Comments on: Mahmoud Abbas: The Luckiest Man in the Levant http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/mahmoud-abbas-the-luckiest-man-in-the-levant/ Sun, 21 Mar 2010 14:31:51 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: dougf http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/mahmoud-abbas-the-luckiest-man-in-the-levant/comment-page-1/#comment-383235 dougf Wed, 26 Aug 2009 23:26:48 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=65125#comment-383235 I don't care about the Big Picture in this situation. As EVERYONE sees very clearly the political solution is decades off. If ever. But as Free Quark relates prosperity or at the least a much improved lifestyle, is not conducive to the murderous radicalism of Hamas. If you have a job and can start a VIABLE business without having to bribe every Fatah man in sight, you are ispo facto MUCH less interested in having your neighbor drop by to bulldoze your house because it was used to house terrorists. Peace may in fact come in increments as small as more young men having money in their pockets for a Friday/Saturday Night. If all Abbas does is basically nothing at all either positive or negative except for encouraging movement like this, he will have done a good thing. More jobs,more money,more security,less corruption ---- it's ALL <i> a good thing</i>. best story I have read about that sink-hole for many a year. More ---- Faster. I don’t care about the Big Picture in this situation. As EVERYONE sees very clearly the political solution is decades off. If ever.

But as Free Quark relates prosperity or at the least a much improved lifestyle, is not conducive to the murderous radicalism of Hamas. If you have a job and can start a VIABLE business without having to bribe every Fatah man in sight, you are ispo facto MUCH less interested in having your neighbor drop by to bulldoze your house because it was used to house terrorists. Peace may in fact come in increments as small as more young men having money in their pockets for a Friday/Saturday Night. If all Abbas does is basically nothing at all either positive or negative except for encouraging movement like this, he will have done a good thing.

More jobs,more money,more security,less corruption —- it’s ALL a good thing. best story I have read about that sink-hole for many a year.

More —- Faster.

]]> By: David W. Lincoln http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/mahmoud-abbas-the-luckiest-man-in-the-levant/comment-page-1/#comment-383038 David W. Lincoln Wed, 26 Aug 2009 19:40:24 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=65125#comment-383038 5. Larsen E. Whipsnade, answer me this: what drives a Nonie Darwish, or a Wafa Sultan, a Bat Yeor, and all those who conclude they are being cheated by the likes of Nasrallah? There are Arabs who do not hold the Jewishness of Jews against Jews. 5. Larsen E. Whipsnade, answer me this: what drives
a Nonie Darwish, or a Wafa Sultan, a Bat Yeor, and all those who conclude they are being cheated by the likes of Nasrallah?

There are Arabs who do not hold the Jewishness of Jews against Jews.

]]> By: Free Quark http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/mahmoud-abbas-the-luckiest-man-in-the-levant/comment-page-1/#comment-382987 Free Quark Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:42:00 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=65125#comment-382987 Well, that's good that the economy is improving. Maybe then the Palies will be less interested in provoking their neighbor to destroy what they've built. Well, that’s good that the economy is improving. Maybe then the Palies will be less interested in provoking their neighbor to destroy what they’ve built.

]]> By: Larsen E. Whipsnade http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/mahmoud-abbas-the-luckiest-man-in-the-levant/comment-page-1/#comment-382872 Larsen E. Whipsnade Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:47:42 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=65125#comment-382872 2. Jack Okie: "Perhaps the original vision of the Zionists where Jews and Arabs share the land can come true after all." That particular Zionist vison only works when the Holy Land is a "no-man's land". If it becomes a Jewish land or a Muslim land, then the chafing starts. These days, no sensible Jew wants to live with Muslim-controlled roads, water, schools, swimming pools, police, judges, and internet. And vice versa. All of the above are now controlled by one side or the other, and neither side will ever accept control by the other. The days of a hippie-style "no-man's land" where Jews & Muslims can live peacefully side-by-side are gone forever. 2. Jack Okie: “Perhaps the original vision of the Zionists where Jews and Arabs share the land can come true after all.”

That particular Zionist vison only works when the Holy Land is a “no-man’s land”. If it becomes a Jewish land or a Muslim land, then the chafing starts. These days, no sensible Jew wants to live with Muslim-controlled roads, water, schools, swimming pools, police, judges, and internet. And vice versa. All of the above are now controlled by one side or the other, and neither side will ever accept control by the other. The days of a hippie-style “no-man’s land” where Jews & Muslims can live peacefully side-by-side are gone forever.

]]> By: David W. Lincoln http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/mahmoud-abbas-the-luckiest-man-in-the-levant/comment-page-1/#comment-382860 David W. Lincoln Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:36:21 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=65125#comment-382860 Nonetheless, those who see property rights for all in Arab lands, they continue to be targets of those who defend the status quo, in those benighted lands, most vociferously. Nonetheless, those who see property rights for all in Arab lands, they continue to be targets of those who defend the status quo, in those benighted lands, most vociferously.

]]> By: Raymond in DC http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/mahmoud-abbas-the-luckiest-man-in-the-levant/comment-page-1/#comment-382721 Raymond in DC Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:37:12 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=65125#comment-382721 Jack, your posting requires a few correctives. It was indeed under the Israeli "occupation" that from 1967-1987 the lot of the residents of Gaza and the West Bank improved year by year: construction of roads, schools (including colleges), medical clinics and hospitals, water and sewage systems, electrification and the lot. Child mortality went down, life expectancy went up. Agricultural output and average incomes went up dramatically. Over 100,000 Palestinians worked in Israel. Then came the first intifada in '87 and things started to stumble. Left wingers - with Beilin and Peres in the lead - decided to reach out to Arafat. It was they who decided to bring that Egyptian-born Palestinian into the territories along with a few thousand of his Tunisian thugs. Clinton just put his seal of approval to that lunacy. It was only after the post-Oslo terror that the checkpoints first went up and many of the gains of previous decades put at risk, and it was the post 2000 restrictions brought on by waves of terror that destroyed much that had been accomplished. Jack, your posting requires a few correctives. It was indeed under the Israeli “occupation” that from 1967-1987 the lot of the residents of Gaza and the West Bank improved year by year: construction of roads, schools (including colleges), medical clinics and hospitals, water and sewage systems, electrification and the lot. Child mortality went down, life expectancy went up. Agricultural output and average incomes went up dramatically. Over 100,000 Palestinians worked in Israel.

Then came the first intifada in ‘87 and things started to stumble. Left wingers – with Beilin and Peres in the lead – decided to reach out to Arafat. It was they who decided to bring that Egyptian-born Palestinian into the territories along with a few thousand of his Tunisian thugs. Clinton just put his seal of approval to that lunacy. It was only after the post-Oslo terror that the checkpoints first went up and many of the gains of previous decades put at risk, and it was the post 2000 restrictions brought on by waves of terror that destroyed much that had been accomplished.

]]> By: Jack Okie http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/mahmoud-abbas-the-luckiest-man-in-the-levant/comment-page-1/#comment-382645 Jack Okie Wed, 26 Aug 2009 13:11:48 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=65125#comment-382645 As I recall, the Palestinians in the West Bank were gradually improving their lot until Bill Clinton summoned Arafat from exile in Tunisia (a move for which I have never seen a rational explanation). It seems to me that the more prosperous the West Bank becomes, the more resistant to radicalism the population becomes. Perhaps the original vision of the Zionists where Jews and Arabs share the land can come true after all. As for Sharon, nothing in his past indicates that the withdrawal from Gaza was anything but a strategic move. His death prevents us from seeing his plan play out, but I am convinced he had a good one. As I recall, the Palestinians in the West Bank were gradually improving their lot until Bill Clinton summoned Arafat from exile in Tunisia (a move for which I have never seen a rational explanation). It seems to me that the more prosperous the West Bank becomes, the more resistant to radicalism the population becomes. Perhaps the original vision of the Zionists where Jews and Arabs share the land can come true after all.

As for Sharon, nothing in his past indicates that the withdrawal from Gaza was anything but a strategic move. His death prevents us from seeing his plan play out, but I am convinced he had a good one.

]]> By: Adina Kutnicki,Israel http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/mahmoud-abbas-the-luckiest-man-in-the-levant/comment-page-1/#comment-382572 Adina Kutnicki,Israel Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:53:30 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=65125#comment-382572 When one can gain EVERYTHING in exchange for NOTHING, isn't said person considered the lucky one? Of course. While Netanyahu froze ALL Jewish construction in the heartland of Judea and Samaria since his election, he inexplicably eased life for the PA Arabs.Whose PM is he anyway? Rest assured, despite his tough talk bluster, patriotic nationalist can't even add a porch onto their houses, as they are the ones given the shaft. On the other hand,the genocidal PA populace who name schools, streets, cultural centers etc after murderous Jew killers are reaping economic whirlwinds, courtesy of Israel's mushy and squishy leadership. People have the mistaken impression that a right wing Israeli leadership is the enemy of our tormentors. Not at all. It is under right wing leadership that the Jewish patriots must remain hyper vigilant, as they get lulled into complacency believing that all is well within their right leaning government. After all, it was under Sharon that 10,000 Jews were expelled from their legal homes, their land gifted to Gazans. No one should dare be surprised if Netanyahu pulls a Sharon with Judea & Samaria, on a larger scale than his Wye capitulation. Forewarned is forearmed. When one can gain EVERYTHING in exchange for NOTHING, isn’t said person considered the lucky one? Of course.

While Netanyahu froze ALL Jewish construction in the heartland of Judea and Samaria since his election, he inexplicably eased life for the PA Arabs.Whose PM is he anyway?

Rest assured, despite his tough talk bluster, patriotic nationalist can’t even add a porch onto their houses, as they are the ones given the shaft. On the other hand,the genocidal PA populace who name schools, streets, cultural centers etc after murderous Jew killers are reaping economic whirlwinds, courtesy of Israel’s mushy and squishy leadership.

People have the mistaken impression that a right wing Israeli leadership is the enemy of our tormentors. Not at all. It is under right wing leadership that the Jewish patriots must remain hyper vigilant, as they get lulled into complacency believing that all is well within their right leaning government.

After all, it was under Sharon that 10,000 Jews were expelled from their legal homes, their land gifted to Gazans.

No one should dare be surprised if Netanyahu pulls a Sharon with Judea & Samaria, on a larger scale than his Wye capitulation.

Forewarned is forearmed.

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