86 Comments

1. Matthew:

Sure, and absolutely NOBODY on the right is trying to capitalise on the fort hood shooting.

Nov 25, 2009 - 2:32 am 2. Mike2:

“They claimed — as they have for several years — that the pistol is a threat to pierce police body armor, and that armor-piercing ammunition for this firearm is readily available.”

As usual the anti-gun nuts don’t do their homework and still haven’t made the distinction between a firearm and specific cartridge types. Their ignorance and hyperbole are the best weapons those of us that value the Second Amendment have. That and the fact that most of the groups that wish to ban guns also love to coddle criminals.

Nov 25, 2009 - 3:18 am 3. RickGreenvilleSC:

Here we go again. . . Maybe we had better ban steak knives too, after all, people are murdered with them. . . oh, and cars too, and baseball bats, and shovels and pitchforks, etc. It is not the object, it is the person who is the problem.Shoot that nidal sob and bury him with a pig( a real one, not nancy pelosi) and see how that makes these muslim terrorists think twice. I await either the censorship of PJM or the loud squeals of the pigs, i mean trolls.

Nov 25, 2009 - 4:01 am 4. John "birther" Samford:

Gun control freaks have under developed frontal lobes. They blame the gun because that is what they can see and feel. The fact that it’s the person using the gun that matters requires conceptualization, which requires frontal lobes;

http://www.brainsource.com/criminal_brain.htm

Have pity on them, they are literally ’stuck on stupid’.
On a positive note, modern society requires frontal lobes to make the Darwin Cut. So eventually, gun control freaks will die off. Sort of like Emu’s and Dodo’s.

Nov 25, 2009 - 4:15 am 5. Not Just Anti-Gun:

Let’s modify Mr. Owens article to reflect more of the truth in reality.

The anti-gun groups are pinning their hopes on a president who is not only one of them, but a man who has demonstrated time and again that he is obsessed with inflicting as much embarrassment, damage, harm and weakening of America as possible.

At this point normal and reasonable people would hope that Mr. Obama would consider the political calculations involved with issuing an executive order banning sale of the Five-seveN pistol, but that kind of thinking is a fatal mistake.

Barrack Hussein Obama mastered the arts of manipulating individuals and races of people to get what he wants, but his karma is cold hearted Islamic Muslim. That makes him a very dangerous threat to a lot more than our Second Amendment.

Nov 25, 2009 - 4:58 am 6. blotto:

Matthew: Grow up. If you have something to offer, offer it as an adult. Don’t just come here and post just to see your own post.

Give us an example of how the right is using the terrorist attack to further our cause?

Nov 25, 2009 - 7:02 am 7. Anonymous:

Crazed jihadists no one wants to do anything about are okay, but since Hasan used a gun they want to ban ‘em. Makes perfect liberal sense (i.e., none).

Nov 25, 2009 - 7:12 am 8. Moho:

Blotto. Grow up, lol. His point is self-evident and, indeed to be expected. Those on the right and left capitalize on such things, of course. Only an idiot or a liar would even try to deny that point. If you want evidence, visit Radosh’s blog. Or just about any blog on this site with the name Hasan in it. In them, you’ll find ever more shrill and desperate pleas to unload patience and empirical methods to come to a conclusion with the first, 1, 12, 24, 48, 72 hours. And still, please rush to judgement, so that we can score our Jihad fantasy points. Trying to outlaw the gun used is based on the same logic as pursuing a witch hunt of Muslims in the military, based on the same prejudiced and politically motivated ainine logic. Except outlawing the gun, as ludicrous as it would be, would hurt no innocent people.

Nov 25, 2009 - 7:20 am 9. Now and Then:

Maybe if we banned Muslims AND Christians we’d all be better off. (We can leave the Jews alone. They’ve had enough trouble.)

Nov 25, 2009 - 7:39 am 10. anonymous:

3. RickGreenvilleSC: “Here we go again. . . Maybe we had better ban steak knives too, after all, people are murdered with them. . . oh, and cars too, and baseball bats, and shovels and pitchforks, etc.”

Great point! And by logical extension, we should do away with all background checks because, after all, a felon or a moron like Rick could always get ahold of a steak knife or pitchfork if he wanted to kill someone. (Yes, Rick, once again it’s the trolls vs. the a-holes.)

Nov 25, 2009 - 8:03 am 11. Poor Citizen:

People that sell guns to criminals should pay a ten thousand dollar fine (or three months in prison) for every crime the criminal commits with the hand gun they sold them. That should put some teeth into the meely mouth week kneed legislation we already have.

And I have not read about any Obama led anti-gun legislation recently and you have not provided any proof of that so your arguement is based on hearsay and fantasy, therefore, irrelevant to debate.

Good Luck

Nov 25, 2009 - 8:09 am 12. myth buster:

Now and Then, without Christians in the military, we wouldn’t have a military. 75% of the military consists of Catholics and Baptists, with over 10% more belonging to other Christian denominations. Though I suppose an America that is unable to fight wars is exactly what tyrant lovers like you want.

Nov 25, 2009 - 8:09 am 13. Real Deal:

…once again it’s the trolls vs. the a-holes

Aren’t they one and the same?

Nov 25, 2009 - 8:21 am 14. moho:

Real Deal:

Can you read, you freakin illiterate doosh?

Nov 25, 2009 - 8:44 am 15. EDS:

When guns get outlawed, only Hasan will have guns.
He’s OK with that.

Nov 25, 2009 - 8:49 am 16. Dark Helmet:

They need to come and get my asault pencil that I am going to penetrate the frontal lobe with ( assuming I can locate any grey matter in the heads of gun control cowards in the effort ) when they come to take my 88 magnum.

For those of you ballisticly challenged, that would be 4 .22’s bundled together with a baby seal pelt.

I got one while in Alaska at the last Palin cookie sale. ( that was just for you moho….)

This muslim terrorist would of used a car, a bus, a spork, whatever he could find. Everyone being able to defend themselves at all times is the only thing that ensures a substantial decrease in crazy, or minimizes it’s duration here on earth once it starts.

Gun control is hitting what your aiming at.

We need more birth control so that it doesn’t have to become a retroactive issue.

Let’s start with taking out meca.

Nov 25, 2009 - 9:13 am 17. Dark Helmet:

Being the crappy movie buff that I am, I would suggest everyone watch that Gov of Ca classic,

Gonand the Cone Head…. no wait, that’s Conan the Barbarian.

Here’s why, the snake cult caused people to turn against everything that life had been built on and was a culture of death.

Here we see the parallel with suicide bombers, plane crashers, boat bangers, shooters, , grocery cart smashers. ( surely someone will load up a cart with gas and run into the express lane with a match screaming ” allah f*ing snack bar!!!! )

My point being, aside from looking like obama as he turned into the snake,
( very very creepy ), it was not until the ’snakes head’ was removed that the cult died.

Such as it is with islam. Remove the leaders and everyone will be fine. No more issue.

Very worthy of noting when Doom states the reality here of where we find ourselves, ” What is the power of steel against the hand that wields the sword ?” and proceeds to call a young maiden to step to her death by saying. ” Come to me, my child”.

So you see, it is the brain that controls the hand that holds the sword, not the assualt spork.

We must… cut the head…. off the snake.

Give them all hell moho!

dh

Nov 25, 2009 - 9:31 am 18. sasquatch:

As has been noted elsewhere it was very fortunate that Hasan had bought into the anti-gun-nut crap about the FN57N.
The cartridge was designed for the carbine…the pistol is an after-thought.
In principle, the carbine and cartridge are silly in concept. The characteristics that yield the armour piercing properties result in a dismal, minor terminal effect on un-armoured victims. Unless the bullet actually hits something vital, the victim will survive.
Hasan was taken down by conventional big bore, low velocity slugs which impart massive hydrostatic shock and tissue damage.
The S190 merely punches through the subject without much hydro-static shock.
In fact, the number of wounded versus dead, illustrates this. How many of the wounded were injured by the same bullet exiting the original subject?
We should be grateful that the .357 Magnum Hasan also carried was never used.

Nov 25, 2009 - 9:50 am 19. goy:

@8. Moho: – … outlawing the gun, as ludicrous as it would be, would hurt no innocent people.

Self-contradict much?

If the act of outlawing this particular firearm is ludicrous, according to you, then the innocent people who would be harmed by such an act would be the law-abiding citizens, inasmuch as the law by which they abide has thereby been transformed into a ludicrous travesty.

This is to say nothing of the manufacturers and distributors of this product, who would be damaged financially for no good reason since, as you claim, an act outlawing this firearm would be ludicrous.

You should pay more attention to what you post.

Anyway, the real comedy in this letter to BHO is its lame whine about the firearm having been originally intended for the military. By now it seems fairly common knowledge – even among the idiots who run these hysterical organizations – that Hasan was military.

Nov 25, 2009 - 9:52 am 20. Leif Rakur:

Easy guns mean easy murder.

Nov 25, 2009 - 10:10 am 21. HEP-T:

Ban it all they want, it will make it more desirable and more expensive, Banning this weapon will drive up sales and before ya know it there will be more of these pistols than there would have been otherwise.
The ban on assault rifles back in the old days actually made them more desirable.
Banning alcohol back in prohibition just made the country desire alcohol even more and what was sold was tax free.
Look what the election of Obama (PBUH) did for ammo sales!

Nov 25, 2009 - 10:17 am 22. HEP-T:

Leif: It’s the attitude of “easy murder” that makes murder “easy” not the presence of firearms.
I know a lady who was killed by her son with a baseball bat. How would the hardness or easyness of a gun made this murder any more or less “easy” It’s the hard heart that kills the firearm is only a tool like a hammer which also can be used to kill.
So in your view an “easy” baseball bat mean “easy murder”?

Nov 25, 2009 - 10:21 am 23. moho:

Self-contradict much?
No.

Nov 25, 2009 - 10:25 am 24. Skyfox:

I will probably never own a Five-SeveN, so one might think I wouldn’t care much, but I do. Every step on the road to gun confiscation is a step closer to destroying my power to oppose those enemies, foreign and domestic, as I swore to do 37 years ago. Make no mistake, Obama is a fascist and he has no regard for your freedoms.

Nov 25, 2009 - 10:46 am 25. moho:

Every step on the road to gun confiscation is a step closer to destroying my power to oppose those enemies, foreign and domestic, as I swore to do 37 years ago.

Because I’m Batman. LoL. Total masturbatory dooshdroid.

Nov 25, 2009 - 11:00 am 26. blotto:

moho: Your post makes no point. Do you just post for a reason other than to make an ass of yourself.

Please, post a response to the topic or what anyone has written that is debatable and not just boilerplate, inane drivel that you think is cutting edge sarcasm, or charicature.

Well then give me an example of the “right” using the Hasan act of terrorism as a basis for scoring points.

Nov 25, 2009 - 11:07 am 27. Mark Turner:

“20. Leif Rakur:

Easy guns mean easy murder.”

Stupid comments mean a stupid poster. Thank you for proving that Mr. Simpleton.

Nov 25, 2009 - 11:21 am 28. Mark Turner:

Bob,

The sporting purposes cluse applies only to longarms. Pistols fall under a points system defined by statute in the 1968 GCA.

Obama has no legal framework to form a basis for an EO. It would not hold up in court.

Nov 25, 2009 - 11:24 am 29. Steve H:

[moho]
> as pursuing a witch hunt of Muslims in the military

Who exactly has advocated a *witch hunt*? Pointing out that the military should keep an eye on someone, *anyone*, who actively has declared that he sympathizes with terrorists and sides with the enemy in current conflicts, is not a witch hunt. It is simply *push back* against a policy that has been as lax as it is discriminatory and which has cost lives (would anyone believe that a christian fundamentalist would have gotten away with giving sermons on grad rounds?)

Nov 25, 2009 - 11:25 am 30. Kenneth A. Maxey:

I can’t believe that a large group of soldiers in the Army could not defend themselves. Where were their side-arms and why did they have to call the police to end the massacre?

Nov 25, 2009 - 11:30 am 31. Moho:

Blotto. I blame our schools. I wrote:

If you want evidence, visit Radosh’s blog. Or just about any blog on this site with the name Hasan in it. In them, you’ll find ever more shrill and desperate pleas to unload patience and empirical methods to come to a conclusion with the first, 1, 12, 24, 48, 72 hours. And still, please rush to judgement, so that we can score our Jihad fantasy points.

Nov 25, 2009 - 11:33 am 32. Brian:

Or, you can conclude that if a gun-free zone filled with trained soldiers was still a shooting gallery for one man with a weapon, what good are any gun-free zones in protecting those inside?

Nov 25, 2009 - 11:39 am 33. RebeccaH:

Instead of banning guns, wouldn’t it make more sense to arm law-abiding citizens so they can defend themselves?

Oh, wait. I said “sense”.

Nov 25, 2009 - 11:50 am 34. Doug S.:

@ #8. moho

To remove firearms from legal ownership would pose a threat to innocent life by removing a means of self deffense. Firearms are used over 2 million time a year in self deffense. This number is from the FBI Uniform Crime Report.

Firearms are not the problem. They could and should be part of the solution. One armed citizen at Ft. Hood, Columbine, Virginia Tech., or any other such place could have saved many lives.

Nov 25, 2009 - 11:53 am 35. Marky-Mark:

Umm… A fifty round box of ammo at $40/ round = $2,000. Want to try again?

Actual per round price is $16, still steep, but let’s not get carried away here.

Molon Labe !!

Nov 25, 2009 - 11:55 am 36. Meo:

The area where the attack occured had gun control. No guns allowed. How many lives did gun control save?

Nov 25, 2009 - 11:57 am 37. AD:

KAM: By Presidential Order (W.J.Clinton, 1993), no military personnel may possess, or carry, a firearm while on a Stateside post unless it is in conjuction with training, or duty (MP’s).

Nov 25, 2009 - 12:01 pm 38. Doug S.:

defense…….opps

Nov 25, 2009 - 12:10 pm 39. Now and Then:

12. myth buster:
“Now and Then, without Christians in the military, we wouldn’t have a military. ”

That suggests people join the military BECAUSE they’re Christians. You can’t say that. You can wildly claim it, but you can’t prove it. Seems to me they join in spite of the fact they’re Christians. And actually, more people in the military claim to be “unaffiliated” than do people in the general population.

Similarly, if America is 80% Christian as some here claim, then why do we need a police force? Surely we can corral those 20% who aren’t Christians who are committing 100% of the crime. Unless being a Christian really doesn’t mean all that much where committing crime and waging war are concerned.

Nov 25, 2009 - 12:17 pm 40. Shelby:

Bob:

I’m sympathetic to your cause, but as Marky-Mark suggests above you need to correct the per-cartridge figure.

Nov 25, 2009 - 12:22 pm 41. Dwight:

In #6 Blotto wrote, “Give us an example of how the right is using the terrorist attack to further our cause?”

Are you kidding me? For at least one solid week afterwards there was all this ghastly howling about how since the Obama and the media were not labeling it terrorism that they were PC, soft on terrorism, blah, blah. There were even mutterings that this would have not happened had GWB been President. It was blatant gothcha stuff.

Nov 25, 2009 - 12:45 pm 42. Dark Helmet:

Okay….. crickets. Let’s try this another way.

This is to all you self appointed giant brainy types who have this reduced, once again, to displaying your flashy bang stick know how. You all seem to be more interested in jumping on any one who might have another take than discussing the issue.

The way to approach this then is by asking yourself a simple question. (Get this right and you may be the grand prize winner for brainiac of the day, all shall kneel before you and kiss your keyboard.)

The problem as we see it is a box. How many sides of the box are there?

Now, you can ignore this and keep on closeing your eyes , sticking your fingers in your ears and chanting,” la la la la la la la ….. I can’t hear you because you’re not like me…” Or….. maybe take a step back and consider the basics at play here, using the box.

moho, surely you might want to take a ponder from over yonder….

It solves itself.

dh

Nov 25, 2009 - 12:49 pm 43. moho:

Oh, wait. I said “sense”.

Yes, it struck me as odd too.

Nov 25, 2009 - 12:56 pm 44. moho:

Dark Helmet:
Here’s why, the snake cult caused people to turn against everything that life had been built on and was a culture of death.

Here we see the parallel with suicide bombers, plane crashers, boat bangers, shooters, , grocery cart smashers. ( surely someone will load up a cart with gas and run into the express lane with a match screaming ” allah f*ing snack bar!!!! )

You’re seriously deluding yourself by looking for examples of “culture of death” elsewhere. Just pick up a paper. The day after Hasan’s shooting spree, some other nut went to his work place and shot it up. It happens weekly in YOUR CULTURE! I can’t get over the absurdity of an American, from the land that invented the shooting rampage, talking about another culture’s death wish.

Nov 25, 2009 - 1:00 pm 45. Doug S.:

3D box = 6 sides.

Nov 25, 2009 - 1:30 pm 46. blotto:

moho: First, Nice of you to inform us that “happens weekly in YOUR CULTURE!” Now we know you are not here to debate only to defend and incite. Your motivations for being here are have been suspect but are now transparent.

Second, using posts on blogs is not a source. That is anecdotal at best. No, if you are going to make an assertion, give us a citation from a first hand source.

Third, Dwight: and your point is what? People are not allowed to debate just because it offends the people paying you to post on this site? Are you implying that posting on site is somehow the right capitalizing on the horror of the terrorist murderer at Ft. Hood? Are you that desparate to make brownie points with Kos that you think that? Gee, have the right come up with legislation to send muslims back to wherever they came from? Now that would be capitizing on this hideous act of barbarity and cowardice committed by an Islamic terrorist.

Until either of you sops for the left come up with a trenchant argument replete with facts, you are here merely to make youselves believe you matter.

Nov 25, 2009 - 1:47 pm 47. Bob Owens:

Good call on my per cartridge math error, folks, and I apologize. The SS190 ammo was selling for $800/box in that instance, or $16 a bullet.

I have seen SS190 black tip listed as high as $29.75 in a current auction, but not $40.00. The rarer SS90 was listed at $47.50 on the same site (http://www.auctionarms.com/).

Nov 25, 2009 - 1:55 pm 48. moho:

My god, you’re stupid, Blotto:

A)moho: First, Nice of you to inform us that “happens weekly in YOUR CULTURE!” Now we know you are not here to debate only to defend and incite. Your motivations for being here are have been suspect but are now transparent.

I’m pretty sure that I’m going to find your interpretation of these passages hilarious. Just what did you “discover” LOL?

B) Second, using posts on blogs is not a source. That is anecdotal at best. No, if you are going to make an assertion, give us a citation from a first hand source.

The blog IS the first hand source and evidence of what you were asking for. You are functionally retarded.

Repse se Punquitor [it punks itself].

Nov 25, 2009 - 2:15 pm 49. Steve DeMarcus:

30. Kenneth A. Maxey:

I can’t believe that a large group of soldiers in the Army could not defend themselves. Where were their side-arms and why did they have to call the police to end the massacre?
Nov 25, 2009 – 11:30 am

Fort Hood is a gun free zone ordered by President Bill Clinton. Even if they can carry a firearm anywhere else in the state of Texas (as all of them should be able to) they are not allowed to carry government issued (unless they are MPs (military police)) or their own personal firearms.

This is what made it so easy for Hasan do do what he did he violated the policy just by carrying the weapons onto the base in the first place and therefore this was premeditated and actually a terrorist attack which I am sure it was, perhaps the gun free needs to be returned to a guns everywhere zone both concealed and open carry, then he might have got a couple of shots but it would have been stopped quickly.

Nov 25, 2009 - 2:21 pm 50. Hucbald:

Being armed and prepared to defend your life, your family, and your property is a fundamental human right. People who don’t get this are ignorant an naive. There hasn’t been a genocide in history that wouldn’t have been at least ameliorated if the populace were armed, and the police can’t be where they are needed when they are needed, even in the most advanced of western civilizations.

I would also point out that the soldiers at Ft. Hood were unarmed and unable to be armed because of a Clinton era policy. I grew up on Air Force bases in the 60’s, and my dad carried a loaded .357 on his hip whenever he was going to fly (Since we were in Panama at the time, and he went to dodgy central and south American countries). Nobody thought anything of it, as most of the command pilots were armed.

The solution is not less guns, but more. Every time a state has passed shall-issue legislation for CCP’s, the robbery and carjacking rates have declined. Here in Texas, you can now carry in your vehicle with no permit at all. Not many carjackings here anymore. I just wish we had no CCp open carry, like NM and AZ do. That would rock.

Nov 25, 2009 - 2:24 pm 51. moho:

This is what made it so easy for Hasan do do what he did he violated the policy just by carrying the weapons onto the base in the first place and therefore this was premeditated and actually a terrorist attack which I am sure it was,

The perfect example of right wing logic.

Nov 25, 2009 - 2:32 pm 52. MajorObtuse:

Guns are tools, as harmless as a calculator or a steak knife, until somebody decides to use them to evil purpose. Bernie Madoff used a calculator to steal billions, do we ban calulators? Gerardo Sanchez used a steak knife to murder a man in an argument over a NYC subway seat two days ago, do we ban steak knives and drive ‘The Outback’ into bankruptcy?
Major Hassan used a gun to kill people. A case can be made that without his sidearm, Hassan couldn’t have killed so many before being subdued, but this is a spurious claim. Hassan meant to commit murder, and if his pistol were unavailable, he would’ve found another way to do his deed. Pipe bombs, nail bombs, suicide bombs taped to his body would’ve suited his purpose equally as well as his pistol – do we ban duct tape?
It obviously isn’t the tool, it’s easy to see that the person wielding it is at fault. Unless of course you’ve got an ‘agenda’ …

Nov 25, 2009 - 2:38 pm 53. Dark Helmet:

moho…..

I’m fairly certain the art of slaughter is not an American invention. But still, you didn’t really consider as much as you just deflected. Being that you have so much more to offer, I hope that you will be more forthcoming given the box analogy. It is such a simple task.

The rest of you are not being nice, not being willing to at least try.

If you never get out of your comfort zones, how will you ever learn anything? And isn’t that what we should be trying to accomplish with this ? Learn something so that it is less likely to happen?

Isn’t that the motive behind attaching an agenda to a horrible murder ?

No?

For all the chest beating, grandstanding and self appreciating pontificating, I am a little less than impressed.

Surely, at least one of you, besides a lazy maho, can do better.

dh

Nov 25, 2009 - 2:54 pm 54. EDS:

Hasan is a proud member of the NRA and a staunch defender of 2nd Amendment rights.

Nov 25, 2009 - 3:46 pm 55. moho:

I didn’t see your box analogy and am not likely to comment on it. My only point is that its a small mind that looks for the faults in other societies or cultures, while ignoring their own. The US is practically famous for creating mass murderers. That’s the culture you come from; it may be more fun to point the finger at other targets but its strikingly useless.

Nov 25, 2009 - 3:57 pm 56. Dark Helmet:

#54:
He was also a member of Sam’s Club and anyone who swears to uphold the constitution, even our “can’t help but bow cuz I’m a bitch” obammy mammy is suppose to be a staunch supporter of all the rights.

Although…. he did have a little trouble giving that pledge on opening day, didn’t he….. hmmmm.

moho….. are you on holiday again?

Nov 25, 2009 - 4:03 pm 57. ron nord:

Its time to remember just who bans guns and the real reason for doing so. It is easier for a government to take over with a population that is unarmed, both Lenin and Adolph Hitler did this as well as Mao. All three of these heads of government proceeded to kill their own citizen after disarming them. Hitler killed a measly 10 million or so but the great killers like Mao and Stalin killed their own in the 10’s of millions. If Obama goes for the guns there is only one reason, remember who his pals are.

Nov 25, 2009 - 4:48 pm 58. Dark Helmet:

moho….

I don’t believe you will find anywhere that I openly disputed or disregarded what is factual in US history. Please do not make assumptions of my short comings as a person, I have enough without them being fabricated. Thank you.

What I did was make an anaolgy between a horrible movie and the similarity in which we now find ourselves.

I am a little let down by you not wanting to go a little deeper into that but it is after all, only our second date of what I hope will be many, many more to come.

I just love you moho……

As for saying the US is practically famous for creating mass murders, I suppose that depends on your point of view. We are sorely lacking on the industrialized scale many of our now ‘partners’ put to good use before we put an end to them. Perhaps more in the future will even surpass those. It depends on the position of the person really. This punk who murdered 13 people ( 14 if you , as I do, count the unborn as real people waiting to happen ) lacked any incentive, imagination or for that matter talent for the task upon which his god called upon him to take. I think beyond a bullet up the colon, too much has been made of his life already.

Now, take someone with a few hundred thousand , such as chavez, or a few nukes as kim minindong and you have something worth mentioning.

But I should stick to the point, shouldn’t I? ( you are all given F’s for failure to try , pathetic )

Very well, the box…. if our problem is a box and all we can see are the 6 sides, we will miss the opportunity to once and for all, remove the cancer of islam.

The box has 8 sides my dear moho.

The last two being the most overlooked and the easiest to think of as they are what the box is made to do, keep things inside, and things outside.

We will cut the head from the snake, yes, I think that is what we will do.

The rest from here out…. is just well, pointless blathering.

Perhaps you will learn to love me one day as well, my sweet moho……

dh

Nov 25, 2009 - 4:49 pm 59. DavidN:

This is amusing…on the one hand, we need to disarm the populace, so that no one can kill one another, or do other bad things with guns. I mean, think about it…a criminal is going to rob a bank, and halfway through the planning he thinks to himself, “But to actually rob the place, I need a gun, and they’re illegal; I don’t dare break the law, so I guess I can’t rob the bank.” The idea is, of course, on its face absurd. It’s also silly to assume we can keep people from getting things illegally: note the amount of illegal drugs that circulate around the populace, many people taking them without ever fearing prosecution. The idea that a person would own a firearm to protect themselves from lawbreakers is anathema to a liberal: you must rely only on the government for protection; trying to do it yourself should be illegal. Remember, during the LA riots 20 years ago, the police *ran away* from the rioters, and left that truckdriver guy to the gangbangers who almost killed him.

So, as is typical when something like Fort Hood happens, everyone tries to take advantage of the situation. Liberals try to make it out that guns are bad, so no one should have them. Even soldiers on army bases should be unarmed (who knows what they would get up to with guns…they might even shoot the next Major Hasan, instead of relying on their local law enforcement like they’re supposed to). Conservatives try to point out how silly it is for an *Army Base* to be a “gun free zone” where a single guy with a semi-automatic pistol can shoot 40+ people before being stopped. And cherrypickers like moho and Now and Then try and prove everyone else’s hypocrisy by being clever, twisting words and changing meanings to suit the post they’re writing right now. If you go back and look at what they’ve posted throughout, it should be obvious how bereft of any real ideas they both are…just clever debaters with no real point.

And the bit about the gun being a cop-killer is by itself fascinating. One of my pet peeves is the partial banning of the .50 caliber rifle. People who want the gun banned point out that it has no real practical civilian use, and for the most part they’re right. You can’t really defend your home with it, you for the most part can’t hunt with it, so what use is it other than target shooting? The problem is that criminal activity with the gun has been very rare also–other than the Waco shootout, where two cops were killed with one, I’ve never heard of a crime being committed with one. You can’t do a driveby with one, rob a bank, or any other criminal activity, other than perhaps assassinating someone from a long distance, and so far that’s never happened. So the impulse to ban the gun is mostly derived from the fact that it’s big, and everyone thinks you have no good reason to have one. The trick here is that the government doesn’t get to ban things because you have no good reason to have them; instead, the government should have to show a good reason why you shouldn’t be allowed to have something, not the other way around. This never occurs to idiots like moho and Now and Then, or most other liberals…they want the government to manage every part of everyone’s life, because “people are stupid” and without the government to tell stupid people what to do…well, lunatics like Major Hasan might not get to kill quite so many people…

Nov 25, 2009 - 4:58 pm 60. R7:

The anti-gun nutters don’t seem to be aware that Hasan is military, nor do they seem to be aware that he openly declared that he was on the side of the enemy.

The reason I call them nutters is because they deny reality.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPhbdW9SxEM

http://fab.cba.mit.edu/

Now and Then, Moho, Leif Rakur, you folks are done. There is no point in debating you because the debate is over.

Nov 25, 2009 - 5:02 pm 61. moho:

Helmet:
We are sorely lacking on the industrialized scale many of our now ‘partners’ put to good use before we put an end to them.

Perhaps once our civilization has passed, someone will do a study on what social trait allowed a people who engaged in an invasion of another country on average every seven years from 1946 to 2009, to be completely unaware that their actions were responsible for the deaths of millions of people. Perhaps millions dead in South Korea, and South Asia, tens of thousands dead in Iraq 1 and 2 and Afghanistan. People like you have been so inculcated in “politically correct” speech about our military, that you’ve actually become free to act as if our bullets, bombs and weapons don’t kill people. You have nothing to say that I’d pay attention to you knob-end.

Nov 25, 2009 - 5:52 pm 62. AZDude:

Yo, Matthew. Name anyone on the right who is trying to benefit from this terrorist act. You make the charge, now prove it.

moho, I guess you never heard of the mass murders of Hitler, Mao, Stalin, and lots of other NON-AMERICANS. These were all done after disarming their public. Get your head of of your rectum.

Nov 25, 2009 - 5:53 pm 63. Lou Gots:

The 5.7 x 28 used here has certain capabilities and certain limitations. Were it unavailable, some other weapon, veryt likely a more deadly one, would have been used.

Let us harken back to the old “Saturday Night Special” fiasco. Years ago, many, many criminals were using cheap, old-fashiones revolvers chambered for the .32 S&W Short. This round was extreemely ineffective. It has not unusual for well-hit victims to escape with slight injuries because the low-velocity projectiles would actually fail to penetrate the skull or even the sternum.

The gun-grabbers, back in the day when people paid atterntion to them, moved agaist such guns, so now every critter has his “nine,” which is almost alwayys fatal with such a hit.

The 5.7 x 28 is a gimmick; ban it and criminals would just use something worse, like a couple of 17-shot 9mm’s with spare mags.

Nov 25, 2009 - 6:00 pm 64. moho:

moho, I guess you never heard of the mass murders of Hitler, Mao, Stalin, and lots of other NON-AMERICANS.

Find the comment where I advocated gun control, idiot. I swear, your brains are literally sliding out of your nostrils from the “insert-thought A into slot B Ikea reasoning process” that sites like this encourage.

Nov 25, 2009 - 7:25 pm 65. Matthew:

moho – don’t buy it. The claims about hitler “disarming” his people are a load of bunk. Germany already had gun laws – the nazis just tightened them with respect to jews, and that’s about it.

You other guys – this shooting is the work of one man, working alone, for his own reasons. The right wants us to believe that it’s a threat posed by ALL muslims, that all muslims in the military pose a threat, that he killed BECAUSE he is a muslim and had terrorist support and motives. There’s no evidence to support any of those claims – but by gosh, it suits certain people to shout them, repeatedly.

It’s also been very popular to “go after” the “vast liberal media” because they chose to report the event responsibly. Like it or not, this attack is probably not terrorism. It just isn’t. Why? Because the word means something – go look it up (start with the US criminal code). They nasty liberals were right to avoid using the T word, and even justified in holding off on the M word until it was independently confirmed (given the political implications, and the amount of sheer B.S. that was being passed off as fact). So you’ve even managed to turn the event into an attack on peoeple who (a) you don’t like, (b) don’t have anything to do with the attack and (c) were doing the right thing.

Want more? I can go on. Even this “gun control” angle is a beat-up.

Nov 25, 2009 - 10:26 pm 66. Dark Helmet:

Oh moho…. you have a intimacy disorder. How sweet.

Well, let’s see…. you say so much.. not with what little love barbs you teasingly toss out to peak my interest, but in what you don’t say or reply to.

You make it too easy dear, much, much to easy.

If you’re not careful, I’ll get bored with you. Wouldn’t want that now would we?

No be a good little moho and try again, only this time, try communicating rather than hiding your sparkly self behind vindictive diatribes that run all over the map rather than sticking to the point.

You’re awfully cute my little snook ‘ums. Thanks for noticing my knob end. I kind of knew you are the knob end type. Shall I wrap it up for you?

My respect for the man on the wall with a rifle , willing to do great violence so that I may sleep safely under my blanket of freedom , is not a ponderance for disdain. Certainly not by one who curses that man for doing what enemies of freedom has caused him to do.

Minus points for being so predictable……

dh

Nov 25, 2009 - 11:01 pm 67. moho:

You make it too easy dear, much, much to easy.

Yeah, that’s why you provided so many points in your post. You people are literally screaming that your beliefs rest on nothing but your imagination.

Nov 26, 2009 - 6:14 am 68. Dark Helmet:

Moho….. good morning sunshine!

I only offer one or two points at a time. Look how difficult it was with just one simple question wrapped in an analogy for you. To be fair, no one else could even begin to try and put that one together. But even you, the great brain of PM, slaying the knuckle draggers with your words, fell poorly short of even sharing one idea.

None the less sweet child,

I will teach you how to use your great wit to think, rather than react.

That is my loving gift to you.

Pay attention, you can’t learn by not. That will be lesson one.

Happy Bird Day, sugar doodles.

dh

Nov 26, 2009 - 7:37 am 69. Dark Head Thingy:

“Want more? I can go on. Even this “gun control” angle is a beat-up.”

Sure, let’s listen to the tortured sounds of a pig that refuses to learn to sing, create his own ‘art’ by farting from his mouth.

hitler used ‘gun control’ to ensure his ability to do what ever he wanted against the people he wanted to kill.
It works.

The facts are what they are in Fort Hood terrorist attack and you are willfully misinformed,

(that’s a kinder way of saying you’re a complete dumba** for ignoring the rest of the evidence that has since unfolded, proving the link to MOOSLIME terrorists ) ALL THE ATTACKS AGAINST US HAVE BEEN CARRIED OUT UNDER ORDERS OF iSLIME RELIGOUS LEADERS BY mUSLIMS.

That is the reality in which we live and the one that you can not fart piggy rap away.

You are a miserable putrid sack of lying shit as the very premise of the thread is the extent to which twerps like you will go in not only not living in a real world but are all too happy to dishonor those very people murdered.

You… have a severe mental dysfunction. And no, I don’t question your patriotism, you have none.

Refusing to confront the enemy makes you a traitor, the mark of a coward AKA, liberal.

On this day of thank giving, you may dine in hell.

Nov 26, 2009 - 7:58 am 70. frank grimes:

i am pretty sure gun-control laws were enacted in germany BEFORE hitler ruled germany.in fact,they were written in part due to fears of him gaining power.

gun-control here is a dead horse,virgina tech proved that.of course,these people are so blinded by ideology that i wouldn’t put anything past them.

if you want to keep your second amendment rights then join the NRA and/or the GOA

69.if we were at war with ALL of islam i think it would be obvious..er ah,there are 1.2 BILLION of them.

Nov 26, 2009 - 9:40 am 71. frank grimes:

n&T:”Similarly, if America is 80% Christian as some here claim, then why do we need a police force? Surely we can corral those 20% who aren’t Christians who are committing 100% of the crime”

because:

“If we were like angels, blameless and freely able to exercise perfect self-control, we would not need rules or regulations. Why, then, do we have so many laws and statutes? Because of man’s wickedness, for he is constantly overflowing with evil; this is why a remedy is required.

–John Calvin, Sermon on Galatians 3:19-20, “The Many Functions of God’s Law” (1558) in the volume Sermons on Galatians (Edinburgh 1997).

If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary.”

–James Madison, The Federalist No. 51 (1788).

btw,you can be humorous at times-bill mahr cannot….so you should you should avoid his shtick when ever possible.

Nov 26, 2009 - 12:13 pm 72. EDS:

Because of Hasan’s Muslim sounding name and because of his Muslim appearance, it must be stressed that he is actually a Mormon missionary from Salt Lake City.

Nov 26, 2009 - 1:10 pm 73. Dark Helmet:

No. 70.

Please stop proving moho’s sociological muted genetic diversity analysis of the honorable posters here.

We are under attack by islime. Even if all 1. what ever zillion of them don’t all hop on a camel and come over the dunes at once. ( please, I’m well versed in geographic disbursement, it’s a parody )

The point is to take out the few at the top and the rest will fall in line, you will note the arabs have NEVER been on a losing side. Ever…..

Take out meca and the leadership, hence what moho said to
do so brilliantly,

” Cut the head off the f*ing snake, once and for all.”

I might be para phrasing, just a bit.

peace love and daisy berries

dh

Nov 26, 2009 - 7:46 pm 74. Matthew:

Dark Head Thingy:

“Sure, let’s listen to the tortured sounds of a pig that refuses to learn to sing, create his own ‘art’ by farting from his mouth”

Are you going to make a point at any stage, or just keep showing us your creative writing skills?

“hitler used ‘gun control’ to ensure his ability to do what ever he wanted against the people he wanted to kill.
It works”

No, not really. He used a ruddy great army and colluding governments. Gun control was irrelevant. Whether you happen to know it or not, there were a number of armed uprisings by jews against the nazis – using, you know, guns. in every case they were squashed flat by a more numerous, better-trained, armed and supplied enemy. The same would happen if loonies ever tried “rising up” in the US – they’d discover why it is that the US military took baghdad so easily.

“The facts are what they are in Fort Hood terrorist attack and you are willfully misinformed”

Um, no. I don’t think I am.

“ALL THE ATTACKS AGAINST US HAVE BEEN CARRIED OUT UNDER ORDERS OF iSLIME RELIGOUS LEADERS BY mUSLIMS”

Really? The anthrax attacks were carried out under orders from muslims? The beltway sniper was following orders? The attack on the recruiting office in times square, and the pipe bombs over the consulate walls – you can show that they were muslims? Any you actually have evidence that this latest one was a response to an order from somebody? By all means, share it with me.

“That is the reality in which we live and the one that you can not fart piggy rap away”

Man, that’s clever.

“You are a miserable putrid sack of lying shit as the very premise of the thread is the extent to which twerps like you will go in not only not living in a real world but are all too happy to dishonor those very people murdered”

I’m lying? What am I lying about? Tell me what it is in my post that’s a lie. Or just keep blowing smoke – that’s much easier for me to laugh at. If you come with with a counterargument you might actually make me look wrong. Give it a try.

“You… have a severe mental dysfunction. And no, I don’t question your patriotism, you have none”

If you say so.

“Refusing to confront the enemy makes you a traitor, the mark of a coward AKA, liberal. On this day of thank giving, you may dine in hell”

I repeat – feel free to tell me what it is I wrote you actually disagree with – and back it up with facts (or at least specific claims), pease. So far you’ve given me nothing – just a load of drivel. You seem to think it’s patriotic and strong, but actually it’s just dumb.

Nov 26, 2009 - 8:42 pm 75. Dark Head Thingy:

Are you going to make a point at any stage, or just keep showing us your creative writing skills?

Oh….. thank you. Thank you so much for your compliment, it just….sniff means such a great deal to me for you to say so…..

there were a number of armed uprisings by jews against the nazis – using, you know, guns. in every case they were squashed flat by a more numerous, better-trained, armed and supplied enemy.

And it was those very, very , very few guns that were the only tools people had to defend themselves. Otherwise, it would of been a different outcome.

The same would happen if loonies ever tried “rising up” in the US – they’d discover why it is that the US military took baghdad so easily.

You are so very kind, it is so thoughtful and generous for you to give me, on a silver platter, such a great abundance of starting points to kick you ass with. As there is so much horse doo doo in your dribble. ( that’s substantialy less on a value scale than drivel )

You don’t know your history, you know less about the US Constitution and what it requires and you have not a tiny ngats peckers worth of knowledge about how we took Baghdag. But you’re fear, the basis for your ideas, about losing out to the patriots of our nation is duly noted.

The beltway snipers were islimes. They didn’t happen to be, as compared to being black, they choose to be. They choose to murder in accordance with what their belief requires. This is too elementary mathew. You need to get some grasp of basics before trying to argue. There is NO known explanation of who mailed the anthrax. There are however, ongoing attemps and actions by mooslimes here and everywhere else in world , again…. with the abc’s…. following the islime doctrine. Okay, now you are starting to piss me off because it is so boring having to tell you this again and again.

But, little piggy, I’m feeling a little charitable today. So, here is an excellent post from your greatest fear, an intelligent woman :

On a side note…This will probably put you back into bed wetting therapy, better call Dr. Sylvan’s office to start those sessions again.
ring…. ring….. *click*
” Hello Myra? Yes, it’s Mathew again, I read another post at PMS and …. yes I know I was instructed not to try and play with the grownup…. yes, the wetting has started again, I know…. Wulmart has rubber sheets…. Myra, can we not talk about this right now? I need to get in to see the Dr. Yes, tomorrow is fine. Thank you… what? I should save some money and just plug the electric blanket in? Myra, you are so… so unkind to me…sniff… what’s that? You’re still mad about the moolimes murdering 3000 in NYC based on the koran? but you don’t have any proof of…hello? hellllooooo??? ”

“It’s been weeks since eyewitnesses reported that Maj. Nidal Hasan shouted “Allahu akbar” before spraying Fort Hood with gunfire, killing 13 people.

Since then we also learned that Hasan gave a medical lecture on beheading infidels and pouring burning oil down their throats (unfortunately not covered under the Senate health care bill). Some wondered if perhaps a pattern was beginning to emerge but were promptly dismissed as racist cranks.

We also found out Hasan had business cards printed up with the jihadist abbreviation “SOA” for “Soldier of Allah.” Was that enough to conclude that the shooting was an act of terrorism — or does somebody around here need to take another cultural sensitivity class?

And we know that Hasan had contacted several jihadist Web sites and that he had been exchanging e-mails with a radical Islamic cleric in Yemen. The FBI learned that last December, but the rest of us only found out about it a week ago.

Is it still too soon to come to the conclusion that the Fort Hood shooting was an act of terrorism?

Alas, it is still too early to tell at MSNBC. For Keith Olbermann, Rachel Maddow and Chris Matthews — at least two of whom would be severely punished under Shariah law — the shooting of George Tiller was an act of terrorism, no question. The death of a census taker in Kentucky was also an act of terrorism. (We learned this week that it was a suicide/insurance scam.) But as to Maj. Hasan, the jury is still out — and will be out for many, many years”

For you to be willfully unimformed mathew, is beyond stupid, you are a traitor.

dht

Nov 27, 2009 - 8:17 am 76. moho:

EDF

his Muslim appearance

It would be entertaining to read your explanation of how his appearance is “Muslim”.

Nov 27, 2009 - 10:35 am 77. edf:

That would be the DIE INFIDEL t shirt, the “I heart osama” button, the lack of basic washing, oh wait, that’s smell, not appearance,

and the obama 08 bumpersticker.

How’s that for entertaining, sparky?

Nov 27, 2009 - 3:19 pm 78. Matthew:

“And it was those very, very , very few guns that were the only tools people had to defend themselves. Otherwise, it would of been a different outcome.”

Um, no. The french army had lots of guns – their outcome was no different. Every jew in europe could have had their own personal 50 cal and rocket launcher, and the outcome would have been exactly the same. But I grant that it might have taken a little bit longer.

“You don’t know your history, you know less about the US Constitution and what it requires and you have not a tiny ngats peckers worth of knowledge about how we took Baghdag. But you’re fear, the basis for your ideas, about losing out to the patriots of our nation is duly noted.”

You ALMOST got there – you came so close to making some sort of point, but then you failed. I can see what you’re alluding to, though – that the US army can’t deploy domestically. Well, let’s just see about that. It’s done it before In the meantime, the national guard can make my point for me.

I have to go – the real world intrudes. I’ll pop back later to continue the lesson.

Nov 27, 2009 - 4:34 pm 79. Darkening Head Thinga majig:

You would think after all the humiliation, liberals would avoid citing the damn French at any cost…… oh well…

“Every jew in europe could have had their own personal 50 cal and rocket launcher, and the outcome would have been exactly the same. But I grant that it might have taken a little bit longer”

Oddly, we agree there but not for the same reason. If 6 million jews would of had even a single shot .22, they would of all taken one shot each and gone home.

The outcome would be the same with the nazis losing.

The people of Baghdad cheered and greeted our troops, that… I know for a fact. The side streets were lined with 100 of thousands cheering and waving with Iraqi Regulars standing down along the route.

It won’t be our troops or national guard that take up weapons against the natural born citizens of these United States.

Being a traitor won’t save you then.

I hope you spend some real world time preparing for your next lesson, it is up to you to have your facts straight before leaping off into the deep end with the swimmers.

Nov 27, 2009 - 6:53 pm 80. Matthew:

“Oddly, we agree there but not for the same reason. If 6 million jews would of had even a single shot .22, they would of all taken one shot each and gone home. The outcome would be the same with the nazis losing”

Yeah. Right. So the allies were just kidding around for a couple of years, and weren’t really trying to beat the nazis?

“The people of Baghdad cheered and greeted our troops, that… I know for a fact”

Except for the soldiers who were fighting back, of course. I’m not quite sure why you think this is relevant?

“It won’t be our troops or national guard that take up weapons against the natural born citizens of these United States.”

And you tell ME I’ve got no grasp of history? Kent state, 1970. Los angeles, 1992. Ring any bells?

“The beltway snipers were islimes … They choose to murder in accordance with what their belief requires”

That doesn’t seem to be what the investigators thought. That guy was messed up, but religion per se was pretty insignificant in the collection of possible motives.

“There is NO known explanation of who mailed the anthrax”

*blink* Seriously? What about bruce ivins?

“Okay, now you are starting to piss me off because it is so boring having to tell you this again and again”

You’re not doing a very good job. You just keep repeating dogma – which is little more than opinion, in your case. And you keep getting facts wrong. Yes, I KNOW you don’t like muslims – but that by itself doesn’t prove anything about THEM. Make a proper argument, for goodness’ sake.

“It’s been weeks since eyewitnesses reported that Maj. Nidal Hasan shouted “Allahu akbar” before spraying Fort Hood with gunfire, killing 13 people”

Yep.

“Since then we also learned that Hasan gave a medical lecture on beheading infidels and pouring burning oil down their throats”

Er, no. Not so much. It was a weird presentation, I agree – I’m glad I didn’t have to sit through it. The slides really drag on in the second half.

“We also found out Hasan had business cards printed up with the jihadist abbreviation “SOA” for “Soldier of Allah.” Was that enough to conclude that the shooting was an act of terrorism”

No.

“Is it still too soon to come to the conclusion that the Fort Hood shooting was an act of terrorism?”

Yes. Read page 106 of the patriot act:

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=107_cong_public_laws&docid=f:publ056.107.pdf

Pay particular attention to section 802 (A), 5(b). Until his motive has been established, I can’t see how anyone can say whether he’s a terrorist or a plain old mass shooter. If you’re going to water down “terrorism” to include violence by anyone who’s somehow been radicalized, you’ve started to make the word a bit useless. Was the columbine shooting terrorism? They were definitely motivated by ideology. If you accept your implied definition, then the US has a lot more domestic terrorism than I think you’d like to admit. That’s the problem with your line of argument.

Nov 28, 2009 - 1:59 am 81. sociologicalymuted:

supaBAD:”The point is to take out the few at the top and the rest will fall in line, you will note the arabs have NEVER been on a losing side. Ever….. ”

hmmmm.you have my interest,please proceed.

matthew:you are woefully misinformed about guerilla warfare,i would send you some links but i doubt you would read them.my advice is:try not learn military tactics from pacifistic,lefty professers.

maybe if you were nicer to our resident clausewitz,he would explain it to you….right after unveiling the master plan for victory in the ME.

Nov 28, 2009 - 7:31 am 82. Matthew:

“matthew:you are woefully misinformed about guerilla warfare,i would send you some links but i doubt you would read them.my advice is:try not learn military tactics from pacifistic,lefty professers”

Sure, post some links. I’m interested. But I’m a bit confused as to why you think it’s relevant. What did I say that had anything to do with guerrilla warfare?

Nov 28, 2009 - 2:56 pm 83. pappy:

We have plenty of gun laws on the books. The problem is definitly with the liberal bleeding hearts in this country.
Our immigration laws are a joke, people on visitors visa’s sign in upon entry, but there is no means to make sure they leave on time. Lefty’s don’t want fences, they frown on verification such as E-verify, but they want to blame guns as soon as a terrorist doe’s his dirty deed. we still haven’t banned airplanes.

Nov 28, 2009 - 3:13 pm 84. Matthew:

“Our immigration laws are a joke, people on visitors visa’s sign in upon entry, but there is no means to make sure they leave on time”

That happens everywhere. It tends to cause less of a fuss because the people you let in on VISAs are (a) vetted, (b) tend to be from places you’d probably take immigrants from anyway.

“they frown on verification such as E-verify, but they want to blame guns as soon as a terrorist doe’s his dirty deed”

Hasan was born in america. Back to you.

Nov 28, 2009 - 4:40 pm 85. Dimmly lit head covering:

Dear little piggy,

Your lesson is over, you get an “F” for lack of capacity due to liberal agenda.

“maybe if you were nicer to our resident clausewitz,he would explain it to you….right after unveiling the master plan for victory in the ME.”

Why is it that everyone wants to talk about Prussians?

” We will be together until the end ” achmenischlong to chavez, more or less stating the obvious, ” I’m going to get you killed since I want to commit suicide ”
(look up little hassan the imam in the well for referal)

And yet, another thread about why obammy supports communist dictators and mooslimes.

Nov 29, 2009 - 1:26 pm 86. frank grimes:

matthew:”What did I say that had anything to do with guerrilla warfare?”

you:”you know, guns. in every case they were squashed flat by a more numerous, better-trained, armed and supplied enemy. The same would happen if loonies ever tried “rising up” in the US – they’d discover why it is that the US military took baghdad so easily.”

google: noam chomsky+second amendment…..WOW..SHOCKKA!you two agree.

Nov 30, 2009 - 4:24 pm