My Fellow Conservatives, Let’s Be Bad Guys!
No matter what we do, we're painted as the villains. So let's twirl our mustaches and get to work.
What’s left of the conservative/libertarian movement in Congress, for the first time in a decade, showed us the way by standing on principle against the pork package a couple of weeks ago. Every Republican member of the House, plus seven Blue Dog Democrats, voted against the thing. Only the misguided yea votes of three liberal Republican senators allowed passage. Had Olympia Snow, Susan Collins, and Arlen Specter gone the other way, the Obama administration would have been virtually DOA.
But there are things we can do. They might not be smart, but they’re sure as hell right.
When the president calls for tax hikes, we should not play the old lap dog, me-too Republicans and put on our green eyeshades, trying to compromise on slightly smaller tax increases. We need to push for cuts, at least as deep as the ones President Bush pushed through during his first term.
It’s time to walk the walk on earmarks and hold the president’s feet to the fire on his campaign promises. Republicans, when in power, proved just as corrupt on this issue as the Democrats ever were, so we have some serious repenting to do. Now is the time to start — and you can help by lending support to Senators Jim DeMint and Tom Coburn, and anyone else willing to pick up the ball and run with it.
Most importantly, we need to push for a sunset provision to all this so-called “stimulus spending.” Here’s a measure so simple and commonsensical, we should have no problem explaining and selling it to the American people. As political junkies, we know the stimulus was really Porkzilla, with most of the “emergency” spending of this monster back-loaded into 2011 or beyond. The Democrats can be cornered on this one — demand that any back-end spending provision expire as soon as the economy returns to positive growth. The American people want their economy to recover, but polls show they remain wary of Porkzilla. Give them an out and they might just force the Democrats to take it.
If not? Then at least we’ll have offered them “a choice, not an echo.”
Don’t expect to see any results in the polls any time soon, however. At CPAC in Washington last week, I got to spend a few minutes with PJTV’s Bill Whittle and novelist Andrew Klavan, picking the brains of Michael Barone. Barone reminded us that Americans are a “magnanimous people” who want “firsts to succeed.” As our first Catholic president, Jack Kennedy’s poll numbers rarely dipped below 70%, even after bad calls like the Bay of Pigs or scarily close calls like the Cuban Missile Crisis. “His numbers actually went up a bit,” Barone said. He thinks something similar might be true of Obama as our first African-American president. People will, quite simply, want him to be a success — even if they don’t necessarily agree with what it is he’s trying to accomplish.
So we’re stuck: the bad guys. But don’t simply accept it; revel in it. In the movies, after all, the bad guys are usually the people having the most fun. All we need to do is the baddest thing of all: change the rules.
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1. Delia:“So we’re stuck: the bad guys. But don’t simply accept it; revel in it. In the movies, after all, the bad guys are usually the people having the most fun. All we need to do is the baddest thing of all: change the rules.”
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OMG! I think I LOVE YOU.
Exactly what I’ve been sayin’ too! STOP PANDERING. Are we gonna be RIGHT or WHAT? I am [frankly] sick’n tired of all of this ‘middle-left’ bull pucky. We should talk harder talk not ’softer’ talk. We need to WAKE people up not let them stay ‘lulled gently’ asleep. This country doesn’t need their assed wiped any more than our politicians have been doing.
Viva la Bad Guys AND Gals.
Mar 5, 2009 - 10:53 pm 2. vivo:“So we’re stuck: the bad guys. But don’t simply accept it; revel in it.”
Have fun.
Mar 5, 2009 - 10:57 pm 3. robotech master:Doing the right thing is considered evil in the US in this day and age… it really is time to get evil. First would be a great start to pile on the obama isn’t legit/legal to be president… just for the sake of pissing him and he little racist friends off.
Mar 5, 2009 - 11:02 pm 4. SeanLA:Awww, man. If only the conservatives can unite even in some way to make something like this happen.
Mar 5, 2009 - 11:56 pm 5. Bob Campbell:Even in some small way against a common enemy, here right now on TV is Krauthammer second guessing and mangling up both Rush and Steele, hes not behind anything except his paycheck. Krauthammer helped big O win by constantly harping on Palin and not on Obama.
You don’t see democrats back stabbing and throwing up obstacles and doubt against each other like Krauthammer and his`All Star’ suck fest.
Thats real TV, in reality there is no unity anywhere to be found, no united group like the TV show characters you admire.
Yeah, it would be wonderful if some of our glorious GOP leaders would get agressive and become BAD asses..
Give me a break — case in point: John McCain — I got a letter from him just today acting like he is mad — he says, “I am appalled to see this legislation being rushed through the Congress while containing so many egregious earmarks.” Well, being appalled and getting off your ass and doing something about it are two different things.
Politians don’t get mad — they just spend our money and act like we are too stupid to know what’s going on.
Bottom line: it is WE the people who need to get MAD and VOTE these jerks out of office!
Mar 6, 2009 - 12:21 am 6. ILikeIke:Wow, I’m glad you told me that Serenity was “libertarian-themed,” because though I’ve watched it several times, I never picked up on the libertarian themes…
Mar 6, 2009 - 1:43 am 7. James S.:“If you can’t do something smart, do something right.”
One correction from one Brown Shirt to another: This is Jayne Cobb’s line right after Mal Reynolds says “I aim to misbehave.” Great scene.
Yes, let’s be the bad guys. We’ve already started. All those Republican voting against the porkulous shocked the Democrats. “But, we won!” needs to be the punchline of this administation. Let us misbehave!
Mar 6, 2009 - 2:44 am 8. Tom H.:The problem is…I’ve seen just as many Repubs (Senators…haven’t seen the House list yet) with earmarks as Dems.. Sort of hard to be ‘bad guys’ when doing the same thing. The hypocrisy of the Republican Party continues…. when are they actually going to become fiscally responible?
Here’s a list of Senators:
http://wokv.com/blogs/jamie_dupree/2009/03/more-on-omnibus-earmarks.html
Mar 6, 2009 - 3:33 am 9. quasar:The GOP needs another Lee Atwater, who never, ever let an opponent chose his own running mate. ‘08 should have been Obama/Ayers or Obama/Wright…never Biden
Mar 6, 2009 - 3:39 am 10. Evil Otto:James, it’s not “Brown Shirt,” it’s “Brown Coat” Brown Shirt has a different meaning, one the lefties accuse us of being roughly every other breath.
Mar 6, 2009 - 3:49 am 11. Craig:“…the financial markets have dropped to ten-year lows.
Twelve year lows. And I suspect that may be eclipsed….
Mar 6, 2009 - 4:20 am 12. Bruce:TODAY.
First recognize that the children of the 60’s are in charge. And that they are the EVIL, bad-acting disciples of Herbert Marcuse and Saul Alinsky, following their “Rules for Radicals”:
“Any revolutionary change must be preceded by a passive, affirmative, non-challenging attitude toward change among the mass of our people. They must feel so frustrated, so defeated, so lost, so futureless in the prevailing system that they are willing to let go of the past and change the future.”
=:obama is their general in the war of destruction. And in this, their war, Good Guys Finish Last.
Mar 6, 2009 - 5:22 am 13. PAR:Our teleprompter President won’t know what to do if we go off script. Fight him at every turn in the road, make fun of his team at every opportunity. As his popularity falls he will move more and more into his attack mode and everyone will realize that he is a fraud.
Mar 6, 2009 - 5:26 am 14. Tolbert:As a conservative I have been accused of eating three babies each day for breakfast.
My response is “I find it hard to consume much more than one at a single sitting”.
Mar 6, 2009 - 5:29 am 15. Sk8 Punk:You would love one of my first blog posts on this. I am an academic and one of the things I have found very successful is embracing the bad guy image. My kids will laugh when I cover my mouth and do the heavy breathing James Earl Jones, “Luke I am your father!” Be punk, we can handle it. http://rebelsk8.blogspot.com/
Mar 6, 2009 - 5:40 am 16. elvis:I don’t believe Obama’s numbers will be high for long. Americans may want success but they don’t want a sinking ship. A sinking ship on fire for that matter.
Mar 6, 2009 - 5:46 am 17. Adam:It is time for all of us to stand up to this nonsense. Being consistent and right no matter what the media says will win in the end. It always has.
I think all of us need to do bad things to the media. They are the major problem!
All the Best,
Elvis
P.s. I am a Serenity fan.
You know, I’m saddened by pro-life Senator Brownback’s decision to support the President’s pro-choice candidate for Secretary of HHS. Word has it that Brownback’s being concilliatory: Republicans don’t like it when Democrats fillibuster a conservative nominee, so Republicans should take the higher road.
Nice is nice, but Democrats WILL NOT return the favor if a conservative nominee comes before the Senate in four years. Didn’t we learn anything from the death of campaign finance reform? Let’s be honorable, but let’s not be afraid to play dirty, either.
Mar 6, 2009 - 6:02 am 18. acj:“But there are things we can do. They might not be smart, but they’re sure as hell right.”
Mar 6, 2009 - 6:27 am 19. Frank:This could be the rebublican’s Motto. You just made a great point for how republicans have spent the last eight years.
There is another quote from “Serenity” that sticks in my mind. “I aim to misbehave.” Tea Party time.
Mar 6, 2009 - 6:27 am 20. Paul:The Republicans have to do three things: Organize, Advertize, and Prosyltize.
*The leader of the RNC (Steele, I suppose) needs to make perfectly clear that the party will follow conservative values and force out “RINO’s”. They also need to fix the primary process so that Democrats can’t vote in Republican elections. “Follow the president” only works so long as there’s a decent chance that the president is leading us in a viable direction. Since he’s not, the Republicans need to make it plain that they’re not going to follow him off of a cliff, and throw out those in the party that would.
*The leader of the RNC then needs to get on the air – Rush, Hannity, Levin if he has to – every week and describing in gory detail what the problems truly are, which congressmen are responsible, and which Republicans are running against them. No holds barred, call a Socialist a Socialist.
*Finally, the Republicans need to have advertising on the air every week – heck, every day – telling people what conservatism is, why it is best, and why socialism is going to flush us down the toilet. One problem with the country is that the Socialist Democrats have a lock on the education system, and as a result very few people under the age of 60 can tell you what a Communist really is.
Mar 6, 2009 - 6:32 am 21. Paul Gross:#13, Bruce. Dead on! I am 61 and we are paying the price for all of my generation who never left the college classroom (Ayers, Churchill Et al) and bred another generation (Obama) who believe that they are smarter than the rest of the us. Further they think cautionary tales like “1984″ are instruction manuals!
Mar 6, 2009 - 6:33 am 22. Paul:A wolf in sheep’s clothing we must be…or not!
Mar 6, 2009 - 7:07 am 23. one of my own:The problem with you conservatives is you can decide whether you’re make-believe good guys or make-believe bad guys.
Mar 6, 2009 - 7:10 am 24. HardHeadedWoman:Yes. Absolutely. I can do this.
Serenity now!
Mar 6, 2009 - 7:23 am 25. mojo:Shiny.
Mar 6, 2009 - 7:23 am 26. Andrew Ian Dodge:This is a replay of my college years. “White anglo-saxon heathen straight male metal-head Republican gamer politics student…” Everybody had an excuse to loath me. The long hair, wearing all black and maniacal laugh sort of were the clincher.
Welcome to my world fellow conservatives of all ilks…just go with it and you will have lots of fun.
Mar 6, 2009 - 7:25 am 27. Pat J:Might as well. Being stupid guys is obviously not working.
Mar 6, 2009 - 7:37 am 28. Chuck Pelto:TO: Stephen Green, et al.
RE: Always
“No matter what we do, we’re painted as the villains.” — Stephen Green
They’re projecting. And if you can’t recognize that, you’ve got serious problems.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Mar 6, 2009 - 7:38 am 29. karlstro:[Projection, v., describing in others what you are yourself.]
Amen and let the fight begin! Congress is insane. Dems are not try to unite but divide. The lack of leadership is appalling and real people are suffering dearly!
Mar 6, 2009 - 7:41 am 30. Chuck Pelto:P.S….
Woe to them who call ‘good’ evil and ‘evil’ good.
Mar 6, 2009 - 7:42 am 31. Paul from Hamburg:Tolbert: Very nice.
When I was in college in the late 80’s, we conservatives were naturally accused of being fascists. Our standard response: “We are not fascists. Fascism puts too much power in the hands of the people.”
Mar 6, 2009 - 7:42 am 32. rocketeer:Paul: How can we get you elected to be the chairman of the RNC?
I just posted a similar train of thought on the “Party of Rush” article, so my apologies for the repeat, but the author here is absolutely correct. Republican’s need to get someone (several someones) that can go out and kick butt and take no prisoners. No more of this “my friend across the aisle” crap. Republican’s need to start acting like their friend across the aisle is their mortal enemy that must be DESTROYED at all costs. Republican’s need to start following the philosophy (figuratively, not literally) of “if they’re going to bomb you, bomb them first”. We need to learn from our opponents and get out there and attack, attack, attack.
Mar 6, 2009 - 7:49 am 33. Anonymous:#30 Chucky Cheese . . . I know you are, but what am I?
Mar 6, 2009 - 7:49 am 34. Chuck Pelto:TO: Andrew Ian Dodge
RE: Why….
“Welcome to my world fellow conservatives of all ilks…just go with it and you will have lots of fun.” — Andrew Ian Dodge
….do you remind me of the Joker from the Dark Knight?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Mar 6, 2009 - 7:52 am 35. Chuck Pelto:[And here... we... go! -- The Joker]
TO: Anonymouse
RE: You Mean….
“#30 Chucky Cheese . . . I know you are, but what am I?” — Anonymouse @ #33
…something other than a gutless wonder? Posting ‘anonymously’….
Regards,
Chuck(le)
P.S. I know, for one think, that you’re VERY sophomoric. I remember that call from elementary school days. So…..
….you’re still pre-pubescent, based on your post.
Mar 6, 2009 - 8:04 am 36. Steve Ducharme:YES!YES!YES!YES!YES!YES!YES!YES!YES! Lets Be BAD!
Mar 6, 2009 - 8:05 am 37. TOhio:Liberals love to call people names. Look at their postings and you’ll see what I mean. This is how they mostly operate.
Watch kids on a playground and you’ll see great examples of name calling. Kids who think they are tough find someone weaker to pick on and call them names. Unless the kid being picked on stands up, they are considered weak and a good target for more name calling. It’s not until the so-called weaker kid finally fights back that the tormenting stops.
We conservatives need to stand up and fight back! So what if they call us names? We can never go wrong doing the right thing and it’s time that we put these liberal bullies in their place.
Mar 6, 2009 - 8:10 am 38. savage24:The Republicans Party has been trying to do smart things for so long they have become stupid. I don’t think they will take your advice and do something right. The only advice they have taken lately is from the democrats.
Mar 6, 2009 - 8:11 am 39. Chuck Pelto:TO: Stephen Green
RE: How….
“If you can’t do something smart, do something right.” — Stephen Green, citing Shepard Book
…does an atheist know what’s ‘right’?
Do they have a ‘good book’ to give them guidance? Or do they make it up as they go along?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[It is a good thing for an uneducated man to read books of quotations. -- Winston Churchill]
P.S. I recommend the Book of Proverbs…..
Mar 6, 2009 - 8:25 am 40. Ardsgaine:Chuckles, here are two quotes for you:
1) “Give your money to the poor and follow me.”
2) “I swear, by my life and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.”
Choose.
Mar 6, 2009 - 9:10 am 41. Bret:I think “going John Galt” is the better approach.
Mar 6, 2009 - 9:13 am 42. David B:8. Tom H. wrote:
The problem is…I’ve seen just as many Repubs (Senators…haven’t seen the House list yet) with earmarks as Dems.. Sort of hard to be ‘bad guys’ when doing the same thing. The hypocrisy of the Republican Party continues…. when are they actually going to become fiscally responible?
Yeah, I looked at the list of requested earmarks. Top of the list for the most money – Robt. Byrd (no big surprise). Here’s the disturbing thing, though, out of the 10 largest earmark recipients, 6 are Republicans! It makes me crazy! The Republican party must first reject earmarks completely before lecturing about fiscal responsibility.
Mar 6, 2009 - 9:28 am 43. Sapwolf:As a member of Sarah’s Fedaykin, NOBODY takes a shot at the Cuda while I’m on duty. It’s about being right and sticking to facts and correcting the record.
I have NEVER apologized for anything she does. That is what the Obama fans do. They are LOYAL.
Michael needs to completely ignore what the MSM thinks and defend the GOP and conservatism, and TAKE THE FIGHT TO THEIR TURF, without blinking or worrying about image.
Now is the time to shed the fat.
This is the GOP’s and the Conservative Movement’s LONG MARCH.
As a loyal conservative, everyday I relish another opportunity to “throw the money-changers out of the Temple”. Life is good as the pure ‘bad guy’ when you have the facts and truth on your side. The MSM can protect the Hollow Man only so long.
Attack! Attack! Attack!
Mar 6, 2009 - 9:47 am 44. Chuck Pelto:TO: Ardsgaine
RE: Gads!
How I love it when people take things out of context or mix them up with other sources.
“Chuckles, here are two quotes for you:
1) “Give your money to the poor and follow me.” — Ardsgaine
From Christ to the rich prince of Israel when asked by the same what he should do to achieve ’salvation’.
And what does THIS have to do with Stephen Green and his concept of what is ‘right’?
Oddly enough my Friday Morning Mens’ Bible Study group discussed this within the last 30 days and I think we’d all agree that you have something of a misperception of what transpired in that passage. Care to join us to go into it in more detail?
“2) “I swear, by my life and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.”” — Ardsgaine
From Ayn Rand’s Atlas Shrugged. Is that the ‘good book’ atheists abide by? How ‘odd’.
As for the character’s statement, it is contradictory to christian ethics. If I give of myself for the sake of another man, it is an act of my own free will. Not a dictate of some government. Ayn, obviously, had a poor concept of christianity and the idea that one should put others above themselves. Her biggest obstacle, in my honest opinion, was that she had no idea that there was a power above her own that she would admit to. From a temporal perspective, that’s great. However, there’s another level to reality that atheists find, if you’ll pardon the term, anathema.
Hope that helps….
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Mar 6, 2009 - 9:52 am 45. Chuck Pelto:[Atheism is a non-prophet organization.]
TO: David B, et al.
RE: Earmarks
“The Republican party must first reject earmarks completely before lecturing about fiscal responsibility.” — David B
I’m not so sure of that.
I don’t mind earmarks, per se. However, I DO mind that these Congress cretins can hide their actions from the view of the rest of US. The lack of absolute transparency IS a violation of our sense of trust in their actions.
Furthermore, if there are going to be earmarks, they should be in a separate bill and not buried in some other legislation to hide amongst all the verbiage therein.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Mar 6, 2009 - 9:57 am 46. Snidely Whiplash:[We should limit congressmen to two terms: one in Congress...]
Let the conservative revolution begin! *snicker*
Mar 6, 2009 - 10:04 am 47. Chuck Pelto:TO: Sapwolf
RE: Bad Analogy
“This is the GOP’s and the Conservative Movement’s LONG MARCH.” — Sapwolf
Too communistic.
I’d recommend ‘VALLEY FORGE’. Something to do with hammering out the dross in the midst of cold, hard times.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Mar 6, 2009 - 10:09 am 48. Bilgeman:[Associate with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for it is better to be alone than in bad company. -- George Washington]
Mr. Green;
“But there are things we can do. They might not be smart, but they’re sure as hell right.”
Stick to our principles:
1) Smaller Government
2) Lower Taxes
3) Strong Defense
4) Law and Order
5) The Government is the creation of, and servant for, a free association of equal citizens.
…and then wait until the over-taxed, over-worked and over-regulated peasants, beaten down with “Obama Fatigue” come wanering in like a wretched pack of refugees.
Stay with the colors, the fleet will rally around the flagship and take up the course.
Or it won’t… but there ain’t no guarantees in any of this.
Mar 6, 2009 - 10:11 am 49. donttreadonme:Hell’s Bells, what is there to be scared of? We are the ones that pack the heat. Two-thirds of the enlisted share our values and patriotism. The same ratio applies to the police force. Push comes to shove, when the DOW hits 2500, unemployment (the U6, not the BS U3) hits 35%, and the SHTF, we’ll be ready to go. Woe be the liberal that gets in front of that mob in 2010!
Mar 6, 2009 - 10:29 am 50. donttreadonme:Wind in the Cottonfields
Mar 6, 2009 - 10:31 am 51. Chuck Pelto:gentle breeze
Beware the day
It uproots trees
TO: donttreadonme
RE: Problem IS….
“Woe be the liberal that gets in front of that mob in 2010!” — donttreadonme
…that between then and now, the gang-bangers will figure out that we have the gold, guns and food that they think they could put to better use, i.e., for themselves.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Mar 6, 2009 - 10:36 am 52. Andrew Ian Dodge:[Be prepared. -- Boy Scouts]
Chuckle…that works for me.
Mar 6, 2009 - 10:54 am 53. Chuck Pelto:TO: Andrew Ian Dodge
RE: So….
“Chuckle…that works for me.” — Andrew Ian Dodge
….you identify with a psychopathic mass murderer?
Interesting……
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Mar 6, 2009 - 11:08 am 54. obladioblada:P.S. Where do you buy your cosmetics? Acme? Circa 1989 Batman?
“… demand that any back-end spending provision expire as soon as the economy returns to positive growth.”
Yes, Democrats are big on exit strategies, right?
Mar 6, 2009 - 11:15 am 55. you can't say that:Quit talking like that, you sound like a leader…
Mar 6, 2009 - 11:18 am 56. Войска ПВО:vivo writes: “Have fun.”
Vivo, in keeping with the theme of this article: bugger off!
Mar 6, 2009 - 11:40 am 57. thegreatsatan:Good guys finish last. Need proof, see 2008. Quit playing games and start playing politics people. Start throwing out these weak RINO types and replace them with people who actually understand basic Conservative principles.
Mar 6, 2009 - 11:53 am 58. Knight:Stephen! GREAT POST! Either we stand for something or we stand without. For once, let us earn our reputation – we all cite Ronald Reagan – let’s also cite Nancy – “Just say no.”
No, no, no, no, no. (gosh, we could set it to music, no?) (grin)
Mar 6, 2009 - 11:57 am 59. Chuck Pelto:TO: Войска ПВО
RE: vivo Response
I think that something from W.C. Fields would be more appropriate. Something like….
Go out in the traffic and plaayyy, little boy.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Mar 6, 2009 - 12:06 pm 60. Rubicon:[Horse sense is the thing a horse has which keeps it from betting on people. -- W. C. Fields]
We begin to make progress on “our” change, when we have no Republican earmarks. I mean, NONE! So long as we have Republicans participating in this shell game, the whole party looks bad.
Mar 6, 2009 - 12:09 pm 61. Delia:We know who screwed us. Arlen is toast come 2010. Perhaps the Snowe & Collins constituency feels the same way, but those are extremely liberal states.
In the end, we tried being nice for way too long & all we got was some jerk looking at us in what was to be a meeting to promote bi-partisanship, & saying to those in attendance, “we won!”
OK, You won! Now, lead.
But, if what you are now doing is leading, you had better have a backup plan cause its as feeble as Bush’s compassionate conservatism that did NOT represent the party base. Bush was the candidate only because he pulled off the primary win. Just as McCain was. Few really wanted either them, but “independents” and
“moderates,” plus an unhealthy dose of re-registered & crossover Democrats, got McCain the nod.
Point is, McCain played nice guy. All it got us is this stinking larger economic mess that could have been solved long ago, if our President wasn’t so interested in remaking the social order so much he’s ignored the real solutions to economic recovery!
So, I agree. Its time we stopped being the really nice guys. I want my country back. The place where individual liberty is treasured. The place where private property rights trump the greed of politicians. The place where I can have a gun, cause the Constitution says I can.
The place where free speech means just that & not only speech that some jerk has decided is not offensive to someone. The place where the rule of law is required not optional depending on some social cause, pushed by suspiciously influential special interests.
Hey, the other guys play dirty with their ACORN buddies & their supposedly altruistic Soros. So, why can’t we play as hard & dirty as them?
I’ve already been called a “Horrible person” and the “Stupidest person here on PJM”… I wear that as a badge of honor.
LMAO!
Mar 6, 2009 - 12:10 pm 62. Marc Malone:I gotta disagree. To do this is to hand the opposition ammo to finish defining us. Their narrative would be confirmed. Unacceptable. I refuse to cave to them.
We may be upset, but we have to stand by our better natures. We cannot win by adopting their tactics. We couldn’t win by being “Dem-lite”, nor can we win by becoming “revolutionary-lite”. We have to be clearly opposite of them. Their policies just don’t work. They will bring themselves down and boost us up. We just need to be patient and calmly bring out the facts. Keep saying I told you so. They will fashion their own demise, although, we can give them nudges in the right direction.
The thing is to not abrogate our very principles to defeat them. Remember that the goal is not to win, but rather to accomplish our stated purpose of bettering society. Winning just to win and be in power is what THEY do. Keep your eye on the ball, folks.
Mar 6, 2009 - 12:22 pm 63. The Historian:EVEN THE NEW DEAL WASN’T THIS FAR LEFT
The economy is off the rails and going forward, Obama will own it completely.
http://greensrealworld.blogspot.com/2009/03/america-has-far-left-president.html
Mar 6, 2009 - 12:23 pm 64. Chuck Pelto:TO: Marc Malone
RE: Not So Much….
….as some of their ‘tactics’ are blatantly ‘wrong’. And therein lies the rub of the question I put to Stephen Green in item #39 of this thread. How can an atheist REALLY know what is ‘right’ vis-a-vis what is ‘wrong’?
Christians have a code of ethics that they should use as a measure of such. What do atheists use? And last time I recall discussing such with Stephen, he’s an atheist.
Stephen can go ahead and play the ‘bad guy’ if he wishes. It’s a ‘free country’. But for me and my house…..we have a higher standard.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Mar 6, 2009 - 12:29 pm 65. Chuck Pelto:[The safeguard of morality is religion, and morality is the best security of law as well as the surest pledge of freedom. -- Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America, c. 1835]
P.S. Stephen Green, in FINALLY identifying himself as a ‘conservative’ as opposed to what I recall he called himself, a ‘libertarian’, is going to force me into identifying myself as a ‘christian’, when asked about my political affiliation.
All this time, I’ve been referring to MYSELF as a ‘conservative’, but if being the ‘bad boy’ is what causes Stephen to call HIMSELF ‘conservative’, I’m going to have to disassociate myself from the term, as it’s going to be getting a ‘bad name’.
As I cited from the Founding Fathers earlier in this thread….
Associate with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for it is better to be alone than in bad company. — George Washington
Mar 6, 2009 - 12:36 pm 66. Jim Treacher:Mwah-ha-ha!!
Mar 6, 2009 - 12:58 pm 67. Chuck Pelto:TO: The Guys in the White Coats
RE: Hey!
I gotta a candidate for ya.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Mar 6, 2009 - 1:01 pm 68. Chuck Pelto:P.S. I think he’s been molesting school children, based on the tag-line at his web-site.
P.P.S.
Mar 6, 2009 - 1:01 pm 69. Jim Treacher:Jesus, Pelto, you really are a creep.
Mar 6, 2009 - 1:20 pm 70. Delia:Just remember…
Even Jesus Christ himself got pissed off.
-And, I think the Good Lord has a sense of humor. Otherwise I wouldn’t be here today otherwise. he-he.
Mar 6, 2009 - 1:23 pm 71. ignatov:Chuck Pelto: I’ve been enjoying your thoughts in this thread but I don’t agree that one’s religious affiliation should be the basis for a judgement of credibility (or even morality). There’s plenty of good atheists; plenty of bad Christians.
Mar 6, 2009 - 1:38 pm 72. ked5:I spent years trying to teach my mother the concept of “parenthood isn’t a popularity contest.” (my adult daughter respects me more because of seeing her friends parents wanting to be their children’s “friends”.)
The same can be said of adulthood. Currently, the children outnumber us, and they’ve elected toddlers with a penchant for tantrums when they don’t get their way. Time for a time out. (and for them to learn the difference between a “right” and a “priveledge”).
Take no prisoners.
Mar 6, 2009 - 1:39 pm 73. Chuck Pelto:TO: ignatov
RE: Well…
…that’s certainly true. And, for your and others edification, it’s in the scriptures like that too.
Vis-a-vis the good atheists, as Paul recounts it, there are people who follow God’s precepts without ever knowing Him. It’s something they are self-aware of.
Vis-a-vis bad ‘christians’, just look at history, pay particular attention to Jimmy Swaggart, Jim Bakker, a group of Roman Catholic ‘priests’ vis-a-vis alter boys, some of the Medieval Popes, etc., etc., etc…..
Still and all, I’ve yet to see an atheist come forward with a ‘Rule Book’ on what is ‘good’ and what is ‘evil’.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Integrity has no need for rules.]
P.S. Maybe this plays into Niven and Pournelle’s Escape from Hell, as reviewed by the BlogFather the other day….In heaven there are no laws. In hell all there is is law and it is meticulously applied.
Mar 6, 2009 - 1:54 pm 74. Chuck Pelto:TO: Jim Treacher
RE: Heh
Why? Because I recognize a creepy tag-line for a blog-site?
Are you ‘projecting’?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Mar 6, 2009 - 1:57 pm 75. Delia:[If you don't say it, they can't repeat it.]
71. ignatov:
“There’s plenty of good atheists; plenty of bad Christians.”
~
So right. I’ve known plenty of both kinds. I was an athiest for a longggggg time after my psycho mother forced religion down my throat and it took me a long time to come back to my belief in God…something I’d NEVER want to force on ANYONE. My daughter believes in God per her own choice… One thing about being a Christian is accepting that you are the furthest thing from perfect.
Mar 6, 2009 - 1:57 pm 76. Ardsgaine:Chuckles:
The interpretation of the Biblical quotation is plain enough: Money is a distraction from those moral pursuits that will gain a man salvation in the eyes of God.
Yes, Rand’s statement is contradictory to Christian ethics. That was my point. One has to choose.
Jesus said, “Render unto Caesar those things which are Caesar’s, and unto God those things which are God’s.” Which things did he say are yours? The example he gave of complete sacrifice for others is the lesson that Christians take as definitive on the subject: Morality consists of sacrifice. Jesus said: “Love one another, as I have loved you. Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.” That is a command to hold nothing back. When it comes to sacrificing for his fellow man, everything must be on the table, including the Christian’s life. Nothing is his. It all belongs to either Caesar or God, preferably God.
What does this have to do with Stephan’s post? Just this: It explains where the hell conservatives have been for the past eight years while their party was overseeing a massive expansion of the welfare state. So long as the sacrifices are being demanded by a good Christian man in the name of God, they are all for it. It’s only when it is done by their secularist foes in the name of the state that they can muster up any outrage over what is being done to the citizens of this country.
The Tea Party movement has chosen Ayn Rand for its intellectual inspiration. That is apt. Only Rand provides them with a moral justification to say “NO!” to the incessant demands for their wealth. The question is whether this is just a convulsion of the moment, or whether people will stand by the principles of Atlas Shrugged going forward. Is it just the worm wiggling before being skewered by the hook, or will they finally turn on the welfare state and shut it down for good?
Take the oath people: “I swear, by my life and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.” — John Galt, Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand
Mar 6, 2009 - 1:57 pm 77. AThinkingPerson:To be the bad guys all we have to do is take a page out of Obama’s Chicago politics playbook! To see how he’s fumbled his Presidency so far we can tell he’s not the sharpest knife in the drawer so following his bad boy rules to the top shouldn’t be so hard right?
Mar 6, 2009 - 2:01 pm 78. Chuck Pelto:TO: Delia
RE: Remembrance & Hope
Yeah. We, in my mens’ group, went over that in much detail the week before last: a scourge of knotted cords whipping about, tables, doves, money flying everywhere. All that ‘zeal’! VERY…impressive.
Maybe someone should do that on Capital Hill sometime?
I wouldn’t either. Actually, I’m in ‘extended play’ mode. I was supposed to officially ‘clock out’ at 0618 hr, Monday, 18 September 2004. But for some odd reason, I’m supposed to be here for a bit longer.
Maybe just to get a few more chuckles….
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Keep up the Go(o)d work....
....we're all excited.]
Mar 6, 2009 - 2:06 pm 79. vivo:56. Войска ПВО:
59. Chuck Pelto:
Are we having fun yet?
Mar 6, 2009 - 2:12 pm 80. Chuck Pelto:ERRATA: That was OCTOBER, not September…..
Mar 6, 2009 - 2:12 pm 81. Jim Treacher:“Why? Because I recognize a creepy tag-line for a blog-site?”
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0117092/
Mar 6, 2009 - 2:25 pm 82. Delia:77. AThinkingPerson:
“To be the bad guys all we have to do is take a page out of Obama’s Chicago politics playbook! To see how he’s fumbled his Presidency so far we can tell he’s not the sharpest knife in the drawer so following his bad boy rules to the top shouldn’t be so hard right?”
~
He’s not even the smoothest SPOON in the drawer! Ba-dump-bump!
I’m a baddddddddddd girl. *SPANK ME*!
Chuck, Chuck bo buck, banana fanna fo___
Zeal! I think Zeal is a zesty idea actually! *kisses you on the nose*
Mar 6, 2009 - 2:26 pm 83. Chuck Pelto:TO: Войска ПВО
RE: Fun?
Somewhat. However, having read through to the end of the Book, I already know the outcome. So seeing it being fulfilled before my very eyes IS rather ‘funny’.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[It is the Lord's doing and it is marvelous in our sight. -- Young Elizabeth, upon realizing that she is about to become Queen of England.]
P.S. It’s also in John, which I was reading last night…..
….how ‘coincidental’…..
P.P.S. What was I citing from George Washington (above)?
Mar 6, 2009 - 2:39 pm 84. Chuck Pelto:TO: Войска ПВО
RE: ERRATA
Ooops.
That was our dear little child, vivo, asking about ‘fun’.
TO: vivo
RE: Fun
See reply at #81, this thread.
Hope you can learn something…..
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Mar 6, 2009 - 2:42 pm 85. Jim Treacher:[(Certain) Children should neither be seen or heard from -- ever again. -- W. C. Fields]
Hint: It’s a play on a movie title. Try to remain calm.
Mar 6, 2009 - 2:46 pm 86. Chuck Pelto:TO: Ardsgaine
RE: Money and the Rich, Young Prince
True. But you fail to grasp the deeper significance. That Christ KNEW what the young man lacked and He challenged him to overcome his personal obstacle. Which he couldn’t.
The point is that each of us who follow Him need to realize that nothing we have is REALLY ‘our own’. Not our property, our money, our family or even our very lives.
Are you ‘getting a clue’ here? I hope so.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Mar 6, 2009 - 2:47 pm 87. visual_dies:P.S. If you would like to learn more, you’re welcome to join our little ‘group’ on Friday mornings……
Rush Limbaugh spoke in his great CPAC speech the following:
“We don’t want to tell anybody how to live. That’s up to you. If you want to make the best of yourself, feel free. If you want to ruin your life, we’ll try to stop it, but it’s a waste. ”
If only that were consistently true. Too many people want to tell other Americans how to live (anti-gay marriage, anti-abortion, 6000 year old earth fairy tales taught in science class)…
How much harder is it for us to take up this call to arms with such “allies” manning the flank?
Mar 6, 2009 - 2:49 pm 88. Chuck Pelto:TO: Delia
RE: No….
…lipstick. The distaff will become ’suspicious’. If not violent.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Mar 6, 2009 - 2:49 pm 89. Firefly:[Who can find a good woman? Her worth is greater than rubies. -- Proverbs 31]
Hah!! Yeah ALL of the current financial problems are because of a president who has been in power all of three months. Get a grip. Its pretty obvious that the current financial crisis can be traced back to the deregulation of financial markets and business in the Reagan/Thatcher era. Only made worse by a ridiculously expensive and unnecessary war in Iraq, and terrible financial policies of the Bush government.
Mar 6, 2009 - 2:53 pm 90. Chuck Pelto:If you wanna revel in being bad guys, go ahead. You won’t see a Repblican in the white house for a LONG time.
TO: Jim Treacher
RE: [OT] Actually….
….I SERIOUSLY doubt many people are aware of that movie. I wasn’t, until you pointed it out.
Many more are familiar with the term ‘teacher’. Besides, someone asking their ‘mother’ to sleep with someone, is just so much jail-bait.
Hope that helps.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Mar 6, 2009 - 2:56 pm 91. ignatov:[Dreaming frees the soul, energizes the spirit and allows you to do things that would get your ass thrown in jail if you really tried them.]
Chuck said, “I’ve yet to see an atheist come forward with a ‘Rule Book’ on what is ‘good’ and what is ‘evil’.”
Here’s a pretty good secular guide for behavior:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_the_United_States
“The law of the United States was originally largely derived from the common law system of English law, which was in force at the time of the Revolutionary War. However, the supreme law of the land is the United States Constitution and, under the Constitution’s Supremacy Clause, laws enacted by Congress and treaties to which the U.S. is a party. These form the basis for federal laws under the federal constitution in the United States, circumscribing the boundaries of the jurisdiction of federal law and the laws in the fifty U.S. states and in the territories.”
Mar 6, 2009 - 3:15 pm 92. Chuck Pelto:TO: ignatov
RE: [OT] Too Funny
We’re watching the ‘law’ of the United States be suborned before our very eyes.
Indeed, while attending a General Meeting of the Denver Chapter of Mensa some years ago, we heard a professor of Constitutional Law from Denver University declare that….now GET THIS….
There are no such things as ‘Constitutional Rights’. There are only ‘textual rights’. You change the ‘text’ and you change the ‘right’.
So…please….try to avoid trotting out the idea that we can determine what is ‘right’ or ‘wrong’ based on what some few score people decide on Capital Hill. Their opinions on such weighty matters are as mercurial as President Obama’s campaign promises. Especially with THIS Congress.
There are truths, pointed out in the Declaration of Independence which transcend the ‘law of the United States’. Indeed, I do believe that President Thomas Jefferson, who wrote the Declaration, thought that some form of occasional ‘revolution’ was required to keep the tree of Liberty alive. That such revolutions required US to resist what we honestly thought to be laws that violated our sense of ‘right’ and ‘wrong’.
I’m not saying it’s time to start such a revolution. But it certainly appears to be time to ‘resist’ unjust and wrongful ‘laws’ as invoked by those few score people on Capital Hill.
Indeed, Stephen Green and a number of others here have stated the same, albeit in a more subdued, and humuoresque, fashion.
My concern is where the atheists are ‘coming from’ with their understanding of ‘right’ and ‘wrong’.
From YOUR argument—the law of the United States—I get the impression that Congress can do no ‘wrong’. And I have to ask you….WHY is that?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Mar 6, 2009 - 3:32 pm 93. Chuck Pelto:[No man's property, liberty or life is safe while the legislature is in session.]
TO: visual_dies
RE: [OT] Say What?
You’re welcome to believe whatever you want to believe. Or are you saying that those who believe differently than you should NOT believe such?
RE: Gay Marriage
Where is it stated as a right in the Constitution of the United States?
RE: Abortion
Where is it stated as a right in the Constitution of the United States?
RE: 6000 Year-Old Earth
Where is it stated as a right in the Constitution of the United States?
And, furthermore, why is it that the Federal government should dictate to the rest of US? Homosexuality? Abortion? Or Religion?
Please show me where it is written in the Constitution of the United States that they should do so.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
P.S. TO: ignatov….
….here’s an interesting platform to discuss the ‘law of the United States’ vis-a-vis ‘right’ and ‘wrong’.
Mar 6, 2009 - 3:40 pm 94. serr8d:If you want OUTLAW!, you better embrace Jeff Goldstein. Because OUTLAW! doesn’t wear no thrice-damned fedora.
Mar 6, 2009 - 3:46 pm 95. Chuck Pelto:P.P.S. TO: ignatov….
….if you had held up the Constitution of the United States, you’d have started off on a better, i.e., more sound, footing in this discussion.
Mar 6, 2009 - 3:46 pm 96. Cybergeezer:What B.S! Conservatives/Republicans have been the victims for decades because they refuse to fight the Democrats/Liberals in the street like they are being attacked. F them; fight them with like weapons and tactics. Treat them as the terrorists they are.
Mar 6, 2009 - 3:52 pm 97. Susan Katz Keating:We all need to start bench pressing in prep for our Big Moves. Heh heh…
Mar 6, 2009 - 4:01 pm 98. ignatov:Chuck: “So…please….try to avoid trotting out the idea that we can determine what is ‘right’ or ‘wrong’ based on what some few score people decide on Capital Hill.”
Says the guy who insists we can determine right and wrong by reading a book written by goat-herders 2000 years ago.
Mar 6, 2009 - 4:18 pm 99. Chuck Pelto:TO: ignatov
RE: [OT] Ack Tso!
So….
…please tell US all what’s wrong with such ideas as:
• Don’t murder
• Don’t steal
• Don’t lie about your ‘neighbor’
• Honor your parents
And stuff like that there.
Go on. I defy you.
And, in the meantime, WHEN will you come up with a ‘rule book’ that makes any sense?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Mar 6, 2009 - 4:25 pm 100. Chuck Pelto:[It's the oldest and most published book on the face of the planet. And yet ignorant people—who've likely never read it—despise it.]
P.S. TO: ignatov….
….I see you’ve abandoned the ‘law of the United States’ argument.
Very sound move on your part…..
Mar 6, 2009 - 4:26 pm 101. Chuck Pelto:TO: All
RE: What a ‘Dork’
Any intelligent man wears a broad-brimmed hat in Colorado. Therefore serr8d obviously either has no experience with high-altitude living or is totally devoid of ’style’.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Mar 6, 2009 - 4:35 pm 102. Chuck Pelto:P.S. In the Summer months I favor a woven grass hat. In Winter a black leather….
TO: Susan Katz Keating
RE: Soooooo…..
How many copies of….
THIS booklet…
….have you purchased and distributed to your friends?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Mar 6, 2009 - 4:43 pm 103. Chuck Pelto:P.S. Be prepared for a visit from our ‘friends’ at the BATF……
P.P.S. Do remember, that our ‘friends’ at BATF were responsible for what happened in Waco during the proverbial First Hundred Days of the Clinton ‘administration’.
And NOW, we’ve got a brand new, shiny Democrat ‘administration’…..
Mar 6, 2009 - 4:45 pm 104. Bilgeman:#89 Firefly:
“Yeah ALL of the current financial problems are because of a president who has been in power all of three months.”
No, not ALL. Don’t raise straw men to knock down and call it making your point.
A lot of this is structural, a lot of this is bipartisan.
But Obama, as can be plainly seen from how the markets have reacted is not helping matters.
In fact, he’s making them worse.
Every time he or Geithner open their mouths, the markets take a dump.
A Depression is a mishandled Recession.
And that’s what’s going on here.
Mar 6, 2009 - 5:15 pm 105. Jim Treacher:“….I SERIOUSLY doubt many people are aware of that movie. I wasn’t, until you pointed it out.”
No kidding. But I accept your apology for your unprovoked attack.
Anyway! Stephen, you’re right that we should stop trying to play their game by their rules. They’ll just twist everything around anyway, so we might as well say what we think.
Mar 6, 2009 - 6:06 pm 106. Delia:104. Bilgeman:
“Every time he or Geithner open their mouths, the markets take a dump.
A Depression is a mishandled Recession.
And that’s what’s going on here.”
~
Power grab by the lefties with insidious undertones yet brought to light:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/03/the_obama_double_tax_whammy_1.html
Mar 6, 2009 - 6:13 pm 107. serr8d:TO: Chuck Peltro
RE: Hat tip
Chuck, didn’t mean to confuse you.
There’s only one fedora in these here parts.
And, as for high-altitude living, yes, I grew up in Arizona’s White Mountains. Hat, boots, and hogleg.
For the snakes, you see.
Mar 6, 2009 - 6:27 pm 108. Moogie:#23: one of my own: “The problem with you conservatives is you can decide whether you’re make-believe good guys or make-believe bad guys.”
Dear #23: The problem with you liberals is that you keep showing up on our sites.
Mar 6, 2009 - 7:11 pm 109. Andrew Ian Dodge:Chuck lighten up man…last time I checked Joker was a fictional character. But lets face it..in a good movie the baddy has all the good lines.
Mar 6, 2009 - 7:57 pm 110. Bilgeman:#106 Delia:
“Power grab by the lefties with insidious undertones yet brought to light:”
Too much too soon for the young apprentice.
Firefly must first at least entertain the possibility that the Alleged Hawaiian isn’t “all that and a bag of chips”.
Once he or she can at least recognize market facts about Obama’s policies, that he’s “Zimbabwefying” America, THEN we can move on to motivations.
Brother fred has a good observation on another thread about short attention spans, so if we do this, we have to cut it up into bite-size chunks for them.
I wonder if I can flog seminars for “O-bot Deprogramming” on late-night TeeVee…
Mar 6, 2009 - 7:59 pm 111. Bilgeman:O-bots:
-Why are we STILL in Iraq?
-Why is Guantanamo STILL open?
-Is the PATRIOT Act STILL the law of the land?
-Why is there STILL earmarks in the Stimulus Package?
-Why is Eric Holder not acting “post-racial”?
-Why does the White House feel that it now needs to oversee the Census MORE closely, after its’ been chugging right along just fine for over 200 years?
-What does ACORN do that it deserves millions of taxpayers’ dollars, over say, some public school systems?
-Why does Gaza get $900 million in US Aid when the place is run by a terrorist organization?
If you gave money to Hamas as a private citizen, you’d be in DEEP doo-doo.
-Where is all this money going to come from? Obama’s tax hikes on who he calls “the rich” simply will NOT pay for the amount of spending he’s proposing. The math doesn’t add up.
-You voted for Hope and Change…does this Change so far give you much Hope?
Obama Lied-America Died!
Mar 6, 2009 - 8:18 pm 112. Delia:108. Moogie:
“Dear #23: The problem with you liberals is that you keep showing up on our sites.”
~
Moogie, the libs think us R’pubs are making waves on ‘THEIR’ turf. They don’t realize that there is a R’pub geek squad in the making. I learned ms-dos on my first TANDY laptop before the internet was even ‘invented’ by Al G/Bore *cough-cough*. I pity the fools who think I’m not the only GEEK on the side of Repubs. Ahem.
Mar 6, 2009 - 8:52 pm 113. randy:I had dinner with friends tonight. All Dems. For the first time since the election, I let loose. It was interesting to learn they didn’t realize the top 10$ of taxpayers are paying 70% of taxes. They honestly a system that punishes success and rewards failure can work. Please. I felt very liberated.
Mar 6, 2009 - 9:13 pm 114. Knights13:“When I was in college in the late 80’s, we conservatives were naturally accused of being fascists. Our standard response: “We are not fascists. Fascism puts too much power in the hands of the people.”
Very true. Conservatives would be far away from the -ism and more towards anarchy. I get the feeling that conservatives are portrayed more as cavemen. They are dumb and can’t comprehend the modern world. Lack of intellect and bible thumpers would describe conservatives.
So, say goodnight to the dumb conservatives.
Mar 6, 2009 - 9:32 pm 115. fireyourguns:108. Moogie:
“Dear #23: The problem with you liberals is that you keep showing up on our sites.”
—————
Yea Moogie, go figure! They’re either unconvinced in regards to their own contentment, hence the constant “noise interference” they bring to sites like PJM and Drudge, or, they’re just simply “gluttons for punishment”! I clicked on “Huffn’Puff” once, several years ago. Nothing but “we hate anything Republican” distortions, half-truths, total lies, and other forms of sissy liberal BS! Haven’t been back since! Maybe they’re more like us than they think they are, eh? Can’t blame the poor lost souls for that though, after all, there is a cure for the diseased animal more commonly known as liberalism, it’s called…conservatism!
Mar 6, 2009 - 9:53 pm 116. Robohobo:I have not read all the comments but I believe that the cogent quote is this. When they find the planet where the drug has been introduced to make all the people docile but instead they all just stop living life. Mal Reynolds can only fight back by broadcasting what has happened through Mr. Universe and says to the crew:
Capt. Malcolm Reynolds: “Y’all got on this boat for different reasons, but y’all come to the same place. So now I’m asking more of you than I have before. Maybe all. Sure as I know anything, I know this – they will try again. Maybe on another world, maybe on this very ground swept clean. A year from now, ten? They’ll swing back to the belief that they can make people… better. And I do not hold to that. So no more runnin’. I aim to misbehave.”
Okay. No more runnin’. I aim to misbehave.
Mar 6, 2009 - 10:28 pm 117. James S.:Evil Otto: OOPS! Yeah, I really shot that one. Brown Coat. Got it.
Mar 7, 2009 - 12:29 am 118. vivo:111. Bilgeman:
Sorry you have ADD.
Mar 7, 2009 - 4:19 am 119. Bilgeman:#118 vivo:
“Sorry you have ADD.”
No answers to my bite-sized queries, huh?
Were they too difficult for you to understand?
Quick! better throw an insult so that you don’t look clueless.
Shout a few more slogans…you’ll feel better and look “cool” to the O-bots who are trying to cover up their nagging feelings of being used as a pack of chumps by an alleged Hawaiian mack-daddy.
Mar 7, 2009 - 7:30 am 120. Delia:119. Bilgeman:
“Shout a few more slogans…you’ll feel better and look “cool” to the O-bots who are trying to cover up their nagging feelings of being used as a pack of chumps by an alleged Hawaiian mack-daddy.”
~
LOL! Thank goodness you didn’t say ‘chimps’ or there’d be hell2pay.
Bilge, I think you short-circuited one of our resident libtroll’s mental motherboards. Good job. Aww. Maybe his bolts just need tightening. hehehehehe
Mar 7, 2009 - 8:40 am 121. Bilgeman:#120 Delia:
“Bilge, I think you short-circuited one of our resident libtroll’s mental motherboards. Good job.”
As the software boys like to say:
“That’s NOT a bug…it’s a FEATURE!”.
Mar 7, 2009 - 9:47 am 122. Dr. T:A valid point. Those supporting Obama are so strongly believing and indoctrinated that we cannot expect to change their viewpoints until they finally feel betrayed by what is going on. So ignore them.
Mar 7, 2009 - 9:59 am 123. Ron Robinson:I for one will do what I believe is right. I always have and see no reason to roll over to make others happy. I believe socialism, particularly in my field of medicine, will destroy us as a nation. And I do mean all of us.
“Never give up, never surrender.”
If I get painted as the bad guy, so be it.
http://gopguerrillas.ning.com/
Calling all bad guys!
We need some of this bad guy energy sometimes to fight our own party! The RNC released a pitiable RFC to get the awful GOP.com web site (badly broken) replaced. But it does not contain a real Activism Center with genuine network tools like Obama used online to strengthen his recent win.
So some of us decided that we would build the tools that the RNC will not provide. Although it really isn’t a hijack, we are calling it that.
If you are a web developer type, please visit http://gopguerrillas.ning.com/ and join the effort.
Mar 7, 2009 - 11:01 am 124. Delia:121. Bilgeman:
“That’s NOT a bug…it’s a FEATURE!”.
~
*Falls off chair laughin’*
I remember that! LMAO! *swipes tear of laughter*
~
122. Dr. T:
“Those supporting Obama are so strongly believing and indoctrinated that we cannot expect to change their viewpoints until they finally feel betrayed by what is going on. So ignore them.”
~
They are getting easier to ignore but sometimes they like to single people out with personal attacks and therefore I hit ‘em right back in there kissers. I don’t like to fight but I’ll muss up my hair if I hafta.
Mar 7, 2009 - 12:21 pm 125. Chuck Pelto:TO: serr8d
RE: Snakes in High Places
And I mean other than Obama in the White House.
Familiar with the necessity for headgear, thick leather footwear and firearms. Something to do with 27 years in the infantry.
At Fort Irwin, I watched as the battalion chaplain bashed a sidewinder with his helmet in order to adorn it with the snake’s skin as a camo-band.
[Note: Said chaplain almost started a barroom brawl in the O-club when he beaned a armor battalion commander on the head with a beer can from across the barroom for making untoward statements about paratroopers.]
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Mar 7, 2009 - 12:22 pm 126. Pegasus66:[You're not drunk if you can hold onto the floor without falling off.]
Way to go Ron Robinson – - I’ll check you guys out. Those of us in the trenches of South Carolina have come to realize that we have been regularly betrayed by our GOP higher-ups for too many years.
The come-back will have to be at the grassroots level with great internet and phone/blackberry connections (right now most of us older folks are still trying to findout wht a twitter is!)
But we know we must hang on to what we have. South Carolina has Jim DeMint for our hero, and he must be protected at all costs. We would accept a conservative swapout for Linsey Graham if we could find one. We have a lot of GOP congressmen and our state government is full of conservatives with a strong Republican majority. Gov. Sanford is very conservative and should go on to higher office – - but he hasn’t learned the art of diplomacy and finesse when dealing with a bunch of good ol’ boys. However, SC’s budget is still in the black – - one of only 4 states.
I figure the Dems have painted a huge bullseye target over South Carolina for 2010. I mean, they didn’t even shut down their campaigh operations after the 2008 election, and are already targeting some GOPers with radio ads in Charleston. You bet we’ll need stuff like goguerillas.
Back to the problems at hand. Quit trying to sort out who caused all this mess . . . there are individuals from both parties and no party who are orchestrating this fiasco. Neocons come from all sides, most are unelected, many are in the highest levels of influence (eg. GoldmanSachs, The Fed, World Bank, International Monitary Fund).
Their guru was Prof. Leo Strauss at the University of Chicago – - gee why am I not surprised? Outcome Based Education is another product of said institution (that’s why our younger people can’t read and do worship the UN). Strauss is the modern-day Machiavelli and taught the little princes to use Machiavellian tactics, and when uncertain as to how to go about things they could refer to Alinsky’s handy little book. Lying and violent revolution are to be encouraged.
Go to: http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2003/cr71003.htm
for a speech Ron Paul gave before Congress explaining just who these people are and what they believe and WANT. The worst of it is they think most of us are stupid and evil and only a strong authoritative government can make anything of us. When you read the names and the organizations, you will realize it’s not the political party, its the person. Their only allegiance it to their vision, not the Constitution and not the USA. Their plan is global and they must crush our economy – - which is our strength as a sovereign nation in order to merge us with their other victims . . . just weep for the countries in the EU.
I don’t know how to do it, but Bernanke must be kept from crashing the dollar, as the oligarchy that rules Mexico did a few years ago. They all divested their peoso investments, bought items on intrinsic value (art, jewelry, antiques, land, buildings, gold) and then devalued the Peso, causing great harm to everyone else. All Bernanke has to do is create a bunch more dollars out of nowhere in his computer and dump them in the market.
By the way, the banks aren’t loaning to anyone except their neocon friends because the Fed encouraged the banks to increase their Reserve Deposits at the Fed and it is now paying them interest on those reserves – - something it doesn’t usually. So, they don’t have to loan out the Bailout dollars in order to earn interest.
When events cannot be explained with facts and logic, look deeper for what they are hiding. You know, Hidden Agendas. And this was going to be the most transparent administration in history.
PS. I grew up outside Chicago during the original Richard J. Daley’s rule. Obama is no surprise to me. He is a construct, produced in the Chicago Political Machine – - a custom job, so to say.
I’m beginning to think that one of the Portals to Hell is located in Hyde Park on the University of Chicago Campus.
Mar 7, 2009 - 12:33 pm 127. Delia:126. Pegasus66:
“When events cannot be explained with facts and logic, look deeper for what they are hiding. You know, Hidden Agendas. And this was going to be the most transparent administration in history.”
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That statement NAILED it. So many of us who saw 0bama for what he was got ridiculed and laughed at but…oh how the worm turns.
Mar 7, 2009 - 12:56 pm 128. one of my own:Just checking in . . . seeing if anyone here has done woke up yet . . . by the looks of it, no . . . still blogging in your sleep. Be bad . . . Hail Rush . . . Draft Rush . . . Nominate Rush . . . Rush and Sarah . . . Rush and Bobby . . . Do this now . . . A-a-a-a-n-n-n-n-n-d, SNAP! . . . You’re awake. How do ya feel?
Mar 7, 2009 - 1:51 pm 129. Chuck Pelto:TO: one of your own
RE: Awake Yet?
Better lay off the sauce or dope.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Mar 7, 2009 - 2:10 pm 130. Chuck Pelto:P.S. It’s after noon in all parts of US….as Steve Martin tells Humphrey Bogart, “Your late for lunch.”
TO: Pegasus66, et al.
RE: Indeed
“When events cannot be explained with facts and logic, look deeper for what they are hiding. You know, Hidden Agendas. And this was going to be the most transparent administration in history.” — Pegasus66
As I learned in some obscure training program, if you want to know what the ‘other guy’ is doing, you need to apply what is termed ‘Intelligence Preparation of the Battlefield’ (IPB) to the situation.
I’ve found it to be fairly effective in understanding what is going on around me, when the ‘other guy’ isn’t being completely forthcoming.
The process, as applied to commerce and politics, consists developing as many of the possible courses of action the ‘other guy’ can take from their current situation.
Then you develop a list of ‘indicators’ that are associated with a ‘location’ and an ‘activity’. For example, if the ‘other guy’ intends to do something, look for some kind of ‘activity’ in this sort of ‘place’. These ‘indicators’, when they begin to talley up for each possible ‘course of action’ the ‘other guy’ might be attempting, give a pretty good idea of what their true intentions are, despite whatever they may be saying.
I’ve been using this sort of technique in politics, commerce and other venues for the last 18+ years. And, I have to say, it’s VERY effective.
Not that anyone listens to me when I say, “Expect THIS in the near future.” But….hey….you can lead a whore to culture…..
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Mar 7, 2009 - 2:19 pm 131. one of my own:[If you're not paranoid, you're not paying attention.....]
129 Chuck . . . “sauce or dope?”
Mmm, tough choice. I’ll get back to you. Keep those jokes coming. Hilarious! har-dee-har. You’re a great American. Hail Rush.
Mar 7, 2009 - 2:39 pm 132. Chuck Pelto:TO: one on your own
RE: Just….
“Mmm, tough choice. I’ll get back to you. Keep those jokes coming. Hilarious! har-dee-har.”– one on your own
…trying to help. One way or another….{snicker}….
As for the other part of your comment….
“You’re a great American.”– one on your own
Thanks!
It’s so seldom that people of your ‘kind’ have the courage to say such a think.
Indeed, when the distaff ran for the state legislature, your ‘kind’ of people would come up and say thinks like, “We’d love to support you, but if we donated the McCain-Feingold Act would expose us to ‘excommunication’ by our fellow ‘Democrats’.”
Gotta love it…..
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Mar 7, 2009 - 2:50 pm 133. Linguist:[And we thought Democrats were 'godless'.....]
As has been said, “Embrace the failure. It’s patriotic.”
All Republican Congress crittters need to be put on notice that we, the true Conservatives, will no longer brook any nonsense whatsoever from them. Flood their inboxes and their phone lines with praise when they do the Right Thing and with serious criticism when they do not. Let them know we are watching them and holding them to the highest standards and that they work for us.
And do the same with the Demon-crats. Make their lives miserable by exercising our right to free speech. Call them out on their hypocrisies, and if, by chance, they do the Right Thing, then let them know it’s appreciated.
A huge problem in this country is the masses going about their business as if running the government was not their business, too. We may be far, far more populated than in 1776, but that has never, and does not now, excuse full participation in the process.
People died so we could live like this. Understand what that means and then do something about it.
http://smokebreak.blogshevik.com/2009/03/07/equality-the-pursuit-of-happiness/
Mar 7, 2009 - 3:34 pm 134. Delia:130. Chuck Pelto,
“Lead a whore to culture?” he-he-he~
IMPOSSIBLE. You can’t ‘plant’ a seed that will not take root in ’soil’ that refuses to ‘drink’ from the fountain of knowledge where one must think.
BTW, Chuck… I’m not bad… I’m just drawn that way.
*Smooooooooooooooooch*
Mar 7, 2009 - 4:04 pm 135. Chuck Pelto:TO: Stephen Green, et al.
RE: STILL….
…waiting for the atheists to be able to identify what is ‘right’ and what is ‘wrong’, via some printed material.
Why are they so ’silent’?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Mar 7, 2009 - 5:16 pm 136. Chip:[The Truth will out....]
I pity this generation of youth who will end up having a tougher time than my generation did when my unknowing friends voted for Jimmy Carter.
66% of Americans think that Obama is actually trying to fix the economy rather than to try to destroy the free market aspects of the economy.
What will happen when the next portion of the minimum wage hike hits struggling business concerns? The labor contracts of GM, Ford and Chrysler are all indexed on the minimum wage.
I’m predicting that the State of Michigan will be the first state to default in about a year from now. Then Maryland will default…
This is now about survival… from the coming severe free-fall devaluation of our currency.
Obama’s Administration is now looking more like Jefferson Davis’ Administration by the minute.
Mar 7, 2009 - 6:41 pm 137. Thenakedemperor:The problem with modern Republicans (Not conservatives), is not that they are wolves in sheep’s clothing as much as sheep in wolf’s’ clothing. Enough. Let’s be wolves in wolf’s clothing.
We have nothing to lose. If we are destined for doom, let’s face it on our feet and go down swinging, not lying on our backs and piddling ourselves like whipped dogs.
Mar 7, 2009 - 7:22 pm 138. myth buster:Jesus devised the most all-encompassing morality in all of history. The reason this is the case is because Jesus’ morality governs thoughts, not just actions.
Mar 7, 2009 - 9:30 pm 139. one of my own:132 Pelt o’ Chuck . . . incomprehensible as usual . . .
Now . . . softly . . . slowly . . . deeper . . . deeper and deeper to sleep . . . drifting . . . sailing . . . pushing for Rush to stand taller . . . speak louder . . . get rounder . . . yes . . . that’s right . . . ditto . . . Rushbo . . . maverick . . . ruffle some feathers . . . real Americans . . . good . . . all good . . . still sleeping . . . deeper still . . . dead babies bad . . . gay people bad . . . dark people bad . . . compassion silly . . . must defend . . . must deny . . . Obama evil . . . boy stuff . . . monkey business . . . ammo fun . . . A–a-a-a-a-n-n-n-n-n-n-d-d-d SNAP!
How ’bout a Fresca?
Mar 7, 2009 - 9:54 pm 140. Nay:One thing strike so true on this story… my parents are hopeless libs. San Francisco, Grateful Dead libs. And, surprise, surprise, they aren’t open to other points of view, even though liberals pride themselves in being “open minded”. After awhile, it gets frustrating to be the dastardly evil conservative, because I swear, they think that all the world’s ills are caused by Republicans, strictly because they are Republicans and not Dems *one of my parents said “Republicans just cuts taxes and then spend, spend, spend… and then ended our conversation despite my jaw being on the table in disbelief).
So here I am, with a reputable University degree in engineering, but according to my family, despite my upbringing, I have chosen the evil, dastardly path. Now, I love my family, but I suppose I am willing to be the evil one for a few years. After all, they should be proud of me having convictions, right?
BTW, I’ll gladly take a fresca. Yum.
Mar 8, 2009 - 3:53 am 141. vivo:120. Delia:
“LOL!
hehehehehe
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Laughing at your own jokes will keep you healthy.
Let’s see what mood you are in today . . .
Mar 8, 2009 - 3:40 am 142. acj:Christianity and being a republican is an oximoron.
Mar 8, 2009 - 6:51 am 143. JackT:Change your ways and your luck will change. Stop the racism, the hatred, the party politics, the nastiness, the fake patriotism, the fake christianity, and the divisive rhetoric and you will be able to gain more ground. But to keep up the attacks and deliberately playing the role of villain will only dig you a deeper hole. Your premise in this piece shows just how out of touch and lost you people are. Evil for the sake of evil, that’s a sure loser philosophy.
Mar 8, 2009 - 7:52 am 144. Chuck Pelto:TO: All
RE: We’re Talking…..
“Christianity and being a republican is an oximoron.” — acj
….SERIOUS ’stupid’ with acj.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Mar 8, 2009 - 8:24 am 145. Amy:[Stupid, adj., Ignorant and proud of it.]
I like the Serenity references…However, with all the cute one-liners, we miss the full extent of what was going on when Malcom Reynolds says “I aim to misbehave” and Jayne Cobb says “Shepherd Book always said if you can’t do something smart do something right.”
Throughout the course of the movie (and the TV show), they deal with Simon Tam’s sister, River, who appears to be a few bricks short of a full load. You find out she really is… as her brain was played around with to make her a killing machine for the Evil Alliance. After all their allies are killed because the Evil Alliance is trying to kill River, Mal convinces his crew to make a suicidal run through “Reaver Space” (men who are cannibals… and much worse). The information they find from that mission shows that the Alliance, in their quest to make the world better…to make people better… to make everything non-violent and peaceful, actually created these Reaver people who terrorize the galaxy. (The Alliance denies the existence of the creatures they created). Mal’s speech after they find this information is one of my favorite movie quotes ever…and I think, as we look at the self-righteous “government can make everything better” Democrats,a very good parallel.
“as sure as I know anything, I know this…. they will swing back to the belief that they can make people, better. And I don’t hold to that. So no more running, I aim to misbehave”.
Stephen Green is dead on… we need to misbehave. It may be the only chance our country has.
Mar 8, 2009 - 8:32 am 146. RC Powet:In the 1930’s,when Germany marched into the Rhineland, 1 French Battalion could have stopped them and thus prevented WW II. Just think, 3 GOP Senators could have stopped this albatross of a stimulus bill, and subsequent insanity. But no, they voted for it.
Now to rectify the worsening situation, it is going to cost the American people far more then just money, it will probably cost a generation of lower standard of living and uncounted lives. Yet, YES it is now necessary to misbehave!
Mar 8, 2009 - 12:40 pm 147. Revnant Dream:Delia:
Just remember…
Even Jesus Christ himself got pissed off.
The most prescient comment of all.
Mar 8, 2009 - 1:04 pm 148. Pegasus66:Indeed he did & He will be even more so when He comes back. Seeing as how the Worlds lining up, that won’t be long. What do you think he’s gonna say about 43 million babies being killed? The only thing keeping America protected was its commitment to Israel.
Its time we all stopped giving in to these haters of mankind. They worship the world as an Idol with false profits like Gore that feeds into the socialists or death cults, lust for riches. The best way to feed that is to take your money for fantasies. They have created a new religion for this. One as Gore said you cannot comment on because its fact. A real funny article well presented. Thank you Stephen Green for some needed conservative “stimulus”, to us who get beat down every day for our views. Given time these folks with there Jihad allies will cut us all down. Its an age of black is white is black thinking. Emotions are now values. I would add we have to get back the education system from these collectivists ,. Our children’s minds are vulnerable to be perverted by these collectivists with ethical relativity as the tool of a mental & spiritual lobotomy.
JMO
147 Revnant Dream
You end with one of the main problems: Government Schools, aka brainwashing factories. I do not say this lightly; the current programs are not academic teaching programs they are mental conditioning methods based upon Ivan Pavlov’s conditioning techniques. Outcome Based Education (and it has many names) is a values-clearing technique, the goal of which is to completely mould the minds of the victims to the world-view required by the state. In the process, every shred of Christian moral values and US Constitutional history is erased. Moral relativism and situational ethics rule.
Also, Pavlov designed a way to teach reading to that the student never really learns to read and comprehend well. Except for the favored ones chosen to go on the higher education, the majority are left “dumbed down” and a pool of cheap labor. Google: Pavlov’s Dogs/education
I don’t think we can repair the government system due to its size and the vested interests of the unions. But we don’t need to feed the children to this monster any longer. Why do you think they fight so hard to kill vouchers and home schooling?
Mar 8, 2009 - 2:16 pm 149. Chuck Pelto:TO: All
RE: Oh. Look….
JackT, @ #143, wants us ALL to become ‘Democrats’. Then we won’t be ‘villains’ anymore. We’ll be just like them.
And I DID appreciate the projection about ‘racism’, ‘hatred’, ‘party politics’, ‘nastiness’ and ESPECIALLY ‘fake christianity’.
I’d really like JackT to point out a REAL ‘christian’ in HIS party. You know, one who believes human life is sacred from conception. Admits to having been ‘born again’. Can hold his own in my mens’ Friday morning Bible study group about such thinks as “He who will not work, shall not eat.”
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Mar 8, 2009 - 2:17 pm 150. Delia:[A tree is known by its fruit. -- some Wag, around 2000 years ago]
‘145. Amy’ & ‘147. Revnant Dream’ & ‘148. Pegasus66m’,
Great posts…
I’m scared for us but I have faith in Jesus… I cry so hard sometimes I think my eyes are bluer than usual. -As angry as I get at the ‘libs’, I pray for them too. How can I not? My neighbors are all Libs and I love them dearly…I treat them as I’d want to be treated. I’m the most sinnin’ amongst us. I can’t cast a stone. NOOOOOOO way José!
I yam what I yam.
Mar 8, 2009 - 5:52 pm 151. Majer SuchowliŃki:…the main thing that I was reading this article for was to gauge what I view in broadcast on the “blogs”. I come from the “people in black from Eugene” of politics and am looking to get more involved in the regular electoral processes of our great participatory democracy. I figured that with the disillusionment of the two thousand six and two thousand eight elections there might be a chance for a more ideological, rather than RNC-business as usual, debates. Without a look at the more personal family~political grassroots focus that made the party in the late nineteen fifties I do not think the casting about and handwringing will help.
Love and prayers,
Majer
Mar 8, 2009 - 6:48 pm 152. Majer Suchowliński:Hello moderation(or?),
My name is Suchowliński. My email address, at least on my browser showing your web page,
was changed to “kiddymail.com” rather than kittymail.com. I regret any confusion.
I appreiciate your Pajama Media. Thank you.
Love and prayers,
Majer
Mar 8, 2009 - 8:58 pm 153. Jeff K:“the bad guys are usually the people having the most fun. All we need to do is the baddest thing of all: change the rules.” Great perspective Stephen Green Thank you
Join the Tea Party and Fight the Change
Mar 9, 2009 - 7:32 am 154. Jeff K:I just started a new file folder on my computer titled “Evil Conservative” and the first thing in it was the “Snidly Whiplash” picture from this article…he’s my new hero!
Mar 9, 2009 - 7:53 am 155. view from afar:Ok I’m way late, but how long are the good guys willing to wait until the children grow up and see the light? How many people learn? Please living in Europe, there are a lot of people who think like conservatives, but everything is so twisted here, they just care about joining two ends, and aren’t up to the political fight…it’s almost hopeless…be very careful…I do believe that there is righteous anger, the problem is using it wisely, and convincingly. I believe that is the key, but it’s going to be a long haul. i keep trying here, a lot of people are starting to understand better by my example; generous without being foolish about it, and speaking out my views, without trying to be too self righteous.
Mar 9, 2009 - 8:57 am 156. Son of Bob:Unfortunately, this country only works for the bad guys these days, so let’s be the bad guys proudly.
If religious extremists kill 3,000 innocent Americans in the name of your religion, suddenly yours is the true religion of peace, and the entire country must honor Ramadan.
If you buy houses you can’t pay for, the government will help you pay.
If you invade our country illegally, you are moved to the front of the line for handouts, and lawyers will donate their time to defend you, even though you’re criminals.
If you don’t work, the government will give you tax rebate checks despite your not paying taxes, food stamps for free food, and create programs to try to help you get free college.
If you work hard, pay your mortgage and other bills, pay your incredibly high taxes, you are the enemy in America – a “winner of life’s lottery” – you are the enemy…the bad guy.
If you live a bizarre or disgusting lifestyle, no matter how hurtful to yourself or others, you are encouraged to demand that everyone condone all of your activities, and programs will be set up to teach them to children in school. However, Christian tenets, the same ones this country was founded on, are deamed hateful and dangerous.
If we’re gonna be labeled the bad guys, let’s be the bad guys!
Mar 9, 2009 - 9:30 am 157. accidentwaitingtohappen:I will be happy to be a bad guy! Let me find my Browncoat.
In Serenity terminology, I don’t know if Poppa “O” represents the Alliance, or he’s the head reever.
Mar 9, 2009 - 12:07 pm 158. Liberta:Question: No offense to Bobby Jindal, Rush Limbaugh et al, but where are the attractive, burly republican males in the party a la Clint Eastwood? Why do we have to choose the lesser of the evils. You know when people think Obama is attractive and a “rock star” something is very wrong. I personally think it is because we have let the religious right dictate our candidates, Romney was THE perfect candidate and we let Huckabee and McCain destroy him. Shame on us.
Mar 9, 2009 - 4:04 pm 159. jrc:It’s time we were the cool party, which we are have you met an uncool Libertarian? It’s time Libertarians were let in from the cold and given the respect they deserve, we need to be the party that stays out of people’s business as well as out of their pocket books! Leave gay people alone and wait to talk about abortion until we are in power again! Then we have a case, Reagan proved that if it makes sense the majority will vote for you.
Geez, Stephen;
Your article could have been written in 1994; or 1964. The GOP has been a group of shameless cowards for decades, perfectly content to be the straight-man to the Democrats’ attacks. Even now (3/9/09) we see Boehner and all the rest of the Party of Wimps talk about ‘…the American people want us to work together…’. How do you imagine they can change?
Not a chance. Not with the Party of Cowardice. BTW, how many of the Republicans or Libertarians (or Democrats) are combat veterans? huh? Patriots? give me a break.
Mar 9, 2009 - 5:27 pm 160. Tennwriter:Liberta,
Most of the Libertarians I’ve met have been uncool, or only mildly cool. I’m also not sure Romney is your Libertarian hero, but I will admit he looks like a TV president.
Romney would have been the compromise candidate, but the liberals refused to compromise. They wanted McCain. And they got what they deserved. Defeat and ignominy.
And I’ve tried to create a situation where Libertarians could be given more respect. Unfortunately, it requires Libertarians to join up with Standard aka Social Conservatives to take the party back from the RINOs. And Libertarians seem to have a problem with classist bigotry…Maybe once they get over that, then they can play a much larger role in determining the course of the Party.
Mar 10, 2009 - 8:38 am 161. Jeff K:131. one of my own: (aka willies)
Mar 12, 2009 - 3:32 pmGreat to see your name again! I see you still have nothing to say. Good for you. Liked your sleep analogy…your fire dude!