Comments on: How Monica Helped Bring Down the Mainstream Media http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/monica_permanently_wrecked_the/ Mon, 23 Nov 2009 10:43:44 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Al http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/monica_permanently_wrecked_the/comment-page-1/#comment-19979 Al Tue, 22 Jan 2008 04:47:25 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/how-monica-helped-bring-down-the-mainstream-media/#comment-19979 Watch Evan Sayet's talk called "HOW MODERN LIBERALS THINK". You'll see why these people are like they are. It's very good. I've watched parts of it many times. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c</a> You'll need some quiet time and make sure you watch the Q&A at the end. Watch Evan Sayet’s talk called “HOW MODERN LIBERALS THINK”.

You’ll see why these people are like they are. It’s very good. I’ve watched parts of it many times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c

You’ll need some quiet time and make sure you watch the Q&A at the end.

]]> By: Brian H http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/monica_permanently_wrecked_the/comment-page-1/#comment-19978 Brian H Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:08:17 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/how-monica-helped-bring-down-the-mainstream-media/#comment-19978 "So the solution is encouraging the Internet to replace mainstream media with a multitude of voices competing in a freewheeling marketplace of ideas." For ideas, fine. But for "news" -- i.e., data about what is happening -- the Internet is parasitic on the Formerly Mainstream Media, with a few exceptions like Yon and Totten and others. Who pays? Who does the daily slogging? Maybe this tension and balance between commercial newsers and amateur responders etc. is as good as it gets. William; Offered without comment or extrapolation: Vividness of imagination is a good predictor of how readily and deeply one can be hypnotized. “So the solution is encouraging the Internet to replace mainstream media with a multitude of voices competing in a freewheeling marketplace of ideas.”

For ideas, fine. But for “news” — i.e., data about what is happening — the Internet is parasitic on the Formerly Mainstream Media, with a few exceptions like Yon and Totten and others.

Who pays? Who does the daily slogging?

Maybe this tension and balance between commercial newsers and amateur responders etc. is as good as it gets.

William;
Offered without comment or extrapolation: Vividness of imagination is a good predictor of how readily and deeply one can be hypnotized.

]]> By: william http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/monica_permanently_wrecked_the/comment-page-1/#comment-19977 william Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:29:30 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/how-monica-helped-bring-down-the-mainstream-media/#comment-19977 In Troy, the movie version of the Iliad, Brad Pitt plays the part of Achilles. I cannot remember who plays Hector. On Amazon, there are over 100,000 titles devoted to Napoleon. Wellington was demonstrably a better general and greater statesman. There are about 10,000 titles about him on the Amazon list. Artists and intellectuals are bored by Coolidge and excited by Lenin. Fairly late in life I have learned to be distrustful of their witness. They are more attracted to glory than to decency. Well, Washington and Wellington were more enamored of the example of Cincinattus than that of Caesar, and Eisenhower outranked Patton. Thank God, that so many American leaders have been unimaginative. Artistic talent is inversely proportional to political maturity. In Troy, the movie version of the Iliad, Brad Pitt plays the part of Achilles. I cannot remember who plays Hector. On Amazon, there are over 100,000 titles devoted to Napoleon. Wellington was demonstrably a better general and greater statesman. There are about 10,000 titles about him on the Amazon list. Artists and intellectuals are bored by Coolidge and excited by Lenin. Fairly late in life I have learned to be distrustful of their witness. They are more attracted to glory than to decency. Well, Washington and Wellington were more enamored of the example of Cincinattus than that of Caesar, and Eisenhower outranked Patton. Thank God, that so many American leaders have been unimaginative. Artistic talent is inversely proportional to political maturity.

]]> By: Steve Boriss http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/monica_permanently_wrecked_the/comment-page-1/#comment-19976 Steve Boriss Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:20:34 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/how-monica-helped-bring-down-the-mainstream-media/#comment-19976 William, That is all correct. So now, what should be done about it? In the first phase, it was helpful to point out this bias, and the public now universally understands that it exists (2/3 of the public believes it). The next phase in my view is not to hold mainstream media to their own standard of objectivity, because it is an impossible standard. Every choice of what is newsworthy represents bias. Instead, we should recognize that bias is not a four-letter word -- it is a good thing. America is built upon the opinions of the people to determine the consent of the governed. So the solution is encouraging the Internet to replace mainstream media with a multitude of voices competing in a freewheeling marketplace of ideas. William, That is all correct. So now, what should be done about it? In the first phase, it was helpful to point out this bias, and the public now universally understands that it exists (2/3 of the public believes it). The next phase in my view is not to hold mainstream media to their own standard of objectivity, because it is an impossible standard. Every choice of what is newsworthy represents bias. Instead, we should recognize that bias is not a four-letter word — it is a good thing. America is built upon the opinions of the people to determine the consent of the governed. So the solution is encouraging the Internet to replace mainstream media with a multitude of voices competing in a freewheeling marketplace of ideas.

]]> By: william http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/monica_permanently_wrecked_the/comment-page-1/#comment-19975 william Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:19:46 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/how-monica-helped-bring-down-the-mainstream-media/#comment-19975 Alison, Steve Boriss: My post was meant to be somewhere between sarcasm and tragic irony. Here are a few more self-evident truths: If Harry Reid is a Mormon that is his own business and the prior prejudiced beliefs of the Mormon faith have no bearing on his duties as Majority Leader of the Senate. If Mitt Romney (or any other Republican Mormon) runs for public office, the past beliefs of the Mormons deserve to be examined in excruciating detail. If a utility infielder, second rate newscaster, or third tier comedian makes ten or twenty times more than his peer in the fifties, that is the free market in action. If a corporate executive, acting from the same wellspring of greed and opportunity, overfeeds at the trough, that is an example of why the markets need regulating. Some say hypocrisy, but really they are self evident truths. Alison, Steve Boriss: My post was meant to be somewhere between sarcasm and tragic irony. Here are a few more self-evident truths: If Harry Reid is a Mormon that is his own business and the prior prejudiced beliefs of the Mormon faith have no bearing on his duties as Majority Leader of the Senate. If Mitt Romney (or any other Republican Mormon) runs for public office, the past beliefs of the Mormons deserve to be examined in excruciating detail. If a utility infielder, second rate newscaster, or third tier comedian makes ten or twenty times more than his peer in the fifties, that is the free market in action. If a corporate executive, acting from the same wellspring of greed and opportunity, overfeeds at the trough, that is an example of why the markets need regulating. Some say hypocrisy, but really they are self evident truths.

]]> By: Amphipolis http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/monica_permanently_wrecked_the/comment-page-1/#comment-19974 Amphipolis Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:34:44 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/how-monica-helped-bring-down-the-mainstream-media/#comment-19974 The analysis is good. There is a trend of media diversification into the new media outlets. There have been spectacular successes in stopping media disinformation. People don't trust the MSM like they did in the past. However, most people still do. There have been hundreds of MSM outrages that have not gotten traction, because the MSM still controls the megaphone. They can spin the news as much as ever. Ask yourselves this - are the opinions of the people you interact with formed by the MSM? The answer for me would be a resounding yes. The influence of the MSM is not what it was, but it is still predominant. And then there is the liberal educational establishment that makes sure our young people don't miss the message. Fox is a major disappointment. Not much thoughtful debate, mostly people yelling at each other between coverage of missing blondes. The analysis is good. There is a trend of media diversification into the new media outlets. There have been spectacular successes in stopping media disinformation. People don’t trust the MSM like they did in the past.

However, most people still do. There have been hundreds of MSM outrages that have not gotten traction, because the MSM still controls the megaphone. They can spin the news as much as ever. Ask yourselves this – are the opinions of the people you interact with formed by the MSM? The answer for me would be a resounding yes. The influence of the MSM is not what it was, but it is still predominant. And then there is the liberal educational establishment that makes sure our young people don’t miss the message.

Fox is a major disappointment. Not much thoughtful debate, mostly people yelling at each other between coverage of missing blondes.

]]> By: Steve Boriss http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/monica_permanently_wrecked_the/comment-page-1/#comment-19973 Steve Boriss Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:44:22 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/how-monica-helped-bring-down-the-mainstream-media/#comment-19973 Allison, William, In re-reading William's post, I am going to take Allison's word for it. So, sorry William if you were joking. But, trust me, I could show you a stack of e-mails that would give you good reason to understand why I assumed you were not. Allison, William, In re-reading William’s post, I am going to take Allison’s word for it. So, sorry William if you were joking. But, trust me, I could show you a stack of e-mails that would give you good reason to understand why I assumed you were not.

]]> By: Allison http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/monica_permanently_wrecked_the/comment-page-1/#comment-19972 Allison Thu, 17 Jan 2008 05:23:37 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/how-monica-helped-bring-down-the-mainstream-media/#comment-19972 Steve, Couldn't you tell that William was joking? Steve,

Couldn’t you tell that William was joking?

]]> By: bour3 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/monica_permanently_wrecked_the/comment-page-1/#comment-19971 bour3 Thu, 17 Jan 2008 03:27:48 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/how-monica-helped-bring-down-the-mainstream-media/#comment-19971 The exact moment where MSM lost its credibility that can be spoken about is not the real moment. It's highly personal. Newspapers are not needed for crossword puzzles, so there goes their one single remaining grace. On the other hand, I used quite a lot of it for packing material when I moved. Saved on bubble-wrap but had to scrub my hands to get off the ink. I suppose they could save on ink by getting into the bird-cage liner business. The exact moment where MSM lost its credibility that can be spoken about is not the real moment.

It’s highly personal.

Newspapers are not needed for crossword puzzles, so there goes their one single remaining grace. On the other hand, I used quite a lot of it for packing material when I moved. Saved on bubble-wrap but had to scrub my hands to get off the ink. I suppose they could save on ink by getting into the bird-cage liner business.

]]> By: Brian Dirks http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/monica_permanently_wrecked_the/comment-page-1/#comment-19970 Brian Dirks Thu, 17 Jan 2008 02:19:26 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/how-monica-helped-bring-down-the-mainstream-media/#comment-19970 The only reason the stain became visible was because the fledgling New Media told America about it. The MSM was busy burying it. There would have been no stain if left to the MSM. The whole mess would have been below the radar. The MSM could have stopped the New Media in the crib by reporting what Drudge and Rush were reporting. Didn't happen then, ain't gonna happen now. How many other stories were buried by the MSM? John Kennedy sleeping with a German spy to mention a few? Communists employed in the Truman and FDR administrations as documented in the Venona Papers. Why didn't Walter Cronkite report the Tet offensive as a victory for the US which it was,instead of defeat. His later speeches show his anti war underware. Does it actually go clear back to the first lynching by the brand new Video Media when they destroyed McCarthy the Commie hunter, who was vindicated by those Venona Papers incedently? He unfortunately scared the Hollywood conservatives silent which was an sad byproduct of his hunt for Sean Penn's father but still he was on the right trail as history has proven. The entertaining part of the whole MSM show these days is watching this Emperor walk by with out clothing. The only reason the stain became visible was because the fledgling New Media told America about it. The MSM was busy burying it. There would have been no stain if left to the MSM. The whole mess would have been below the radar. The MSM could have stopped the New Media in the crib by reporting what Drudge and Rush were reporting. Didn’t happen then, ain’t gonna happen now. How many other stories were buried by the MSM? John Kennedy sleeping with a German spy to mention a few? Communists employed in the Truman and FDR administrations as documented in the Venona Papers. Why didn’t Walter Cronkite report the Tet offensive as a victory for the US which it was,instead of defeat. His later speeches show his anti war underware. Does it actually go clear back to the first lynching by the brand new Video Media when they destroyed McCarthy the Commie hunter, who was vindicated by those Venona Papers incedently? He unfortunately scared the Hollywood conservatives silent which was an sad byproduct of his hunt for Sean Penn’s father but still he was on the right trail as history has proven.

The entertaining part of the whole MSM show these days is watching this Emperor walk by with out clothing.

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