She attacks human liberty and freedom like a true ‘weapon of mass destruction’ and if you think Alex is being harsh on her, wait until your family is herded into a freakin FEMA camp. These camps are real, and NO FEMA is not in the USA for the defense of the American people, they are FOR the American people.

This is all written in your own government documents and Michelle just comes out and states this in her book. WAKE UP TO THE NWO…It is becoming a real reality, and Alex has been fighting this fact for over 15years now.

Information is the truly dangerous thing in society if misused and Michelle uses Misinformation by omission regularly in her reporting. Wake up people….

Kurt Nimmo
Infowars
September 17, 2008

Earlier today, I wrote about McCain’s harebrained idea to appoint a commission to go after the crooks on Wall Street. McCain is, of course, just rolling out a flimsy parade float constructed of toilet paper, something that will disappear on the day after the election, provided he wins or the Diebold machines come up in his favor. He will say and do anything to get selected.

As it turns out, McCain receives big time support from the very people he promises to clean out of the nooks and crannies of War Street. It didn’t take long for the hypocrites over on the Dem side of the Banker Party to dig up some damage.

“Several of McCain’s most senior campaign aides have lobbied for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. And the Democratic National Committee, using publicly available records, has identified 177 lobbyists working for the McCain campaign as either aides, policy advisers, or fundraisers,” write David Corn, Jonathan Stein, and Nick Baumann for Mother Jones.

Of those 177 lobbyists, according to a Mother Jones review of Senate and House records, at least 83 have in recent years lobbied for the financial industry McCain now attacks. These are high-paid influence-peddlers who have been working the corridors of the nation’s capital to win favors and special treatment for investment banks, securities firms, hedge funds, accounting outfits, and insurance companies. Their clients have included AIG, the newest symbol of corporate excess; Lehman Brothers, which filed for bankruptcy on Monday sending the stock market into a tailspin; Merrill Lynch, which was bought out by Bank of America this week; and Washington Mutual, the banking giant that could be the next to fall. Among these 83 lobbyists are McCain’s chief political adviser, Charlie Black (JP Morgan, Washington Mutual Bank, Freddie Mac, Mortgage Bankers Association of America); McCain’s national finance co-chairman, Wayne Berman (AIG, Blackstone, Credit Suisse, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac); the campaign’s congressional liaison, John Green (Carlyle Group, Citigroup, Icahn Associates, Fannie Mae); McCain’s veep vetter, Arthur Culvahouse (Fannie Mae); and McCain’s transition planning chief, William Timmons Sr. (Citigroup, Freddie Mac, Vanguard Group).

As usual, the Dems stink to high heaven. It’s kinda ironic they’d release this dirt on McPalin when Obama is a banker magnet extraordinarie.

“Lehman Brothers, Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan Chase & Co., UBS and heavyweight law firm DLA Piper are among Obama’s top contributors,” reports the Phoenix Business Journal. “At least 100 Obama bundlers are top executives or brokers from investment businesses: nearly two dozen work for financial titans like Lehman Brothers, Goldman Sachs or Citigroup,” the adds the New York Times.

Funny thing is, it doesn’t matter, because no matter who wins the bankers will own the country lock, stock, and barrel.

Not since the days of Andrew Jackson has a president seriously gone after the bankers. “You are a den of vipers. I intend to rout you out and by the Eternal God I will rout you out. If the people only understood the rank injustice of our money and banking system, there would be a revolution before morning,” Jackson told investment bankers in 1828 as they pestered him to renew their central bank charter.

Founders such as Thomas Jefferson and James Madison opposed the First Bank of the United States, modeled after the Bank of England, and saw it for what it was — an engine for speculation, financial manipulation, and corruption.

Less than a hundred years later, we had the “currency panic” of 1907, and then the Federal Reserve System as a solution. It is currently owned by the Rothschild Bank of London and Berlin, the Warburg Bank of Hamburg, the Lehman Brothers of New York, Goldman, Sachs of New York, the Chase Manhattan Bank of New York, and others, most throwing money after McObama.

It really does not take a clairvoyant to realize the bankers own not only McCain and Obama, but us too.

Or Willis Carto?

“Give me control of a nations money and I care not who writes its laws”
-Amschel Bauer (Rothschild)

“The colonies would gladly have borne the little tax on tea and other matters had it not been that England took away from the colonies their money, which created unemployment and dissatisfaction. The inability of the colonists to get power to issue their own money permanently out of the hands of George III and the international bankers was the prime reason for the revolutionary war.”
-Ben Franklin

“This institution, having no principle but that of avarice, will never be varied in its object…to engross all the wealth, power, and influence
of the state.”
-William Findley – a Pennsylvania leader in 1785

“If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and the corporations which grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their father conquered.”
-Thomas Jefferson

“I wish it were possible to obtain a single amendment to our constitution – taking from the federal government their power of borrowing.”
-Thomas Jefferson

“The hand that gives is above the hand that takes. Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency: their sole object is gain.”
-Napoleon Bonaparte

“It is not our own citizens only who are to receive the bounty of our Government. More than eight million of the stock of this bank are held by foreigners. Is there no danger to our liberty and independence in a bank that in its nature has so little to bind it to our country?

“Controlling our currency, receiving our public moneys, and holding thousands of our citizens in dependence…would be more
formidable and dangerous than a military power of the enemy.”

“If [government] would confine itself to equal protection, and, as heaven does its rains, shower it favor alike on the high and the low, the
rich and the poor, it would be an unqualified blessing. In the act before me there seems to be a wide and unnecessary departure from
these just principles.”
-Andrew Jackson (“Jackson and no bank- his motto)”-1832

“This worthy President thinks that because he has scalped Indians and imprisoned judges, he is to have is way with the bank. He is mistaken”

“Nothing but widespread suffering will produce any effect on congress. Our only safety is in pursuing a steady course of firm restriction – and I have no doubt that such a course will ultimately lead to restoration of the currency and the recharter of the bank.
-Nicholas Biddle – Head of Us Bank against Jackson

“You’re a den of vipers. I intend to route you out and by eternal God I will route you out.”
-Andrew Jackson – In response to Biddle

“I killed the bank.”
-Andrew Jackson – On his death bed when asked what his most accomplishment was.

“The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government of the U.S. since the days of Andrew Jackson.”
- Franklin Delano Roosevelt

“My paramount objective is to save the Union, and it is not either to save or destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it.”
-Abe Lincoln

“The division of the United States into federations of equal force was decided long before the Civil War by the high financial powers of Europe. These bankers were afraid that the United States, if they remained as one block, and as one nation, would attain economic and financial independence, which would upset their financial domination over the world.”
-Otto Von Bismark – Chancellor of Germany

“Why Lincoln, that is easy; just get congress to pass a bill authorizing the printing of full legal tender treasury notes, and pay your soldiers with them and go ahead and win your war with them also.”
-Colonel **** Taylor – on how to finance the Civil War

“The people or anyone else will not have any choice in the matter, if you make them full legal tender. They will have the full sanction of the government and be just as good as any money; as Congress is given that express right by the Constitution.”
-Colonel Taylor – When asked by Abe if they will accept the notes.

“The Government should create, issue, and circulate all the currency and credit needed to satisfy the spending power of the Government and the buying power of consumers.”

“The privilege of creating and issuing money is not only the supreme prerogative of Government, but it is the Government’s greatest creative opportunity.”

“By the adoption of these principles, the taxpayers will be saved immense sums of interest. Money will cease to be master and become the servant of humanity.”
-Abraham Lincoln

“If this mischievous financial policy, which has its origin in North America, shall become endurated down to a fixture, then that Government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off debts and be without debt. It will have all the money necessary to carry on its commerce. It will become prosperous without precedent in the history of the world. The brains and wealth of all countries will go
to North America. That country must be destroyed or it will destroy every monarchy on the globe!”
-Times of New London – Towards the Greenbacks

“In numerous years following the war, the Federal government ran heavy on surplus. It could not [however] pay off its debt, retire or securities, because to do so meant there would be no bonds to back the national bank notes. To pay off the debt was to destroy the money supply.”
-John Kenneth Galbraith – National Bank Act (bank notes).

“The money power preys upon the nation in times of peace and conspires against it in times of adversity. It is more despotic than monarchy, more insolent than autocracy, more selfish than bureaucracy.”
-Abraham Lincoln

“My agency in promoting the passage of the National Banking Act was the greatest financial mistake in my life. It has built upon a monopoly which affects every interest in the country.”
-Salmon P. Chase
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“The death of Lincoln was a disaster for Christendom. There was no man in the United States great enough to wear his boots. I fear the foreign bankers with their craftiness and tortuous tricks will entirely control the exuberant riches of America, and use it systematically to corrupt modern civilization. They will not hesitate to plunge the whole of Christendom into wars and chaos in order that the earth should become their inheritance.”
-Otto Von Bismark

“Abraham Lincoln, the martyred emancipator of the slaves, was assassinated through the machinations of the group representative of the international bankers…who feared the United States President’s national credit ambitions – and the plot was hatched in Toronto and Montreal.”
“They were the men opposed in his national currency program and who had fought him throughout the whole of the Civil War on his
policy of greenback currency.”
“They were the Men interested in the establishment of the Gold Standard money system and the right of the Bankers to manage the currency and credit of every nation in the world.”
“With Lincoln out of the way they were able to proceed with the plan, and did proceed with the plan, and did proceed with it in the United States. Within eight years after Lincoln’s assassination silver was demonetized and the Gold Standard money system set up in the United States.”
-Gerald G. McGeer – Canadian Attorney (70 years after Abes death)

“Whoever controls the volume of money in any country is absolute master of all industry and commerce. And when you realize that the entire system is very easily controlled, one way or another, by a few powerful men at the top, you will not have to be told how periods of inflation and depression originate.”
-James Garfield

“Those not favorable to the money trust could be squeezed out of business and the people frightened into demanding changes in the banking and currency laws which the Money Trust would frame.”
-Charles A Lindbergh – before the Federal Reserve act was passed.

“I was a secretive – indeed, as furtive as any conspirator…discovery, we knew simply must not happen, or else all out time and effort would be wasted. If it were to be exposed that our particular group had got together and written a banking bill, that bill would have no chance whatever of passage by Congress.”
-Frank Vanderlip – President of Citibank – member of Jeckyl Island

“Before passage of this Act, the New York Bankers could only dominate the reserves of New York. Now, we are able to dominate the bank reserves of the entire country.”
-Nelson Aldrich

“Baruch brought Wilson to the Democratic Party Headquarters in New York in 1912, ‘leading him like one would a poodle on a string.’ Wilson received an ‘indoctrination course,’ from the leaders convened there.”
-James Perloff – respected historian

“The Aldrich bill was condemned in the platform. When Woodrow Wilson was nominated…the men who ruled the Democratic Party promised the people that if they were returned to power there would be no central bank established here while they held the reins of government. Thirteen months later that promise was broken, and the Wilson administration, under the tutelage of those sinister Wall
Street figures who stood behind Colonel House, established here in our free country the worm-eaten monarchial institution of the ‘Kings Bank’ to control us from the top downward, and to shackle us from the cradle to the grave.”
-Rep. Louis McFadden (D-Pa)

“The bill grants just what Wall Street and the big banks for twenty-five years have been striving for – private instead of public control of currency…both measures rob the government and the people of all effective control over the public’s money, and vest in the banks exclusively the dangerous power to make money among the people scarce or plenty.”
-Alfred Crozier – Ohio attorney

“This act establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When the President signs this bill, the invisible government by the monetary power will be legalized. The people may not know it immediately; but the day of reckoning is only a few years removed. The worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking bill.”
-Charles Lindbergh (R-Mn)

“…this is the strangest, most dangerous advantage ever placed in the hands of a special privilege class by any government that ever existed. The system is private, conducted for the sole purpose of obtaining the greatest possible profits from the use of other people’s
money.”
-Charles Lindbergh (R-Mn)

“The federal reserve act brought about a super-state controlled by international bankers and international industrialists acting together
to enslave the world for their own pleasure.”
-Louis McFadden (D-Pa)

“In the United States today we have in effect two governments. We have the duly constituted government. Then we have an independent, uncontrolled and uncoordinated government in the Federal Reserve System, operating the money powers which are reserved to Congress by the Constitution.”
-Wright Patman (D-TX)

“We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled governments in the civilized world: no longer a government of free opinion, no longer a government by a vote of the majority; but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.”
-Woodrow Wilson

“Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know there is a power so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.”
-Woodrow Wilson

“I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our
system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world. No longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority; but a government by the opinion and
duress of a small group of dominant men.”
-Woodrow Wilson

“It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be
a revolution before tomorrow morning.”
-Henry Ford
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Do you KNOW curt Maynard’s stuff? More violent racism would be hard to find.

So tell me – are you familiar with Curt Maynard?

Rivero promotes the whole range of Carto’s anti-semitic and fascist bullshit – IHR, Barnes Review, AFP blah blah………holocaust denial, anti-semitism, world jewish conspiracy, nazi apologia etc.,………

Rivero promotes a whole range of far-right extremism.

And AJ works with him.

And he works with big jim tucker whom is close colleague of Carto for 20 years+

Not just “connections”.

And I didn’t say “Alex Jones IS a fascist”. My point is a little more subtle – I say he PROMOTES fascism, and is an example of how fascism has infiltrated 911 Troof.

He is CAREFUL about what he says – fascists KNOW they are despised, hence their need to disguise to themselves.

I said:

“The far-right recognised that 911 conspiracy was a vehicle for their anti-semitism, and could work as a feeder into the wider Hitlerite fantasy of “world jewish conspiracy” – and thereby propagating genuine fascism. There are even threads about it over at Stormfront. Alex Jones says exactly the same things as nazi jewish conspiracism, except he’s particularly careful to use euphemisms, such as “bankers, globalists, bilderbergers” etc…. Alex appeals to both the politically ignorant and the initiated fascist, whom is well-used to reading between the lines of euphemisms such as Alex employs.”

All true, of course.

Alex doesn’t have to be explicit – his audience can (and clearly do!) connect the dots for themselves.

pgilmo: “I don’t get the drift. Don’t really know what you’re implying. Because he supports security measures? Or because he as “salivating” at it?”

You don’t get it? You don’t find it contradictory that Alex is forever going on about the rising “police state” – and then he wants a security fence, with hi-tech surveillance blah blah blah?

Some “libertarian”! getting the horn for Israeli style fence!

His libertarian position is a scam. Racists, anti-semites and violent thugs had far greater “liberty” under nazism than weimar. See?

Such contradictions are illuminated by his connections with genuine fascism. And his connections are more real than most of the connections he himself makes between things. Refuse to see the relevance of Jones’ connections to fascism, and you should also refuse almost everything AJ himself has ever said: his whole MO is spurious vague “connections”. Funny you find Jones’ connections irrelevant……

At least you seem to now accept they exist.

So tell me, are you familiar with Curt Maynard and Carto’s views, organisations, and methods?

And I didn’t know that you have to denounce something when you don’t promote it in any way. Obviously, I’m against a strong centralized authoritarian government, that suppresses any criticism or opposition of the regime through violence, and I am against exalting nation, state, or religion above the individual. I am pretty much against all the core tenets of fascism.

The only idea that may seem similar is populism. Some may consider Jones a right-wing populist. These parties and movements differ from many far-right parties in that they accept representative democracy and disavow violent political tactics. They are considered radical because they oppose the current welfare system and the present political system – right-wing because they oppose aspects of socialism and have traditional policies on immigration – and populist because they appeal to the fears and frustrations of common citizens.

Also, the word fascist is sometimes used to denigrate people, institutions, or groups that would not describe themselves as ideologically fascist, and that may not fall within the formal definition of the word. As a political epithet, the word fascist has been applied mainly to a broad range of people and groups on the extreme right, but also to groups on the far left and at points in between. It has also been applied to people of many religious faiths, particularly fundamentalist groups. The individual, institution, or groups called fascist often find the use of the term in this way to be highly offensive and inappropriate.

In a sense, Jones did this to Malkin in the heat of the moment, based on her support for concepts that are at least loosely inspired by the ideology of actual fascism. You, on the other hand, continue to accuse Jones of being fascist through his “connections” and through weak evidence of racism/anti-Semitism.

As for Rivero and justifying hate, I question your motives because you seem to be jumping the gun on this anti-Semite buzzword. You’re jumping to conclusions there a little too quick, don’t ya think? How do you KNOW he knows it was refuted? If he does, maybe he doesn’t believe the refutation? Maybe he thinks it’s still a legitimate quote? Maybe there’s some other reason that it hasn’t been removed?

“AJ: That thing’s beautiful……..I’ve literally seen photos of that thing and I start salivating on it.
———GET THE DRIFT?????——“

Actually no, I don’t get the drift. Don’t really know what you’re implying. Because he supports security measures? Or because he as “salivating” at it? Have you ever heard his show before??? Ever hear how he exaggerates and rants?

And the Jews against Zionism comment was probably in regard to the anti-Semitism that YOU brought up.

And rather than condemnation of Malkin’s racist tyrannical views – and more importantly we don’t even bring them into question as if they are perfectly acceptable – we get bogus accusations of fascism, racism and anti-Semitism – used as buzzwords – in attempt to discredit all of 9/11 truth…blah blah blah.

And is it really news to anyone that there are jews whom are not zionists?

I wonder – do you always give special attention to what jews think about any given issue?

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Rather than condemnation of Alex’s obvious brownshirting of Malkin we get zionism, definitions of jews, blah blah blah

Shock. Hardly rebuts my point.

Indeed – this thread is itself an illustration of one of the major crossover points between 911troof and fascism – anti-semitism.

The potential is absolutely definite. But how much of this cross-fertilisation is happening? Hard to tell when so many troofers are clearly as dishonest and manipulative as fascists.

But that alone tells you something.

If 911 troof really has a point – then it should be ashamed of itself for having failed so dreadfully. It’s failed – and now it’s self-obsessed. Hmmm. And it behaves so badly – what about the good example, for chrissakes? 911troof has been taken over by charlatans, manipulators, censors, paymasters…….you name it.

The complete refusal of troofers to even acknowledge the problem is surely not a good sign.