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1. Mary Jackson:

an Ivy League-educated lawyer like Michelle Obama

Who wasn’t actually clever enough, but got in on affirmative action because of her skin colour.

Looks like she’s now found her level.

Dec 5, 2008 - 3:59 am 2. sydney jane:

Well, let’s be real. She’s not going to just “stay home with the children.” She’ll be First Lady of the United States, and, with that, comes certain duties and responsibilities. She’ll have an office, a staff, and it’s almost like any other job. And, with her being the first African American First Lady, the demands on her to make public appearances and to have an “issue” that she supports will be enormous.

To give the impression that she’s going to be living the life of a real stay-at-home mother — cooking, watching The View and Days of Our Lives, taking the girls to soccer, picking them up from school every day, and helping with their homework, is wrong. If that were the case, then we wouldn’t be hearing how her mother is coming to live with them to help take care of the girls.

And, I suspect she’ll also be doing a lot of traveling with her husband…because, believe me, there are a lot of aggressive women out there, in the US and around the world, just waiting to get their hands on Barack Obama.

My feeling is this whole “mommy in chief” thing is mainly for appearances and to continue to soften the image of Michelle Obama. I think this will be the public image of her that they will project, at least for the first few years, but I think it will be very different behind the scenes.

But, I also think the feminist movement has really suffered this year. With both Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin, we learned that it’s now okay to make fun of a professional woman’s looks, call her a bitch, to question whether or not she can be a good mother and do her job, etc. And, most of this came from other women…and Democrats. I lost respect for the so-called feminist movement this year, and there are some female journalists that I will never listen to again. I’m a Democratic woman…and black. But, I found the treatment of Clinton and, especially Palin, by feminists to be appalling. As a black American, I was proud of the candidacy of Barack Obama, even though I don’t agree with everything he supports; but, as a woman, I was made to feel there was something wrong with me for feeling equally as proud of Clinton and Palin.

Dec 5, 2008 - 4:10 am 3. Trudy Schuett:

Why is it necessary for ANYONE to be a feminist anymore?

Dec 5, 2008 - 4:28 am 4. Craig:

A modern day June Cleaver?

YIKES. Somebody shoot me.

Dec 5, 2008 - 4:51 am 5. RE:

Michelle Obama is one of the least admirable public figures to come along in a while. Why anyone would choose her to be the face of anything is beyond me. Well, perhaps maybe ’self absorbed ice queen’ or something like that.

Dec 5, 2008 - 4:57 am 6. Martge:

Could she could choose to go all out to start a workout school to see if she could loose those “thunder thighs”…AND since she will be in the White House, could some one take her in hand and show her how to dress to look good and not like a thrift store queen. I know she has those thousand dollar dresses but they do absolutely nothing for her but show lack of taste.

Dec 5, 2008 - 5:44 am 7. susan:

Laughable. Her carreer is a direct cause of affirmative action and a good marriage that gained her profits.

If this woman is an example for other women feminism (the real one) gets back to the 18th century.

Dec 5, 2008 - 6:33 am 8. Deirdre:

I don’t like Michelle Obama’s personality. I hate her policies. But I can believe this is an honest decision on her part.

This transition is going to be HORRIBLE for her kids. They’re going from the neighborhood they’ve lived in all their lives to the White House. They’re going from a school where they had REAL friends to a school where people will want to be their friends just because they live in the White House.

I find it easy to believe that she loves her kids and wants to help them deal with all the change, at least initially…..

I’m sure in a year or so, once the kids get settled and she has more time, she’ll start doing things that irritate me again — but for now, I think this is an honest choice that she’s making because she loves her kids.

Dec 5, 2008 - 6:42 am 9. Robert Hurley:

Poor susan – Jealous of Michelle? Wow

Dec 5, 2008 - 6:51 am 10. susan:

Deirdre, the obama kids were already going to private expensive school and already had parents that were earning 6 digits income.

I doubt that even in the posh neighbourhood of chicago they had “real” friends.

Consider also the typical Obama attitude of favouring friends and accolites, a lot of people’s children were around the obama children to get something

Dec 5, 2008 - 6:52 am 11. Robert Hurley:

I love these assertions that Michelle got into Harvard Law School because of affermative action. They is an assertions rooted in racism. No one klnows how she ranked on her LSATs. She has certainly proven herself to be smart and articulate unlike many of her critics

Dec 5, 2008 - 6:55 am 12. susan:

How smart is for the woman of the candidate to say that she has been proud of her country once in her lifetime? (I guess now it amounts to 2 times)

Such a smart sentence to say, I bet you can find similar sentences said by other first ladies or wives of candidates through the years, it’s a worldwide known tactic to get elected. Yep, it must be true since michelle obama did it and it worked.

If there is one group of people that showed to be convinced racists is the black community, the obamas included. Saxby won in georgia because the black community couldn’t be bothered to vote for a white candidate. They already pushed their guy last november.

Also I seem to recall reading bits and pieces of one of michelle’s “works” and it was full of racist prejudices, but since they were all against whites, I suppose it doesn’t count for the obamatrons like robert.

PS: I also suppose calling your grandmother who paid for your schools “a white woman with white prejudices” doesn’t count as a racist statement

Dec 5, 2008 - 7:11 am 13. susan:

robert, i am usually not jealous of totally incapable people like yourself or michelle obama.

Dec 5, 2008 - 7:13 am 14. Saltherring:

Feminism died when its leaders took an oath of silence during the Bill Clinton follies.

Dec 5, 2008 - 7:34 am 15. Fred:

“an Ivy League-educated lawyer like Michelle Obama

Who wasn’t actually clever enough, but got in on affirmative action because of her skin colour.

Looks like she’s now found her level.”

What a jerk you are! You have NO idea what her scores or grades were – but you’re ready to knock her down because – let me guess – you couldn’t get into a good school and you blame black people for your idiocy! I just wonder if people like YOU would’ve voiced any problem with schools like Harvard and Princeton that purposely kept people out – regardless of their grades – based simply on their skin color…

No?

didn’t think so!

Dec 5, 2008 - 7:54 am 16. AnninCA:

I’m all for Michelle doing whatever it is that first ladies do, but I wish she hadn’t said, “mommy-in-chief.” That’s a bit much.

Dec 5, 2008 - 8:04 am 17. Fred:

Susan says: “Laughable. Her carreer is a direct cause of affirmative action and a good marriage that gained her profits.”

What a clown you are – AfAm may help a person get INTO Harvard – but it sure doesn’t help them GRADUATE – do you think YOU could do it? AfAm is debateable- black students drop out at much higher rates, but to suggest that a woman who graduated Princeton and THEN Harvard Law School is somehow intellectually inferrior to YOU (or others LIKE you) is laughable. and THEN to suggest that Obama rode in on Barack – who never made more than a few bucks until he became well known – is just plain mean. This woman had a high paying job BEFORE she got married – and met Obama at work – you’re just angry because you’re probably a flop who’ll never earn more than lower middle class income…
You sound like you cling to bitterness…

Dec 5, 2008 - 8:07 am 18. Fred:

“AfAm may help a person get INTO Harvard – but it sure doesn’t help them GRADUATE – do you think YOU could do it? AfAm is debateable-”

Ooops…

I meant AfAction…

Dec 5, 2008 - 8:09 am 19. Robert Hurley:

Susan – I know it is hard for you to understand the US from your European post, but you simply miss the boat on most things. By the way have you ever reviewed your comments for stupid things – No – I thought not

Dec 5, 2008 - 8:20 am 20. Thinking Person:

Can anyone else hear the crew-cut women hunkered down at the NOW headquarters somewhere gnashing their teeth? They bashed Sarah Palin who was, in reality, the type of woman they wanted ALL women to be. Have babies, leave them with the emasculated male at home and get back to work where you should be! Now that they’ve got Michelle Obama doing the exact opposite, it’ll be interesting to see how they reconcile that with their message in the future. That’ll be like biting the hand that feeds them. Maybe we’ll see NOW move back to a more centrist platform in the future? Better yet, maybe we’ll now see the stay-at-home moms get more credit for all that they actually do for a change! As much as I dislike Michelle Obama, that would at least be a small trade-off for having to put up with her husband for 4 years.

Dec 5, 2008 - 8:24 am 21. Deirdre:

When the Obama girls started at Lab, they weren’t even Senator’s daughters… They were STATE Senator’s daughters. Not a super-prestigious posiion, especially at a school where a lot of kids’ parents are academics who look down on politicians.

Sidwell is going to be a whole different world for them.

Dec 5, 2008 - 8:25 am 22. susan:

sorry fred, but i am not american and the first time i heard of this stupid AA I thought it is the childbirth of PC and white guilt.

In my country and most of continental europe (cannot be sure about UK or France) this would be an abomination.

Creating something like Affirmative action is exactly like claiming that black people are deficient and need a push to be at the level of the others.

Also I am not talking about inferior (which is spelled with 1 r and english is not my first language) or superior, michelle obama is a despicable person in spite of her alleged IQ or grades (it is probably a shock to you but I do not judge the goodness a person from their degrees or IQ).

Michelle obama has proven herself to be racist and anti-american, after all birds of a feather flock together, she also had the nerve to snipe with stupid remarks to Sarah Palin, who never mentioned her at all. Truly a shallow and envious individual. It must be hard to see someone becoming governor with no outside help and raising 5 children, one of which with down syndrome while she had to leave her job to raise only 2.

And about the fact that she benefitted greatly from her husband rise in politics here is the story

Just after Barack was elected to the United States Senate, Michelle Obama received a large pay increase—from $121,910 in 2004 to $316,962 in 2005 at the University of Chicago Hospitals.

Then in 2006 Barack Obama requested $1 million for a new pavilion at the University of Chicago Hospitals, where his wife, Michelle Obama, was a vice president at the time.

So, Barack Obama becomes Senator in 2004, his wife gets nearly a 300% pay raise or almost $200,000 raise in 2005 and then in 2006 Obama puts in an earmark for $1 million for the Hospitals where Michelle Obama works at. And this is legal, how? Thank GOD he was exposed by the Chicago Tribune and it was removed from the bill.

Remember, that $1 million was federal money and YOUR tax money. It was responsible for funding Michelle Obama’s pay raise and almost went to building a new wing for her bosses.

And also fred
“you’re just angry because you’re probably a flop who’ll never earn more than lower middle class income…”

I do not judge the goodness of a person from their paycheck.

Any job is honorable as the person doing it, as far as it’s honest.

So to sum it up, we are the racist, while you that despise people who didn’t graduate or do not earn 6 digit income should be the example to follow?

Dec 5, 2008 - 8:42 am 23. kb:

Hooray for Michele!!! Like a previous poster said—she IS irritating—but I LOVE that she is doing the “right” thing. More women should stay home and raise their kids. The state of today’s youth raised on TV, internet, junk food and daycare is horrific!!! The whole feminist movement for women to ignore those darn kids and work has created a couple of generations of “Feral” Americans—-just watch the news daily to find out the latest brutal torture/murder done by a minor with less morality or conscience than a wild dog. It’s today TRUE Liberated Woman who has the courage to stay home and do the most important job in the world!

Dec 5, 2008 - 8:45 am 24. Heather:

Hurley–she admitted herself, in her Princeton thesis (wracked with lousy grammar), that she was only admitted because she was black.

And her “law career” was brief and undistinguished, except by whining that she wasn’t being treated special enough; she quit after a couple of years for an easier patronage position.

Not impressed.

Dec 5, 2008 - 8:46 am 25. Heather:

Thinking Person [sic]:
Have babies, leave them with the emasculated male at home

If Todd Palin is “emasculated” there isn’t a single man on the planet with his cojones intact. Good grief.

Dec 5, 2008 - 8:48 am 26. susan:

Robert hurley, from my post in europe I can judge a jackass like your president elect or his voters just like anybody else, and I thank god that we will never have such an abomination as white guilt and affirmative action.

We do have wives of politicians taking advantage of their husband’s position (although not as gross and evident like michelle obama pay rise) but so far, they have all been exposed for the fraud that they are.

Missing the boat? It’s so simple robert, if you want to talk to like-minded obamatrolls, there are others sites.

If you think you can convince anybody here of your stupid theories, you are seriously mistaken, I pity those school drop out kids you claim to teach, they must have such a distorted view of the world that they will end up messed up as adults.

As much as earth shattering is may sound for you, you are barking at the moon, there is NOT a single person here that is convinced not only of your absurd posts but even that you are worth debating.

I admit I have fun in exposing your idiocy, but other than that you have no other use here.

Dec 5, 2008 - 8:49 am 27. Thinking Person:

Sorry Heather…I agree with you…my point was that was what NOW wanted ALL women to do. NOW would love to see all men with their “cajones” on a shelf somewhere. Should have made that plainer in my comment. Forgive.

Dec 5, 2008 - 8:59 am 28. Tatiana:

If my father were taking a big new job in another city, if I were going to have to leave my friends, start a new school, have my every movement watched by millions and know that every time I turned on the TV, that someone would be saying something disparaging about my mom and dad, I could sure use a mother. My mother, an independent business owner in her early 20’s, who made her money on her own and traveled alone in South America and Mexico in the early 1940’s decided that she wanted to marry the man she loved and have children. Like almost every career decision, that meant compromise, and she happily chose to change her focus from her business to her children. I know that part of my father’s success was based on close counsel with a smart woman and not having to worry about how his children were being cared for. I can’t imagine who I would rather have providing the support for two children who had little voice in sharing their father with a desperate world and the man who courageously has offered to lead it.

What is wrong with some of you?

Dec 5, 2008 - 9:09 am 29. Tina Trent:

Well, if “letting go of her career” means the good citizens of Chicago needn’t shell out a thousand dollars a day anymore for her faux “community outreach” position at a hospital funded by the public, then bully for her.

However, part of justifying the existence of fake jobs is making certain nobody notices that absenting oneself makes absolutely no difference in the running of things. So to save face, some other face will most likely replace Michelle Obama’s face on the wall, likely a face with the same attributes: a political connection and a fistful of degrees about feeling oppressed by institutions as they stuff your pockets with cash.

Nice work if you can get it.

Dec 5, 2008 - 9:13 am 30. tibby:

I don’t really like the Obamas, don’t really care what they do as a couple one way or the other. BUT – there is nothing at all wrong with Michelle O. wanting to be the mommy. We need to accept that motherhood and all that encompasses IS A VALID CHOICE. I hate what feminism has come to mean. We need dedicated mothers more than we need another half-assed CEO.

Dec 5, 2008 - 9:27 am 31. Citizen70:

Everything that Michelle and Barack Obama do is in their own political self-interest. To focus on her children now moves her to the political center of the country, just as her husband is doing. And, from my experience and that of my friends, a parent is needed at home more during a child’s teen years when no one else can look after them and offer counsel.

Dec 5, 2008 - 9:36 am 32. Robert Hurley:

Susan – I am sure you think you are very intelligent and witty, but more than anything your are sad

Dec 5, 2008 - 9:36 am 33. susan:

tatiana, some people here are starting to sound really pathetic.

So Michelle zerobama decided to stay at home with kids and be a whitehousewife.

This has been done previously by ALL the first wives with the single exception of Hillary Clinton.

The times have been different, the age of children and their number too, but this has been the common trend for all the first wives.

I fail to see why michelle zerobama is “more special”. I guess I have to read again Orwell’s classic about that part of the pigs being more equal.

Dec 5, 2008 - 9:41 am 34. susan:

robert, and you gather that i care about what you think of me from what?

anyway, I noticed that your recent 20 posts or so don’t even try to counter-debate what I say (because you lack intellectual ability and facts) but resume to name calling.

If you think you are making a point this way…

Dec 5, 2008 - 9:44 am 35. Fred:

Susan says:

“And about the fact that she benefitted greatly from her husband rise in politics here is the story

Just after Barack was elected to the United States Senate, Michelle Obama received a large pay increase—from $121,910 in 2004 to $316,962 in 2005 at the University of Chicago Hospitals.”

Do you have a single ounce of proof that the two are connected? Anything? Didn’t think so…

“Then in 2006 Barack Obama requested $1 million for a new pavilion at the University of Chicago Hospitals, where his wife, Michelle Obama, was a vice president at the time.

So, Barack Obama becomes Senator in 2004, his wife gets nearly a 300% pay raise or almost $200,000 raise in 2005 and then in 2006 Obama puts in an earmark for $1 million for the Hospitals where Michelle Obama works at. And this is legal, how? Thank GOD he was exposed by the Chicago Tribune and it was removed from the bill.”

Thank God? Isn’t that a bit strong? It’s not like Obama wanted one million for himself – or his wife – but for a HOSPITAL. Thank God? We have a sitting president who’s directed millions to private contractors in iraq with CLOSE connections to his administration – yet not a peep – but THANK GOD that some hospital didn’t get a new pavilion? Your priorities are pretty strange…

“Remember, that $1 million was federal money and YOUR tax money. It was responsible for funding Michelle Obama’s pay raise and almost went to building a new wing for her bosses.”

Proof? Oh – inuendo…

Thank God we have sleuths like you to enlighten us…

Dec 5, 2008 - 10:01 am 36. Fred:

Susan says: “sorry fred, but i am not american and the first time i heard of this stupid AA I thought it is the childbirth of PC and white guilt.

In my country and most of continental europe (cannot be sure about UK or France) this would be an abomination.

Creating something like Affirmative action is exactly like claiming that black people are deficient and need a push to be at the level of the others.”

No Susan – I don’t know what European nation you’re from – but it was YOUR peoples who brought slavery to the new world – when they weren’t spreading destruction elsewhere – so – just to quickly educate you on Affirmative Action – we had in America demonstrable discrimination – enforced by law – that kept qualified applicants from many differnet backgrounds out of schools, jobs, the military – whatever. Even after the civil war, blacks were kept out of schools and jobs. to remedy this abomination, we enacted laws that helped push the victims of oppression into schools and jobs. if that sounds to YOU like a diss to black people it’s because
A – you’re not black a woman or a minority of some type
B – you’re ignorant of history
C – discrimination against blacks (and women) sits just fine with you – but the remedy for that discrimination causes a problem. While we all agree that Affirmative action has not been without problems, the CAUSES that brought about that remedy were FAR MORE egregious and FAR more unfair – don’t you think? Or maybe you never had to ride at the back of a bus – nor did you have an application rejected simply because of your color or your gender or your religion…

Dec 5, 2008 - 10:09 am 37. Julia:

Who cares! If a woman wants to be a stay-at-home Mom, then good for her. If she wants to be a working-Mom, then good for her. As long as you are putting your kids first, which is sometimes acknowledging that you aren’t very good at being a stay-at-home Mom, do what is best for your family. I work part-time as a software engineer, not because I have to but I enjoy it, and it allows me to have quality time with my kids and family but also to work in an environment where I’m challenged intellectually. However, if it didn’t work for my kids, then they would come first period. I voted for McCain but I applaud Michelle Obama’s decision and find it ridiculous that it is even a talking point.

Dec 5, 2008 - 10:20 am 38. Robert Hurley:

Fred – you are trying to talk sense to someone (Susan)who does not have the ability to do anything but spout and spew hatred.

Dec 5, 2008 - 10:38 am 39. Craig:

“We have a sitting president who’s directed millions to private contractors in iraq with CLOSE connections to his administration.”

You’re kidding right? Evidently, you’re quite unfamiliar with how the defense industry works.

Dec 5, 2008 - 10:45 am 40. The emerging democratic majority:

Oh, yes, just keep on shouting out all your nixonian resenment, my dear Republicans! It worked really well in the 2006 and 2008 elections. Keep it up.

And please, please keep on supporting Sarah Palin. The gift that keeps on giving.

Dec 5, 2008 - 11:08 am 41. Fred:

““We have a sitting president who’s directed millions to private contractors in iraq with CLOSE connections to his administration.”

You’re kidding right? Evidently, you’re quite unfamiliar with how the defense industry works.”

No – i’m pretty sure it’s a revolving door between the administration, the pentagon and the contractors. Does it surprise ANYONE that many of Blackwater’s executives came right from this administration? Not that this is the first to do it – just the most recent…

“Now an investigation by the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform has underscored the lavish extent of Blackwater’s payments and its relationship to the Bush administration. The committee, which held hearings on the use of security contractors in Iraq yesterday, should investigate these links further.

Former Bush administration officials are peppered throughout Blackwater’s highest executive positions. Erik Prince, the former Navy Seal who founded the company, was a White House intern under President George H. W. Bush and has been a Republican financier since, with more than $225,000 in political contributions.

Mr. Prince’s sister, Betsy DeVos, is a former chairwoman of the Michigan Republican Party and a “pioneer” who raised $100,000 for the Bush-Cheney ticket in 2004. Her husband, the former Amway chief executive Richard DeVos Jr., was the Republican nominee for governor of Michigan in 2006.”

Dec 5, 2008 - 11:18 am 42. susan:

robert, it is your personal speculation that i do not have the ability to do anything.

Unlike yourself who spends 24/7 on this board of people you claim to despise supporting a party that you claim to despise, I’d say that among the 2, you are far more in the wrong place than I am. Don’t you have your imaginary volunteer job to do? It’s bank holiday in my country so I stayed at home today.

And whatever I reached in life, I did it on my own strenghts. And I am proud of that.

I suppose this sounds bad for the wannabe babysitters of the world like robert hurley that only exists in function of the weakness of others.

Dec 5, 2008 - 11:21 am 43. ew:

Just like her husband.. and the leftist illuminati in this election. I have to wonder if a true agenda is going to come out in the next few years. She does seem a little too career ambitious to settle for being a soccer mom.

Dec 5, 2008 - 11:27 am 44. susan:

The emerging democratic majority, we learnt everything from democrats during the 8 years of bush, so don’t blame us, we learnt from the best haters in the world

Dec 5, 2008 - 11:30 am 45. wade:

Wow. Susan you are pathetically ignorant on American issues. Stick to your European socialism. Thanks.

Dec 5, 2008 - 12:13 pm 46. susan:

wade, you don’t need a harvard degree to know that affirmative action doesn’t consider all people equal.

It doesn’t matter when one comes from, but I notice with pleasure your racism.

PS: You elected a full blown marxist, so please don’t be so stupid to point the fingers at other “socialist” countries. You will soon join the club.

Dec 5, 2008 - 12:25 pm 47. Brittany:

Actually, no one knows anything about the Obama’s collecge, law school or employment history because the records have all been concealed. The “information” that floats around is mere rumor. Word is that Barack got into those schools as a foreign student. But we cannot find out the true facts because the records have been sealed like his birth certificate.

This was the year of rank sexism in the political world. Turning Michelle and Hillary into stepford wives and demonizing Palin was equal to the skill with which the rove types advanced “religious right” wedge issues. I had my fill of the democratic party after that and became an indepedent. I used to think the Repulicans were the party of sexism and hypocrisy, but this year proved that the Democrats have won that title and intend to hold onto it.

Dec 5, 2008 - 12:28 pm 48. Robert Hurley:

Susan:

You are right about one thing – This is a waste of my time and I have work to do before I leave for the day

Dec 5, 2008 - 12:43 pm 49. Saltherring:

Fred at 36:

News Bulletin: The Civil War ended 143 years ago. The need for dinosaur programs such as Affirmative Action died decades ago. It is amazing that a European woman (Susan) seems to know more about America than any or all PM’s leftist trolls.

Dec 5, 2008 - 1:08 pm 50. OneWithTheWorld:

She’s too dumb and lazy to say anything else. What else could she say. At least, we’ll not have to hear from her or Clueless Joe much from now on out.

Dec 5, 2008 - 1:35 pm 51. Chris in Toronto:

Robert Hurley: Are you saying you’re haunting this board and taunting Susan WHILE AT WORK?

Dec 5, 2008 - 2:55 pm 52. Chris in Toronto:

Susan: you write so well I’d never have known your first language isn’t English. Congrats!

Dec 5, 2008 - 2:56 pm 53. Saltherring:

Chris in Toronto:

Yes, it seems Hurley is posting while at work. I’m rather surprised, as he doesn’t seem bright enough to hold a job. He probably works for the city of Berkley.

Dec 5, 2008 - 5:12 pm 54. Ms Attitude:

ATTENTION FRED AND ROBERT HURLEY:

Go read Huffingtonpost.com….your friends are turning on each other. All of the things “the right-wing nuts” foretold are starting to come true–He’s breaking his promises. His “Clinton II” cabinet, his selection of HRC for SOS all goes against everything he promised his followers. How about him backtracking on the windfall tax on big oil? How about him holding off on raising taxes on those that make more than $250K a year? He’s a liar. He has no respect for the Constitution!!! Thank you so much for voting for him!!! NOT!

And his wife isn’t doing anything special…I quit my job to stay home with my children and numerous other women do it too. Now I’m back at work and a lot further back on the food chain than most people my age. All of the jobs that I qualify for are going to black females that are less qualified than me…so much for your affirmative action!! (I work for the federal govt! Black women do not need to be qualified to advance there and most of the black men are unqualified too!)

Dec 5, 2008 - 5:42 pm 55. Marauder:

“If Todd Palin is “emasculated” there isn’t a single man on the planet with his cojones intact. Good grief.”

Seriously. Don’t know much about him, but physically, that is one fine-looking macho hunk of man.

Michelle Obama’s driving feminists nuts? Go Michelle! Wow, I never thought I’d say that.

Her kids are going to be going through so many huge transitions, it’s probably a good idea for her to be “mom-in-chief”. I don’t like her on the whole, but I do like that her kids are her big priority. I can believe that she genuinely wants to do this, not that it’s some kind of plot to soften her up. Although I’m sure it has that advantage for Barack…

Dec 5, 2008 - 6:05 pm 56. ShyAsrai:

While Mrs. Obama is one of my least favorite public persons, I have to say that I’m truly sick and tired of all the spurious crap that has recently been unleashed upon professional women in the public eye.

It only becomes more and more clear that ‘feminists’ do not support CHOICE.

(perhaps that their true agenda and obvious hypocrisy is revealed is a good thing)

Dec 5, 2008 - 8:16 pm 57. vivo:

6. Martge:

Go back to your cave.

Dec 6, 2008 - 4:00 am 58. vivo:

12. susan:

“How smart is for the woman of the candidate to say that she has been proud of her country once in her lifetime?”

I’m NOT proud of this country until people PROVE they are worth being proud of. (Some have, but not many)

Dec 6, 2008 - 4:06 am 59. vivo:

46. susan:

“wade, you don’t need a harvard degree to know that affirmative action doesn’t consider all people equal.”

Affirmative Action was created because hiring managers are (were?) racist.

Racism soars in Europe. Talk about Turkish, Spanish, African immigrant workers being . . .

Dec 6, 2008 - 4:19 am 60. susan:

vivo, what “race” the spanish are?

please make an ass of yourself, I need my daily laugh from leftist trolls

Dec 6, 2008 - 7:33 am 61. Jamie Woolf:

I’m thrilled that just by using the term Mom-in-Chief, she conveys that the job of mom requires leadership skills, chief among them managing conflict, creating a family culture, focusing on big picture goals, setting an example, creating motivating conditions. Jamie, author of the upcoming book Mom-in-Chief. http://www.mominchief.com

Dec 6, 2008 - 8:03 am 62. HoustonAnne:

Why is it necessary for anyone to be a feminist anymore?

1. Violence against women has been rising among college age women for some time now, and I read a campus article that many young women ACCEPT it as the price of having a boyfriend.

2. Women still don’t earn the same pay for the same job. For those who think the Lily Ledbetter bill will fix that, watch how job titles are changed and assertions are made that it is NOT “the same work.”

3. The sexist comments — and behavior by Jim Favreau in the recent photo — suggest that it’s still acceptable to undermine women as “hysterical” or “hormonal.” During the primaries Clinton was derided as “riding her husband’s coattails” and now there is discussion that BILL will actually be telling her how to be Secretary of State. How much more can you discount a woman’s abilities and work than this?

4. Women are still more likely to live in poverty — whether through males not taking financial responsibility for their children, divorce, widowhood or simply outliving the money available to them.

5. Women’s careers are still penalized by taking the option to be parents, and men who choose fulltime parenthood — even for a short period are pitied and looked upon as “lesser.”

Anyone who cannot see that these things are still occurring needs to consider whether they even SEE what real equality for women IS. What it is NOT is being told “you just want a vagina” by those who see nothing wrong with celebrating the HISTORIC Black Presidency (still male) when REAL CHANGE would have been the FEMALE who was running — if we had been able to see her as a person in her own right and NOT just as some kind of extension of her husband. She was penalized for all his errors (or perceived errors), incapable of accomplishing the Senate race without being married to him, yada yada yada. I will not live to see the time a woman is taken as herself and elected to the Presidency.

When Caroline Kennedy runs, I suspect she will find out she is not herself but “JFK’s daughter.” Caroline and I lost our fathers the same year, although I was a bit older than she was. When someone like myself (and Hillary was more like me than Caroline Kennedy is) has a chance at becoming President, or even Senator, then women will have equality politically. My roots are even more humble than Obama’s.

Dec 6, 2008 - 8:47 am 63. Saltherring:

Ms Attitude @ 54:

My bright, highly motivated and well educated sister quit her U.S. Dept of Defense job in the 90’s, after 20 years of service, for exactly the reasons your job frustrates you. Affirmative Action grants unearned opportunity to the unskilled, unmotivated and uneducated over those who are much higher qualified, and breeds deep resentments while doing so. My sister is still angry at the smug, arrogant and undeserving people who intimidated her weak-willed managers into promoting them.

I also worked for the Dept of Defense, and am retired after 33 years of service. I hired approximately 100 people, from entry-level trades apprentices to engineers, during my last 5 years or so. I also sat on dozens of rating panels (for promotions) during my career. The first person I ever hired was black, but only because he was the most qualified candidate for the position. I faced significant pressure to hire women and minororities, but refused to budge, hiring only the best, which (not surprisingly) were often women and racial minorities.

Conclusion: It is morally wrong to favor, for any reason, one person or group above another. If anything, these practices succeed in breeding the racism they are designed to overcome.

Dec 6, 2008 - 8:56 am 64. Mary Jackson:

Affirmative Action grants unearned opportunity to the unskilled, unmotivated and uneducated over those who are much higher qualified, and breeds deep resentments while doing so.

Very true. Not least among those members of “victim” categories who have got there on merit.

If I had been a black student at Princeton who had got in on merit, I would be furious at Michelle Obama for undermining my achievement. She should be utterly ashamed of herself for stealing – yes, stealing – a place from a more deserving applicant. Instead she has shamelessly capitalised on grievance, writing – if writing is the right word for that illiterate gibberish – a senior thesis on how badly done to she was. She whined that she was seen as “black first and a student second”. Hardly surprising because she only got in by being black.

Dec 6, 2008 - 12:18 pm 65. Ms Attitude:

63. Saltherring: Thank you…and you also know that it is equally as frustrating for the black woman who is qualified to be sitting in a meeting with an unqualified black woman because she knows that everyone is viewing her in the same light.

Dec 6, 2008 - 12:52 pm 66. Lark:

“To give the impression that she’s going to be living the life of a real stay-at-home mother —cooking, watching The View and Days of Our Lives, taking the girls to soccer, picking them up from school every day, and helping with their homework, is wrong. If that were the case, then we wouldn’t be hearing how her mother is coming to live with them to help take care of the girls.”

Funny, this “real” stay-at-home parent doesn’t spend time watching The View or Days of Our Lives, but rather searches and re-searches job boards for opportunities which will maximize the amount of time I can spend with my daughter. When the hours are right, I am over qualified, and when I qualify, the part-time pay doesn’t allow me to pay a babysitter, most likely to be female, a decent wage. Quality day care where I live means waiting lists or paying full-time prices for part-time care, and the day care providers I’ve observed don’t seem to be making wages that keep them enthused about their charges.

I’d love to move closer to my family and have a support system (thank you Camille Paglia for understanding this working class women’s dilemma!!), or have the money to move them closer to us and our white house, but right now jobs dictate where we live. And even though I’m helping my husband “oppressor” pursue an advanced degree, I seriously doubt he’ll see a 300 percent pay increase when he finishes and I take my turn at racking up our student loans.

Mom-in-chief indeed. I’d give feminists my whole-hearted support if I could believe the movement was working for more family-oriented choices for women, other than the choice to terminate a living–potentially female–being or marry another woman. But, gasp, some of us do take time off attacking that glass ceiling to raise daughters who will take the stairs.

Dec 6, 2008 - 6:52 pm 67. vivo:

60. susan:

“vivo, what “race” the spanish are?”

You’re right here, they are white. I was thinking about the discrimination they get in other European countries, like Germany. Xenophobia.

Dec 7, 2008 - 3:27 am 68. Lisa:

Michelle Obama is married to a sexist pig… a man who when he is at his most guarded still refers to strange women as ’sweetie’, small dogs dismissively as ‘girlie’, described his opponent as ‘periodically feeling down’ and found it amusing to play ‘99 problems but a b*tch ain’t one’ when defeating a female opponent. Michelle Obama herself made at least one sexist comment when she questioned Hillary Clinton’s ability to govern because she couldn’t keep Bill from straying.

Yet, NOW and other so-called feminists supported this all male ticket (a first!) against a mixed gender ticket; in fact, they were part and parcel of the sexism heaped upon both Clinton and Palin. So no, it doesn’t surprise me to see Michelle Obama described as the new face of feminism.. apparently, the new face of feminism is not only ignoring sexism but also using it attack women who have different political views.

BTW… Mr. Change has brought change alright… he has less women in his cabinet so far than either W. or Clinton had.

Dec 7, 2008 - 5:40 am 69. Ms Attitude:

68. Lisa: “apparently, the new face of feminism is not only ignoring sexism but also using it attack women who have different political views.”

I agree that he is not a friend of women. NOW doesn’t represent the bulk of women in the USA, thankfully!!!

Dec 7, 2008 - 6:51 am 70. NahnCee:

Per lots of lessons from the liberal left these past 4 or 5 years in vindictive snarkiness, I am very much looking forward to myriad opportunities to take personal potshots at First Lady MacBeth Obama. From her ginormous ass to her aggressive personality to her hypocritical mommyism to her climb up the affirmative action ladder – when I get tired of being annoyed by Obama’s skankiness and elephant ears, there will be a Michelle target.

I thought Laura Bush did a lovely job as first lady, standing by her man and her country and, always, being the “lady” part of “first lady”. I’m not sure what Mrs. B. Hussein’s act will end up being, from hoochie mamma to angry black woman, but I’m positively certain it won’t be any part of the definition of “lady”.

Dec 7, 2008 - 10:48 am 71. Ann:

70. NahnCee…I have been TRYING to behave myself and not point out that in order to be First Lady, you have to (first) be a lady.

Your incisive comments have pushed me over the edge…to say what I’m thinking. She may be first woman. She will never be First Lady.

Michelle Obama is a lot of things, but “lady” isn’t one of them. She’s a “take no prisoners” politico who will KILL anything that gets in her way. Woman: apparently. Lady: not a chance.

Dec 7, 2008 - 12:04 pm 72. hp:

Maybe some of it is due to suspicion that this nurturing, earth-mother version of Michelle Obama isn’t really her at all

bing-ng-GOH! absolutely is NOT her. watch her body language when she is herself and forgetting to pose.

bitter. angry. seeming capable of being quite vicious if approached with questions regarding the truth.

political cartoons that repeatedly depict the president-elect cowering from her say it all.

Dec 8, 2008 - 5:11 am 73. Steve:

@Fred: You insult Susan for drawing a correlation between Michelle Obama’s pay raise and Barack Obama’s election to the Senate. You wrote: “Do you have a single ounce of proof that the two are connected? Anything? Didn’t think so…”

Then you write: “No – i’m pretty sure it’s a revolving door between the administration, the pentagon and the contractors. Does it surprise ANYONE that many of Blackwater’s executives came right from this administration? Not that this is the first to do it – just the most recent…”

So, not that I disagree with you but: Do you have a single ounce of proof that the two are connected? Anything? Didn’t think so…

As for Affirmative Action, Susan is correct. It is an abomination.

Dec 8, 2008 - 5:19 am 74. Saltherring:

I believe “Affirmatice Action” Michelle to be a racist and white-male-hater of the highest order. Barry might have slept through the sermons at Rev. Wrights “church”, but it’s obvious the head of his household was a leader in the “amen” chorus.

Dec 8, 2008 - 8:38 am 75. Steve P.:

Katherine Berry: “Her apparent belief that Americans would continue voting based on skin color struck many, including myself, as racist.”

It was also a correct belief. A majority of white Americans did not vote for Obama. Nearly every other ethnic group voted in a majority for Obama. So she was right, at least in regards to whites.

Dec 8, 2008 - 1:58 pm 76. Jim:

“It doesn’t matter when one comes from, but I notice with pleasure your racism.”

Apparently this “Susan” thinks Europeans are a race distinct form Americans, and that a disparaging remark aimed at a European is racist, but no………….

“vivo, what “race” the spanish are?”

It’s clear she’s not really capable of thinking at all. She just emotes.

Dec 8, 2008 - 2:11 pm 77. Steve P.:

“As for Affirmative Action, Susan is correct. It is an abomination.”

Bullarcky. Just look at the neighborhood in Texas that the outgoing POTUS is moving into. Until 2000, it was whites-only. How can we accept that opportunities are the same for all races when in this century some races are still barred from living anywhere that they can afford to? Unless and until opportunites are truly equal, affirmative action is a necessary evil.

Dec 8, 2008 - 2:12 pm 78. Steve P.:

Additionally, as if it even needs to be said, but the rhetoric in here is truly disgusting. You ought to be ashamed to be speaking in such a way about the future first lady of the United States. Liberals may have gone pretty hard after Bush and Cheney over the past few years, but at least they had the decency and class to keep the first lady and her children out of it. Unlike you conservatives, who got such a kick out of calling Chelsea Clinton “the family dog.” Real nice, guys. Real nice.

Dec 8, 2008 - 2:31 pm 79. Saltherring:

Steve P. @ 75: I did not vote for Obama because he:

(1) Is not qualified, by lack of experience, to be POTUS.
(2) Campaigned as an extreme leftist.

It had nothing to do with race. I would be proud, in the future, to cast my vote for a qualified, conservative, black man or woman for president.

Dec 8, 2008 - 3:00 pm 80. susan:

steve, 94% of blacks voted for the black candidate, i guess they are all racists.

If asians voted for the black candidate, it makes them open minded, but the totality of blacks for obummer are a bunch of racists without the shadow of a doubt.

Dec 8, 2008 - 3:01 pm 81. susan:

jim, your limited mental capabilities are on full display here. I do not know what is the race of the people trying to prevent me from saying my opinion only because I come from another continent, but it is ironic that the protectors of equal opportunities are so quick in shutting other voices.

But if it’s too difficult for you to understand, don’t bother. Stay at the http://www.wedorkliberals.com

Dec 8, 2008 - 3:04 pm 82. susan:

“Bullarcky. Just look at the neighborhood in Texas that the outgoing POTUS is moving into. Until 2000, it was whites-only.”

so what? since when being white is a crime?

Since you decided it’s radical chic to be racist against whites?

“Liberals may have gone pretty hard after Bush and Cheney over the past few years, but at least they had the decency and class to keep the first lady and her children out of it.”

maybe because Laura bush was a decent person?

What has michelle zerobama done to have my respect? she is a racist anti-white disgraceful person who gained power through affirmative action and the crooks friends of his husband.

Look at yourself in the mirror and look at the treatment to sarah palin, I wish the ugly michelle would get 10 times as much.

Dec 8, 2008 - 3:09 pm 83. NahnCee:

Steve P – yeah. Like we didn’t learn the grassroots basics on how to be disgusting from Code Pink, Mother Sheehan and the rest of your moonbat KozKidz haters. Get used to it, bozo — the best is yet to come.

AND, since conservatives are so much smarter than libtards, there’ll even be some humor mixed in with the acid.

Dec 8, 2008 - 6:38 pm 84. marymcl:

I really love all these guys ganging up on Susan here on behalf of the oppressed Michelle. Mr. Hurley seems to be making a cottage industry of it – there must be half a dozen threads on this site where he’s calling Susan names. Can anyone say obsession?

And Steve P – It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to realize that if a majority of white people hadn’t voted for Obama, he wouldn’t be president-elect today. In fact you have it exactly backwards – race had everything to do with it, but not for the reason you think. Sad but true.

Get a clue – your man won and soon he’ll be in the same position as Bush-the-Hitler-Monkey (Tell me, do you really think Laura Bush was never bothered by any of that crap?) So when the nasty pigeons come home to roost, just remember who sent them out in the first place.

Dec 9, 2008 - 6:38 am 85. Steve:

@Steve P. #77:

Late to respond, but just had to…

What the frak does Affirmative Action have to do with housing communities in Texas? Nothing. Go read up on what Affirmative Action is before you make youself sound even dumber.

Don’t you understand how racist Affirmative Action is TOWARDS blacks? Do you not see how it paints all blacks as incapable of succeeding without the intervention of AA? If you can’t see this, then you are, unfortunately, a liberal. Sad that.

Dec 15, 2008 - 5:10 am 86. NMSC:

came across this post way after the fact, but two quick thoughts. we desperately need feminism – the abuse of women around the world is pandemic. the problem is that many U.S. feminists have become so “multiculturally sensitive” that they don’t want to do much about it for fear of offending the mainly brown male offenders.

secondly, feminists did not stay quiet during the Clinton affair. they were ticked as hell and said so in column after column, so I’ll give them that.

Jan 21, 2009 - 11:06 am 87. Yolonda:

Wow!

Jan 21, 2009 - 11:12 am 88. Wisdom:

To all that applied if you know being black in america was a committment to the back of everything at one time and on spotlight all the time especially if you appear to be equal or intelligent.
let it stand that this had to happen to wake everyone UP and the world has to see it the way it is now we have seen the way it was in the US Homeless Hopeless Hungry and those people that was in that catagory was ignored and left alone due to expectations of more than what could be delivered by them let us now focus on what WE can do and not what someone else can not. This is Biblical.

Jan 22, 2009 - 3:12 am 89. Maya:

Jealousy raises her ugly head. The hypocrisy of White (yes, I said “White”) feminists. Michelle Robinson Obama is a brilliant wife, mother, lawyer, and (now) First Lady of the United States of America. You don’t like it, leave. (Man, that felt good to say)

Jan 23, 2009 - 5:34 pm 90. beatrice:

Typo.
I think if Michelle’s face look likes Tyra Bank, many people would smile with the real beauty. But since Michelle has an ugly face and racist, most people don’t forgive her for that.
I don’t care what Michelle wears or look, I already knew Michelle is not pretty but ugly, somehow I believe in fate, and that’s her fate to live in the White House.
If Michele is so brillant she would have NOT made her racism comments in the public.

Sorry, Maya, I am not White, and I speak the facts, Michelle is real ugly no matter what she wears.

May 3, 2009 - 1:09 pm

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