Maine Fines Group for ‘Inflammatory Anti-Muslim Message’
The Christian Action Network runs afoul of bureaucratic political correctness.
CAN responds that they made all efforts to comply with state law and promptly provided additional information requested by Thibodeau’s office. And they provided Pajamas Media with documentation that seems to flatly contradict the State of Maine’s allegations. While Thibodeau’s letter claims that CAN’s charitable solicitation license expired in November 2007, CAN produced copies of canceled checks cashed by the Maine state treasurer that accompanied their 2008 renewal and registration.
Nothing in what the state has sent to CAN indicates that 2008 registration was in any way defective (or even mentions it), which creates problems for the state’s position, for if the previous year’s registration was in order, and CAN claims to have received nothing to indicate otherwise, their fundraising mailing would have fallen within the 90-day renewal period when the mailing was sent. The state’s claim that their 2009 registration was out of order and that they were fundraising without a license would therefore be moot as the mailing was sent prior to the renewal period’s expiration.
In support of their position that CAN was not properly registered this past April, Thibodeau’s office claims that several pages of CAN’s annual audit were not properly transmitted with their application and notified them of the error by email on April 6. Her letter acknowledges that they received the missing pages on April 21, postmarked on April 13. This constitutes the grounds for the state’s $1,000 fine. Thibodeau confirmed that the state doesn’t send out any official notice that an organization’s application has been approved.
“They have created a black box registration process where if they don’t like what you’re saying, they will go back through your application and determine that your application wasn’t correct, and suddenly you’re violating the law,” Mawyer said. “That’s what we believe has happened in this case.”
Perhaps more troubling for free speech advocates is the state’s claim that CAN needed the governor’s permission in order to use his name on the petition that the group urged supporters to send to him:
8. Governor John Baldacci did not give written consent, or any other consent, to the Christian Action Network to use his name for the purpose of soliciting contributions.
This was the stated basis for assessing the heavier $3,000 fine. Thibodeau’s letter and the consent agreement also allege that the use of Baldacci’s name was intended to suggest his endorsement of CAN. But Mawyer notes that the U.S. Postal Service examines all of their fundraising solicitations, including looking for any implied endorsements, before they are mailed.
“It would be a violation of federal law for us to make any false representation concerning any endorsements, which is one reason why we submit all of our fundraising letters to the Post Office for their approval prior to anything being sent out under our non-profit mailing permit, as was the case with this fundraising package,” Mawyer said. “We have had the Post Office reject packages in the past, and we have rewritten them to get their go-ahead. Now Maine is telling us in essence that even if we get federal approval beforehand, the state retains the right to reject their interpretation and impose their own standard if they disagree with the content of your mailing.”
It is particularly telling that while the state claims that CAN implied the governor’s endorsement, they did not assess any fines based on this allegation, perhaps with the problem of the Postal Service’s prior approval of the CAN mailing in view. But the free speech chilling effect from Maine could be enormous as their interpretation of state law could virtually outlaw any issue mentioning government officials without obtaining their prior written consent. As Mawyer observes, “Imagine not being able to criticize a public official without their express written permission or without any reference to them whatsoever.”
One important outstanding issue following the rounds of correspondence between Pajamas Media and Thibodeau concerns a public complaint received by her office about the content of CAN’s mailing cited in her May 6 letter. Her letter gives specific dates on all other matters except this one. Mawyer’s concern is that the complaint may have not only preceded the state’s notification of the missing pages to the application, but also their decision to consider CAN’s solicitation license invalid. I specifically asked twice on what date the complaint was received and Thibodeau refused to address the question both times.
“There’s little doubt that our documentary on Islamic terrorist camps operating inside the U.S. and our statements of concern about the spread of radical Islam is at the heart of the state’s actions. And we can’t help but conclude based on the available evidence that if we were ACORN, or any other group advocating some left-wing cause, they would be using a less-than-rigorous scrutiny in their interpretation of the law,” Mawyer said. “Would they ever dare consider applying these standards to CAIR [the Council on American-Islamic Relations]?”
CAN is appealing the fines issued by the State of Maine and is also considering a lawsuit to prevent bureaucrats from using rulings after the fact to go after charitable organizations running afoul of political correctness. If Maine were to prevail in this case, they fear that it would not only be used by groups like CAIR to attempt to discredit CAN’s investigative work, but also be an invitation for Maine and other states to use bureaucratic interpretations to go after other organizations making similar “inflammatory anti-Muslim messages.”
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1. Evil Pundit:What happened to the First Amendment?
Jun 25, 2009 - 2:59 am 2. Tom Perkins:I can believe this would happen in Canada or the UK, but such terribly blatant violations of the principles behind the 1st amend. are difficult to credit.
Can you link to an image of the offending documents?
I simply cannot believe any one would be stupid enough to think “reason” 5 would hold water.
Yours, TDP, ml, msl, & pfpp
Jun 25, 2009 - 3:19 am 3. canuck:Sounds like they should skip the intermediate steps unless they are a requirement to file suit against the State and Thibideau…unless of course they are not allowed to mention her name without her permission.
In such suits they should prevail and with a counter suit win their legal costs….and get a huge fund raising boost. This should remind us all of the creep of the “Human Rights Commissions” of Canada and their use by Muslims to harass citizens and suppress not just opinion but clear facts.
Throughout this process they should be able to require disclosure of the complaint that led to this nonsense and in turn target the complainer.
Jun 25, 2009 - 3:32 am 4. Highlander:This sounds very much like the work of the Human Rights Commissions in Canada.
Jun 25, 2009 - 3:48 am 5. Meryl:Remember that in the 2008 campaign, publishing the truth about Soetero’s personal history and plans for the nation was described as a smear.
And publishing the truth about Islam is now defined as hate speech.
When the truth about Islam portrays how hateful and murderous Islam is, I would say we are going to have a major, public collision between political correctness and freedom of speech.
Jun 25, 2009 - 4:15 am 6. Lawler:You are welcome in my house but I will not allow you to impose your agenda on my life. No matter what our dim-witted president says the United States is not a Muslim nation.
Jun 25, 2009 - 4:36 am 7. pappy:this is just another attack on free speech, and surely an attempt to quiet the christian veiwpoint by making everything “hate speech”. political corruptness gone wild.
Jun 25, 2009 - 4:50 am 8. Byron Dickens:What would happen if CAN just told the Satate of Maine to go pound sand?
Jun 25, 2009 - 5:03 am 9. Brutus:To those not familiar with New England, Massachusetts has acted as some sort of virulent plague infecting the neighboring states with their socialist pox. Maine has always been the independent, blue collar part of NE, but the diaspora of Massholes (as the rest of NE describes the denizens of the People’s Republic of MA) to points north has infected the politics of Maine and New Hampshire to the extent that they’re barely recognizable as the places they were 20 years ago.
The last flinty, self-reliant Yankee has left the building…
Jun 25, 2009 - 5:44 am 10. Paul -Indiana:The ‘religion of peace’ should turn the other cheek…or the other mullah…or maybe the other child bride.
Islam is a joke.
Jun 25, 2009 - 5:53 am 11. Tomp:Reply to state of Maine and Elaine Thibodeau : F.U.
Jun 25, 2009 - 5:55 am 12. Another Chuck:The Caliphate of Maine…It’s the usual mixture of noisy pressure groups, bossy bureaucrats, political lifers and we the sheeple.
Jun 25, 2009 - 5:59 am 13. ddc:Looking over the state of our Republic in 2009, I don’t see much to celebrate this 4th, so I’m not.
Political correctness falling all over itself
Jun 25, 2009 - 6:09 am 14. Bad Karma:It’s called the “sharia creep” and it’s coming to a town near you. This is the mainstay in the UK and Canada, as well as several other countries. Don’t think it can happen in the U.S.? Well I bet you never thought the government would be running so many private companies either in addition to all the other “didn’t think it would happen” items since January. It’s a very simple plan, use the freedoms accorded to the citizens against them.
Jun 25, 2009 - 6:17 am 15. Gary Rumain:Its amazes me what arselifters get away with.
Jun 25, 2009 - 6:56 am 16. asdf:I find it funny they will go after scientology but not islam. Scientology wants your money islam wants your life. Death cults should be challanged.
Jun 25, 2009 - 7:05 am 17. Ms. Attitude:Why are the politicians in this country pampering Islam? Do they not understand it? Sure, there are some Muslims who are Muslims by birth or as a way to belong (You know, like the people who say they are Catholic but not Christians)and then there’s the radical Islamist movement…it’s political and wants to rid the world of everyone but Muslims.
Jun 25, 2009 - 7:08 am 18. Self-hating Boomer:Of course, the ACLU is going to take this case…on behalf of the State of Maine.
Jun 25, 2009 - 7:34 am 19. Sapwolf:Told you we were being ruled by theocrats: Secular Ones.
Jun 25, 2009 - 7:47 am 20. Brian Richard Allen:How quaint that the United States Constitution and its various Amendments should be remembered by any alive now — and even notwithstanding that the very perusing of these threads indicates a marked level of intelligence — or that he’s a trolling Obambi Brownshirt!
For our Constitution to all intents and purposes was long ago stripped naked of its meaning and our nations laws reduced to being but the ever changing interpretations of their own brainfarts and bowel burblings by failed American Criminals’ Lawyers’ Unionistas’ consiglieres and by the kind of morons who believe the intellectual and moral integrity of those effectively blinded by the distorting lenses of their own self-and-skin and genitalia-loathing to be superior to the reasoning of those who invented airplanes and computers and who put man on the moon and Tonka Toys on Mars. And by other rule-by-fiat “Democratic” party activists.
Such has been the impact of the full frontal assault upon our beloved fraternal republic’s Founding Law, as such is enumerated in that once revered parchment, begun by its first major betrayer, Abe Lincoln, continued by such of the “progressives” as T Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson — and — but for the last couple of skirmishes and the mopping up, being hurried by the Obambi Fascists into what does that obscene gang for “law” — essentially concluded by he of the so richly-Soviet-agent-larded “administration:” the traitor, F D Roosevelt.
The First Amendment? Isn’t that the one that says to the effect that neither the feral nor any other gummint may prevent the noted “Democratic” potty luminescence and FBI-Files standover and shakedown thug, Larry Flynt, from baring babes bottoms and other naughty bits to the world?
Brian Richard Allen
Jun 25, 2009 - 7:55 am 21. Mark in Dayton:Los Angeles Califobambicated 90028
And the Far Abroad
Deal first – and harshly – with the traitors to the Constitution, then the enmey.
Jun 25, 2009 - 8:02 am 22. Mongoose:The Left will use Islam to attack Western Civilization.
They hate it. They hate us.
We are the enemy to them, not the people that knocked down the WTC.
What could be clearer.
People said that what has happened in the EU cannot happen are. They were wrong.
Jun 25, 2009 - 8:04 am 23. Scott:Why do we keep using “radical” Islam when referring to it? If you’re doing that you’re still guilty of the equating these people to “fundamentalist” Christians or “orthodox” Jews and you’re very wrong.
Sorry folks the so called “radical” Muslims are not the exception, they’re the rule. Otherwise we wouldn’t have Europe being Islamicized, they would integrate into the societies & culture that they immigrated to just like Catholic, Protestant, Buddhist, Jewish, or Hindu immigrants have done in the past.
Note the vast silence on (or even celebrations of) Muslim atrocities, yet a cartoon can spark world wide riots and demonstrations.
Jun 25, 2009 - 8:18 am 24. seven:Isn’t the State of Maine doing all of the things they accuse CAN of? They are showing hate to CAN. THey are making inflammatory accusations. They are trying to stop rund raising etc. Maine showed be punished for attacking Christians.
Jun 25, 2009 - 8:33 am 25. Bob Smith:What is the left trying to hide? Islam – the death cult.
Jun 25, 2009 - 8:38 am 26. rickb308:Attention The State (for now. Until we can figure how to kick your *sses out) of Maine:
KMFA.
FU. I’m from Texas
Jun 25, 2009 - 9:12 am 27. John Shade:More attempts by left wing nut-jobs trying to push their hatred of America as we know it.
FU islam, FU muhmamed the child raper, and FU to all the rest.
Jun 25, 2009 - 9:34 am 28. pst314:“What happened to the First Amendment?”
They are abrogated by the “penumbras” and “emanations” of the Constitution that require the imposition of Stalinist thought control. /contempt and derision
Jun 25, 2009 - 9:36 am 29. pst314:Uhhhhh, “It is abrogated…”
Jun 25, 2009 - 9:38 am 30. "progressive"watch:There’s seems to have be a certain late Homeland Security person in Britian who had the same Stalinistic atttitude as Maine’s Thibodeau. It will blow up in her face. She is helping CAN by being such a ideologue and Stalinistic fool.
Jun 25, 2009 - 9:40 am 31. kael:Mindless political correctness. This kind of garbage must end. Maine needs to drop the fine, or it will do some very serious damage, not to CAN, but to the nation.
Jun 25, 2009 - 10:07 am 32. deguello:The message for Christians is clear:If you want free speech,engage in terrorism against your opponents,and libtardPC Stalinists,will “repect” you. Put out a Chritian version of a a FATWA against the Maine thugs,and watch them bend over backwards to guarantee your free speech rights.
Jun 25, 2009 - 10:34 am 33. Pee Wee Herman, Community Organizer:C’mon, ACLU. I double-dog dare you.
Jun 25, 2009 - 10:54 am 34. SwampKid:Time to stop being “shocked, shocked” that bureaucrats are control freaks. Get ACTIVE with lawyers, petitions, letter writing campaigns, public protests, and sue, Sue, SUE them in every way possible to take back our Liberty.
Jun 25, 2009 - 11:10 am 35. Drakken:Form groups to study the problem and construct innovative approaches. Test the techniques, refine them, publicize the failures and the successes. That’s what the leftist organizations have done here and abroad.
My response would be very clear to these rabble in the commi state of Maine,,, Get Bloody Stuffed! and dare them to come for the fine, and letem have it in spades!
Jun 25, 2009 - 11:30 am 36. Mike:I think the driving force behind this fine was Senator Susan Collins (D-ME)
United States Senator from Maine
Chairwoman of the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Collins
Outreach to the Arab-American, Muslim-American, and Sikh-American Communities
The Office for Civil Rights and Civil Liberties is committed to engaging with Arab-American, Muslim-American, Sikh-American and other ethnic and religious communities. These communities are critical to America’s future, and we are convinced that we cannot do an effective job in homeland security without actively and fully connecting with these communities
http://www.dhs.gov/xabout/structure/editorial_0623.shtm
The OCRCL is a deparmtent within the DHS of which Senator Susan Collins is Chairwoman of the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.
Jun 25, 2009 - 11:37 am 37. wb:I have worked at a muslim owned company that had family members working there who were wanted by the Israeli govt on terror charges. In many cases the american govt will not extradite these people back. Money talks in america and this administration is owned by them lock, stock, and barrel. Good luck going to court on this one, the feds runs the court system and will allow nothing to interfere with their love fest of Islam. Americans will soon be shocked to wake up and discover that Muslims, like pedophiles, will be the new protected classes in america.
Jun 25, 2009 - 11:45 am 38. David Levavi:Seems the the dihimmitude of the administration and the State Department in their foreign policy is infecting local government. I thought this sort of thing only happened in Canada.
Anybody have an address to which this Jewish son of pigs and monkeys can send a check to Christian action Network?
Jun 25, 2009 - 12:01 pm 39. Anneke:A perfect example of why bureaucrats should not be allowed to run the country. Good little apparatchik that she is, Ms. Thibodeau decided to make the rules up as she went along. This is not unlike the case of Helen Jones-Kelly, the Public Administrator in Ohio, who decided to investigate Joe the Plumber’s personal life without cause. If Congress passes a Hate Crimes Act (http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/06/25/holder.hate.crimes/) expect more of this rogue behavior.
Perhaps some journalist in Maine can do a little digging to find out how many Muslim family members Ms. Thibodeau has? Indeed, is Ms. Thibodeau herself a Muslima?
Imagine yourself a two years from now after Obamacare is enacted. If you say, do, or write about anything that some appratchik can even remotely interpret as “hate” will the health care bureacracy be able to deny you a needed medical procedure or a crucial live-saving drug because you don’t conform?
Jun 25, 2009 - 12:24 pm 40. Dean wormer:Didn’t this just play out in Canada? Aside fromt he relgulatory sisues, where does Main get off telling anyone ti has the right to second-guess their speech?
Mark Steyn–we need you in Main now!
Jun 25, 2009 - 12:28 pm 41. Bill Jenkins:I think everyone should understand the five pillars of Islam so I’m going to go ahead and put them here:
1. Kill Jews
Jun 25, 2009 - 12:42 pm 42. PRCS:2. Kill Christians
3. Kill Hindus
4. Kill Buddhists
5. Kill all other non-muslims
Scott is correct.
*Can anyone using the phrase ‘radical Islam’ explain what they think that means?
The Qur’an–Chapter 5 Verse 38: As to the thief, male or female, cut off their hands. A divine punishment from Allah. And Allah is exalted.
A Somali Muslim had one of his hands amputated recently, for petty theft. Now, how is such an amputation of a Muslim’s hand–by fellow Muslims–radical.
*Or how about the phrase ‘Muslim extremists’. Or the nonsensical belief that ‘Islam is a religion of peace that has been hijacked by a tiny minority of extremists’. If Islam really were a ‘religion of peace’, wouldn’t Muslim extremists be extremely peaceful?
Ibn Abbaas said : The Messenger of Allah said, “Whoever changes his (Islamic) religion, kill him.” Al-Bukhary (number 6922)
Three years ago, Muslim fundamentalists in the Muslim Republic of Afghanistan demanded the murder of a man who converted from Islam to Christianity. President Karzai had to intervene.
Islam teaches the same things in Kabul as it does in Kansas City. The difference is that we do not live under Islamic law here. Yet. And be assured, many of our Muslim neighbors right here in ‘the Great Satan’ anxiously await the gleeful day our Constitution and relevant laws are replaced with the Shari’a.
Wake up America. Islam is not a religion. It is a complete way of life in which religion is but one part; a complete way of life in which noe separation of mosque and state exists; a complete way of life which teachings are antithetical to the West’s notions of democracy and individual rights. Islam is incompatible with the U.S. Constitution.
Prove me wrong.
Jun 25, 2009 - 12:56 pm 43. Larry:I wonder is the recently released movie The Stoning of Soraya M. will be considered offensive?
Jun 25, 2009 - 1:30 pm 44. Larry:I wonder if the recently released movie The Stoning of Soraya M. will be considered offensive?
Jun 25, 2009 - 1:32 pm 45. PatriotUSA:“CAN is appealing the fines issued by the State of Maine and is also considering a lawsuit to prevent bureaucrats from using rulings after the fact to go after charitable organizations running afoul of political correctness. If Maine were to prevail in this case, they fear that it would not only be used by groups like CAIR to attempt to discredit CAN’s investigative work, but also be an invitation for Maine and other states to use bureaucratic interpretations to go after other organizations making similar “inflammatory anti-Muslim messages.”
Welcome to world ot Islam, islamofacism, and stealth jihad. Any doubts about Islamic agenda? Please read “Stealth Jihad” by Robert Spencer of Jihad Watch, go to his webiste Jihadwatch. org and educate yourselves.
We are HATED by Isaam and the bastards from the
Jun 25, 2009 - 1:34 pm 46. cackcon:left that will sell their souls to Islam and Islamofacism to further their gains,strengthen their grasp of this country, for ultimate control. The left is so STUPID, Islam will smite their heads off as qucikly as anyone else’s. Islam will use any and every tool to their advantage and circumvent our laws in doing so. Islam is our enemey, plain and simple.
As is the leftist morons who want to open every greeting with “comrade.”
All I know is, I hope the author of this article got permission from the State of Maine and at least three prominent sheikhs, or else he too will be a target of Maine’s jihad.
Jun 25, 2009 - 1:45 pm 47. calcrusader:Apparently our Muslim president wants to squelch all criticism of him and his ilk. c
Jun 25, 2009 - 1:55 pm 48. PersonifiedTruth:The mailings only partially true. The Christian extremists conveniently neglected to mention that the CA public school curriculum for 7th graders also includes:
Students relate the moral and ethical principles in ancient Greek and Roman philosophy, in Judaism, and in Christianity to the development of Western political thought.
1. Analyze the similarities and differences in Judeo-Christian and Greco-Roman views of law, reason and faith, and duties of the individual.
2. Trace the development of the Western political ideas of the rule of law and illegitimacy of tyranny, using selections from Plato’s Republic and Aristotle’s Politics.
3. Consider the influence of the U.S. Constitution on political systems in the contemporary world.
10.2 Students compare and contrast
Students analyze the geographic, political, economic, religious, and social structures during the development of Rome.
1. Identify the location and describe the rise of the Roman Republic, including the importance of such mythical and historical figures as Aeneas, Romulus and Remus, Cincinnatus, Julius Caesar, and Cicero.
2. Describe the government of the Roman Republic and its significance (e.g., written constitution and tripartite government, checks and balances, civic duty).
3. Identify the location of and the political and geographic reasons for the growth of Roman territories and expansion of the empire, including how the empire fostered economic growth through the use of currency and trade routes.
4. Discuss the influence of Julius Caesar and Augustus in Rome’s transition from republic to empire.
5. Trace the migration of Jews around the Mediterranean region and the effects of their conflict with the Romans, including the Romans’ restrictions on their right to live in Jerusalem.
6. Note the origins of Christianity in the Jewish Messianic prophecies, the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth as described in the New Testament, and the contribution of St. Paul the Apostle to the definition and spread of Christian beliefs (e.g., belief in the Trinity, resurrection, salvation).
7. Describe the circumstances that led to the spread of Christianity in Europe and other Roman territories.
7th graders also study Buddhism, but the Christian extremists apparently have no objection to that.
This is why I’m atheist. ALL of you sky-wizard worshipers suck, no matter which one you bow down to.
Jun 25, 2009 - 2:08 pm 49. Thomas L......:Well, Maine does border Canada. Calling Mark Steyn!
Jun 25, 2009 - 2:24 pm 50. johngaltrules:Personified Youth – All you self-worshippers are just sooooo much better and smarter, eh?
Ive got a message for these groups who get fined by buraecrats. REFUSE TO PAY THE FINE. There is a CONSTITUTION out there and NOTHING in it protects ISLAMIC FILTH TRASH.Obamamoslem scum wants “cap and trade”-too bad boys, I wont pay the tax. Its about time America, we start showing some CHARACTER and FIGHTING BACK. ISLAM wants to run the world, ALGORE the commie pig wants to become a billionaire thru cap and trade, and we are more worried about American Idol and Jon and Kate(who cares?). If we wont stand up soon, you will end up paying taxes for keeping your home at 60F, for daring to have an incandescent light bulb or for drinking some puerto rican rum islam doesnt approve of. Im personally stocking up on ammo first.
Jun 25, 2009 - 2:28 pm 51. johngaltrules:#23 Scott is correct-ISLAM is the problem not “radical” Islam. Members of the SAUDI ROYAL FAMILY have been protecting Bin Laden and Al Queda for the last decade. Meanwhile, the COMMUNIST enemy within uses ISLAM to undermine anything not conforming with there ideology. By the way commie filth pigs-ISLAM DOESNT LIKE YOU EITHER, ISLAM EVEN HATES THEMSELVES. We are at war with BOTH communists and Islam, too bad many LAZY americans dont want to know about it, it upsets the chinaware, and it might lead to the cancellation of American Idol. Well fools, Simon wont be saying much with either the commies or the ayatollahs in charge. Wake up fools, b4 you have nothing left.
Jun 25, 2009 - 2:36 pm 52. PersonifiedTruth:#49 You don’t see non-believers fighting each other over who has the better imaginary friend.
Jun 25, 2009 - 2:45 pm 53. Strawman:ACLU, how ’bout at least an amicus brief? I mean you are on the side of free speech, huh?
Jun 25, 2009 - 3:03 pm 54. lefroy:It’s not exactly clear from this article what the legal basis of the “fine” is. But it seems that it’s a penalty notice of some kind for breaching some law about the solicitation of donations, and one of the things you’re not allowed to do is use “hate speech”.
Penalty notices – you pay up, admit the offence, and that’s the end of it – are fine for things like speeding or parking offences. It’s bizarre that they can be issued for alleged violations of laws relating to fundraising, especially where one of the bases for the offence is someone’s idea of “hate speech”.
Does the state of Maine really think they can get away with this?
How can a law that says you must not, when soliciting, use “hate speech” (subjectively assessed by some bureaucrat) stand against the 1st amendment? Or is the US going down the PC toilet as well?
Jun 25, 2009 - 3:06 pm 55. Cybergeezer:Islam=cancer;
Jun 25, 2009 - 3:07 pm 56. lefroy:#52 PersonifiedTruth: “You don’t see non-believers fighting each other over who has the better imaginary friend.”
Oh yes you do, PersonifiedTruth. Take your pick of imaginary friends from the following list:
Global Warming caused by anthropogenic CO2
The oppression of minorities in countries (like the anglophone democracies) that guarantee and protect minority rights like nowhere else in the world
GM crops running riot and killing off all life on the planet
The irremediable evil of capitalism
(The list goes on)
Do you subscribe to any or all of these quasi-faiths, and call yourself a non-believer? Just wondering.
Jun 25, 2009 - 3:22 pm 57. Ordinary Guy:There is an easy way to identify one of the Islam ilk . . .no, it isn’t the way they dress, it is the fact that they write their feelings in other peoples blood. Jihad is only a reason to kill. They like to kill. Muslims are haters with some really crackpot ideas of life after death. I wonder what kind of virgins they expect to meet; women, men, babies, animals? I would like to see a definition.
Jun 25, 2009 - 3:32 pm 58. Strawman:Right. Legally, they might have gotten away with this if they stopped with the allegations of not having a proper license and not properly using the governor’s name. When they threw the “hate speech” in there, they just begged for a pushback/smackdown.
Go for punitive damages. This was malicious.
Jun 25, 2009 - 3:35 pm 59. lefroy:#58 Strawman
Sadly, it’s Maine (ie the taxpayers) that will pay the punitive damages and all the costs of defending the proceedings. The bureaucrat will emerge completely unscathed, to boss people around another day.
Jun 25, 2009 - 3:51 pm 60. Joe Camel:Bottom line, the libtards run for office, and others don’t. They win, get control and run your life. If more people would take that on, this would stop, as they would not win by default..sums it up, get involved, elected and take things back. Stand on the sidelines grousing about it, and you lose..
Jun 25, 2009 - 4:52 pm 61. Dave Surls:From the Maine Constitution, Declaration of Rights…
“Every citizen may freely speak, write and publish sentiments on any subject, being responsible for the abuse of this liberty; no laws shall be passed regulating or restraining the freedom of the press…”
Of course, they don’t really mean that.
Jun 25, 2009 - 5:08 pm 62. ked5:Ibn Abbaas said : The Messenger of Allah said, “Whoever changes his (Islamic) religion, kill him.” Al-Bukhary (number 6922)
~~~
Jun 25, 2009 - 5:16 pm 63. Get them:There is a woman from Saudi Arabia in my homeschool group. She has converted to Christianity – she has been VERY CLEAR, her family is in defiance of islam for NOT killing her.
I want to know the names and addresses of the government thugs who are doing this.
Jun 25, 2009 - 6:40 pm 64. No Dhimmi:Be sure to write to that woman and complain loudly!
elaine.m.thibodeau@Maine.gov
Jun 25, 2009 - 7:06 pm 65. gordo:Brutus #9 makes a good point. But the problem in Maine is in Portland (a very nice city by the way – but quite liberl – like Portland Oregon) and in Augusta the capitol. I live in Maine three to four months a year and love it in large part because the average Mainer is flinty, independent, and is the one who will pull over at night and help you out if you have a blown tire. They are great folks – but its a strange brew – independent but blue collar and moderate-left – hence the moderate republican senators. Hard to explain, but maybe this is just a case of lefty gov’t folks doing their thing. I am really tired of these bureaucrats – what CAN is doing is important. Remember, Islamists take the long view and infiltrate slowly and under the radar. Take a look at Bosnia if you will – Ottomans took it, started building mosques and 200 years later it is Wahhabi muslim and a center for terrorist operations. We need to fight against the radical muslims, yet liberals like the ones in the Maine government are just the type of people the bad guys love – they know how to work our own system against us.
Jun 25, 2009 - 7:39 pm 66. Geoff:“You don’t see non-believers fighting each other over who has the better imaginary friend.”
You must not read much Dawkins or Hitchens eh? Atheism is just another faith like all the rest, call it random chance instead of God, not much difference. Agnosticism is the only objective and rationally defensible belief system.
Jun 25, 2009 - 7:57 pm 67. ddc:17. Ms. Attitude:
Why are the politicians in this country pampering Islam?
Why? Because Muslims are the new Mexicans.
Jun 25, 2009 - 8:01 pm 68. snack:Time to fight back.
Jun 25, 2009 - 8:12 pm 69. whataloadacrap08:http://www.maine.gov/pfr/complaints_policy.htm
Send the Human Resources a complaint against the employee and demand resignation for harassment. This is not the first time this has happened, nor the last.
Maine? Nothing there but steers and queers, oh and somalians too.
Jun 25, 2009 - 9:12 pm 70. Class Clown:No. 41 said: I think everyone should understand the five pillars of Islam so I’m going to go ahead and put them here:
1. Kill Jews
2. Kill Christians
3. Kill Hindus
4. Kill Buddhists
5. Kill all other non-muslims
You added a some words, 5 should say “Kill other muslims”
Jun 25, 2009 - 9:21 pm 71. Class Clown:52. Hmmm, which of these 20th century mass-murderers were explicitly hostile to religion? Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Pol Pot…
Answer: all of them.
Jun 25, 2009 - 9:27 pm 72. Oldguy:When you scratch beneath the surface of these bureaucratic organizations you will usually find some feminist involved.
Jun 26, 2009 - 8:43 am 73. Another Chuck:#65. Agreed. Portland is a great city but filled with pc loons. It’s like there’s a GI tract straight between their mouths and the sh#t that comes out in Augusta.
Jun 26, 2009 - 9:41 am 74. Vik:Are there phone numbers of politicians in Maine that we can call, to express our outrage at this attack on the First Amendment?
Jun 26, 2009 - 9:52 am 75. Thomas L......:Oldguy – Feminazi, you mean.
Jun 26, 2009 - 10:15 am 76. Ken:Personifudd – Not much of that happening anymore except for the mohammedans. Now answer mine. What or whom do you worship? AGW? Che? Al Gore? The Obamessiah? Progessivism? Yourself in a mirror?
You have got to be kidding, fining for expressing a view? This is a joke right? If true what moron thinks that freedom of speech & press has left and can not exist anymore? Elaine Thibodeau, must be an enemy of the US to even try such an outlandish idea! Go read the constitution again, you must think you are above the law!
Jun 26, 2009 - 6:22 pm 77. NH:Well if you voted for puke repubicans who vote for UN treaties, we will be just like UK in no time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This happens all the time — towns fining you for putting up a NO sign if they don’t like it during a campaign for something…
People do not speak up to help each other because they don’t want to be targeted.
Jun 27, 2009 - 11:44 am 78. Jim Baker:If we don’t all hang together, we will hang alone I tell you.
Just shoot the bastards, and I am not talking about the Muslims here.
Jun 27, 2009 - 6:59 pm 79. james:No. 23 is exactly right, and this is not at all new. Islam has always been violent and radical at the center, not the fringes. Winston Churchill had some fascinating, and devastating, things to say about Islam. They are worth looking up.
Jun 28, 2009 - 6:07 am 80. Teresa:This country is descending into, or being pushed into, violence. And it’s the Maine bureaucrats who are responsible.
If you don’t like this ruling, let Maine’s Department of Professional and Financial Regulation know. Just google “Maine Department of Professional and Financial Regulation”. They have contact icon’s and phone numbers. It amazes me that a religion whose “holy book”, the Quran, says “if you think your woman is going to be disobedient, take her to the bed and beat her” is considered a peaceful religion worthy of protection.
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if obama is a real american why doesn’t he call maine and tell the state to drop all charges. oh wait he can’t he’s not a real american is he.
Jun 29, 2009 - 1:27 pm 83. James DeBose:I will be forever an infidel. This is America subject to the documents and laws as out lined in our Constitution (please take time to read this document)as written by our GOD fearing forefathers. We are a Christian based Nation, Obama would be wise to shut his pie hole on this. Look around, there is not a town or city in America that does not have a Christian based house of faith located there. Stand up for your rights even if it means taking a beating! Protest and march if needed (hey it’s outlined in the Constitution). Impeach those who do not exercise the will of the people! Vote them out as a message to all. Remember the 545 members of Congress have made the mess we are in. They pass the laws, they increase taxes, they handle the budget, they and they alone should be held accountable. If you did your job like they do you would be fired for poor performance!Oh and while we are on the subject of the Quran, Jefferson did have one, to better understand the ENEMY thinking. Yes remember he and Congress put to rest (with the help of the Marines)the pirates that were attacking US ships. So yeah once again Obama has mislead the sheeple. Stand up UNITE and restore the Republic for which it stands!!!
Jun 29, 2009 - 1:29 pm 84. MONEY:MONEY is why all play up the hater’s of America. America the great satan. America needs to wake up to who is behind the hate of USA. There is an army of hater’s here in USA. They are waiting on orders to blow us to pieces! 35 camps of the hater’s with the weapons to start killing and their leader is in DC!
Jun 29, 2009 - 1:32 pm 85. James:The tactics used by these people to legitimize their genuine threat against those who don’t share their views is comparable, if not just as effective as tactics used by Neo-nazis & white supremesists; a bunch of thugs with money. I’m expected to respect their sensibilities and beliefs whilst they seem to care about no one’s interests but their own.
I welcome anyone to believe what they wish and to pray to whomever guides their consciousness. I do not seek permission to do the same; just peace of mind that I’m allowed the same freedoms that they are. They need not worship the same God I do. I need not care about theirs.
Jun 29, 2009 - 1:42 pm 86. Rick in Delta:Actually I wrote Elaine through their webmaster.
Hello I have copied here my note to the Maine Dept. of Professional and Financial Regulation, through their webmaster, as follows.
Please forward this note to:Elaine Thibodeau, I thank-you for your co-operation and help in this matter.
I am astonished at your State’s attitude, banning Christians their right to free speech, yet most states in America bend over backwards to facilitate, Muslim clerics right to unbridled hate and vitriol violence and sedition against you nation.
That you then demand such absurd penalties for the expression of truthful commentary, is a sure sign the loonies have taken over the bin.
I only ask that you take the time to reconsider your stance and reverse your decision.
I am a Canadian, that once admired America a great deal more than now and it is largely due to the US loosing its moral compass, and coming to such absurd decisions as are demonstrated here.
Thank you for taking the time to read this short appeal to your better senses.
Sincerely,
Rick in Delta
P.S.There is/was at least one terrorist training compound here in Canada, less than 20 miles from the House of Parliament in Ottawa.
Jun 29, 2009 - 1:50 pm 87. Timothy:This is not inflammatory, it is simple fact, there are already some in jail convicted or on trial for their efforts.
I just wonder when and how the tipping point will be reached? America has never been a passive country when it comes to defending our way of life. Or our Christian – Judeo values and beliefs either. We’ve fought many tyrants, dictators and world scum to hold onto this system too over the last 233 years. Much blood has been spilled in the name of our Republic and our constitution too. It was Jefferson who said the “Tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants alike.”
When are we going to take to the streets like the Iranians have? When it’s too late and we face the clubs of Obamabots and Acorn?
Jun 29, 2009 - 2:15 pm 88. Another maniac:I grew up in Maine, and I am disgusted with you folks – your apathy at the polls allows the “gimme crowd” in Portland, Lewiston, Augusta, Skowhegan, and Bangor, to fill the legislature with liberal wingnuts that are hell bent on ruination of a once proud place.
Jun 29, 2009 - 2:19 pm 89. Teresa:My Dad must be flipping in his grave – the homestead that he spent $3200 of hard earned money for, is now taxed at $3600 per year.
Wake up ! – get off your lazy butts and get out at the next election and throw out these sh*t heads that are destroying Maine – Collins and Snowe need to be at the bottom of the pile, and the rest dumped on top of them.
I’d like to move back home, but your damn taxes are killing you, and I’m not going to help you commit suicide.
My sister is an election worker in Maine, and says the turnout is pathetic !!!
http://www.maine.gov/governor/baldacci/contact/thanks.html
If this irritates you, email the governor of Maine at the address above.
Jun 29, 2009 - 2:34 pm 90. Big Elk:First, let me apologize for the state of California, to the rest of the nation. DemocRATS are ruining California and the Nation. We, in California, are at the mercy of a corrupt state supreme court; a court that not only creates homosexual rights where none exist (ala the reason for Prop 8), but a shameful court that has rejected separation of church and state lawsuits when it comes to spreading the mohammedan moon god worshippers’ bogus mysoginist message. My question is: how long has Elaine Thibodeau been a bag man (maybe “bagwoman” is a more accurate term, in all that it means) for mohammedans? How much do the mohammedans bribe Thibodeau to push their religion of death on the unsuspecting morons who live in Maine? #: what has happened to the people of Maine? Are you brain dead?
Jun 29, 2009 - 2:42 pm 91. archangelo:You can call Ms. Thibodeau directly at (207) 624-8617. You can also send an E-email: elaine.m.thibodeau@Maine.gov
Jun 29, 2009 - 2:43 pm 92. Greg:This is part of the “Stealth Jihad” Robert Spenser writes about in his book of the same title. Americans cannot sit back and allow this to happen.
Jun 29, 2009 - 2:43 pm 93. Gary:Since the term “POLITICALLY CORRECT” first came into use in the last century, I have always asked “Why be politically correct when you can be RIGHT!?” This once great country of ours is rapidly becoming a nation of people who do not want to offend anyone. I’ll tell you, if someone tries, or even threatens, to kill me, I’ll be offended. If you don’t want to know the answer, don’t ask the question. If you can’t take the heat, get out of the kitchen, and I could go on with clichés ad nauseaum.
Get REAL, America. Go after your representatives in Congress. Go after your State Representatives. DEMAND that you be treated as the First Class Citizen of the United States of America that you are! If you do nothing about the problem, you are part of the problem.
Jun 29, 2009 - 3:29 pm 94. Paul Stevens:Yep! As a Canuck, this all definitely sounds like our Human Rights Commissions in all provinces. We’ve had enough of their crap and some members of Parliament are working on legislation directing all complaints through the police. Further, any one person bringing a complaint to the Commission – and if they have their complaint rejected – will have to pay the legal cost of their bigoted stupidity – or in most cases Stealth Jihad – to the courts. Come on Yanks! Phone your state Reps and get moving on the same kind of Legislation. Either that or vote the idiots out next election and get someone in who will.
Jun 29, 2009 - 3:37 pm 95. PE:Where is the ACLU to defend the freedom of speech of these people? They were there to defend the right of Nazis to march in Skokie (a community full of Holocaust survivors, for those of you too young to remember.)
Jun 29, 2009 - 4:27 pm 96. Terrence @ Ohio:No really, I am not kidding. Where is the ACLU?
I think the problem we have in this netion is many of these so-called leaders are accepting to much Saudi money and therefore starting to make anti-American decisions as a sort of ‘Thank you’ for the money. In time we will probably see more of these types of decisions. True American patriots get your guns and ammo ready. There will be a Revolution II…
Jun 29, 2009 - 6:19 pm 97. Bob:It appears that Maine has joined Iran and is now a political alley of that terrorist country. Watching how the Iranian Government handles FREE SPEECH recently, we can expect Maine elected officials to act in a similiar fashion. I am an Athiest , but I fully support Christian & non Christian efforts to expose the sinister efforts of Muslim terrorists in any activity that harms America.
Jun 29, 2009 - 6:56 pm 98. Paul Davis:I have lived in the muddle east and know what it is like to be a minority. Christians have no freedom and Islam is a way of life, not a religion. Jihad is only one of the prayers that is said 5 times each day. Any Muslim who practices Islam(and the great majority do)finds that it his duty to kill non-Muslims unless they convert to Islam or pay the tax to stay Christian…..or Jew or whatever.
Jun 29, 2009 - 7:46 pm 99. ALAN:I now live in Texas and came to your blog by following “Act for America.com” which I am a member of.
I find it strange that you people of Maine don’t have a huge march on Augusta. Good God what does it take to move you people?? Perhaps when the Islamofacists get the signal to start an attack on you!
Seriously, it has to be a peaceful demonstration with signs, speakers and petitions. I find it hard to believe what sheep you are. Texans wouldn’t need any more proof than you have with that bunch of Political Correct dead-heads who will cater to the Muslims until they too get their head handed to them.
I was born in upstate New York until college age. I remember Maine as a very Freedom loving state with hardy people who would never put up with the facists and commies who now hold power there. Like Minute-Men they would organize and march on town hall to be heard. Those “leaders” who have their heads in the sand or some other dark place need to be stood up to. They think they own you. They need to fear you and your power…….guess I have been listening to Glen Beck too long.
This is not a party thing…..a Republican or Democrat or Libertarian thing…..IT IS AN AMERICAN THING. Get a backbone and a few friends and circle the capitol with your cars, tractors, trucks, whatever and make some noise!!
Don’t forget our troops this holiday and stop for a moment to honor them…….I know that I will. God Bless the Great State of Maine…..God Bless American Freedom wherever you are.
Come on people, this isn’t the first instance of this type of radical liberalism. This woman is just another in a long list of people who fight for their own agendas not the needs of the people they were elected to uphold.
Jun 29, 2009 - 7:50 pm 100. BEVERLY:VOTE her and her like OUT!
THERE IS NO OTHER WAY!
VOTE what they stand for not your freak’n wallet or color like the obama dip sticks have done.
the bumper sticker ” don’t blame me I didn’t vote for him” really applies here and when the time comes and the muslim horde is upon you “don’t blame me I warned you”.
I HAVE BEEN READING ALL OF THE EMAILS THAT COME FROM DIFFERENT SITES,THERE ARE ALOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT FEEL THE SAME AS WE DO. I WOULD LIKE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY THAT ALL COULD COME TOGETHER,LAY OUT A PLAN AS TO HOW WE CAN TAKE BACK OUR COUNTRY.
IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE COULD WRITE OUR POLITICAL LEADERS AND THEY WOULD JOIN US AND HELP US,BUT WE KNOW THAT WILL NOT HAPPEN.
ONE THING WE CAN DO IS VOTE OUT ALL INCUMBENTS,IS THAT POSSIBLE? I DON’T KNOW.
MAYBE WE COULD COLLECT MONIES AND WHEN ELECTON TIME ARRIVES RUN A MEDIA BLITZ FOR THE DURATION.
WE WOULD HAVE TO START A FUND AND FIND SOMEONE THAT WE COULD TRUST TO HANDLE THE FUNDS AND KEEP THEM SAFE.ALL OUR TIME WOULD HAVE TO BE VOLUNTEER,AT LEAST WE WOULD KNOW WHO WAS DEDICATED
WE KEEP SAYING WE SHOULD STAND TOGETHER AND FIGHT.I HAVE NO EXPERIENCE AT ORGANIZING ANYTHING,OTHER THAN RUNNING A FAMILY.
ARE WE FULL OF WORDS OR ARE WE READY TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS?
Jun 29, 2009 - 8:32 pm 101. J.O. Williams:The state of Maine levied a fine against the Christian Action Network (producers of the “Homegrown Jihad” documentary) apparently in part due to content the state called “an inflammatory anti-Muslim message. Actually, the only “HATE SPEECH” voiced in the documetary was the direct QUOTES of the Muslin Jihadists themselves. So, if the state of Maine wants to go after someone for INFLAMMATORY HATE SPEECH, they should FINE the JIHADISTS!
Jun 29, 2009 - 9:01 pm 102. Roger:I agree with much of the above comments. I noticed a couple of comments asking where the ACLU is. In truth they will not be involved as they too, want to destroy America. Here is a little of their history: Roger Baldwin, the founder of the American Civil Liberties Union, once said, “I am for socialism, disarmament, and, ultimately, for abolishing the state itself… I seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class, and the sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal. The whole world is bent on destroying America, and we are letting it happen from the inside.
Jun 30, 2009 - 5:10 am 103. Evelyn:I agree with Beverly, there are many Americans who think and feel the same way, angry at our loss of liberty and freedom, and helpless to do much about it. As evidenced by the Cap/Trade Tax Bill, our representatives care little about what we the people want. DC is a cesspool of croneyism and Alinksy radicalism, and if you don’t beat with the same drum, you will be thrown out. The media is useless, with a few exceptions; BO will make every effort to shut down those cable networks that do not pander him. So what can we do? Someone once said, “There’s always hope, even when there isn’t any hope.” We must all become activists; we cannot sit on our butts and do nothing. Write letters, blogs, pray alot, and attend Tea Parties. The very founders of our country met with similar obstacles, and they overcame. This Republic will stand because of its people — sincere, honest, freedom-loving, God-filled Americans. Let’s pray and unite this 4th of July and send a message to all those in DC that we will not be ignored. DON’T TREAD ON ME!
Jun 30, 2009 - 7:47 am 104. Riverfred:Obama is off to a great start to destroy the U.S. from within by funding 200 million of our money to immmigrate Palestinians to the U.S. These are the same Palestinians who voted for Hamas and per a survey have 8 offspring per family vs. 1.9 offspring for American families. The stupid politically correct morons unfortunately are winning and for whatever reason are supporting Muslims. Just wait until they drop a few nukes on us, maybe then they will wake up.
Jun 30, 2009 - 11:33 pm 105. Jim K:For starters, here’s a suggestion:’
“HERS – 2010″
(Had Enough…Retake Senate…2010)
Everyone commenting and ready to fight back against both Islam and Obama, should stay laser focused and seriously direct all our energies toward retaking control of the U.S. Senate; this way we have a shot at damage control and protecting this country until the islamic imposter we have in the whitehouse is removed.
Jul 2, 2009 - 2:30 am 106. Freddie:Thibodeau needs to lose her job!!! What can we do to make that happen?
Jul 2, 2009 - 10:56 am 107. T Mackenzie:It would be helpful if PM produced a copy of the mailer so that we can judge for ourselves as to the content.
Jul 2, 2009 - 4:07 pm 108. steve:this is happening all over america dearborn mich. stopped flyers from being handed out to the public on public streets during a international arab festival. check out actnow.org people and spread what is happening to our 1st ammendment. “islam is not here to be another religion, it is to be the only religion” council of american islamic relations. cair
Jul 2, 2009 - 8:32 pm 109. Rubicon:It amazes me some think we can negotiate & resolve differences w/ those angry folk who are killing people. If we just get along & if we make sure no one speaks out about those seeking to kill, we can reach an agreement & all can live in peace.
Jul 16, 2009 - 9:05 am 110. ABU _AHMAD:Yep. Sure we can.
Face it. There are people in the world who have so bought into a cult belief, into a political belief, into the one world order belief, yet they ignore the very real fact that there are many committed to power & greed & so long as they get that power & obtain that wealth to sate their greed, they will push for more & more & more.
Chavez wants power & wealth. Yet some want us to make nice w/ him. Chavez will never be satisfied. Those pushing for worldwide Islam want to force it on others. Slowly or quickly, they want to force all to obey. Socialists want all to be one in the world & they will use force to obtain the power they relish.
Free speech easily wins this one unless we really do have judges w/o common sense. Lets face it, using the governor’s name does no imply he agrees. In addition, his name is not copy-written. From what I read in the article, they asked people to write to the governor. The calls for money or contributions did not say the governor backed up the solicitation. So the state is just flexing muscle “FOR” someone who has influenced the Attorney General’s office. That is an issue that deserves investigation… who is the AG pandering to? And if complaints alone can justify fines & accusations of guilt, we are all in real trouble.
Maine must cite actual state codes that have been violated. And, a defendant has the right to face their accuser in a court of law. So whoever wrote that letter of complaint must be required to present themselves in a court to face the persons they have accused of a crime.
Methinks this one will go no where unless the state is actually lost to reality. Add to this the freedom of speech aspects, & the state looks foolish in the least!
wake up american, its time for you to fight back dont let leftist and islamist run your country. dont forget persia and egypt two great and powerful country of their time now slave of islam, what happen to them will happen to great america if you people dont fight back. i am proud ex muslim
Aug 3, 2009 - 3:35 am 111. Kelvin47:This flow of sound was unconventional and not suited for radio airplay, conflicting with Gordy’s main focus – the commercial aspect. ,
Oct 22, 2009 - 3:30 am 112. jeison murillo:we hate that people in my country
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