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1. JAZ:

Great point Taylor. Even with the acrimony and hatred between Kennedy and Johnson, Kennedy picked Johnson because he was leader enough to do what was right for his party. Reagan did the same with Bush.

Obambi is so lacking in judgment and leadership skills that he has brought this fiasco on himself.

As for trying to fob this mess off on the Republicans and Mac, Craig Crawford of MSNBC, hardly a Republican mouthpiece, is reporting about the meltdown between Obambi and Clinton’s supporters.

Face the fact…Obambi’s first major decision is a disaster.

Aug 25, 2008 - 12:11 pm 2. Kevin:

Taylor,
How come there will be none of the following groups at the RNC:
1. Communists
2. Militant gays
3. Environmental “activists”
4. Nihilists
5. Anarchists
6. Black Liberation theologists
7. La Raza
8. Code Pink
9. Ward Churchill and his merry men
10.Cindy Sheehan & her gals
11. Feminazis
Just curious.

Aug 25, 2008 - 12:21 pm 3. SAF:

i agree the press has overblown the schism. what is surprising is they did it their favored party the Democrats. I guess when it comes to making interesting news the press doesn’t care whose ox they gore.

On the other hand when the fact emerges that the schism isn’t anywhere near as deep or bad as the press said there will be the great sigh of relief and a pick up in the poles for Obama, just what the media would love.

Aug 25, 2008 - 12:37 pm 4. jvon:

Who are “Bush’s people” working for McCain? Specifics?

I think the McCain strategy is clever, to encourage infighting among Democrats. You disagree because, I infer, you are a Democrat yourself.

The fact of the matter is, Obama represents the far left fringe of the party. Hillary’s supporters are centrists — the very swing voters that decide every election. The Democrats blundered badly by nominating the wrong candidate, and of course the Republicans are going to capitalize on that. They’d be fools not to.

Welcome to politics.

Aug 25, 2008 - 12:41 pm 5. GL:

JAZ: “Face the fact…Obambi’s first major decision is a disaster.”

Just like his first (and only) foreign policy judgment while in the Senate… 100% wrong on the surge.

This guy isn’t qualified to run your local McDonald’s… much less the country.

Aug 25, 2008 - 12:42 pm 6. JAZ:

GL: Great point. Ofcourse I also almost forgot about how Obambi said he would fillibuster telecom immunity and then voted for it after the primary.

Aug 25, 2008 - 1:21 pm 7. Pajamas Media » Live from DNC: ‘Ask Charlie Anything’:

[...] feeling of the mood is more or less like Taylor Marsh’s, if not quite so definite: what I’m hearing is that at least some of Hillary’s delegates [...]

Aug 25, 2008 - 2:14 pm 8. David Thomson:

The split between the Obama and the Clinton camps only has to be relatively minor to do a lot of damage on Election Day. Every vote counts in a tight race. Obama needs enthusiastic Hillary supporters. Ho-hum ones will not get the job done.

Aug 25, 2008 - 2:17 pm 9. sydney jane:

Well, first of all, of course Hillary is going to say she supports Barack and supports him wholeheartedly. As a good Democrat, what else do you expect her to say, even if she may not believe it in her heart?

I understand there are some Hillary supporters who will never accept Barack, but the same would have been true for many African Americans if Barack had lost the nomination (I recall the statement was that they would make it “rain on McCain” if Barack wasn’t the nominee). There are people on both sides who would have either stayed home or voted for McCain instead, and we shouldn’t blame Hillary any more than we would have blamed Obama for the actions of their supporters.

But, I agree, I think this whole Clinton-Obama drama is being overblown. Mainly, by the media to get people to watch the telecast and build up ratings. Otherwise, why would anyone watch? First black nominee, yeah, yeah, we know. But, that’s why we have YouTube. And, if you’ve heard one Barack speech, really, you’ve heard them all.

Aug 25, 2008 - 2:17 pm 10. vletek:

Taylor – She lost. Get over it. The two camps ARE fighting and still competing for power. So what. Their joint statement was just spin.All this whining and pouting is so unbecoming.

Aug 25, 2008 - 2:18 pm 11. Max Regor:

Debra Bartoshevich is a pledged delegate, not a super delegate.

Aug 25, 2008 - 2:24 pm 12. Clyde:

Oh yeah??? This is hot off the presses:

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/25/chicago-clinton-supporter-obama-mentor-called-me-uncle-tom/

Delmarie Cobb of Chicago told FOX News Monday that Illinois Senate President Emil Jones hurled the racially charged insult against her late Saturday for speaking out in support of Clinton. Although Democrats at the convention are trying to project an image of unity, there is lingering bitterness between the Clinton and Obama camps, in part because each side accused the other of playing the race card during the primaries.

Cobb said Jones called her “Uncle Tom” in front of a group of Chicago aldermen in a hotel lobby after the two began a playful conversation that turned edgy as Cobb accused Jones of gloating over Obama’s victory. Jones then insinuated that Clintons played “gutter politics,” according to Cobb, who ended the conversation by announcing it was “time for me to go.”

“I walked away and said good night and walked over across the hall to the elevators,” she recalled. “And he shouted across the lobby, ‘Uncle Tom!’

“And I came back over and said, ‘Excuse me, what did you just say?’ And he grabbed me by my arms and started laughing. And I said, ‘No, no. What did you just say?’ And he didn’t repeat it. And I said, ‘Did you call me an Uncle Tom?’ And then I came back with a barrage of things that I won’t repeat publicly.”

The Chicago Sun-Times quoted several aldermen who witnessed the exchange and confirmed that Jones called Cobb an “Uncle Tom.”

“I am firm in my convictions,” Cobb told FOX News. “Supporting Hillary Clinton is not a litmus test for being black.”

uh, oh!!! Doesn’t sound overblown to me!

Aug 25, 2008 - 2:32 pm 13. Frank Logan:

“A House Divided Against Itself Cannot Stand”- Abraham Lincoln June 1858

Hillary supporters number in the millions,and approximately 25% of them are going to sit out the presidential election in protest of how Hillary was supposedly treated by the Obamacrats. Another 25%, give or take, are going to vote for McCain, because Hillary painted an accurate picture of Obama during the primaries. “Country first, then Party” is their mantra. The current democratic party is badly divided against itself and cannot win this election.

Aug 25, 2008 - 3:34 pm 14. Rachel Peepers:

I’m just a college girl with no real affiliation with Hillary or politics or women’s lib. Admittedly, I don’t know the ins and outs; the intricacies of politics like you guys do.

But I do know this.

If I were Hillary Clinton, and received 18 million votes in the primary election, I’d be steamed and miffed, not to mention hurt when Barack Obama didn’t even give me a courtesy vetting for Vice President. I’d be vexed.

I ask you, how many votes did Joe Biden receive? 17,000?

Then, again, over these recent election months, in my humble opinion, I can’t say I’m surprised at Barack’s insensitivity to Hillary. In point of fact, during the whole primary process, many believe he’s shown a continuously grotesque insensitivity to women.

Let’s start with his Grandmother who helped raise him from a little tot. Barack repaid her love, kindness and care by calling his Grandmother a typical white woman with an apron-full of racist viewpoints and beliefs.

Then there’s the remarks made about long time Hillary supporter, Ann Lewis, which I’m frankly too embarrassed to repeat. But one of the things he called her rhymes with bunt. I was fuming mad when I heard Barack make these lurid, mean spirited, unacceptable, anti-female remarks.

And there was the offhanded remark about Oprah’s weight. After all Oprah has done for Barack. I do declare. I thought this was hugely unkind and uncalled for.

Oprah’s thyroid problem is what’s causing her to balloon up to well over 225 pounds.

Really, I do so want to vote for Barack to see the first black man President, but I wish he would start bashing McCain and stop saying these things; making these jokes and statements about women.

Am I being too judgmental? Perhaps. At least, Barack is respectful to his beautiful wife, Michelle.

Speaking of Michelle, if she cannot find it in her heart to be proud of America, I can understand where she’s coming from. Many black women agree wholeheartedly with her that this nation must do more than just talk about equality; about having an even playing field.

“This country must show their seriousness in its deeds”, said Michelle last week. It must start healing some open wounds.

She went on, “When this country pays reparations to black female descendants of slavery or those willing to sign a statement that they’ve been discriminated against, then and only then, will I, Michelle Obama, even consider being proud of this country.”

Frankly, I don’t care what Barack Obama says about women.

I, Rachel Peepers am proud to be one.

But dissing Hillary is hard for me to get over. It’s a sticking point like a crawbone in my throat. Hillary received 18 million votes, but not a courtesy vetting. Just think, 18 million. Those, I submit, are numbers too big to ignore.

Aug 25, 2008 - 3:45 pm 15. Ronsonic:

Bill Clinton is expected to give a speech that asserts that Obama will make a better commander in chief than McCain – He can’t be happy about drawing that straw. Really, there’s only so much you can ask of a man. Will Bill finally flunk the giggle test and be unable to keep a straight face while making his case?

Aug 25, 2008 - 4:06 pm 16. Believer:

I know what Miss Peepers means.

BO has been awfully dismissive of women. The name calling(!) – and I’ll not easily forget “Sweetie, I’ll get to you in a minute…”

He’s not a secure man at all, I’m thinking. I remember Hillary made an awfully big deal out of those 18 million votes in her concession speech. More than once she said, “We put 18 million cracks in that glass ceiling.”

Do you suppose BO is nasty enough to think she wasn’t acknowledging the men who voted for her?

Aug 25, 2008 - 5:48 pm 17. cedarford:

Ronsonic – Bill Clinton is expected to give a speech that asserts that Obama will make a better commander in chief than McCain – He can’t be happy about drawing that straw. Really, there’s only so much you can ask of a man. Will Bill finally flunk the giggle test and be unable to keep a straight face while making his case?

Very tough, because while Clinton had no military or immediate foreign policy experience, he had almost 20 years of executive experience serving as AG and Governor and leader of the centrist DNC when he ran when he was near Obama’s age. And while minimal, he did have some exposure to foreign policy as an adult student at Oxford, in trips abroad as a sitting governor to attract foreign investment to Arkansas.

Now he is expected to swallow the racist allegations against him, the claim that Hillary has less sound judgment than Obama on foreign policy *, and lie his ass off that Obama is as ready to lead as he was.
And expose himself again as a shameless liar doing what is expedient and expected of him, and being “unusually good” at such lies. And odds are he will do it anyways.

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* – One of the great mysteries of this campaign is how the Clintons were unable to debunk the “Obamessiah” is the Wisest of All on foreign policy because he gave a 2002 anti-Iraq War speech to Leftist constituents in his Leftist Hyde Park community.

At the time, Obama was joined by Fidel Castro, Vladimir Putin, Susan Sarandon, Tariq Azziz, Jacques de Villepin, Red Ken, George Galloway, all making voiciferous 2002 anti-Iraq intervention speeches on behalf of their Leftist and pro-Saddam interests.
Opposed, and in favor of an ultimatum were people that had read the intelligence or who had consulted with the other leaders that did – Joe Biden, Rockefeller, Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, Diane Feinstein, and over half the Democrat “wonks” as well as nearly all Republicans outside the “Buchanan sorts” who believed Neocons were manipulating America into a needless war.

Somehow, Hillary could not discredit Obama as a blind Leftist operating in a complete absence of intelligence on Iraq. His speech not challenged by her as an artifice arising purely out of Leftist ideology like Putin, Castro, and Sarandon did…or the bribed Galloway, Kofi, and de Villipen.

Instead of slapping Putin and Castro on him, she committed perhaps the campaign’s greatest failure. Afraid to alienate the Democrats infuriated by Bush, Rumsfeld, and Bremers catastrophic mistakes in Iraq – she let Obama pound away in debate after debate, in commercial after commercial, in speech after honey-dripping speech – that:

1. He was the Great Thinker and the Young Man of Perfect Foreign Policy Judgment – because despite his inexperience – he got his 2002 speech to get SDS radical’s Chicago vote riiiight.

2. And Hillary, Biden, Nunn, Kissinger, and all the intel agencies from the UK to China were wrong, and lacked His great foreign policy wisdom.

That’s all on Hillary. She let herself get bitch-slapped into being Wrong on foreign policy, experience, and judgment by a man who was parroting Putin’s words, to roughly the same constituencies as Putin’s.

Aug 25, 2008 - 7:04 pm 18. Portones:

“… McCain’s people, a.k.a. Bush’s people …”

Talk about overblown. I guess we know where you’re coming from.

Aug 25, 2008 - 10:00 pm 19. john from cinncinati:

Hillery a centrist? wait? what? this match up is a script borrowed from the movie “the Highlander”, “there can be only one!” the far left spot Hillery vacated a few years ago was taken by Obama. that’s what happens when the music stops. to misquote Goldilocks”this one is to left, and that one is to right, the one in the middle is just right.” oops the democrats wanted something a little more to the left, and Goldilocks is being thrown under the bus. dang bears you just can’t trust them.

Aug 25, 2008 - 11:16 pm 20. john from cinncinati:

if Romney would have gotten the the win, Hillery would have been the perfect candidate. keeping the same distance between candidates, Obama would have been dropped like a stone. Rush Limbaugh called Mccain a liberal, so the distance between HRC and JMCC was to small.

Aug 25, 2008 - 11:41 pm 21. Keegy United States - Live from DNC: Stoking the Clinton-Obama Drama:

[...] Live from DNC: Stoking the Clinton-Obama Drama [...]

Aug 26, 2008 - 3:01 pm 22. Ann:

Just keep on thinking that, Taylor. You can add the “unity” meme to your belief in true love and the Easter Bunny. If there’s so much “love” between the Obama and Clinton camps, than why did “Howard the Dean” feel that it was necessary to “manage” the only two-term Democratic President since FDR by putting him on a five second delay? It’s not just irritating, it wasn’t just insulting, it was designed to humiliate and minimize him. And I take that personally.

So, as seem to be all out of “change,” I’m not voting for Senator Happy Kitten Sparkly Puppy Pants. “Unity” can suck it. The O-Bam-a-Trons have made it pretty apparent that they don’t need or want me. I can’t do it, I can’t vote for the bloated sack of “Illinesian” self-satisfaction, and that’s that. (I’m from Wisconsin, and that’s what we call our narcissistic neighbors to the South. The Illinesians got our Cheese-head drinking age re-raised to 21, the bastards. Obama, who is my age, probably helped them. I’ve decided to blame him regardless.)

This was a hard decision for me, maybe about as hard as whether I should put down carpet that my new puppy can continue to pee on or I should put in laminate flooring. But, like my floor, I’ve been urinated on so many times by the Trons, that I’ve lost count. I’ve come to realize that, if you don’t spank the puppy, the puppy keeps peeing. I’m done being peed on, thanks. I’ve also come to realize that you can’t criticize what you affirm. And, if the Obama-tante wins, I plan on being very, very critical indeed.

(And before the whining starts about larger policy concerns, please remember that Miss Thang has flipped flopped so many things, it’s ludicrous. He’s flipped on FISA, has refused matching funds, has prevaricated about his Iraq plans (which, of course, were SO much better than Hillary’s) and has allowed evangelicals to WRITE the party’s abortion platform. Some Democrat, huh? But the children love him, don’t they? God knows we can’t disappoint them. The problem is that I’m just sick of getting the government that someone else deserves.

Aug 28, 2008 - 7:09 pm

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