier and anti-Semitic agitator, Willis Carto. His book club even recommends works that glorify the Nazi SS, and glowingly describe the “comforts and amenities” provided for inmates of Auschwitz.

Have your columns appeared in the American Free Press with your knowledge and approval?

As a Presidential candidate, will you now disassociate yourself, clearly and publicly, from the poisonous propaganda promoted in such publications?
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http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/11/the_ron_paul_campaign_and_its.html
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Like I said – big crossover between 911 Troof and organised fascism.

Ron Paul’s sources of support is more evidence of it.

People claim that it isn’t Ron’s fault that nazis support him, and it’s wrong to tar him, and his supporters because of it.

But such a defence rests on an implicit denial of why people support particular candidates.

If it matters to support RonPaul — then it should matter whom supports him. If libertarians support him for “good reasons” – then why aren’t the nazis supporting him with good reason?

The far-right, faux libertarian behind Paul react to such facts as RonPaul’s neo-nazi appeal in the same way they have reacted to Alex Jones’ disgusting treatment of Malkin – denial and obfuscation; spin and blathering abuse. Just like Jones.

As I said – the connections between Jones and the extremist far-right are wide and varied.

It’s far too much to simply ignore.

Alex’s behaviour towards Malkin must be seen in light of his connections to the extremist far-right. Likewise for his vague political pronouncements and his vague denouncements which always employ euphemisms which correspond to long-established and novel anti-semitic stereotypes.

I can only imagine it is wilful misrepresentation on behalf of fascism to suggest “all alex did was ‘talk to someone’” whilst denying his wide and varied connections to organised fascism.

Sep 5, 2008 - 1:40 pm 393. Winston:

The following was about RonPAul and his supporters – but it applies to AlexJones and his supporters too, especially as they’re much the same people anyway.
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UPDATE FOR PAULBOTS

It does no good to whine to me in emails that I am treating Paul unfairly. He is being treated thusly because he is taking money from racists, Jew-haters, anti-Catholic bigots, and other haters. He is attracting that money because of the positions he takes.

He refuses to discourage the giving from the lunatic fringe because he has people like you – the non haters – who excuse and apologize in his name. By sticking up for his right to take money from Nazis to get elected president, you are as bad as he is – where the means justifies the ends and may the devil take ethics, civility, or common decency.

Want people to stop writing articles accusing Paul of bad things? Get him to stop doing the bad things. You can do it by refusing to give money yourself or writing and telling the campaign that you will not support him unless he immediately and unconditionally rejects, refutes, and repudiates the support of the Kluxers, Nazis, and other haters.

The fact that I and others must point this out to you is incredible. What moral universe do you inhabit that you can support a candidate who so cavalierly plays with fire by allowing these elements free reign to run around boasting of their support for Ron Paul?

Wake up. And please stop writing me. I stopped reading you long ago.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2007/11/ron_pauls_nazi_supporters.html

Sep 5, 2008 - 1:47 pm 394. pgilmo:

“haha – if that isn’t the most transparent apologia for alex’s disgusting behaviour.

everyone can SEE what Alex did – pointless you spinning it to suggest he “called someone a name”. Sheesh.”

Oh, did I forget to say he was rude, impolite and too loud? Boo-who. Cry me a river. Malkin should be arrested for helping to facilitate an illegal and immoral war and for acting as a propagandist for mass murder. Alex Jones did what millions of people should do — confront these criminals incessantly.

“I’m linking ALex – through his work and beliefs – to GENUINE FASCISM.”

Not really. You linked it to him through guilt by association and through vague descriptions of the far-right. So all people in the far-right are fascists? And how are his beliefs fascist again?

“ROn, and AJ, and Gilmo(?) are FOR trade, but against “globalisation”. Seemingly neo-liberal ideologues, but against “globalisation”. How does that make sense?”

Jesus. Do you filter everything through the left and the right? Not everything is black and white. Do you even know what globalization really is?

As for Ron Paul, most of that is ridiculous BS. He doesn’t support any of those groups. They are isolated and I’m sure you could find the same for other candidates. And why don’t you ask them why they support him? You think its because he’s secretly a racist or Nazi? Riiiiiiight. And here’s his response about the donations:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqPhrqllHzY

And I already responded to the rest of the garbage in your post.

Sep 5, 2008 - 5:32 pm 395. winston:

pgilmo: Do you even know what globalization really is?

Why don’t YOU say – and while you’re at it, tell me how AJ and RonPaul are against it, but FOR free trade?

That’s your circle to square, not mine.

Oh, and some actual evidence might be nice, rather than you just supposing what Alex believes in?
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Sep 6, 2008 - 12:17 am 396. winston:

@pgilmo

What’s your personal view on fascism?

What do you agree/disagree with about it?

And why do you oppose racism?

Can you give a link to past denunciations of it you’ve made?

Might help your case, that’s all. Help me to see how a supporter of Jones views racism and fascism?

Sep 6, 2008 - 2:19 am 397. winston:

See, how can one tell whether this is Alex Jones, or David Duke?

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“They and their New World Order seeks to destroy every nation, every, culture, every heritage……. They seek a global supremacy over media, economics, and governments.”
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It’s actually Duke, attacking “jewish supremacism”.

Alex’s supporters defend Alex against accusations that he is saying the same things as Duke.

Alex’s supporters defend him against accusations that he’s playing the same game as Duke……see pgilmo’s posts in this thread.

Funny – because at the same time, Alex’s supporters KNOW he IS saying the same things as Duke.

READ THE COMMENTS AT PRISONPLANET

Sep 6, 2008 - 3:18 am 398. E.B:

Winston: Errr…..right. Just a “buzzword”?

Yes Winston, anti-Semitism is a buzzword use primarily used by PC’ers, Zionist proponents and Leftist to preempt discussion and stifle honest dialogue; Conspiracy Theorist”, “lunatic fringe”, “Conspiracy Nut”, and “Fascist”.

When buzzwords like these are used on a target, all claims by said target are assumed to be false, all evidence of said target is rendered invalid by default, and naturally, the subject’s mental health is called into question.

Anyone who suggests it’s impossible for anti-semitism [jew-hate]to POSE as anti-zionism[zion-hate] is being dishonest. Agreed?

Yes, it is possible, I’m just not sure it’s relevant, the validity of an argument is independent of its source; If Adolf Hitler cited Zionist policy X or Z, the fact that he’s Hitler wouldn’t negate what he said.

Sep 6, 2008 - 12:52 pm 399. winston:

EB: Yes Winston, anti-Semitism is a buzzword use primarily used by PC’ers, Zionist proponents and Leftist to preempt discussion and stifle honest dialogue
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What utter crap. It’s a word to describe JEW-HATE. That’s what it means – that’s what it is used FOR.

Winston: Anyone who suggests it’s impossible for anti-semitism [jew-hate]to POSE as anti-zionism[zion-hate] is being dishonest. Agreed?

EB: Yes, it is possible, I’m just not sure it’s relevant

haha – so it’s relevant that anti-semitism CAN be used as a scurrilous charge to shutdown discussion – but it’s irrelevant that such claims are CONSTANTLY made by GENUINE jew-haters?

Can’t have it both ways.

When I use anti-semitism – I KNOW how I mean it. Don’t try to tell me my own intentions?
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Why don’t you clarify your own intentions, seeing as you’re so focussed on INTENT and how people “close down discussion”?

What are your views on fascism, for example? Are you a fascist? An anti-semite? A racist?

Without your unequivocal denunciation of such things, your argument has a very familiar HOLLOW sound……

Sep 7, 2008 - 4:45 am 400. winston:

EB: the fact that he’s Hitler wouldn’t negate what he said.
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What Hitler said is what made Hitler, Hitler.

If he hadn’t said what he did, he wouldn’t have been “Hitler”. If he wasn’t “HHitler”, he would have said what he did.

And only the biggest fool would take ANYTHING Hitler said without the most cynicism humanly possible. Filthy creep that he was.

Anti-semitism is a term applied to describe WHAT PEOPLE SAY. People choose to say what they want; people choosing to SAY anti-semitic things ARE perfectly reasonably considered to BE anti-semitic. Like Hitler.

Pretty simple really – sophistry aside.

Sep 7, 2008 - 5:04 am 401. winston:

should read –

*wouldn’t* have said what he did…….

ooops

Sep 7, 2008 - 5:05 am 402. pgilmo:

Ron Paul on free trade – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prtR-h8oKqU

Some problems with globalization –

http://www.opednews.com/articles/1/opedne_francis__080225_the_emerging_third_w.htm

You want a definition of fascism – look it up on Wikipedia. You’re the one accusing Alex of it. You tell me how any of his specific views are fascist – and not this guilt by association and through vague descriptions of the far-right BS. I already told you how he’s not, hence “Considering he is strongly against militarism, totalitarianism, dictatorship, collectivism, statism, social interventionism, and economic planning”.

He called Malkin a “fascist piece of trash” in the heat of the moment because she is a neo-fascist poster child for the fake right-wing neocons and an advocate of torture and internment camps for dissenters and other undesirables.

“And why do you oppose racism?”

WTF kinda question is that? That’s like saying why do you oppose rape? Or hey man why do you oppose genocide?

“Alex’s supporters defend Alex against accusations that he is saying the same things as Duke.”

Actually no. If you listened to him, you would know he exposes the Bilderberg Group, CFR, Trilateral Commission and specifically the Rockefeller/Rothschild families.

And lets say the elite Jews really did run the world, are you saying you can’t attack or expose them, otherwise that would be anti-Semitic? Should we just let them rape us? I would understand if you apply that to all Jews but Alex only hates elites that want to take away our freedoms, make us slaves and kill us.

“READ THE COMMENTS AT PRISONPLANET”

As I said before, those people are just trying to distract us from the real issues by in-fighting about who really runs things. It’s called DIS-INFO. Although some Jews are involved but as Alex says, “it’s like 5 guys rob a bank and you only arrest one of them”.

Sep 7, 2008 - 1:55 pm 403. winston:

LOL

I asked for YOUR views – not a link to globalisation and wiki definition of fascism.

You totally fail to denounce fascism, racism and anti-semitism.

Indeed – your defence vindicates the accusation.

You expose yourself through your “defence”.

Just like ALex’s friend/colleague, Mike Rivero.

Alex Jones has Mike Rivero as a regular guest. They are “tight”.

Rivero’s defence against accusations of anti-semitism include using a patently fabricated quote to justify HATE against Israel/zionism whatever……..

The Sharon quote he refers to is fabricated. And he knows it.

But he uses it to justify HATE. Is that just anti-Israeli, or anti-semitic, or worse? It’s employing a LIE to justify hate. Accusations of (mere) anti-semitism don’t do it justice.

Mike Rivero claims:

MR: when Arial Sharon openly bragged on October 3rd that, “We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it”, why should I not find this statement objectionable, and anti-American? Why should I not feel something less than affection for the man who made that statement?
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/hatespeech.html

Saying all that whilst knowing the quote is untrue, means what, exactly?

It means hate is being justified on the back of lies.

The quote was as completely refuted as is possible – the radio station categorically deny it ever happened; there is NO recording of it; it originated in a report from hardline islamic assoc, the IPA (Islamic Palestinian Assoc.) – IPA is MEANT to look like the International Press Assoc IPA; there is absolutely no verification it ever happened…….

IT’s a lie being used to create hate.

By one of Alex’s “tight” colleagues.

That’s the light in which Alex’s BROWNSHIRTING should be seen.

Look at how frequently that fabricated sharon quote appears amongst troofer websites? and neo-nazi ones………?

Put it in google, and see where you go? JEW-HATE.

And Rivero justifies such hate on the back it. Encourages hate on the back of it – a fabricated quote.

AJ’s chum. Course – that’s just smearing AJ by association, huh?

Sep 8, 2008 - 4:06 am 404. winston:

oh – and here’s Alex “freedom-loving” Jones getting a hard-on for *SECURITY MEASURES*

Why don’t the minions of AJ actually *READ IT* for once and try to understand what he’s saying?

(It’s Alex Jones [AJ] interviewing former british secret service dude, M Shrimpton [MS])

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MS: Well I was very impressed with the way the IDF ran check-points. I talked to a check-point commander in Jenin, for example, very impressed with what I saw; very impressed with the security fence which is clearly having an impact in those sectors of the West Bank where it’s been erected.[Inaudible]

AJ: Well I know this. We sure need one of those on the southern border of the US.

MS: [Laughs]

AJ: And I want one. That thing’s beautiful.

MS: Well I think your southern border is a bit porous and as we’ve seen on 9/11, porous borders can present dangers. And er –

AJ: Well I’m not kidding, I’ve literally seen photos of that thing and I start salivating on it.
….
MS: Well I’m a big fan of the IDF. I was very impressed meeting and talking with erm, from soldiers up to generals. I think the IDF are doing a good job. I think the Israelis know far more about counter-terrorism than we do in Britain or in the United States. My general line with Israel is I think, we in the west, the rest of the west – Israel is part of the west – we need to get off the Israelis’ back and let them go and do the job. They do know what they’re doing.

AJ: Well certainly they know how to build a fence and I wish we had one of those.

MS: [Laughs] The fence is very impressive. It’s more than a fence of course, it’s a, you’ve got a ditch, you’ve got a roadway that allows regular patrolling, easy access to any terrorist incursion, good surveillance, some good, high-tech stuff there. The security barrier is a very impressive development.
http://seanbryson.com/articles/dr_david_kelly_michael_shrimpton.html

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And thanks to this blog for publishing everything I wrote. Troofer websites generally won’t allow me to say these things. So thank you – respect due imo.

Sep 8, 2008 - 4:15 am 405. winston:

MS: …good surveillance, some good, high-tech stuff there.

AJ: That thing’s beautiful……..I’ve literally seen photos of that thing and I start salivating on it.

———GET THE DRIFT?????——

Sep 8, 2008 - 4:59 am 406. axiom:

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com

smart guys

Sep 8, 2008 - 5:30 am 407. winston:

why do you care about some jews being against zionism?

And is it really news to anyone that there are jews whom are not zionists?

I wonder – do you always give special attention to what jews think about any given issue?

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Rather than condemnation of Alex’s obvious brownshirting of Malkin we get zionism, definitions of jews, blah blah blah

Shock. Hardly rebuts my point.

Indeed – this thread is itself an illustration of one of the major crossover points between 911troof and fascism – anti-semitism.

The potential is absolutely definite. But how much of this cross-fertilisation is happening? Hard to tell when so many troofers are clearly as dishonest and manipulative as fascists.

But that alone tells you something.

If 911 troof really has a point – then it should be ashamed of itself for having failed so dreadfully. It’s failed – and now it’s self-obsessed. Hmmm. And it behaves so badly – what about the good example, for chrissakes? 911troof has been taken over by charlatans, manipulators, censors, paymasters…….you name it.

The complete refusal of troofers to even acknowledge the problem is surely not a good sign.

Sep 8, 2008 - 12:39 pm 408. pgilmo:

Ok winston, since you’re not gonna provide any direct evidence of AJ’s views that are fascist, then I’ll answer your idiotic rhetorical question.

And I didn’t know that you have to denounce something when you don’t promote it in any way. Obviously, I’m against a strong centralized authoritarian government, that suppresses any criticism or opposition of the regime through violence, and I am against exalting nation, state, or religion above the individual. I am pretty much against all the core tenets of fascism.

The only idea that may seem similar is populism. Some may consider Jones a right-wing populist. These parties and movements differ from many far-right parties in that they accept representative democracy and disavow violent political tactics. They are considered radical because they oppose the current welfare system and the present political system – right-wing because they oppose aspects of socialism and have traditional policies on immigration – and populist because they appeal to the fears and frustrations of common citizens.

Also, the word fascist is sometimes used to denigrate people, institutions, or groups that would not describe themselves as ideologically fascist, and that may not fall within the formal definition of the word. As a political epithet, the word fascist has been applied mainly to a broad range of people and groups on the extreme right, but also to groups on the far left and at points in between. It has also been applied to people of many religious faiths, particularly fundamentalist groups. The individual, institution, or groups called fascist often find the use of the term in this way to be highly offensive and inappropriate.

In a sense, Jones did this to Malkin in the heat of the moment, based on her support for concepts that are at least loosely inspired by the ideology of actual fascism. You, on the other hand, continue to accuse Jones of being fascist through his “connections” and through weak evidence of racism/anti-Semitism.

As for Rivero and justifying hate, I question your motives because you seem to be jumping the gun on this anti-Semite buzzword. You’re jumping to conclusions there a little too quick, don’t ya think? How do you KNOW he knows it was refuted? If he does, maybe he doesn’t believe the refutation? Maybe he thinks it’s still a legitimate quote? Maybe there’s some other reason that it hasn’t been removed?

“AJ: That thing’s beautiful……..I’ve literally seen photos of that thing and I start salivating on it.
———GET THE DRIFT?????——“

Actually no, I don’t get the drift. Don’t really know what you’re implying. Because he supports security measures? Or because he as “salivating” at it? Have you ever heard his show before??? Ever hear how he exaggerates and rants?

And the Jews against Zionism comment was probably in regard to the anti-Semitism that YOU brought up.

And rather than condemnation of Malkin’s racist tyrannical views – and more importantly we don’t even bring them into question as if they are perfectly acceptable – we get bogus accusations of fascism, racism and anti-Semitism – used as buzzwords – in attempt to discredit all of 9/11 truth…blah blah blah.

Sep 9, 2008 - 10:56 am 409. axiom:

well said pgilmo

Sep 10, 2008 - 3:41 am 410. winston:

Rivero promotes Curt Maynard.

Do you KNOW curt Maynard’s stuff? More violent racism would be hard to find.

So tell me – are you familiar with Curt Maynard?

Rivero promotes the whole range of Carto’s anti-semitic and fascist bullshit – IHR, Barnes Review, AFP blah blah………holocaust denial, anti-semitism, world jewish conspiracy, nazi apologia etc.,………

Rivero promotes a whole range of far-right extremism.

And AJ works with him.

And he works with big jim tucker whom is close colleague of Carto for 20 years+

Not just “connections”.

And I didn’t say “Alex Jones IS a fascist”. My point is a little more subtle – I say he PROMOTES fascism, and is an example of how fascism has infiltrated 911 Troof.

He is CAREFUL about what he says – fascists KNOW they are despised, hence their need to disguise to themselves.

I said:

“The far-right recognised that 911 conspiracy was a vehicle for their anti-semitism, and could work as a feeder into the wider Hitlerite fantasy of “world jewish conspiracy” – and thereby propagating genuine fascism. There are even threads about it over at Stormfront. Alex Jones says exactly the same things as nazi jewish conspiracism, except he’s particularly careful to use euphemisms, such as “bankers, globalists, bilderbergers” etc…. Alex appeals to both the politically ignorant and the initiated fascist, whom is well-used to reading between the lines of euphemisms such as Alex employs.”

All true, of course.

Alex doesn’t have to be explicit – his audience can (and clearly do!) connect the dots for themselves.

pgilmo: “I don’t get the drift. Don’t really know what you’re implying. Because he supports security measures? Or because he as “salivating” at it?”

You don’t get it? You don’t find it contradictory that Alex is forever going on about the rising “police state” – and then he wants a security fence, with hi-tech surveillance blah blah blah?

Some “libertarian”! getting the horn for Israeli style fence!

His libertarian position is a scam. Racists, anti-semites and violent thugs had far greater “liberty” under nazism than weimar. See?

Such contradictions are illuminated by his connections with genuine fascism. And his connections are more real than most of the connections he himself makes between things. Refuse to see the relevance of Jones’ connections to fascism, and you should also refuse almost everything AJ himself has ever said: his whole MO is spurious vague “connections”. Funny you find Jones’ connections irrelevant……

At least you seem to now accept they exist.

So tell me, are you familiar with Curt Maynard and Carto’s views, organisations, and methods?

Sep 10, 2008 - 11:24 pm 411. axiom:

winston forget alex , forget me , but for christ sakes wake up and inform yourself !

“Give me control of a nations money and I care not who writes its laws”
-Amschel Bauer (Rothschild)

“The colonies would gladly have borne the little tax on tea and other matters had it not been that England took away from the colonies their money, which created unemployment and dissatisfaction. The inability of the colonists to get power to issue their own money permanently out of the hands of George III and the international bankers was the prime reason for the revolutionary war.”
-Ben Franklin

“This institution, having no principle but that of avarice, will never be varied in its object…to engross all the wealth, power, and influence
of the state.”
-William Findley – a Pennsylvania leader in 1785

“If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and the corporations which grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their father conquered.”
-Thomas Jefferson

“I wish it were possible to obtain a single amendment to our constitution – taking from the federal government their power of borrowing.”
-Thomas Jefferson

“The hand that gives is above the hand that takes. Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency: their sole object is gain.”
-Napoleon Bonaparte

“It is not our own citizens only who are to receive the bounty of our Government. More than eight million of the stock of this bank are held by foreigners. Is there no danger to our liberty and independence in a bank that in its nature has so little to bind it to our country?

“Controlling our currency, receiving our public moneys, and holding thousands of our citizens in dependence…would be more
formidable and dangerous than a military power of the enemy.”

“If [government] would confine itself to equal protection, and, as heaven does its rains, shower it favor alike on the high and the low, the
rich and the poor, it would be an unqualified blessing. In the act before me there seems to be a wide and unnecessary departure from
these just principles.”
-Andrew Jackson (“Jackson and no bank- his motto)”-1832

“This worthy President thinks that because he has scalped Indians and imprisoned judges, he is to have is way with the bank. He is mistaken”

“Nothing but widespread suffering will produce any effect on congress. Our only safety is in pursuing a steady course of firm restriction – and I have no doubt that such a course will ultimately lead to restoration of the currency and the recharter of the bank.
-Nicholas Biddle – Head of Us Bank against Jackson

“You’re a den of vipers. I intend to route you out and by eternal God I will route you out.”
-Andrew Jackson – In response to Biddle

“I killed the bank.”
-Andrew Jackson – On his death bed when asked what his most accomplishment was.

“The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government of the U.S. since the days of Andrew Jackson.”
- Franklin Delano Roosevelt

“My paramount objective is to save the Union, and it is not either to save or destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it.”
-Abe Lincoln

“The division of the United States into federations of equal force was decided long before the Civil War by the high financial powers of Europe. These bankers were afraid that the United States, if they remained as one block, and as one nation, would attain economic and financial independence, which would upset their financial domination over the world.”
-Otto Von Bismark – Chancellor of Germany

“Why Lincoln, that is easy; just get congress to pass a bill authorizing the printing of full legal tender treasury notes, and pay your soldiers with them and go ahead and win your war with them also.”
-Colonel **** Taylor – on how to finance the Civil War

“The people or anyone else will not have any choice in the matter, if you make them full legal tender. They will have the full sanction of the government and be just as good as any money; as Congress is given that express right by the Constitution.”
-Colonel Taylor – When asked by Abe if they will accept the notes.

“The Government should create, issue, and circulate all the currency and credit needed to satisfy the spending power of the Government and the buying power of consumers.”

“The privilege of creating and issuing money is not only the supreme prerogative of Government, but it is the Government’s greatest creative opportunity.”

“By the adoption of these principles, the taxpayers will be saved immense sums of interest. Money will cease to be master and become the servant of humanity.”
-Abraham Lincoln

“If this mischievous financial policy, which has its origin in North America, shall become endurated down to a fixture, then that Government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off debts and be without debt. It will have all the money necessary to carry on its commerce. It will become prosperous without precedent in the history of the world. The brains and wealth of all countries will go
to North America. That country must be destroyed or it will destroy every monarchy on the globe!”
-Times of New London – Towards the Greenbacks

“In numerous years following the war, the Federal government ran heavy on surplus. It could not [however] pay off its debt, retire or securities, because to do so meant there would be no bonds to back the national bank notes. To pay off the debt was to destroy the money supply.”
-John Kenneth Galbraith – National Bank Act (bank notes).

“The money power preys upon the nation in times of peace and conspires against it in times of adversity. It is more despotic than monarchy, more insolent than autocracy, more selfish than bureaucracy.”
-Abraham Lincoln

“My agency in promoting the passage of the National Banking Act was the greatest financial mistake in my life. It has built upon a monopoly which affects every interest in the country.”
-Salmon P. Chase
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“The death of Lincoln was a disaster for Christendom. There was no man in the United States great enough to wear his boots. I fear the foreign bankers with their craftiness and tortuous tricks will entirely control the exuberant riches of America, and use it systematically to corrupt modern civilization. They will not hesitate to plunge the whole of Christendom into wars and chaos in order that the earth should become their inheritance.”
-Otto Von Bismark

“Abraham Lincoln, the martyred emancipator of the slaves, was assassinated through the machinations of the group representative of the international bankers…who feared the United States President’s national credit ambitions – and the plot was hatched in Toronto and Montreal.”
“They were the men opposed in his national currency program and who had fought him throughout the whole of the Civil War on his
policy of greenback currency.”
“They were the Men interested in the establishment of the Gold Standard money system and the right of the Bankers to manage the currency and credit of every nation in the world.”
“With Lincoln out of the way they were able to proceed with the plan, and did proceed with the plan, and did proceed with it in the United States. Within eight years after Lincoln’s assassination silver was demonetized and the Gold Standard money system set up in the United States.”
-Gerald G. McGeer – Canadian Attorney (70 years after Abes death)

“Whoever controls the volume of money in any country is absolute master of all industry and commerce. And when you realize that the entire system is very easily controlled, one way or another, by a few powerful men at the top, you will not have to be told how periods of inflation and depression originate.”
-James Garfield

“Those not favorable to the money trust could be squeezed out of business and the people frightened into demanding changes in the banking and currency laws which the Money Trust would frame.”
-Charles A Lindbergh – before the Federal Reserve act was passed.

“I was a secretive – indeed, as furtive as any conspirator…discovery, we knew simply must not happen, or else all out time and effort would be wasted. If it were to be exposed that our particular group had got together and written a banking bill, that bill would have no chance whatever of passage by Congress.”
-Frank Vanderlip – President of Citibank – member of Jeckyl Island

“Before passage of this Act, the New York Bankers could only dominate the reserves of New York. Now, we are able to dominate the bank reserves of the entire country.”
-Nelson Aldrich

“Baruch brought Wilson to the Democratic Party Headquarters in New York in 1912, ‘leading him like one would a poodle on a string.’ Wilson received an ‘indoctrination course,’ from the leaders convened there.”
-James Perloff – respected historian

“The Aldrich bill was condemned in the platform. When Woodrow Wilson was nominated…the men who ruled the Democratic Party promised the people that if they were returned to power there would be no central bank established here while they held the reins of government. Thirteen months later that promise was broken, and the Wilson administration, under the tutelage of those sinister Wall
Street figures who stood behind Colonel House, established here in our free country the worm-eaten monarchial institution of the ‘Kings Bank’ to control us from the top downward, and to shackle us from the cradle to the grave.”
-Rep. Louis McFadden (D-Pa)

“The bill grants just what Wall Street and the big banks for twenty-five years have been striving for – private instead of public control of currency…both measures rob the government and the people of all effective control over the public’s money, and vest in the banks exclusively the dangerous power to make money among the people scarce or plenty.”
-Alfred Crozier – Ohio attorney

“This act establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When the President signs this bill, the invisible government by the monetary power will be legalized. The people may not know it immediately; but the day of reckoning is only a few years removed. The worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking bill.”
-Charles Lindbergh (R-Mn)

“…this is the strangest, most dangerous advantage ever placed in the hands of a special privilege class by any government that ever existed. The system is private, conducted for the sole purpose of obtaining the greatest possible profits from the use of other people’s
money.”
-Charles Lindbergh (R-Mn)

“The federal reserve act brought about a super-state controlled by international bankers and international industrialists acting together
to enslave the world for their own pleasure.”
-Louis McFadden (D-Pa)

“In the United States today we have in effect two governments. We have the duly constituted government. Then we have an independent, uncontrolled and uncoordinated government in the Federal Reserve System, operating the money powers which are reserved to Congress by the Constitution.”
-Wright Patman (D-TX)

“We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled governments in the civilized world: no longer a government of free opinion, no longer a government by a vote of the majority; but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.”
-Woodrow Wilson

“Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know there is a power so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.”
-Woodrow Wilson

“I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our
system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world. No longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority; but a government by the opinion and
duress of a small group of dominant men.”
-Woodrow Wilson

“It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be
a revolution before tomorrow morning.”
-Henry Ford
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Sep 12, 2008 - 11:36 pm 412. axiom:

hello ??
anyone ?
LOL

Sep 16, 2008 - 2:43 am 413. Anonymous:

why don’t you quote Curt Maynard?

Or Willis Carto?

Sep 17, 2008 - 5:44 am 414. axiom:

WHY WOULD I ?
JERK

Sep 18, 2008 - 10:52 am 415. axiom:

McCain’s War Street Bankers

Kurt Nimmo
Infowars
September 17, 2008

Earlier today, I wrote about McCain’s harebrained idea to appoint a commission to go after the crooks on Wall Street. McCain is, of course, just rolling out a flimsy parade float constructed of toilet paper, something that will disappear on the day after the election, provided he wins or the Diebold machines come up in his favor. He will say and do anything to get selected.

As it turns out, McCain receives big time support from the very people he promises to clean out of the nooks and crannies of War Street. It didn’t take long for the hypocrites over on the Dem side of the Banker Party to dig up some damage.

“Several of McCain’s most senior campaign aides have lobbied for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. And the Democratic National Committee, using publicly available records, has identified 177 lobbyists working for the McCain campaign as either aides, policy advisers, or fundraisers,” write David Corn, Jonathan Stein, and Nick Baumann for Mother Jones.

Of those 177 lobbyists, according to a Mother Jones review of Senate and House records, at least 83 have in recent years lobbied for the financial industry McCain now attacks. These are high-paid influence-peddlers who have been working the corridors of the nation’s capital to win favors and special treatment for investment banks, securities firms, hedge funds, accounting outfits, and insurance companies. Their clients have included AIG, the newest symbol of corporate excess; Lehman Brothers, which filed for bankruptcy on Monday sending the stock market into a tailspin; Merrill Lynch, which was bought out by Bank of America this week; and Washington Mutual, the banking giant that could be the next to fall. Among these 83 lobbyists are McCain’s chief political adviser, Charlie Black (JP Morgan, Washington Mutual Bank, Freddie Mac, Mortgage Bankers Association of America); McCain’s national finance co-chairman, Wayne Berman (AIG, Blackstone, Credit Suisse, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac); the campaign’s congressional liaison, John Green (Carlyle Group, Citigroup, Icahn Associates, Fannie Mae); McCain’s veep vetter, Arthur Culvahouse (Fannie Mae); and McCain’s transition planning chief, William Timmons Sr. (Citigroup, Freddie Mac, Vanguard Group).

As usual, the Dems stink to high heaven. It’s kinda ironic they’d release this dirt on McPalin when Obama is a banker magnet extraordinarie.

“Lehman Brothers, Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan Chase & Co., UBS and heavyweight law firm DLA Piper are among Obama’s top contributors,” reports the Phoenix Business Journal. “At least 100 Obama bundlers are top executives or brokers from investment businesses: nearly two dozen work for financial titans like Lehman Brothers, Goldman Sachs or Citigroup,” the adds the New York Times.

Funny thing is, it doesn’t matter, because no matter who wins the bankers will own the country lock, stock, and barrel.

Not since the days of Andrew Jackson has a president seriously gone after the bankers. “You are a den of vipers. I intend to rout you out and by the Eternal God I will rout you out. If the people only understood the rank injustice of our money and banking system, there would be a revolution before morning,” Jackson told investment bankers in 1828 as they pestered him to renew their central bank charter.

Founders such as Thomas Jefferson and James Madison opposed the First Bank of the United States, modeled after the Bank of England, and saw it for what it was — an engine for speculation, financial manipulation, and corruption.

Less than a hundred years later, we had the “currency panic” of 1907, and then the Federal Reserve System as a solution. It is currently owned by the Rothschild Bank of London and Berlin, the Warburg Bank of Hamburg, the Lehman Brothers of New York, Goldman, Sachs of New York, the Chase Manhattan Bank of New York, and others, most throwing money after McObama.

It really does not take a clairvoyant to realize the bankers own not only McCain and Obama, but us too.

Sep 18, 2008 - 10:54 am 416. stevo:

I would like to say in the defense of Alex Jones that you people should read Michelle Malkins books and still think she is a defenseless creature.

She attacks human liberty and freedom like a true ‘weapon of mass destruction’ and if you think Alex is being harsh on her, wait until your family is herded into a freakin FEMA camp. These camps are real, and NO FEMA is not in the USA for the defense of the American people, they are FOR the American people.

This is all written in your own government documents and Michelle just comes out and states this in her book. WAKE UP TO THE NWO…It is becoming a real reality, and Alex has been fighting this fact for over 15years now.

Information is the truly dangerous thing in society if misused and Michelle uses Misinformation by omission regularly in her reporting. Wake up people….

Nov 12, 2008 - 6:32 am

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