153 Comments

1. Delia:

THANK you, Mr. Green. I’m no prude and I’m quite privy of perverted humor and I use a bit of perverse humor myself from time to time but the MSM and lefty bloggers using it ad infinitum was over-the-top prurient rubbish.

I was thankful for Fox News covering the tea parties because who the eff else was? Oh wait, CNN with their left leaning slants and the video I posted of the supposed ‘news reporter’ got removed from youtube by CNN for copyright yadda, yadda crappola because the vid went VIRAL and many folks got a good gander at the BULLSH*T.

What the leftards don’t understand is that the more they try to discredit and bemoan us, the stronger and more stubborn we collectively become because *gasp* we have BACKBONE. Hard working people don’t sully themselves too much with politics because they are busy workin’ their butts off but times are a changin’.

Boo yah!

Apr 17, 2009 - 11:20 pm 2. john from cinncinatti:

there is an elephant in the living room, but its not a republican. i hear this all the time if you are a minority you must be a democrat. if you are a republican you gotta be a racist. so what are you if you just want to be a decent salt of the earth American? someone who has common sense and common decency. i’m trying to mind my own business and i don’t need a village to raise my children. i will help my neighbor to the best of my ability if asked ,but i don’t want to impose my standards on them. i personally would like the government to leave me alone, something about life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. my work my money. don’t give the house away and then tax me so you can get another.

Apr 18, 2009 - 12:04 am 3. NC Mountain Girl:

Once ridiculed as the final resting place has beens, Chicken Noodle News seems to have gone fill circle when it comes to the professionalism of its reporters.

Apr 18, 2009 - 12:07 am 4. Class Clown:

I suppose I should be embarrassed to admit that I had no idea that “teabagging” was sexual innuendo for anything.

Nah, I’m happy that I’ve managed to escape at least one example of the coarse-ness of our popular culture. That is a very hard thing to do these days.

Apr 18, 2009 - 12:14 am 5. Delia:

4. Class Clown,

You don’t wanna know. The meaning is gross and not funny AT ALL. Save yourself and never google it. I’m still trying to bleach my brain from knowing the meaning. Blech.

I hafta say though…

This kind of crap reminds me of my MIL who was so sad that the term ‘gay’ which meant ‘happy’ had turned into ‘homosexual’. Go figure?

Apr 18, 2009 - 12:31 am 6. Jordan:

Maybe its because teabagers are crazy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJk52ylI3wU

Apr 18, 2009 - 12:42 am 7. Rachel Peepers:

“The common theme amongst the editorial hand-wringers was the supposed irony of Americans protesting high taxes on a day when 95% of us would be receiving a tax break.’

Then Mr. Green points out the disingenious of that remark.

Unless, of course, you’re one of the 15-20% of adult Americans who smoke.

Agreeing with Mr. Green, I guess editorial writers who see marage irony just don’t get it.

Tax hikes are hitting our wallets faster than Harry Callahan can shoot his 357 at a rapist holding his wallet over his heart.

Sales taxes. Gas taxes. Cigarette taxes. Hundreds of taxes. They’re not going down, reporters, they’re going sky high. If you want to play the game of thinking all we care about is federal income tax, then you’ve got your head buried in the sand and Barack is lying at the beach on his stomach.

The mainstream media died a long time ago. They’re now Barack’s PR firm. Until we all understand this, I guess articles like Mr. Green’s will be necessary. Barack is busy remaking America into his image and likeness. If you don’t like the look of that, join us. We don’t either. Barack’s new America is like the Berlin wall. His lackies may shoot at your if you get too near to it,and try to make it congruent with our constitution once again, but that’s the chance we have to take. Barack has to realize, since we’ve got the second amendment, we’ve got guns, too. And our local police won’t be siding with Barack. In fact, his attacks on the America we know and love may have put Barack in their crosshairs.

He will be stoppped. We won’t let him reduce our constitution to what the new york times has been reduced to; bird cage paper.

Apr 18, 2009 - 12:57 am 8. Delia:

7. Rachel Peepers,

No, hon. It won’t be New York Times littering the pans of bird cages…

…It will be our dollar bills.

Apr 18, 2009 - 1:12 am 9. Delia:

I think the major point people are missing is that these ‘demonstrations’ were peaceful.

There was no violence but instead camaraderie.

You libtard children of rich parents are the epitome of st00pid. Time to grow the eff up. When you want to make something of your life and garner a piece of the pie you’ll be left with an empty pie plate.

Time to wise up, dumbasses. Your reckoning is coming and the people who have been paying for your B.S. propaganda are going to give you the high hard one.

Esteemed morons in Congress are in for a serious beat-down.

Apr 18, 2009 - 1:32 am 10. vivo:

7. Rachel Peepers:

Always one-sided and forgetful:

“The mainstream media died a long time ago. They’re now Barack’s PR firm.”

Fox News, Hannity, Limbo, Beck, Pajamasmedia, Politico, newspapers, radio, etc., etc., etc.

The news now are like kids birthday parties: you only invite your friends.

Apr 18, 2009 - 2:54 am 11. GDT:

“The common theme amongst the editorial hand-wringers was the supposed irony of Americans protesting high taxes on a day when 95% of us would be receiving a tax break.”

Give me a break.

Here is something that the left never seems to get: If the person you work for gets a tax increase – that will become a tax increase on you. (It comes out of what they are or could be paying you) If the person who sells you stuff gets a tax increase – that will become a tax increase on you too. (It will get added to the price of products).

“We are only taxing rich people” is a lie. It has always been a lie. All taxes are ALWAYS paid by the consumer. When the government removes wealth from the economy to be consumed by government it shrinks the entire private economy and harms everyone. “Targeted tax cuts” and “Targeted tax increases” are an illusion. It doesn’t matter who actually writes the check to the IRS. The lowest level worker and consumer always pays ALL taxes in one form or another. The government depends on a lack of basic understanding of macroeconomics to snow us with the “we aren’t taxing YOU – we are taxing that other guy” crap.

Apr 18, 2009 - 4:14 am 12. Allston:

Personally, I believe there’s some latitude to embarrass the hell out of the MSM for this: keep hammering them with the point that linking the term “teabagging” and “teaparty” in this crude, gutter way ALSO takes a backhanded slap at the original Tea Party itself. Same name, correct?

Imagine setting up an Anderson or Olbermann with a tame, “so you believe this is humorous, yes?” Let them rant their little rant. Then note to them the link with the original Tea Party, and do they believe that was funny as well, and what sort of disloyal, a-historical jerks are they anyways?

Not for nothing is the symbol of the Democrat party a Donkey – that is to say, a big Ass.

Apr 18, 2009 - 4:18 am 13. Nosinin:

I am also not a prude by ANY stretch of the imagination. And I refuse to turn my TV to NBC, or any of the other ‘news’ broadcasting sites-lest they count me as a viewer. But I did find the Keith Olberman (I know) video on the tea parties online, and felt like I needed a shower after watching it. It is so sexually charged, it would likely be censored on a network show.

On top of all the lies and twists that are thrown out by the MSM media, it’s disgusting to watch the ugliness of our culture come front and center. No moral values whatsoever, no effort to maintain any sense of decency or goodness. The left has never grown up. They act like a bunch of hormonal eight graders. I am so sad to know that we are currently watching the darkest and possibly last turn our country will ever make, this is history being made and it’s damned ugly. I only hope and pray that the tea party movement continues so that we will finally be heard and acknowledge. Not holding my breath.

Apr 18, 2009 - 4:21 am 14. misanthropicus:

[...] “Ridicule has long been a powerful propaganda tool. Ayn Rand noted just that in The Fountainhead, when villain Ellsworth Toohey explains that he would “Kill by laughter. … One doesn’t reverence with a giggle.” Professional rabble-rouser — er, “community organizer” — Saul Alinsky’s rule five was: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” And that’s exactly what we’re seeing on display all across the left side of the blogosphere and the MSM.[...]”

And remember the excellent 1996 “Ridicule” (a Franch, Louis the xvi-th movie idiotically denied an award by the academy) that showed what a devastating power ridicule is, and how it can be used for political gain…

Apr 18, 2009 - 4:30 am 15. william Blake:

If in fact the main stream media has died, then why are we worried about them? I turned off my TV years ago. It looks like few others can. How long would Anderson Cooper survive if everyone ignored him?

Apr 18, 2009 - 4:37 am 16. fear Obama:

6. Jordan:

Maybe its because teabagers are crazy?

Yours are crazier than ours.

LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCipmnYCKB0

Apr 18, 2009 - 4:46 am 17. fear Obama:

After listening to the Democrats that voted for Obama I am reminded of Kool Aid drinkers.

“We gonna pay your rent and car payments”-

Here-
Have some more Kool aid.

Apr 18, 2009 - 4:54 am 18. Jephnol:

Hey Jordan, your spelling reminds me of your logic.

Apr 18, 2009 - 5:04 am 19. steveg:

Well, I’m up early because of the yelping dog next door. Life sucks sometimes, but we must not let it get us down.

Nothing about the left (including MSM) surprises me any longer. They will stoop to the lowest form for political gain. You will recall what they did to Bill Clinton during the primary, so anyone is a target. You have to hope there are enough fair-minded people out there that it will backfire on them bigtime.

I read a post on PJM a few months ago and it applys so well to this issue. “Conservatives never get a fair shake, thats a given. But moderates, libertarians and classic liberals are just as likely to be chewed up in the Bohemian Cult Triangle of Hollywood, academia and the entrenched media if they dare to cross paths with the leftist cultist”

Apr 18, 2009 - 5:09 am 20. don:

Whether as denizens of the television amen chorus (with a secure job) or of the print media, our dutiful reporter utter pap they call reportage on a daily basis. To them, they are the news and feed tidbits to the masses at whim. So the Tea Parties (though large) had nothing to do with them, and threatened, so, deny, distract and ridicule. The media takes itself so seriously now that we have a Lunatic Pentagon Apparachik (emphasis on CHik, and a “journalist”) suggesting a “bail out” for the print media, and the licensing of journalists . . . wonder what “credentials” such a abomination would demand? So who is really running the asylum now? Media, or trial lawyers?

Apr 18, 2009 - 5:18 am 21. Historical perspective:

Clearly what was on display by the likes of Anderson Cooper and the other legacy media folks is the complete disdain for middle class America. The left abandon the working class in the 70’s because they deemed them hopelessly mired in the cultural artifacts of the America they wanted to destroy. So instead they focused on middle America’s children through the education system (including the mass indoctrination at the college level). The currrent legacy media is a product of that system. Since the left could not convert the masses to its misguided and hateful view of the world, it now seeks to marginalize these same people as simple minded dolts who the left need to be forced to do what the left has determined is right for the masses. The media puppets who are incapable of critical thought are simply doing their part in helping the simple minded masses along the route to “utopian serfdom”.

The only bright spots in this scenario is that the masses have so far resisted this effort of being forced to follow the party line. And with the creation of the internet, they are once again reading and seeing another point of view to balance out the propaganda being dispensed by the leftist mouthpieces.

What still needs to happen however is the recognition that this is a tripartite coalition between the leftist agitators, the old line media and the established political parties (yes even Republicans since when they were in power did nothing to roll back the already all intrusive government bureaucracy that we are saddled with today). We have always been suspicious of the leftist (which is why they have worked to disguise themselves in other forms such as environmentalist to impose their will). We are beginning to catch on the the contempt of the legacy media. What still remains is our willingness to end the domination of our government by those who view it as the means to control our lives. When we start supporting political candidates who will dismantle this excessive government – than the tea parties of the masses will finally have meaning.

Apr 18, 2009 - 5:19 am 22. Mark Epstein:

The mainstream media, politicians, jurists, intellectuals, and a number of others have completely missed what’s really taking place in the country. They don’t understand that if they do not begin listening to the American “people,” then eventually there will be blood in the streets.

Apr 18, 2009 - 5:53 am 23. CraigZ:

The Bill Whittle video regarding Media Bias was tiresome. Calling Obama a Fascist is NOT to compare him to Hitler. It is an honest question whether the economic, repeat economic policies of this Administration are similar to those pursued by Italy in the 1920s and Germany in the ’30s. The “firing” of the CEO of GM seemed too similar for my tastes to the relationship between Krupp and the German government of 1938. Whittle dismisses these concerns by focusing relentlessly on Germnan government actions in relation to the Jews and in starting World War II. That ain’t the point of the Fascist comparison.

Apr 18, 2009 - 6:14 am 24. Sebastian Shaw:

The MSM–MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS–are in a panic; the Tea Parties is a new paradigm the Left is not used from the opposition. Worse for them, the Tea Parties is not from the RNC, Rush Limbaugh, or any established political group; it is a true grassroots movement.

I expect the MSM to downplay the Tea Parties until it becomes impossible to ignore. Hopefully the July 4th protests match or eclipse the April 15th protests.

The MSM is also in a death spiral latching itself to the DNC & President Obama’s administration. Perhaps the Tea Parties will kill the MSM like video killed the radio star?

Apr 18, 2009 - 6:23 am 25. AlanABQ:

The ridicule approach to all things right of center is a good form of propaganda. So is demagoguery, and they are the two things the progressive left defaults to in leiu of facts & reality. In other words, it’s all they use.

#11 GDT makes the point plain: Taxes are paid by the individual consumer and/or employee. To say that they’re going to “soak the rich & the big corporations” to help the “little guy” is as ridiculous as me saying that I’m going to remove or deflate all the tires on my car in order to make the spare tire in the trunk feel better about its position.

The reason they go to town on smokers is because they’re counting on their addiction while saying “Hey, it’s not like you need smokes like you need, say, milk or medicine”. All this while taxing smokers specifically for the SCHIP program while telling them that their deplorable habit shouldn’t be seen or smelled by anyone in public. It’s almost like a roundabout way of enacting a new type of prohibition, but one they can bank on as long as it’s not banned outright just yet…not as long as they can make money while curtailing civil liberties.

Ever wonder why all the things under the BATF’s juristriction are the things they go after the hardest for taxation & maddening restrictions? Ever wonder why there’s a BATF in the first place?

I used to smoke more than I do now, but it’s not necessarily because they could make me ill; all the taxation without representation IS making me ill.

Apr 18, 2009 - 6:31 am 26. Parabellum:

I’m amazed that no one else finds noted homosexualist Andrew Sullivan’s over use of the term “teabagging” more than a little ironic.

Apr 18, 2009 - 6:38 am 27. one of my own:

1. Delia, et al . . . “over-the-top prurient rubbish.”

Master baitors (he-he)? Seamen (he-he)? Gloryholes (he-he)? Dishwasher safe sex toys (he-he)?

You know what the phrase “not a leg to stand on” means? If you didn’t, you do now.

This may be the most crystal clear example of right wing hypocrisy posted yet on PJM. You want to know why the majority of hard-working, tax-paying, family-supporting, community-serving patriotic Americans dismiss the right? Take a guess.

Apr 18, 2009 - 6:47 am 28. LeighB:

It is also not obvious to me why the TEA parties remind some people of teabagging, perhaps it is on their mind for other reasons. [I have deleted the sentence I wanted to write here because I like you, I really like you PJers and you might still be having breakfast]

On a more serious note, if the TEA parties continue, and I believe they will, the 2010 and 2012 elections are going to be exciting indeed. More and more, Americans are not content to let others do all the talking and are finding their voices, and unwilling to wait until the MSM is interested in what they have to say. Hooray for the USA.

Apr 18, 2009 - 6:58 am 29. Sgt. Mom:

I am wondering if the whole ridicule-by-teabagging thing isn’t falling a little flat,for two reasons. Frankly, I didn’t know what it meant, and I thought after twenty years in the Air Force I had heard most of the sexual crudities in common circulation. (My daughter, the Marine did know about it, must be a generational thing)
My point is, it seems that most people were equally baffled. An insult looses a lot of initial impact when the people that the insult is directed against have to go look up the definition. Secondly – it is such a crude, and juvenile kind of insult, that it reflects more upon those using it. It’s almost as if they were kindergartners, sniggering in the corner after calling the teacher a poopy-head.

Apr 18, 2009 - 7:21 am 30. Meryl:

4. Class Clown. I’m with you. Leave it to the left to once again coarsen the level of communication in the culture and raise obscenities to new levels of use.

They are apparently still in their junior high phrase where they think if they talk dirty, it will help their standing. Only with their own kind. Idiots.

Apr 18, 2009 - 7:29 am 31. logdon:

Here in good old Blighty the msm has had a new arse ripped into it by a blogger going by the nom de guerre of Guido Fawkes, running a site which has just removed a major buddy of our Gordon from his job as attack dog spinmeister. A bloody major coup and while the msm dithered and did their lobby duty in a very dutiful way he got the dirt and a big time Labour apparatchik has just hit the road. Fortunately for us, Brown stuff has only one year to go and I can tell you that when he has gone Britain will heave one massive, collective sigh of relief. Prepare yourselves for the fabled Brit breath as when 60 million exhale that breeze will waft across the gulfstream with the force of a hurricane. Unfortunately the US, in a moment of starry eyed madness has jut elected in a guy who loves all the stuff Brown stands for. Their mutual adulation and fawning over Europe is not replicated here amongst the proles who populate our once green and pleasant land. Detest is about right as these unelected morons force law and regulation upon a helpless, squirming populace. Soon you’ll know the real meaning of ‘Left’. Euphemism for faceless state control and bolshevik totalitarian mentality, they rip and shred leaving burning wreckage and empty pockets in the wake. By the way is he American? Surely if he either won’t or can’t produce a valid birth certificate he could be anything. And double surely isn’t his position of POTUS worthy of at least some cursary check? If I apply for a passport they’d laugh at me if I failed to provide correct documetation. Come on shouldn’t that be number one on the tick box of his job application?

Apr 18, 2009 - 7:29 am 32. steveg:

If there is a mass rally planned on July 4th I will attend and bring several people with me. This will be my first protest so hopefully if CNN/MSNBC gets in my face with a microphone I will not be presented as a racist/redneck/white-trash/hillbilly/hick/teabager or whatever new name they come up with to describe me. To the left, a redneck is anyone that is not a self-loathing guilty white liberal, therefore most of America in their eyes are rednecks or racist.

It is a pretty sorry state of affairs when anarchist and illegal immigrants are treated with more respect when they protest than ordinary Americans who are disatisfied with out of control government spending by both political parties.

The American Left and their lackeys in the media will be more responsible than anyone in gettin me off my rear and getting involved in the process. They have awaken a sleeping giant.

Apr 18, 2009 - 7:42 am 33. fred:

What we are witnessing is the incredible success of the work of Antonio Gramsci. The deposed Communists of 1989-91 must be wishing they could have hung on a little longer so as to be able to take advantage of this success.

Apr 18, 2009 - 7:55 am 34. Kathy L.:

We had over 1,000 attendees at our local Tea Party. Next time, there will be more. Power To The People !!!

Apr 18, 2009 - 8:07 am 35. AlanABQ:

27. one of my own-

“You want to know why the majority of hard-working, tax-paying, family-supporting, community-serving patriotic Americans dismiss the right?”

Uh, punkin…? That is the right. It’s nice of you to take time to be derisive & all, but it helps if you actually have a point.

Give it a try. Who knows, you might even succeed!

Apr 18, 2009 - 8:15 am 36. Janet:

So Andrew Sullivan wants a specific manifesto for fiscal soundness without tax increases? Well, here ya go, Andy – get rid of Social Security (self-employment) tax.

Every year for the past 15, the tax has increased. The cap used to be at $60,000, now the cap is over $100,000.

This year my husband and I (he is self-employed) paid $21,630.11 in Federal income taxes to the IRS. We had already forked over $20,000 in quarterly estimated payments by the time we needed to file this year’s return, which meant that the check we would write would be for the remaining $1,630.11.

Not so bad, you may say, but line 57, self-employment tax, of from 1040 added an additional $16,092.20 to our “bill.” The self-employment tax is for Social Security. Will we ever see that money again? Or will it go to pay someone else who “invested” in the government Ponzi scheme, and who expected to see a “return” on his or her “investment?” Or to prop up other government programs?

Whichever the answer, what is clear is that it is no longer at our disposal. If it were, we would either save it, adding money to our bank’s balance sheet; or we would put it into our retirement accounts, thus eliminating future reliance on Social Security “returns;” or we would invest it in our childrens’ futures, with the same results; or we would just spend it.

Hell, that $16,092.20 could even be a down payment on a nice piece of land somewhere far away from the government’s prying hands, where we could “go Galt” and say “screw you” to people like Andrew Sullivan, and others who think my earnings are theirs.

Apr 18, 2009 - 8:24 am 37. fred:

“One of my own” – Isn’t that a kind of narcissistic nom-de-guerre that reveals volumes about your true life persona?

Apr 18, 2009 - 8:27 am 38. Delia:

27. one of my own,

Nice try, punkin’ pie but I don’t use crude humor on the daily [or, at the very least I try to change it up a bit and not use the same, tired b.s. over and over ad nauseum]. You seemed to have ‘conveniently’ forgotten this part of my first post, ” I’m quite privy of perverted humor and I use a bit of perverse humor myself from time to time”

Try reading before posting.
~

Great posts, folks. I won’t name names because there were too many good posts to cherry pick from and I wouldn’t want to leave anyone out and then feel like a major heel.

Happy Saturday

Apr 18, 2009 - 8:27 am 39. venividivici:

fred,

I wonder, though, if it is possible that success has peaked? If Gramsci were a stock, should we be shorting it? Gramsci’s tactics in terms of shaping debate and attaining and maintaining cultural hegemony seem to rely on material factors of production with much higher fixed costs than exist in the realm of blogging versus the realm of legacy media.

Even if that’s true, it is also true that the state educational apparatus remains under the control of Gramsci’s disciples and that is a tougher nut to crack.

Apr 18, 2009 - 8:29 am 40. Frank Logan:

‘The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they’re ignorant; it’s just that they know so much that isn’t so.’- Ronald Reagan. Of course, Reagan had his tongue in cheek. Liberals are extremely ignorant. The liberals on this thread are dupes, true believers, who despite all evidence to the contrary, beieve that liberal policies help people. Most are not stupid, “it’s just that they know so much that isn’t so”.

Apr 18, 2009 - 8:47 am 41. steveg:

Fred…..Oh yes, Antonio Gramsci, the founder and creator of the Bohemian Cult Triangle. Like P.T. Barnum, he knew there was a sucker born every day.

Apr 18, 2009 - 8:54 am 42. PM:

The problem with using the “95% of all Americans get a tax break” arguement is that we collectively resent the notion that the ballot box is to be used as a tool to reward one group by the punishment of another. Populist leaders only serve themselves.

It is pure and utter rubbish, unbecoming of the USA.

In addition, it is not sustainable. Econ 101.

That is why I made a point to protest, and I will again and again until this thinking is exposed, burned and the ashes tossed.

Apr 18, 2009 - 9:00 am 43. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Stephen Green, et al.
RE: Yeah?

A common theme amongst the editorial hand-wringers was the supposed irony of Americans protesting high taxes on a day when 95% of us would be receiving a tax break. — Stephen Green

Tell that to my grand-children.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[We must make the world honest before we can honestly say to our children that honesty is the best policy. -- George Bernard Shaw]

P.S. Obviously, based on Stephen’s report of the so-called ‘mainstream media’, we’ve got a LOOOOOOng ways to go…..

Apr 18, 2009 - 9:22 am 44. davidt:

As noted above, taxes on businesses are treated as business expenses which are passed on to the consumer. Taxes trickle down.

Apr 18, 2009 - 9:22 am 45. Chuck Pelto:

P.P.S. How do those cretins explain a $400 tax break against an additional $36,000 debt?

Apr 18, 2009 - 9:23 am 46. Delia:

42. PM,

-Add to that…if 95% of Americans paid taxes, we wouldn’t be in this hot mess. If 95% of illegal aliens paid taxes even better! We’d be livin’ large if THAT many people paid taxes. In fact, if that many people paid taxes we’d all pay much LESS tax! Go figure that ‘un out eh?

Apr 18, 2009 - 9:23 am 47. Delia:

45. Chuck Pelto:

“How do those cretins explain a $400 tax break against an additional $36,000 debt?”
~

I’m no math genius *cough-cough* but, even *I* can figure that one out. The lefties are so daft it’s beyond the pale. There’s no way in HADES that any of us can pay our way out of this debt in our life-span. Yes, our grandchildren ARE going to be the ones carrying much of the burden and it’s depressing as…well…I already mentioned ‘hades’.

Apr 18, 2009 - 9:28 am 48. Aleena:

When I read interesting articles such as this one, I usually read the response to them. In the past year or so, I have seen response after response that makes no attempt to discuss anything. The poster merely attacks the author, calls the article stupid, calls conservatives stupid, etc. As mentioned, ridicule is being used as a tool. Often it is clear that the person has not read the article. They are like demonstrators who interrupt a talk. They don’t want to further free speech; they want to prevent it.

Now, I know that this comes directly from Saul Alinsky. They want to marginalize anyone who does not agree with them. People are beginning to wake up, but during the last presidental campaign they were very, very successful.

Apr 18, 2009 - 9:31 am 49. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Delia
RE: I’m Suddenly Reminded….

How do those cretins explain a $400 tax break against an additional $36,000 debt? — CBPelto

The lefties are so daft it’s beyond the pale. — Delia

…of that scene in Zulu, after the first engagement at Rourke’s Drift. The Zulus have just fallen back leaving their dead on the battlefield, after testing the firepower of the British position.

Michael Caine, in his first starring role, as the leftenant of the 21st Foot, is enthusiastically shouting, “We must have got 50 of them!”.

The Boar scout dryly remarks, “Yes. That leaves only three thousand, nine hundred and fifty to go.” [Note: Against their 100+.]

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Lotteries are taxes on people with poor math skills.]

Apr 18, 2009 - 9:43 am 50. MikeD:

While I share the sentiments of most of you here, your protestations and dismay that Anderson Cooper and Andrew Sullivan are jerks, and that the “left” and the MSM have done the country a disservice isn’t showing me jack squat. Have all the polite tea parties you want but I doubt, lamentably, that any of you are going to live long enough to see your largely symbolic gestures bear fruit. Times have changed, new rules now apply. ACORN, the DNC and the socialist left (the enemy, for that is what they truly are) don’t play by the old rules–they have been showing you that for at least 50 years if you cared to pay attention. But you insist on being “reasonable” and ranting about how mean and wrong they are–people will wake up, you insist, and throw the evil bastards out in 2010 or 2012! Your reasoning sounds a lot like John McCain all over again. Be nice, reach across the aisle brothers, embrace your fallen, poor misguided fellow citizen! That fellow citizen, I’m afraid, is Barney Frank and he will undoubtedly smile sweetly as he bends you over the communion rail once again.

Mao was right. To paraphrase him–”solutions come out of the barrel of a gun.”

Let me know if you ever decide to get serious about your concerns. And spare me your faux outrage that violence is not the answer. Throughout history it almost invariably has been and the world is no more civilized today than it was 50, 100, or 500 years ago. Your dismissal of that realization simply shows you just want to make signs and blather on blogs. Not very effective, but if that makes you feel better…………

Apr 18, 2009 - 9:45 am 51. LeighB:

MikeD–you may want to check out the responses to the Texas story…and just because people are polite here, don’t assume they/we are not deadly serious.

Apr 18, 2009 - 9:54 am 52. ked5:

gee. those pwoor wittle ‘eftie media wacks must be so scwared.

and MikeD – I agree with Mao’s quote. The founding father’s understood that – they didn’t have some bloodless revolution either. It doesn’t mean it’s the first choice, but the only choice between freedom or death.

Apr 18, 2009 - 9:58 am 53. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: Agent Provocatuer Alert?

Mao was right. To paraphrase him–”solutions come out of the barrel of a gun.”

Let me know if you ever decide to get serious about your concerns. — MikeD

I’ve been waiting for some baiting using that form of line.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. The REAL indicator will be when the government requires US to give up our privately owned weapons….and I expect something like that to show up during the next 12 months.

If it doesn’t, I’ll be the happiest of individuals……

Apr 18, 2009 - 10:04 am 54. Sherab Zangpo:

#49 Mike D.

Sir, allow me to disagree with the tone and the content of your post.
I certainly agree with the diagnosis of the problem (the subversives WILL indeed subvert Freedom) I disagree with the solution.
In fact, I did recently quote in an article the same sentence by mao that you use (“The barrel of the rifle gives birth to political power”). I quoted it as an example of the cultural and spiritual pollution that we must NOT allow to stain us.
Truth is the Source of Just and Good Deeds, not the rifle. The rifle can DEFEND the Republic but the Republic must first live in the souls, in the spirit, in the hearts and minds of the People.

And here we may agree that the subversives have gone a long way in destroying the Republic in the souls of many, too many.

We will save the Republic by gathering around Truth, and around the Immense Truth of the Infinite Love of God first.

When the People will throw up watching the photos of the President shaking hands with a thug like Chavez, the Republic will be safe.

To this goal, we have a lot to work…….

Thank you for the opportunity to comment.

Apr 18, 2009 - 10:06 am 55. Will:

The tea party themes, unlike those of the oppositional press and pundits, emphasized the problems created for our future: huge increases in total taxes (income, state, carbon, lifestyle, etc.), in deficits, in regulation, and in government intrusion. The opposition emphasized the near term “reduction in taxes” for 95% of the population, a purposely deceptive argument in that only federal income taxes are reduced, while other taxes now, as well as in the future, are increased.

Apr 18, 2009 - 10:07 am 56. Steve:

Hi all. The Onion has a pretty humorous bit on how the MSM currently treats Obama.
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/media_having_trouble_finding_right?utm_source=a-section

If the link doesn’t work then go to http://www.theonion.com and look under recent headlines for the headline “Media Having Trouble Finding Right Angle….”.

Apr 18, 2009 - 10:38 am 57. steveg:

#54 I am expecting a photo of Obama, Hugo and Fidel together any day now. This is moving faster than I thought it would… We can call them the Marx Brothers.

Apr 18, 2009 - 10:41 am 58. PM:

Delia,

I agree. I support a simple across the board tax on income. 15% or so. No deductions. No excuses. No tyrants.

Apr 18, 2009 - 10:48 am 59. bullwinkle:

“8. Delia:

7. Rachel Peepers,

No, hon. It won’t be New York Times littering the pans of bird cages…

…It will be our dollar bills.”

Reminds me of a cartoon I saw years ago, of a man sitting in a stall with no toilet paper. He asks the fellow in the next stall if he has some extra. He replies “no, just enough for me”. The first man then asks, “any newspapers or candy wrappers?”. Sorry, no is the reply again. Then he pulls out his wallet and asks, “singles for a five?”

Apr 18, 2009 - 10:49 am 60. BJ:

The Tea Parties were a great start. It gave voice and focus to the critical issue and that is the necessity for Government, at all levels to be Fiscally Responsible, Limited in Scope and Faithful to the compact enacted to give our government it legitimacy, The Constitution. If the fight to restore a government, true to the founding principals is not successful, then further conversations about social issues are irrelevant. And, I agree that it is essential that there be a followup on July 4th.

Many people have expressed a willingness to support candidates from third or fringe parties if they adhere to core principals. While noble in intent, this is a sure way to make certain the Statists stay in power. Remember 1992? Ross Perot’s campaign only served to elect Bill Clinton.

Many are waiting for new leadership to evolve that will galvanize the “movement” and lead the way to electoral success. But waiting for someone else to raise will reduce the chances that it will actually happen.

Organizers of the Tea Party events were correct in keeping politicians out. Rather than allowing the Republican Party to co-op the Tea Parties, the reverse needs to happen. The Tea Party participants need to take over the Republican Party. It already has the organizational structure to operate at all levels of government as well as the mechanism for primaries. But it needs new leadership.

There will be thousands of local elections between now and November 2010. This is where we can begin to take back our Government. Want to break the power of the Teachers Union? Put true Conservatives on the School Board. Gain control of the City Council and County Board and start searching for a new generation of candidates to run for Congress.

We actually have the opportunity to completely change the direction of the country by electing a new majority to the House and a third of the Senate. From this new group of leaders will emerge those who can take the White House away from the current occupants.

If everyone who attended a Tea Party would register with their local Republican Party so they have a vote in its leadership and devote just one day a month to active participation, there will be a totally new Republican Party by this time next year with a whole new slate of candidates dedicated to right sizing the Government, Personal Responsibility and an Accountable Capitalist Economy. If those who we elect change when they get to Washington, they need to know that those who put them there are paying attention and will fire them as soon as the next election.

We can no longer wait for someone else. Recent polls show that 50% of adults in this country favor the Socialist agenda. Those are the same 50% who no longer pay taxes. And their representatives in Congress and this Administration have shown their utter contempt for our opinions. Compromise is no longer an option.

We are responsible for our own futures and those of our children and their children. Those who chose only to shout and carry a sign without taking the actions necessary to become actively involved will have abdicated their right to complain in the future as this County is transformed into the new global ideal of Statist Socialism. Making a statement is important. Making a difference is more important.

Apr 18, 2009 - 11:10 am 61. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Steve, et al.
RE: ‘Killer’!….

….tongue firmly in cheek….as opposed to check.

I wonder if The Onion is looking to draw in a ‘lightening strike’ on their satire.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. As an additional thought, I have to wonder what sort of response the so-called MSM will make. Anythink like as is portrayed in the article?

Apr 18, 2009 - 11:16 am 62. Lily:

What the protesters seem to understand that silly CNN’s reporters don’t seem to have the brains to figure out is that its not the 2009 or 2010 tax rate that is at issue – ITS THE SPENDING. And this spending will REQUIRE much higher taxes in the future to even service the interest on the debt. On all of us.

And the $400 tax rebate won’t even come close to covering increases cost of energy and purchases as a result of Obama’s planned cap and trade scheme.

Apr 18, 2009 - 11:18 am 63. Meryl:

51LeighB..thank you for your answer to Mike.

Great insight in your observation that just because we’re polite (for the most part!) doesn’t mean we’re not deadly serious.

They have mistaken our tolerance for stupidity and our silence for cowardice. That may turn out to be our greatest advantage as things heat up.

When they realize that they have already expended their greatest strengths(intimidation, dirty talk, lies and thefts) and have nothing left to carry them through the battle, we will just have gotten started.

Apr 18, 2009 - 11:29 am 64. fred:

BJ,

Thanks for the encouraging post about the true meaning and scope of the Tea Party Movement. We have to build on this in order that our nation can be gradually regained from the clutches of the collectivists and the institutions that they now control. Fiscal responsibility is the essence of this. That is the point that the MSM hacks seem to not understand, including that shrill shill from CNN, Ms. Rosengen. These people are absolutely dumbfounded that so many people, whom they consider to be among the “fortunate 95%” are participating in this movement. They really do not understand why people who ostensibly will get “tax breaks” or not see their taxes raised (this shibboleth is taken at face value)would come out and protest the fiscal and economic policies of Obama and the Democrats.

But we see the bigger picture. The stunning deficits that will run out as far as the eye cannot see, and the new entitlement programs along with the Porkulus Bill that was passed as an economic stimulus, are all trojan horses meant to remake our country into a Euro-socialist entity. There is also the cap and trade taxation of energy that will fall heavily on consumers and taxpayers, the subsidy of which will surely have to come from a reach down much lower than $250K. Obama’s promises are hollow, since he has a habit of saying one thing and doing another.

Apr 18, 2009 - 12:17 pm 65. Commissar Obamissar V:

Faux News is indeed BALANCED. Imagine the scales of justice. Faux sits in the tray on the right. CNN, MSNBC, NBC, and CBS sit in the tray on the left. Add up all the viewers in the left tray and they equal the viewers in the right tray.

Apr 18, 2009 - 12:50 pm 66. John Galt:

Ridicule has long been a powerful propaganda tool. Ayn Rand noted just that in The Fountainhead, when villain Ellsworth Toohey explains that he would “Kill by laughter. … One doesn’t reverence with a giggle.” Professional rabble-rouser — er, “community organizer” — Saul Alinsky’s rule five was: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” And that’s exactly what we’re seeing on display all across the left side of the blogosphere and the MSM.>>
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Ridicule is a childish behavior that shows that your opponent is in fear of losing the argument.

No one bothers to ridule someone that they don’t rear!!! It means that you are on the right track and all you have to do is not respond to their childish behavior and stick to your principles and goals.

—————-
You Tease What You Fear

Ridicule is born out of fear. It is a product of the ego’s fear of annihilation and we are all guilty of it. It is the unconscious reaction to anyone who we feel is closer to success than we are, or who threatens our view of the world. We judge others when we are stuck in the unconscious mode of needing to be, or knowing what is, ?right?. Look around and watch for these types of judgmental actions. You might be surprised how often they crop up not only in others, but in yourself.

When we ridicule someone, be it out loud mockery, complaining or silent scorn, we are doing so out of our own insecurity and fear. That co-worker you can’t stand, annoys you only because you are afraid that he will succeed before you do. It doesn’t matter how annoying that person may be, your scorn has nothing to do with their actions and everything to do with your fear that someone who is “inferior” will be found to be “better” than you.

When we scorn those we do not personally know, it is less out of fear of failure and more out of fear of being “wrong.” This is especially true in the world of science. Research scientists in the field of quantum physics have long had to endure the derision of skeptics who were afraid of being wrong and having to admit that there might indeed be something they did not yet know or understand.

Focusing Teasing Into Creation

If you are experiencing such mockery and derision, know that there is something you can do about it. You cannot control the thoughts, feelings and actions of others, but you can control how they affect your life.

First off, realize that if ridicule is coming into your life there is probably a very good reason. You are being viewed as somehow dangerous. No one picks on the town drunk, because he is no threat to them. Everyone assumes he is a harmless failure. We mock those who appear somehow threatening to our pride, our careers or our health. The dumb scorn the smart, the inept scorn the talented and the weak scorn the strong. It is hardly ever the other way around, that is to say the talented do not scorn the inept unless they are unsure of that ineptness.

Ridicule only goes up the “social food chain.”

Teasing is like a social barometer, the more you are derided, the more likely you are to be on the right track……..

Live Through Principles

If you want to focus your ridicule into a creative force, you must be careful not to fall into the same unconscious trap that your opposition have encountered. You must not lapse into fear or you will find yourself defeated by their jibes. If you can stay your course and live through your principles you will find succes……..

complete article on link

http://danielroach.org/blog/how-to-transform-teasing-and-overcome-ridicule/

Apr 18, 2009 - 12:54 pm 67. Jack:

Every time the left has a rally you call them whiners and say they are wasting their time. Hannity called them sore-losers when the left had rallies after Bush was elected.

Why do you think your rallies are going to be (or should be) treated with any less derision/contempt?

Not saying it’s right, but honest is honest.

Jack

Apr 18, 2009 - 1:14 pm 68. longun45:

The Tea Partys were just the wake up call. It was to put Washington on notice, yes we are paying attention. We watched wholesale robbery with the bailing out of the Fed and the governments gambling losses. We got a tax cut of $13.00 a week and some jerk butmunch from Chicago thinks he actually did something. The tax tables did not change ( last time I looked). What he didn’t realize that he just slapped the US worker in the face. The POLESITTERS at CNN, CBS, NBC, ABC have also slapped us in the face with a reference to “teabagging” which I had no notion of what that was. (It didn’t take long to figure that out.) Now we know how the polesitters at the Lame stream media got ahead ( so to speak).

This was just a first effort and there will be more of them, and they will get better organized and become more coordinated. We will become the force to be reckoned with a much larger majority than any left wing organization. Many of the left wing groups are very coordinated and claim to be independent. We know that to be a fallacy. Just look at their boards. We know who is running them. We have the rules and we will learn to use them and make up a few of our own. Yep, those teabaggers and polesitters on the “major” networks better get their best shots in early, cause it all they are going to get.

Apr 18, 2009 - 1:23 pm 69. Jack:

#50 MikeD – By insinuating that you can only solve this problem at the end of the gun is to admit you were bested by the other side who did not need to resort to violence. I guess that is also an indication that you know your side isn’t smart enough or persuasive enough to win without killing people (or threatening to).

Makes one wonder which side is acting in a fashion befitting Americans…

Jack

Apr 18, 2009 - 1:25 pm 70. Oscar the Grump:

#6 Jordan
That was a slick little trick that the blogger used. Go in with some facts that are out of context throw them at people who haven’t researched the matter and couldn’t possibly have any answer. Well prepared, well done.

What this all means is that the left is really scared to death that this tea party had some real effect. Different people went out for different causes and that’s OK. When the left had its demonstrations people carried signs from PETA, anti war, anti Israel, anti Bush (personal attacks) etc. Each person there had his/her own agenda.

The more they howl the better it is. It just means we made our point and made it well. LOL America!

Apr 18, 2009 - 1:28 pm 71. Oscar the Grump:

Delia
Thank God we never say anything off color!

Apr 18, 2009 - 1:28 pm 72. paul_unalaska:

Anderson Cooper’s using the derrogatory term twice in a 40 second span, and throwing it in as if he’s somekind of novel funny man had me thinking about the cartoon of the bruising bulldog wearing the derby hat and the irritating, kiss *ass runt dog lapping at his heels, ‘..ain’t that right boss, ain’t that right..?’ (I’m but 33 though the 80’s replayed classic cartoons from yesteryear, remember?)

Anderson Cooper is that runt dog. His persona, IMO is his irritating attempts to be ‘in’ on the joke, kissing up to the ‘cool kids’, etc.,

Coop, Alinsky would be proud..

Apr 18, 2009 - 1:55 pm 73. Dave:

“You want to know why the majority of hard-working, tax-paying, family-supporting, community-serving patriotic Americans dismiss the right? Take a guess.”

This fool is clueless. Obama lost that part of the vote. He got to where he is mobilizing the hate-filled professional victim, hand-out loving, never worked a day ungreatful college kid, anti-American vote.

Apr 18, 2009 - 2:19 pm 74. kenny komodo:

I didn’t know what the term “teabagging” meant to the perverts until I looked it up so I can see that the very fact tea PARTIES were held is frightening and little understood by the leftards. The more they try to humiliate, to demean or to just outright insult those who support and participate in tea parties the more you can understand how much fear there is on the left. They know full well they have sold their souls to the devil known as Obambi and once they have grabbed that tiger by the tail are now stuck with him…they can’t let go. So they try to make republicans and conservatives feel abused or stupid with their childish insults all the while, secretly I’m sure, wishing they could just jump off the Obambi ship and rejoin the American people. And isn’t just too funny that when you hear a liberal call in to a talk show they almost always center their arguments around President Bush, the all evil, all horrible, all mean and war mongering Bush. Now why is it that Obambi is taking up some of the very same positions as the evil Bush? HMMMMM????? Gee could it be that President Bush was right?????

Apr 18, 2009 - 2:55 pm 75. Hyphenated American:

It’s quite possible that the only solution to the current problem will be secession. I think Texas can lead the way, followed by a few Southern States. Maybe Alaska can join them too. I don’t see how any other idea can work – the socialist thugs are taking over, and majority of the population is too stupid to see what is happening.

Apr 18, 2009 - 3:33 pm 76. d2e:

“Ayn Rand noted just that in The Fountainhead, when villain Ellsworth Toohey explains that he would “Kill by laughter. … One doesn’t reverence with a giggle.”
HEY! My name is Toohey and I resemble that remark… Also, why not redicule THEM? There just isn’t that much material for God’s sake? You could rag on Garafalo for years…

Apr 18, 2009 - 3:46 pm 77. Charlie:

Taxes, smaxes.

It’s about the spending. Spending at a level that will require huge tax increases down the road. I just read that each of my college-age sons will pay $1.14 million during his lifetime *just toward the interest* on Congress’ spending over the last six months”! For bills that weren’t even read, much less discussed, debated, analyzed, experts listened to… Kids born in the coming weeks and years have already most definitely been taxed without representation.

I’ve known what “teabagging” is since before the term reached escape velocity from the gay community. It’s slang with all kinds of humor potential. But watching the Bozos you are talking mouth the word in weak stabs at the most smirking type of innuendo is especially hilarious… like watching them saw off the limbs they’re sitting on.

Apr 18, 2009 - 3:53 pm 78. Meryl:

The tea party/rallies were full of good humor, happy people, American flags, strength, hardworking people, children who were smiling and having a good time, people singing well known patriotic American songs, no filthy language, no anger, well-managed time….all in all, nothing at all like the negative and nasty liberal gatherings (the convention in Denver is the most recent that comes to mind–there were so few American flags there, except the ones on stage), and there certainly are no chants of “USA, USA” at the leftist rallies.

So you former Americans who want to dump on the tea parties as being “just like all other rallies” I point out to you that that is not true.

Can you understand that we know when you are lying?

Can you understand that we are knowing you better all the time? One of the things that we learned this week about you is that apparently all of you knew what the filthy homosexual gags were about, and many of us had to look it up or guess at it. So we learned that about you. Filthy talk is increasingly one of your primary weapons, even to the point of your media heroes having nothing else to fall back on.

You are rotting from within.

We sincerely look forward to learning that this now apparent and public rot is just the beginning of your total collapse.

There isn’t enough water in the country to shower you clean. “Shameless” is the still the most useful word I find for you. You do shameful, shameful things repeatedly and publicly and it would never occur to you to feel or acknowledge shame.

But I’ll say it anyway–Shame on you.

Shame on you.

Apr 18, 2009 - 4:16 pm 79. Delia:

49. Chuck Pelto,

Yeppers, Sir. Not a whole lot of math [or common] sense on the left side of politics. -Just a lot of screamy me-me types. As Michelle Malkin says, “Get the WHAAAAAAAAAmbulance!”
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58. PM:

“I support a simple across the board tax on income. 15% or so. No deductions. No excuses. No tyrants.”

PM, that sounds dreamy! If only huh? I think we could ALL accept that amount of tax if everyone and I mean EVERYONE paid (except for babies of course, ha-ha).
~

59. bullwinkle:

Bwahahaha! That cartoon sounds familiar! Great analogy…he-he.

65. Commissar Obamissar V:

ROTFL! That post was hilarious [and frighteningly realistic].
~

71. Oscar the Grump:

“Thank God we never say anything off color!”

I know, Oscar! We are innocent and pure as the driven snow. *adjusts rusty, tainted halo and then lets out a Beavis & Butthead laugh*

Everyone should take heart that the troll activity is a brewin’ which means we are definitely making waves and the Left aren’t too happy about it.

Let them call us Nazis, Racists, War-Mongers etc… Who cares? They aren’t going to shut us up!

Apr 18, 2009 - 4:19 pm 80. robertl:

Ellsworth Toohey? Don’t you mean Paul Krugman? I ALWAYS confuse the two…

Apr 18, 2009 - 4:22 pm 81. red:

—–Master baitors (he-he)? Seamen (he-he)? Gloryholes (he-he)? Dishwasher safe sex toys (he-he)?

You know what the phrase “not a leg to stand on” means? If you didn’t, you do now. —-

Does anybody posting here have a clue what One of my Own is talking about?!?!?!?!

Apr 18, 2009 - 4:23 pm 82. Sebastian Shaw:

Red (#81), think MSNBC’s use “teabagging” & using other dirty sex puns. That’s the only conclusion I’ve come to. On Of My Own thinks he’s being smart. Instead, he’s just being a smart-A**.

Apr 18, 2009 - 4:47 pm 83. Delia:

81. red,

LOL! Yes, I know what OOMO is referencing but you’ll have to wade through a lot of hilarity to find them:

http://pajamasmedia.com/edgelings/2009/04/10/a-commentor-bestiary/

-But, here was my guilty-as-charged-and-not-ashamed-of-it post in quotes:

“24. Delia:

13. Roy Lofquist,

Nuh-uh. I’m not takin’ the bait, you master-baiter!”
~

Dun-da-dun-dun-dunnnnnnnnn!

[Psst! Shh. I've said much worse things to vivo. he-he].

Apr 18, 2009 - 5:10 pm 84. L. Davis:

Obama seems to neglect, forget, or not care that he is ’suppose’ to be the President for ALL Americans, not just the ones who broke laws all over the place to put him in office. He and his ‘cabal’ scream ’shut up’, we won, it’s our turn” at every suggestion of opposition to their ‘truths’.

Well the American public is pissed – - and they won’t shut up and they will not put up with an administration that choses to bully people by threatening them. That’s what the tea parties meant…… the disgusting innuendos from the likes of Cooper and the MSNBC crowd were not understood by most average people, because they don’t surround themselves with the types that find it sophisticated or amusing. Once we were all ‘educated’ on what it meant, it came as no surprise. It was just confirmation that these people are sick in their heads, and need psychiatric help.

Apr 18, 2009 - 5:12 pm 85. Charlie Martin:

It’s probably worth remembering what Ghandiji (who had a lot more immediate effect than Ayn Rand, much as I like her stuff) said:

“First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win.”

Apr 18, 2009 - 5:27 pm 86. LeighB:

63Meryl, Happy to respond. Politeness is not weakness just as bullying is not strength.

Americans have a pretty good understanding of economics, whether it is their own checkbook, the issues they talk about around the kitchen table, and what they have to do today to prepare for a brighter future, whether it is sending their kids to college or being in a position to retire someday. And thanks to the quality of our educational system and the availability of high quality business information (have to look a bit harder for this), some Americans have a fairly sophisticated understanding of business and government economics. We know there is no free lunch and if it sounds to good to be true, it usually is.

What I like about the TEA parties is seeing the signs and hearing about the people who usually don’t do this kind of thing. The signs are often homemade, not some corporate designed marketing branding like the famous O, and the messages are straightforward. Authentic. Heartfelt. Inspiring. Yes, a few are provocative. I’ll get fired up about someone likening Obama to Hitler when I hear the same people object to Bush and Hillary getting the same treatment. Politics is a contact sport. Ridicule and mockery can be used by all, if you can’t take it, don’t dish it out.

We are taxed enough already and spending money we don’t have is not a good long-term strategy. We can’t guarantee equal outcomes, the best we can do is strive for equal opportunity.

I’ll try to keep my sense of humor and hope others will do the same. Until the next round of TEA parties, I’ll finish rereading “Atlas Shrugged”, work on my signs, ask my sophisticated friends to explain the connect between TEA and scrotums, and keep tuning in to PJ Media.

Apr 18, 2009 - 5:50 pm 87. JeanE:

At one time, many people could be effectively silenced by labeling their actions and words with a vulgar innuendo such as “teabagging”. My mother would be terribly embarrassed and upset by such remarks if she knew what they meant, and like other respectable women of her day, might be shocked into silence.
I only learned the meaning of the term since MSM started tossing it around, but they are mistaken if they think they can embarrass me into silence. Since my childhood, the culture has been steeped in sexual innuendo, and I’ve raised my children in that culture. Unlike my mom, I’ve had so much exposure that I’m immune.

Apr 18, 2009 - 6:06 pm 88. Delia:

86. LeighB,

What a great post! I’m 100% with you! -And, keep that sense of humor, GF! Sometimes humor can get us through the darkest hours of our lives.
~

87. JeanE,

Ha! You too? Yeah, I’m beyond ‘blushing’ over things any longer…I think I stopped blushing by about age 17? Nowadays it takes a LOT to make my maw drop. The internet will definitely keep you up to speed at the pace of a few keystrokes on a google query. Be careful what you google though… I *WISH* I could take some Google searches back…Oh Lordy do I WISH!

Apr 18, 2009 - 6:19 pm 89. stevent12x:

All I learned from this whole hullabaloo is that the right has MUCH to learn about throwing a successful protest. Come on guys, you had the entire Fox network backing you up and that was the best you can do? Weak.

Apr 18, 2009 - 6:20 pm 90. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Charlie (Colorado) Martin
RE: Yeah….

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. — Ghandiji, as cited by Charlie Martin

Tell that to the six million dead Jews in 1940s Europe.

I suspect a better quote would have been….

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then they kill you. Emphasis added

At least that’s how it worked out for the Jews in Germany under Hitler.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[In this world there are tigers! -- T.R. Fehrenbach]

Apr 18, 2009 - 6:27 pm 91. Chuck Pelto:

P.S. And I suspect that’s how it went with the kulaks of Russia in the late 1920s and early 1930s…..

P.P.S. The only reason the Indians of Ghandiji ‘won’ was because the English believed in a powerful and righteous God.

Apr 18, 2009 - 6:30 pm 92. Ted:

I too was saddened by the MSM portrayal of regular hard working people concerned about the socialization of our country and the enslavement of our future generations with stifling tax loads and a devalued currency.
These hard working everyday folks rightfully concerned about the future of their children were portrayed as sexual deviants, conspiracy theorist, right wing terrorist and just plain stupid.
The simple fact that the left leaning media went so over board to discredit the Tea Party Protesters is because it scares them.
It is a ground swell event, the American people have had enough and something has to give.
Let’s drop this Tea Party nomenclature and call it what is, A TAX REVOLT.
The American Revolution may have started with a Tea Party but it was not called The American Tea Revolution.
AR 2 is here it is not going away.
It is not a process of celebrity and the too hip liberal educated pukes who are oh sooooo much smarter than the rest of us who work for a living.
It will find it’s voice, it’s leaders, it’s heroes and it will go forward.
You can start by letting the sponsors of the people that have offended you know how it feels.
Let them know how it feels to work all your life, fight for your country, pay your taxes and mortgage, raise your kids to respect authority, support them by buying their products, and be compared to a sexual deviant for voicing your concern that our nation is starting down the wrong path.

Apr 18, 2009 - 6:32 pm 93. stuart Williamson:

Alinsky’s rules are very savvy, and provided Ayers/Axelrod with the game plan for their bloodless socialist coup which placed a dedicated, red-diaper radical socialist in the Whit House.

However, his Rule #5 fails to note that ridicule can only be a successful political ploy if it exposes a falsehood, a fraud or a frailty. Ridiculing Jesus by exhibiting a crucifix in urine did not accomplish much for the cause of atheism. Obscenely mocking honest, spontaneous rallies by hundreds of thousands of serious-minded citizens is certain to be highly counter-productive for “journalists” . particularly since they are already held in even lower regard than politicians. It just provides further proof of their contemptibility.

Saint Saul of Chicago won’t help his disciples much here.

Apr 18, 2009 - 6:36 pm 94. Delia:

89. stevent12x:

“Weak.”
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Weak? Really? Then why are YOU here? Considering it was a WORK day for people that ACTUALLY WORK [i.e. not ACORN idiot f*cktards], I’d say the turnout was pretty damned GRAND.

The 4th of July will be even BIGGER.

Brace yourself, child. The grown-ups are taking back the country THEIR money paid for.

Apr 18, 2009 - 6:38 pm 95. Angry White Dude:

The liberals FEAR the tea party movement. Liberals can only call names…they have no ideas. That tool Garofalo calls us “redneck racists” that are only there because we hate having a black President. Here was my response to her…a wonderful black single mom who put herself through school and now has two degrees and is the picture of success. Take a look Mssss Garofalo and please respond!

http://angrywhitedude.com/?p=1518

Apr 18, 2009 - 6:40 pm 96. kentuckyliz:

I tweeted @andersoncooper: you outed yourself. No straight man thinks you can’t talk while teabagging. Apparently your mouth is full. #teaparty

Sorry for the disgustingness but that tables are begging to be turned.

I want the FCC to slap big fines on these disgusting incidents. This is worse than Janet Jackson’s wardrobe malfunction at the Super Bowl.

Where’s the FCC?

The media has died over the last couple of years. They didn’t do the due diligence on the Big O. They were advocates and not journalists.

Ordinary Americans aren’t stoopid, they’re on to the game. Hence, declining viewership, declining subscriptions to dead tree MSM, closing bankrupt newspapers. Roesgen is the latest example. OMG, whiskey tango foxtrot! Arguing with her interview subjects? Going in with an agenda straight off JournoList? Enjoy your vacation beeyotch because you’ll be scrubbing the toilets when you get back. Maybe if you’re well behaved they’ll give you a toilet brush after your next performance evaluation.

Apr 18, 2009 - 7:22 pm 97. Delia:

95. Angry White Dude,

Right on. I hope you don’t me interloping by sharing youtube line from your link here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sV6bNpNU4ls

That chile has SPUNK!

Apr 18, 2009 - 7:29 pm 98. Jerry:

Re GDT #11: Excellent point: “The lowest level worker and consumer always pays ALL taxes in one form or another. The government depends on a lack of basic understanding of macroeconomics to snow us with the “we aren’t taxing YOU – we are taxing that other guy” crap.”

However, GDT’s correct observation does not touch the edges of the full meaning of his statement. Not only does the consumer pay for everything, but a la Marx, he also produces everything. It is on this point that capitalists, Marxists and historians come together. The “means of production” are the people, including the bosses who hire the workers. Yes, business owner are part of the people too.

Government produces license plates in prisons using the capitalist model. Prison labor costs “bupkis” and so is very efficient. The Chinese and Irish immigrants built our railroads in the last century; nowadays the Central Americans pick our crops and landscape our homes; the Chinese, Indians and Pakistanis weave our cloth, build our toys and supply our computer and software support systems. The Ukrainians do our computer programming. When we are no longer rich enough to pay these people, we will indeed “Buy American,” but without the need for a campaign from government to do so.

President Obama has clearly told us, though no one was listening, that he wants to “end the boom and bust cycle.” He could not have been more honest. He wants an end to the capitalist system. He has attracted bright useful idiots who would not have normally signed on for such an excursion, but the boat has left the dock and is heading farther left than North Korea. By my calculation, the boat will reach the edge of the world and fall off in just under two years when Congress will either come to its senses or will rubberstamp everyone’s passport for entrance into the twilight zone.

Apr 18, 2009 - 7:34 pm 99. ked5:

1 Delia-

Here’s a rub in hollywood nose – to quote Princess Leia – “The more you tigthen your grip Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.”

I’m sure lefty Lucas never thought those he supports would be imitating his villians.

Apr 18, 2009 - 7:42 pm 100. Gozer the Carpathian:

I look forward to the next tea parties. Hopefully I won’t be busy and be able to attend. Unfortunetly I was too busy actually paying my taxes (no tax refund for me this year) and taking care of family stuff to go. That and the nearest event was out of town. *Shrugs*

Apr 18, 2009 - 7:49 pm 101. Rubicon:

Ya know…. if I was homosexual, I think I might be just a tad upset that CNN & Msnbc decided to use a sexual joke about gays, to mock others, thereby making me look like a fool & those mocking others to use my sexual preference to denigrate others they are attacking.
Maybe… just maybe, homosexuals, as well as minorities, should rethink their political party affiliations? Its just possible the other guys have more in common than the guys who have been selling you on the idea.
Look at it this way. Today homosexuals are used for a joke on others. Tomorrow blacks may be used, then Hispanics, etc. Using people to attack your enemies by denigrating those people, seems a bit sick to me.

Apr 18, 2009 - 8:26 pm 102. Bob:

Someone said in a post up above that the 2010 elections are going to be interesting. Who says we have to wait for the next elections?

The Tea Parties showed that there are a lot of us who are righteously pissed off at the shenanigans in DC. How about turning that momentum into circulating petitions and gathering signatures for a recall or two? If we really believe that power in the US belongs in the hands of the voters, then let’s exercise that power.

Chris Dodd’s looking really vulnerable at this moment….

Apr 18, 2009 - 9:04 pm 103. ked5:

84. L. Davis:

Obama seems to not care that he is ’suppose’ to be the President for ALL Americans

~~~~~~~~~~

He is the “I won” pre___ . the only one he cares about he sees everday in the mirror. He was happy to meet chavez and castro becase he wants to emulate them. He wants adulation.

Apr 18, 2009 - 10:03 pm 104. Войска ПВО:

TO: #49 Chuck(le)
RE: I’m Suddenly Reminded….

I loved that movie, Chuck! As an infantry officer, you must have had a special affection for it, I shouldn’t imagine.

So, once we do away with that pusillanimous little retard, “One of [his] Own” (by ignoring him), they’ll still be a lot of the trolls left (to ignore).

Thanks for your service and kindest regards,

Comrade Voyska.
["They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist..." - General John Sedgwick (1813-1864), last words]

Apr 18, 2009 - 10:12 pm 105. Bob:

To#7 Rachel Harry had a 44 magnum not a 357. “I know what you’re thinking. “Did he fire six shots or only five?” Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I kind of lost track myself. But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you’ve got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?” Personally I don’t feel lucky enough to avoid the new high taxes coming our way!

Apr 18, 2009 - 11:14 pm 106. The UnPatriot:

95. Angry White Dude:
97. Delia:

Monty, please give me door number two.

Thanks.

–The UnPatriot

Apr 18, 2009 - 11:36 pm 107. Delia:

99. ked5,

Leave it to YOU to reveal my true obsession with ‘Star Wars’. Gaw. I really am a Geektard. ha-ha! Yeah. Lucas is a total leftard. *sigh*

“Luke, I am your father…and a Republican.” dun-dun dunnnnnnnnnnnn!

Apr 19, 2009 - 1:14 am 108. Mr X:

Anderson Cooper said “its hard to talk when you are teabagging”. This is true–but only if Anderson is on the receiving end. I thank him for clarifying this.

Apr 19, 2009 - 1:56 am 109. UsaBruce:

I went to my local Tea Party in Bel Air, Md.,it was raining. I dressed for it and took an umbrella, determined to stand with the few hardy souls that would show up on such a dismal day. I was sure there would be no more than 10 or 20 people on such a rainy, cold, day. There were estimates of 800. I was astounded as I arrived to see so many dedicated Patriots. As we said the Pledge Of Allegiance and sang The Star Spangled Banner I looked at the people I was surrounded by. They were all ages, they were all working, responsible, patriotic, backbone of our country, people. I was proud to be amongst them. The statement I heard the most in my conversations that day was, ” I’ve never done anything like this before.” That’s because they were quietly living hardworking, family tending, taxpaying lives. It took this administration moving at warp speed to enact a socialist agenda to galvanize them. The MSM attacked the Good People of the middle class. They are nothing but an organ of the State, worthy of no respect. As for me, the opinion of someone that I don’t respect has no value. As their ratings steadily shrink, they are realizing that WE SURROUND THEM!

Apr 19, 2009 - 2:50 am 110. Brian Richard Allen:

Have to take this or that or the other of the communist news network’s fascissocialist psychopathology projecting pretty-boys at his word at what’s hard to do whilst tea-bagging. Hesheitthey has/have the advantage of me in that area of experience and/or expertise.

But insofar as is concerned Saul Alinsky’s rule five that suggests ridicule is man’s most potent weapon, let us never forget that self-loathing is at the root of what makes every eventually terminally degenerate sexually-deranged girly-boy tick — and that Ms Cooper has been granted no exception to the Rule. We shall in the end best assist the demise of his influence and that of every other of his ilk by treating him and it and all of them with the scorn and derision he and it and they all so richly deserve.

And when their moronic self-and-own-culture-loathing mobbed-up murtadd Muslim kowtowing to tyrants Mussolini-like “modified” Marxist (IE: Fascist) empty galabia, Mr Sa’id Michelle Saull Alinsky Reverend Wright Bill Ayres Frank Marshall Davis-Ubambi, is boiled right down, there is left only the flapping in the breeze empty petticoat whose fat-gutted Hummer-hipped loathsome and fearsome bare-armed amazon-wannabe “spouse,” even, cannot pass up any opportunity — even that he cannot be trusted to put the lid back on the toothpaste — to put him down.

And so we must all master Alinsky’s rules and never miss an opportunity to ridicule what is, after all, ridicule’s easiest target of opportunity:

Said Mr Sa’id Ms Michelle Saull Alinsky Reverend Wright Bill Ayres Frank Marshall Davis-Ubambi himself.

Surely the most dangerously dullard and ridiculous in a long line of the “Democratic” potty’s pathetic parade of pathetically pretentious pretenders to our nation’s presidency.

Brian Richard Allen
Los Angeles CalifO’ZEROcated 90028
And the Far Abroad

Apr 19, 2009 - 3:07 am 111. Gary Ogletree:

Only teabaggers I know of were coming out of the media closets, surprisingly well versed in homosexual porn. We partied at our local demo, which was family friendly. I doubt if any of us had ever heard the term until Anderson Cooper shared his intimate knowledge of it with the rest of us.

Apr 19, 2009 - 4:30 am 112. LeighB:

102 Bob–I think you have hit on a great idea and how we might band together and do even more. (yes, I’ve always wanted to be in a band! but enough about me)

Several of you on this thread will know how to get this done. What if we set up an organization like “Emily’s List” and we could donate to provide early money to candidates who reflect our values? (not Chris Dodd) I don’t think one party or the other is going to have the monopoly on candidates the TEA partiers might want to support.

Is this where you were going with your idea, Don? If not, it may be that my morning coffee jump-started my inspiration well ahead of my brain…

Apr 19, 2009 - 6:22 am 113. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Gary Ogletree, et al.
RE: Teabagging It

Well, as I’ve noticed with the homosexual community, everything boils down to sex with their ilk. And I mean EVERYTHING.

Who was that cretin over on another thread about 20/20 Mocking Use of Guns? He started alluding that people who supported ownership of personal weapons had ’small parts’. He’s probably a homosexual as well.

Homosexuals seem to be a one-trick pony when it comes to debate.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Gay is a one-word oxymoronic.]

Apr 19, 2009 - 6:52 am 114. Jack:

#113 – Or specifically you are referring to men, and it is commonly known that everything boils down to sex for men in general. Unless you have missed the whole “guys like sex” thing that’s popped up once in a while in our culture. Maybe try looking around the Internet a little if you need some confirmation…

Jack

Apr 19, 2009 - 7:10 am 115. Sebastian Shaw:

Rubicon, not all gays vote in lock step with the Democratic Party. I should know. I am gay & voted Republican for most of my adult life. I’m one of those gay conservatives & you would not know I was gay unless I told you if we ever met. I don’t flaunt it.

I find the gays who do flaunt it very boring & one note. So when they yell “I’m gay!” I’m thinking that’s nice, but what else do you do? If all they do is be gay as all of their existence, they just don’t get my attention in any way. I write them off.

Apr 19, 2009 - 7:10 am 116. Sebastian Shaw:

President Obama, the other Democrats, & the MSM will ignore the Tea Parties until they cannot anymore. The MSM will then go on the DEFENSE for the Democrats as we have already seen since the 2008 elections & primaries.

Apr 19, 2009 - 7:16 am 117. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Jack
RE: Try….

“…., and it is commonly known that everything boils down to sex for men in general.” — Jack

….to have a life, Jack. There’s much more to a real life than sex. Even for men.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[If you had a life in the first place, you'll never have a 'mid-life crisis. -- CBPelto]

P.S. Jack. Unless you’re a homosexual, I’d recommend paying a visit to your local Army Recruiter. Take the airborne-ranger option…..

Apr 19, 2009 - 9:17 am 118. Noesis Noeseos:

There is indeed a civil war raging, although not (yet) a war of arms. There are two large groups in America–the intellectual and cultural children of the Sixties, with all their socialistic clamoring for entitlement and personal “liberation,” against Americans who revere the older traditions of self-reliance and a moral grounding that has supported civilization throughout the ages.

It is doubtful that one one these groups will prevail over the other; the situation will remain tense. The kindest event that could happen would be a peaceful departure, perhaps with the traditionalists forming a nation that would stand centered on an line that ran from Texas to South Carolina. Of course, this will not happen. Even if it could be achieved without force of arms, wolves from all around the globe would gather to harry the two weakened nations.

The soundest event would be for a full implementation of federalism, the Tenth Amendment, but the entitlement majority would lose too much of the wealth they have taxed from the productive minority for them to allow this.

Therefore, expect something very nasty, violent, but inconclusive to occur. What it might be I lack the talent and information to predict. But that it will occur I have not the slightest doubt.

Apr 19, 2009 - 9:38 am 119. Jack:

#117 Chuck – I didn’t say I was one of those guys, but have you never heard about that? Do you think only gay men have strong sex drives? I’m not gay so I’m just noting the similarity between the male archetypes.

And unless you are a homosexual (or doing some kind of study), I’m not sure how you understand their mind-sets so well.

There is more to life than military service as well. Even for patriots.

Jack

Apr 19, 2009 - 9:45 am 120. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Jack
RE: You….

….obviously have missed my point entirely. And probably deliberately. So I’ll ignore your obtuse manner with regards to this business from here on.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[I am not placed on this earth to educate people who refuse to learn.]

Apr 19, 2009 - 10:02 am 121. Jack:

#120 Chuck – If your attempt to be deliberately obtuse backfired maybe you should try saying what you mean. Use your words.

Jack
[I am not placed on this Earth to learn from people who can't effectively make a point]

Apr 19, 2009 - 10:07 am 122. Delia:

121. Jack,

WOMEN have strong sex drives too and what they DO with their sex drives isn’t always right either.

Just because it ‘feels good’ doesn’t mean it IS GOOD.

Eh?

Apr 19, 2009 - 11:16 am 123. Jack:

#122 Delia – I wasn’t passing judgment on what is done with their sex drives, just pointing out that being gay doesn’t necessarily make you think more about sex (or act on it more) as far as I can tell.

Chuck just likes to be snarky rather than make a well thought-out point…almost like some kind of base impulse of some sort…

And God made it feel good because he likes to hear us call out his name, so it can’t be all bad

(ok, that last part was purely for comedic value…I couldn’t resist)

Jack

Apr 19, 2009 - 12:49 pm 124. JL:

#62. Lily:

Well said.

Apr 19, 2009 - 4:45 pm 125. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Jack
RE: Heh

Chuck just likes to be snarky rather than make a well thought-out point… — Jack

You wish.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Am I getting 'smart' with you? How would you know?]

Apr 20, 2009 - 8:50 am 126. Jack:

#125

[Eventus stultorum magister]

Jack

Apr 20, 2009 - 9:41 am 127. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Jack
RE: Indeed

Excellent projection on your part.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Rebuke a fool according to his folly, lest he think himself wise by his own conceit. -- Proverbs]

P.S. Why don’t you speak English, so that everyone can appreciate the ‘wisdom’?

Apr 20, 2009 - 10:03 am 128. Jack:

#127 Snark snark snark.

Too funny.

Jack

P.S. I said it in Latin to help you find google…thought it might help you do some research in the future so you can put a coherent thought together that is longer than “TO: x, blather, Regards, bracket statement, end”. Consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.

(in all seriousness, I often find your comments to be funny, however nothing much of substance…that’s all I’m saying)

Apr 20, 2009 - 10:43 am 129. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Jack
RE: Heh

….however nothing much of substance…that’s all I’m saying) — Jack

Look who’s talking.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. In all of this thread, I think I’ve said more of substance than you have. And, the reasonably prudent, casual observer will probably agree…..much to your chagrin……

Apr 20, 2009 - 12:03 pm 130. Jack:

#129 Chuck – No, I agree that I’ve done nothing of value in this thread whato-so-ever. The difference is I know it and it isn’t true about me in every thread I’m in.

But if it makes you feel better (like I’m more sophisticated) going forward I’ll do something really value-add like change my signature…

Jack(al)

(P.S. I know that wouldn’t be what you would have had me put in the parens after my name…I just had to point out that I knew that so you wouldn’t have to waste more of your valuable keystrokes to say it yourself)

(P.P.S. I think we’ve effectively dumbed this thread into non-existance. I’ll give you the last word and we’ll move on)

Apr 20, 2009 - 1:52 pm 131. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Jack
RE: Well….Don’t Sell Yourself Short…..

No, I agree that I’ve done nothing of value in this thread whato-so-ever.

(P.P.S. I think we’ve effectively dumbed this thread into non-existance. I’ll give you the last word and we’ll move on) — Jack(al)

You did more than your fair share in killing it. Especially your digression into the world of ’sex’.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. Thanks for your self-identification appellation. You’ll be seeing it around…..Jack(al)….

Apr 20, 2009 - 2:57 pm 132. Handy Andy:

Wow, Saul Alinsky is dead yet he somehow directs a monolithic media conspiracy. Indirectly this writer proves why so few outside of the talk show robot crowd take this stuff seriously; it’s mainly about raving crackpots and the old standard Communist conspiracy blather layered over some krypto racism. When did PJ get so right wing and anti-intellectual? From birth?

Apr 20, 2009 - 6:31 pm 133. Handy Andy:

Most of you people are such stupid small minded hypocrites, no hypocrite is the wrong word cause you are so self absorbed, self righteous and retarded that you can’t see the irony in your garbage! Take that moron Peeper, who has a mental age of 6 maybe, perfect example. That’s right, anyone who doesn’t take your juvenile nonsense and paranoia seriously is some demon, agent of MSM or a communists. Talk about narrow minded, you don’t even qualify as one dimensional! More like 0 dimensional, just a point on a plane: on/off, yes/no, good/bad, evil/godly, we/enemy, cons/communists
If you people are joking, then this is great parody.
Seriously, I mean it. It has nothing to do with politics, but stupid pigs is the best term to describe the lot here.

Apr 20, 2009 - 6:40 pm 134. Jack:

#131 Chuck – I feel it necessary to point out that you digressed into sex at #113, I just responded as you were making an unfair (IMHO) characterization that is only true of those that are vocal…i.e. those that don’t say anything publicly escape your notice and so don’t factor into your sample, and you don’t know the total population size, so it’s a tough argument to defend (once again, IMHO). Which is where I went with your comments lacking any real substance.

I said I’d give you the last word, and I will, but I couldn’t let it end on an innacuracy like that. Sorry for posting again.

Jack

Apr 20, 2009 - 6:47 pm 135. Pastor of Muppets:

MikeD: “Mao was right. To paraphrase him–”solutions come out of the barrel of a gun.”

Let me know if you ever decide to get serious about your concerns. And spare me your faux outrage that violence is not the answer. Throughout history it almost invariably has been and the world is no more civilized today than it was 50, 100, or 500 years ago.”

You morons make statements like these and then you whine like a bunch of babies when you find out that the government is monitoring you. Frankly, you nutcases deserve to be monitored.

It’s just sad and sick that you immediately turn to gun fetishism and violence when America rejects your racist ideology.

Just like the Taliban.

Apr 21, 2009 - 7:21 am 136. Sebastian Shaw:

Handy Andy is not so handy with his words; he trips over them with the greatest of ease, he cracks & bashes breaks on gashes, but what is this just for a tease? No, Andy is handy oh fine & dandy as long as you think like him.

Open your mind a little Handy Andy & let the tolerance flow. Free you mind & the rest will follow.

Apr 21, 2009 - 8:28 am 137. AThinkingPerson:

One only needs hear the volume of the shrieking coming out of the loonie-Left to know the Tea Parties hit their mark. No whining or hand-wringing coming out of the MSM can ever stuff the genie back into the bottle now and they know it. The more they doth protest the more they enrage and fan the flame of the American Patriots. Hindsight will be more than a little painful around the CNN boardrooms come 2012.

Apr 21, 2009 - 10:39 am 138. Sebastian Shaw:

The Left is in a tailspin alright. Watch out for the active volcano!

Apr 21, 2009 - 10:53 am 139. MikeD:

And as soon as you invoke the term racism, you lose all credibility, all respect, and all further attention. You got nothing to say maggot.

Apr 21, 2009 - 6:43 pm 140. Jack:

#139 MikeD – HAH! The guy preaching violence and taking up arms against his own country gets his nose out of joint for being called a moron. That’s prescious.

Don’t worry Mike, I don’t think anyone was looking for your respect or attention (unless it will get you some counseling).

Jack

Apr 22, 2009 - 7:08 am 141. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Jack(al)
RE: You’re Reminding Me….

HAH! The guy preaching violence and taking up arms against his own country gets his nose out of joint for being called a moron. That’s prescious. — Jack(al)

….of what an moron you proved yourself to be on earlier in this thread.

Tell US…..how many babies you’ve been responsible for the murder of?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out.....and Jack(al) is not going to like it.....]

Apr 22, 2009 - 8:02 am 142. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: Jack(al) Logic

#131 Chuck – I feel it necessary to point out that you digressed into sex at #113…. — Jack(al)

Anyone with more synapses to rub together than Jack(al) will recognize that the homosexual issue arose with item #111 here.

I responded to Ogletree and Jack(al), whom having taken exception to my observation, now strikes me as being a homosexual. Hence his umbrage.

It all makes sense now. And the self-applied appellation of “Jack(al)” makes all the more sense, carrion eaters that they are.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out......]

Apr 22, 2009 - 8:07 am 143. Jack:

#141 & #142 Chuck – Name calling, really? That’s the big answer, “moron”, “baby killer” and “yer gay”? That was what your powerful intellect came up with? See where I was going with the lack of substance in your posts?

Heck, it isn’t even accurate (again). You claimed that I digressed into sex. Well, you were wrong in relation to yours and my conversation, and even after I call you on it, you blame someone else for starting it. Either way, you were wrong, I didn’t turn it into that.

And as to me being gay, I’m not, but I don’t find it an insult so I could care less. And do you honestly think you are insulting me with Jack(al)? I came up with it!!

Now the baby killing thing confuses me tho. Why is MikeD being an advocate of violence translating to me being a baby killer? It’s almost like you lost your train of thought…

Jack

Apr 22, 2009 - 8:29 am 144. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Jack(al)
RE: I’m Just Sorry….

That was what your powerful intellect came up with? — Jack(al)

…it TOOK so long. But eventually, patterns of behavior DO manifest themselves and I’ll overcome my own unwillingness to think poorly of someone.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out....eventually.....]

Apr 22, 2009 - 9:09 am 145. Chuck Pelto:

P.S. About the ‘baby killer’ business….

Are you REALLY a card-carrying member of Densa?

Do you support abortion on demand, vis-a-vis Roe v. Wade?

Apr 22, 2009 - 9:10 am 146. Chuck Pelto:

P.P.S. Look up the term ‘countenance’….it might help….

Apr 22, 2009 - 9:11 am 147. Jack:

#144 Chuck – Um, ok? I’m sorry you are taking all of this so personally, but I doubt thinking poorly of people has been that much of a crutch for you…you seem to have it down fairly well from what I’ve seen.

#145 Chuck – I am pro-choice, but I think it should be restricted to the first tri-mester. Thank you for actually asking a question, big step. Let’s see if you can muster a response to me that is more than an insult (unless you don’t care about this issue and then by all means, trivialize it).

That said, what (again) does that have to do with MikeD suggesting taking up arms against the government? You seem to have a hard time staying on point…is this what they taught you to do in Mensa debate school…if you don’t like the question put to you, answer a different one? And then when you don’t get the response you want, keep doing it…maybe some day it will work…

#146 Chuck – Um, what? Seriously, do you think that is communicating…I have no idea where you are going with that. Should I just state a word? Ok, look up “artifact”…it might mean absolutely nothing…

Jack

Apr 22, 2009 - 9:54 am 148. Jack:

I win? You asked questions of my answer to MikeD, so can I assume I win since you didn’t answer? I won’t, but you avoided all of my questions (and I answered ALL of your implications) and you never defended my calling you a “mis-representer” (liar) several times, and you continued your short-non-answers like you don’t care enough to type a paragraph about any of these issues. I almost had you in a conversation (got you to ask a question) but you just walked away.

I’m not trying (again) to be a jerk, but I’ve tried to engage you in conversation NUMEROUS times and you just won’t. I can only assume (as I have before without you countering it) that you either don’t want to have a conversation or you are unable to debate. I don’t want to assume the worst, so I won’t, but that leaves me with you just don’t care that much.

To be fair, even after your most recent challenge (which I answered in less than an hour) that you decided you didn’t feel like answering any more, but then I guess that means you asked those questions to ask them and not to discuss them. Or, again to be fair, you didn’t think I was serious in my willingness to discuss them or more likely, knowing you, that I was too stupid to have a conversation, then I question why you ever deigned to speak to me.

With all of your loftiness and self-proclaimed Mensa membership and master of all things great and small (ok, I’m being snarky) do you (once again) care about these issues, just want to be snarky, want to have a conversation, or just have idle fingers and access to the Interwebs?

I guess we are done here, but I’m sure I’ll come across you again elsewhere. We are going to have the same tussle (sic) if you continue to not answer questions, avoid discussion, and keep having the lack of respect of the serious issues that face this country to only toss out one-liners and walk away. In my mind that’s sad.

And once again to be fair, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and take your non-answer to this as well as indication that you didn’t read this.

In hope of future DISCUSSION and not having to just continue to chuckle at you (as I said, you can be funny) and find you irrelevant on the stage of honest debate,

Jack.

Apr 23, 2009 - 6:40 pm 149. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Jack(al)
RE: Winner?

Hardly. You’re just not worth engaging. I consider you to be on a par with vivo (claiming he/she is between 7 and 11 years of age) and one on my own (a self-proclaimed twinkie-obsessed, overweight, post-operative trans-sexual with painful hemmoroids).

Hope that helps….but I have my doubts….

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. The only reason I drop by here now and then is to see if anyone else has offered anything useful to discuss.

P.P.S. You don’t qualify. But I felt obliged to allow others to recognize that you have not won this particular ‘field’.

Apr 24, 2009 - 3:41 pm 150. Jack:

Chuck – I’m sorry I had to goad you into answering (but it worked). All I really wanted to say was that I really hoped for better. Maybe you are just here to have fun, but I think the intellect you infer could be much more constructive. Maybe I have been reading too much into your press, but I hoped to have a good discussion with you and it didn’t happen. Maybe later under different circumstances. Anyway, best of luck.

Jack

Apr 24, 2009 - 5:38 pm 151. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Jack(al)
RE: Get Used To….

All I really wanted to say was that I really hoped for better. — Jack(al)

….disappointment.

Regards,

Chuck(le)

Apr 24, 2009 - 8:07 pm 152. Jack:

You’ve gotten me very accustomed to disappointment already. It’s sad really.

Jack

Apr 25, 2009 - 9:46 am 153. Dred Scott:

Sullivan only has to look at his Arnold in California to see where his proposes taking the rest of the country in terms of Conservatism and morality.

May 17, 2009 - 4:24 pm