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Minneapolis Imam Decries ‘the Hell of Living in America’

Hassan Mahmoud was already under fire for defense of suicide bombings and the airport alcohol fatwa.

May 22, 2009 - by Patrick Poole

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As the FBI has ongoing investigations in numerous cities across the country looking into the disappearances of possibly dozens of young Somali men who have left the country to presumably join the jihad and train in terror camps back home, attention has recently been focused on one Minneapolis imam. Hassan Mohamud (Jamici) has been singled out by some in that community as being one of the radicalization influences in the Twin Cities.

Minneapolis has the largest Somali population in the country. In an interview with USA Today, Mohamud denied any connection to the missing men. But the findings of one recent news report by the Minneapolis Fox News affiliate is sure to keep Mohamud in the spotlight.

According to that Fox News report, the imam appeared in a fundraising video posted on YouTube (now since removed) for his mosque, the Islamic Daw’ah Institute in St. Paul. In his appearance he encourages viewers to donate to the mosque’s project, which he says “can save you from the hell of living in America.”

When questioned by reporter Tom Lyden, Mohamud attempted to clarify (with his attorney immediately at hand) that by “hell” he was using a religious term denoting “suffering and pain” and general hardships in America, not the travail of living with non-Muslims. Having offered that explanation, however, he did not explain why the video had been taken down from the website.

He was also asked about the following comments he had made two years ago when he was interviewed by Minnesota Law & Politics magazine about the legitimacy of suicide bombings for an article:

L&P: The Quran equates the taking of an innocent life with killing all of humanity, yet some Muslims say suicide bombings are justified. Can you explain this contradiction?

HM: There are scholars who say that there is one place where suicide is not prohibited. It’s an exceptional case for them because they have no other means. It is Palestine. This is because it is the only means they have to free their country. Otherwise, any other places in the world, suicide means becomes prohibited.

Mohamud contends that he was not offering his own opinion. When asked if he believed that suicide bombings were wrong under any condition, he had to stop the interview three separate times and consult his attorney before responding. That prompted Lyden to comment, “It may be complicated, but if it’s difficult for the imam some may wonder how clear it is for the young people he’s teaching.” Coincidentally, Mohamud is also an attorney and teaches a course on Islamic law at the William Mitchell College of Law.

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52 Comments

1. whataloadacrap08:

Who had the bright idea of importing 12th century Somali savages into 21st century America?

May 21, 2009 - 11:46 pm 2. PatriotUSA:

Mahmoud can snivel all he wants. If it is so hellish here in America for him then he is FREE to leave and go back to whatever mussie, stoneage mulsim country he would rather live in.
He should be deported and stripped aod any visas or be banned from returning to the USA for the duration. Or the mullah obamaham could find a place for him in his cabinet of racists and anti-semities. More power to the FBI to be able to ferret out scums like this loser who wants nothing more than to see a world wide Islamic Caliphate, and for Islam to be the dominant ideology in the world, as it is not a religion. These are the Islamic radicals the left will bend over backwards to protect and coddle under the delusion of diversity and multiculturalism at all costs. Irregardless to the very real threats these scums are, to this country and beyond.

May 21, 2009 - 11:48 pm 3. expat:

‘the hell of living in America’ eh? Don’t let the door hit you in the a** on the way out, pal.

May 22, 2009 - 12:11 am 4. LeighB:

Thank you, FBI, for doing your job. Whatever other agency should be involved, get busy and get this clown outta town. Permanently.

May 22, 2009 - 3:01 am 5. Gary Ogletree:

The whole jihad movement in the West will fizzle as little Ali and Fatima find they prefer the American or European life style over Daddy’s nasty no fun religion.

May 22, 2009 - 3:26 am 6. Vaughn:

I’ll be glad to put him out of his misery if the courts will give me a pass.

May 22, 2009 - 4:09 am 7. Paul -Indiana:

Go back to the Islamic Paradise of your choice.

May 22, 2009 - 4:59 am 8. colin wilkinson:

“Who had the bright idea of importing 12th century Somali savages into 21st century America?”

The Democratic Farmer Labor Party of Minnesota. For those who aren’t familiar the DFL is arguably the most Socialistic of all state Democrat parties.

May 22, 2009 - 5:10 am 9. SmartGrunt:

When given a choice, Muslims enjoy the “hell” of living in freedom than in tyranny.

May 22, 2009 - 5:57 am 10. John Galt:

L&P: The Quran equates the taking of an innocent life with killing all of humanity, >>

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This is a lie.

“Slay them wherever you find them…Idolatry is worse than carnage…Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God’s religion reigns supreme.” (Surah 2:190-)

“Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it.” (Surah 2:216)

“If you should die or be slain in the cause of God, His forgiveness and His mercy would surely be better than all the riches…” (Surah 3:156-)

“Seek out your enemies relentlessly.” (Surah 4:103-)

“Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends.” (Surah 5:51)

“Believers, when you encounter the infidels on the march, do not turn your backs to them in flight. If anyone on that day turns his back to them, except it be for tactical reasons…he shall incur the wrath of God and Hell shall be his home…” (Surah 8:12-)

“Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God’s religion shall reign supreme.” (Surah 8:36-)

“…make war on the leaders of unbelief…Make war on them: God will chastise them at your hands and humble them. He will grant you victory over them…” (Surah 9:12-)

“Fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures were given [Jews and Christians]…until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued.” (Surah 9:27-)

http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/koran.html

“Kill the Jews and the Christians if they do not convert to Islam or refuse to pay Jizya tax.”
By 3 sadlerx on December 06, 2007

Koran 9:29

This is what many of our enemies believe about the rest of the worlds population:

“Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them.” Koran 2:191

“Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood.” Koran 9:123

“When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them.” Koran 9:5

“Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable.” Koran 3:85

“The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them.” Koran 9:30

“Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam” Koran 5:33

“The infidels are unclean; do not let them into a mosque.” Koran 9:28

“Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies.” Koran 22:19

“Do not hanker for peace with the infidels; behead them when you catch them.” Koran 47:4

http://jyte.com/cl/%E2%80%9Ckill-the-jews-and-the-christians-if-they-do-not-convert-to-islam-or-refuse-to-pay-jizya-tax.%E2%80%9D

see also

http://www.themoviefitna.com/

May 22, 2009 - 6:08 am 11. Rick:

Ah, ain’t islam a wonderful thing!!

May 22, 2009 - 6:19 am 12. ked5:

Mohamud attempted to clarify (with his attorney immediately at hand) that by “hell” he was using a religious term denoting “suffering and pain” and general hardships in America,

not the travail of living with non-Muslims.

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really. me thinks the iman doth protest too much. (why else would he have mentioned it?)

May 22, 2009 - 6:22 am 13. anton:

I would be happy to pay for his ticket so that he can return to the “hell of living in Somalia”. Why are we letting people like this into our country? It isn’t as if we didn’t already have enough unproductive, Hate-America-First types filling our cities.

Ship all the people that find the USA unpalatable back to where they came from, they can still hate us from afar, and we won’t have to listen to their endless whining.

I’m getting a dog and a bottle of Scotch and buying a ticket Minnieapolis-Saint Paul airport. When I get there I’m flagging down a taxi and telling him I want to go to the best BBQ pork place in town.

May 22, 2009 - 6:31 am 14. anton:

12. ked5: Good point;

And why does he need an attorney to clarify his religious beliefs?

He is Freaking Imam, and an attorney to boot! He is the one setting forth the beliefs.

“general hardships of living in America” as opposed to living in some stone-age hell-hole? This guy is amazing.

May 22, 2009 - 6:36 am 15. Big Red:

This is the way it started in Britain. You try to be nice, let these people come in and give them sanctuary. Then they start bitching about how evil and un-Muslim your society is, next thing you know your subways and buses are blowing up. Unlike the real Hell, this one you can leave anytime you want. Just head out to the airport, they got planes leaving every minute. Take you to any “paradise” you want to go to.

May 22, 2009 - 7:06 am 16. RAHM:

I have been very critical of International Criminal claim for refugee status in usa,Terrorist Sympasizer Hawiye clan ,HAWIYE clan warlord sh. …. They kill man, woman and child; Christian and Hindu, Jew and Muslim. …

He is just tip of iceberg,My own family ran away from somalia from this Wahhabi clansmen he should never have been allowed in America..HUTU HAWIYE ..now we have to pack our bags and run away to Mars !’.Otherwise.Now we can say let us round them all up and GITMO they will go. He should be locked up for a long time!Lock them up play music very loud and the song should be : { AMERIhttp://terrorfreesomalia.blogspot.com/CA THE BEAUTIFUL } ….

May 22, 2009 - 7:33 am 17. RAHM:

He is just tip of iceberg,My own family ran away from somalia from this Wahhabi clansmen he should never have been allowed in America..HUTU HAWIYE ..now we have to pack our bags and run away to Mars !’.Otherwise.Now we can say let us round them all up and GITMO . He should be locked up for a long time!Lock them up play music very loud and the song should be : { CA THE BEAUTIFUL } ….http://terrorfreesomalia.blogspot.com/

May 22, 2009 - 7:38 am 18. RAHM:

He is just tip of iceberg,My own family ran away from somalia from this Wahhabi clansmen he should never have been allowed in America..HUTU HAWIYE ..now we have to pack our bags and run away to Mars !’.Otherwise.Now we can say let us round them all up and GITMO . He should be locked up for a long time!Lock them up play music very loud and the song should be : { america THE BEAUTIFUL } ….http://terrorfreesomalia.blogspot.com/

May 22, 2009 - 7:39 am 19. savage24:

My only question is, what the hell is this idiot in this country in the first place?

May 22, 2009 - 7:40 am 20. wildman:

Exactly what do these morons bring to america? Your invited here and all you can do is bitch. You will make a fine addition to the morons in the democratic party who invited you here in the first place. When we have had enough of your bitching and support of terrorists on our own soil, we will know what to do. Read our history, what you can expect is contained therein.

May 22, 2009 - 7:47 am 21. anton:

20. wildman: They bring votes to pols with “D” after their names.

May 22, 2009 - 8:01 am 22. The Wizard:

Now I understand how Al Franken got so popular in MN! Have you people lost your minds?

May 22, 2009 - 8:26 am 23. anton:

22. The Wizard: Don’t forget, zombies like Franken too.

May 22, 2009 - 8:31 am 24. Snake eater:

Ah yes the good imam is just the latest obama voter thats let the mask slip at an inopportune moment.

May 22, 2009 - 8:32 am 25. kelly k:

“Now I understand how Al Franken got so popular in MN! Have you people lost your minds?” Oh, it’s not only Al Franken. Don’t forget Keith “Hakkim B” Ellison. Elected in full collusion with the Minneapolis Star Tribune.

As for Hassan Mahmoud, he’s not going to leave this place he hates so much. And I don’t believe he’s going to fizzle out either. The Somalis recognized the goldmine potential of our Culture of Complaint about three seconds after arriving here. Like our own homegrown leftists, they are trying to undermine the US from inside its institutions. As long as Mahmoud can find stupid, childish losers to listen to him, and fellow travelers to support him, he’ll carry on. Cf. Reverend Wright. What we should do is start holding our elected officials responsible for creating/not dealing with these threats, and hold our institutions responsible for providing them a forum.

May 22, 2009 - 8:56 am 26. coisty:

Who had the bright idea of importing 12th century Somali savages into 21st century America?

Both Republicans and Democrats favor open borders and believe that it is racist to oppose them.

May 22, 2009 - 9:08 am 27. tanstaafl:

“It may be complicated, but if it’s difficult for the imam some may wonder how clear it is for the young people he’s teaching.”

It’s not complicated.

Operatively, anything goes, taking of innocent life, suicide, whatever, when it comes to defeating Jews, Christians, the infidel/unbeliever.

This guy is no different, whispering with his lawyer when asked about some supposedly contradictory teachings on taking innocent life/suicide.

Minnesota and Michigan (US congressman keith ellison is from Minnesota) seem to be major loci for the efforts of radical islam, especially the shi’ite variety.

Incrementally, stealth or “soft” jihad is advanced.

Also, taquiyya* is ok, since little chickens like this imam don’t want to be tossed out of the country they’re in the process of actively subverting.

*”Concealing or disguising one’s beliefs, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions, and/or strategies at a time of imminent danger, whether now or later in time, to save oneself from physical and/or mental injury.”

May 22, 2009 - 9:13 am 28. John:

It is widely known that suicide bombing is allowed by Islamic law if it can be justified as collateral damage while the bomber is killing Infidels. The bomber’s main purpose is not to die but rather to kill the unbelievers or to further the cause of Islam. Since a lot of the suicide bombers kill fellow Muslims, they justify the act as furthering the cause of Islam and that the main objective was to kill Infidels, not Muslims.
Furthermore:
Given that in the Qur’an Allah equates the taking of one innocent life with the killing all of humanity (Qur’an 5:32),
This sura is in reference to killing a Muslim. Since Infidels are not considered human or innocent by Islam, “all of humanity” only refers to the Umma or the Muslim community. Only a Muslim may be considered innocent. This sura was abrogated anyway.
The Imams and Muslims in general use Taquiya or deception to explain the nastier parts of Islam. They also constantly quote the abrogated suras as if they had meaning and were in effect. In fact of the 114 Chapters (Suras) in the Quran, only 43 Chapters do not have abrogated verses in them. So it gets complicated for a non-Muslim to figure out if the verse being quoted by a Muslim in an argument has been abrogated or not. This is the advantage that a Muslim scholar has over a non-Muslim in a discussion of Islam.
The Quran is in an alphabetical order and is not in chronological order so it gets even harder to discern the older (abrogated) verses.
This verse: “Let there be no compulsion in religion; truth stands out clearly from error” (Sura 2.256).
is an older verse that was subsequently abrogated yet it is used daily to dispell the argument that Islam forces itself upon the people living in an Islamic country.
“Slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush” (Sura 9.5). This “verse of the sword” not only abrogates 2.256, but also abrogates well over a hundred earlier verses that formerly taught peace and tolerance toward non-believers.

There is no right to freedom of speech in Islam
There is no freedom of religion in Islam
There is no golden rule in Islam
There are no rights of any kind for non-Muslims in Islam
Islam is a twisted lie that promotes hatred against the Jews and Infidels

Why would our elected public officials allow Muslims to immigrate to our country if they knew the truth about Islam?

May 22, 2009 - 9:41 am 29. MrsJ:

Gary Ogletree:
The whole jihad movement in the West will fizzle as little Ali and Fatima find they prefer the American or European life style over Daddy’s nasty no fun religion.

That’s what we thought in the UK, Gary. Turns out that little Ali and Fatima are WORSE than their fathers. See http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/025690.php

May 22, 2009 - 10:05 am 30. David W. Lincoln:

What do you expect from a windbag who wants the Sons of Allah to only be in the front of the bus. Anything that sees
people other than the Sons of Allah in the front of the bus, are fought tooth and nail by the Sons of Allah.

May 22, 2009 - 10:07 am 31. Sandra:

Pack his suitcase…buy him a one way ticket to the destination of his choice, or any place else in the world but here…and throw him out. he doesn’t deserve the privilege of living in America.

May 22, 2009 - 10:57 am 32. LizBert:

This guy is being protected by their tight knit/tight lipped community. They hate us and use us – deception and lying are all condoned in the name of Islam for ‘their’ benefit. They will NEVER assimilate. They rule by fear, ignorance, deception, and by keeping women down (where is the NOW. They use the Catholic parking lots on Friday to go their Mosques. We have the largest Somali population in the US! Great. They are takers, not givers -and we (The State of MN) give them what ever they want – all in the name of diversity and human rights. ‘Minnesota Nice’ has gotten us into this mess. They are Muslim’s first, Somali’s second, and only an American when there is a gain for ‘them’.

May 22, 2009 - 11:32 am 33. Brian Richard Allen:

In his post # 1, whataloadacrap08 asks whose bright idea led to the importation of 12th-century Somali savages into 21st century America?

The real rot tracks back to the murderous Massachusetts’ Swimmer’s 1965 immigration law changes which have seen to the importation since then of the scores of millions of third world savages who, along with the “Democratic” potty’s favorite constituents, the invading and hostilely-colonizing criminal-alien hordes, are now favored for immigrant visas and/or green cards ahead of the Norther Euro-peons who were previously America’s immigrants-of-(our)-choice.

And then there were the “Democrats” who passed the “laws” that saw to the USDA subsidizing the growing of mountains of millions of tons of grain that no-one needed nor wanted to buy, the USAID morons whose dumping of said grain mountains into that country bankrupted every Somali farmer and agri-business and thus destroyed the Somali economy. And then there was the Somalia do-gooder George Herbert Walker Bush and then there were the (Somali-savage-visa-issuing) basta*d-offspring-of the Soviet-agent, Alger Hiss-et-al-descended Foggy Bottom brahmans, who have, for years, been very satisfied with anything they can pull off that disadvantages and/or damages our beloved fraternal republic.

But apart from that couple of little inputs, the importation of 12th-century Somali savages into 21st century America has nothing whatsoever to do with US!

Brian Richard Allen
Los Angeles – Califobambicated 90028
And the Far Abroad

May 22, 2009 - 11:34 am 34. D-wah:

Meanwhile Homeland Security goes after “radicals” like pro-lifers, anti-amnesty, pro-life, Ron Paul supporting or ex-military patriotic citizens. How much more backward can we get? Seems we don’t wake up till these admitted open enemies outright attack us. Would hate to be judgemental now, wouldn’t we?!

Nice responsible government–responds to its own ideology and greed, not ours for security and a free society. “Fairness” and “equal outcome” have taken front and center. Absolute idiocy that doesn’t seem to get acknowledged till history looks back once the country gets through its fascist state phase and the truth can be told. “Fascist Germany, Italy, Russia, Venezuela etc. etc. couldn’t possibly happen here.” That’s the seed they play on, the sleepy mass mush mind factor they massage every day with phony newspeak.

By the time the majority wakes up it’s too late. That’s the definition of how it works. God help us.

May 22, 2009 - 12:13 pm 35. rahm:

we ask the imam ,the leaders of Minnesota to join,condemnation of terrorist acts,we never get anything ,i never received it,We Ask..to speak up and Stop this Barbaric Behavior ,taking place in somalia for the last couple of months.

Shabab Terrorist barbaric court in Kismayo Enforce Sharia Law By Hand Amputation,(Very GRAPHIC)
http://terrorfreesomalia.blogspot.com/2009/05/al-shabab-militia-court-in-kismayo.html
or hawiye al-shabaab wing barbaric and genocidal funded, very sick and twisted vedio
http://terrorfreesomalia.blogspot.com/2009/01/barbaric-and-genocidal-funded.html
or this …other and father.Brother of 13-year old Aisha Ibrahim Duhulow Speaking 13-Year-Old Somali Rape Victim Stoned to Death in Front of 1000 Spectators..http://terrorfreesomalia.blogspot.com/2009/03/mother-and-fatherfriends-of-13-year-old.html

May 22, 2009 - 12:17 pm 36. Leatherneck:

#1,

The CFR State Department did, and they continue to crap on our culture by getting as many Muslims into this country as they can. Just like Britian, and other parts of Europe.

This is only one part of a full court press to destroy America. Illegal aliens, Muslims, in Hock to China, selling homes to people who can not pay, etc…

The next thing you know, there will be a North American Union, Christianty as hate speech, and a World Governement.

Of course, Islam is a religion of peace, and illegal aliens are really law abiding.

May 22, 2009 - 1:45 pm 37. Bob Smith:

More Islam means more of the same.

Islam is the problem.

You have to take your shoes off at the airport because of Islam.

Islam is the problem.

We ought to be able to talk about Islam.

May 22, 2009 - 2:01 pm 38. Mary in LA:

Rahm, I’m glad you wrote. I will look at your links. Thanks!

May 22, 2009 - 3:05 pm 39. Robin_Shadowes:

It’s a shame Mullah Obamaham is closing sown Gitmo. Contrary he needs to open up Gitmo 2, 3, 4, 5 and so on. There is an almost endless supply of fanatic jihadists who hate the west. Another great thing about Gitmo is that they can’t recruit new converts. To Gary, the 2nd and 3rd generations usually gets worse than their parents. More radicalized with each generation. Thus they should not been allowed into the west at all. Let them stay in their backward hellholes to practice islam in any way they like.

May 22, 2009 - 4:18 pm 40. Leatherneck:

Is the Mosque they got their arse in the air five times a day to their moon god still standing? If so, I need to be in charge.

May 22, 2009 - 7:31 pm 41. RobertG:

What many of us have known for years and have too Politically Correct to openly admit: This country is paying a terrible price for allowing these damn mohammedan “refugees” into this country. They have no intention of becoming Americans, Sorry Mr. President they will NOT enrich our culture, and they will only obey our laws when well watched.

Massachusetts’ Swimmer’s 1965 immigration law and LBJ were little less than treason. Then again you can come down to the Southern border and see much the same results.

May 23, 2009 - 5:34 am 42. pmk:

If Somalia was too dangerous a place for him to live then there are fifty-six other Muslim states for him to move to. Then there’s Europe. Gordon Brown will most likely welcome him. It’s time to ban all Muslims from entering the US. Apologies to multiculturalists but the Muslims in our midst are most definitely NOT multicultis. As their numbers grow in neighborhoods or cities, they shed any pretense of tolerance and let you know it’s their way or the highway.

May 23, 2009 - 7:57 am 43. Well Educated Cad:

To quote John Ringo ” If Allah wants all women to be covered from head to toe, it’s obvious Allah has never been to ” Wet and Wild” in the summer in the USA”.

Gee- I wonder where Sheesh is on this? Doesn’t he get paid per post?

May 23, 2009 - 10:25 am 44. USorThem:

How can an attorney, such as this imam, who shows a clear understanding and support of the Islamic imperative as set forth in the Koran, to spread sharia law until Islam dominates, remain with a law license?

An attorney is sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution yet this imam does everything within his power to make sharia law dominant.

In the next interview, he needs to be asked whether he favors sharia law (Allah’s law) or Constitutional law (man-made law). He cannot claim to favor both as sharia is inherently inimical to the freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution. It’s not a complicated question. Ask it.

May 24, 2009 - 9:50 am 45. rahm:

update- what happened today.

Somalia suicide bomb kills seven, BBCVideo http://terrorfreesomalia.blogspot.com/2009/05/somalia-suicide-bomb-kills-seven.html
the imam is powerful advocate of Somali jihadists ,..

May 24, 2009 - 10:23 am 46. willem:

The Progressive movement in the US desperately needs disgruntled populations to increase in scale so they must import them to augment the shrinking post cold war base. The Muslims have the populations and proclivity for distemper, and are easily manipulated to Progressive Causes which for the last ten years have actively featured the flag of Palestine for exactly that reason. The “Red Money” that flowed during the cold war is gone and the Arab money spends just fine. Add to that millions of useful idiots to be politically herded like cattle and you arrive at the present situation. The Muslim religion was uniquely crafted to muzzle and dominate a populace dominated by a totalitarian ruling class. Modern Progressives in Congress (and unfortunately most of Congress) likes the thought of breaking free from Americanism and raising their families to the status of a permanent ruling class. There are a few “True Believers” in the Progressive Caucus, but mostly its a swarm of syndicate and political racketeering interests that runs through the myriad NGOs and non-profits that layer over the governments of the world like a sclerotic tissue, isolating them from the public they are to serve.

Job #1 is flush our Congress 100%. The American political class and its sycophant institutions are very much in need of a major overhaul.

If the Progressives have their way, they will “Humpty Dumpty” America and blame the rest of us for the disaster.

12th century Somalis are a problem, but the 19th century Progressives dominating our government and universities are rapidly becoming an unmitigated disaster.

Unless, of course, you see yourself assured member of the new international ruling classes.

May 24, 2009 - 10:29 am 47. tanarg:

I cannot tell who anybody is anymore. The people I thought loved this country turn out to hate her.

May 24, 2009 - 2:38 pm 48. Banned by Huffpo:

#10 John Galt (excellent handle, by the way):