I confess that I don’t know an awful lot about Mormons aside from the fact most of them live in Utah and, except for small bands of renegades, they gave up believing in polygamy over a century ago.

I’m not even certain they were ever true polygamists since by definition that word refers to the practice of having more than one spouse and, as far as I know, Mormon women weren’t permitted multiple husbands although the men folk could have as many wives as they could handle without the question of bigamy or trigamy entering the picture.

Personally, I think one wife is more than sufficient but that’s not the issue. I do agree with a Dutch proverb which holds, To marry once is a duty, twice a folly, thrice is madness.

Point is, if Mormonism didn’t permit women to wed and bed more than one hubby, were Mormons ever true polygamists? I feel there should be a better term since polyandry, if not strictly forbidden, was certainly not encouraged.

All that aside, the vast preponderance of Mormons today are married to one spouse. They seem to be a very industrious group as well as clean people, much like President-elect Obama was considered a clean African American by Vice President-elect Joe Biden. They also seem to be very religious people, I’d have to say an offshoot of Christianity but still Christians.

On and prior to November 4th, 2008, they demonstrated that religious fervor by generously funding the drive to pass California’s Proposition 8. That initiative was innocuous enough, a re-affirmation of the obvious, namely that a marriage consists of one male and one female, and not any other combination thereof. In any event, Proposition 8 passed in very left wing California and by a substantial majority which re-affirmed my fervent hope that Americans, and Californians, hadn’t gone totally off the deep end of common sense and of fundamental morality.

That passage, however, infuriated the gay community which was incensed that American citizens had exercised their constitutional prerogative and had endorsed the time-honored principle that a male wedding another male or a female wedding another female, or a guy marrying his pet frog, were distortions and aberrations of the institution of marriage, notwithstanding the views of the State of Massachusetts.

Gays went on a national rampage of protests, intimidation, and violence to show they disagreed with the Californian electorate. The rampage got them nowhere except free water and cupcakes when they demonstrated outside Pastor Rick Warren’s Saddleback Church.

So, the protests petered out and homosexuals regrouped and probably began planning their next effort to overturn the majority beliefs of Americans in 2010.

At this point, Forrest Gump entered the picture…

(Read the rest of this article at http://genelalor.com/.)

http://greensrealworld.blogspot.com/2008/12/california-liberals-utopia.html

Gay Rage Part II: “Die, Christian

arrest people parading naked in the various gay parades around the world and treat them like a heterosexual is treated: indecent exposure

there you will have equality

Your problem, and the problem of all those like you, is that you consider those of us with a different view of how society ought to be structured to be bigots. Not fellow citizens with viewpoints of their own and the freedom to vote representatives and urge laws that reflect their own considered take on the direction of society. Rather an easy out for you to dismiss everyone whose opinion does not match yours as evil, or bigoted so that you can feel yourself to be the righteous victim of your inferiors.

You have chosen to characterize my viewpoints as bigoted and therefore have done nothing to gain an ally. But that’s not what you’re here for is it?

Like all gays stampeding through the streets attempting to intimidate and frighten people, you think to coerce your opponents. There was a time not so long ago that I had no resistance at all to gay political and social aspirations. I have learned a lot since then. Apparently you have no clue as to the numbers of former supportive people that now look on you and yours askance. You are unlikely to meet us again if this is your chosen way to create the future you desire.

I have nothing to add to this other than to say that when people choose to go to war in preference to negotiation, debate, and reasoning they should take great care not to underestimate the enemy they are creating in the process.

This is not over by any means, it took many battles, in state and federal courts to overturn sodomy laws, but they were overturned. Great progress has been made in the fight for gay marriage. Can you imagine this even been an issue 10, 20, 30 years ago? Yet now some states have gay marriage and more will follow. Gay marriage failed by a few percentage points in California, which can easily be made up next time around.

It took a hundred years from the end of slavery in the US until blacks could drink from the same fountain and attend the same schools as whites. It has only taken 40 years from the time gays were bashed over the head by cops for entering a gay bar to gays serving in the halls of power in this country. If gays had not thrown a hissy fit 40 years ago in New York City during the Stonewall Riots they would not have gained so many of the rights they enjoy today. We are light years away from the days when men could be thrown in jail for entering a gay bar.

As to your dreams being crushed it the last election it was just your preferred candidate who lost, you didn’t lose any rights. In two years, in the midterm elections, you can try again. Perhaps if your right to marry was taken away, you would be having a hissy fit. Ultimately arguing against bigots like you is a losing proposition because prejudice is not a rational thought and therefore reason cannot defeat it. But with money, organization, visibility, and not backing down when attacked gays have made great progress and they will make more in the future. Anti-gay bigots are like a school yard bully, they will have their way until you fight back, then they back down and see the error of their ways.

Civilized society has a right to referee whether grievances are legitimate and, if so, how to address them.

Society, thus far, has decided Gays are protected in their private lives, but are no more free to engage in acts of public indecency than anyone else.

Society, thus far, has decided there are legitimate reasons for government, through taxes and law, to incentive traditional families as the primary basis for transmitting assimilating values to each succeeding generation.

Gays have no more right than any other group to expect society to change its view until it is convinced to the contrary.

Rational society is unlikely to be convinced merely because any particular group acts up.

A group that is serious about trying to change social views needs to get serious about (1) giving thought to whether their program really is good for civilization; (2) if their program is good, how to explain as much; and (3) addressing the concerns of opponents.

Thus far, Gays have done a poor and unconvincing job of addressing concerns of the opponents of their agenda.

Merely to make noise about pretended “rights” is not to address the concerns of opponents, nor will mere noise-making convince any rational person worth convincing. Rather, irrational noise-making tends to convince rational opponents that the noisemakers have no worthwhile counterarguments, i.e., that the noisemaking is mainly a reversion to infantilism — which convinces no responsible adult.

True, our founders resorted to “noise-making.” However, our founders (1) were not represented in the existing government, and (2) were willing entirely to undermine and replace the old government. Militant Gays, however, are represented in our existing government, yet still seem intent on undermining America. Thus, one who seeks to preserve a civilizing America has every reason to resist the Militant Gay Agenda.

When the activists go down into the black community and protest against them, whose numbers served to carry the vote for Proposition 8, protest against them in the manner that you are protesting the Mormons, then America will see that you at least have the courage of your convictions.

But all of you know what would happen to you if you did that, and so does the rest of the country who are watching this morality play out in California and observing the hypocrisy of those who demand their “rights” by participating in the democratic process but embrace terroristic tactics and blacklisting when the country won’t give in to their demands.

And Mark, I noticed your list did not observe that in every state where the vote of the people was respected, gay marriage as an issue has been thoroughly rejected by the people.

You can go back to your sideshow which is being broadcast to the nation and continue hemorrhaging former supporters, or you can perhaps gain a modicum of sense and realize that in a democratic society not all votes will go your way. Most of my dreams were crushed in the recent general election and I believe that there are millions just like me, but you don’t see us out having hissy fits in the streets because we did not get our way.

For us it will be a time of introspection, getting back to the basics, pulling ourselves together and understanding our need to present our vision through more appropriate representatives who are able to articulate the views that have long appealed to this center right nation, and through the democratic process continue to work for an America that we believe in.

Take a hint here. If you’re going to embrace the democratic process stop freaking out when the populace doesn’t bow to your every whim.

Are you sure you are not ready for a promotion? “Hurl bombs” in my post is used figuratively.