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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/news-should-be-neither-fair-nor-balanced/comment-page-1/#comment-79460</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 21:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This misconception that FOX is the only news access right of center is quite humorous. Why are we now almost six years into the war in Iraq finally hearing that, to all of our surprise this war is all about oil? Left or right one could see early on that this was the case but the revenge aspect, the replacing of a tyrant, the finding those weapons of mass destruction that our President Bush couldn&#039;t seem to find under the desk in his office ha ha, all masked what we all really knew down deep. This war was all about oil and pretty much nothing else. The war in Afghanistan is also about oil and the pipeline which the administration tried to pay, none other than the Taliban, to allow us to put it accross their country. There is no left in the news. It is center at best and by the time Walter Cronkite pronounced we had lost Vietnan, we had already lost Vietnam. Not really as brave and as daring as he is given credit for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This misconception that FOX is the only news access right of center is quite humorous. Why are we now almost six years into the war in Iraq finally hearing that, to all of our surprise this war is all about oil? Left or right one could see early on that this was the case but the revenge aspect, the replacing of a tyrant, the finding those weapons of mass destruction that our President Bush couldn&#8217;t seem to find under the desk in his office ha ha, all masked what we all really knew down deep. This war was all about oil and pretty much nothing else. The war in Afghanistan is also about oil and the pipeline which the administration tried to pay, none other than the Taliban, to allow us to put it accross their country. There is no left in the news. It is center at best and by the time Walter Cronkite pronounced we had lost Vietnan, we had already lost Vietnam. Not really as brave and as daring as he is given credit for.</p>
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		<title>By: George Colony</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Colony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 19:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A large set of people in society require facts to make judgments about politicians, personal health decisions, buying decisions, how they will build their world view. When news becomes purely subjective, it loses value for this community.

While Fox and The Daily Show and their ilk will always be popular, they do not satisfy the public&#039;s thirst for an accurate and unbiased accounting of the facts. And that public will not have time in the future to triangulate hundreds of bloggers to arrive at, &quot;...what really happened.&quot;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A large set of people in society require facts to make judgments about politicians, personal health decisions, buying decisions, how they will build their world view. When news becomes purely subjective, it loses value for this community.</p>
<p>While Fox and The Daily Show and their ilk will always be popular, they do not satisfy the public&#8217;s thirst for an accurate and unbiased accounting of the facts. And that public will not have time in the future to triangulate hundreds of bloggers to arrive at, &#8220;&#8230;what really happened.&#8221;</p>
<p>George Colony</p>
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		<title>By: conservatism_IS_compassion</title>
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		<dc:creator>conservatism_IS_compassion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 23:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SB: “I believe that news and opinion are inseparable.”

Ed Wallis:&quot;This opinion was also shared by Goebbels, if I am not mistaken.&quot;

I propose a definition of &quot;subjectivity&quot; - it is the belief in one&#039;s own objectivity.  That is, the moment you claim to be objective is when you fail to discount what you &lt;I&gt;want&lt;/I&gt; to believe in you evaluation of what is true.  

Thus, if I make a good-faith attempt at objectivity the very first thing I will consider is that I &lt;I&gt;want&lt;/I&gt; to believe that the Constitution is a superb framework as it was designed, and that the amendments to it are, for the most part, good.  If there is evidence to the contrary, I have some obligation to give it a serious hearing.  Until and unless I learn that the person putting forth the evidence is not doing so in good faith.  

There is IMHO a difference between Goebbels&#039;s attitude that Goebbels has a right to his own facts, and Steve&#039;s point that opinion precedes the choice of facts which you, or I, or Goebbels or Steve, elect to discuss.  That is not a justification for making things up, to the contrary it is the admission that the facts I choose to present to buttress my argument are not the only facts in all of history. Being willing to admit the possibility that other facts than those I selected could have bearing on the issue at hand is humility.  Making up &quot;facts&quot; to suit the argument of the moment is arrogance.

Claiming to be wise, and arguing from that assumption, is sophistry.  Refusing to claim to be wise, but only claiming to love wisdom (and thus to be willing to listen to facts and logic as propounded by others) is philosophy.  IMHO there is not a dime&#039;s worth of difference between arguing from the assumption of your own wisdom and arguing from the assumption of your own objectivity.  
Journalists have a financial/business reason to &lt;I&gt;interest the public,&lt;/I&gt; but interesting the public is not identically the same as &lt;I&gt;the public interest&lt;/I&gt;.  The public is interested in learning the government&#039;s secrets - but the public interest may be very ill-served by the disclosure of our military&#039;s plans and activities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SB: “I believe that news and opinion are inseparable.”</p>
<p>Ed Wallis:&#8221;This opinion was also shared by Goebbels, if I am not mistaken.&#8221;</p>
<p>I propose a definition of &#8220;subjectivity&#8221; &#8211; it is the belief in one&#8217;s own objectivity.  That is, the moment you claim to be objective is when you fail to discount what you <i>want</i> to believe in you evaluation of what is true.  </p>
<p>Thus, if I make a good-faith attempt at objectivity the very first thing I will consider is that I <i>want</i> to believe that the Constitution is a superb framework as it was designed, and that the amendments to it are, for the most part, good.  If there is evidence to the contrary, I have some obligation to give it a serious hearing.  Until and unless I learn that the person putting forth the evidence is not doing so in good faith.  </p>
<p>There is IMHO a difference between Goebbels&#8217;s attitude that Goebbels has a right to his own facts, and Steve&#8217;s point that opinion precedes the choice of facts which you, or I, or Goebbels or Steve, elect to discuss.  That is not a justification for making things up, to the contrary it is the admission that the facts I choose to present to buttress my argument are not the only facts in all of history. Being willing to admit the possibility that other facts than those I selected could have bearing on the issue at hand is humility.  Making up &#8220;facts&#8221; to suit the argument of the moment is arrogance.</p>
<p>Claiming to be wise, and arguing from that assumption, is sophistry.  Refusing to claim to be wise, but only claiming to love wisdom (and thus to be willing to listen to facts and logic as propounded by others) is philosophy.  IMHO there is not a dime&#8217;s worth of difference between arguing from the assumption of your own wisdom and arguing from the assumption of your own objectivity.<br />
Journalists have a financial/business reason to <i>interest the public,</i> but interesting the public is not identically the same as <i>the public interest</i>.  The public is interested in learning the government&#8217;s secrets &#8211; but the public interest may be very ill-served by the disclosure of our military&#8217;s plans and activities.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 15:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even as Fox&#039;s mantra was probably meant to tweak the MSM about its political bias, it works just as well as a method for promoting product quality. Even in a new world where journalistic bias is out in the open, don&#039;t we expect at least a modicum of &quot;fairness&quot;, and isn&#039;t it the case that offering the counter argument is a good way to convince readers/viewers that your position is superior? 
Right leaning Fox may not be shy about choosing its subject matter in a way that promotes its political agenda, but I find their news superior because they tend not to ambush guests and they certainly give more time to opposing views than do their competitors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even as Fox&#8217;s mantra was probably meant to tweak the MSM about its political bias, it works just as well as a method for promoting product quality. Even in a new world where journalistic bias is out in the open, don&#8217;t we expect at least a modicum of &#8220;fairness&#8221;, and isn&#8217;t it the case that offering the counter argument is a good way to convince readers/viewers that your position is superior?<br />
Right leaning Fox may not be shy about choosing its subject matter in a way that promotes its political agenda, but I find their news superior because they tend not to ambush guests and they certainly give more time to opposing views than do their competitors.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good article. I only watch Fox news and yes I enjoy watching the right beat up on the left in the idea department, it&#039;s a refreshing change frome the liberal media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good article. I only watch Fox news and yes I enjoy watching the right beat up on the left in the idea department, it&#8217;s a refreshing change frome the liberal media.</p>
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		<title>By: OLDPUPPYMAX</title>
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		<dc:creator>OLDPUPPYMAX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 15:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing wrong with it. As long as the media outlet does not improperly represent itself as a nonbiased source of facts and truth when its agenda leaps from the page or screen. If you are pro left, state it in no uncertain terms and have at it. It is conning the ignorant which is dangerous to the American people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing wrong with it. As long as the media outlet does not improperly represent itself as a nonbiased source of facts and truth when its agenda leaps from the page or screen. If you are pro left, state it in no uncertain terms and have at it. It is conning the ignorant which is dangerous to the American people.</p>
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		<title>By: tanstaafl</title>
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		<dc:creator>tanstaafl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For most of my life, the standard of ethics in reporting &quot;the news&quot; dictated that personal opinions and agendas be kept out in the telling of the story. 

Even the (today) highly vociferous and hugely opinionated Walter Cronkite held to that standard when he delivered his nightly report.  All of his cronies in the business did, as well.

One of the reasons network news, newspapers (and to some extent, news magazines) are declining is that that standard has been thrown in the trash. The ways you can influence &quot;the news&quot; are myriad and subtle and go way beyond the simple writing itself.  The choice of which stories see the light of day, the choice of wording in the headlines...on and on.

As a J-school grad today, you probably would not even be hired on if you lacked the appropriate political leanings and beliefs. Unless, of course, you were hired as the &quot;token&quot; for the other side.   

Some newspapers have gone so far as to actively promote a single political candidate in the current election cycle.  

Then there are the writers &quot;making up&quot; the news whose writing gets into respectable (or reasonably respectable) publications. Jayson Blair at the NYTimes, Scott Beauchamp at TNR.  Such cases make it hard to believe anything one sees in print, anywhere.   

So much for the fruits of agendized reportage.

Fox News&#039; insistence on &quot;fair and balanced&quot; gets a little tedious.  If the fairness and the balance are there, &quot;people&quot; will notice without it having to be constantly emphasized and touted.  

While the 24 hour news cycle has helped turn &quot;politics&quot; into a sideshow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For most of my life, the standard of ethics in reporting &#8220;the news&#8221; dictated that personal opinions and agendas be kept out in the telling of the story. </p>
<p>Even the (today) highly vociferous and hugely opinionated Walter Cronkite held to that standard when he delivered his nightly report.  All of his cronies in the business did, as well.</p>
<p>One of the reasons network news, newspapers (and to some extent, news magazines) are declining is that that standard has been thrown in the trash. The ways you can influence &#8220;the news&#8221; are myriad and subtle and go way beyond the simple writing itself.  The choice of which stories see the light of day, the choice of wording in the headlines&#8230;on and on.</p>
<p>As a J-school grad today, you probably would not even be hired on if you lacked the appropriate political leanings and beliefs. Unless, of course, you were hired as the &#8220;token&#8221; for the other side.   </p>
<p>Some newspapers have gone so far as to actively promote a single political candidate in the current election cycle.  </p>
<p>Then there are the writers &#8220;making up&#8221; the news whose writing gets into respectable (or reasonably respectable) publications. Jayson Blair at the NYTimes, Scott Beauchamp at TNR.  Such cases make it hard to believe anything one sees in print, anywhere.   </p>
<p>So much for the fruits of agendized reportage.</p>
<p>Fox News&#8217; insistence on &#8220;fair and balanced&#8221; gets a little tedious.  If the fairness and the balance are there, &#8220;people&#8221; will notice without it having to be constantly emphasized and touted.  </p>
<p>While the 24 hour news cycle has helped turn &#8220;politics&#8221; into a sideshow.</p>
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		<title>By: Al</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 04:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ethics and journalism reminded me of several gems. This is one.

New York Daily News - http://www.nydailynews.com 

Caught cheatin&#039; ... on ethics test 

BY JIMMY VIELKIND and LEO STANDORA
DAILY NEWS WRITERS 
Friday, December 1st, 2006 

Columbia University officials are lowering the boom on some graduate journalism students suspected of cheating on, of all things, an ethics exam.

The J-schoolers&#039; alleged lapse on the final was reported yesterday by Radar Online.

The exam in question consisted of two essay questions to be completed in 90 minutes any time during a 36-hour period.

Students who took the test early were instructed to avoid discussing the questions with those planning to take it later, but the warning was ignored.

One honorable young scholar got wind of what happened and blew the whistle, sources said.

Vice Dean David Klatell told students in an e-mail that there had been a &quot;serious problem&quot; with the final and ordered them to attend a special session of the class &quot;Critical Issues in Journalism&quot; today - or fail.

The order applies only to the Friday morning section. The evening section is exempt. 

It was unclear how many students could be affected.

The course, which includes such issues as &quot;Why be Ethical?&quot; and &quot;Tribal Loyalty vs. Journalistic Obligation,&quot; is taught by New York Times columnist Samuel G. Freedman, who could not be reached yesterday. 

One source said of the special session, &quot;It&#039;s an &#039;Out yourself or you&#039;ll all have to suffer&#039; situation.&quot;

A Columbia spokesman confirmed Klatell had fired off the e-mail, but did not release details about the &quot;problem.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ethics and journalism reminded me of several gems. This is one.</p>
<p>New York Daily News &#8211; <a href="http://www.nydailynews.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.nydailynews.com</a> </p>
<p>Caught cheatin&#8217; &#8230; on ethics test </p>
<p>BY JIMMY VIELKIND and LEO STANDORA<br />
DAILY NEWS WRITERS<br />
Friday, December 1st, 2006 </p>
<p>Columbia University officials are lowering the boom on some graduate journalism students suspected of cheating on, of all things, an ethics exam.</p>
<p>The J-schoolers&#8217; alleged lapse on the final was reported yesterday by Radar Online.</p>
<p>The exam in question consisted of two essay questions to be completed in 90 minutes any time during a 36-hour period.</p>
<p>Students who took the test early were instructed to avoid discussing the questions with those planning to take it later, but the warning was ignored.</p>
<p>One honorable young scholar got wind of what happened and blew the whistle, sources said.</p>
<p>Vice Dean David Klatell told students in an e-mail that there had been a &#8220;serious problem&#8221; with the final and ordered them to attend a special session of the class &#8220;Critical Issues in Journalism&#8221; today &#8211; or fail.</p>
<p>The order applies only to the Friday morning section. The evening section is exempt. </p>
<p>It was unclear how many students could be affected.</p>
<p>The course, which includes such issues as &#8220;Why be Ethical?&#8221; and &#8220;Tribal Loyalty vs. Journalistic Obligation,&#8221; is taught by New York Times columnist Samuel G. Freedman, who could not be reached yesterday. </p>
<p>One source said of the special session, &#8220;It&#8217;s an &#8216;Out yourself or you&#8217;ll all have to suffer&#8217; situation.&#8221;</p>
<p>A Columbia spokesman confirmed Klatell had fired off the e-mail, but did not release details about the &#8220;problem.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Rubicon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rubicon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 13:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the problems many have, is that it now appears the &quot;news&quot; industry, has become a &quot;generator&quot; of news, not a reporter of it.
When news organization create photo&#039;s or stories that fit an agenda, then they are not news organizations, they are propaganda factories intent on selling something.
Fox leans right. However, they compete w/ ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, NPR, CPB, PBS, NYT, &amp; a multitude of others.
So, trying to vilify Fox by claiming all news is unfair, is the pot calling the kettle black, again.
If news is to be delivered based on opinion, then news organizations should be required to admit at the top, they are presenting a story with opinion they subscribe to. At this time, they present news as though these facts are the only facts, that they are true beyond any doubt, and that there is no other position to report, unless its for them to denigrate those who have other opinions.
If &quot;Fair &amp; Balanced is not what the people want, how does one account for the huge viewership of Fox? In addition, why are so many seeking information from the Internet, rather than relying on the old establishment mainstream media?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the problems many have, is that it now appears the &#8220;news&#8221; industry, has become a &#8220;generator&#8221; of news, not a reporter of it.<br />
When news organization create photo&#8217;s or stories that fit an agenda, then they are not news organizations, they are propaganda factories intent on selling something.<br />
Fox leans right. However, they compete w/ ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, NPR, CPB, PBS, NYT, &amp; a multitude of others.<br />
So, trying to vilify Fox by claiming all news is unfair, is the pot calling the kettle black, again.<br />
If news is to be delivered based on opinion, then news organizations should be required to admit at the top, they are presenting a story with opinion they subscribe to. At this time, they present news as though these facts are the only facts, that they are true beyond any doubt, and that there is no other position to report, unless its for them to denigrate those who have other opinions.<br />
If &#8220;Fair &amp; Balanced is not what the people want, how does one account for the huge viewership of Fox? In addition, why are so many seeking information from the Internet, rather than relying on the old establishment mainstream media?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Boriss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Boriss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OmegaPaladin,
Yes, there are facts.  But there are an infinite number of them.  The very selection of them by news outlets reveals what they believe to be newsworthy.  That is an opinion.  Beyond that, as a nation founded on the basis of &quot;consent of the governed,&quot; opinions are actually more important than facts.  Modern journalism&#039;s insistence on the sanctity of facts over opinions runs counter to our founding principles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OmegaPaladin,<br />
Yes, there are facts.  But there are an infinite number of them.  The very selection of them by news outlets reveals what they believe to be newsworthy.  That is an opinion.  Beyond that, as a nation founded on the basis of &#8220;consent of the governed,&#8221; opinions are actually more important than facts.  Modern journalism&#8217;s insistence on the sanctity of facts over opinions runs counter to our founding principles.</p>
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