74 Comments

1. Marie Claude:

It’s bizarre, for a right-wing party, DVU has Arabs and Turks, (on the pic in the german link)

Sep 13, 2009 - 2:08 am 2. Grace O'Malley:

National Socialism was never a right wing movement, it was only labeled thus. It was simply to the right of the Marxists. The European left/right terminology has little bearing on true descriptors of political movements, particularly in this country. Anything to the right of the extreme French Revolutionaries, who were the original leftists, is labeled right, regardless of their actual political ideology. Thus Hitler, who had an alliance with the Grand Mufti back when, becomes a right winger.
It is also worth mentioning that David Duke and Cindy Sheehan agreed on a few points as well, including rants against Jews and Zionism. Must be just another of those funny anomalies.

Sep 13, 2009 - 4:26 am 3. Poor Citizen:

Unfortunately, its the extremes that usually always get the headlines, whether in europe or america. The Joe Wilson’s and the Vann Jones in politics generate passion(s). This has been true throughout much of political history. Those of us stuck in the more sensible center are…in the words of my kids
“boring.” Go figure.

Sep 13, 2009 - 4:35 am 4. Bob:

I goes with Grace O’Malley: Nazism (National Socialism) should have never be categorized as a right wing movement in the first place. It is a huge mistake. As long as socialism is the cause of the Nazis’ desired nationalization of the economy and the means of production for the purpose of control, socialism is at its core a left-wing ideal. It’s an anomaly to cast the Nazis and the neo-Nazi descendants today as a right-wing movement, they should be identified as the extremities of the far left.

Sep 13, 2009 - 5:44 am 5. Blackwater:

Nazis and Neo-Nazis are such morons. Their hatred for Jews is so illogical. How does it make sense to be a white supremicist yet still hate Jews? Last time I checked Jews are pretty fair skinned and European looking as well. Hitler’s views of Jews as being sub-human rats were pretty much scientifically disproven. Jews have some of the highest recorded IQs in the world, they have an extremely high level of advanced degrees, they have soaring intellectuals such as Einstein and they have some of the lowest crime statistics out of any ethnic group. Far from being “sub human rats” if anything they’re some of the brightest people in the world. Thus white supremicists hating Jews makes about as much sense as black supremicists hating extremely gifted black people. And they’ve allowed their irrational hatred of Jews become so strong that now they’re willing to align themselves with mostly brown skinned religious fanatics? Uh but aren’t they supposed to hate brown skinned people??? Neo-Nazis are a digrace to their ethnic heritage. And whether or not they want to claim to be right wing I could care less. They are not welcome. I think they’re a mix of right and left to be honest. Nazism is short for National Socialism afterall. They support taking over private industry and giving it back to “The People”. Which is very Marxist left wing rhetoric last time I checked. They also DO NOT support individual liberty and smaller government.

Sep 13, 2009 - 7:20 am 6. Jack Jolis:

“Poor Citizen” — by what kind of twisted equivalence, either “moral” or otherwise, do you equate Representative Wilson, who was merely calling attention, (if intemperately), to the President’s manifest untruths, with Van Jones, a self-avowed Maoist-”communist” who subscribes to the notion that President Bush masterminded the murder of 3,000 of his fellow citizens and is self-declaredly intent upon bringing revolution?

Those are the two “extremes” between which you find yourself at a “sensible center”?

Uh, I rather think not. I think, in fact, it makes you, by any reasonable barometer, a …. moderately unthinking, cautiously clueless, tentative know-nothing ninny. And, trust me, “boring” is the least of it…

Sep 13, 2009 - 8:48 am 7. Stephen Fox:

What Marxists, Neo-Nazis and Islamic theocracies have in common is the combination of poverty with authoritarian social and governmental structures. Right/Left distinctions are irrelevant outside prosperous democratic polities.
They hate us because we are richer than they are, and argue that we stole our wealth from them, somehow. They refuse to recognise that we became rich because we learned to spend our time trying to dominate each other not with violence, but with creativity.
Some argue that we should help them become prosperous, but how? Giving them money doesn’t do it. All we really can give them is ideas about how to live, and order their societies, but this is viewed by them (and their useful idiots here) as neo-colonialism, and is the one thing we have that they refuse to accept.

Sep 13, 2009 - 9:03 am 8. Greying Wanderer:

“why not simply call a Nazi … a Nazi?”

On the surface that’s true but the Nazis would never have got into power if they were just anti-Jewish. They had to be anti-communist too i.e they had to be focused on an obvious threat that deeply worried ordinary voters.

Ignoring that aspect creates distorted history and that distorted history is precisely what has led to mass immigration, multi-culturalism and German youth celebrating an “Al Quds” day in Berlin.

Sep 13, 2009 - 9:18 am 9. robotech master:

To 8. Greying Wanderer

I think most ppl knew they were anti-communism…. ignorcing the fact they were anti-capitalist is what really miss leads the masses.

Nazi were centrist to leftwing. They could never be class as rightwing other then rightwing socialists…

Sep 13, 2009 - 10:11 am 10. goy:

@1. Marie Claude: – It’s bizarre, for a right-wing party, DVU has Arabs and Turks, …

Perhaps you’re being tongue-in-cheek, but if not…

Well that’s because DVU is erroneously referred to as “right-wing”, thanks to decades of marxist propaganda designed to distance international socialism (communism) from national socialism (fascism), and link classical liberalism, republicanism, capitalism and conservatism with the militaristic, xenophobic, goose-stepping Nazis. John Rosenthal’s observations demonstrate the fallacious nature of this erroneous characterization.

Hitler: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei – national socialism / totalitarianism

Mussolini: Partito Nazionale Fascista – national socialism / totalitarianism

Stalin, Soviets, et al.: (numerous) – international socialism / totalitarianism

Ahmedinejad, Islamist Regimes: (numerous) – theocratic dictatorship / thugocracy / totalitarianism

Chavez: Partido Socialista Unido de Venezuela – nominally international socialism / thugocracy / totalitarianism

A great example of Chavez’ quest for power was Mossadegh’s usurpation of control over Persia / Iran, when he drove out the Shah, dismantled and disbanded Parliament, and set himself up as a secular dictator over a totalitarian society. He pushed communist policies that failed miserably, and he was eventually even rejected by the communists who initially supported him (and who triggered the involvement of MI-6 and the American CIA). Chavez effectively patterned his rise – a true repeat of history – after Mossadegh’s, avoiding most of the latter’s mistakes.

The most significant thing all these LEFTIST ideologies have in common is totalitarianism, i.e., an all-powerful State. Ideologies moving to the RIGHT have smaller, weaker government where the People increasingly govern themselves until, at the far right, you have Anarchy.

The Republican form of Government guaranteed by our Constitution – which emphasizes individual liberty, individual responsibility and right to property (e.g., capital) is right about the center of these left/right ideologies. Unfortunately, America is careening down the slippery slope at present, into the bottomless chasm of a new type of national socialism informed by international socialism: BHO’s re-imagined corporatist fascism.

Some folks try to muddle all of this by adding another dimension that expresses control over economy, but these models ignore the fact that – by definition – a totalitarian society places all economic function under State control in one way or another. They either seize control of the economy directly – as with communism and socialism – or they control the economy indirectly, through corporatist legislation that places government actors in charge of ostensibly capitalist enterprises, as BHO has done with the finance and automotive sectors, and is now trying to do with health care insurance and health care itself.

All of the above regimes – including the one BHO and the Congressional Democrats are building here in America – can be described by the following: “Everything inside the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State.”

Surely M-C, by now someone has referred you to Johan Goldberg’s Liberal Fascism for a detailed history lesson how this confusion came to be, yes?

Sep 13, 2009 - 10:34 am 11. Greying Wanderer:

“I think most ppl knew they were anti-communism…. ignorcing the fact they were anti-capitalist is what really miss leads the masses.”

The left has called the Nazis right-wing and used that as a stick to beat the right with for many years.

Now the right wants to call them left-wing and use that as a stick to beat the left with.

Neither helps with the current threat of religious totalitarianism.

However calling Communists left-wing totalitarians and Nazis right-wing totalitarians creates a pattern and people love to extend patterns.

Sep 13, 2009 - 10:49 am 12. George S.:

10. goy

great comment, I think M.C. is a little confused as to what right and left are (although not in her mind) …it is as you say a ploy by the marxist to control language and lable or mis-lable to their benefit.

regards

Sep 13, 2009 - 11:26 am 13. Grace O'Malley:

Blackwater, a quick history lesson if you will. In 1911 a German named Werner Sombart published a book called The Jews and Modern Capitalism, which in short, puts Jewish culture at the forefront of the development of capitalism. Mr. Sombart was the son of a liberal politician and industrialist, who became such a leading Marxist that Marx himself said he was the only German to understand Marxism. He was so firmly committed to that ideology that he had difficulty getting a university assignment with that being blocked by the government.
However he eventually held a chair in one of the most preeminent universities in Germany. He was a leading economic and sociology professor in Germany. Sombart famously asked why there was no socialism in America, and it is he who went on to speak of American Exceptionalism. Later when the National Socialists came into power Sombart embraced them as German Socialists.
Nazi’s did not hate Jews not just because they were considered a different race of people, but because they were seen as the founders of capitalism. What so many people dismiss as propaganda was not, it is what the Nazi’s believed. And they believed that the Jews were the carriers of the Capitalism disease, even the leading economist and sociology professor of Germany said so. And like so many other Marxists Sombart embraced the Nazi’s as true socialists just not Marxist socialists.
If you read the history of Germany following WWI it appears as a low level Civil War between competing political movements, not parties, but movements, particularly between the Bolshevik Marxists and the National Socialists. And it is also true that large numbers of leading Marxists were also Jewish, so as far as the Nazi’s were concerned the Jews were traitors by virtue of being the breeders of Capitalism, or traitors by supporting the wrong sort of Socialism. Throw in academic eugenics and the division of humanity into separate races, something heartily embraced by Progressives the world over, including Japan, and the holocaust begins to understood in a way that the socialist(Marxist)winners of WWII have attempted to airbrush out of history. Call it Stalin’s biggest lie.
We focus almost exclusively on the European Holocaust which also means we miss part of the picture. Look up Unit 731, the Japanese version of Death camps. As different as the Japanese and the Germans were, there was an underlying philosophy and belief system. We would do well to pick it out of the mud it’s been buried under.

Sep 13, 2009 - 12:32 pm 14. goy:

@12. George S.: – great comment, I think M.C. is a little confused

Thanks. But M-C is no dummy. If I could speak French half as well as she writes English I’d be happy to get across a tongue-in-cheek comment now and then. I’m hoping that’s what it was. That said, it never hurts to expose marxist propaganda early and often.

Sep 13, 2009 - 12:57 pm 15. henry j,orloff:

Reading all of these 13 comments and being a survivor/eye-witness of Gestapo/Nazism of Das Dritte Reich, of Stalin’s,Krushchov’s,etc.and Gorbachov’s USSR/Communist regimes,I say -all in a nutshell- reasons for those historic episodes are basically (look it up,it’s German:) “Groessenwahn”, Lust for World Power,GREED and HATRED. These are very basic animalistic feelings in the POWERFUL. Nuff said.Ask questions,believe ne,I HAVE THE ANSWERS.

Sep 13, 2009 - 1:22 pm 16. Hovo:

Government of Germany must be pretty stupid. To label NAZIS as (FAR-RIGHT) is not only a lie, it’s outright propaganda. It’s the Left trying to blame the Right for it’s own mess, like they always try to do. The fact is that NAZIS aren’t Right-Wing, they’re Left-wing, HELLO THEY ARE SOCIALIST. How ignorant are people in the German government that they don’t understand that NAZI were part of the NATIONAL SOCIALIST PARTY, maybe it’s selective memory. If you look at past 100 years, pretty much all the Dictators and Tyrants were on the Left of Center. EX: LENIN(communist), STALIN(communist), MUSSOLINI(Socialist/Fascist), HITLER(Socialist/Fascist), POL-POT(Communist), Ho CHI MINH(Communist), MAO SE TUNG(Communist), SADAM HUSSEIN(More of a One Party State, but I know He was a big fan of STALIN and modeled himself after him), JIM II SUNG (Communist,daddy), KIM JUNG II(Communist,son). Between all these scum on the left, over 100 million were killed through starvation, disease, work camps, death camps, assassination, relocation of population, war. So get your facts right Germany, after all, Germany is the home of NAZISM, you’d think they’d label them for what they really are, LEFT-WING EXTREMISTS.

Sep 13, 2009 - 1:37 pm 17. abel:

woman’s rights have been championing for equality, yet if there was equality in voting and other sorts of balance in workplace authority, then the need for their movement turns into something of the extremists. If you even suggest a quota on a council for such movements is a sham to their ideals of merit, you would be shot down quickly with all sorts of categorized insults.

So it is not so illogical to see a bunch of nazis doing the same thing, basically they have to label people enemies. Or else these movements, once the idols spill the beans to the little people, would and should be looked upon as discriminating against individuals/groups based on their sex, culture, race. it is ironic they contradict what they set out to establish. that is the only truth of human’s history.

It is all part of the plan. What one should be frustrated at is NOT the level of belief these people have to their environments. But perhaps one should be working with the next generation before such “social programs” are passed along. A lie doesn’t really stop, now you can write books, you can work with children to indoctrinate, and of course pull the opinion card where the opportunity presents itself as advantageous wile disallowing others to counter.

Sep 13, 2009 - 1:51 pm 18. wiseowl:

Power/greed and hatred hit the mark orloff.
exactly right.

Sep 13, 2009 - 1:52 pm 19. ECM2:

I must say this is one of the most civil and intelligent comment sections I’ve seen on just about any news related website. It’s nice to know there are true intellectuals surfing the web. I’ve learned a lot here. Thanks everyone.

Sep 13, 2009 - 2:01 pm 20. Moho:

Strangley, when neonazis join teabagging marches, its no news here.

Sep 13, 2009 - 2:13 pm 21. Jim Rankin:

It’s a bit deceptive to call it left-right like it’s a straight line. It’s more like a circle. The extremes have a lot more in common with each other than they do with the middle, such as indoctrination, absolutism, fundamentalism, authoritarianism. Socialism combined with democracy, is very much people-oriented, and for the people’s rights and freedoms, whereas communism as practiced by the Soviets and Maoists, and still practiced by the Chinese, who combine capitolism with authoritatianism rather than democracy, and the Iranian regime, and North Korea, Myanmar, Sudan, Zimbabwe, etc. is very autocratic, dictatorial, and very repressive against the people. Some may characterize one as left and the other right, but that has more to do with their history (such as China and North Korea’s traditional adherence to Communism) rather than practice, as otherwise they are little different from fascist regimes. Whether considered communist, Islamist, fundamentalist Christian, they’re pretty much the same. And the current Republican conservatives, with their spread of lies and divisiveness and insistence on strict adherence to their short-sighted, narrow-minded way of always favoring personal greed for the rich and powerful rather than the benefit for the public at large, looks frightfully close to what you often hear from the Islamicist mullahs and ayatollahs of some Muslim nations.

Sep 13, 2009 - 2:15 pm 22. Joseph:

why can’t arabs have “right-wing” politics? I think “traditionalist” might be a better word….

Sep 13, 2009 - 2:32 pm 23. Joe M.Veseloy:

The Jews are the inventors of Marxism not capitalism,and all this drivel about nazis hating them because of being capitalists is just that.Jews are inventors of totalitarian philosophies of all sorts, in Germany it just got a little bit out of their hands. Unlike Russia where they could murder without ever being punished.( Comrades Lenin,Trockij,Beria,Frenkel and so on….).I want to puke to listen to these commie apologists.By the way i was born and grew up in a communist country,and had to sneak out,so don’t give me this garbage about Marxist being for the little people.And I directly blame Jews for all the atrocities in soviet gulags.

Sep 13, 2009 - 2:44 pm 24. Eric:

It is not at all bizarre or unexpected for neo-nazis and Islamists to be joined in common cause. In fact, it is anything but surprising. One needs to understand that Jew-hatred is itself a super-powerful ideology that subsumes volkish ideology, fascism, the radical left, Islamists, etc. Many people still do not understand the numerous and strong ideological and historical links between Nazism and Islam. Perhaps a few less so today.

Sep 13, 2009 - 2:45 pm 25. Marie Claude:

“Again in 2005, the NPD acted in an aggressively racist and xenophobic manner rooted in what it calls in its party programme its “reality-based image of humanity”.
Referring to plans to return foreigners to their countries of origin (Heimführung), the NPD’s pamphlet of talking points issued for use during the Bundestag elections also deals with “children from mixedethnic
relationships (Mischlingen)”.19 The pamphlet notes that such plans do not apply to offspring of “mixed ethnic relationships between members of ethnically and culturally related European peoples”. Only “non-Europeans” are to be returned to their countries of origin; such persons rarely “mix with Germans”, the pamphlet states, as the “marriage and reproductive behaviour” of most non-Europeans remains “limited to members of their own ethnic or cultural circle”. Regarding children from relationships of “mixed ethnicity”, the pamphlet contains the following defamatory statement:
“Mongrels resulting from relationships between Germans and non-Europeans will ultimately choose to leave a Germany in the process of nationalising itself, because they prefer a multi-cultural environment. They will seek out foreign countries where there is no single race, where bastards are nothing out of the ordinary and the resulting ethno-cultural neglect and lack of community is ever-present. … Forced to wander between multi-cultural worlds and to face the cruel fate of homelessness, mongrels should blame their irresponsible and selfish parents rather than the Germans, who want to be a Volksgemeinschaft.” (Pamphlet published by the NPD party executive for the Bundestag elections: Eine Handreichung für die öffentliche Auseinandersetzung. Argumente für Kandidaten und Funktionsträger, pp. 8-9.)”

My purpose was to point on these NAZY partis incoherences, in this Al Quds manifestation, they support the very foreigners that they denounce !

a very interesting link

http://www.verfassungsschutz.de/download/SHOW/vsbericht_2005_engl.pdf

that I had hard time to read, cuz it kept on scrolling down

Sep 13, 2009 - 2:51 pm 26. Ameera:

They are united by hatred; that is all. They have found a group that they hate more than one another and even more than any other group. Jews pose more of a threat because they are able to blend easier than other groups with whites simply because they are white for the most part. These hate groups don’t plan on staying united. The plan is that when they have destroyed Israel and the Jewish “race” (no such thing; it is a religion not a race; anyone from any racial background can be Jewish), they will then turn on their partners in hate. The idea is to unify for a certain cause, and after that all bets are off.

Sep 13, 2009 - 2:52 pm 27. two ctruth:

Wow, the nazis’ statements are incredibly accurate and insightful. Didn’t realize they were so smart.

It’s true that the international zionist cabal, first beginning with England and presently via their control of the for-sale U.S. Government, have facilitated the ’sanctioned and funded by the west’ theft, murder, and ongoing oppression of the indigent populations of Palestine. This has led to the rise of global terrorism and subsequent expanding instability and war across the middle east. If the USA did not support and fund Israel’s crimes – 9/11 would never have happened; nor Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc.

It is also true that the global zionist banking oligarchs control governments around the world through their control of central banks. Consider the USA in the early 80’s – Volker pushed interest rates to 18%, unemployment hit double digits, Carter was out.

Global bankers also encourage deficit spending by governments – no better way to do this than by inciting perpetual war. During the bloody U.S. Civil War, the zionist bankers funded both sides. Without their funding, the war would not have happened, slavery would have been abolished through progress and mechanization (as it was everywhere else in the world). During wars, Governments spend and populations unquestioningly support. All one needs to do is create a bad guy (e.g., nazis – WWII, communists – Vietnam, terrosists – Iraq / Afg/ Pak). Until governments go broke. Then the international bankers move on to their next prey. This goes back to the Rothschild and continues to this very day.

Sep 13, 2009 - 3:03 pm 28. WisdomPrevails:

All people are created equal. There is not such a thing as a race or a people having a higher IQ than anyone else. In reality, the largest number of neurons you have, the smarter you are and that has nothing to do with geographical locations,civilizations, race or religion. Remember what freedom is? …anyone can believe in what they want..of course,only if you respect others’s freedom. If you’re in a disagreement with a group, prove they’re wrong – use tact, smarts, diplomacy, dialogs but never violence whether it is through dual fights, group fights or wars. In the end, the most rightful belief system will prevail and usually it is the one that grows the fastest because it makes sense to humans.
Stop being stubborn and proud and the world will become at peace. There are more good people around the world than you think and in all walks of life.

Sep 13, 2009 - 3:05 pm 29. Zak Panzer:

wow what nut cases all of you make no sense at all Henry you made since
as i was reading all the comments you guys really dont know whats happening do you
you dont see it you dont Hear it you dont KNOW
the Arab nation is trying to suk our Babies in
use them against their own Western Freedoms and People when our Children need us
this BS about Nazi hate and Commie bs and being a Coward to them
makes them act no different then the People in africa and how they are bringing genocide on their own people
this has to stop the Arabs and Jews Christians alike they belive in the Same god the God of Abraham the god of David the god of Allah
why are you doing this to our children do you Honestly want to Bring your Aryan Baby into a world filled with Hatred towards your Kind from every angle these people hate you!
and you allow your selves to be used as pawns for Arab ambition to taking over Europe
don’t you guys listen these Arabs have been trying to take Europe from us for Thousands of years are you really gonna give in to a Sandscum Arab
and let your Babies and their Babies be an Slave to sand scum ???
this is what you want Huh ???
well In the USA the UK and the Russia and Aussie Skins
we DO NOT except this
the Germans of today have Become weak
at one time they Defended Europa From the Hoards for 1500 years
now you allow it to happen again
Where is
Mr. Martel when we need him
do you not understand slavery has been gone for almost 50 years Honest abe didn’t do shit It was a Unanimous Decision by the White race to abolish Slavery and rid the world of Hate not a bunch of angry pissed off Blacks marching on DC.
believe you me what the Arabs want is to Own a White Arayn Man woman and Child as their House maid/ servant in lamens terms your gonna be a Slave if you dont fight Back!!!!

Sep 13, 2009 - 3:13 pm 30. George S.:

27. WisdomPrevails:

All people are created equal.

actually people are NOT equal. their rights should be(and even here they usually are not). for example: if I was black then I would be able to jump the que and get into a university ahead of some one who was white but had better grades. ….here we see that the people are not equal, one had better grades.

this is one of the methods that the ideologs use to divide people. …it is the ones who want what some one else earned that always use the battle cry for equality.

people are just not equal …

Sep 13, 2009 - 3:44 pm 31. Marie Claude:

Blackater is right, “they’re a mix of right and left to be honest.”

“Nationalism was originally a left-wing and Republican ideology.[52] Nationalism became a main trait of the right-wing and, moreover, of the far right after the Dreyfus Affair.[53] The original right-wing nationalists endorsed ethnic nationalism and believed in defining a “true” national identity and defending it from elements deemed not part of the identity and corrupt”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics

BTW France still respects the definition of “right” and “left”, Le Pen is a far-rightist, that fits the definition of a radical right wing, that promotes “order” and strong power, where army and paramilitary “militias” have a great part ; his paradoxe is, as a notorious antisemit, he advocates openly his support to Israel.

Georges, I know that there is a confusion on the term wether you are of this side of the pond and yours, but that mostly relies within the differences of interpretation of “liberalism” on this side of the pond, that is considered as promoting “capitalism”, but is “left” in the US.
The term “liberal party” doesn’t exist by our standards, it’s an anglo-saxon label.

Goy, your guy J. Golberg, is the creator of the expression “surrender monkey”, so , I have no desire to read his litterature, which might be as so “partisan”

Sep 13, 2009 - 3:45 pm 32. Marie Claude:

er umm there is a “mic-mac” with the blog,

actually I’m seeing “George S” comment awaiting moderation, while mine was swalloed

Sep 13, 2009 - 3:49 pm 33. dan:

Neo-nazis are just Commuist front groups that exist to provide a pretext for destabilization of a country. There are no “neo-nazis.” Use your brains.

Sep 13, 2009 - 4:00 pm 34. Davo:

National Socialism is not right wing, because it attempts to preserve indigenous peoples and their culture.

Marxism is New World Order, in that it wants to bring many races into one nation, knowing they will turn on each other. In essence Marxism employs the divide and conquer strategy to rule people.

It is not surprising to me that Marxism was invented by a Jewish person, because historically they are minorities without a homeland – they been expelled from 120 countries and cities throughout their history. So I see Marxism as a way for Jews to create societies of bickering minorities, that they cannot be expelled from.

Sep 13, 2009 - 4:35 pm 35. Carl Looney:

to “two ctruth:” economists would argue with your notion that bankers encourage war. War inevitably drives inflation, via scarcity versus need, under which bankers lose. If they loan $100 at 6% interest and inflation is 10%, then their $100 + $6 = $106 is a loss because their $106 is now worth about $106×0.9 = $95.40. Bankers hate inflation and thus whatever drives it. We need empiricism to counter strong ideologies (theories) that motivate people to hate others. My parents were Southern Baptists, so I am not speaking for Jews, or any other religious component here. My views are that the Israelis should quit their land transgressions, destroy all illegal settlements, and accept Palestine as a separate country with whom they can do mutually beneficial business. Given their history, they must conquer their fear and be bold in the opposite of their current direction.

Sep 13, 2009 - 4:42 pm 36. George S.:

32. M C

yes I see it on occasion …gremlins. probably just a glitch.

but on another note, the email I use for posting here was being tampered with and the email provider had me change my login “due to suspicious activity yesterday.

Sep 13, 2009 - 4:57 pm 37. Sadie:

#22 & #26

Find a bridge, get a box, crawl into it – it’s where trolls live.

Sep 13, 2009 - 4:59 pm 38. marco:

This is happing in europe today, the so called arabs or muslims are taking over europe.I am black african in europe but l respect the institutions but this filty arabs dont give a shit about the european institutions and the nazis are teaming up with the same enemies of their institutions that europe have sacrify their blood centuries to uphold it to this stinking nuts with no values?look in sweden and l have never seen a coward society surch as sweden where they grant citizenship to this nuts and later they go to commit terrorist attacks on neighbouring countries like spain,the uk and other countries in the union.

Sep 13, 2009 - 5:21 pm 39. patriot:

ive read all of these comments and they are nothing but opinions that contridict its selves.so ill add mine.hitler had a problem with the jews because islamics wouldnt let them move down to israel or any other muslim countrys.himmler was a muslim who made the deal with hitler to kill all the jews off the face of the earth.thats why himmler was second in commandand and was in charge of the death camps.because he took care of hitlers jew problem.there where 4 divisions in the ss and himmler was over all death camps built just for jews.deathcamps was 1)police was 2)soldiers was 3)hitlers bodygaurds was 4).if it wasnt for capitilst countrys that fought in ww2 then the world would be under the german flag.how would ya like that.

Sep 13, 2009 - 6:13 pm 40. Grace O'Malley:

Wow, who invited the Stormfront Crazies? You can’t save some people from crazy, the best one can do is to inoculate the rest of the population with the shining light of truth. Socialism is not Marxism alone, Socialism is the tree with Marxism a branch, National Socialism is another, as is Italian Fascism, Franco’s clerical Fascism etc… Socialism itself goes back to Henry Saint Simon, an Aristocrat from the French Revolution who attempted to put together a “Scientific Society” sound familiar?
I can’t see the morons who’ve swarmed here to actually think or learn anything that is akin to reality,
Just curious Marie Claude, was Robespierre left or right?

Sep 13, 2009 - 6:41 pm 41. Marie Claude:

Patriot, you forgot the Soviets, this is the main reason you came over, imagine the communist empire from Brest to Vladivostok, not counting Africa and Asia, poor little America then, with a bigger inflation and unemployment rates. To whom would you have sold your planes, arms, cars, tractors… Hollywood movies… blue-jeans, and chocolate ?

Sep 13, 2009 - 7:00 pm 42. Marie Claude:

Melle Grace, you should know that Robespierre beheaded the king, and thus it wasn’t possible anymore to sit on whatever sides of his throne

though as you kindly ask me where was sitting Robespierre, at the extreme corner of the left !

Socialism itself goes back to Henry Saint Simon, an Aristocrat from the French Revolution who attempted to put together a “Scientific Society” sound familiar?

“the “communist” tradition of the Revolution incarnated by Babeuf and the revolutionary elite of the “conspiracy of equals,” who had plotted to overthrow the Directory and replace it with a materialist utopia in which all property would be held collectively under a regime of literal equality.”

http://www.ohio.edu/chastain/ac/babouvis.htm

BTW St Simon was rather active in the american war of independance, uh, don’t look further, that’s from whom Obama is inspired ! oh forget it he is a muslim not a catholic like St Simon

Sep 13, 2009 - 7:38 pm 43. goy:

@31. Marie Claude: – Goy, your guy J. Golberg, is the creator of the expression “surrender monkey”, so , I have no desire to read his litterature, which might be as so “partisan”…

Well if that’s what you’ve been led to believe, you’ll be very happy to learn that Goldberg didn’t create that expression.

The phrase “cheese-eatin’ surrender monkeys” was created by the writers of The Simpsons T.V. show, well over ten years ago. And it wasn’t created as a “partisan” expression. Because it was part of our popular culture by 2002, Goldberg used it – as did many other people – in the context of chastising France for stonewalling action by the U.N. against Saddam, in light of their clear conflicts of interest (along with China, Germany and Russia).

Either way, you’d have to actually read Liberal Fascism in order to determine whether it’s “partisan”. I highly recommend you do that. Either way, there’s no support for the notion that nazis and fascists are “right-wing”. It’s a marxist myth.

Sep 13, 2009 - 8:01 pm 44. Marie Claude:

Patriot, you don’t believe me ?

http://www.wilsoncenter.org/index.cfm?event_id=497496&fuseaction=topics.event_summary&topic_id=1409

Sep 13, 2009 - 8:04 pm 45. George S.:

Marie Claude
Georges, I know that there is a confusion on the term wether you are of this side of the pond and yours, but that mostly relies within the differences of interpretation of “liberalism” on this side of the pond, that is considered as promoting “capitalism”, but is “left” in the US.
The term “liberal party” doesn’t exist by our standards, it’s an anglo-saxon label.

liberalism here is left is ANTI-CAPITALISM …and the present president is a marxist or one that does what a marxist does, so if people are happier with the term socialist I don’t care, end result is totalitarian rule. it is human nature after all.

the USA have a unique constitution that was designed to prevent a totalitarian from gaining power …but when congress and the senate conspire with the president to subvert the constitution it doesn’t leave much …wiggle room …if you understand the term.

regards

Sep 13, 2009 - 8:19 pm 46. Anonymous:

I am well aware of Babeuf, he features quite prominently in Marxist history, I however, am not discussing Marxist history but Socialist history. They are not one and the same. Though I have to state that Saint Simon’s name was inscribed on an obelisk in Moscow as one of the founders of the Communist revolution, though Marx himself dismisses him as he dismissed other early “Utopian Socialists” as Marx termed them. Saint Simon spent a whooping two months in America, somehow I don’t consider that “rather active in the American War of Independence”. He was belatedly elected into the Society of the Cincinatti, which smacks of whoops let’s not forget this guy. His cousin on the other hand contributed much more.
He may have been a born Catholic, but he urged the formation of a “New Christianity” with the veneer of Roman Catholicism. He certainly wasn’t a fan of Luther, but nor was any kind of Orthodox Catholic either.
Obama is not inspired by the American War of Independence, nor American founders, any more so than Herbert Croly was. He worships at the altar of Positivism as much as Croly did. And you can draw a straight line from Saint-Simon to Auguste Comte’s positivism to Herbert Croly’s progressivism to Obama’s doctrine of today. He is a positivist.

Sep 13, 2009 - 9:54 pm 47. Grace O'Malley:

Sorry, above is mine, just somehow lost my name

Sep 13, 2009 - 11:18 pm 48. Marie Claude:

Goy, I know that that were the Simpsons that popularised the expression, though J. Golberg is famously known for spreading it to further bashings, which BTW only focused on France, while 3 european countries were in the vetoing basket at the UN too (Belgium also was in the lot). This was the result of an underground “war” of influences in EU, France and Germany were on the verge to launch the project of an european army, that that Bush administration condamned to be unborn, as it dragged the eastern new EU republics in its adventure. Probably that Schöder and his partner Putin weighted a lot in this “resisting” decision. If it had been like the rumors said, then France wouldn’t have been of the first Irak “desert storm” trip too, to which, BTW, Germany didn’t take part too, and wasn’t “anathemised” for so !

Events proved that we were wise though, the threats are still there, and, even, jihadists are more organised.

I don’t think his book is available in french.

Sep 14, 2009 - 12:12 am 49. Gary Rosen:

“Strangley, when neonazis join teabagging marches, its no news here.”

That’s a laugh shmoho, you worrying about “neonazis”. One word – Mufti.

Sep 14, 2009 - 1:38 am 50. mo:

Please post this

Neturei Karta Rabbi Al Quds Day London Demo Sept 13 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXfIVKGIEw8

Sep 14, 2009 - 2:23 am 51. A neonazi:

Odd, last time i knew the neo nazis were attactly killing muslims like the ones who beheaded muslims in russia, the rodstock bombing in germany that killed 4 muslims by neonazis

Neonazis hate muslims, there are diffrent factions amongs them and the younger ones consider muslims to be more subhuman the jews.

Sep 14, 2009 - 2:54 am 52. RightwingHippieChick:

It’s not surprising at all — Nazis and ‘Palestinians’ go back a long long way.

See here: http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com

Sep 14, 2009 - 3:55 am 53. Jonathan Nolan:

One thing about Ratzis I will never understand (only one?) is the prefix neo- in front of their name.

Nazi is as Nazi does, they are the same. The original ones made no coherent platform, just gangsterism and the will to power. The new ones are no different, just as confused.

The same sick war drums beat in their heads as in the ones from the 1890s onwards.

What is troubling and often ignored is the massive overlap with the New Age movement, just as the first (modern) time around all those pagan cults of death and blood appeared like fungi after rain and then came the politics. This time we have “goddess” this and “ostara” that- and not Pan-Germanism this time but instead Pan-Europeanism. But underneath- the same.

If white europeans are truly concerned about dying out- have more babies and fewer toys!

Nazism is just sickness.

Sep 14, 2009 - 4:17 am 54. deguello:

52 JONATHAN NOLAN :Isn’t diversity wonderful! As the eurowienies let their counrtries be invaded by radical moslems,these join forces with the neo-nazis, and plot to destroy the welfare state.this is actually both funny and richly deserved.I agree, that Gangsterism ,and the will to power is the essence of Nazism;however,how is that different from the everyday behavior of the modern welfare state?Real democracy in the EU,as well as freedom of expression?association,are being restricted,even as bureaucrats,judges, and unelected international agencies destroy the culture and sovreignty of Europe.Let’s shake this fraud up!

Sep 14, 2009 - 7:47 am 55. deguello:

#20MOHO:There were no nazis at any teabagging parties;the nazis are in the Obama administration,like Dr.Zeke(Mengele) Emmanuel the proponebnt of death panels, and the ACORN brownshirts who want to beat up white voters to intimidate them.

Sep 14, 2009 - 7:50 am 56. Greying Wanderer:

The Bolsheviks murdered millions and got away with it – their crimes are not taught in the schools and their holocaust is not commemorated. The Nazis murdered millions and have become a kind of secular Satan.

This focus on the Nazis has led to a culture obsessed with rave and racism and it’s this guilty obsession with race that undercuts any attempt to defend the western world from the Islamic invasion.

If both were taught then the common link of the terrible dangers of an authoritarian and totalitarian ideology would come to the forefront and provide a framework for the defense against the Islamic invasion.

I appreciate the philosophical arguments about where these ideologies came from – my point is the psychology. While the singular focus on the Nazis exists then the western world is disarmed against the next great totalitarian horror because of the skin colour of those who bring it.

Sep 14, 2009 - 9:20 am 57. George S.:

56. Greyying Wanderer

here is why you don’t get the marxist version of totalitaian world view. they are the ones teaching history. check out the video

don’t feed the trolls ..watch the video below …well worth the ten minutes.

it outlines why the trolls cannot understand reality. they are a lost group.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIFcnctnHsE&feature=related

Sep 14, 2009 - 9:35 am 58. goy:

@48. Marie Claude: – the Simpsons that popularised the expression,…

No, The Simpsons‘ writers actually created the expression. It was popularized later.

- J. Golberg is famously known for spreading …
Along with many others. And appropriately, as it turned out.

- which BTW only focused on France,
Not strictly true. France’s conflicts of interest were only the most troubling.

- This was the result of an underground “war” of influences in EU, France and Germany were on the verge to launch the project of an european army, that that Bush administration condamned to be unborn, as it dragged the eastern new EU republics in its adventure.
Sounds like it was wise to oppose this then.

- Probably that Schöder and his partner Putin weighted a lot in this “resisting” decision.
That makes sense, since there’s not much practical difference between the present-day “EUSSR” and the defunct USSR Putin would like to resurrect.

- If it had been like the rumors said, then France wouldn’t have been of the first Irak “desert storm” trip too,
Not strictly true, since Saddam was never pursued into Iraq itself during Desert Storm. The military goals, and the justifications for them, were completely different, so it’s not a valid comparison.

- Germany didn’t take part too, and wasn’t “anathemised” for so !
Sure they were. Just not as vocally. To understand, you have to see this from the residual effect of WWII here in the States. France has been an ally throughout the U.S.’ entire history. Germany, not so much. For the French leadership to balk at what was the U.N.’s clear duty was a betrayal of over 200 years of alliance. Germany? Well, we’ve learned to expect that sort of duplicity from them, so the rebuke wasn’t as vocal.

- Events proved that we were wise though, the threats are still there, and, even, jihadists are more organised.
This isn’t actually supported by the facts on the ground. Al Qaeda was decimated and defeated in Iraq. Have they been completely eradicated? No one would make such a claim. But there’s no evidence they’re “more organized” there. All that aside, as long as Radical Islam’s War Against the Rest of the World continues, muslims will continue to threaten the lives of other muslims in the Middle East.

- I don’t think his book is available in french.
Pity. I think you’re one of the few folks I see on line who would really appreciate it.

Sep 14, 2009 - 9:52 am 59. Ruvy:

I cannot believe how you guys will contort your arguments just so that you can find a way to call Nazis leftists! Your posts and the reasoning in them look like the pretzels sold in subway stations and candy stores! To me, the issue isn’t even worth arguing over.

Nazis had nothing to do with “leftists” and they had nothing to do with “rightists”. They were racists, pure and simple, and all the rest of their philosophy was designed to promote the good fortune and good future of the race they espoused and considered themselves to be, the Aryan race.

Whether there is such an animal as an “Aryan race” is irrelevant here. The Nazis, and the racial theorists they got their ideas from, Austrians who were insecure about the status of Germans in the Crownlands of the Austrian half of Austria-Hungary, all assumed that there was such a race, and eventually after much searching, it was decided that this race was descended from the Tibetans. It was a Nazi who took it upon himself to educate the man who is now called “Dalai Lama”, who was thrown out by the Commie Chinese when they annexed Tibet to Red China.

What is so precious about the right wing of the political chicken anyway? Is it farther away from the chicken’s cloaca? Feh!

Sep 14, 2009 - 10:46 am 60. goy:

@59. Ruvy: – To me, the issue isn’t even worth arguing over.

Yet here you are posting nonsense.

Nazis had nothing to do with “leftists”…
Read a book.

Socialism = leftist ideology.

“Nazi” = Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei / national socialism = leftist ideology.

It’s not that hard, really, and doesn’t require any contortion at all.

Both Mussolini and Hitler used forms of xenophobia to whip up the mob and promote their brand of leftist ideology: national socialism. Where they used race-baiting xenophobia, people like Che and Obama have used class-baiting exhortations to “Change”.

- What is so precious about the right wing of the political chicken…

Nothing. The polar opposite of left-wing totalitarianism is right-wing anarchy. The important thing is to realize that communism and fascism are both forms of socialism – i.e., leftist, totalitarian ideology – and that the Republican form of Government guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution is centrist, founded on self-government by the People.

Sep 14, 2009 - 11:10 am 61. Marie Claude:

“Al Qaeda was decimated and defeated in Iraq”

There was no AQ in Irak, they came into her after the fall of the regime, via Balkans muslim fighters and Iran

“The military goals, and the justifications for them, were completely different”

Of course, the first war had an objective goal, Saddam had invaded a proxy neighbour, while for the second, it was a lazy choice, which was quickly decided to impress the minds, that no country that attacked the US would remain unpunished, IRAN and Afghanistan should have been the priority, and they are still taunting us.

” For the French leadership to balk at what was the U.N.’s clear duty was a betrayal of over 200 years of alliance”

Not quite, people in the offices knew that about 3 months before the UN clash, this is why were forged rumors, to empech the french Veto.
But a frog remains a frog, you can’t obliged us to make something if we had decided it wasn’t the right thing to do.

But you got the creme of the creme with De Villepin, kinda like the bard that annoys the whole gallic camp in Asterix cartoon !

Sep 14, 2009 - 11:17 am 62. goy:

@61. Marie Claude: – There was no AQ in Irak, they came into her after the fall of the regime,…

There’s not much hard evidence to support any assertions on what was going on before Saddam’s ouster. The only important fact is that al Qaeda was decimated and defeated – in Iraq. That was the hill they chose to die on, and they did – despite the Democrats’, the international media’s and the U.N.’s efforts to make them victorious over Coalition forces.

- Of course, the first war had an objective goal, Saddam had invaded a proxy neighbour, while for the second, it was a lazy choice, …
Lazy… as in the U.N. being too lazy to enforce its sanctions, yes.

Realize that none of the countries you mentioned attacked the U.S. That’s part of understanding the so-called “Bush Doctrine” and the American response to Radical Islam’s War Against the Rest of the World. That response was overwhelmingly supported here after 9/11. It was an effort to eradicated islamist terrorist elements and rogue regimes – like Saddam’s – which funded and supported them. Hillary said it best.

As for Iran and Afghanistan, if they’re taunting anyone it’s because the U.N. – once again – has refused to enforce its resolutions and do its job, and the UNSC members refuse to take responsibility for ending Radical Islam’s reign of terror. Like the welfare recipients here in the U.S. who whine about “the rich” who pay all the taxes, the idle countries chastise those who act, trying to make themselves out to be morally superior. It’s not working.

- Not quite, people in the offices knew that about 3 months before the UN clash, this is why were forged rumors, to empech the french Veto.
Sorry, can’t make out what you’re saying here. Is this a new conspiracy you’re alleging?

And yes, I kept having to remind myself that “Dominique” was a man.

Sep 14, 2009 - 12:29 pm 63. George S:

62. goy:

@61. Marie Claude: – There was no AQ in Irak, they came into her after the fall of the regime,…

There’s not much hard evidence to support any assertions on what was going on before Saddam’s ouster. The only important fact is that al Qaeda was decimated and defeated – in Iraq. That was the hill they chose to die on, and they did – despite the Democrats’, the international media’s and the U.N.’s efforts to make them victorious over Coalition forces.

al qaeda may not have had any influence in iraq of Saddam, and would not if there was support for the US troops. but when the congress started to attack Bush and other western countries shied away from the US al qaeda entered the vacuum (it is complicated and there were many failures millitary and civilian but the dissent and anti-Bush sentiment did aid the enemy) ..if not there then somewhere else. it is a mute point.

also the world seems to forget that it wasn’t “free” to keep Saddam in the “box” and there was no end in sight other then war or abandon the whole iraq since the UN would do nothing but make back room deals with Saddam.

Sep 14, 2009 - 1:09 pm 64. Marie Claude:

“Is this a new conspiracy you’re alleging?”

don’t try to drown the fish, just look at your favorite blogs and medias

Sep 14, 2009 - 1:19 pm 65. Ruvy:

Goy,

I see you have managed to put the cart before the horse in attempts to stick Nazis and Fascists on the left. This is nonsense because it distorts reality in both cases. And of course, putting the cart before the horse gets the cart nowhere – which is where your argument goes.

The Nazis did not use racism or xenophobia – they were all about racism, xenophobia, and the superiority of the Aryan race! They used Mussolini’s corporatist methods to run a state because it was convenient to do, and because it wasn’t communism – and they did it better than Mussolini did, building a prosperous country in a few short years.

Mussolini started as a socialist – and broke with them because he was an Italian nationalist who wanted to see the expansion of the Kingdom of Italy to include all Italian speakers, and eventually as much of the Mediterranean coastal lands as he could grab in resurrecting a Roman Empire. This was very different from the Socialists, who wanted to avoid fighting in WWI unless they could use it to overthrow the states and introduce their revolutionary societies in a world revolution. They attempted just this in the chaos that hit post-war Germany and Hungary, and succeeded in the Russian Empire.

Having cut himself off from socialists, and having become disgusted with the way the Italian state functioned after 1918, Mussolini developed alliances with Italian business leaders and developed the corporatist concepts where the state would dictate how capitalism would work – the very same concepts that Obama is using today in the States – Fascism.

The six men that Hitler spied on for the German Army in 1919, and then joined himself – the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei – were racists to begin with and adopted the title they did – National Socialist German Workers Party – because they were working men. If they had been professional men, they would have used an entirely different title, and the term “Nazi” would never have come to be.

Sep 14, 2009 - 1:50 pm 66. Poor Citizen:

To number 6 (Jack)…..

…A Ninny?… now that really hurt….and

Thanks for the effort…I made my kids read it..

but they laughed and said I was still old and boring.

All the best.

Sep 14, 2009 - 2:33 pm 67. goy:

@63. George S: – al qaeda may not have had any influence in iraq of Saddam, and would not if there was support for the US troops.
Like I said, there’s not much hard evidence available regarding what al Qaeda was or was not doing in Iraq prior to Saddam’s ouster. What would have happened without that ouster is completely open to speculation. Saddam could have died, been assassinated, made friends with them (like he did with the Palestinian suicide bombers), etc.

-… but when the congress started to attack Bush and other western countries shied away from the US al qaeda entered the vacuum (it is complicated and there were many failures millitary and civilian but the dissent and anti-Bush sentiment did aid the enemy) ..if not there then somewhere else. it is a mute point.

Moot point. And I have to disagree. It wasn’t the lack of support for the troops that spurred al Qaeda to move in. They rushed into Iraq just as soon as Saddam’s infrastructure was dismantled. They built strength while other insurgencies were already active. None of that was contingent on support for the troops or lack thereof. The fact that they kept on fighting long after it was obvious they’d never drive out Coalition forces was due largely to the unabashed support the media provided for al Qaeda, however – that much I’ll agree with.

The real problem with the Iraq conflict was the Clinton administration’s legacy of dealing with terrorists as criminals rather than military belligerents in their own right. That’s no one’s “fault”, per se, it’s just another example of the fact that few commanders get any war “right” the first time. Once Saddam was defeated, Coalition forces immediately went into “reconstruction” mode under a bureaucracy headed up by a civilian (Bremer) instead of remaining in active combat mode under a military commander like David Petraeus. The reason for this was that the terrorist faction was considered a law enforcement problem, not a genuine military problem. Commanders on the ground knew better, but Washington – still being advised based on the residual “intelligence” that opened us up to 9/11 – did not. So that hesitation period between the “Mission Accomplished” event on the U.S.S. Lincoln and The Surge provided an opening for al Qaeda – and most of the EU, as well as the media were all too eager to help them, at least in terms of moral support.

.

@64. Marie Claude: – just look at your favorite blogs and medias

Sorry MC – I’m genuinely unfamiliar with what you’re referring to here. So I wouldn’t know where to start or what to look for.

.

@65. Ruvy: – you have managed to put the cart before the horse…

This isn’t about carts or horses. It’s about practical similarities in ideology. In that context, Nazis and fascists ARE on the left. Whether they “used” xenophobia and militarism or they were “all about” xenophobia and militarism is irrelevant.

The facts are these: socialism and its derivatives – fascism, nazism and communism – all require some level of totalitarian control over the population in order to enforce their bogus, unnatural, socially suicidal policies. In all of these cases, the State is virtually all-powerful, which goes against human nature and the human being’s innate desire for liberty. This totalitarian aspect is the common denominator that makes all of these ideologies leftist.

As recommended above, just read Jonah Goldberg’s book – the link is up there. He presents an irrefutable case that I’m not going to repeat here in its entirety. You’re welcome to read it, or not. Entirely up to you. Either way, knowing what I now know from the references provided in Goldberg’s book, I don’t find your argument persuasive at all.

Sep 14, 2009 - 2:53 pm 68. George S.:

goy

I wasn’t really reffering to troop support but support for the invasion itself. they way it turned out there was quite a vacuum and no real plan to stablise the Iraq nation. thus easy pickings for al Qaeda.

maybe it is a moot point but witout widespread (national, inside the USA and international) support the post millitary objective could not be met. nesecatating te surge ..again a millitary chore. I do feel that it will be again a big problem after the US leaves Iraq.

Sep 14, 2009 - 3:17 pm 69. Marina:

MR. ROSENTHAL, please don’t forget the THIRD PARTY – “Die Linke” i.e. “THE LEFT” – Ex-GDR COMMUNISTS, that has taken part in this demonstration TOGETHER WITH THE NAZIS (although they pretend being hostile to each other the rest of the year, in Germany). But when we come to the Israel trashing, we suddenly can get along: Nazi and Commi, Muslims and Atheists, “Immigrants” and Anti-Immigrants. What a “brave new world”, oh, no, it’s the Old one, sorry.

Anyway, the link:

“DVU und Linke mit Moslems gegen Juden” (“DVU and Left with Muslims against Jews”). DVU is the “Deutsche Volksunion” – one of the 3 main Neo-Nazi parties presently active in Germany.

http://www.pi-news.net/2009/09/dvu-und-linke-mit-moslems-gegen-juden

Sep 14, 2009 - 4:39 pm 70. Ruvy:

The facts are these: socialism and its derivatives – fascism, nazism and communism – all require some level of totalitarian control. You are displaying, if you will excuse the expression, a goyisher kup – in this instance, a refusal to recognize reality.

Say what you want about Fascism or Communism. Nazism was a racist philosophy at its base and had nothing to do with the other two totalitarian ‘isms’, Communism or Fascism.

Nazism was based in the insecurities of Austrian Germans who found themselves a minority even in the Crown Lands of Austria in Austria-Hungary after 1867, and who developed a theory of racial superiory of “Aryans” over the world. This was their way of coping with the rising nationalism of the Poles, Slovenes, Croats, and their htred of Jews who seemed to pollute “their” Vienna.

By contrast, Communism and Fascism were both utilitarian philosophies to provide solutions to problems of state and economic stability (Fascism) or distribution of wealth (Communism). Neither required any racial or national characteristics, though Mussolini’s goals for his corporatist ideas was the resurrection of the Roman Empire. Eventually, under pressure from Hitler, Mussolini did write in anti-Jewish laws in Italy, but for a long time there were many Jewish Fascists in Italy.

However, the ideas that finally led to Nazism were racial in nature. Jews were the “Gegenrasse” the representatives of evil who had to be exterminated for the sake of purifying the world. Gypsies (Roma)were born criminals who had to be killed off for the security of the new country of Aryans, and homosexuals, retards and others were defectives to be eliminated, again for the sake of the purity of the race. None of this had to do with socialism or any other of the secular ‘isms’ that sought to redistribute wealth or guarantee the security of the state and the capitalist systems of economic organization. As I told you, Hitler used Mussolini’s methods of economic governance as a model because they did not look like communism, but guaranteed him control of the capital in the Germany he sought to build.

So what does this have to do with the article at hand? The Arabs who admired (and who still admire) Hitler have now been joined by the so-called “left” in Germany, as well as the Nazis themselves, who are now openly aligning themselves with their admirers. But this will not last.

The racial aspects of the Nazi mentality, a mentality which has never left either Germany or Austria, will reassert themselves when these Nazis realize that they are aligning themselves with the rapists of Aryan women. And they will turn on the Moslems in Europe just as others are turning on them elsewhere in Europe. That is what the future holds – for Moslems in Europe in particular – death and blood in the streets.

Sep 15, 2009 - 3:07 am 71. goy:

Ruvy, if you’d actually go read the history instead of mindlessly repeating the same propaganda marxists have been peddling for decades in an effort to distance Nazi ideology from theirs, you’d understand that the reality you’re choosing to see is only a PART of the whole reality. And ad hominem retorts won’t change that. Your comments are unpersuasive. Read Goldberg’s book.

Sep 15, 2009 - 7:48 am 72. Ruvy:

Goy,

I do not waste my time reading Marxist propaganda: I read the The Occult Roots of Nazism: Secret Aryan Cults and Their Influence on Nazi Ideology by Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke. The conclusions of the author are the points you see me raising here.

I’ll tell you this much. Goodrick-Clarke is no Marxist. Indeed he almost seems to root for the scum he explains in his book. I suggest you read The Occult Roots of Nazism: Secret Aryan Cults and Their Influence on Nazi Ideology and then come back and argue with me, if you wish.

Sep 15, 2009 - 12:02 pm 73. bibio44:

37. Sadie: “#22 & #26 Find a bridge, get a box, crawl into it – it’s where trolls live.”

And where do you a-holes live, Sadie?

Amazing site, this. Two openly anti-Semitic posts (23 & 27) and nary a peep from the rightist morons. Keep up the good work, Rosenthal, I think you’ve found your audience.

Sep 15, 2009 - 6:36 pm 74. Karl Albert:

Its INCREDIBLE how people dont know about history:
against Capitalism where, in the first place the OLD monarchies (dont have nothing to do with the actual in power). Cant believe èople dont know the total simpathy of the las German Emperor with Islamism, in fact there was the rumour he had converted.
The same with the Habsburgs, Orleans, Bourbons (not the last generarations of the actual, imposed, king (he should not be king).
Then NAZISM continued the same war against Capitalism and Comunism.
I see people dont know Nazi stands for National Socialism and not just a supposed crazy man kicking everyone.
READ, not only revisionism, read the historians of the winners and not only Cosmopolitan and Hollywood gossip!

Sep 29, 2009 - 5:50 pm