McCain, Obama Help Muddle the ‘Torture’ Issue

They hurt America by criticizing activities that never took place.

October 22, 2008 - by John Rosenthal
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One of the most striking and, frankly, disturbing features of this year’s presidential election campaign has been the tendency of the Republican candidate John McCain to sound like an echo chamber of his Democratic rival Barack Obama. It is this essential harmony of opinions on so many crucial matters that rendered the three presidential debates such soporific affairs and that will undoubtedly render the very act of voting an excruciating experience for many if not most Republicans.

On no issue has this been more striking than on that of so-called “torture.” In the first presidential debate, it was in fact the Arizona senator who took the lead, twice interjecting — although no one asked — that he had opposed the Bush administration on “torture of prisoners,” before Obama chimed in: “I give Senator McCain great credit on the torture issue.” In the last debate, it was the Illinois senator’s turn to take the initiative by praising his Republican rival for showing “commendable independence, on some key issues like torture, for example,” before McCain “responded” by trotting out his usual list of “disagreements” with the Bush administration, in which the “issue of torture,” of course, had pride of place.

But what exactly is the issue? Hardly anyone, after all, would have expected either candidate to come out in favor of torture. Although neither Obama nor McCain bothered to elaborate, they were presumably referring to the well-known charges that the Bush administration authorized the use of torture to extract information from detainees captured in the course of the “war on terror.” In a real debate, one or the other participant would have recalled that the Bush administration has, of course, persistently denied these charges, arguing that the so-called “harsh interrogation techniques” that it approved were all within the limits of U.S. law. To pose the issue in terms of whether or not torture should be used is in fact to concede the point that is at the center of the controversy that has been raging on the “torture issue”: namely, whether or not torture was used — or, in other words, whether the “harsh” techniques constitute torture.

As outlined in a now-famous October 2002 Defense Department memorandum, these techniques included such apparently “shocking” practices as requiring detainees to stand (”for a maximum of four hours”), substituting cold rations for their usual warm rations, and “forced grooming” (i.e., shaving a detainee’s beard against his will). To stylize such practices into “torture” is obviously to make a mockery of the ordinary concept of torture. The same memorandum also requested approval for the practice that has come to be known as “waterboarding.” It is worth noting that this request — like the request to use several other harsher “Category III” techniques — was turned down by then-Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld. (See the response, as penned by Pentagon legal counsel William J. Haynes, here.) The only “Category III” technique that was approved was the “use of mild, non-injurious physical contact such as grabbing, poking in the chest with the finger, and light pushing” — yet again hardly the stuff to send chills up the spine. (It was in fact the CIA, not the much-maligned Rumsfeld Department of Defense, that engaged in waterboarding. A Washington Post article published last week claims that administration officials also provided “secret” authorization for waterboarding. The article is based exclusively on anonymous sources.)

What are the implications of the “torture issue” for the elections?

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John Rosenthal writes on European politics and transatlantic relations. More of his work can be found at Transatlantic Intelligencer.

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11 Comments

1. vb:

It is also interesting how little resonance the Palais de Justice scandal has had in Europe. The basement of the Palais was a holding tank for asylum seekers, and the conditions I read about make Guantanamo sound like Club Med. There were no Spiegel covers showing Chirac as Robespierre, nor were there pages of letters to the editor expressing outrage.

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Oct 22, 2008 - 4:03 am 3. AdrianS:

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Oct 22, 2008 - 7:58 am 4. Self-hating boomer:

They hurt America by criticizing activities that never took place.

Same thing with climate change. Politicians see opportunity in solving nonexistent problems. As long as they profit from this, we’re going to get more of the same.

Oct 22, 2008 - 8:31 am 5. Mark:

Wow. Good stuff. I admit that I was taken in by it all, and thought that waterboarding was a practice that the DoD not only requested but engaged in.

I’m in a bit of a funk, I think, over just how bad the media’s portrayal of events has been, and exactly how to combat it. Posting this kind of information at PajamasMedia is a good start, but how do we get this information into the wider “public consciousness” (sorry for the collectivist reference, but I think you all know what I mean).

Oct 22, 2008 - 9:51 am 6. Dave Surls:

The Muslim extremists tossed the rulebook out the window when they started attacking American embassies, when they captured American civilians and shot or beheaded them, when they murdered American children by flying them into the sides of buildings.

Use of torture (and I mean REAL torture, not stuff like waterboarding) against captured terrorists and guerrillas is fully justified.

And to hell with the delicate sensibilities of McCain and Obama.

Oct 22, 2008 - 11:02 am 7. OsamaLinBiden:

So what if both McCain and Obama agree that we did torture prisoners. I’m sure John Rosenthal knows more about this than they do. Who do they think they are?

Oct 22, 2008 - 1:40 pm 8. Tyler:

Let us not forget about the Democratic congress’ closed meeting in which they independently defined ’sleep deprivation exceeding 28 hours is torture’

By that definition, my college professors should be imprisoned for crimes against humanity.

Oct 22, 2008 - 4:49 pm 9. sam in Toronto:

Once these terrorists started their attacks on civilians, they forfeited all rights to not be subject to torture. Why the hell do we insist on applying the constitution to people who are not citizens.

And, international “law” is a joke … as long as they odnt follow it, why should we?

Oct 22, 2008 - 5:22 pm 10. John Moore:

DOD does practice waterboarding - during training of our own soldiers.

Before that, they trained with other, more painful (if not as effective) techniques.

If our soldiers voluntarily undergo waterboarding (and they do, all the time), then we sure as hell can use it on illegal combatants - individuals the logic of the Geneva Convention urges us to shoot.

Oct 22, 2008 - 6:40 pm 11. southerngrace:

Our troops get beheaded and we are supposed to recognize the civil rights of the Islamo-Nazis. No, I’m all for water-boarding, ball-pin hammers, bamboo shoots under the nails and hot coffee on the testicles. Terrorists only understand violence, they will not negotiate, killing us is their main goal and I say do unto them as they do unto you.

Oct 23, 2008 - 9:09 am

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