Made My Obama Friends List, Now Checking It Twice
With Obama continuing to conceal his records, pals like Wright, Rezko, and Ayers are all we have to judge him by.
When a man of so little verifiable background and experience presents himself as a candidate for what is unarguably the most powerful political position in the entire world, every scrap of detail regarding his life, beliefs, associations, and accomplishments is of extreme importance. They are all we have, especially in light of Barack Obama’s refusal to release and make public the following:
- A certified, authenticated birth certificate
- College transcripts from Occidental, Columbia, and Harvard
- Senior thesis written at Columbia
- Writings from Harvard
- Full medical records
In light of these gaping holes in his resume — holes that could be easily filled in by Barack Obama, but have not been — it becomes the duty of every voter to examine the peripheral areas of Obama’s life with utmost care, giving special attention to patterns of association that point to matters of judgment, character, and true intent.
Obama’s associations
“When you know who his friend is, you know who he is.”
— African proverb
The most problematic quality of Barack Obama’s run for the presidency at this time is that we do not really know him. Obama has repeatedly deflected curiosity about his associations with glib responses from “This is not the man I knew,” to “Can I just eat my waffle?” When Obama was still on the campaign trail without his teleprompter, he regularly created relatives and events out of whole cloth, only to later issue campaign statements declaring he “misspoke,” “spoke inartfully,” or was “mistaken.”
From these actions, what are voters to conclude? One might conclude that this not-even-through-his-first-term senator does not want Americans to know who he really is. He has not been forthcoming. We have been forced to dig for information and draw our own conclusions as the African proverb above suggests. If we see who Obama’s friends are, we will see who he is.
Friend #1: Jeremiah Wright
Obama clearly lied about his relationship with Jeremiah Wright at his last April press conference. When Obama declared that this Jeremiah Wright, revealed by widely circulated videos, was not the man he knew and declared that they had never been close, he was not telling the truth.
David Mendell wrote a favorable-to-Obama book, From Promise to Power, for which he had wide access to Obama, his family members, Jeremiah Wright, and a number of other close associates of the candidate. Throughout this book, Jeremiah Wright plays a prominent role as mentor and counselor. At every decisive juncture of Obama’s rise from Trinity congregation member to the United States Senate, Jeremiah Wright provides counsel and mentorship to the rising Barack.
In a recent Newsweek article, “Finding His Faith,” Obama answers questions regarding his attendance at Trinity. He now says he and Michelle really didn’t attend Trinity very often at all. “At the beginning, we went fairly frequently . . . probably went two or three times a month. When we had Malia, our first child, we went less frequently, and that probably continued for a couple of years, just because — I don’t know if you’ve had the experience of taking young, squirming children to church, but it’s not easy . . . As they got older, we would go back a little more frequently, probably twice a month.”
Unfortunately, Senator Obama gave a vastly different answer to the same question when he was running for his U.S. Senate seat. Here’s what he told Cathleen Falsani, in a face-to-face interview for the Chicago Sun-Times. In March 2004, Obama said this about his church attendance:
FALSANI: Do you still attend Trinity?
OBAMA: Yep. Every week. 11 o’clock service. Ever been there? Good service. I actually wrote a book called Dreams from My Father; it’s kind of a meditation on race. There’s a whole chapter on the church in that, and my first visits to Trinity.
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1. Robert Hurley:Gee - he must have fooled General Powell and Christopher Buckley too. I guess they are not people who love America. I guess that teh 95% of black American and 66% of Hispanic Americans who have indicated they will vote for Senator Obama don’t love America either. You have managed to insult the majority of Americans who have indicated they will vote for Obama. Talk about an elitist! Then again it is great that you continue to write these poorly thought out articles because they reveal the poverty o your ideas
Oct 20, 2008 - 8:59 am 2. OB:Bravo, Kyle Ann! These are pertinant facts,well presented.I look forward to all your posts.
Oct 20, 2008 - 9:09 am 3. Anna:What a fantastic piece. Ms. Shiver can always be counted on for her outstanding research and beautiful writing. Now, anyone and everyone reading at Pajamas Media needs to do more than read, blog and vote on election day. We all have to make calls for the McCain campaign in swing states and do it every single day between now and election day.
Oct 20, 2008 - 9:18 am 4. RIChris:Obama does NOT have 95% of the black vote. THAT would be an insult to all those in the black community who see Obama for what he is, a dangerous fraud.
Oct 20, 2008 - 10:02 am 5. Ari:good research — too bad the media cannot do 1% of this
a vote for obama truly shows that an American cares NOTHING about this great nation
Oct 20, 2008 - 10:08 am 6. Bobby Ahr:But let’s not forget Khalid al Mansour, Michael Pfleger, Rashid Khalidi, Bernadine Dohrn, Emil Jones, Nadhami Auchi, Raila Odinga……
In fact, it is more difficult to find one - just one - of his friends, advisors, mentors, babysitters or whatever that is NOT a thug, terrorist, black nationalist, radical Muslim, marxist or some other manner of America hater.
Oct 20, 2008 - 10:09 am 7. BrianH:Ya know, it’s not so much the associations that bother me, They surely do.
Oct 20, 2008 - 10:16 am 8. Joseph Marshall:What really bother’s me though is the total in your face double standard that the left, and the MSM perpetuate upon those who feel these are valid issues.
I would offer the following to your attention:
http://abcnews.go.com/images/PollingUnit/1077a2AyersACORNandPalin.pdf
The people McCain and his partisans actually need to reach on November 4th don’t really care about any of these “questionable associations”. Why? Two reasons.
Most of America is sophisticated enough to understand that “questionable associations” can be found for anyone in public life. They are simply part of the package. The serious questions are what will the winner do when he takes office, and what will his Vice President do if the call comes. These are the questions McCain has never been able to adequately answer.
Further, undertaken right now, everything about this campaign tactic smells of political desperation. The time for this [if there was one] was four months ago, and the place for it is not robocalls that annoy voters who are just flat out weary of this marathon campaign.
Oct 20, 2008 - 10:25 am 9. Bill:Wow. As a conservative, reading articles like this remind me why we’re going to get trounced in this election. Nice job, Ms. Shiver. Irrelevant and factually inaccurate issues. Thanks a lot.
Oct 20, 2008 - 10:29 am 10. MJ:Congratulations on an excellent article. You raise questions that keep revolving on our minds, and make us unlikely to support a candidate with a mysterious background, one that he has persistently concealed from voters. No candidate who is glib in his answers, and refuses to release his records will get my vote. This is after all, about our entrusting him with our future, and our American dream and values, and the most powerful job in the world, to just roll the dice and play crapshoot with our votes.
Oct 20, 2008 - 10:30 am 11. Ninch:Obama also positively reviewed one of Ayers’ books.
I agree that a one-page “medical” report by Obama’s doctor is not a release of Obama’s medical records. And NO school records. Why not? Too much relatively simple stuff kept hidden. And this downplaying and lack of being open about his past personal associations is very troubling… especially when he has called Rezko, Wright, and Phleger his “mentors.”
Oct 20, 2008 - 10:34 am 12. MATT SPURGIN:I work at a Historically Black University. Last week I was invited to have dinner with the President of the University along with 7 other employees. Needless, to say that I had to sit through 45 minutes of Obama Praise. One comment about made me choke on my bread stick. One lady said “Obama must be clean as a whistle, because the media hasn’t found anything on him yet”. Firt of all, to think that any politician is clean as a whistle is silly to say the least. Secondly, Obama has his fair share of stains, the media just ignores it. They are more interested in doing fact finding missions on a man who is more likely to work on your sewer than he is to ever be your president.
Oct 20, 2008 - 10:35 am 13. R a Z o R:Are you going to believe Obama or your lying eyes ?
Mama always said if you lay down with dogs ,
you wake up with fleas .
One thing about the media , I know not to vote for that puppy drowning plumber !
But were we in Laos or not ? And how was the enemy confused about it again ?
Oct 20, 2008 - 10:39 am 14. Clyde:I find it insulting that no one has looked into Obama’s past admitted drug use. Remember all the focus on Bush’s supposed cocaine abuses. Did he or did he not smoke pot? It was the talk of web for several months. Now we have a guy who admitted to using drugs and all of a sudden, no one cares. It’s not important. Wow!
Oct 20, 2008 - 10:51 am 15. cfbleachers:Of course, to those on the far political left, from the 1960s onward, Bill Ayers and his radical wife, Bernardine Dohrn, have been heroes, not despicable domestic terrorists. It isn’t hard for me to understand why Obama’s alliance with this pair isn’t problematic for any of the blame-America-first crowd. But for those of us who still love America and believe in our Constitution, a working relationship with domestic terrorist Bill Ayers is enough to disqualify Obama from our votes.
Kyle-Anne, a couple of points on the above paragraph from my point of view, if I may.
1)Since Ayers and Dohrn were involved with a conspiracy to create a nail bomb (precisely what it sounds like, a bomb, when detonated that would expel nails into the flesh of its intended victims) at Ft. Dix in order to maim, blind, and kill young men in uniform and their innocent dates,….
a) can we finally …finally…put away the canard that those who hero worship these two cretins care about our young men and women in uniform, but instead only dislike war?
b) can we ask the question of those who seek to whitewash their treasonous past and support their tear down the system agenda, how they could face our men and women in uniform, much less lead them in the defense of this land of ours?
2)Since Ayers has been seen photographed stomping his dirty boots on our American flag and has been quoted as saying that this country makes him puke, and that he is a small “c” communist…
a)Can we ask the question of those who soft peddle this treason plan to defend that flag from all enemies, foreign and domestic?
b)Can we ask the question, if wearing a flag on our lapels is the “wrong” kind of patriotism, is stomping on it with dirty boots the “right kind? If so, shouldn’t you give each speech with it on the ground beneath your feet rather than on a pole above your head?
You see, it doesn’t matter to me that Alice Palmer was a communist or that Klonsky is a Maoist. It doesn’t matter how Ayers capitalizes his “c” in communism. It doesn’t matter to me that New Party was really an offshoot of the Democratic Socialists of America or that ACORN is an offshoot or a progenitor of any or all of the above.
It doesn’t matter that Jeremiah Wright is a disciple of James Cone’s Marxist cult. Or that they believe that God must want to kill white people…or be killed Himself by the black congregation. (what this belief has to do with Christianity, I cannot fathom) and that he is on record as saying so. Or that he wishes God to damn America. It does not matter that Moss and Meeks and Pfleger are cast from the same mold.
It does not matter that Klonsky wants to create a “fusion” of Maoists, Communists (large and small “c”) Socialists and anarchists to form a party that takes over the country, ters down the system and is on record saying so.
It does not matter that Frank Marshall Davis was a member of the Communist Party USA, bragged about sexual relations with a 13 year old girl or spat venom about the American Dream.
These lifelong friends, these mentors, these spiritual advisors, these father figures and guiding lights, have been overlords of your pathway from the time you were a boy until this very moment.
It matters not one whit what they believe, although every American of honor and conscience stands in complete opposition to all that they stand for and all that they represent.
It matters not one whit that they wish to tear down the system and to act upon their treasonous plots.
It matters not one whit.
What matters is this.
Which of us will you turn your back on?
Oct 20, 2008 - 10:51 am 16. Mark Birdsall:Just thought you might be interested in knowing that Obama HAS released his birth certificate.
Obama is not clean as a whistle, but as compared to McCain he at least has some standards and guiding principles.
Have you ever really looked at McCain’s record and flip flops? Pay attention to your candidate he is not at all what he purports.
I would have voted McCain if Clinton had won the Nomination, he like Obama is a cut above many politicians. When compared to one another however, Obama is the stand out in terms of integrity, vision, and pragmatism.
In these times we need a pragmatist like Obama to move us beyond the rhetoric and right/left nonsense.
I urge you to look again with fresh eyes.
Oct 20, 2008 - 10:52 am 17. Anna:We the people are hiring the next president and we deserve to know exactly what is in the candidates resumes, AND what is missing!
Oct 20, 2008 - 10:54 am 18. Dr. Slogan:Jodie Evans is the Code Pink interloper who attempted to storm the stage during Sarah Palin’s speech at the Republican convention. Here’s a brief description of Evans from “Moonbattery”.
“A founding member of the campaign finance team of Democratic presidential nominee Illinois Sen. Barack Obama has been working with state sponsors of terrorism to undermine the United States in the global war on terror since at least February, 2003.
Jodie Evans, co-founder of the leftist anti-American group Code Pink, has documented ties to governments on the State Department’s list of current and former state sponsors of terrorism including Iran, Cuba, Syria and the former Iraqi government under Saddam Hussein. She also has endorsed and worked with the so-called Iraqi resistance that has killed over three thousand American soldiers and thousands of free Iraqis.”
Please share this information. America deserves the truth about Obama.
It’s mindboggling to see how all these connections get totally ignored by many voters who you’d expect to have some commen sense. Half of the country is simply in denial. Not only they don’t realize that there will be damage, they don’t understand that this damaga will be permanent. Of all the Obama’s shady associates Bill Ayers probably matters the most, because he is the key to understanding the agenda of the camp Obama represents and the the means they are going to use to achieve their goals. Once Obama gives education to Ayers and his followers, the next generation of American kids will be conditioned to believe in the same ideas that drove Ayers to bomb the Pentagon. And then American parents will start hearing questions like Dad, what was that thing you said about President Obama?.
Oct 20, 2008 - 11:01 am 19. Ayers File « Colbert U R Dead 2 Me:[...] Obama Friends List, Now Checking It Twice http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/made-my-obama-friends-list-now-checking-it-twice/ [...]
Oct 20, 2008 - 11:08 am 20. wpb:Joseph Marshall:
Your right about it being too late for McCain to play this card now. Four months ago would have made more sense, even if the MSM showed no inclination to cooperate on the story. So I suppose there is an air of desperation about it. Much like the desperation of ACORN and their voter registration tactics, and the “Fight the Smears” website, that labels any criticism as a “smear” or “racist”. The difference is those tactics are working. Strategically, Obama’s team has run a smarter, tougher, and more ruthless campaign that McCain, and it looks like it will pay off on Nov 4th.
However, I don’t understand how that translates into making him a better leader on Jan 20th. I realize he’s promised everything to everybody, but I hope you don’t believe that it will all happen, or that somehow translates into leadership. (see Bill Clinton’s 1st term for examples) I think the concerns voiced by Ms. Shiver are legitimate in so much as they point to character and decision making ability. Is he wise enough to steer America through the difficult times ahead?
If wisdom is the sum of someone’s knowledge and experience (I won’t even go into the experience question), guided by their moral compass, then there’s a lot to be concerned with, as either Obama’s moral compass is broken, in need of repair, or he doesn’t know how to use it. The wisdom that you seem to see is not apparent to me.
Oct 20, 2008 - 11:18 am 21. Robert Hurley:(You might want to pray for Obama’s health too - I don’t recall Biden articulating his plan “if the call comes”…)
Too bad that known American hater and covert terrorist , General Powell, endorsed Obama
Oct 20, 2008 - 11:37 am 22. RE:Hugo Chavez, Mohmar Khadafi, and Fidel Castro are all endorsing Obama as well. Powell spent to much time at the Department of State. Looks like Powell went native.
Either that, or he’s endorsing Obama based on race.
I think it’s race.
Oct 20, 2008 - 11:56 am 23. Cy:Obama is an expert at covering his tracks from his associations with unrepentant terrorists and race baiting zealots to an unverified birth certificate to his non- release of school and medical records to his support of a Marxist style socialist agenda. One thing seems to be clear out in the open though and is a most persuasive argument for not believing Obama’s tax promises. ALL THE UBER ELITE SUPER RICH CELEBRITIES ARE SUPPORTING OBAMA. Hellooooooooo!!! I don’t believe for a milli-second they are all gung-ho about paying taxes of 50% because they love all the Obama/Pelosi/Reid redistribution plans. Their accountants will sock away all of the uber rich fortunes (Buffett, Oprah, and now Powell on the OBAMA GRAVY TRAIN FOR THE RICH AND FAMOUS in untouchable accounts and the Obama/Pelosi/Reid tax and spend policies will ultimately be paid for by hardworking middleclass Americans, just as they plan, to turn us all into socialist drones to be at the disposal of the scheming liberal elite.
Oct 20, 2008 - 12:04 pm 24. Cruzan:Did anyone notice that Obama’s reincarnation of Bill Ayers has him going from ‘english teacher’ at the university, to full “Professor of Education”? And his “uncle” in Kenya that ran, and lost, for president of Kenya is now a ‘distant cousin’?
Interesting the people under that bus of his.
Oct 20, 2008 - 12:11 pm 25. Someone75:I don’t get it - this is still pure speculation. Obama has publicly addressed all these issues. You want there to be a big, bad secret, but I’m just not seeing it. Don’t you think Hillary and McCain would have found out Obama’s “evil plans” in their vetting process? There’s no way McCain’s people were too sloppy to uncover Obama’s supposed “hidden agenda”. McCain has some questionable associations of his own, but you don’t see them dominating all the opinion coming from the right wing media.
I just don’t get it. You know where Obama stands on so many substantive issues, but this is what you talk about. Attack him for his abortion stance, or his economic policy, or any other number of real issues, but why do we have to keep wondering if there’s something lurking in the past of a man who no longer has any secrets?
Oct 20, 2008 - 12:15 pm 26. Robert Hurley:RE
I wonder you might be a bit racist yourself
Oct 20, 2008 - 12:26 pm 27. RE:Robert Hurley
Racist? It’s interesting that you’ve used the left’s argument of last resort so quickly. Then again, Powell’s tranparcency is rather hard to defend. So I’m not too surprised.
But go ahead, project as much as you want. Go nuts.
Oct 20, 2008 - 1:03 pm 28. rvastar:That’s OK, Hurl…there are plenty of REAL America-haters and REAL terrorists who have also endorsed Obama. Hamas, for example…or Ahmadenijihad. How proud you must be.
But seriously, great work on the endless litany of red herrings and straw men you constantly Hurl up on this site. Being that obtuse and intellectually dishonest must be truly taxing. You know, there’s probably real growth potential for you in Dear Leader’s Ministry of Disinformation. But come to think of it, you may already be a card-carrying member…since, substantively, there’s little difference between your water-carrying and that of the news media.
Oct 20, 2008 - 1:09 pm 29. Will Becker:Anyone with just a little socialist background alarms me,and Bakak Hussein Obama’s whole life has been involved with Marxist America haters.Race has nothing to do with a deep concern for the security of our great country.
Oct 20, 2008 - 1:19 pm 30. Bill Menge:We also know him by some other friends…Ted Kennedy, Joe Biden, Caroline Kennedy, Maria Shriver, John Kerry…and many more. Give up the terrorist stuff. That dog don’t hunt.
Oct 20, 2008 - 1:31 pm 31. thegr8_1:We know EVERYTHING about McCain and Palin thanks to the mainslime media. We know more about Joe the Plumber than we know about Obama why don’t we write in Joe for President? Or how about a Palin/Joe the Plumber ticket that would bring real change to Washington. I like that better than Obama/Biden.
Oct 20, 2008 - 1:40 pm 32. Brian Richard Allen:Robert Hurley, please note:
First generation “African-’American’” son of relatively well-to-do British-immigrant parents, life-time Bush-Family and Republican Party blind-spot occupant, affirmative-action poster person, perfumed princeling whose pansy-ness cost General Swartzkoff and America an effective victory in Gulf War One and passed-over projector of the psychopathology that permeates the pathetic self-annointing, appointing and perpetuating basta*d offspring of the Soviet agents, Alger Hiss et al, who comprise Foggy Bottom’s brahmanas and carefully clone its un-and-anti-American foreign(er) service(ing) enemies of (the) State — Colon Powell — will vote for the mobbed-up Marxist murtadd Muslim, B Milhous bin B Hussayn bin Hussayn Muhummad Ubama.
While, meanwhile, I, still proudly one of the 225 million Americans who has NEVER voted for either a Cli’ton or a “Democrat” (let alone for a street-agitating Saul Alinsky Stalinist!) will vote for the McCain/Palin ticket.
And so will around a hundred of our immediate family and circle of friends, neighbors and acquaintances.
Brian Richard Allen and co, 99 : Mr Powell Zip!
Next?
Brian Richard Allen
Oct 20, 2008 - 1:47 pm 33. TexEd:Los Angeles CalifOBAMAcated 90028 — and the Far Abroad
Yeah, but I’d also like to see where all this money is coming from! You don’t collect $150 in a month in $5 increments.
Oct 20, 2008 - 2:05 pm 34. JMS2008:Labor unions, plaintiff’s attorneys, Saudis, Muslim terrorists, Soros types, Chinese, communists, Russians, black racists and gangsters are funding him (after he said he’d take public funding). What have they been promised? Who are they? What do they expect for their bribes?
Thanks for this amazing article. I wonder what the MSM and the Democrats would say about a Republican presidential candidate who had as little experience and similar questionable ties as Obama. Can you say double-standard? Someone above mentioned Obama’s cocaine use. Yes, what about that? the NYT is smearing Cindy McCain for being addicted to pain killers (which is very common), and the whole MSM made a huge issue of Todd Palin’s single DUI arrest over 20 years ago. Where are they with Obama’s voluntary drug use?? What the hell?
Also, and I know this has been discussed a lot recently, but look what the MSM and left wing is doing to Joe the Plumber. If I were an undecided voter, that alone would make my decision for me. The smear campaign that Obama and Biden (not just the MSM) are doing to Joe on the stump is 10 times worse than anything they claim McCain is doing to them in his ads, and Joe is not running for office. They even make an issue of the fact that Joe’s “real” name is Samuel. Okay, fine, Joe is the guy’s middle name. Why won’t Barack Obama ever say his middle name in public? Even at the Alfred E. Smith dinner, when he was making fun of his name, he couldn’t bring himself to say “Hussein.” I thought that was very interesting. So Joe likes to go by his middle name instead of his first. Is this a crime now? He owes back taxes. So does Martin Nesbitt, the treasurer Obama’s campaign! If Obama’s treasurer can’t keep his taxes current, I think that’s more serious than some guy in Ohio who is behind a little bit and worried about being taxed even more!! Doesn’t that make sense? Joe the Plumber said it best himself, “If you can’t ask a question of your leaders, that’s pretty scary.”
Oct 20, 2008 - 2:10 pm 35. Believer:Most interesting was Biden’s recent remark that he guarantees will happen:
We will, within the first 6 months of Obama’s presidency, experience an international “incident” that will test BO. He says our enemies will want to see what he’s made of.
Well —– I’d rather not find out, thank you very much.
I’m going with the guy everybody knows is tough. No testing required.
That dude sticks his foot in it every time.
Oct 20, 2008 - 2:20 pm 36. Robert Hurley:Brian Richard Allen
If you are truly an African American wich would be hard to prove. the evidence is that your vote for Senator Obama will be one of the 5% of African Americans who vote. As to your characterization of Obama as “mobbed-up Marxist murtadd Muslim, B Milhous bin B Hussayn bin Hussayn Muhummad Ubama,” I think that you are devaluing your opinion by the use of that language. No reasonable person based on the evidence would use that characterization. So go ahead give us some more undounded accusations
Oct 20, 2008 - 2:25 pm 37. Javelin:Wright, Rezko, and Ayers, we’ve all know about them for months. Do you think this is a winning strategy for McCain to keep repeating the same old trash like some bigmouth ala Cunningham or Hannity? It shows that you have nothing positive to say and that also turns off the undecided, who are the ones you should be trying to reach! Instead, like the blogtard you are, you are just pandering to the geeks on the web or talk radio who have already made up their minds years ago.
Oct 20, 2008 - 2:28 pm 38. Jake in Pittsburgh:Marshall and Hurley, et. al.
He hasn’t released his birth certificate…the Hawaiin “certificate of live birth” he’s posted on his website is not a birth certificate. It won’t qualify as a legal document of birth. Not acceptable to any government agency. Period. He can and should produce his Hawaiian birth certificate– a totally separate document that any American has.
Of course, the fear is that he wasn’t born in the U.S. His Kenyan relatives proudly claim they were at the hospital when he was born. Maybe they’re right, maybe they’re not.
Why no transcripts? College transcripts at the time denote the place of birth. My sense is that there is a lot of Marxist/socialist/race theory stuff on that transcript. That would have no traction with me, nor with many Americans. But not a natural born citizen of the U.S.? Well, that’s problem.
Marshall and Hurly and company, you are simple-minded fools, or you fear the truth. Go ahead– prove me just to be another rightwing nut. Release a copy of an authentic, legally acceptable Hawaiian birth certificate, and I’ll be the simple-minded fool. But there is no fear here. I don’t fear asking a very simple question that can be very simply answered. Nor should you.
Oct 20, 2008 - 2:29 pm 39. Steve-o:Why did Powell endorse Obama? Because Powell is a partner in a “clean tech” company that stands to make multi-millions under Obama’s onerous environmental regs. Follow the money, always follow the money.
Oct 20, 2008 - 2:48 pm 40. Arkady:Who cares about Powell? He clearly has interest in this presidency and/or he is endorsing because of the race. Just because someone endorses Obama does not VALIDATE Obama it only goes to show you how many people are voting for the wrong reasons.
90% of the black vote is not relevant, most black people supporting Obama are doing so far selfish reasons.
Either to see a black man as president or to benefit from the tax cuts. Ignorance does not discriminate.
http://rkdpolitics.blogspot.com/
Oct 20, 2008 - 3:07 pm 41. Flash:Robert Hurley
Oct 20, 2008 - 3:09 pm 42. Lee-Missouri Ozarks:Will you be leading the looting and rioting in your neighborhood when McCain wins? By the way, it was Powell who made the whole case for taking military action against Iraq…you know the war Obama was against? But now he’s happy to have his endorsement?
This is Classic Kyle-Anne, well researched and very well said. You do us all proud.
A couple of comments on comments:
Mr Hurley(#1)If the shoe fits….
General Powell, his endorsement has been expected for months. The General is not a “warrier” in the sense of a Patton or MacArthur. His primary career positions have been Staff as opposed to Line. He is much more a diplomat. He, incidently, is also not quite black.
Christopher Buckley is still rebelling against “Pup”(dad). Read his justification for this endorsement.(The Daily Beast, OCT 10,2008)
95% of black americans voting for BHO is NOT racism in its purest form, what a quaint idea.
Obama has made it very clear that his focus is global(replay his Berlin speech). His socialist agenda only underlines that.
Mr Marshall
The “everybody does it” argument is sophomoric at best. These “friends” of Obama are america haters and criminals. They are not “just neighbors”
Mr Birdsall
I suppose marching in lockstep with the liberal agenda in the US Senate 100% of the time would meet your definition of pragmatism.
I do tend to agree that the ubiquitous birth certificate may itself be a non issue. I think someone with better resources han I needs to look at Obamas’ time in Indonesia.
I understand he was adopted just before or shortly after arriving in Indonesia. His adoptive father was Indonesian, this made BHO an Indonesian citizen.
By US law he has to renounce that citizenship in order to become a US citizen. His birthplace and certification thereof is not germane. If this is the case why haven’t the INS records been made available. If it is not the case we are still back to a questionable birth document.
If he is an Indonesian citizen, not having taken the US State Department and INS actions necessary to renounce, he is still an Indonesian citizen and is absolutly not an eligible candidate for POTUS.
I’m beginning to think that this election needs to be postponed. Time is necessary to resolve the ACORN mess. How we can as a country go out and vote with this kind of illegal activity un corrected is beyond me. Also, there are far to many deliberate unkowns in the background of one candidate.Just about every document that normally tells parts of ones life story, school records, papers, various certificates, work records, are unavailable, lost or questionable. This should not and can not be left for “after the election”.
Until certain major funding, criminal associations, terrorist ties, ties to ACORN activities, voter registration and Voter Fraud questions are settled to the electorates satisfaction this man Obama can not be allowed access to the levers of power represented by POTUS and occupancy of the White House.
PC is Thought Control
Oct 20, 2008 - 3:10 pm 43. Joseph Marshall:LEE
wpb:
Much of this can be said of any candidate. For one thing, very little gets done by any President without the cooperation of the Congress and the courts. These, plus events, will shape what’s possible. All you can ask of the occupants of the Oval Office is that they are stable, intelligent, and flexible in the face of events.
Is Obama stable? We put our candidates through the longest and most grueling election process on earth, expose them to viscious libels on an industrial scale, and then, at the end of it, put them on public display debating with each other in front of millions. I think Obama passes that test.
Is he intelligent? I have seen an occasional remark reported of him that was ill said or ill timed. But I have never heard of one that I thought stupid. That’s the best evidence available. His general articulateness, particularly when he has time to arrange his mind, is self-evident.
Is he flexible? It’s been so long [about eight years] since anyone in the Executive Branch has been capable of listening to and seeking out independent advice before making a decision that we have almost forgotten what it means. Obama does this.
Now I must say I get weary of this “moral compass” business. Despite the unbelievable rigors and duration of this campaign, I have not heard once where Obama has treated McCain, or his sacrifice to the country, with anything less than personal respect, no matter how sharp the clashes of opinion or point of view. I did not hear of him treating Bill or Hillary Clinton so, either. But I have not seen every one of his public comments, so if you know of one that does, let me know.
I believe this meets a moral standard called the Golden Rule.
I would say that at least the following prominent Republicans have treated Obama with such open and public personal disdain and contempt that I am ashamed for those who cannot see both the ill manners and the moral corruptness of their behavior: Fred Thompson, Rudi Guliani, Sarah Palin, and John McCain. I have personally heard them do this in the single most prominent venue, and in the name of all the members, of their party.
Nothing is as distasteful about the Republican Party, or the Conservative movement, of today, as the habit of treating a political adversary as a personal punching bag.
Moreover, the most morally corrupt thing about this practice is that it occurs in an atmosphere of inane sanctimoniousness among people who seem to believe that “values” are registered under their personal copyright and no one else’s.
Since so many of these people are Christian [I am not.], you would think at least some of them could tell the difference between a Christian and a Pharasee, and understand as Christians that they, too, are sinners before God, as is Obama, and must needs be humble in the face of that fact.
I have watched Obama the man as carefully as I can under the microscope of this campaign, whether it is standing up to testify of personal religious belief; interviewing informally with his wife and children; speaking to the public and the issues with a quality of rhetoric that would not have shamed either Lincoln or Douglas, and Jefferson or Adams; and I remain almost as puzzled as Someone75 about the paranoid parallel universe over here.
Almost, but not quite. Because I am certain that what is behind it is the shame of genuine, but unacknowledged, failure and the cold wind of genuine fear. But it is political failure and political fear, not the moral sort.
Your leaders have betrayed you, including John McCain. In 2004, they, and you, had as much political power as it is possible to have in American politics. They did nothing with it, and you never held them accountable. Not single Conservative agenda was advanced by them one jot. Why? Because to these leaders that agenda is mere words to which they long ago forgot the meaning.
How else could George Bush have just come out with the patent absurdity of warning European leaders to preserve the “free market” immediately after he has presided over the defacto nationalization of the banking system?
The fear is simple. Obama is not a dunce, nor has he forgotten the meaning of the views we share with him. This election will be as potent for him and us as 2004 could have been for you–as potent, in fact, as the elections of 1932 and 1964, both of which transformed this country. I have absolutely no doubt that this opportunity will not pass us by because we are too timid and too self-satisfied to take it.
And, if you do not have our agenda, that is something truly to be afraid of.
Oct 20, 2008 - 3:28 pm 44. bevperl:Excellent article!
I truly believe Obama counted on stealing this election but since we are onto ACORN, we just might have a fair election after all!
I believe McCain will win by a landslide, once all the fraud is cleared out.
Oct 20, 2008 - 3:39 pm 45. Terry Gain:You forgot to mention his Muslim cousin Odinga. In 2006 Obama traveled to Kenya to support the election of Odinga who vowed, if elected, to impose Sharia law.
Oct 20, 2008 - 3:40 pm 46. truthful:Why is 5% of the McCain campaign about John McCain and 95% against Obama? As an independent, I found this election and the two candidates to be the most interesting and exciting one to be a part of in my life. I have looked into a wide variety of opinions and media like this one that I probably would never have even noticed before. This could have been such an incredible time to be in an American democracy.
However, in the last few weeks as the GOP began losing ground, the issues have turned to trivial and off-the-wall accusations instead of real-world, real-time debates. Really, this kind of fear mongering is more along the lines of a facist society, not a democratic one.
And by the way- the “main-stream media” is just that because it is the Main Stream-as in the majority of Americans- the majority that want the war to end, distrust the current administration and want negative/distorted mud slinging to stop.
Oct 20, 2008 - 3:41 pm 47. Terry Gain:Colin Powell’s endorsement of Obama did not come as a surprise to me.
Powell knew that his deputy Richard Armitage was the leaker in the Plame affair and yet he remained silent while Bush administration officials faced criminal indictment.
I would have been flabbergasted if Powell had done the right thing and supported the man who is clearly up to the job rather than the fool who thinks Iraq can be conceded to Al Qaeda and Iran without devastating consequences.
Oct 20, 2008 - 3:52 pm 48. Ed Wallis:Just a bit on the Obama/Ayers connection:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xBlTdsnOh8
Oct 20, 2008 - 4:31 pm 49. Aleena:truthful (misnomer),
I don’t think you’ve been paying attention. Senator Obama’s political views are reflected by the people with whom he has associated. He has had many past associates who hate this country and want to shove their political views on the entire nation. Senator Obama has still not been even modestly vetted. He needs to be honest and open about his past. It is hopelessly obscured; the mainstream media have not done their jobs. If you read conservative sites, I am not the only one who feels this way.
His supporters have a silly habit of telling us that there is no problem; everything has been checked out. How stupid do they think we are! It simply won’t work.
Oct 20, 2008 - 4:54 pm 50. Lezident:Did Obama register as an “international” student at US colleges? If so, why the coverup?
Because Obama was a Kenyan citizen until he was 21, (look it up, it’s on his web site) did he register at Occidental College and Columbia University as an international student….as a Kenyan?
It would have been his right to do this, as he inherited this citizenship from his father, and it would have been to his advantage because the applicant pool from Kenya would not have had as many people with his elite prep school education.
It would have been a smart move on his part at the time and there’s nothing inherently wrong with it. The US applicant pool is much more competitive for these elite colleges.
Has anyone discussed this thoroughly? I know the college records are all locked up…but wouldn’t Americans want to know if he applied to the schools and registered under his foreign citizenship rather than as an American?
What’s wrong with this, in my view, is his secrecy and covering up his true history. His educated, elite followers would no doubt understand and approve of his applying and registering for college as a Kenyan citizen, while others would wonder why he felt he had to keep it a secret and go to great lengths to cover it up.
Oct 20, 2008 - 6:22 pm 51. truthful:Aleena-
What are the chances that a reporter, anywhere in the world, would not scoop a career making story on Obama over the past year? Do you really think there is a conspiracy involving tens of thousands of reporters, including conservative ones like Fox News and their multi-million dollar budget? I think the odds are more likely that there is no story.
Yeah, I read many sites - here is a left wing one: http://www.jdunderground.com/thread.php?threadId=13377 McCain has Hagee, G. Gordon Liddy, sealed his POW record…blah blah So what? It’s all rubbish. McCain is not evil and Obama is not terrorist unless you are in a 5th grade recess argument. Every once in awhile I make a comment to vent my frustration, I don’t hope to change your view, perhaps you can broaden it to see beyond the fear.
Oct 20, 2008 - 6:22 pm 52. Someone75:Jake in Pittsburgh:
There are worse things to study than Marxism and political theory other than democracy. You surely don’t expect a well educated person to be ignorant of the theory behind communism and socialism, do you? Although, I might wager that you are yourself.
I know I’m going to get hammered for this, but I’ll say it anyway. A wise man can see the value (how ever little it may be) in alternatives. Communism has some good things to say in support of the common man. However, it’s wrapped in an ideology that is guaranteed failure, and thus we don’t use it for our government. I don’t want us to be a communist nation, nor does anyone else. But, it’s not 100% amoral evil devilspeak.
Oct 20, 2008 - 6:24 pm 53. hp:powell has been offered a position in washington.
bought.
sealed.
delivered.
Oct 20, 2008 - 6:28 pm 54. Jarhead68:To :9. Bill:
Wow. As a conservative, reading articles like this remind me why we’re going to get trounced in this election. Nice job, Ms. Shiver. Irrelevant and factually inaccurate issues. Thanks a lot.
Yet you fail to point out a single inaccuracy in Ms. Shiver’s article. You just did a democRAT smear job (drive-by media style) and left the room without providing any substantiation. You call yourself a conservative? Hah!!! You’re a drive-by troll with nothing in the tank except the Hussein Kool-Aid.
Oct 20, 2008 - 6:38 pm 55. Jerry Cohen:Imagine a contemporary politician who was only eight years old in September of 1963. A time when a Birmingham church was firebombed, killing four innocent little girls. Now let’s imagine that same politician meeting in the home of one of the Klansman who set the bomb. Does anyone think General Powell or the MSM would explain that away?
Oct 20, 2008 - 6:47 pm 56. Therese:Excellent article! For any logical thinking person, all you have to do is connect the dots to see that Obama is an empty-suit socialist with extreme views and plans that are dangerous for our country. My greatest fear is that he is a “Manchurian Candidate” which is why this birth certificate thing is a big deal to me, too.
However, no matter how logical and clear the explanation about Obama’s troubling experience and associations, liberals are not going to want to hear anything bad about him.
What surprises me, though, is how so many liberals come to sites with conservative views to try to start fights. Why don’t you guys stay at Huffingtonpost.com, Moveon.org of DailyKos? Could it be that you’re tired of each other?
Obama is a con man and, unfortunately, he has conned many, many Americans. One thing I heard about people who have been fleeced by con men is that the victims still feel something for the person who did it to them. Apparently, they have a hard time accepting that the person that they thought they knew was capable of doing such a terrible thing to them. And when they look back, they could see that all the warning signs were there, but they refused to see them.
This is what is going on with liberals right now. They just can’t accept the truth about Obama. My problem with it, though, is that THEY WILL NOT BE THE ONLY ONES HURT BY OBAMA. OBAMA WILL RUIN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY WHICH ALSO AFFECTS ME AND MY LOVED ONES.
Thus, I am praying that more people wake up in time to vote McCain/Palin and help save the country from this obvious con man.
Oct 20, 2008 - 6:55 pm 57. schnargley:What can you say about a man who can bring together Americans who wanted to blow up young American soldiers while they had a dance, (not to speak of preachers who preached black racsism and hatred against Jews and America,) and a reputable patriotic general?
Who could do that?He must be the Messiah! Yay!
Oct 20, 2008 - 7:47 pm 58. rcd33b:I think that a man’s charachter can be assessed by his behavior and that a man’s behavior reveals his values. Mr. Obama’s behavior; attending Rev. Wright’s church for so many years, keeping company with Mr. Ayers, refusing to disavow himself of these people and their positions, all speak to Mr. Obama’s charachter. He is a product of keeping company with people who have stated through their words and criminal actions that they “hate” America, to the point of murder. His own wife has made it crystal clear she “hates” her country. How can anyone, save those who themselves hate America, even consider electing this type of person to the highest office n the land? Obama’s most vocal supporters are ardent environmentalists, anti-Second Amendment advocates and others of similar kind who embrace socialism and seek to change America forever. Liberals, leftists and Democrats (basically the same thing nowadays) point to articles like this and belittle them. That is because they either don’t give one whit about charachter issues (not surprising considering who they put forth as Presidential candidates) or, deep down inside they know charachter counts and attempt to dismiss articles like this with disdain and arrogance. No one else matters to them except themselves and their agenda, and they will do whatever it takes to accomplish it. The truth is, if the mainstream propoganda machine, er, I mean media, actually delivered the truth and facts about Mr. Obama, he never would have been a serious candidate in the first place. Charachter, honor and integrity are everything, and especially needed in a leader. Mr. Obama is not a leader, he is a dictator in the making.
Oct 20, 2008 - 7:47 pm 59. Jennie Maroney:If I remember correctly, Colin Powell is also the man Barbara Walters mentioned in her book as having an affair with him while he was still married. What does that say about his judgment and character? As far as I’m concerned his endorsement is worth as much as the price of a cup of coffee.
Oct 20, 2008 - 8:09 pm 60. Someone75:hp:
That would be so convenient for you, wouldn’t it? Powell endorsed Obama because he was offered a position in Washington. Too bad Powell is retired. Is that the best you can come up with?
Oct 20, 2008 - 9:06 pm 61. dlc:Obama is a disburbing character. He can lie without even thinking twice about it and then smear the person who dares to call him on it or ask him to clarify. He uses people for political purposes and then just tosses them away if they become an embarrassment to him later. He is advocate of class warfare and actually thinks that an unwanted pregnancy is a “punishment” that he doesn’t want his daughters to endure. There is nothing new or different about him, he is just another corrupt power hungry politician that just happens to lie a little more eloquently.
Oct 20, 2008 - 9:55 pm 62. Jeff:I don’t think he is even qualified to be a senator let alone the President. He is very bad news and I hope that America will not vote for him. If somehow he manages to buy this election, than I will pray for him and pray that I am wrong.
I am neither a Republican nor a Democrat but a true Independent who believes in facts and really believes in learning the lessons of our history.
So here is a simple fact for America -
1) During Ronald Reagan’s Presidency of 2 terms, between 1981-1989, we were at our economic best in a quarter of a century. We made the right choice in these 8 years as a country.
2) During George H. W. Bush Sr.’s Presidency of 1 term, between 1989-1993, we were at our economic worst in a quarter of a century. We made a huge mistake as a country but corrected it by keeping him in office for only 1 term.
3) During Bill Clinton’s Presidency of 2 terms, between 1993-2001, we were again at our economic best in a quarter of a century, even better than Reagan’s era. We made the right choice again in these 8 years as a country, despite his personal scandals.
4) Now, during George W. Bush Jr.’s Presidency of 2 terms, between 2001-this coming January 20, 2009; we have been at our economic worst in a quarter of a century, even worst than Bush Sr.’s era. We really made a huge mistake as a country on this one by not realizing that the apple really doesn’t fall very far from the tree. Yet we chose this apple again the second time around.
Now, really let this simple fact sink in America and take your time to think carefully this time around about how you want the direction of this country to go.
We made history with Reagan. We then made a mistake with Bush Sr. but corrected history by allowing him to only serve 1 term. We then made history again with Clinton, despite his personal scandals. Now, we have made 2 mistakes with Bush Jr. by allowing him to serve not once, but twice. So my last question to America is, guess which candidate shares the interests of both, Bush Sr. and Bush Jr.? I will let America answer this one. We are much, much smarter as a country to want to make history rather than make mistakes and to suffer yet again from our own mistakes by not using objectivity as our first and foremost agenda.
Oct 20, 2008 - 10:20 pm 63. Neil C. Reinhardt:This Atheist Activest says Robert Hurtley just proved it i s sasy for a con man to con people as he has most certainly conned Hurtley.
ODUMA IS A RACIST, child.
and since,during the late 1950’s and early 1960’s, I put my physical welle being and my life on the line FOR Black Civil Rights,come call me a racist and I will kick your stupid punk ass! Nect CHILD, Oduam a has TERRORISTS and CROOKS for friends.
YOU CHILD, have been conned and YOU are TOO STUPID to know it!
Oct 20, 2008 - 10:51 pm 64. Believer:Hi, Jennie.
I’m sure you’d want the record corrected: It wasn’t Powell.
I think you’re remembering another black, married man who Walters crowed about having an affair with. I can’t remember his name, but he might have been a congressman or someone with a good amount of power himself. Now deceased.
But I do agree with you that Powell’s lost all credibility.
The two-year Valerie Plame investigation finally did it for me. He knew all along it was one of his men, Armitage, who’d revealed her name and said nothing all during that time — wasting tax payer dollars and more importantly, dragging so many, especially Scooter Libby, through hell.
It shocked me to learn he’d have so little character.
His endorsement means nothing to me. That he would vote for Obama - and the reasons I’ve heard him give - only reinforce how feeble his judgment is. You’re definitely right on that.
Oct 20, 2008 - 11:14 pm 65. Marc Malone:At first, I was skeptical of Powell’s endorsement of Obama. I came up with any number of reasons why: political opportunism; hedging his bet by waiting until it looked like Obama had it in the bag; doing the superdelegate thing by trying to change the current dialogue; going with the brutha; etc….
When I thought about exactly what he said, I accept his explanation. Powell was never fully on board with Bush’s policies. He’s more of a moderate or an independent. Thus, Obama wouldn’t seem that bad to him. McCain is an old friend for whom he has much respect.
If you look at the message of his diplomat’s words, you find his concern for his friend McCain’s apparently diminishing faculties. He then sees Palin waiting in the wings, and doesn’t like the picture. In the eyes of a man who has focussed exclusively on foreign affairs, she is intolerable. I get that.
In my view, there are other things in life, and she’ll eventually get up to speed on national and international affairs. I find her accomplishments outweigh her lacks, as she has simply had to learn many other things that will also serve her well.
The clincher to me was when he said he would be voting for him, he didn’t urge others to do so, too. It was a Clintonesque endorsement: hardly full-throated.
Oct 21, 2008 - 12:25 am 66. Marc Malone:Joseph Marshall - I read your entire post, and you make a fairly good argument, much of which many here will agree with. Make no mistake, we, too, are not happy with how the Pub Party (sounds like a bunch of fun guys - the pub party) seems to have made a hash of many things.
I hate how the “true conservatives” (the far right) push the moderates from the party. If you do not agree on every social belief with them, then you get called a RINO, and are dismissed. Thus the shrinking of the party, and the lack of good leadership.
That said, you fail to address the nature of the article, and the feelings the issue arouses in us here. Yes, it is probably too late to bring this all up, because the financial shake-up has driven everything but economics into the background. It IS still a valid issue, even if it doesn’t resonate with any but the Pubs. Talking about it makes sure they’ll vote, even if it won’t convince those who stand for nothing but their pocketbooks.
It does beg the question of you, however: Would you have been friends, or even just allies, with the types of shady guys who fill the background of Obama? I couldn’t. I can see a tangential relationship or two, like McCain has, but Obama’s past is just completely filled with these kind of guys.
As for the personal punching bag stuff… it works both ways. McCain has bent over backwards to avoid personally attacking Obama. He has called out his own party; sworn off Rev. Wright; faced down his own crowds; specifically avoided calling him a Socialist. You have to grant him that.
Obama, however, did flip off Hillary once, and he did say condescendingly, “You’re likable enough, Hillary.” Watch the Lipstick on a Pig video. Watch as Obama says it, how his middle finger lifts from his brow. Playground plausibile deniability stuff.
The surrogates, on the other hand, for both parties, use brass knucks. Those on the far left have made up those most venomous charges out of whole cloth. (E.g., saying that Trig is actually her daughter’s baby, fathered by an incestuous Todd. Ugh. Who says that about a handicapped baby?) The right may focus on the worst elements of the opposing candidate, but there is no need to make stuff up from whole cloth, as there is simply so much with which to work.
Oct 21, 2008 - 12:58 am 67. vivo:62. Jeff:
Now, those are facts. Well done. I hope everyone would read them.
Oct 21, 2008 - 3:56 am 68. Jabba The Tutt:Hey Robert Hurley, yeah I know you’re a troll and one shouldn’t feed the trolls, but I have a question for you: What do America haters see in Barack Obama, that they support him? What is it about America haters that they like Obama? Here’s a partial list: Ayers/Dohrn, Michelle Obama, HAMAS, Gaddafi, Rev Wright, Rashid Khalidi, Frank Marshall Thomas, the Europeans who love Obama, Odinga….
Mr Hurley, what do they see in Obama that they like?
Oct 21, 2008 - 5:18 am 69. cfbleachers:Anyone who believes that the President is the primary force behind the economy, really doesn’t know enough to join the conversation.
The economy, before the Fannie/Freddie debacle, was not even remotely an issue. (albeit, the deficit had grown). Market forces and the legislators have a much greater impact on the economy than does the Executive branch of government.
Budgets are not passed without approval or amendment by Congress. One man does not spend our money, nor choose where to spend it. He also doesn’t make our energy decisions, raise the price of gasoline, hijack airplanes and drive them into our buildings. He responds to those things in an interactive way with our representatives…they project and respond to things happening around them.
NO economist worth an ounce of credibility gives substantial credit or blame for much of the economic status at any given moment in time to the President.
Oct 21, 2008 - 5:36 am 70. dr james:michelle obama…
you failed to mention that michelle obama knew bernadine dohrn and worked with her prior to marrying barrack.
in fact, barrack workrd with michelle and dohrn at the same law offices before his association with dohrns husband, bill ayers.
quite interesting coincidences, eh?
what are the odds in a city of millions?
Oct 21, 2008 - 5:43 am 71. Believer:Jabba left off his list, my favorite:
Loonie Farrakhan.
There’s a video of him recently telling his followers that the “messiah had spoken.” Yes, he used those words. And yes, it was pretty clear he was referring to Obama.
Now that’s alot of likin’.
Oct 21, 2008 - 7:33 am 72. Jeff:What people don’t understand is why some of us are so against the current Republican ticket, but we have an obligation to fight against history of ever being repeated again. Many of us out here are not fighting for the Democratic campaign but are fighting against an ideology.
1) An ideology that completely mirrors the ideology of this past 8 years.
2) An ideology that recognizes the few while completely disregarding the masses.
3) An ideology that believes in taking military action against Iraq, an incident that is completely unrelated to 9/11, without solidifying our claims beforehand. In the present, we have found no evidence of weapons of mass destructions or a tie to Osama Bin Laden. The devastation of this war has cost us over 4,000 of our brave troops and counting, over 1/2 trillion dollars of taxpayer’s money and counting, and over 1 million Iraqi lives unrelated to the terrorists or insurgency.
Cost of the Iraq War — http://www.nationalpriorities.org/costofwar_home
4) An ideology that still believes that the Iraq War is the right war on terrorism when the Afghanistan War should had been the right war on terrorism, where Osama Bin Laden actually was until he slipped into the mountains and into Pakistan’s territory now. The Iraq War also diverted our attention away from the Afghanistan War. We now have extended our resources in two separate places and have heightened our risk to our troops, our expenses, and creating another dilemma that will take quite some time to finalize. The Iraq War will not go away overnight and it is now our obligation to see it all the way through for God knows how many more years. This has also been the most unpopular war in the eyes of the world’s communities.
5) An ideology that believes that we are at our safest state since 9/11, when a recent terrorist plot was still trying to enter Great Britain’s airports with liquid explosives heading directly to us, but thankfully the plot was foiled. While in Afghanistan, the terrorists are regrouping and strengthening and we have recently suffered another high casualty to our troops yet again within this past month. We currently have the least amount of alliances in the world’s communities due to this unpopular Iraq War. True national securities are the ties that bind us to our world’s communities and the ties that bind them to us.
6) An ideology that vetted one of the most inexperience VP ticket in history, from foreign policies to national defense. If God forbids that anything happens to this President if elected and is stricken with illness, this VP will be running the country. For a more compelling look at Sarah Palin’s VP readiness, please look at these links below —
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loUHRv3ipLE
http://www.salon.com/opinion/walsh/election_2008/2008/09/30/palin_gaffes/
7) An ideology that believes in “the fundamentals of our economy are strong” while we are facing the highest mortgage foreclosure crisis, high unemployment rate, and the largest collapse of our financial infrastructures since The Great Depression of 1929.
This is an ideology that many of us in America are against. Whether this ideology is in the Republican or Democratic ticket is not the main issue but the fact is that America does not want to fall into another 4 more years of devastation. We cannot afford this anymore.
Oct 21, 2008 - 9:16 am 73. Ed Wallis:I wonder why “Jeff”-the-amazing-Astroturfing-O’bot-TROLL
has started to recycle his long-debunked, senseless posts.
Posts which were at PJM months ago.
Suddenly here yesterday 10:20pm, today 9:16am…?!?
Spraying T R O L L - B E - G O N E on the screen…
Oct 21, 2008 - 9:45 am 74. daniel:I find it fascinating that the media are capable of getting someone -anyone- elected as a messiah, even though his opinions are not shared by the majority of a country.
For me, as a European, these are obvious echoes from the past. I don’t think Americans would vote for a man who has anti-American friends, and for years listened to a racist anti-Semitic priest if the media made it an issue. It’s also scary that the very same people who created the economic crisis -Democrats- are allowed by the media to blame president Bush for it. Obviously Obama is no Hitler, he is near angelic compared to mr moustache man, but the way American democracy is failing is quite similar to the way German democracy failed. There too an outsider/insider was received as a messiah by the masses, while the media refused to ask awkard questions.
Having a mostly leftist (or rightwing) media is a liability, it distorts the democratic process. Again, Obama is no Hitler, I don’t wish to compare these two people, but the process which brought them to power has similarities.
Oct 21, 2008 - 10:08 am 75. Believer:Consider well what “daniel” has written.
It couldn’t be more important for us — at this time in our history — to listen to those who are able to see what’s before us with less jaundiced eyes than we. Less emotion. More wisdom.
Thank you, daniel.
Oct 21, 2008 - 12:43 pm 76. Marc Malone:daniel _ You’re right that the process is similar. Many of us here can see that. The question is simply, are there enough of us?
Oct 21, 2008 - 12:51 pm 77. Patterson:Kudos to Daniel #74
Oct 21, 2008 - 2:02 pm 78. LANYON:Bill and Truthful: You must have been sucking your thumb, sitting in the corner, while Obama was campaigning and “winning” the caucuses.
Jeff: It takes ten years for an economic phase to show results so, count back and get the facts straight.
I hope that all who read this article will advice others that there’s no other choice but to defeat the Democrats in November. If the thought of a Democrat House, Senate, White House, that they can rework our Constitution and restructure the Supreme Court at their will to make the USA a Socialist country like those in Europe, doesn’t make you shake like a leaf or feel like wetting your pants, then you better get ready for the worst years of your life.
Remember these words:
“All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent”.
- Thomas Jefferson
The function of socialism is to raise suffering to a higher level.
-Norman Mailer
“From each, according to his ability; to each, according to his need.”
Oct 21, 2008 - 5:48 pm 79. wpb:-Karl Marx
Jeff:
That must be a record - the exact same post at least 4 times by my count (maybe the editors can drag up the old posts), to four different articles by four different authors… Wow! Any idea when we will see some original thought?
Joe Marshall:
Thanks for responding - looks like Marc Malone said much of what I would have had I responded earlier (and said it better), but I hope your not calling me out as “sanctimonious”. I don’t recall lecturing anyone on values, and even though I am Christian, I don’t use my faith as club on non-Christians.
Oct 21, 2008 - 7:01 pm 80. nick:With respect to Obama’s moral compass, there is a jarring disconnect (for me) between the genial, erudite, church going, God fearing Obama, and the one that two times(?) voted against born alive infant protection act. Even his politically expedient colleagues in the Senate understood where to land on that issue (with the appropriate constitutional protections for legal abortions) I’ll never understand that one. From my perspective it supercedes the golden rule.
I don’t live in fear - but I will have a healthy dose of skepticism until such time as his actions match his words.
you are a lyin moron
a certified, authenticated birth certificate was provided
medical records were released ONLY palin did not release!
College transcripts from Occidental, Columbia, and Harvard
are irrelevant as is Senior thesis written at Columbia
and confidential its the LAW
nothing about Joe is proected information
Oct 21, 2008 - 8:02 pm 81. Philip Adams:Daniel; Very good comments,thank you.Though you did make a few obi’s lose their rag.
The Hitler comparison is fair,you can include Lenin,Stalin,Mao etc using the same techniques.
All of the above were great frauds and that’s why Obama ranks up there with them.
Obama is probably by far the greatest FRAUD put on earth for a long time.
Remember in the earlier days there was no TV and radio was still a baby.The media was mostly newspapers and there was no instant communications like today. News could take weeks to get around the world and of course it was mostly out of date when you read it anyway.One important thing too,in those days there WERE ethical media for the most part in the world.
People did warn about Hitler,Stalin and the rest and true information did get out into the world as a whole. It was still stifled in Germany and Russia and the people there realy had no idea what was going on, both inside their countries and without.
Today we have a media that is stifiling the truth about Obama to an extent that borders on criminality. Foreign media take most of their ‘feeds’ from the worse of the US media and merrily reprint whatever rubbish and lies are pushed their way.Abject laziness for the most on the overseas media who appear never to check anything.
Heaven forbid that O/B wins, but tell me,how are the media going to explain themselves for backing them hook,line and sinker when the country collaspes in a big heap of….
OBAMA IS A FRAUD AND HAS BEEN FROM DAY ONE!
Oct 21, 2008 - 10:46 pm 82. nick:mccain had 4.5 hours to Unstifle the truth
and the PUBLIC was for OBAMA !
they saw the truth
mccain is not suited to be president
Oct 22, 2008 - 8:23 am 83. Philip Adams:does not hav the character
Re: 82 nick
Sorry nick, you are on the wrong site for your hateful drivel.Try NYT or WaPo etc.
Better still!
Take two asprins with a large glass of vodka and call me in the morning.
Oct 22, 2008 - 2:06 pm 84. Jack:Jeff 72
Oct 22, 2008 - 7:59 pm 85. nick:Few facts not quite correct. There were WMD listed in the Dulfur (UN) report, Including chemical and biological. Just last month the final shipment of yellow cake (uranium ore)was sent from Iraq to US, one of many totaling something like 5 to 7 tons. The loud media chanting against Bush overrode any mention of this. Ms Palin has 12 years of executive Govm’t experience, and ran the family business. Obama and Biden do not come close to this record. John McCain does not have that much expeerience either, but has much more command experience than the two Dems. Mr Obama could not obtain a security clearance with his record of associates and drug use. Terrorists in Afganistan are being funded by Iran and supported by outsiders. A lot of them are the foriegn fighters driven out of Iraq. That is the primary escalation of the Afgan war. The Pakistani bomber interviewed this week on national tv, caught in Afganistan before he detonated, said he was one of many Pakistanis recruited and trained in Pakistan by religous leaders there. This is the continuation of the 1000 year religous war against the “non believers”. Find out how “Black Jack” Pershing got his name and some of this will make a little more sense. Bush’s domestic policy has sucked, but McCain wants to change that and shrink the Govm’t as much as possible. I wish him luck and good hunting.
Obama still leads twiddle dum and the 2 times corrupt, book burning twiddle dee
bye
Oct 22, 2008 - 8:18 pm 86. just a American:The late Alinsky, a trench-warfare socialist who despised American capitalism, advised community organizers like Obama to “laugh at the enemy” to provoke “irrational anger.”
Oct 22, 2008 - 10:07 pm 87. Alexia Burton:“Ridicule,” he said, “is man’s most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counterattack ridicule. Also, it infuriates the opposition, who then react to your advantage.”
At another rally in Nevada, Obama called on the crowd of about 1,500 to join him in sharpening their elbows against McCain and his supporters. “I want you to argue with them and get in their faces,” he said, in a naked attempt to “fan hostilities” in the tightening race, something Alinsky also advised from his bag of agitation tricks.
Obama doesn’t look or talk like a radical. He speaks in measured tones and is rarely seen out of business attire. That, too, is borrowed from Alinsky’s playbook. Don’t scare the middle class, he guides urban revolutionaries in his 1970s manual “Rules For Radicals” (which he dedicated to mankind’s “first radical, Lucifer”).
Instead, look like them, talk like them, act like them.
And work for radical change from the inside — “like a spy behind enemy lines,” as Obama said in his first memoir. He wrote it before entering politics, while still working with hard-left Alinsky groups and training street agitators known as “community organizers.”
From: http://www.sodahead.com/blog/16757/how-obama-applies-saul-the-red-alinskys-rules/
How many people think ‘the messiah’ is about 300 years too soon?
Oct 22, 2008 - 11:49 pm 88. Marc Malone:wpb - Thanks for the compliment.
Oct 23, 2008 - 1:09 am 89. Vasio:Gosh, this sounds like a whine fest, without the cheese. For goodness sakes. I can’t believe this discussion. You are talking about who he’s knows or went to the Gym and worked out with? Come now? Tell me about some people McCain knows? Tell me about some people Bush knows? Tell me about some people Clinton knows? Tell me about some people Bush Sr. knows? Tell me about some people Reagan knows? Tell me about some people Nixon knows? Tell me about some people Kennedy knows? Tell me about some people you know? You sound like babies? Oh Obama knows a muslim whine, whine…Oh Obama’s pastor is Gay and don’t like white people…whine, whine. Oh Obamas work out instructer is from Saudi Arabia, whine, whine…Oh Obama grade school teachers name was Ali Babi Bushar…whine, whine…Please get a grip to reality. You actually think that Obama is a member of Taliban/Al Qaeda…really? You think he’s some type of extremist? Come on who started the first extremist group? And who did that group target? And who are current members today? Seriously it’s idiotic to think that America will vote in a president or even have a candidate with ties to Taliban or terrorist…Get a strong grip..Get a G.I. Joe with the kung-fu grip. Idiots.
Oct 23, 2008 - 12:16 pm 90. Vasio:Oh and by the way, I like waffles to and hate to be disturbed when I’m eating.
Oct 23, 2008 - 12:18 pm 91. Margaret George:When its all over do the losing Obamrites get their money back? I am sure the many millions are mostly stashed in a safe place away from prying eyes.
Have Husseins cronies paid their accounts with all the TV and print media outlets that are backing him?
I have to agree with Alexia Burton 87 about it being far too soon for the ‘messiah’, lets make it 500 years though. And that might be too soon!
Oct 23, 2008 - 2:07 pm 92. Vasio:Margaret. How are you? I see that you are blind. But I would like to help you see. I know your fear. I know it’s killing you inside, but are you in a position that you can run for president? Are you in a position to be Mayor..Are you even in a position to be in charge of fries? No pun intended. But you would have to believe that the entire Democratic cabinet is Muslim, because they are backing him too. So help me?
Oct 23, 2008 - 2:20 pm 93. lana sharpeta:Why did it take 1 day for it to come out that Joe the plumber doesnt have a plumbing license, but we cannot get an official birth certificate for Obama. Shouldn”t that be public record?
Oct 23, 2008 - 5:41 pm 94. R Sorenson:It is clear that Obama endorsed and compaigned for his relative Odinga in Kenya. When he lost the election his party, Obama’s tribal affiliation had a royal rotten radical tantrum. It resulted in a 1000 people dead and 800 christian churches damaged or destroyed including one burned to the ground with families in it. Did Obama disavow this group and say this is not the kind communist cousin I thought I knew?
Oct 23, 2008 - 7:50 pm 95. truthful:Not only that but- the reason he doesn’t show his birth certificate is because his actual Full name is Barack Hussein Adolf Ghadafy Attila Richard Simmons Obama, his “protective” vest is actually rigged to explode, the campaign money he collects goes to arming the 10,000 extremists led by Ayers that live in a cave under his house and the working title of his next book is: “Why I hate America- the only place on earth where you can publish two bestselling biographies of yourelf, be the subject of a year’s worth of media attention globally and still have people say they don’t know who you are.”
Oct 24, 2008 - 2:08 pm 96. Glenn:Once again we are faced with picking the lesser of 2 evils in voting to fill the highest office in our land. The American public has been so hosed by politicians that it is ridiculous. Thanks to Bush (the war) and Barney Frank, Dodd, Pelosi, et al including Republicans (who caused the current economic disaster and subsequent Wall Street bail out) the National Debt is beyond belief. Now Obama wants working middle class America to fund his Global Poverty Tax Act of 2007 (S.2433) to the tune of an estimated $845 Million (.7% GNP). The funds will go for foreign aid and will be dispersed by the UN. It has already been passed by the House and is quietly languishing in the Senate until after this election. Never heard of it? Most people haven’t. Please Google it or see this link: http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-global-tax-proposal-up-for-senate-vote/ Why are we working, taxpaying Americans being taken to the cleaners AGAIN to help other countries when we have millions of our OWN people, the poor, disabled, elderly, victims of natural disasters that desperately need our help??? Why isn’t the media telling us about this?
Oct 24, 2008 - 5:50 pm 97. aleta:What about:
Oct 27, 2008 - 3:18 pm 98. The Wide Awake Cafe » America: Going Like a Lamb to the Slaughter?:-Palin’s husband belonging to that organization that wants to leave the Union.
-McCain calling his wife a c___?
-McCain changing his position on many, many issues in the past 8 years?
[...] to nothing about him? Will Americans continue to ignore the warnings many people have given about Obama’s leftist political leanings and his very questionable associations with people who despise this country? Are Americans so naive [...]
Oct 28, 2008 - 10:13 pm 99. steve:This is nice to bs about in here where we read and think but lets see a plan to get this out to the voters we count on to make a difference. I talk to ppl daily and am amazed as much with what average voters don’t know about the process and the candidates period as I am the coverup of obamas closet allies. This is an I,Me, Mine country, everyone wants someone else to think for them and the liberal socialists will gladly do that if we let them. It is hard to fight billionaire liberals that own the media folks. Talk to as many ppl as you can every day.
Oct 29, 2008 - 8:36 am 100. Eric:Its so funny how much everyone is swayed by these blogs. You guys dont realize that Obama has teams of “professional commentators” that sit here and pretend to have switched from Hillary or McCain to his side? Everyone voting for Obama is simply a sheep who fell for a beatifully choreographed Hollywood production.
Baaa Baaaa, Cant wait to laugh at you all when you realize you had no idea who you voted for
Oct 30, 2008 - 1:21 pm 101. BS:Hypothetical:
1)I live next door to you for 10+ years
2)I have been known to associate with a criminal element (you can choose any category of felony you would like)
3) I have been known to associate with individuals that have been known to have set bombs off in the US (you decide who I tried to kill with them…take your own choice)
4) You know the church I belong to for those 10 years breeds hatred of (white and/or black) people.
5) Has a definitive hatred of America and its policies.
6)If you hired me to take care of your $60Million dollars, wouldn’t you take and interest in learning who I am and what I am about? Wouldnt you want to know prior to giving me that kind of cash?
Will you let me watch your kids? Will you come to dinner with me and the wife(provided she is on parole at the time you ask)
Oct 31, 2008 - 11:27 am 102. BS:Would you like me to now RUN THE ENTIRE FREE WORLD?
Do you not want your president to be a man of honesty and integrity? Do you not want to be proud of his/her particular history of service?
Integrity, class, honor and doing the right thing are easy to portray and do when you are speaking with someone face to face in the short term.
It is much harder to live that code through a lifetime when the only one you think is watching is yourself. God is watching.
Oct 31, 2008 - 11:34 am 103. ThereseJDanielsson:Not even a week after the president election the blond topblogger from Sweden, Linda Ekholm speaks out loud about Obama!
And I really believe this is truly written by heart. Scary!
http://www.finest.se/userBlog/?uid=30701&beid=1040511
Nov 10, 2008 - 7:29 pm 104. Mainstream Media: The Propaganda Arm of Big Government:[...] less safe, yet both Bush and Cheney are continuously vilified by the media and the Democrat Party.
May 29, 2009 - 4:57 am 105. dave Parrish:Obama is a leftist who wants to spend other’s money, those who work hard, in taxes first, (This pays for his salary and the other government workers) and then wants to give that money, free to those who are doing so well. this is socialism. Period. It doesn’t prosper a country in the long run because it pads the pockets of government workers and “enables” people who are not “doing well” to just stay there and live off the dole (Of coursed they can vote and they will just keep voting for politicians who will keep the dole a’coming!! The “Spread the Wealth” comment was pure leftist truth that snuck out of his mouth (i.e. No teleprompter was there when he talked to Joe the Plumbmer!!) Remember, another comment he slipped to make (i.e. Truth) was that he did not want his daughters to be punished with a child if they get a unexpected pregnancy. And Obama was outraged over the murder of this one Doctor, which I Do NOT Condone, but no outrage over the unborn babies killed by their mothers and this Dr. in the 3rd Trimester. I think we are lost in a nation that “protects” dumb dogs, not creatures “made in God’s image. I have nothing against dogs except they are dumb. They are not creatures with a Spirit of wonder like human beings have been endowed by GOD!! God did not become a dog to die for dog’s “sins” Wake up America. We are a nation that loves our money, dogs and fat, easy life style more than unborn Human beings. To all that will retire in 10-20, kiss your Social Security goodbye and expect to wait 10 years for “medical care” if this dumb promise of Government Healthcare that is passed… Why, because we, as a nation have aborted 30 million?? or more US citizens, that never made it out of the womb, to be raised to work hard and prosper here. No we killed them and imported illegal, Yes, Illegal aliens to come in do the menial work, that yes, we should have let our “potential” kids do, to start at lower jobs and work themselves up. I am in the Medical field and I see what a huge amount of recent immigrants both legal and illegal are doing in demanding free social services, yet they have not contributed much into our system. America, we are gone!! If you are not born again, saved by Faith in Jesus Christ, you have no hope. I would recomment you open your heart and admit you are a sinner and turn to Him and be saved. For we are entering the most dire of times. This artificial prosperity program that first gave easy money to the sub-prime mortgage people and now we are flash firing into the economy with easy, borrowed money and then all these social programs to tax hard working Americans to death… These programs will not work… It is the end of the great country…. Look up, those saved for our Redemption draweth Nigh. Glory, honor and praise to the Lamb of God, Jesus Christ who will soon be coming to set the world right. Best to surrender your heart NOW to Him and not later. Take Care of your heart!! D.P
Jun 10, 2009 - 7:44 pm