125 Comments

1. Tony R:

Nice try but you’re wasting your time.

Liberals are cowards to the core. They will only protest when they know there is absolutely no risk to themselves and their self-absorbed little lifestyles.

They protest with their fake outrage because it gives them a chance to release some of those pent-up feelings of anger at their own unfulfilled lives and not because they actually care about anyone other than themselves.

When you try and use logic and reason with a liberal just stand back and wait for the nonsensical tirade of abuse you will get in return. Its like trying to talk to a spoilt child.

Jun 18, 2009 - 1:40 am 2. Ed Wallis:

Bless you, Frank.

This is exactly the kind of civil scorn which needs to be thrown in the face of Leftist hypocrites.

We’ll not name the posting-from-mommy’s-basement-losers who post here….

I also enjoy the put-your-a§§-where-your-mouth-is approach: offer to buy them a one-way ticket to, say, Teheran, on the single condition that they profess their views just as vocally there to everyone they meet.

For some reason, most of these losers suddenly discover a sense of self-preservation.

Well, it ain’t patriotism, but – hey- it’s a first, stumbling step on the road to reality.

Jun 18, 2009 - 2:00 am 3. Harold:

Awesome.

Jun 18, 2009 - 2:09 am 4. CraigZ:

How dare you? Obama is seriously thinking of thinking of something and your wisenheimer attempts at funny are sure to scare him off. You’re like Jackie Gleason blowing up while watching Ed Norton prepareing to write or sign a document; he’ll just get him flustered.

Jun 18, 2009 - 2:34 am 5. CraigZ:

How dare you? Obama is seriously thinking of thinking of something and your wisenheimer attempts at funny are sure to scare him off. You’re like Jackie Gleason blowing up while watching Ed Norton prepareing to write or sign a document: he’ll just get him flustered.

Jun 18, 2009 - 2:35 am 6. Adina Kutnicki,Israel:

Simply put, the left loves tyrants and that is why they are silent regarding freedom seeking Iranians. An absolute disgrace.

They protect/align with Islamists, yet heap murderous scorn and outrage over Jews in Israel defending themselves, and even for building rooms for their children.

They are (im)moral degenerates of the highest order, hiding behind sanctimonious ‘human rights’ concerns.

In other words, human rights for tyrants, but NOT for those seeking freedom! Perhaps they are too afraid that real freedom will curb their uncontrollable urge to control the masses, wherever they are.

Jun 18, 2009 - 3:02 am 7. eon:

Actually, “progressive” thought on this subject goes something like this;

1. The Iranian government, like that in Zimbabwe, is the result of the noble striving against injustice of Jimmy Carter (a progressive icon).

2. Carter’s UN ambassador, Andrew Young (another idol) referred to the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini as a “saintly man”; therefore, his hand-picked successors are completely beyond any conceivable reproach. (Could such a man be bad, or wrong?)

3. Iran’s government is a needed “counterbalance” to U.S. power and Israel’s “continued crimes” (the latter defined as “continued existence”). Thus, it must be nurtured so as to remain so…until the progressives decide they no longer need it, at least.

4. As for those being beaten and killed by the regime’s thugs- if they are so stupid that they don’t realize they are living in a progressive Paradise, they deserve no better.

Figuring out why “progressives” behave as they do is easy. Once you realize you are dealing with shallow, pretentious, self-absorbed children who nevertheless believe they are the smartest people who have ever lived. And that anyone who holds an opinion different from theirs, on any subject, is too stupid to even take notice of.

clear ether

eon

Jun 18, 2009 - 3:47 am 8. Class Clown:

Maybe A’jad can use a hurricane to kill people he doesn’t like just like Bush did.

Jun 18, 2009 - 4:07 am 9. mishu:

Nope, not going to work. Iranians have a slightly different hue on their skin than white people here and have funny names. Therefore, Mahmoud can oppress all he wants. For a leftist to criticize him would be racist.

Jun 18, 2009 - 4:24 am 10. A. Far:

Great article. Liberals love foreigners that hate America.

Jun 18, 2009 - 4:32 am 11. Old Soldier:

Damn good. But a new I-Phone is out this week so they are all distracted.

Jun 18, 2009 - 4:34 am 12. Dawn:

Well done. But we are talking about the same hypocrits who oppose the death penalty for criminals but protect to the end a woman’s right to murder her baby.

Jun 18, 2009 - 4:42 am 13. jerryofva:

The Progressive class is behaving just like their predecessors in the movement did in the few days after Hitler doubled-crossed their hero Joe Stalin. They were silent while awaiting orders from Moscow on the new Party line. The worst thing a Progressive can do is get ahead of the Party because bad things can happen to you if you guess wrong. Progressives will not say anything about the situation in Iran until they get definitive word from the White House.

The Iranians are playing Obama like a finely tuned piano. Having done a little PSYOP during my career I understand what they are doing. They know that Obama has been seeking his absentee father’s approval all his life. He now sees his father in every third world dictator and seeks favor with them. The mullah’s recent charge of American “meddling” is sophisticated play aimed at this weakness. By throwing Obama’s words back in his face they believe that he will be silent on the subject and seek their approval by backing Ahmadinejad. I think that is a good bet.

Jun 18, 2009 - 4:52 am 14. Stella:

Frank, you are so clever!

Jun 18, 2009 - 5:18 am 15. rbell:

Dawn:

Good point. Maybe we should declare all fetuses to be potential murderers who need to be locked up and protected 24 hours a day, fed by the state, given free cable, medical care, a college education and a gym to work out in. Maybe then the liberals will let them live.

Here is why Obama won’t stand for freedom in Iran;

1) The Mullahs are Muslim and so is he.
2) The Mullahs rig elections and so does he.
3) The Mullahs are fascists and so is he.
4) The Mullahs control the media and so does he.
5) The Mullahs have brainless fanatics behind them and so does he.
6) The Mullahs donate money to US election campaigns and Obama takes the money.

What is there not to like about a phony election in Iran?

We have them in all 50 states. Congress has a 13% favorable rating an yet those running for reelection get winning margins of 2 to 3 to 1. How does that work?

Jun 18, 2009 - 5:23 am 16. gclarke:

Waste of Breath, or Ink.

Not one liberal read this piece.
Not one liberal commented.
Not one liberal, in prostration, has humbly sought redemption.

Nice try, though. And quite funny, Mr. Fleming. Quite funny indeed.

Jun 18, 2009 - 5:35 am 17. I drive down the dirt roads.:

I love this joke, and I hope President Bush and Dick Cheney get to read it.

>>”THOSE TEXANS”
>>Gabriel went to the Lord and said, “I have to talk to you. We have
>>some Texans up here who are causing some real problems ….
>>
>>They’re swinging on the Pearly Gates, my horn is missing, and they are
>>wearing T-shirts instead of their robes; there’s barbecue sauce and
>>picante sauce all over everything, especially their T-shirts; their
>>dogs are riding in the chariots and chasing the sheep.
>>
>>They are wearing baseball caps and cowboy hats instead of their halos.
>>They refuse to keep the stairway to Heaven clean, and their boots are
>>marking and scuffing up the halls of Wisdom. There are watermelon
>>seeds and tortilla chip crumbs all over the place. Some of them are
>>walking around with just one wing; and they insist on bringing their
>>darn horses with them.”
>>>The Lord said, “Texans are Texans, Gabriel. Heaven is home to all of
>>>my
>>children. If you want to know about real problems, call the Devil.”
>>
>>So Gabriel calls the Devil who answers the phone and says, “Hello —
>>hold on a minute.”
>>
>>When he returns to the phone the Devil says, “O.K., I’m back. What can
>>I do
> for you?”
>>Gabriel replied, “I just want to know what kinds of problems you are
>>having down there with the Texans.”
>>
>>The Devil said, “Hold on again. I need to check on something.”
>>After about 5 minutes the Devil returned to the phone and said. “I’m
>>back.
>>Now what was the question?”
>>Gabriel said, “What kind of problems are you having down there with
>>the Texans?”
>>The Devil said, “Man, I don’t believe this … hold on !!!!.”
>>
>>This time the Devil was gone 15 minutes and when he returns he says,
>>”I’m
> sorry Gabriel
> — I can’t talk right now!! Red Adair has put out the fire here!!!
>>and now Brown and Root is installing air conditioning!!!!.”
>>Always remember … TEXANS
>>SURVIVE …. despite the odds against us!!!

Jun 18, 2009 - 5:35 am 18. mnewman:

Great piece! I want so badly to send out a link to some liberal friends, but I’m already isolated enough. They would be humiliated and lash out as they often do. Oh well, I’ll just send it to those who will be amused and laugh out loud.

Jun 18, 2009 - 6:41 am 19. Broadsword:

Why they don’t care. It’s not Tibet. They actually think the Iranian people are evangelical Christians. They remember how the police in St. Paul, (where I sit) used flamethrowers and massed phalanxes on the ‘RNC welcoming committee’, and McCain, Palin and Bush were forceed to cover up the deaths of thousands because of the secret files Dick Cheney has on them. They are indifferent to Pistachios; now if it was sushi, or arrugala… Somebody exploded an H-bomb today; but it wasn’t anybody I know.

Jun 18, 2009 - 6:45 am 20. AwesometificAmerican:

Maybe The One is just waiting until he has taken control of every aspect of our lives so that he then can redirect the full might of our disapproval toward Iran. If we are too worried about quality health care, keeping money we earned, or having a strong vital economy then we can’t properly shake an impotent fist in Iran’s direction.

Then again The One does need proper examples on how to handle the electorate in 2010 and 2012. So maybe this is an example of all that understanding he keep prattling on about.

Jun 18, 2009 - 7:06 am 21. scooby:

I agree with all of you. But it will take another strike on our soil to make the new TOTUS think differant

Jun 18, 2009 - 7:48 am 22. Self-hating Boomer:

Waiting for the trolls to show up…NOT! They’re so lame, they actually would try to defend this.

Jun 18, 2009 - 7:53 am 23. scooby:

And it will happen soon,

Jun 18, 2009 - 7:54 am 24. Self-hating Boomer:

And I’ll tell exactly how they’ll defend it: their country is their business, and ours is ours.

Universal human rights is so…neocon.

Jun 18, 2009 - 8:03 am 25. Free Hat:

Ahmadinejad is worse than Hitler?

Really?

Statements like this are why people don’t take you wingnuts seriously.

Ahmadinejad has falsely claimed several times that American meddling is the cause of the election fraud. He is begging for evidence of this, which he can and will use to shut down the country completely, and suspend elections indefinitely.

Let’s please not be stupid enough to do exactly what Ahmadinejad wants us to do. Let’s use our tiny little brains to see through the trap. And let’s give the Iranian people the right that all citizens of all nations should have: the right to determine their own government without foreign influence.

Dear Republicans:

Stop viewing foreign policy as a game of rock ‘em sock ‘em robots and try to see it more like an endless game of chess. Also, stop viewing soveriegn nations like a tank full of sea monkeys that you intermittently poke and shake. Poking sea monkeys will not make them do backflips. Blowing up Iraqis will not make them adopt democracy. And the fact that after basically ignoring the plight of Iranians for the last eight years (that is, when Bush and Cheney weren’t threatening to bomb the crap out of them), you folks are suddenly compelled out of a sense of righteousness to insert your clueless, ignorant selves into the electoral process of a country of people who all you folks wanted to blow up just minutes ago, is about the most disingenuous, retarded strategy you can adopt. And, unsurprisingly, it’s the Republican strategy.

You want to show solidarity with the Iranians? Why don’t you offer them the same meaningless, empty gesture of solidarity that you show our own troops and throw a ribbon sticker on the back of your car.

Jun 18, 2009 - 8:05 am 26. Lily:

“Statements like this are why people don’t take you wingnuts seriously.”

We have the first humorless troll of the day.

Jun 18, 2009 - 8:19 am 27. FactsAreStubbornThings:

OMG…LOL

24. Self-hating Boomer posts: “And I’ll tell exactly how they’ll (the trolls) defend it: their country is their business, and ours is ours. Universal human rights is so…neocon.”

and the very next post

25. Free Hat: “And let’s give the Iranian people the right that all citizens of all nations should have: the right to determine their own government without foreign influence”

Priceless.

Jun 18, 2009 - 8:22 am 28. Peter the Bubblehead:

Gee, didn’t take liberal wing-nuts like Free (base) hat long to show up after you mentioned them, did it?

Jun 18, 2009 - 8:26 am 29. jerryofva:

Free Hat:

Mr. Fleming as mocking you and you are too stupid to get it.

Jun 18, 2009 - 8:31 am 30. MikeD:

Well, if it is not sheesh or David S it is Free Hat, showing up to justify our collective ridicule and disgust.

Jun 18, 2009 - 8:41 am 31. Self-hating Boomer:

Godwin strikes early. Even I’m surprised at this.

Jun 18, 2009 - 8:45 am 32. Moogie:

Mr. Fleming:

Excellent use of sarcasm and satire. The left is apparently immune to the humor imbedded in your message, which is unfortunate.

I am still not so sure that the Iranians are rioting for freedom and democracy. I am waiting to see the end-game here, but for different reasons that Obama (who is keeping mum by order of his mullah masters). I am waiting to see what will happen if Ahmedipwadajihad actually ends up being usurped. I have my doubts that much will change – it might be no more than a minor burp between administrations, but then I fear it will probably be back to business as usual.

Jun 18, 2009 - 8:51 am 33. Self-hating Boomer:

Ever had the feeling that these trolls are actually computer programs? They’re so predictable. And as artificial intelligence goes, they’re about right for a 386. They remind me of the leading edge AI programs about 25 years ago; sometimes coherent, often ludicrous, always lame.

Jun 18, 2009 - 8:51 am 34. Fragmentarian:

Good for a smile but when you think about it, it’s pretty frakking sad especially after Freea$$hat shows up to prove it’s all true. Then I want to weep. Remember just recently when dissent was the highest form of patriotism? Now that the Obamessiah supports the Iranian regime, even dissent by Iranians against this monstrosity is an inconvenient thing. Oh, the stupidity is collossal.

Jun 18, 2009 - 8:57 am 35. Paul from Hamburg:

Broadsword:
“Somebody exploded an H-bomb today; but it wasn’t anybody I know.”

Very nice

Jun 18, 2009 - 9:01 am 36. Gekkobear:

“Let’s please not be stupid enough to do exactly what Ahmadinejad wants us to do. Let’s use our tiny little brains to see through the trap. And let’s give the Iranian people the right that all citizens of all nations should have: the right to determine their own government without foreign influence.”

Right, clearly what the Iranian people want is to have a Government that brutally kills the Iranian people in the streets and guns down anyone that the Government doesn’t like.

Don’t think so? Well just look at the election results, 70% of the 110% of the population that voted, well they voted for oppressive crushing of the 40% who voted for the other guy. Who could doubt those numbers… I mean they had over 100% turnout for one, we don’t care that much about our government. Second they had millions of votes counted before people had even finished voting and closed the polls. They had the final result before they even started counting. Now that is true dedication to democracy. It takes forever to count votes here in the U.S. and Iran had the counting done before they started.

And in a democracy, clearly the majority has the right, in fact the duty to vote to have the other side killed by the Government. It’s the liberal way really. How do you expect to win reelection if you aren’t willing to have the other side put to death?

Trust me, I understand Free Hat, and if the Republicans win another election he will be one of the first against the wall… and he accepts and respects my position because he understands that winning an election means using the power of the Government to kill anyone who has ever crossed you.

Look at Obama and the laws he’s breaking to encourage corruption, firing Inspector Generals, promote people who donated to him, etc. Weak, he should be using the Military to kill the conservative enclaves around the country to ensure his perpetual rule… like any good President of a democratic country would do.

Right mad hatter?

Jun 18, 2009 - 9:11 am 37. Jack:

Ahhh gotta love the cries of “Godwin!”

When the quote in it’s totality… “And then there is the guy who stole his reelection — Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Let me put this in terms you can understand: Ahmadinejad is worse than Hitler and almost as bad as Bush.”

Hmm, it’s almost like there’s a subtext or a humor at work here.

Jun 18, 2009 - 9:14 am 38. Suzanne Wolski:

Here is a liberal who did read this entire piece. I found it amusing in many ways but certainly not accurate about Liberals. Liberals do not hate America, they do however dislike it when people assume they know all about how liberals feel and think. So I have to say I have read much more nasty crap from Conservatives than from Liberals.
Death wishes against the President, his wife etc Hate fueled rhetoric spewing forth on page after page. Most of these so called conservatives just love to hate, hate, hate and a great many are totally misinformed and probably listen to Fox News and Rush and believe everything those rednecks say. What a waste. Wishing the death of our president is not really very American either is it?

Jun 18, 2009 - 9:20 am 39. jerryofva:

Let’s face it events in Iran could prove to be a real narrative breaker on the order of the Wall coming down for the Progressive mindset. It has been reported that HAMAS thugs have been imported by the regime to put down the protests. Whether this is true or not, it is a reflection of public sentiment that could be the harbinger of a rapprochement with Israel if by some slim chance the regime is overthrown. If Iran no longer funds HAMAS or Hezbollah these terrorist groups will whither into insignificance. Then the world will see it is the Arabs and not Israel that is the roadblock to Middle East peace. Non-Jewish Progressives will be forced to confront the fact that their anti-Israeli sentiment was a product of anti-Semitism while your typical Jewish Progressive will have to face the reality that they were being used by people who would consign them to a second Holocaust. Neither group can accept this. This is why Obama and his minions will throw their support behind the mullahs and the thugs that keep them in power.

Jun 18, 2009 - 9:22 am 40. Self-hating Boomer:

Incidentally, I wonder what the trolz have to say about Teh One’s campaign promise (so far unfulfilled) to help the Darfurians, with military intervention if necessary. I mean, that’s so neocon. And besides, how do you decide which side to fight on? I mean, lots of Black Christians and Animists are being slaughtered, but the Arab Muslims have a valid POV, too (besides, they have rich uncles in Riyadh)…

Jun 18, 2009 - 9:24 am 41. Self-hating Boomer:

38, now read the comments, and then try to tell me that those who presume to speak for the “progressive” ideology aren’t exactly the kind of small-minded predictable automata that simply confirms the caricatures.

Jun 18, 2009 - 9:39 am 42. Self-hating Boomer:

And BTW, can you actually provide any…umm…evidence that there are “page after page” of “hate, hate, hate” wishing “death to our president”?

Jun 18, 2009 - 9:41 am 43. Mo:

What a fantatic article! THIS is the sort of thing that needs to be making headlines so that everyone will see it. Instead, it’s in a little corner of the internet. That is a shame.

I remember a few years ago when my liberal friends were still talking to me. (They are no longer. All that ‘tolerance’, you know.)

I would often post on my journal about Islam and terrorism. And it always stuck out to me that there was plenty of screaming from them about Bush’s supposed evils, but never once would they post about Islamic terrorism.

Again, great article. I’d pass it along to the people who really need to see it, but as I said, those people no longer speak to me.

Jun 18, 2009 - 9:43 am 44. Scary Evil Monkey:

Suzanne Wolski:

i agree wit u! consurvativs r all dum stoopid neocon hillbilly jues!

Jun 18, 2009 - 9:44 am 45. Meryl:

“Murderers of peaceful protesters deserve at least as much outrage as Bush and Sarah Palin, don’t they?”

No. Not in the world view of the left. Can we please stop pretending that we do not know this? I, for one, am just not that dense.

This sub-head needs to read, “Conversation on the left: Murderers of peaceful protesters do not deserve the same level of outrage as Bush and Sarah Palin”

Jun 18, 2009 - 9:47 am 46. jerryofva:

Suzanne:

What a self-righteous piece of blather you wrote and it is quite typical of a Progressive to ignore the point of the article and come back with a piece of projection. It is the left that is filled with hate not the right and just because you are a hater doesn’t mean everyone else is.

Do you want to know how hateful you people are? Last week’s attack at the Holocaust Museum was a result of the pseudo-sophisticated attacks on Jews and the mocking of Christians you find on NPR, the New York Times, CNN, the Huffington Post and the Daily Kos. It wasn’t sights like Stormfront that drove the man to commit a hate crime. That trash has been around since World War II. It was the legalization of anti-Semitism, the name of support for Arab terrorists, that came from the above mentioned sources that told a sick mind that it was ok to go kill Jews.

Jun 18, 2009 - 9:49 am 47. jerryofva:

err…make that legitimization

Jun 18, 2009 - 9:50 am 48. Increase Mather:

#38
Do you fight many strawmen?

Jun 18, 2009 - 9:52 am 49. GCPSteve:

Response to:

25. Free Hat:
“Ahmadinejad is worse than Hitler?

Really?

Statements like this are why people don’t take you wingnuts seriously.”

We “wingnuts” (normal intelligent human beings) have said the same thing for the last eight years when you “loonie liberals” (LOONIE LIBERALS) were screaming BUSH=HITLER.

You guys are the ones who should not be taken seriously. Jackass.

Jun 18, 2009 - 10:05 am 50. Veeshir:

So is this parody or satire?

Great one FrankJ but then you went too far, you just had to pad your resume.

Which “numerous” Tom Clancy video games did you supposedly beat?

Jun 18, 2009 - 10:10 am 51. tanstaafl:

Murderers of peaceful protesters deserve at least as much outrage as Bush and Sarah Palin, don’t they?

Oh hell no. Not for foot soldiers in the army of Useful Idiots.

Same reason Islamist slaughter & abuse of women doesn’t register on the meters of many (not all) so called feminists. It doesn’t fit into the wedge paradigm.

(the wedge paradigm is a little box of wedge “issues” that receive continuous attention & outrage, and will continue to do so, well into the next century. “Bush” and “Palin” are at the top of the list)

Jun 18, 2009 - 10:12 am 52. GCPSteve:

Response to:

38. Suzanne Wolski:
Here is a liberal who did read this entire piece. I found it amusing in many ways but certainly not accurate about Liberals. Liberals do not hate America, they do however dislike it when people assume they know all about how liberals feel and think. So I have to say I have read much more nasty crap from Conservatives than from Liberals.
Death wishes against the President, his wife etc Hate fueled rhetoric spewing forth on page after page. Most of these so called conservatives just love to hate, hate, hate and a great many are totally misinformed and probably listen to Fox News and Rush and believe everything those rednecks say. What a waste. Wishing the death of our president is not really very American either is it?

Let us know when a movie is made about President Obama’s assasination. Then we can talk about hate in America. I would think you have had your head buried in the sand if you didn’t see the enormous hate of the last eight years for President Bush.

Jun 18, 2009 - 10:15 am 53. Mary in LA:

#38 Suzanne Wolski:

Wishing the death of our president is not really very American either is it?

No, it’s not. And you and all your liberal friends did that very thing, every day, for eight-plus years, from November 4, 2000, to January 20, 2009. It’s all over the Internet: Google “Bush assassination” if you don’t believe me. Now who’s un-American?

By the way, I don’t wish for the death of President Obama. It would throw the nation into turmoil when we’re at our weakest point ever since the Civil War, and it would leave two innocent little girls without their father. I do, however, wish fervently for his impeachment and removal from office. The firing of IG Walpin, all by itself, is grounds for that.

Jun 18, 2009 - 10:27 am 54. Dohtimes:

The Libs gotta have their lies fed to them in a calm consistent manner so they think our enemies need the same. A new puppet president there would be like BHO without his teleprompter and granting access to Fox News, you don’t know what truth might slip out or which freedoms might not be quashed. A Christian theocracy wouldn’t do though since it would not be anti-Christian.

Jun 18, 2009 - 10:36 am 55. Aureliano:

Too, too funny.

Free Hat, apparently one of Pavlov’s dogs, shows up on cue and in character.

Meanwhile, Suzy Wolski, a ditzy Code Pinker* from Vermont, shows up to comment on an article about hypocrisy re:the goings on in Iran.

A quick Google reveals some of her favorite meetup groups:
-Boycott Wal-mart
-Against Bush
-Fight Big Media (?)
-Stop the Patriot Act
-Impeach Bush (naturally)

and finally …
-Election Reform

Election Reform — on a thead about the goings on in Iran, where an election really was stolen, and people really are fighting against an oppressive governemtnt, at risk of their lives. If that isn’t absolutely hilarious (and sad), and such a PERFECT illustration of what modern liberals really are, I don’t know what is.

* As of January 20, 2009, Code Pink moved from “Stop the Iraq War NOW” to … something else. Now they believe in “Stopping the Iran War”. What ‘peace-loving’ heroes. I didn’t know the Iraq War ended the day Obama was inaugurated.

Side Question: How can Fox News, a television channel, transmogrify itself into a ‘redneck’?

Side Note for Suzy’s benefit: Rush is from Missouri, which is right next to Arkansas, where Bill Clinton is from. If Rush is a redneck, so is Bill Clinton (and so was Harry Truman, a Democrat).

Jun 18, 2009 - 10:43 am 56. Rashputin:

Self-hating Boomer (33)

Probably written in UCSD ‘p’ code. Somehow, I’m sure all three have some sort of p-code running through their brains.

Regards

Jun 18, 2009 - 10:45 am 57. Michael:

Here’s a different look Suzanne, there are just as many haters on both sides of the isle. In this day and time the discussion of divergent ideas takes a back seat to personal invective.

Don’t look at it as a new thing though. It was perfected in the prior 8 years against Bush/conservatives and unfortunately it is continued now with equal venom by both sides. After all one is only outraged when one’s own ox is being gored.

A large part is the polarization of political philosophy. Some idolize America’s past and what the idea of America stood for and some dispise what it is today and demand change. Of course most people who frequent venues such as this or HufPuf are the extremes of these camps.

Jun 18, 2009 - 10:49 am 58. tanstaafl:

To me, it’s nearly hysterically funny when obvious members of the Left resort to chastising the other side over the patriotism thing.

It’s like Barack, who consciously and firmly refused to wear the flag pin in the campaign and now…look! you never see his lapel without one.

Or the guy on PJM who wrote that and his buddies were so distressed during the reign of the evil Bush that only some kind of “patriotism” prevented them from leaving the country.

(I asked him where he might have gone and why in the heck he didn’t swim to Cuba, anyway.)

faux patriotism, aka the patina of patriotism, is really more offensive than none at all

Jun 18, 2009 - 10:50 am 59. rocketeer:

@38 Suzanne Wolski- “Most of these so called conservatives just love to hate, hate, hate and a great many are totally misinformed and probably listen to Fox News and Rush and believe everything those rednecks say.”

You’re spewing talking points. I’ll bet you’ve never listened to Rush and don’t watch Fox News, but you just know what they’re all about, because your little socialite friends are telling you that they are all about hate. You’re a fake and you don’t have an independent thought.

If you’re going to make accusations like this, give us examples. Oh, that’s right, there aren’t any. “Death wishes against the President, his wife etc”? Who from the right has made death threats? These kooks are always roundly condemned by conservatives. Point out anywhere that anyone on Fox, or any conservative talk show host anywhere has made death threats. Oh, once again, can’t do it.

Jun 18, 2009 - 10:52 am 60. mnewman:

#53 Mary in LA:

“The firing of IG Walpin, all by itself, is grounds for that.”

I’ve been waiting for someone to bring up this point. With the exception of your post, just not hearing it. Curious. He seems above the law.

Jun 18, 2009 - 10:56 am 61. Peter the Bubblehead:

38. Suzanne Wolski wrote:
What a waste. Wishing the death of our president is not really very American either is it?

Peter writes: Yeah, that movie they made about about their fantasy assassination of Bush was a real downer, wasn’t it?

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2006/09/10/a_new_low_in_bush_hatred/

Jun 18, 2009 - 11:12 am 62. jerryofva:

So far we have had one troll and a code pinker posting some drive by commentary and I really doubt they stayed around to read the responses. This limited amount of activity confirms my thesis that the usual suspects cannot engage until they get clear direction from the White House on what the proper party line is. I don’t expect to hear from them until Obama comes out with a definitive position after the crisis is over. At that point he will either praise the wisdom of the Ayatollahs or attempt to take credit for a successful revolution.

Jun 18, 2009 - 11:19 am 63. Pace:

Thank you Freehat for injecting an element of sanity into this otherwise silly, and sadly predictable, series of responses. Would the posters really like to see Obama consolidate and mobilize Ahmadinejad’s base? Then they should go ahead and lobby the Obama to do exactly what they want him to do. Errant nonsense.

Jun 18, 2009 - 11:22 am 64. tanstaafl:

At least Gerald Walpin isn’t taking it lying down, being smeared and fired for pointing out misuse of public money, thus running against Barack’s plans for community organizin’ the federal government.

Fired IG Calls White House Explanation ‘Baseless,’ Says He’s Being Targeted

Jun 18, 2009 - 11:25 am 65. Delia:

He-he-he-he-he.
He-he-he-he-he.
He-he-he-he-he!

Jun 18, 2009 - 11:31 am 66. Free Hat:

59. rocketeer:“Point out anywhere that anyone on Fox, or any conservative talk show host anywhere has made death threats. Oh, once again, can’t do it.”

Oh, yes, I can:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjYpkvcmog0

While commenting on Hillary’s RFK gaffe, Liz Trotta on Fox News Channel first referred to Barack Obama as “Osama” and then laughed that they should both be killed.

Eat your words, nimrod.

Jun 18, 2009 - 11:35 am 67. Peter the Bubblehead:

Hi Delia. Nice to see you here today.

Jun 18, 2009 - 11:42 am 68. jerryofva:

Pace:

Just like how the Polish people rallied behind the government when Reagan issued a stong statement on martial law in Poland in 1981?

The government already has attacked Obama for meddling even though he hasn’t said anything that couldn’t be contrued as support for the protesters. As I said above the Iran government knows that if they show displeasure with Obama then he will rally to support to gain their approval.

It’s a pity that the leadership of the free world has passed from the President of the United States to a triumverate of the President of the French Republic, the Chancellor of the Federal Republic of Germany and the Prime Minister of the Commonwealth of Canada.

Jun 18, 2009 - 11:43 am 69. Free Hat:

36. Gekkobear: “Right, clearly what the Iranian people want is to have a Government that brutally kills the Iranian people in the streets and guns down anyone that the Government doesn’t like.”

Oh, no, clearly what the Iranian people want is for the United States to invade and bring them democracy, just like we did in Iraq, right?

If the Iranians want democracy, they are more than capable of getting it by themselves, and they surely don’t need clueless morons like you who are completely ignorant of the political situation in the region throwing in your worthless two cents.

Jun 18, 2009 - 11:44 am 70. jerryofva:

Free Hat:

And tell me why you know so much about the political situation in Iran?

People who can’t get the joke about better then Bush but worse then Hitler shouldn’t be calling someone else a moron.

Jun 18, 2009 - 11:53 am 71. Juvenal:

“Ahmadinejad has falsely claimed several times that American meddling is the cause of the election fraud. He is begging for evidence of this, which he can and will use to shut down the country completely, and suspend elections indefinitely.

Let’s please not be stupid enough to do exactly what Ahmadinejad wants us to do. Let’s use our tiny little brains to see through the trap. And let’s give the Iranian people the right that all citizens of all nations should have: the right to determine their own government without foreign influence.

Dear Republicans:

Stop viewing foreign policy as a game of rock ‘em sock ‘em robots and try to see it more like an endless game of chess. Also, stop viewing soveriegn nations like a tank full of sea monkeys that you intermittently poke and shake. Poking sea monkeys will not make them do backflips. Blowing up Iraqis will not make them adopt democracy. And the fact that after basically ignoring the plight of Iranians for the last eight years (that is, when Bush and Cheney weren’t threatening to bomb the crap out of them), you folks are suddenly compelled out of a sense of righteousness to insert your clueless, ignorant selves into the electoral process of a country of people who all you folks wanted to blow up just minutes ago, is about the most disingenuous, retarded strategy you can adopt. And, unsurprisingly, it’s the Republican strategy.

You want to show solidarity with the Iranians? Why don’t you offer them the same meaningless, empty gesture of solidarity that you show our own troops and throw a ribbon sticker on the back of your car.”

Wow. If I’ve learned one thing over the past eight years, it’s that when people like Ass Hat start to REALLY perform some spectacular mental gymnastics and when they really try to be insulting, it’s because a little bit of reality has broken through their near-impenetrable shields of hatred and ignorance, and they’re desperately trying to talk themselves out of seeing it.

Jun 18, 2009 - 11:56 am 72. Self-hating Boomer:

To me, it’s nearly hysterically funny when obvious members of the Left resort to chastising the other side over the patriotism thing.

What’s even more funny is how, after arguing that patriotism is a mindless loyalty, will then be so slavish in their worship of Teh One.

Well, maybe “funny’ isn’t the right word.

Jun 18, 2009 - 11:59 am 73. Juvenal:

Ass Hat wrote:

“If the Iranians want democracy, they are more than capable of getting it by themselves, and they surely don’t need clueless morons like you who are completely ignorant of the political situation in the region throwing in your worthless two cents.”

I can translate that: Shut up. Before you make me have to face a fact, and before you make me have to give up some of the pathology that I cherish so much.

Even Ass Hat can’t be worried that the words of a commenter at Pajamas Media will tip the delicate balance in Iran. He’s worried that it will tip the precarious balance of his sanity.

Ass Hat: It’s too late for that.

Jun 18, 2009 - 12:02 pm 74. Self-hating Boomer:

So when the trolz can’t win the argument, they take the thread off-topic. Like I said, this could be computer code.

Jun 18, 2009 - 12:04 pm 75. Fragmentarian:

So the asshats and fellow grovellers actually think it’s a bad idea to say something in support of the demonstrators and nascent democracy? Incredible!

Jun 18, 2009 - 12:08 pm 76. Delia:

67. Peter the Bubblehead,

Right back atchya, Peter.

Jun 18, 2009 - 12:16 pm 77. tanstaafl:

Asshat sounds just like American Muslim on PJM, throwing stuff around and calling other people stupid or ignorant on Iran (and everything else under the sun).

Seems angrier than his picture

A Picture of Free Hat

Another picture of Free Hat

Jun 18, 2009 - 12:27 pm 78. Juvenal:

#75:

For all their manufactured outrage and displays of prissiness, they could care less about any of that.

Jun 18, 2009 - 12:29 pm 79. Mary in LA:

#66 Free Hat with no brains underneath it:

Liz Trotta apologized. She made a terrible gaffe, and knew it. Again, a simple Google search (what, you libs lack fingers as well as brains?) shows that. I sure don’t see any apologies coming from either the producers or the fans of the “assassinate Bush” movie… on the contrary, I believe it won at least one award, but you’ll have to Google that yourself. I’m done doing your homework for you.

Jun 18, 2009 - 12:49 pm 80. Mary in LA:

BTW, Liz Trotta seems to be an equal-opportunity gaffer (gaffeuse?). She’s also on record as making snarky comments about Trig Palin, accusing Sarah Palin of dragging “it” [sic] around for sympathy points. But Free Hat and our other trolls probably think that’s the pinnacle of wit.

Jun 18, 2009 - 12:53 pm 81. Aureliano:

tanstaafl,

That’s hilarious! I was contemplating linking to that very Web site in response to Free Hat. Free Hat is obviously a kid — a grammatical kid, but apparently as vapid and intellectually shallow as they come. He doesn’t really have any particular belief in anything he writes, not really, it’s just that he thinks he’s discovered a short-cut to having a clue by applying the Democrat vs. Republican template to EVERYTHING. Who needs to be intelligent and well read, or to demonstrate a knack for analysis and synthesis? Just apply D vs. R to everything and you’re good to go! Forever and ever!

He doesn’t seem to realize that D vs. R is only part of the equation. In fact many things, if not most, including economics and geo-politics, operate independently of D vs. R.

Round about now he’s mildly surprised that we know he’s basically a kid, and that child-like behaviors are well understood and predictable. So how will he react?

He’ll apply the Democrat vs. Republican template, naturally.

Jun 18, 2009 - 12:56 pm 82. Dan R:

OK. I’m not entirely sure a progressive perspective is being well-represented here. But that’s fine, and to be expected. One would think that this heightened emotional divide would have become quite dull and predictable by now, but, for some reason, it still makes a few pulses quicken.

I’m fully liberal, for starters. I read freerepublic.com every day, and NR Online whenever there’s something substantive or thought-provoking. I don’t wait for memes from Teh Wun before I allow myself to ponder. In fact, I find Obama to be squarely disappointing in many respects. What I can’t understand is why his preservation and defense of most key Bush policies hasn’t abated the continual accusations of “COMMIE CAMEL-HUGGER!” I guess it comes down to personality conflicts.

It’s a major mischaracterization to claim that liberals are supportive of the Ahmadinejad regime, or that their silence is as good as support. Liberals have not been silent on the issue. And, when they do speak, the majority speak overwhelmingly in support of the protestors — joining with conservative groups to enable proxies, etc. Maybe a few of you ought to check DailyKos, if you don’t believe me.

The problem is that “support” is indeed an empty gesture. I can wear green underwear all I want, but it only makes me feel better about myself, and indicates to those who see my underwear that I am the kind of person who supports causes in ineffectual ways. It’s self-congratulation with a built-in public appreciation apparatus. Self-serving.

And then there’s the issue of Teh Wunz hesitance to decry the Iranian election as a sham. To be frank, I don’t know if this is the correct policy or not. I can see legitimate argumetns on either side of the issue. The US has a history of heavy-handed involvement in Iran and the mideast. Now, I realize that overthrowing Saddam was a good thing, and that I will be accused of calling liberation “heavy handed.” BUt I trust that some of you are not toddlers, and are capable of recognizing that the US has used its unique power and resources in ways that are unnatural to the regional balance of power.

In terms of realism vs. idealism: I’m not sure that anything is being lost or gained by Teh Wun keeping his mouth shut. I’m also not sure that Mousavi is an improvement upon Ahmadenijad — except that Iran purports to be a democracy, and Mousavi appears to have been legitimately elected. Which is reason enough to support him. But even THIS is not the issue: The issue is the supreme likihood of a brutal crackdown. Iranian experts are in almost universal agreement that The Supreme Leader gambled BIG by so transparently rigging this election, and he will not allow his gamble to lose. The threat of decisive violence is very, very real. America’s ability to intervene in such a situation is limited — and, should we force the Leader’s hand, we could become more culpable than we’d like to be. Tianeman deux.

Listen, not all liberals are loony ranters who have a pullstring in their back that says “HATE BUSH!!!” The US is free from domestic oppression because we all work hard for our own, and each other’s, freedom. I’m vigilant along with you.

Jun 18, 2009 - 1:03 pm 83. Marc Malone:

#66 Free Hat – Instead of telling us of this video, just forward it to the Secret Service. It’s a felony to threaten the President, or to incite others to do the same.

Make no mistake about it. We don’t condone such things. That’s the point of the challenge to your comments. It’s not how we roll.

Jun 18, 2009 - 1:06 pm 84. Ed Wallis:

#77 t-man HAS IT RIGHT.

Insult the asshat, belittle him, ABOVE ALL laugh at him, but please don’t get sidetracked by his stupidity.

Isn’t it just great how – for lack of better words – civil scorn from a creative humorist like Mr. Fleming can simply *c*r*u*s*h* Leftists?!

More beer and more IMAO!!!

Jun 18, 2009 - 1:17 pm 85. The Shadow:

A for creative fiction. Nice jobe in setting up a straw man – Of course he ignores reality, but why let messy facts get in the way of your biases. Of course if your aim is to appeal to the wingnuts you are right on

Jun 18, 2009 - 1:19 pm 86. Free Hat:

75. Fragmentarian: “So the asshats and fellow grovellers actually think it’s a bad idea to say something in support of the demonstrators and nascent democracy? Incredible!”

Say whatever the hell you want in support of freedom and democracy for Iranians. Just know that it sounds profoundly schizophrenic and meaningless coming from a fringe group of people who generally hate muslims and were wishing until about 5 minutes ago that we would bomb Iran to smithereens.

79. Mary in LA: “Liz Trotta apologized. She made a terrible gaffe, and knew it.”

So she threw out a half-hearted apology to keep her job. Big frigging deal. That doesn’t undo the fact that she said the President should be killed. It’s one thing if some right-wing moron on the street says it, but when a “journalist” on national television says it, it’s deplorable on a whole other level. And it just shows that, like most Fox comedians, Trotta’s a bigot and a coward who retracts her hateful statements only when her job is in jeopardy.

Jun 18, 2009 - 1:31 pm 87. Self-hating Boomer:

I’m not entirely sure a progressive perspective is being well-represented here.

Au contraire. They’re all over the place, and doing exactly what was expected.

Jun 18, 2009 - 1:33 pm 88. GCPSteve:

Response to:

66. Free Hat:

Liz Trotta made a mistake. If you looked at the next utube video, you would have seen a sincere and heartfelt apology for her thoughtless remarks.

Has anyone ever apologized for the much more vicious comments aimed at President Bush? Like I said earlier, let me know when a movie is made (to critical acclaim at some Canadian Film Fesival) about the assasination of President Obama. Jackass.

Jun 18, 2009 - 1:34 pm 89. jerryofva:

The shadow arrives to provide more validation for my thesis. He says nothing because he has nothing say until someone tells him what to think. Why does he bother to post at all.

The shadow is the perfect image for the progressive. Shadow is an image without substance.

Jun 18, 2009 - 1:34 pm 90. Pee Wee Herman, Community Organizer:

A for creative fiction. Nice jobe in setting up a straw man – Of course he ignores reality, but why let messy facts get in the way of your biases. Of course if your aim is to appeal to the wingnuts you are right on

Wow. That was so persuasive. I’ve changed my mind. You’re right. It’s so obvious. All your facts are so well cited, how can anyone disagree with that?

Jun 18, 2009 - 1:37 pm 91. Peter the Bubblehead:

79. Mary in LA wrote:
I sure don’t see any apologies coming from either the producers or the fans of the “assassinate Bush” movie… on the contrary, I believe it won at least one award, but you’ll have to Google that yourself.

Peter writes: They don’t even have to google it. I already did that work for them up at post #61.

Jun 18, 2009 - 1:40 pm 92. Spark22:

Amen!!! Well put!!!!

Jun 18, 2009 - 1:49 pm 93. jerryofva:

Free Hat:

We already know what your motivations are. An Iranian Revolution that succedes would mean that the United States isn’t the cause of the world’s problems. It would mean a reproachemant between Israel and Iran which would result in a whithering of Hamas and Hezbollah as they lose their means of support. Israel would no longer be seen as the problem the Arabs would be exposed. Your whole Middle East narrative would be broken and you would be forced to confront the anti-Semitic hate that dominates your thinking.

Jun 18, 2009 - 1:52 pm 94. GCPSteve:

I’ll say that Dan R. at post #82 made some valid points. He is not your typical opposition poster here. As far as I’m concerned, come back anytime Dan.

Jun 18, 2009 - 1:55 pm 95. GCPSteve:

Hey shadowthing

wingnut,wingnut,wingnut,wingnut,wingnut,wingnut,wingnut,wingnut,wingnut,wingnut,wingnut,wingnut,wingnut,wingnut…..

the word means nothing anymore.

Jun 18, 2009 - 2:01 pm 96. Martin in Atlanta:

I think the bottom line is the GOP is irelevant and lack any credibility. Did they not learn anything from last November? The country is moving in a different direction.

Out of touch is an understatement.

Jun 18, 2009 - 2:06 pm 97. Gekkobear:

“69. Free Hat:
If the Iranians want democracy, they are more than capable of getting it by themselves, and they surely don’t need clueless morons like you who are completely ignorant of the political situation in the region throwing in your worthless two cents.”

Sorry, I shouldn’t have tried to speak for the Iranians, that’s your job… or maybe theirs?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BcFx380pFA

CNN: Iranian students say they’re doomed if Obama recognizes Iran’s election result

Well that sounds bad… I’m sure that these Iranian students aren’t worth supporting though, and anyway they’ll be fine… they probably don’t know what they’re talking about; not as well as you do.

“Iranian government officials warned Wednesday that they would seek the death penalty for detainees who have been arrested for organizing post-election opposition rallies in Tehran and elsewhere around the country.”
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/131922

Yeah, they’ll be fine; once the Government kills them. We should just stay out of it. Once the Government is done killing all the unarmed protesters they’ll have a majority of approval again (amongst the living)… that’s all a Government needs.

I wonder, should we kill protesters against the Government here in the US as well?

But I’m sure you know better than me (the clueless idiot) the protesters themselves, and the Government officials of Iran… I mean none of us knows Iran like you do. Right?

Jun 18, 2009 - 2:08 pm 98. Gekkobear:

82. Dan R:

An interesting post, I’d mostly agree, one point though…

“I’m also not sure that Mousavi is an improvement upon Ahmadenijad…”

I’d agree with you initially, pre-election. There was little to see (from a US centric foreign policy difference) between the two. Now however, things seem a bit different.

Not for Mousavi himself (his record of brutality isn’t appealing, or more promising than Ahmadinejad’s)… and admittedly the only people allowed to run are those approved by Ayatollah Khamenei, which limits the possible outcome drastically.

Given his position against the protests, and for the election results “Iran’s supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei calls on Iranians to unite behind Ahmadinejad – Associated Press” if the protests win and Ahmadinejad ultimately loses; what might that say for the position of the Ayatollah?

I’m not saying it will play out this way, or that it will actually impact on the Ayatollah; but it has a definite possibility of adjusting the balance of power in Iran away from the religious control it currently has.

If Mousavi had been declared as winning, and the Ayatollah had backed him; we likely wouldn’t be better off (and might be worse off, hard to tell). If Ahmadinejad kills enough people to ram through these election results, we’re not going to be better off either (clearly).

But The possibility of the Ayatollah being on the opposite side of the will of the people; and how that might play out… it could have some different outcomes now than Mousavi’s winning pre-election had appeared.

At this point Obama clearly cannot invade or militarily impact the situation (nothing would be worse) but a strong statement regarding fair election outcomes, the will of the people, etc. might not hurt anything; and could very well be worth the risk.

Jun 18, 2009 - 2:30 pm 99. Dave Surls:

“Dear Republicans:”

“Stop viewing foreign policy as a game of rock ‘em sock ‘em robots and try to see it more like an endless game of chess.”

Bombing Serbia = Chess

Bombing Iran = rock ‘em sock ‘em robots

Liberal = brain dead idiot

Jun 18, 2009 - 2:36 pm 100. jb:

@ 38. Suzanne Wolski:

Assassination of Obama would fall under conservatives’ worst nightmare; after all, that would leave Plugs Biden in charge. Even scarier would be for Joe Biden to get whacked since that would put Pelosi next in the line of power.

Most conservatives are pretty sure Obama is merely clueless and thus not too dangerous, Biden or Pelosi would have us in WWIII in short order.

Jun 18, 2009 - 3:02 pm 101. Bohemond:

Oh, dear, Martin. “We won, neener neener neener” is getting awfully threadbare as an argument.

Especially if you look at *all three* polls this week. Seems Ogabe’s policies are in deep gahunga with the populace- of whom, moreover, 40% call themselves conservative (to a paltry 21% liberal).

But the real proof, of course, will be when events prove us right- because Obama’s policies will end in disaster. It’s inevitable.

Jun 18, 2009 - 3:22 pm 102. myth buster:

Free Hat, if you think that we right wingers are only engaging in empty gestures to support the troops, know that the only reason I’m not on a submarine right now engaging in a training mission is because BUMED won’t let me. So, why don’t you do us both a favor and lobby Congress to get Asperger’s Syndrome removed from the list of disqualifying medical conditions so I can become a Naval officer. I get to go to war, rather than be forced to watch my friends get deployed without me, and you get to see a right winger actually take up arms to defend this country. Deal?

Jun 18, 2009 - 4:19 pm 103. Snake eater:

Bravo! Great piece!

Jun 18, 2009 - 4:39 pm 104. Class Clown:

25. Free “Tin-foil” Hat

Man, I never address trolls personally, but you really do have your freudian projection act down pat, and I’m going to say something this time.

“Empty meaningless gestures” of supports for our troops? Actually, we conservatives are supporting our troops in the most personal way possible, by actually BEING our troops!

Hell, the entire reason Leftists have been so uptight is that our efforts were more than empty gestures, like actually JOINING, and then USING said military!

Now if you wanted “empty”, we could go with some nice “Free Iran” bumper stickers. They would nicely match your “Free Tibet” ones.

Jun 18, 2009 - 5:10 pm 105. lefroy:

I think we need to be very careful before we criticize the values of others. I personally don’t support hanging teenage gays in public or stoning people to death for adultery, or shooting demonstrators. But being gay was a crime in Texas until just recently, and what about the witchcraft trials. And they have laws about protest marches here in the US too. So who are we to impose our values on others? Like the president said, this is not about the US. Read Roger Cohen to find out about the real Iran – a place where, in may respects, there is more freedom, opportunity and and better healthcare than the US.

Jun 18, 2009 - 5:58 pm 106. Class Clown:

Not so long ago, Leftists opposed Kissinger-style realpolitik as amoral and callous, because it ignored human rights issues. Fair enough, because some conservatives opposed it as well, and for the same reasons.

These days, however, we get Leftists saying, without irony, that we should play international affairs like a game of chess. A very interesting anology on more than one level, since it implies a support for the same sort of “gamemanship” diplomacy for which conservatives were once condemned.

A few weeks ago I had a Canadian leftie sneer that the U.S. had supported Saddam (and thereby think he had pre-empted any larger discussion of Iraq). Yea, we once did, and even many conservatives weren’t happy that sort of devil’s bargain even then. However, this person’s point seemed to be that, America was bad because we supported him then, which was interesting because everything else he said was about how things were fine in Iraq before the bad Americans came.

Now, we get Lefties who, at least until last week absolutely loved the equally abhorrent A’jad, to the point of inviting him to speak at their universities and having him record messages for their yearly Christmas broadcasts.

This week, we get the same Lefties protesting that we should do more for Iran, and chastising conservatives for not supporting the protesters against the same regime that they loved until recently, and probably will again next week. Except that the same conservatives they accuse actually are expressing support, while the Lefties’ own Dear Leader remains silent. However, if those conservatives were to actually take action, they would be meddling imperialists victimizing noble freedom fighters.

So you guys tell me please, who are we at war with? Eurasia, or Eastasia?

And I’d beat hard cash that most Lefties can’t even recognize that allusion. They spent too much time studying identity politics back in school to read real books.

Jun 18, 2009 - 6:32 pm 107. Gringo:

105 lefroy:
Read Roger Cohen to find out about the real Iran – a place where, in may respects, there is more freedom, opportunity and and better healthcare than the US.

If you really believe that I have two points to make.
1) If things are “in may respects” better in Iran than in the US, then why do you not put your belief into practice and immigrate to Iran?
2) I have a really good revenue-producing but inexpensive Bridge In Brooklyn I want to sell you.

BTW, I have read Roger Cohen well before I saw your posting.

Jun 18, 2009 - 7:24 pm 108. ITF:

Lefroy: Of Course!! Socialized HEALTHCARE! Behead all the gays you want as long as you have Socialized Healthcare.

Stone women to death, finance psychopathic militias, threaten to nuke your neighbors – until you get a real bomb anyway, then DO IT! It’s all perfectly acceptable as long as you have Socialized Healthcare!

Dan R, please do come back. You’re the only sane leftie we’ve encountered in months.

Jun 18, 2009 - 7:51 pm 109. Mary in LA:

One more slap at ThoughtFreeHead, who backpedaled thusly: “So she threw out a half-hearted apology to keep her job. Big frigging deal. That doesn’t undo the fact that she said the President should be killed.”

Again, ThoughtFreeHead, you miss the point. A half-hearted apology still beats proudly accepting an award. If it is categorically wrong to say the President should be killed, then how can you possibly defend the producers of that movie, who not only said it, but showed it?

If I had been Liz Trotta’s boss, I would have canned her. But if what she did was a firing offense, what those movie producers did was much worse. And yet you revile her, but defend them. Double-standard much?

[Peter the Bubblehead, thanks for posting the link -- you're right!]

Jun 18, 2009 - 8:38 pm 110. Mary in LA:

Actually, to be fair to poor gormless ThoughtFreeHead, he didn’t actually defend the producers of the Bush assassination movie. For “defend” above, please substitute “refuse to condemn”, or even better, “condone by silence”.

Jun 18, 2009 - 8:41 pm 111. vivo:

by Frank J. Fleming:

What an idiotic rambling. If anyone listens to you, they are also idiots.

You guys call this conserv humor? Wow!

Jun 18, 2009 - 8:42 pm 112. lefroy:

Gringo, I didn’t tag my attempt at satirizing a gormless, brain-dead leftie because, feeble and unfunny though I agree my attempt is, writing it nearly made me throw up. There are people who think like that, but not me!

Jun 18, 2009 - 8:58 pm 113. David S:

@102. myth buster:
” the only reason I’m not on a submarine right now engaging in a training mission is because BUMED won’t let me.”

Just because you can’t be on a sub, you won’t serve? You can’t get your hands dirty? I’m underwhelmed.

“I get to go to war, rather than be forced to watch my friends get deployed without me, and you get to see a right winger actually take up arms to defend this country. Deal?”

I’d be okay with you making your way overseas to pursue the defense of the USA. Of course, you’ll have trouble finding anyone attacking us. Defending this country is a far different thing from what we’re into in the mideast.

Peace.

DS

Jun 18, 2009 - 11:41 pm 114. Gary Rosen:

“You guys call this conserv humor? Wow!”

Yeah, if Fleming really had a sense of humor he’d be joking about molesting 14-year-old girls. That’d get vivo rolling in the aisles!

Oops, sorry, meant 18-year-old. Never mind.

Jun 18, 2009 - 11:57 pm 115. sheesh:

Gary Rosen . . . I completely disagree with you . . . women are NOT the property of men no matter what your Bible says. I believe we should treat all people with dignity and respect and fairness. How you could ever say we shouldn’t is beyond reason.

Jun 19, 2009 - 6:11 am 116. Butterfly Mornings and Wildflower Afternoons:

This is one of my favorite songs. I like the way Pat Green and Cory Morrow are singing this song…..This is how I feel today. I’m stuck in the middle.

Well, you started off with nothing
And you’re proud that you’re a self-made man
And your friends they all come crawling
Slap you on the back and say
Please, please

Well, I don’t know why I came here tonight
I got a feelin’ that something ain’t right
I’m so scared in case I fall off my chair
And I’m wonderin’ how I’ll get down those stairs
Clowns to left of me, jokers to the right
Here am I stuck in the middle with you
Here I am stuck in the middle with you
Yes, I’m stuck in the middle with you
Stuck in the middle with you

I say Pleeeeeeeease, because something just ain’t right, and that is the truth today.

Jun 19, 2009 - 7:54 am 117. JFM:

Dan R wrote:

It’s a major mischaracterization to claim that liberals are supportive of the Ahmadinejad regime, or that their silence is as good as support. Liberals have not been silent on the issue. And, when they do speak, the majority speak overwhelmingly in support of the protestors — joining with conservative groups to enable proxies, etc.

Have they spent 1% of the energy they spent on denograting an ridiculing George W Bush? Have they spread 1% of the bile they spead on George W Bush? Do you have the impression they hate Ahmedinajad 1% as much as they hated George W Bush? How is that they remind me those people for whom a Palestinian terrorist killed by Jooooooooos is an atrocity, a thousand people in Darfur a side note?

Jun 19, 2009 - 9:29 am 118. wrg:

38. Suzanne Wolski:

I don’t wish for the death of Obambi, then Biden would be prez. What a frighting thought THAT is. Out of the frying pan into the fire.

Jun 19, 2009 - 10:45 am 119. Trainwreck:

Don’t waste your energy trying to get liberals to redirect their rage to the murderers of the protesters and the A-jad regime. I would have an easier time teaching my cat calculus.

In the PC multiculti liberal doctrine, you can display your outrage at a group, or approval of a group according to their positions on the socialist victim food chain. For example, an illegal alien gang-banger kills four black college kids in Newark. The illegal alien is more victimized/oppressed than blacks, therefore, there is no outrage or attempt to end sanctuary city policy. Homophobia is a big crime to the left, so much so that a Lutheran minister in Sweden is being threatened with jail time for speaking against homosexuality. meanwhile, jihadi Muslims urge genocide against gays and hang them from cranes, but that does not outrage the left.

Now when you have two groups of Muslims fighting, how can a PC leftist choose sides? You have the radical, terrorist jihadi Muslims vs. slightly more “moderate” but still fundamentalist Muslims. The radical ones are the more oppressed/victimized group. Why else would they resort to terrorism? Therefore, the radical jihad-embracing Muslim is the uber-victim, beyond reproach, and he can commit the most egregious human rights abuses, but gets a pass. His “hate speech” is not as hateful or oppressive as that of a white critic of Islam, even as he spouts murder of infidels and violent overthrow of the West.

Jun 19, 2009 - 11:00 am 120. Ms. Attitude:

Sheesh:
On another thread you said that all you hear when you turn on your radio is “bomb bomb Iran”…time to take the casette tape from the Carter era out of your boom box.

Free Hat: You seem to have in your twisted mind that our military goes after civilians. The fact that you have never served in the military during a time of war is very apparent. When conservatives/republicans/US military talk about invading a country it’s to overthrow the government and free the masses. You and our President seem to blur the lines of Arabians/Persians/Islams. Not everyone over there is Muslim. They are called dhimmi’s and they are sub-human to their government. Yet our President jumps to the defense of Islam (a religion) and not the people! I’m sure that if the Islam government were to fall completely the people would experience more freedoms.

http://www.stopahmadinejad.com/zorastrians-of-iran-remember-the-islamic-inavsion/

Jun 19, 2009 - 3:33 pm 121. Dave Surls:

“I’d be okay with you making your way overseas to pursue the defense of the USA. Of course, you’ll have trouble finding anyone attacking us.”

Right.

No one seized our embassy in Tehran, no one blew up our embassy in Beiruit, no one blew up our peacekeeping force in Lebanon, no one highjacked the Achille Lauro and shot an American citizen, no one highjacked Pan Am Flight 73 and started executing American passengers, no one set off a bomb in the World Trade Center, no one highjacked airplanes and flew them into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, no one kidnapped and behedaed Daniel Pearl, no one blows up American tourists in Israel, no one shot at our aircraft patrolling the no-fly zones over Iraq…

No terrorist-loving lefty traitor ever tells the truth.

Folks, only one of the above statements is actually true. See if you can identify it!

Jun 20, 2009 - 10:52 am 122. David S:

121. Dave Surls:

Serving on a submarine somehow is supposed to prevent terrorism?

Have fun figuring that one out.

I don’t think it’s very likely that military intervention would have prevented any of the handful of attacks that have been made against US citizens – it’s even less likely that serving on a submarine would have contributed meaningfully to such an effort.

It’s not about “terrorist-loving lefty traitors” – I don’t have great affection for folks that use violence to solve problems. That goes for terrorists in and out of government.

Peace.

DS

Jun 20, 2009 - 11:45 am 123. Dave Surls:

Yeah, you would have trouble finding anyone attacking us…if you were blind, deaf and dumb, and had been locked up in a dungeon for the last 30 years or so.

Jun 20, 2009 - 10:14 pm 124. President Anti Insane Obama:

“A few days we witness an Election.. in Iran that was to demonstrate.. the country’s democracy. But as we learn.. this was not the case.. Instead of democracy.. we saw tyranny and oppression. Let me be clear to the leaders of Iran.. This President along with the United States of America have expressed our support to the people of Iran who have been disenfranchised by their government. If the government of Iran pursues violence against peaceful protests then the government of Iran should expect swift and decisive action against their aggression.”

This is President Anti-Obama and I approve this message

Jun 21, 2009 - 12:46 am 125. chicago:

Where’s Code Pink’s support for Ahmadinejad now? I don’t see or hear any of them Code Pinkers voicing their support for the tyrant.

helloooo, code pink, where are you?

Jun 23, 2009 - 9:41 pm