198 Comments

1. Reformed Trombonist:

Well said! We don’t want to become the very thing we ought to despise.

May 6, 2009 - 2:15 am 2. Typewriter_King:

I don’t think the left’s “strengths” listed are their strategic strengths. The storming speaking stages, tearing down ordinary whistle-blowers, and the like probably does keep some opposition in hiding,

I can’t help but notice in polls, surveys, personal experience and the like, more are willing to identify as conservatives by that label than their opposites. We know that while they’re operationally left-of-center, I experience few in real life that will say anything other than ‘oh, I’m somewhere in the middle, and both sides are screwing us.’ We all here this, even from Jon Stewart when confronted with a guest listing things most publicly agree is wrong with the left. “Well, yeah, but in fairness, both sides…” Tactically withdrawing in person is a must, so it can’t be working for them.

Hawkins was on to something, but aimed at the wrong aspect. We have to go after the arts endowments, the humanities endowments, and the tax-subsidized outreach programs. I plan to submit a grant application for a real conservative studies department. I’m going to hold a literary convention.

I’ll apply with the Nation Endowment for the whatevers repeatedly, until there’s an arts and letters culture on par or better with some of the weirder ones we hear about. We’ll mainstream it, make civic and arts institutions the characters from ‘King of the Hill’ wouldn’t have to cringe from. It will just be, if not doctrinaire conservative, enough baseball and apple pie Americana to make the more spiteful fringe in charge now choke.

Embarrassing “Americana” is our strength. Being unabashed aficionados of Norman Rockwell and John Wayne pastiche, dalmatians on firetrucks, suburbia, historic brick downtown, and the company baseball game on the fourth of July is our heart, our vital center.

Liberty, a republic. Where we live free, talk free, buy and sell, come or go, be drunk and sober, follow the American dream how we want. When we’re arranging the civic wood-chopping competitions, they’ll be the ones sneering from the fringes, and we’ll be with the majority wondering why they’re sneering at all the fun we’re having. Shooting competitions. Western quick-draw games. We’ll be with the with the majority wondering why they aren’t as fun in our wild west role-play as they are ren faire.

We can win in our own skin funding our community, civic, studies programs the same ways they do. And when they see us doing tax-supported things as we advocate lower taxes, our response should be “dude, we’re just having fun here! Why do you have to be such a douche?”

May 6, 2009 - 2:33 am 3. njcommuter:

One thing we must do is learn to disagree in a way that is both civil and effective. This means, among other things, constructing our counterarguments and objections so that we get the unsettling truth in before the person we’re talking to has time to completely tune us out and turn back to the Great Liberal Comfort Dispenser.

Of course, if we do it too well, they’ll learn never to speak to us in the first place.

May 6, 2009 - 2:54 am 4. BPT (Australia):

I find it interesting how you demonize Ann Coulter in order to make your points Adam. You remind me of a liberal who judges people for judging. This is circular. I know she has a broader audience than Joe RINO. The Republicans need more strong women like her. They have enough weak men.

As for opposition research, it is important. Four reasons. One: The mainstream media doesn’t always report on dirty liberals, but they do sometimes. Remember Monicagate? Drudge brought the story into the light, and they reported it. See!

Second: The new media is expanding out and please don’t tell me that Maureen Dowd doesn’t Google her name. She does. People from all walks of life read politically incorrect sites too. Ask yourself: Why did Hillary want to filter the web? People don’t censor views they don’t fear.

Third: Jesus Christ turned tables, and 2,000 years later I think we can safely say that he influenced world culture more than his passive adversaries. History teaches us that the greatest leaders, from Churchill to Thatcher were firebrand conservatives. Now is not the time for effeminate Republicans.

Four: You assume that exposing liberals is not worth the energy. “None of this has mattered to anyone other than conservative activists, and it has not been covered in the press.” Actually, it has been covered in the press. And it even matters to me in Australia, and millions around the world.

May 6, 2009 - 2:57 am 5. David Thomson:

I most certainly have no interest in shouting down left-wing speakers, or trying to find dirt on any MSM journalist. This is terrible advice. Still, John Hawkins’ other recommendations were spot on. We should do everything possible to make it impossible for Bill Ayers to teach in a public university. He is, after all, an intellectually incompetent man. What in heaven’s name does he have to offer students? Center-right activists should boycott companies providing support to Jesse Jackson and other radicals. Why not also complain to a government agency when a TV personality rants about “tea bagging?” This was indeed very inappropriate language. Ann Coulter’s behavior often leaves much to be desired—and causes more harm than good. The same also holds true regarding populist radio personality Michael Savage. There is a line that we dare not cross.

May 6, 2009 - 3:07 am 6. Mark in Texas:

The one tactic that we should copy from the left is to prosecute our political opponents on flimsy criminal charges. It takes up their time and it takes up their money.

Ask Karl Rove how effective he was while he was spending a year or so trying to stay out of jail during the Valerie Plame witch hunt.

May 6, 2009 - 4:38 am 7. pH-DependentNeocon:

Sorry Mr. Graham, but I believe you are incorrect on this issue.

Middle America (politically speaking) doesn’t care about politics (that’s why they can’t choose a side on an issue; they don’t know the issues). They base their opinions, and voting behavior, on what is trendy at the time (If I heard Bill Clinton was cute one more time, I would have puked).

Therefore, we have to make liberalism UN-TRENDY. This shouldn’t be hard from our perspective; we know all of the faults and contradictions of liberalism, and we can see them playing out before our very eyes.

The way you make something un-trendy is to bash it at every opportunity, to the point that those in the middle don’t want to be tainted by association with it.

May 6, 2009 - 4:40 am 8. Ed Wallis:

Don’t agree, Adam.

What’s with your #4 “media bias” rant?!
A la “we tried it once, it didn’t ‘work’, so let’s give up and throw the baby out with the bath water”?!?
Exposing media fraud is effective and necessary.
Effective, as “new media” becomes more “powerful” in light of the (not) slowly (enough) fading MSM.
Necessary, in that, absent resistance, you may as well just throw in the metaphorical “opposition” towel right now.

Perhaps the word *N*A*S*T*Y* is a bit off-putting, but Hawkins was certainly more on target for a successful future for conservatives than you.

May 6, 2009 - 4:59 am 9. Byron Dickens:

Well, maybe conservatives should at least fight back instead just rolling over and playing “bend over and come rape me!”

May 6, 2009 - 4:59 am 10. JHM dba 'Dangerous Inductions':

“Be good, sweet wingnut, and let who will be clever.” [0]

Despite the representations from that other clown in pajamas yesterday, the Party of Goldwater ’n’ Atwater may look even sillier when it starts pretendin’ to be Mr. Nice Guy than when it frankly pulls a Tricky Dick III [1].

Could the two be in it together, playin’ not “Good Cop, Bad Cop” but, as it were, “Sweet Clown, Sour Clown”? Or no, I beg your pardon, “Sour Clown, Sweet Clown” — we decent political fiends are evidently supposed to be terrorised of the MEGOP neocomrades first, and only then consoled . . . .

When does Mr. Specter of PA get his consolation, I wonder? Could it be that America’s Otherparty expects *us* to provide for their waifs and strays, Mr. Bones? [2] Sort of like we get to preside over bailin’ out their _Finanzkapitalismus_ Juggernaut after they ran it smack into a hedge fund and smashed up badly?

But let us be polite, sir, and allow Clarabelle here to get in a word or two edgewise:

[Word A] “Culturally, conservatives are unable to play the same game as liberals, because we do not possess the same mentality.”

[Gloss A] Look at that, Mr. Bones! Clarabelle thinks of ‘mentality’ qualitatively rather than quantitatively. So we learn at the outset that he can’t be really representative of the neocomradely community, the rank and file of whom (1) depise diversities (and despise them LOUD!) plus (2) think of ‘mentality’ in strict obedience to that notorious Herrnstein-Murray Curve™ product of theirs. The H-MC™ has only one uniform brand of ‘mentality’ to distribute, and the only question for “that pig, the individual” [3] is how much mentality she has been allotted.

Your rank-and-file neocomradess thinks that she has gobs and gobs of the mentality stuff — the neokiddies seem to be taught to think so in their wombschools, a sort of fun-house-mirror distortion of Lake Woebegone.

It is axiomatic, almost, that militant extremist Party neocomrades think they are smarter than fiendish donkeys are, whereas we think we are better — in the Mother Teresa sense, “kinder, less uncharitable” — than the wingnutettes and wingnuts. Somebody has got to be mistaken hereabouts, I think, but at the same time there must be something to so popular a set of delusions even if is not exactly something *true*. But we are getting in over Clarabelle’s head, I suspect, sir, and had better limit ourselves to wondering how he expects to please the rest of his pack by announcin’ that they are better at Democrats at doin’ a thing that Democrats are far more likely to want to do in the first place.

[Word B] “I would argue that conservatives have a greater sense of respect for authority, rules of civility, and fundamental order within society.”

[Gloss B] Well, but he does not explain under what circumstances he ‘would’ so argue.

If Sir Clarabelle is prepared to champion that self-servicin’ tripe and baloney on all occasions and against all comers, though, perhaps you and I had better step out of the way, Mr. Bones, and allow the large and noisy Destructive Creationist™ faction of the Big Management Party and the AEIdeology to deal with their own renegade and heretic first. Only if there are enough _membra disjecta_ left to dispute with after the Chicagonomics Kiddies are through with Sir Clarabelle, sir, need you and I intervene to point out all those wonders of respect and civility and Rulalaw that must shed sempiternal lustre upon the annals of the Serene House of Kennebunkport-Crawford . . . .

(( Yes, of course, Mr. Bones, I *do* appreciate that it would be uncomfortable for the neocomrades to conduct street demonstrations against the Wicked Fedguv wearin’ business suits and attaché cases and umbrellas and folded copies of _The Wall Street Jingo_. But what silly objection is this, sir, when we both assisted at that conventicle of Teapea Folk at Boston Harbour on 15 April and saw for ourselves that in fact they do nothin’ of the sort? Beyond their Neocomrade ¡I-Am-Michael-Graham! [4] puttin’ a toilet-bowl cover on his head under pretext of a wig, they looked much the same as less abnormal Homelanders™ look. Unless one read the signs and attended to the barkin’s and bellowin’s, one would not have had a clue that anythin’ the least bit subversive was goin’ on. ))

(Word C) “2) Conservatives don’t like it when conservative activists behave like liberals”

(Gloss C) This is one of Sir Clarabelle’s own bullet points, Mr. Bones, and I must admit to being a tad perplexed by it. We have established by personal experience that their teapeabrains looked indistinguishable from those intellectually respectable demonstrators for the _Boston Globe_ whom we observed a week or ten days later. From the outside there does not seem to be any difference of behaviour worthy of mention.

So perhaps Sir Clarabelle means that teapeabrains should not demonstrate at all? In a way that is a tautology, I suppose: if the holy Homeland™ were still governed by General Hamilton and the Order of Cincinnati, the officer classes would have no occasion to demonstrate, while the other ranks could be kept in their place by occasional reënactments of Shays’ Rebellion. It has never been a secret that that arrangement is (roughly) what America’s Otherparty has always profoundly craved in its private- or secret-sectorian heart. But it has been a very long time since there was any serious chance of them actually gettin’ it.

Implicit in my above reference to the Chicagonomics Kiddies was that the neocomradely community have ceased to agree amongst themselves on the exact identity of the Officer Class. Though literal violence professionals with scrambled eggs on their baseball caps may have been more loyal recently to Boy and Dynasty and Party and Ideology than most other social classes, it would be absurd to pretend that they are in charge of neo-reaction in 2009.

Sir Clarabelle might think less unkindly of street demonstrations if he thought first of orderly parades along _Sieg des Willens_ lines rather than mob scenes. But God knows best! — and anyway, C. takes his ‘behavior’ and runs with in the direction of Neocomradess A. Coulter rather than that of Neocomrade General A. Hamilton. (An “instinct for the capillaries,” that move looks like to me. _Mais que sçay-je_?)

(Word D) “While disrupting speakers and digging up dirt on political non-combatants may work for left-wing groups, the media will call conservatives out on these tactics.”

(Gloss D) _Contigit enim eis illud veri proverbii canis reversus ad suum vomitum et sus lota in volutabro [5] luti_!

“When in doubt, bash the media” can look like bein’ the first, last, and only refuge of Wingnut City and Rio Limbaugh. Though even here neocomradely solidarity may not be quite monolithic. Just the other day, or so it seems, a few of ’em were hollerin’ that the Big Bad Media were gone with the wind, blown away by MurdochNews and the Murdochisated _Jingo_ and above all by a hailstorm of little green goofballs out of WWWonderland. I am really not sure, Mr. Bones, whether their little shepherd laddies who cried “The wolf is dead!” prematurely have reconsidered their position, possibly in light of Tuesday, 4 November 2008, or if this marks yet another permanent schism in the neocomradely ranks. Still, there is no doubt that Sir Clarabelle sides with the majority of teapeabrains on this point.

It must be difficult for genuine quacks to prescribe for the patient whose diseases are mainly hysterical. I’d be willing to give Sir Clarabelle some free amateur advice on overcomin’ his media problem, but what is there to say when I radically cannot take his announced symptoms seriously?

Viewed _ab externo_ through the bars of the monkey house, without the slightest attempt at empathy or sympathy, the Wingnut City Noise Machine seems to be in fine fettle lately. Sir Clarabelle may be so militant an extremist and extreme a militant that he takes all the MEGOP crew’s victories for granted, but lapses into a funk at the slightest set-back. I betcha, Mr. Bones, that poor Clarry has not even noticed that his neocomrades have all but completed their boardin’ and seizin’ of the former _Washington Post_, which now ought to be called, say, “The Washin’ton NeoMoon,” although doubtless it won’t be. (Admittedly, the brave new WaPo continues to be edited at rather a high level, one well over the head of many wombscholars, possibly over poor Clarry’s own.)

(Word E) “Conservatives do need to develop better strategies and find ways to communicate our message, but becoming as nasty as the fringe left simply won’t work.”

(Gloss E) It is always fun to watch the black hearts trip themselves up like that, Mr. Bones! Here comes poor Clarry to lecture the other neoclowns on communicatin’ better, and he makes the elementary boo-boo of stickin’ in that little word ‘fringe’ that pretty well throws all the rest of his own scribble away. If he understood his own business properly, he would double- or weekly-standardise so as to make rudeness and crudeness out ‘fringe’ only when wingnutettes and wingnuts are involved. With democrats and Democrats and l*b*r*l fiends, such misbehaviour is — needless to say! — the very yellow stripe down the center of the main stream, armadillo roadkill included.

Sir Clarabelle does not merely fail to say what there is no need to say, he flat-out contradicts it with a ‘fringe’ that there was not the slightest factional or ideological need to utter.

Tusk, tusk! Subtract at least fifteen points, Mr. Bones!

Happy days.

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[0] http://farm1.static.flickr.com/253/516840435_54464094f1_b.jpg

[1] [D]ogges barke at me, as I halt by them.
Why I (in this weake piping time of Peace)
Haue no delight to passe away the time,
Vnlesse to see my Shadow in the Sunne,
And descant on mine owne Deformity.
And therefore, since I cannot proue a Louer,
To entertaine these faire well spoken dayes,
I am determined to proue a Villaine,
And hate the idle pleasures of these dayes.
Plots haue I laide, Inductions dangerous . . . .

[2] With PA in the vicinity, MEGOP might conceivably be misunderstood by the wombschooled or pajamaclad to refer to (still, but just barely) Neocomradess Senators S. Collins and O. Snowe. The true expansion of the snarconym is, of course, “militant extremist Republican[s]“, singular or plural to fit the context.

If ME- has any separate meaning, it is certainly nothing to do with where their continental liars used to come from, but rather with Master Narcissus Dexter’s favourite object of charity and contemplation and exceptionalism and indispensibility.

[3] M. Jacques Ellul, somewhere in _ Exégèse des nouveaux lieux communs_. (IQFM)

[4] http://www.michaelgraham.com/ (¡¡¡!!!)

[5] _Ep. Petri_ II:22. _volútábrum_ == “a hog pool”

May 6, 2009 - 5:21 am 11. WhyamInotsurprised?:

Dear Pajamas Media,

Re: #10 JHM

I’m all for free speech but doesn’t that inherently mean the speech is understandable English? Someone needs to “screen” nonsense, or maybe institute a policy of limiting the amount of “bits” of gibberish uploaded. This certainly can’t be considered anything close to intelligence.

May 6, 2009 - 6:05 am 12. Fantom:

This is why we lose. No balls and an idiotic desire to “stay above the fray”.

Got news for YA’ bub. We used gas in WW I, just like they did. You sound like the someone saying..”don’t use guns, it would make us just like the NAZI’s”.

Sorry I do not buy that. We need to go after them on all fronts and using all weapons/tactics.

May 6, 2009 - 6:08 am 13. Mary Grabar:

Agreed, Mr. Graham. You got the column out before I could.

Agreed that we should never lower ourselves to the enemy’s level.

But we do need to boil down our message, get it out in a way that the average person understands. That’s what we should learn from Reagan. Study his speeches.

We also need to get into the institutions of academia and the media.

May 6, 2009 - 6:11 am 14. sheesh:

Typewriter King . . .great idea going after the arts . . .wood chopping and quickdraw contests. Anyoe with eyes can see the incredible crowds these events gather. I’d like to suggest a national host for these conservative games, assuming of course that Steve Doocey isn’t available – Truckasaurus!

May 6, 2009 - 6:24 am 15. cedarhill:

Everyone loves going around saying what conservatives should not do and that they must have a plan that will work.

So what is the plan genius?

May 6, 2009 - 6:31 am 16. bbb:

Should the Jews of the 1930s have adopted the tactics of the Nazis? In a word, no. But I fear that conservatives will likely fare no better than did the Jews, because the Fascists have come to power and they are ruthless….

BBB

May 6, 2009 - 6:50 am 17. The Famous Mo:

Sorry, but no. We are the only ones attempting to play by the rules here, and we are getting are clocks cleaned on a regular basis. The problem is, the Dems have made the rules, which is basically just ONE rule: we get to do whatever we want.

Playing dirty? How about just playing to WIN, for a change? The GOP has back-benched the Conservative base, which is the heart and soul of the party, just as the left-wing whack-jobs are the heart and soul of the Dems. But the playing field is anything but level; they have the media carrying their banner for them. To continue with your baseball analogy, the Dems are using corked bats, vaseline balls, and everytime one of our runners heads home, they grab the plate and run to the pitcher’s mound. Meanwhile, our best hitters and runners are delegated to towel gathering and bat-boys.

They sicc their media dogs on anyone who doesn’t toe their line? Then we need to sicc the American people onto the media. Start publishing THEIR names and home addresses. Start picketing THEIR homes and combing through THEIR garbage. They threatened to filibuster our judicial picks, we need to filibuster theirs. They send shills into our party to sabotage our votes, we need to put shills in their party.

The liberal mindset is an avoidance of consequence for action. They want to sleep around with anyone they can find, but don’t want the consequence of pregnancy. Solution: abortion on demand. They want to shove through legislation without allowing anyone to read it. Solution: invent a crisis and have the media chicken-little it to the public.

We can not hope to win as long as we allow the Dems to run the game. The argument that if we adopt the methods of our enemies, we become no better is a strawman. The simple fact that we are actually concerned about such a thing shows that we are NOT like our enemies. We actually have a moral compass and a sense of ethics. And we will feel like utter crap for having to fight dirty. But guess what? We SHOULD feel bad for it, and after the fight is done, that horrid feeling will encourage us to make sure we never let it happen again.

The GOP is to blame for the Dem’s rise to power. The GOP started acting like Dems (and weren’t we JUST told that we SHOULDN’T act like Dems??), moving to the left, spending like idiots, refusing to use common sense, refusing to listen to the people who elected them, and allowing Bush and his ridiculous “compassionate conservatism” to edge us ever closer to socialism. We allowed the useless moderates to hijack the party. And what good has it done? Election after election lost to Democrat thuggery, giving fraudsters like ACORN a pass without even a meager attempt to question them, allowing scum like Franken to rape our election process, choosing John Freaking McCain as our front-runner?

No, we need to play hard and dirty. It’s far too late to try and play nice, and playing nice with Dems only encourages them to more and more heinous acts. Cowboy up and grow a pair.

May 6, 2009 - 6:50 am 18. Joe Bison:

The difference between conservatives and
liberals in America is the difference between
the American and French Revolutions.

The liberals believe in rights as long as
you hold the same ideology. Those with
other opinions are silenced with whatever
tactics are available to the liberals.

May 6, 2009 - 7:00 am 19. AThinkingPerson:

Can’t add more to what I’ve already read from previous posters except if we keep doing the same we can expect more of the same. Anyone else notice that the Left is trying to steer the GOP movement? Anytime becoming vocal or “taking on” the Left is mentioned some inane article like this comes out that tries to tempter the enthusiasm. “Be calm conservatives.” “Simmer down now GOP.” “Get back to your turn-the-other-cheek values Right Wingers.” Enough.

Why go to a gunfight with a peashooter?

May 6, 2009 - 7:08 am 20. sheesh:

Attack the left, don’t attack the left. Go after gay marriage, don’t go after gay marriage. Exhume Reagan, don’t exhume Reagan. Highlight abortion, don’t highlight abortion. Agree with Rush, don’t agree with Rush. Wear a tie, don’t wear a tie.

You people really need to make up your mind. Or not.

May 6, 2009 - 7:25 am 21. Pastor of Muppets:

The party of Lee Atwater, Karl Rove, Richard Nixon, G. Gordon Liddy, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter and Sean Hannity has revealed itself time and time again as more than willing to roll around gleefully in the mire of dirty politics. Who on earth do you think you’re fooling with this bollocks?

May 6, 2009 - 7:27 am 22. commonsense247:

Enough of this nonsense. It’s time for intelligently and rationally calling them out everytime they bully, ridicule, twist facts, marginalize, act dismissively, distort reality, use bad logic and faulty arguments, and act hypocritically.
Arm yourselves with facts, critical thinking, and a cool head.
Challenge what’s already been considered to be the norm or unquestionable.
Refuse to accept bullying tactics, straw man arguments, or intimidation – instead POINT IT OUT and EXPOSE IT, and then refute the error and falsehood. Then speak the truth in a brief and concise manner.

May 6, 2009 - 7:31 am 23. Chemman:

I withdrew from the republican party because it failed to defend itself and capitulated to the left in the area of ideas. Your solution to that is more of the same. Sorry, I don’t agree. No, we don’t need to be nasty but we have to quit bringing a feather to a gun fight when the opposition brings a howitzer.

May 6, 2009 - 7:40 am 24. I, ParkdaBus:

Someone else deciding for me (and everyone else) what is or is not appropriate tactics is to believe in collective rule by elites. Which is what Statists believe.

That said, it IS correct that conservatives are not the unhinged. We do believe in order, rule of law, and respect for authority MORE than leftists, statists, and anarchists. We are more circumspect in our vocalizations and displays because we believe that reputations matter.

So, ways that we can influence the discussion that are things that we can do well, and things that fit our world view:

1) Find agenda items (tax valuation, school zoning, property rights, gov. spending) and attend City/County Council/ School Board meetings etc. en masse. VERY effective.
2) Write petitions and carry these too to local and state government.
3) Organize senior citizens to write lawmakers.
4) Picket Congressional offices in your state. Carry signs and make noise.
5) Hire billboards for a month with a jabbing political message.
6) Open a restaurant or cafe and call it “Liberty Grill” and host speakers on a weekly basis.
7) Go speak on college campuses in their gathering areas. Teach-ins.
Organize “10K for Liberty” “City Walk for Liberty.” “Century Ride for Liberty.” “Bikers for Liberty.”
9) Make sure that you are in any parades that are held locally.
10) Hold a “First Tuesday Teach-In” on the village square.
11) Volunteer to speak to Boy Scouts or Girl Scouts or other local clubs on the concepts of Liberty.
12) Have any local club to which you belong put out press releases advocating for the principles of Liberty applied to local concerns.
13) Hold a “Rally for Liberty” (defined however you want…doesn’t have to be big 50-100 people make a difference).

MANY more ideas.

May 6, 2009 - 7:43 am 25. MissTickly:

I couldn’t agree more. The intolerance, race-baiting, sexism and hate coming from the left has made me run screaming from them.

As a REAL liberal I have found more commonground with conservatives as of late. I wouldn’t ever join the republican party, but I am much more willing to listen to and compromise with them than obamacrats at this point. More than ever in my life.

May 6, 2009 - 7:44 am 26. certainly:

Stay positive . . . Just look to Sarah Palin for guidance . . . she’s dong a great job of letting people know that she’s saying “Thanks but no thanks” to that dirty socialist stimulus money. She’s turning down $28 million! That’s a lot of money. She’s . . . what’s that? . . . she’s taking what? . . . $900 million? . . . She’s taking $900 million and turning down $28 million?

Never mind.

May 6, 2009 - 7:49 am 27. rickb308:

Until you are ready to get down in the mud and wrestle the pig on his turf, you have no business being in the barnyard.

If we keep taking the high road, we will keep getting our a**es handed to us.
Especially when the other side doesn’t.

If anyone doesn’t believe me, I’ll challenge them to a fight.

Only one rule:
You have to follow The Marquess of Queensberry rules, I don’t.

My name’s Larry. This is my brother Darrell. This is my other brother Darrell.
This is my other brother Darrell. This is my other brother Darrell. This is my other brother Darrell. This is my other brother Darrell. This is my other brother Darrell. This is my other brother Darrell.

Deal?

May 6, 2009 - 7:56 am 28. The Famous Mo:

Muppet, do you REALLY want to make this argument? Of the people you listed, only ONE was an elected official. Three listed have never even been appointed to an office.

You want to compare these people to Saint Teddy Kennedy who, in a drunken stupor, KILLED A WOMAN? Or how about Chris Dodd and Barney Frank, who are dead-center of the reason we are in a financial crisis right now? How about Obama’s cabinet; how many tax cheats has he appointed, including the guy he put in charge of the IRS? Or how about Obama himself, who has, in just over 100 days in office, managed to quadruple our debt, make us the laughingstock to our enemies, alienated our few allies, hamstrung our defenses, endangered the lives of every American abroad and severely hampering our national security by publicly releasing our interrogation methods (a two-fer!), reneged on nearly every promise he made to convince people to vote for him, and is using our Constitution as his own personal toilet paper.

Give me hardball campaigning and a little B & E any day.

May 6, 2009 - 7:56 am 29. The Shadow:

This is great – just proves my point you are all talk and no action

May 6, 2009 - 8:08 am 30. Pastor of Muppets:

The Famous Mo: Muppet, do you REALLY want to make this argument? Of the people you listed, only ONE was an elected official. Three listed have never even been appointed to an office.

So only elected officials are capable of political dirty tricks? So the folks who orchestrated the Watergate break-in weren’t guilty because they weren’t elected officials? That’s some pathetically poor logic you’ve got there, Mo.

“You want to compare these people to Saint Teddy Kennedy who, in a drunken stupor, KILLED A WOMAN?”

Yes, Mo, Ted Kennedy was responsible for a drunk driving accident in which a young women traagically died. But what does that trgaedy have anything to do with dirty political tricks that are the focus of this article?

Absolutely nothing. And that’s what your argument amounts to. Absolutely nothing.

May 6, 2009 - 8:09 am 31. sheesh:

I’m calling it!

Last night Mike Pence got his ass handed to him by Chris Matthews on evolution. I predict Pence will be on O’Reilly or Hannity tonight in an attempt to repair the damage, just like they did with Mac Thornberry.

May 6, 2009 - 8:13 am 32. scott:

This article is one big moot point. Until the pubbies come out and apologize to the world for letting their buds on Wall St bankrupt the world, swear off piracy, and take the limited government pledge …. nobody’s going to give a good GD WHAT they do or say.

Everybody from Limbaugh to Romney is still trying to make the old-style tired ‘free market capitalism’ argument while ignoring the 800 pound gorilla in the room (DC pols are all crooks) . This country needs a Teddy Roosevelt (Sarah Palin) to stand up and slay all the sacred cows.

After two years of the insanity of the Obama admin a trust busting warrior will look pretty good to the nation. DC is one giant ‘trust’ eating away at the heart of the free world.

May 6, 2009 - 8:14 am 33. Paul A'Barge:

Who let this pussy write for PJ Media?

May 6, 2009 - 8:19 am 34. John B:

Crap~! Just when I thought it couldn’t get worse,,, it did.

We somehow elected a communist, anti-American, racist, bastard to the presidency.

Libs are off the reservation, have been for 50 years. Conservatives are; “too nice”,,, this is not a good excuse.

Excuse me, but the alleged Hawaiian needs to show us the vault copy of his birth certificate. He also needs to show us his transcripts from Columbia and Harvard to prove he isn’t an Affirmitave Action president.

Until I see some hard evidence,,, I will remain in doubt about the legal nature of the “One”.

May 6, 2009 - 8:20 am 35. Friendly Girl:

Unfortunately Mr. Graham’s thesis is based on the theory that we are better than them and should not lower ourselves to extremism and abuse. The fact is that these tactics worked for the socialists, as evidenced by Mr. Soros’s victory in the last presidential election.
How about a third way – tell the truth.
As the MSM are a branch of the Democratic Party the only direct way to reach the public is through paid advertising.
This should be used to approach, for example, African American voters. They have been persuaded to vote overwhelmingly for the Democrats – how about giving them a few history lessons.
Simply put:
‘Fact – The Republican Party freed the slaves – the Democratic Party was the party of the slave traders. Do you think that the Democratic Party should have to pay reparations to the descendants of the slaves?’
Fact followed by talking point – simply and direct.
Again:
‘Martin Luther King was a Republican – the Klu Klux Klan was electorally a branch of the Democratic Party. Should the Democratic Party have to pay reparations to the victims of the KKK?’
Fact followed by taking point.
That should stir up the hornets.
Well how about it socialist trolls, does the truth upset you?

May 6, 2009 - 8:31 am 36. No Guts No Glory:

I am sick of listening to liberals spew their opinions like everybody agrees with them. I have started taking them on. When confronted they usually are dumbfounded and can’t believe any one would have a view different than theirs. No screaming/yelling necessary.

Count me out of the “can’t we all just get along” crowd. If you can’t fight for what you believe in then I suggest you get out of the way.

May 6, 2009 - 8:33 am 37. The Famous Mo:

“The party of Lee Atwater, Karl Rove, Richard Nixon, G. Gordon Liddy, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter and Sean Hannity has revealed itself time and time again as more than willing to roll around gleefully in the mire of dirty politics. Who on earth do you think you’re fooling with this bollocks?”

No, Muppet. No, no, no. My point is that you CAN NOT BEGIN to compare the “dirty tricks” of the right to the dirty tricks of the left. My point is that of the three people you list who are NOT elected or appointed to any office, they are not CAMPAIGNING for anyone. They are commentators, entertainers, writers, and as a point of FACT, they are as disgusted with the Republican party as the rest of us.

I defy you to compare anything Atwater did to the blatant deceit practiced by Obama, both during his campaign and after his swearing-in (and note, he SWORE to uphold the Constitution. How’s THAT working out?)

And Mary Jo Kopechne did not “tragically die,” you apologist. She was left for dead when a drunken Kennedy got behind the wheel and drove into Lake Chappaquiddick. She was tragically KILLED by the darling-dear of the left, who managed to get away without so much as a stern talking-to.

May 6, 2009 - 8:35 am 38. scory:

Fight fire with fire but you pinpoint your target and hit it with whatever is needed to render it impotent. In other words adopt a broad strategy but tailor tactics to specific battles. Be nice and reasonable nationally but be prepared to use shout downs, media attacks, boycotts and protests as needed on a local basis (national if necessary). Ann Coulter is an asset as is Michelle Malkin as is David Horowitz as is George Will as is Jonah Goldberg, etc.

If conservatives want to win broadly they have to appeal broadly but they won’t do it with a single message. The left certainly does not present a single, unified message or image. They appeal to each of the groups in their coalition and even if the appeals are counter to one another they stick with them. Conservatives don’t have to be incoherent but they can certainly craft appeals to fit certain groups while underpinning these with a central message.

Attacking and ridiculing the left should be a part of this. We need Ann Coulters and we need George Wills and everything in between. And when the left comes at them conservatives should hit right back. The leftist propaganda machine (MSM) needs to be confronted and discredited. At the same time alternative media needs to be supported and expanded. And where it is likely to prove effective and provide a net benefit conservatives should pro-actively attack the left.

May 6, 2009 - 8:42 am 39. EnemyoftheState:

As the British regulars learned in our revolution, and as our regular forces learned in Vietnam, you can not employ classical military operations against insurgents. The enemy guerilla forces flow around you with impunity, making hit and run attacks. This weakens your force physically and mentally and makes you look foolish to third party observers.
This is why we have Special Operations Command – a joint service collection of the finest dirty fighters that ever protected any country. The Army Special Forces, Navy SEALs, Air Force Special Operations, Marine Special Ops, all selected and trained to bring the fight to the enemy in the form of counter-insurgency. Lethal force applied efficiently and effectively to achieve an objective and avoid innocent casualties. Their objective, the Army Special Forces motto: “de oppresso liber” (to free the oppressed).
My point is that sometimes valuable and noble principles can be achieved only by fighting dirty. I’m an old GI, so I’m using the military and fighting as an analogy. I’m not advocating spilling any liberal blood (yet). The thing is – it doesn’t matter if your enemy has a Mig or a knife, a broken beer bottle or a Juris Doctor. If he’s trying to do you harm, neutralize him. Get over your chivalry and your natural aversion to violence, fight dirty, take every advantage and stop him. If you try to remain above it all, he’ll clean your clock.
Counter-Insurgency – it works.

May 6, 2009 - 9:07 am 40. Aaron:

“You want to compare these people to Saint Teddy Kennedy who, in a drunken stupor, KILLED A WOMAN?”

Yes, Mo, Ted Kennedy was responsible for a drunk driving accident in which a young women traagically died. But what does that trgaedy have anything to do with dirty political tricks that are the focus of this article?

It just shows the double standards. Everybody knows if Kennedy was (R-MA) instead of (D-MA) his career as a politician would have ended the instant he waded out of the water.

May 6, 2009 - 9:15 am 41. Bilgeman:

Mr. Graham:
“But is the “Chicago way” the right way for conservatives? ”

I don’t know…when have we tried it?

“Certainly, conservatives need to re-evaluate their tactics in light of Democratic behavior.”

It’s not in light of their behavior, but in light of their results, wouldn’t you think?
Otherwise there would “certainly” be no “need” at all to “re-evaluate” anything.

“If one’s going to consider following liberals’ example, then I think it’s relevant to look at what Saul Alinsky wrote about radical activism. In Rules for Radicals, Alinsky declared, “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.””

I happen to agree with Alinsky on this.

Here’s a tactic conservative activists can take that they should thorughly enjoy:

Take a walk through the company parking lot and through the company workstations, noting who has Obama stickers on their bumpers and Democratic campaign crap…”downsize” accordingly.

“Thus college campuses encourage liberal political thuggery. Seizing a stage while a conservative is speaking is ultimately an act of political intimidation against every conservative on campus.”

Manifestly so. In line with the Alinsky advice above, do not hire college graduates. Most companies have management trainee positions, promote from within, and let the Gender Studies grads go drive taxis and deliver pizzas.

“Conservatives face media bias”

Then turn it around…let media face conservative bias.
Don’t talk to a reporter from the MSM. Give them a fish-eyed stare. If you MUST speak to one of these hacks, tell them that you don’t talk to Liberal propagandists.

They’re going to make up their own story anyhow, why give them a free quote for it?

AFAIC, they can go piss up a rope.

May 6, 2009 - 9:19 am 42. CJ from Illinois:

Adam Graham,

I have little or no respect for the policemen and women who arrest pro-lifers. Policemen and women who will remove their name and badge numbers so they can’t be identified later on. I have very little respect for the rule of law that says that it is ok, in fact a right! of a woman to kill an unborn child.

I am unsure what type of Conservatives you are speaking about. Most Conservatives I know have very little respect for the hypocritical laws we are currently living under.

1) it is ok to kill an unborn child, but you will go to jail if you kill some type of “endangered” animal.

2) a person that breaks and enters into your home can sue you and win if you dare defend yourself with a gun. Not only that, the city will go after you for owning a gun.

3) So called hate speech and crime laws that are already in States like New Jersey and the United States Congress is attempting to make these type of laws Federal.

4) Police men and women who abuse their police powers because they can. Come to Chicago or any suburb surrounding it. While there are plenty of good cops, the mere fact of being a cop doesn’t make you a good cop/person. And my goodness if you dare put a complaint against a police office with his/her watch commander, they will do anything and everything to intimidate you so you don’t put the complaint.

Do you support any of the laws above, Mr Adam? is this the rule of law that you claim we Conservatives support? and this is just the tip of the iceberg of unjust laws. Laws do NOT equal morality. Using your way of thinking, MR Adam, Conservatives would have never stood up against slavery since it was the “rule of law”, right?!

PLEASE! WAKE UP!

I mean honestly Mr. Adam Graham, you live in la la land. While in no way, shape or form do I advocate violence, and adopting all of the left wing tactics, we as Conservatives must wake up and use some of their tactics.

The ACLU has been destroying Juedo/Christian culture and symbols by taking eveyrone plus their mother to court. WE should be doing the same thing against Liberal symbols and cultures.

For a long time, the right defended religious symbols by using Freedom of Religion. it wasn’t until recently that Conservatives “got smart” and started defending Christian speech, shirts, and symbols with Freedom of Speech and started winning cases that were being lost when the Freedom of REligion defense was used.

We should be marching, huge marches against abortion, against out of control spending, against homosexual marriage.

Liberals have infiltrated every sector education and media. Where are the Conservatives? where?

The Ron Paul supporters came across as idiots not because of their tactics, but because of what they spewed. In many instances, they were no different than the crazed out Liberals. From the Truthers to the “We should never have alliances” crowd, these are the fools that supported Ron Paul. It was not their tactics, but their beliefs that turned off many of us.

There are peaceful ways to shut down a speaker.

I mean it is like Obama visiting Notre Dame. Where are the huge marches being planned? Where is the coalition of Conservatives getting together to show Mr. Obama that murdering babies is not ok?

If it was President Bush going to a university, I can guarantee you that there would be at least a few hundred Liberal groups getting together to march.

I am truly sick and tired of Conservatives that claim, “We must play nice…it will all be good, God will take care of us at the end.”

PLEASE! God doesn’t help anyone that is unwilling to help themselves first!

It is about darn time that Conservative started using litigation against the left, the FCC against the left, marches against the left.

Bush played nice and what did it get him, Republicans or Conservatives? We were demonized, compared to Nazis. Wake up people!

there are times when “wars” are justified, and this is one of those times!

WE ARE FIGHTING FOR THE SOUL OF THE GREAT UNITED STATES! For the future of our children and we are suppose to play nice?! give me a break!

With fools like Adam Graham in charge of the Conservative movement, we are doomed!

May 6, 2009 - 9:20 am 43. Sherab Zangpo:

As I commented some days ago:

WE are for ONE NATION under God
THEY are for class warfare
THEREFORE
our action must be: form and inform, study and reflect
their action is: invading schools and universities and media with cheap propaganda (the demented marxist theories first)
we cultivate human beings of great depth and honesty
they grow robots

Our job is long term, and there is always the possibility that the idiocies of the totalitarians cause a REAL civil war. But on the long run the subversives are toast.

Thank you for the opportunity to comment.

May 6, 2009 - 9:24 am 44. katiejane:

Too bad some Republicans don’t understand that there is a big difference between defending their beliefs/positions from lies and attacks and being prissy and hoping the voters will like us because “we are above the tactics of the left.”

May 6, 2009 - 9:25 am 45. CJ from Illinois:

What we need is individuals like Dick Cheney’s daughter, who went mano-a-mano against and idiot like Nora (Whatever the hell her name is) in MSNBC. Smart individuals that will not give an inch or allow questions to be asked on the false premises of the left! Ms. Cheney handed Nora her lunch, skirt and shoes!!!!

We need smart, articulate, witty, Conservatives. Ari Fletcher is someone else that comes to mind that can more than handle the Liberal fake premises. Have you seen him hand Chris Matthews and other left wing nut jobs?

EnemyoftheSTate, I could not agree with you more because it is impossible. Even God’s Angels got Their hands dirty when They had to fight against Lucifer and his armies.

I do not understand this mentality of the right that if we play nice, hold hands with the left and sing “Cumbaya my athiest” that some how the left will leave us alone, stop fighting the culture and political war.

May 6, 2009 - 9:30 am 46. AThinkingPerson:

Witness the growing hysteria from our liberal posters here. Why they feel the need to insert themselves into a GOP argument is beyond me but having them show their idiocy is indeed entertaining. Actually defending Kennedy KILLING A WOMAN? Wow, never seen a liberal sink that low.

If you want an idea what the GOP should be doing, just pay close attention to the hand wringing from out liberal friends here. The more we rally, the crazier they get. Take note and use to your advantage in the future. Big mouths and fear mongering have gotten the left quite far in the past and we don’t need to sink that low but pointing out when THEY do is one thing we can do (it will be a full time job though for those up to the task).

May 6, 2009 - 9:46 am 47. Mike:

Wrong, wrong, wrong, Mr. Graham. The answer is not a sports analogy. This is not a game; it is a war.

It is a war where the enemies of freedom and decency have many advantages: The national media and the democratic party are two sides of the same coin. The educational system, from elementary to grad school, promotes the democratic party line calling it curriculum. And the government itself has been colonized by public employee unions given a place and a paycheck in return for loyalty to the one party state. Added to those, tens of millions of people dependent on government largess – allies purchased by the collectivists unhindered access to the public purse.

Our enemies do not want us defeated, they want our beliefs forgotten, and ourselves yoked to the machine of the all powerful state, and unless we believe it, internalize it, and act to stop it, it will happen.

I understand your objection to using the left’s own vile tactics against them. We do not have unlimited access to the treasury for funding, control of a media machine to ensure only our side of things gets publicized, and armies of public employee drones to act as foot soldiers. Attempting to fight on their terms would be the same as a small guerrilla band engaging in a war of attrition against a huge army. But fight them we must, and ruthlessly and continuously, and with the single minded goal of returning the government from master to servant.

One need only look at the dying, degenerate states of Western Europe to see the future awaiting us if we fail.

May 6, 2009 - 9:57 am 48. davidt:

Dirty? No. Effective? Yes. Most of all, we need to WANT to WIN, not just GET ALONG.

May 6, 2009 - 9:59 am 49. Herb:

Ya know, Adam, I was reading along, glad to hear someone talk about conservatism in principled terms rather than the juvenile “I know you are, but what am I?” nonsense that I usually see on PJM, but then I read this:

“Liberals receive training in obnoxious activism techniques and even receive scholarships and fellowships to hone their “craft.””

Um…no they don’t. I’ve been a liberal for quite some time and I still haven’t received my official “Liberal Indoctrination Kit.”

Now it’s possible that the Left(tm) doesn’t have my correct address, but I think it’s more likely that you’re making overbroad generalizations that veer quite a far ways from reality.

But who am I kidding? Overbroad generalizations about liberals is the gas to PJM’s fire.

May 6, 2009 - 10:00 am 50. CJ from Illinois:

Herb,

Are you kidding me? The left thrives on making broad generalizations of Conservatives.

So, the day your side stop making generalizations, that will be the day our side stops, get it?

don’t be the typical, run of the mill Liberal hypocrite.

May 6, 2009 - 10:05 am 51. Bilgeman:

#46 ATP:
“Witness the growing hysteria from our liberal posters here. Why they feel the need to insert themselves into a GOP argument is beyond me”

I have a suspicion about why that is so.

Two reasons:

1) Some folks like to gloat…after 8 years, their boy managed to win an election. They have been talking it up as a “mandate” and “transformative” and all the rest of that crap, when it was only a 10 point spread, and with an unpopular incumbent and the weakest candidate since Gerald Ford.

2) They know that their days are numbered, and are far shorter than they publicly acknowledge.
They know that their “Age of Obama” has an expiration date of 2010, unless all kinds of miracles happen.

One of the miracles that would have to happen for them to hang on to their gains is that the GOP tear itself apart by in-fighting.

That’s why they’re here “false-flagging” as GOP moderates demanding that the GOP essentially run McMaverick, (or a facsimile), AGAIN…and AGAIN…and AGAIN.

Democrats aren’t very good at lying, since they usually avoid “playing against the Varsity”(as it were).
For all their wailing and gnashing of teeth about “SElection 2000″, I’ve yet to have one adequately explain why they didn’t nominate Comrade Algore to run in 2004.

If he had REALLY already beaten “W”, wouldn’t a sane person want to run him again?

May 6, 2009 - 10:07 am 52. tanstaafl:

There seems to be quite a bit of talk now about conservatives/Republicans becoming an endangered species and advice that they better wise up and get with the “progressive” program, or they’ll become extinct.

This may be mostly the hype du jour of entrenched media or may have a grain of truth. But for what should or could one throw hiscore principles under the bus, where Obama threw his grandmother ? It would be ridiculous, not to mention impossible, to abandon them or, even, compromise them for some perception of pragmatism or gaining political power.

You’re correct that, generally, conservatives are loath to engage in the “end justifies the means” tactics of today’s Left. Any perceived gain from adopting Liberal Dirty Tricks and Tactics (LDTT’s) would,likely, be extremely short lived and shallow. Prostituting principles for short term gain is a losing proposition.

Ann Coulter doesn’t come from mean spiritedness but from a place of total exasperation with the status quo. She’s a raw truth teller and goes over the top on purpose.

May 6, 2009 - 10:20 am 53. KZ:

I fail to see the nobility in losing.

May 6, 2009 - 10:26 am 54. BC:

What bizarro planet are you guys from to think that “the right” has been the good guys and “the left” the bad? For the past 10 years at least, political and media conservatives have thought less and less of getting nasty in spreading rumors, deliberate disinformation, insane speculations, and engaging in just playing out and out dirty in general with not a shred of a real moral center. As I said in another posting, while you can point out bad behavior by liberals and Democrats, in context it’s like comparing shoplifting gum from a convenience store to emptying out a warehouse with a heavily armed force. From the BS impeachment of Bill Clinton, to all the legal shenanigans involving the 2000 election (by the way, the last final authoritative recounts had Gore winning Florida, despite all the steaming piles of right wing claims to the contrary), the over the top smearing of Kerry during the 2004 election, not to mention all the utter BS attacks on Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame….it’s just been one friggin nasty thing after another with you guys, including currently all the insults against Obama.

Bush earned his well deserved place in infamy, while the attacks and insults against Obama have amounted to no more than malicious childishness. If you’re defensive about Bush because you voted for him twice as President, well that just means you totally suck at voting intelligently, which in turn means that you have no business being angry over Obama being elected.

My advice to you guys is to just focus on cleaning up your party instead of even thinking about doing just the opposite.

May 6, 2009 - 10:35 am 55. John:

Memo to Adam Graham:

You need to understand the the left is not just interested in winning the argument. The left really wants to destroy people and ruin reputations and will stop at nothing to shut down any opposition.

Look at what is happening to Miss California who dared to stand up for traditional marriage!

Look at what is happening to Sarah Palin with the continuing bogus ethics harassment charges!

Right now the left pays no political price for engaging in dirty gutter level politics. Conservatives must begin to fight fire with fire just to survive.

May 6, 2009 - 10:51 am 56. tanstaafl:

On the the bizarro planet query, relative to the so called MSM, dirty tricks in the name of their biases are ongoing and continuous, daily, relentlessly, to an extent you’d think you were in the Twilight Zone if you weren’t listening to it with your own ears.

These people can’t be as stupid as to repeat lies so fervently. They must be very scared of losing their place, and know on some level, their place (and the current administration’s place) was bought with their lies, their prevarications.

Their treatment two fresh and honest spokespersons (Joe and Sarah) is beyond shameful. Those 2 must have scared the crap out of them, given the lengths gone to to discredit and destroy them. Even Obama was obsessed with Sarah when she first came on the national scene as McC’s running mate, it was ASIF he treated her as his true opposition.

She may have been. Since the MSM harped on her inexperience, I’m sure, at the very least, her grasp of economic realities and management capabilities far surpass anything we’ve seen from Barack thus far.

May 6, 2009 - 10:51 am 57. Herb:

“50. CJ from Illinois:

So, the day your side stop making generalizations, that will be the day our side stops, get it?”

You must have missed out on the part where I mocked the “I know you are, but what am I?” nonsense…

I’m sorry, but have some responsibility for your own behavior!

May 6, 2009 - 10:57 am 58. Dee:

Sorry- Miss Nice Gal is no longer around. I am fighting for the soul and freedom of my Country. Nothing less than total victory is required.

The Republicans play footsie with the their socialist peers and leave the rest of us hanging.

I now taking the name calling, the lying, back stabbing personal. And will call anyone who engages in this behavior out-loud and clear.

It takes a lot to make me angry. However, the political class has finally tipped me over the edge. If someone wants my money, energy and loyalty, they had better be willing to fight hard, dirty and consistantly.

May 6, 2009 - 10:57 am 59. The Famous Mo:

BC, how about YOU concern yourself with YOUR party. No one here thinks for a second you actually care what happens to the GOP, so long as your precious Dems benefit. Ergo, why should anyone in the GOP follow your advice? Especially considering the reason the GO is in such a mess is because the moderates of the party have been trying to emulate you.

How about you fix your party and have them stop selling us out to the unions and eco-hate groups? How about you tell Obama to stop bowing and scraping to every tin-horn dictator seeking the destruction of our country?

May 6, 2009 - 11:12 am 60. Kelly:

Sorry, I don’t buy it either – you don’t win by being the “nice guy” esp. not when the other team is playing as vicious as they can. Sure be nice to their face but that’s it. We should do every single thing in our legal power and ability to WIN back our Liberty.

May 6, 2009 - 11:47 am 61. Bilgeman:

#54 BC:
“…to all the legal shenanigans involving the 2000 election (by the way, the last final authoritative recounts had Gore winning Florida, despite all the steaming piles of right wing claims to the contrary), the over the top smearing of Kerry…”

Okay, my liberal laddie, here’s your big opportunity.

You can succeed where all your other little cell members have balked.

Why DIDN’T your crew run Algore in ‘04?

Did you folks really think you had a better shot by nominating for President Ketchup-Lady’s pet Boy-Toy?

C’mon ace, let’s hear why y’all dumped a candidate that had supposely already beaten George W once.

Or was all that “SElection 2000″ hype just a bunch of whining by spoiled brats after all?

May 6, 2009 - 11:51 am 62. BC:

To tanstaafl: really, so from your viewpoint, the treatment of Joe the Plumber and Sarah Palin by the “MSN” (aka the corporate media) shows how relentlessly mean the left is? It wasn’t the left that tried to extend unknown, random dude Samuel Wurzelbacher’s (aka Joe The Unlicensed Plumber’) 15 minute’s of minor famousness during an extended conversation with Obama into making him some sort of spokesperson for disgruntled conservatives? That was just begging for stuff like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BcDfz-LQ3E

As to Sarah Palin, yeah, blame the MSN for her poor performance with Katie Couric and for stuff like this:
http://www.humanevents.com/rightangle/index.php?id=30835&title=sarah_palin_the_fall_girl
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0509/22059.html

And just look at all this mean spirited “RINO” ranting going on now involving McCain & his daughter, Arlen Specter and whoever else who isn’t deemed a true and worthy believer of the “Right Wing Randian Way” — yeah, one can see all sorts of thoughtful behavior and comments characteristic of nice guys, no, yes, maybe?

May 6, 2009 - 11:57 am 63. Delia:

I prefer to fight the ‘LLL’ [Lefty Loon Liars]. There are people who prefer not to get into the fray and that’s okay too. “Oh, ye’ll take the high road and I’ll take the low road an’ I’ll be a target afore ye.”

May 6, 2009 - 12:12 pm 64. CJ from Illinois:

57 Herb,

What about Liberals like you, who claim to be sane (yea right!) stand up against the dirty, digusting, anti-American, anti-Freedom tactics of the left?

The problem, Herb, is that you want to be able to claim that the right makes all types of generalizations about the left, but you don’t want to be called out when YOU do it.

Sorry buddy, do not engage in behavior that you do not want the opposition to engage in.

You are trying to shut-up the opposition by claiming that you are tired of the rights, “I know you are, but what am I…” nosense. This is ridiculous!

So, in other words, you are saying that YOU can insult, spit, etc on Conservatives, but oh, wow…stop everything, call the military, if the right enganges in your type of behavior?

Sad Liberal hypocrite.

sorry, your original post was full of generalities against the right, I just called you on your hypocrisy and you come up with this pathetic nonsense.

Get a clue!

Typical Liberal, you will engage in any and all type of behavior, but my goodness if the right engages and does the same thing to you do.

Read carefully….YOU ARE P A T H E T I C!

It is time to take on Liberal hypocrites like you. Take no prisoners!

If you do not want to be told that you are making huge assumptions and generalizations about Conservatives….DON’T DO IT!!! don’t be such a hypocrite!

YOU Herb, YOU in particular, YOU made generalizations about Conservatives….once again, do not cry about behavior on the Conservative side that YOU have engaged in first. in other words….

don’t be a typical, run of the mill, sad Liberal hypocrite.

Get it? or is your Liberal ideology too much of a block to let you think on your own?

May 6, 2009 - 12:12 pm 65. CJ from Illinois:

BC,

Oh please, typical brainwahsed Liberal that can’t think on his own.

The FACT is that Liberals went after Joe the Plumber because he dared ask a question to Obama that Obama fumbled!

How dare anyone ask a tough question to Obama? right BC? Your Messiah opened up and said the truth…that he wants to transform this nation into a communist nation.

Was it a Conservative or a Liberal in the Ohio government that went ahead and released information to the media about Joe the Plumber? what party did the people that released this information to destroy Joe Plumber belong to?

and the media and the left, full of hypocrites like yourself, jumped on Joe the Plumber for not paying taxes, and yet stayed silent or defended all the tax cheats that Obama has appointed to Federal government positions.

Sad that an individual like you would be ok that Ohio government officials went after Joe the Plumber. This should terrify you!

but as a young, uneducated, poorly informed, brainwashed Liberal….you do not have a clue what it means to be a true American.

Go ahead, keep on applauding the government going after individuals like Joe the Plumber for asking a tough question to a government official.

Don’t ask for help when it is you and your family that the government is destroying, ok?

Liberals, such sad, sad creatures.

May 6, 2009 - 12:19 pm 66. Herb:

61. Bilgeman:

Please explain your bizarre comment about the 2004 election.

I frankly don’t get it. Are you trying to say the Democrats were stupid in 04, so there’s no way they could be smart in 08?

Can the crux of your argument be summed up with “I know you are, but what am I?” or is there something more intelligent lurking under all that nonsense?

May 6, 2009 - 12:20 pm 67. Steve:

Re: #10 JHM dba ‘Dangerous Inductions’:

You sir (or madame), need to GET HELP QUICKLY!

May 6, 2009 - 12:20 pm 68. trangbang68:

President Bush chose the high road while the clowns, traitors and nihilists of the left called him Chimpy McBushitler, defamed and lied about the troops, revealed state secrets that endangered our troops, lied about and undermined war efforts, wrote books advocating his assassinations,lied about Katrina,and on and on ad nauseum. By refusing to fight back, Bush destroyed his presidency, harmed his party and facilitated the election of the New Fascist in town. Screw civility!

May 6, 2009 - 12:27 pm 69. tanstaafl:

BC,

Arlen Specter is one of those prostitutes who, by golly, by damn, wasn’t gonna let that nasty Penn. Republican constituency vote him out of office after almost 30 years.

Hell, even the NOW ladies have no use for Arlen these days. (wow, that’s bad, when the NOW gang turns on a democrat) I hope he gets what he richly deserves for selling out (it was in MARCH of this year he said he WOULD NOT SWITCH PARTIES)… defeat when he’s next up, in 2010 ? He has already lost his Senate committee seniority.

And if it wasn’t “the Left” who extended Joe Wurzelbacher’s 15 minutes (I think there was fear in the Obama camp that The One™ had been too candid and spilled the beans in carelessly responding to Joe’s question?), who was it, exactly, that examined and published Joe’s personal information relative to child support, etc. ? I think some state underling got fired for making that inquiry on behalf of her “superiors”.

Sorry, there’s no defense for this kind of stuff. And for the record, since you expressed indignation over the treatment of that other Joe (Wilson) and dear Valerie, you’d be hard pressed to find someone lower and sleazier than a snakes belly than ole Joe Wilson.

I hope this helps. I’m sure it won’t, since there is no penetrating the skull of a True Believer.

May 6, 2009 - 12:29 pm 70. Herb:

64. CJ from Illinois:

HAHAHA. I could not have done a better job making you look like an idiot than you yourself have just done.

If indeed, as you said, “The problem, Herb, is that you want to be able to claim that the right makes all types of generalizations about the left, but you don’t want to be called out when YOU do it.”

Then what accounts for this?

“Sad Liberal hypocrite.”

Or this?

“Get a clue!

Typical Liberal, you will engage in any and all type of behavior, but my goodness if the right engages and does the same thing to you do.

Read carefully….YOU ARE P A T H E T I C!”

Is that you “calling me out?” (Ooooh. I should be scared, so why am I laughing?)

Or is that you just being a jerk? I mean, jeez, at least be creative in your insults.

May 6, 2009 - 12:30 pm 71. George:

Not using the truth because it hurts isn’t playing dirty, it’s called being honest! McCain blew the election last year with his holier-than-thou refusal to attack the Annointed One where he was the most vulnerable, namely his past associations and shadowy origins. The only time this old RINO went on the offensive at all was when he attacked his own party for doing the job he refused to do, demanding answers to the Rev. Wright and Bill Ayers questions. Unbelievable!

May 6, 2009 - 12:34 pm 72. The Historian:

THE LEFT HAS KILLED THE LATE GREAT GOLDEN STATE
And to date there are no signs of life.

http://greensrealworld.blogspot.com/2009/05/california-has-been-strangled-to-death.html

May 6, 2009 - 12:54 pm 73. tanstaafl:

McCain blew the election last year with his holier-than-thou refusal to attack the Annointed One where he was the most vulnerable, namely his past associations and shadowy origins.

Being on a phony high ground is almost as bad as being on the low ground.

Maybe even worse

May 6, 2009 - 12:59 pm 74. Donna V.:

One obvious rule of thumb: don’t take advice from enemies. I am referring to the sincere *cough* advice freely offered on this site by liberals and RINOs. “Here’s what conservatives need to do,…” Oh, sure, they’re all about helping conservatives. It’s like Goering ringing up Eisenhower to give advice on how to best invade Europe.

May 6, 2009 - 1:07 pm 75. irritant:

this is load of horsesh*t. your small minded concept of conservatives as always occupying the moral high ground is ridiculous. are you a liar, or merely ignorant?

May 6, 2009 - 1:07 pm 76. BC:

To CJ from Illinois: did you actually ever *watch* the discussion between Obama and Wurzelbacher in its entirety? There was no fumbling at all. You guys constantly mock Obama’s use of a teleprompter, but he’s actually not so bad on the fly, in the midst of a Presidential campaign, and giving some some random, skeptical dude in the crowd, way, WAY more time than he deserves:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRPbCSSXyp0

Now look how right wing Fox News parsed this and how “Joe the Plumber” tried to spin it into something with no resemblance at all to the full discussion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbWWHFLYHm0

And you can thank the guy sitting across from Obama in this video for the subsequent press curiosity into Wurzelbacher’s background:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pssvmgEWVqM

Watch it and weep.

May 6, 2009 - 1:10 pm 77. JOHN B:

George, you hit the nail on the head.

May 6, 2009 - 1:29 pm 78. Pat J:

No CJ. Liberals went after Joe the Plumber because he’s stupid. He also makes conservatives look stupid. Of course if you want help pitching your big tent, he’s you’re man.

May 6, 2009 - 1:33 pm 79. Bilgeman:

#66 Herb;
“Please explain your bizarre comment about the 2004 election.

I frankly don’t get it.”

It’s not a comment, it’s a challenge, and you are as welcome to go for the “jump ball” as your comrade moonbat BC is.

Here’s question #1:

“Why DIDN’T your crew run Algore in ‘04?”

That’s not too deep a query.

Here’s question #2:

“Did you folks really think you had a better shot by nominating for President Ketchup-Lady’s pet Boy-Toy?”

In case his candidacy has gone down your cranial memory-hole, I’m talking about John Kerry.

And if you can’t ratianlly answer either of those fairly straightforward inquiries, here’s the “Bonus Round” question, which only requires a “Yes” or “No” answer:

“Or was all that “SElection 2000″ hype just a bunch of whining by spoiled brats after all?”

Step right up and have a go at ‘em.

May 6, 2009 - 1:40 pm 80. fred:

I’ve never bought into the idea that we ought to take the low road like the Left does. Why? I’ve seen what those people are like, from my association with the Marxists while I was an aspiring academic one (1977-1987), and I was never comfortable with that rabble even back then. It was part, but not the only reason, of the mosaic that eventually became an “inbox of cognitive dissonance” I could no longer ignore.

The Left is very good at the low road. By low road I mean flinging lies and half-truths at their opponents in the most obstreperous manner possible. Using the truth is a much better way to go, even if it isn’t as dramatic and “cool.”

I don’t want to be “cool” like these young punks and their older puppet masters. I find it contemptible and I would rather aspire to being classy and always speaking the truth armed with facts.

Having said that, I agree with the comment that McCain stupidly would not exploit the information about Obonga’s background, ideas, associations, and gaps. He painted his opponent as honorable, when the facts suggest otherwise. It’s all about how you finesse these things. McCain just didn’t want to “go there” for some stupid reason we cannot fathom.

What I think we must avoid is pulling in people who will have only a very shallow understanding and approval of classic liberal (in the strict definition of that term, not its debased usage)positions. Shallow loyalties do not last over the long haul. We have to educate people as to what those principles really are, in order to combat the stereotypes of them that are being bandied about these days. This is a tall order, since the Left owns the transmission belts of our society. We have to find other ways to reach people and engage them.

May 6, 2009 - 1:54 pm 81. Steve:

66. Herb:

I’m sure what Bilgeman is saying is that we, as sane individuals, can not understand the Democrats logic in claiming that Gore “won” in 2000 but had the election “stolen”, and then was not the nominated candidate in 2004. Surely, by this logic, he should have been the candidate in the next election and have swept to victory and knocked the evil Bush out of office 4 years earlier.

May 6, 2009 - 1:59 pm 82. fred:

I agree with taking a broad strategy that allows for people to use their talents and skills in the best way possible. Thus, people like Ann Coulter have their place. My preferred mode is to be rational and civil, but if a guy comes to a fight with a pistol I’m not going to bring a knife.

And yes, the mainstream media needs to have a bulls eye on its back. They are the revival of Pravda West and we need to make them pay.

May 6, 2009 - 2:10 pm 83. Herb:

79. Bilgeman:

Okay, it’s a historical debate, but I’ll bite:

“Why DIDN’T your crew run Algore in ‘04?”

If I remember correctly, there was a pretty significant “recruit Gore” movement, but none of that matters if Al Gore isn’t going to play along. You might remember that he briefly left politics, grew a beard, gained a bunch of weight, and made a movie. So I guess the short answer is “Al Gore didn’t want to run.” Simple. Had he wanted to pursue the nomination in 04, no doubt the Democrats would have let him, and they might have even given it to him again. But he didn’t want it… Apparently he had better things to do.

“Did you folks really think you had a better shot by nominating for President Ketchup-Lady’s pet Boy-Toy?”

Short answer: Yes. A lot of people thought that John Kerry, a decorated veteran, would have a better shot beating George W. Bush than any of the other candidates. They were wrong.

So what? Participating in elections almost guarantees that you’ll pick a loser at least some of the time.

It’s not controversial to say that John Kerry’s support in 04 was due mostly to anti-Bush sentiment rather than the charms of John Kerry himself.

“Or was all that “SElection 2000″ hype just a bunch of whining by spoiled brats after all?”

A bunch of hype? Not exactly. There are those who say the election was “stolen,” it’s true. And there are some that say Bush won “fair and square.” But I was around in 2000 and I remember the results being up in the air for weeks until the Supreme Court stepped in and made the call. (Not saying they picked Bush…but they did stop all the recounts, which pretty much settled the issue.) In that case, “fair and square” is as bad an adjective as “stolen.” That George Bush eventually became the legitimate president of the United States doesn’t change the fact that the 2000 election stank. I don’t know anyone who wants to relive that experience.

So now that I’ve answered all your questions, can I ask you one?

What’s your point?

May 6, 2009 - 3:03 pm 84. CJ from Illinois:

#64 Herb,

Oh you sad little man. You just do not get it. Do you?

In my orginal post, which I first addressed to you, I pointed out how YOU were making generealizations about Conservatives. In the same post that you generalize about Conservatives, you DEMAND that all Conservatives stop generalizing about Liberals.

Then you go on to say that you are tired of the, “I know you are, but what am I…” attitude of the Right.

Thus….

You want to be able to insult, generalize, demean, spit on, kick around, degrade, etc anyone and everyone on the Right, but God forbid if a Conservative comes back at you with YOUR same attitude, uses YOUR same tactics and insults.

What you are trying to do, my young padwan, is to disarm the Right through same. Just like you wackos call anyone that is against homosexual marraige a homophobe, it is all about the left shaming people into silence.

Don’t worry, my little one, I do not expect your brain to hold enough brain cells to understand my point. Liberals are not known for their strong logic or accurate facts. You have proven to be no different.

Let me simplify it for you, my young simpleton.

If you do not want the Right to generalize and stereotype Liberals, why did you generalize and stereotype Conservatives on the same post that you are beggin Right wingers to stop generalizing about Liberals?

Simple enough for you, my simpleton?

and called you out? Geez guy/girl/thing, you have issues. I was just pointing a fact….you are a pathetic Liberal. Don’t like this fact, stop being a pathetic Liberal.

Not calling you out son, you would know if I were calling you out. I would be knocking on your door, not pretending to be a keyboard “warrior” like you.

Now please type something intelligent and with some level or coherence. Deal my young one?

May 6, 2009 - 3:28 pm 85. CJ from Illinois:

#83 Herb,

You Liberals are sure idiots.

So, explains son, if you did not know Bilgeman points when he asked you the questions….why the heck would you spent precious time answering it?

Are you truly as dumb as you are showing us to be?

Most intelligent individuals with IQs over 120 would have asked “What’s your point” LONG before wasting time answering all those questions.

You poor, poor Liberal hypocrite….Oh ooops, did I offend you?

May 6, 2009 - 3:31 pm 86. CJ from Illinois:

78. Pat J:

No CJ. Liberals went after Joe the Plumber because he’s stupid. He also makes conservatives look stupid. Of course if you want help pitching your big tent, he’s you’re man.

May 6, 2009 – 1:33 pm

There you have it people…Liberal “logic”. Disagree with them, ask a question of their Messiah, and the all “compassionate”, “tolerant”, “open minded” Liberals will you call you stupid.

Pat J, whether Joe the Plumber was stupid or not, is not the point. The point is that Liberals went after him becasue he made your god look like the rookie that he is.

By the way, have you asked Obama how his tour of the 57 States of the Union are going?

Have you asked him if he has studied up on Austrian? (Don’t worry, I don’t expect a brainwashed, poorly informed Liberal to get this one)

Have you asked him how the dead Veterans in the crowd he was talking to are doing?

The ONLY reason that Joe the Plumber was attacked was because he made Obama look like the rookie and communist that he is.

Liberals who claim to be so open minded hate nothing more than individuals that oppose their warped view of the world.

And let us not forget, that Liberals love freedom of speech…..of course as long as that speech agrees with their world view.

yeah, you say I am lying?

Look how the left is making all efforts to destroy the Miss California lady, all becasue she dared to answer a question about homosexualy in a way that goes against Liberal “values”.

Look what happened to Joe the Plumber.

Of course, the left wing militants and poorly informed, brainwashed kids who allow left wing radical professors to brainwashe them, will not question the tactics being used to silence those that disagree with the Liberal ideology. The poor saps will applaud the left wing tactics to take away Freedom of Speech through shame and person attacks that is employed by Liberal groups.

hey Herbie, you never said son, when will you condemn the left wing groups anti-freedom, anti-american tactics? Oh sorry…all you are worried about is that the Right doesn’t use the same type of tactics that the left uses, my bad young one.

May 6, 2009 - 3:41 pm 87. thirteen28:

Determine what liberals fear – then do that, without mercy.

May 6, 2009 - 3:46 pm 88. Ick:

Herb, the invective you spew all over this site is truly trollish. Then to come on this thread and whine and giggle like a mid schooler is disgustingly hypocritical. You should think about growing up. Or maybe you have yet to finish mid school, which would go a long way towards explaining both your behavior and condescending attitude.

Be an Obama fanboy all you like troll, but if all you have to say is motivated by hate and delusions of superiority, then you have nothing to say at all.

May 6, 2009 - 4:05 pm 89. steveg:

To liberals, anyone that finds socialism unacceptable is considered stupid.

May 6, 2009 - 4:46 pm 90. Bilgeman:

#83 Herb:
“What’s your point?”

That 9 times out of 10, whatever Leftist meme is being breathlessly amplified over our polical landscape is nothing but the purest hogwash.

Credit is due you though, for taking a swat at answering the questions that seem to have driven pal BC into some sort of self-imposed exile.

As forthright as your answers are, there are equally valid different takes on the facts.

“So I guess the short answer is “Al Gore didn’t want to run.” Simple.”

Well as you pointed out, he certainly hasn’t shied away from the limelight in recent years, and he apparently relishes getting awards from everybody under the sun for his Greenhouse Gassing.

My own take is that he had a snit, and went into a funk…like Nixon in the San Clemente years.

“I was around in 2000 and I remember the results being up in the air for weeks until the Supreme Court stepped in and made the call. (Not saying they picked Bush…but they did stop all the recounts, which pretty much settled the issue.)”

The SCOTUS stopped the Gore camp’s calls for endless SELECTIVE recounts.

I was around then too, and to say that Gore wanted endless recounts is misleading at best.
He wanted recounts ONLY of districts that he thought he could win…not the ballots of the entire state of Florida.

Quite honestly, if he had conceded with grace, and NOT tried to get himself “selected by the courts” with his ridiculous demands, I think he would likely have been the nominee in 2004, and while I don’t think he could have beaten Bush, he certainly would have been a better candidate than Prune-face, (who turned out to be highly-suspect as a “war hero”…as even his own supporters must have realized since they loaded Dan rather up with the TANG memo forgeries and launched him against “W”).

I think that Gore was still human enough to realize that his post election actions are what destroyed his political career, and this is what helped lead him to “Do the Nixon”.

But to revisit my point, all the “SElection 2000″ hype, was just that…hype. And all the claims against “W”’s legitimacy up until ‘04 were baseless and with no validity whatsoever.

And for all the caterwauling by the Left, I notice that we are STILL in Iraq, Gitmo is STILL open, and the PATRIOT Act is STILL the law of the land…so all THAT whingeing was just more Democratic partisan BS.

Which brings us to today…what are the current great and pressing memes being floated by this Democratic administration, and being lapped up, digested and excreted upon us by the MSM?

More baseless crap designed only to advance the Dems’ agenda…REGARDLESS of what harm it does to our nation.

May 6, 2009 - 5:11 pm 91. BC:

Hah! — the comments here by themselves undermine the whole sorry, DOA notion that the right has been the good guys. Want to see to truly good natured conservative in action? Go to Fox (not Fox News, but American Idol/24 regular Fox) on some Sunday night at usually 8:30 and watch King of the Hill. Hank Hill may be a cartoon character, but he’s less of a cartoon than an Ann Coulter or Dick Chaney, and a heck of lot, LOT nicer.

May 6, 2009 - 5:35 pm 92. AThinkingPerson:

By the tenor of most of the posts here, it seems the GOP is finally getting some wind in her sails. I say when we’re over 100 days into TeleBama’s reign and the liberals are STILL bringing up Palin and Joe, they are either perplexed as to how to defend TeleBama (who could??), or they are finally waking up to the reality of the 2012 election after which the entire country has been socialized, the borders are wide open, the unions own the big-3, the government owns the banks,the Military has been dismantled, and America is under UN control.

May 6, 2009 - 5:45 pm 93. burntjohn:

Not play dirty.
How about some passion.
How about some energy.
Maybe a little dash of fanaticism.
How about some respect for the Constitution

May 6, 2009 - 5:50 pm 94. TheMightyMonarch:

“A bunch of hype? Not exactly. There are those who say the election was “stolen,” it’s true. And there are some that say Bush won “fair and square.” But I was around in 2000 and I remember the results being up in the air for weeks until the Supreme Court stepped in and made the call. (Not saying they picked Bush…but they did stop all the recounts, which pretty much settled the issue.)”

Florida state law allowed for two recounts. Both recounts showed Bush as the clear winner. The Florida state supreme court blatantly attempted to bypass the law to allow for continued recounts, and the U.S. Supreme Court stopped them.

These are the facts. Any amount of wishing for Gore to have won, or for the law to be changed after the fact, does not make for a “stolen” election. If anything, the real attempt to steal an election was on the part of the Democratic candidate. A close election is a close election, and I find it amazing the lack of concern for rule of law when the leftists don’t get what they want.

“I don’t know anyone who wants to relive that experience.”

Well guess what, the same kind of selective law the Florida Supreme Court applied to the 2000 Presidential election was repeated in the 2008 Minnesota Senatorial election. This time they got what they wanted…continue to recount (and use different methods of recount in different counties) until the desired result was achieved. This is exactly what Gore’s team was after in 2000.

I’ll give you credit though, you do manage to take the unhinged conspiracy theories about the 2000 election and sound almost rational. Still doesn’t change the fact that George W. Bush was the legitimate winner of the election, and Al Franken may have possibly stolen his Senatorial seat.

May 6, 2009 - 5:56 pm 95. steveg:

The GOP may need to look back at what they did right in 1993 and 1994 as a blueprint for 2010. Without the medias help, they ran circles around Democrats, and put a cork on Hillary Care. I’m not a big fan of Newt’s, but he certainly did not back down like today’s weenie Pub’s. Ronald Reagan and Newt Gingrich were the only conservatives I recall, that would be brutally honest when confronting the media. The media, in most cases, were confrontational with the party stance, nevertheless it resonated well with the general public.

From 1995 to 2000, the republican party was in charge of both branches of Congress, and played hardball politics. The GOP rarely backed down to the Democrats or the media. I’m sure the GOP drove liberals crazy.

The republicans are far from being pure, but I often ask myself how a decent democrat or independent can lower themselve, and vote for a party affiliated with unsavory groups like moveon.org, dailykos, unions, ACORN,and PETA. And lets not overlook, race hustlers like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton or Obama’s guy, Jeremiah Wright? This is a short list, but you get the message.

May 6, 2009 - 5:56 pm 96. McBride:

I didn’t take the time to read all the post’s here,so I apologize if this is redundant.David Horowitz dedicated a section of his book Left Illusions to this very subject.He describes several leftist tactics that we could use against them without being hypocrites.

May 6, 2009 - 6:07 pm 97. Rachel Peepers:

Mr. Graham,

Although my heart wants me to agree with you, my head says you’re being naive. Very naive.

We’re not talking about winning a golfing match and playing by the rules even if our opponent rubs his putter across the green to see which way the grain runs.

This is the equivalent of a fight for our country’s life. If the choice is playing dirty and nasty and unethical or losing, and the prize is freedom versus slavery, then we need to get our uniforms and hands dirty.

Sir, why do you think so many GI’s come back from wars not wanting to talk about them? Many, many times, it’s not because they’re humble and don’t want to relate heroic acts in the face of combat. Often it’s because as soldiers, they feel guity about what they did.

Our Revolutionary soldiers, if anything, were more violent, savage and brutal than their British counterparts.

Our greatest generation carpet-bombed Japanese and German cities.

When the Japanese in WWII demonstrated a reluctance to take prisoners, our Marines stopped taking Japanese prisoners.

And in the European theatre, where 70% to 80% of POW’s survived, it was because neither side made of habit of the outright killing of prisoners.

If an American waved the white flag, the Germans, even the SS, generally would capture him and put him in a prison camp.

If they didn’t have the men to take a prisoner to the rear, the prisoner would be summarily executed. Not out of vengeance, but out of practicality.

If a German solder waved the white flag, American soldiers generally would capture him and put him in a prison camp.

If they didn’t have the men to take a prisoner to the rear, the prisoner would be summarily executed. Not out of vengeance, but out of practicality.

These are the brutal facts of war. I wouldn’t want to talk about that either.

But this I feel compelled to say.

In my opinion, Barack Obama has crossed the line. He’s out to metamorphysize the country. Create a kind of Democratic Socialist state. He’s fundamentally opposed to the American Dream. Self reliance. The pioneering spirit. The constitution. The oath he took on January 4th he has already broken.

Mr. Graham, if you’re afraid of the bias of the mainstream media, then you’ll be delighted to know that it can be fixed. In other comments, I’ve gone into detail how to do this. Net, they’re not an insurmountable obstacle.

Your headline talked about “Playing dirty.”
That’s one of your misconceptions. This isn’t a game. It’s not restricted to political party success or failure. It’s not about the two party system.

This is about the first ten amendments and all the words that came before them and followed.

This is about maintaining the ideals upon which this nation was founded.

This is for all the marbles. Capitalism, freedom of speech, the right to own firearms, the right to a free press et al. This is where the existence of the country the framers of our constitution envisioned is at stake.

This is where we must remember the words of Patrick Henry. The thoughts of Voltaire. Rousseau. The deeds of Crockett, Tony McAuliffe, Frankin, Jefferson, Washington, Adams, Dunham, McGinnis, Paul R. Smith, Monsoor.

Anthony McAuliffe. Name familiar? It should be. Does the battle of the bulge ring a bell? The Germans had him and the 101st airborne surrounded. Wanted him to surrender. December 1944. The Germans weren’t taking prisoners. Practicality ruled.

McAuliffe looks at the German Colonel and, you know what he said. Don’t you Mr. Graham. Every American should know what he said.

Well, I same the same thing to Obama and his pack of thugs and thieves who are trying to steal my country.

Let’s all say the word together.

Nuts.

May 6, 2009 - 6:22 pm 98. Delia:

87. thirteen28:

“Determine what liberals fear – then do that, without mercy.”
~

Real facts and the truth are usually what the kool-aid imbibed ones fear the most which is why they try to subvert and divert critical questions with piles of b.s. or churlish personal attacks.

I wish I could be more like fred but I have a temper and there are days when I just blow a fuse and let ‘em have it, especially when I become one of their favorite ‘targets’ to spew at.

There have been a [very] few times when a Liberal posted here with genuine interest and willingness to debate without personal attacks and that was refreshing vs. the 0bot responses straight out of the S.A. playbook.

May 6, 2009 - 6:23 pm 99. Wallace:

You are using an incorrect analogy. It is about playing dirty. The correct one would be if the opposing baseball players (leftists) are using steroids, using corked bat and cheating. And the umpire (law enforcement)and the commentator (media) are helping them cheat. Yeah, you get a satisfaction keeping your moral standard and enjoy at losing. Alternatively, you can pull out of the game (get out of politics) and you give the opposing team the championship and the right to rule the diamond. Or you can play hardball. You are not deciding to copy the positive physical ability of the opponent, but their playing dirty. The change in the strategy has nothing to do with physical ability, but moral one.

May 6, 2009 - 6:50 pm 100. Fantom:

I do not know why any of you give the liberal/left here any play. They are less than human scum, ignore them and let us concentrate on what we need to do in order to secure a free place on this earth for humans.

Remember.. steeping in dog shit is something you can, like acknowledging a liberal, avoid.

May 6, 2009 - 7:10 pm 101. venividivici:

Take a walk through the company parking lot and through the company workstations, noting who has Obama stickers on their bumpers and Democratic campaign crap…”downsize” accordingly.

Yep. No conservative should be unemployed while a liberal has a job. They’re all cancers on society and the workplace anyway.

May 6, 2009 - 8:11 pm 102. Cybergeezer:

But Rap, body piercing, rad behavior, is KOOL, and what the home’s want.
Get wid it , bro!

May 6, 2009 - 8:23 pm 103. Bilgeman:

Has anyone else experienced that comments today have been as slow appearing as molasses in January?

As late as 7 pm Central Time, the last post I saw, on two diferent computers, one using IE and the other using Firefox, was steveg’s #89, time-stamped at 4.46 pm.

Strange, slow stuff.

May 6, 2009 - 8:39 pm 104. Bilgeman:

#91 BC:
“Hah! — the comments here by themselves undermine the whole sorry, DOA notion that the right has been the good guys. ”

Yes, the absence of YOUR comments answering the questions that comrade Herb at least tried is also very telling.

When I challenged you, you clammed up, and now here you are spewing nothing of the slightest redeeming substance, just your impotent and ignorant vitriol.

” Hank Hill may be a cartoon character, but he’s less of a cartoon than an Ann Coulter or Dick Chaney, and a heck of lot, LOT nicer.”

While I would tend to agree that cartoons are certainly a more apt form of entertainment for one of your mentality, I would caution that the Sunday night FOX animated line-up is probably FAR too nuanced for you.

You should stick to Nicktoons. And if you’re a good Liberal and don’t soil yourself, Mommy will bring you some yummy cookies and a glass of milk.

Won’t THAT be NICE?

May 6, 2009 - 8:51 pm 105. Bilgeman:

#95 steveg:
“The GOP may need to look back at what they did right in 1993 and 1994 as a blueprint for 2010.”

Isn’t that exactly what they’re hoping to do now?

Give the Dems the Congress and the White House, let them do their thing in pandering to their far outside-the-mainstream radical constituencies, and then wait for the inevitable popular backlash that blows them all right back into the minority, where they will languish for half a generation or more.

May 6, 2009 - 9:04 pm 106. Herb:

“84. CJ from Illinois:

you are a pathetic Liberal.”

Yes, I admit it. I’m a pathetic liberal.

“Now please type something intelligent and with some level or coherence.”

You mean like typing over and over about what a pathetic liberal someone is?

As to this nonsense: “when will you condemn the left wing groups anti-freedom, anti-american tactics?”

What do you mean? What groups? What tactics? You want me to condemn unnamed “left wing groups” for unnnamed “anti-freedom, anti-american tactics?” Why don’t you condemn them? Why do you need me to condemn them too? If I condemn them too, does that make them truly condemnable? If I too don’t condemn them sufficiently, does that mean they can’t be condemned? What will all this condemnation accomplish?

Seriously…You want me to type something intelligent? I ask you…how would you know if i I did???

“88. Ick:

Herb, the invective you spew all over this site is truly trollish.”

I think I’m supposed to feel insulted by this entry, but alas…I don’t. Must be my trollish nature and lack of education and general maturity. You got me pegged, Ick, you comment thread Freud you.

At least Bilgeman offers some substance to go with his liberal-bashing! I’m a firm believer than anyone can be bashed by substance.

“90. Bilgeman:

That 9 times out of 10, whatever Leftist meme is being breathlessly amplified over our polical landscape is nothing but the purest hogwash.”

Ah, yes, Bilgeman, this I can agree with. Most recent proof: Stripping Arlen Specter of his seniority. They welcome his party change (nakedly self-interested, by the way) with open arms…then hamstring the guy for not being loyal enough to the cause. (Which in Specter’s case is clearly Specter’s career.)

But I offer to you, that 9 time out of 10, whatever Right-wing meme is being breathlessly amplified over our political landscape is nothing but the purest hogwash too!

Going galt, tea parties, torture, birth certificates, drill baby drill, and on and on. It’s not a zero-sum game. Just because the left does some odious things doesn’t mean the right smells like roses, and vice versa.

May 7, 2009 - 12:42 am 107. Matt:

Ok, well, I was tending to go along with the ‘liberal tactics’, but I would like to thank this author for explaining exactly why I should not. But it would really feel good to give the liberal rabble a bit of their own medicine.

May 7, 2009 - 1:03 am 108. Ed Wallis:

Another take on why and how conservatives must take action now:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/wanted_political_counterterror.html

May 7, 2009 - 2:41 am 109. Steve:

We need liberals to fear us.

They will never agree with us.

Adam Graham is limp wristed fool.

May 7, 2009 - 3:28 am 110. njcommuter:

There are certain tactics of the Left that we should not use. One is lying and deceit. Another is covering up or ignoring criminal behavior (can you say “Charlie Rangel”). A third is the widespread threat of violence and the use of criminal behavior (like stealing newspapers) to silence the opposition.

What we should use: Prosecution of criminal behavior. Legal measures to force retractions, in appropriately visible places and forums. Appropriate sarcasm (“Is that why Bill Clinton did XYZ”–when Bill Clinton sure as hell did XYZ, and everybody knew it, until the MSM found something else to occupy their attention). Keeping track (“The university of DopeyVille has been prosecuted 27 separate times for 27 separate infringements of the free speech right of conservatives–and lost or settled every case.”) And above all, practicing what we preach.

May 7, 2009 - 5:05 am 111. njcommuter:

Oh–forgot the obvious. Parents who are thinking of sending their kids to a school should be made acutely aware of that school’s record on the suppression of the rights of speech and free assembly, and of the bias in that suppression.

May 7, 2009 - 5:07 am 112. Ick:

o.k. Troll. I wouldn’t expect you to be insulted. How can calling what you are be insulting, eh?

You speak of substance, but where is yours? You were asked to write something intelligent and coherent, but you have failed. Let’s give you another chance…

“Going galt, tea parties, torture, birth certificates, drill baby drill, and on and on. It’s not a zero-sum game. Just because the left does some odious things doesn’t mean the right smells like roses, and vice versa.”

Please present exactly why it is that “going galt,” “tea parties,” and “domestic drilling” are odious. And what exactly do you mean by “on and on?” Extra points if you are able to do it without being insulting. Good luck.

May 7, 2009 - 5:50 am 113. Ick:

Better yet Herbie, let’s see if you can stay on topic.

49:

Ya know, Adam, I was reading along, glad to hear someone talk about conservatism in principled terms rather than the juvenile “I know you are, but what am I?” nonsense that I usually see on PJM, but then I read this:

“Liberals receive training in obnoxious activism techniques and even receive scholarships and fellowships to hone their “craft.””

Um…no they don’t. I’ve been a liberal for quite some time and I still haven’t received my official “Liberal Indoctrination Kit.”

Now it’s possible that the Left(tm) doesn’t have my correct address, but I think it’s more likely that you’re making overbroad generalizations that veer quite a far ways from reality.

Here we have you claiming that you haven’t received your liberal indoctrination kit, extrapolating to the general, and claiming “No they don’t.” Going on to say Adam is making over generalizations, after your own over generalization, in the snarky immature manner in which you presented it, is pretty rich.

Why don’t you try it again? Pretend you’ve completed middle school. It really should be easy as Adam is indeed making over generalizations and providing no supporting links.

May 7, 2009 - 6:07 am 114. Bilgeman:

#106 Herb:
“But I offer to you, that 9 time out of 10, whatever Right-wing meme is being breathlessly amplified over our political landscape is nothing but the purest hogwash too!”

Not as much, perhaps 5 out of 10 in the political sphere, and the only nationwide conservative outlets seem to FOX News and talk radio,(which I don’t listen to).

Now on the business networks, I’d say it’s more 9.5 out of 10, since they’re such odious cheerleaders for their advertisers that they couldn’t recognize a real estate Ponzi scheme when they were neck-deep into it.

“Going galt, tea parties, torture, birth certificates, drill baby drill, and on and on.
It’s not a zero-sum game. Just because the left does some odious things doesn’t mean the right smells like roses, and vice versa.”

Interesting reply, though.

When you first engaged me, you challenged:

“Can the crux of your argument be summed up with “I know you are, but what am I?” or is there something more intelligent lurking under all that nonsense?”

And yet here you are basically saying:

“Well, YOU guys do it TOO!”.

So there we are…our absurd Terri Schiavo spectacle is supposed to be the equal of your “SElection 2000″ nonsense in it’s damaging effect on our country.

It’s okay Herb, I understand that you folks MEAN well…even when you don’t.

May 7, 2009 - 6:08 am 115. Dave:

It is not a matter of should we or should we not. It is a matter of can we, and the answer is no we cannot. The left and the Democrat operatives control a majority of the media and dishonestly spin for the left and attack conservatives. So the perception is incorrectly that the right is as dirty as the left no matter what we do. Its sad and destructive, but it is reality and it is how we ended up with a crypto-marxist extremist in the White house.

Our only choice is to work hard to be sure we are honest with our positions and go around and expose the left wing press. Eventually, the reality of how destructive the new social democratic ideology is will leave the lying left spin machine exposed.

May 7, 2009 - 7:04 am 116. sheesh:

I’m coming over to your side. I’ve seen the light and i want to know . . . What the hell is the world coming to:

Stormy Daniels running against David Vitter, and I like her chances..

A Zogby poll, commissioned by the conservative-leaning O’Leary Report, surveyed 3,937 voters and found 52 percent in favor of legalizing pot. Only 37 percent opposed.

Sarah Palin is no longer the most popular governor in the country. That title now belongs to Connecticut Republican Governor M. Jodi Rell. Sarah Palin is no longer the most popular politician in Alaska. Senator Lisa Murkowski is.

President Obama isn’t pandering to the Christian conservatives on this National Day of Prayer- a hallowed tradition that goes back to our founding fathers (at least the ones born in 1952).

Our Holy Father, Rupert Murdoch, saw operating profits at Fox News’ television segment, which includes its Fox broadcast network, plunge 99 percent last quarter, while operating profits at his newspaper division fall 97 percent to $7 million from $216 million a year earlier.

And poor Carrie PreJean. After a nude photo surfaced, despite her signing a pageant release claiming she had never taken such photos, this paragon of virtue and principle was forced to write a letter stating, “I shouldn’t have taken the photo of me in my underwear. There are no other photos of me. This was the only one I took.” And now a second photo surfaces. STOP ATTACKING THIS PURE YOUNG FANTASY!

Worst of all, it’s been TWO WHOLE DAYS since a Republican has apologized to Rush! TWO DAYS! That, my friends, is simply unacceptable.

We can’t sit by and let the Democrats do this to our Grand Old (and I do mean old) Party. In fact, I’m forming a “Lark In” where we can all roll up to the Capitol in our powered scooters and demand a government that responds to OUR demands:

#1 – Stop this unholy War on Christmas!
#2 – Remove flouride from our drinking water and replace it with Metamucil.
#3 – Hire Chuck Pelto to create a database documenting the libertine lifestyle of all Democrats.
#4 – Introduce a bill in the House that makes Jack Bauer a real person.
#5 – Make Tea Parties national holidays.
#6 – Plant 5,000 Liberty Trees on Sean Hannity’s Long Island oceanfront estate.
#7 – Encase Rush Limbaugh in brass and copper to capture exactly the magnitude of his greatness.
#8 – Distribute to every Republican a copy of “Who’s Nailin Palin” just so we can see what we’re up against.
#9 – Shut down every university except the 700 Club School of Divinity.
#10 – Exhume our fearless leader DOUBLE R and put him on permanent display on the 50-yard line at the new Dallas Cowboys Stadium.

I’m sure there are more . . . ooh, wait, make a flag you can see from space . . . entice Mexicans to provide for their family by raking my lawn (wait, we already do that) . . . oh! Send Glenn Beck to Pakistan so he can bring back “a story so shocking it will make blood shoot out of our eyes.” And of course, put Ann Coulter at the top of the list for gender reassignment surgery. She’s waited long enough.

is that too much to ask?

May 7, 2009 - 7:28 am 117. Pat J:

@86. CJ from Illinois:

“The ONLY reason that Joe the Plumber was attacked was because he made Obama look like the rookie and communist that he is.”

No. Sam the unlicensed tax-dodging faux-journalist homophobic Plumber was attacked because good old fashioned investigative journalism found out he wasn’t quite the middle class every man the Republicans tried and still try to make him out to be. Hey, but he’s your poor hero/victim, not mine.

“By the way, have you asked Obama how his tour of the 57 States of the Union are going?”
“Have you asked him if he has studied up on Austrian? (Don’t worry, I don’t expect a brainwashed, poorly informed Liberal to get this one)”
“Have you asked him how the dead Veterans in the crowd he was talking to are doing?”

Very good CJ. But you left out “Cinco de Cuatro.”

“Look how the left is making all efforts to destroy the Miss California lady, all becasue she dared to answer a question about homosexualy in a way that goes against Liberal “values”.”

I actually thought she gave a very brave answer and stuck to her belief system. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with that. Actually it’s pretty much Perez Hilton that made the big fuss. Lucky him. Until last week I never heard of this gay activist beauty pageant judge. The news commentators on the left are just milking it for all its worth since the right have now elevated her as some sort of “everywoman” of the Republican party. Of course now she’s become a spokesperson for the homophobes at the National Organization for Marriage. In other words, like Sam/Joe, she’s an opportunist and “phony.”

“Of course, the left wing militants and poorly informed, brainwashed kids who allow left wing radical professors to brainwashe them, will not question the tactics being used to silence those that disagree with the Liberal ideology. The poor saps will applaud the left wing tactics to take away Freedom of Speech through shame and person attacks that is employed by Liberal groups.”

Not being a left wing militant or poorly informed I for one support the First Amendment and want to allow Joe and Carrie to keep talking and doing what they’re doing. What terrific role models for the GOP. I expect to see both doing some teabagging in the near future.

May 7, 2009 - 8:01 am 118. Herb:

113. Ick:

I’m not sure exactly what you’re driving at. You seem to think that calling a generalization a generalization is a generalization in and of itself, which…okay then…if that’s the basis of your argument, then you win. Good for you.

Here’s your ribbon.

So while I’ll grant “liberals don’t receive training in obnoxious activism techniques” is just as much a generalization as “liberals receive training in obnoxious activism techniques,” one is clearly closer to the truth than the other.

114. Bilgeman:

“Not as much, perhaps 5 out of 10 in the political sphere…”

You’d really score it that low? How do you figure? Recently I saw Mitt Romney, the Great White Hope, speaking at a rebranding rally, saying that Republicans are “revolutionaries” and Democrats are “monarchists.”

Clearly he was speaking metaphorically, as there is no such thing as monarchists in this country and the “revolutionaries” the last few decades have been wearing Che Guevara T-shirts and whining about the G8.

And the “monarchists?” There are two men on the right who should never use that word: Mitt Romney and George W. Bush. After all, it’s a very monarchist idea that the son should wield his father’s power, no?

May 7, 2009 - 8:05 am 119. Roland:

Overly fine manners and failures to bark back are what have put Conservatives under the liberal thumb of political correctness. That one way street needs another lane added, in the opposite direction. We all needn’t be harsh and strident, but I’ll be damned if I’ll try to quiet a strong, harsh Conservative voice that generally shares my priciples.

May 7, 2009 - 9:22 am 120. Solo:

The republican party in general, and the conservative movement in particular, have been fighting this ideological battle by the application of the “Gentleman’s rules Of Fisticuffs” while the democrats have been fighting with brass knuckles and a straight razor.

We’ve been gradually losing this battle for decades. Playing “kissey face” with these leftists is getting us nowhere.

Wise up and learn to fight back! Fight for your liberty like a junk yard dog or lose it forever!

May 7, 2009 - 10:32 am 121. Ms. Attitude:

From what I’ve seen on here and other pages in order to act like a liberal all one needs to do is ridicule the ones you oppose and call them names (i.e: “you’re stupid”, “you can’t spell”, etc.).

The best defense is a good offense, just keep throwing facts at them, maybe one day they’ll check them out and realize they were wrong. Or to save face they’ll just call you stupid!

May 7, 2009 - 11:23 am 122. Bilgeman:

#118 Herb:
“Recently I saw Mitt Romney, the Great White Hope, speaking at a rebranding rally, saying that Republicans are “revolutionaries” and Democrats are “monarchists.””

In six months time, no one outside of his constituents, his partisans, or peculiar flavors of Liberal who attend GOP “re-branding” rallies,(??!!??), will recognize him as anything more than the proud support for a head of spectacular hair.

“You’d really score it that low? How do you figure?”

“Free” media available to the Right is limited, so the more crap that THEY spew, the less of it gets heard.
As opposed to the Left, where some anti-American neo-faux Marxist can fart, and the New York Times will “sell” it like Chanel #5, but on the editorial page as “Opinion and Commentary”.

“…as there is no such thing as monarchists in this country and the “revolutionaries” the last few decades have been wearing Che Guevara T-shirts and whining about the G8.”

Say…have you heard of the Kennedys?
now THERE’S a crew that neatly encapsulates both ends of your stated spectrum.

“There are two men on the right who should never use that word: Mitt Romney and George W. Bush. After all, it’s a very monarchist idea that the son should wield his father’s power, no?”

I asked the Gores,(Senior and Junior), that; and any number of Byrds, and also the Roosevelts…they said they’d get back to me.

May 7, 2009 - 12:06 pm 123. Blackwell:

116: Your politics need re working but that was terrific!

May 7, 2009 - 12:21 pm 124. Frank:

Webster’s definition of fascism: exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

Straight, non-edited, cut and paste from Websters.

I only provide this as an illustration of how liberals fight. This term was thrown around so wrecklessly for the apst 8 years it’s usefull meaning has been lost… so lost in fact that they can’t even recognize the genuine article they elected. Is it worth our while to even engage someone with such limited comprehension of plain language?

Going Galt, Tea parties, torture, drill baby drill, birth certificates? The philosophical underpinnings of these are all worthy debates. All you need is a worthy debater, not someone so dim he can call any of these issues extreme while believeing he has a clue as to what that term means.

Point is there are 2 reasons not to wrestle with a pig
1) you get all dirty and
2) the pig likes it.

May 7, 2009 - 12:36 pm 125. Ms. Attitude:

Another thing…why go back and forth with a liberal with name calling? If they aren’t offering a ligitimate argument just ignore them. When we respond it feeds them. When they get loud out in public or demonstrate, ignore them, change the channel when the media swoons all over them. But if they are willing to engage in adult conversation and to offer logical explanations for their argument then we should talk to them. We might be wrong, for the sake of our country I hope we are wrong about Obama, but no one is going to convince me that I am wrong by calling me a name!

May 7, 2009 - 1:19 pm 126. Herb:

“122. Bilgeman:

In six months time, no one outside of his constituents, his partisans, or peculiar flavors of Liberal who attend GOP “re-branding” rallies,(??!!??), will recognize him as anything more than the proud support for a head of spectacular hair.”

I agree! Mitt Romney seems like a very decent guy, but the dude is unfortunately stricken with a bad case of the phonies.

““Free” media available to the Right is limited, so the more crap that THEY spew, the less of it gets heard”

I don’t know… From my experience it seems that the right is terribly efficient at message management. They dominate talk radio. CNN and MSNBC wish they had the courage to be as nakedly partisan as Fox News. And look at Rush Limbaugh.

There is no one on the left, not Al Gore or Michael Moore, who commands that kind of respect. (Speaking of Michael Moore, I never hear anyone on the right shrugging at his nonsense, saying to themselves, “Ah well, he’s just an entertainer.” That is just weird to me.)

It’s also weird how Fox News, just to pull an example out of a hat, tries to play this game where they’re NOT biased, everyone else is, when it’s obvious to anyone with a brain that Fox News is just as biased as any other media outlet.

And as the hosts like to boast, Fox News has consistently better ratings that either CNN or MSNBC.

“Say…have you heard of the Kennedys?”
Yes, I have. I was born in 1976 so I missed John and Bobby completely. (For the record, John Kennedy has been dead for 46 years, his brother for 40.) Chappaquiddick happened in 1969.

We’re not talking about a dynasty in ascendancy here…we’re talking about ancient history to anyone under 30 years old.

By contrast, Bush has been out of power a little under four months and Mitt Romney may try to run again in 2012.

So what? Both parties have dynasties (another one on the Dem side would be the Udalls). Some are more recent than others.

May 7, 2009 - 1:38 pm 127. Herb:

“124. Frank:

Webster’s definition of fascism: exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.”

Jonah Goldberg called and he wants his thesis back.

PS. Fascism is a right-wing ideology. What was that about wrestling with pigs again?

May 7, 2009 - 1:39 pm 128. Just Passing Through:

116. sheesh:

This is a very disturbing glimpse into a paranoiac personality.

May 7, 2009 - 1:45 pm 129. Ick:

lol.

“I’m not sure exactly what you’re driving at. You seem to think that calling a generalization a generalization is a generalization in and of itself, which…okay then…if that’s the basis of your argument, then you win. Good for you.”

It appears to have gone completely over your head. Honestly Herb, I was presenting to you another opportunity to make your original point without including the mid school snark. Even gave you a place to start. Soft pitch, swing, miss!

May 7, 2009 - 2:49 pm 130. McBRIDE:

Herb fascism is by definition one very small step to the right of communism which is by definition one small step to the right of totalitarianism.Need a link you say?
Try http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kCD4nbrw&feature=Playlist&p=316DE51B4A59CE5B&ind.Educate yourself and stop parroting what some idiot lefty prof told you.If you attended a liberal arts college you were ripped off.

May 7, 2009 - 3:11 pm 131. McBRIDE:

Educate isn’t part of the link to the vid it’s the first word of the next sentence.Can’t take a trolls reading comp. for granted.

May 7, 2009 - 3:15 pm 132. Herb:

Ick,

What part of “you win. Good for you. Here’s your ribbon,” did you not understand? I mean, shouldn’t you be running around the playground giving everyone high fives about now? You beat Herb. You earned it, bud.

130. McBRIDE:

Hey, rhetoric goes a long ways. We used to call the boss a fascist when I worked at the phone company, and I’m sure I ran into more than a few fascist teachers back in the day.

But historically…historically fascism was a right-wing movement. They were rabidly anti-communist, and really really hated liberals.

Here’s a little quote from Mussolini from an essay called “The Doctrine of Fascism.”
“Fascism is definitely and absolutely opposed to the doctrines of liberalism, both in the political and economic sphere.”

Sound like anyone you know?

May 7, 2009 - 3:49 pm 133. Bilgeman:

#126 Herb:
“I don’t know… From my experience it seems that the right is terribly efficient at message management.”

That is a necessary function of facing a MSM that is biased against you.
The adversarial relationship is what keeps the Right wing, (broadly speaking), more honest.

Now in the context of American politics, that’s not exactly something to be inordinately proud of,(rather like bringing the body of the rabbit you shot to a taxidermist to have it stuffed and mounted for display on the wall of your den. but as long as the other chap…that would be the Democrats… is having the carcass of the squirrel his neighbor ran over in his hybrid preserved for the same purpose, you look like less of a d!ck.)

“CNN and MSNBC wish they had the courage to be as nakedly partisan as Fox News.”

Exsqueeze me? MSNBC wishes it was partisan as Fox News?

MSNBC is, and was, High Definition Liberal Media Bias…Keith Olbermann would have GLADLY coughed up BOTH of his kidneys for the opportunity to grovel at the Alleged Hawaiian’s feet.

CBS…the perch from which Katie Couric blatantly tried to torpedo Sarah Palin, (I wonder why she never took her nail file to the hair transplant plugged nugget of Joe Biden? You think the Obama people kept Biden locked, Gimp-like, in someone’s cellar? Or did Katie’s producers think ole Joe would have been too much for her to handle?).
And the Eye was the fountain of BS that was the chosen conduit for the TANG memo forgeries that were supposed to derail W’s second term.

NBC…the kennel from which Chris Matthews tells the world about the Obamathrills that run up and down his leg. (Too DAMNED Much Information, Chris!)

ABC…Nothing particularly noteworthy comes to mind, except for their owning and airing “The View”…a daily show that features the travails of a scrumptuously wholesome conservative woman, (Elisabeth Hasselbeck), held hostage on a studio set with 3 multi-ethnic Liberal harpies.
(It used to be 2 Liberal Harpies and an Ogre, but they got rid of the Ogre).

“And as the hosts like to boast, Fox News has consistently better ratings that either CNN or MSNBC.”

One would think that someone in the other networks would glom to the revolutionary idea that Fox is doing something RIGHT…and would at least emulate them so as not to cede the entire market audience to the one network where Leftist Groupthink doesn’t ooze out of your TeeVee and stain your carpet.

Alas, no. They either can’t break free of their indoctrination, or perhaps it’s just that by and large, people who work in network journalism aren’t very smart.

Which brings us to:

The Kennedys

“We’re not talking about a dynasty in ascendancy here…we’re talking about ancient history to anyone under 30 years old.”

They’re not moribund yet, witness “Clueless Caroline”,(Wannabe-NY). She merely mentions that she, uh, you know, would like, ummmm, to maybe, ahhh, be the senator, like, uhhh, that Hillary Clinton dame…and voila!

We has a front-runner!

Remember that bit I said a about a neo-Marxist farting?
(And I’m not being unfair to her, I actually did read her book, “In Our Defense”, years ago.
It was rectum-clenching…seriously).

That’s one slack-jawed smacktard, here’s the other:

Joe P. Kennedy Jr. and his bestest buddy in the whole wide world, Socialist Hugo Chavez of Venezuela, (the guy who stole Citgo from it’s owners, and now subsidizes frigid Yankees with heating oil so they’ll vote for Joe…somehow, this is supposed to help the exploited workers of Venezuela).

And all the rest of the detestable Kennedy Klan, who issue forth like Orcs in Middle-Earth, only harder to spot as the pestiferous critters that they really are.

“So what? Both parties have dynasties (another one on the Dem side would be the Udalls)”

The Udalls! Thanks for reminding me! I had the Gores and the Byrds…couldn’t think of any others off the top of my head, but let’s be honest, the rest of the hereditary politicians are as hobbits compared to those horrid Kennedy people…and the Lord High Orc of them all, Ted Kennedy.

To be fair, though, we all owe Teddy a great debt of gratitude,since he mounted a primary campaign in 1980 that so damaged Carter that the Age of Reagan was made possible.

May 7, 2009 - 3:56 pm 134. sheesh:

123. Blackwell: sheesh 116: . . . “Your politics need re working but that was terrific!”

I’m going to take this in the spirit in which it appears to have been given and use it to make a point. Blackwell is able to look past ideological differences and appreciate the value of an entertaining, albeit opposing, point of view. That tells me more about Blackwell than his politics tell me. It won’t win Blackwell any fans on this site, but it’s an opinion that rings true. I respect that. The opposite of Blackwell is:

128. Just Passing Through: 116. sheesh: . . .”This is a very disturbing glimpse into a paranoiac personality.”

Nonsense. There’s nothing “paranoiac” about my post. It’s simply a statement of philosophical beliefs constructed in an entertaining way. I’m under no delusion that I will change anyone’s mind here, nor will any of you. I’m in this for the fun. And if some of you haters out there were honest with yourselves, you’d agree that I crank out some damn fine sarcasm. Will you admit that? I don’t care.

Now, let’s hear some more from you folks about Mensa and penis size and birth certificates and old slave owners in powdered wigs and how Colin Powell is a cowardly loser. I’m fired up!

May 7, 2009 - 4:00 pm 135. fred:

Much confusion in the last sixty years or so has happened because the socialists appropriated the descriptor “liberal.” So much so that the original meaning of the term has almost been lost. They appropriated this label for themselves in order to cover up who they really were. But classical liberalism is completely opposed to socialism/Marxism.

Mussolini, of course, was opposed to liberals. He understood the accurate meaning of the term. He was originally, and remained to the core, a socialist (so was Hitler).

I don’t think people like Rush Limbaugh help matters by continuing to prolong the fiction that liberals have concocted about themselves. From time to time fans of his (and I listen to Rush sometimes and agree with him a lot, just not about this)will remind him of the misnomer. But he refuses to reverse course in terminology.

Everyone, read Jonah Goldberg’s book, “Liberal Fascism.” It will open your eyes and cause you to re-think many taken for granted myths.

May 7, 2009 - 4:03 pm 136. ReB:

When I try to converse with liberals, they usually push slogans, putdowns, interupt, call those they dislike by foul names, and won’t listen to my side of the story. Thus they don’t answer my points (maybe they don’t have an answer). But a man convinced against his will is ov the same opinion still. Nobody is convinced of your wisdom by being beat up. If they have enough integrity to accept truth, then you have an even chance. We will not gain anything by being nasty. Good manners just might be noticed by some of them.

May 7, 2009 - 4:08 pm 137. steveg:

#133 Bilgeman…Probably the most telling statement in the history of our esteemed left-wing media, came from Chris Matthews also. His statement went something like, “I will do everything possible, to make sure the Obama presidency is successful.” Fox News is biased, MSNBC is off the scale biased.

May 7, 2009 - 6:06 pm 138. myth buster:

FOX’s profits may be way down, but at least they aren’t losing money like the New York Times is. FOX News beats the ratings of all other news networks combined. Bill O’Reilly’s rerun beats most liberal commentators’ first showing. The only reason FOX profits are down is because the price of commercials has dropped across the board due to the economy.

As for growing a Jack Bauer, I contemplated that once and realized that not only is the technology required at least five years away, but even once we invent the technology, the things Project Bauer would be required to do to create a super agent are stomach turning. We’d have to inject the subject with nanites, subject him to all manner of torture, suppress his emotions, train him to kill ruthlessly, and then once he has become a ruthless killing machine with super human strength and increased speed, endurance and recovery, we have to be willing to use him.

May 7, 2009 - 6:33 pm 139. myth buster:

The key thing this article is saying is that you can’t copy your opponent’s tactics and expect to win if your opponent is better at those tactics than you are. We should throw down the gauntlet, yes, but we must do things we actually know how to do. Marines kick ass, but I don’t expect them to duel a samurai with a katana. We need to fight with our best tactics and strategy. That means organizing at churches, taking to the streets, showing our anger, and acting upon it. We also need to defund the liberal groups.

May 7, 2009 - 6:39 pm 140. Frank:

Ok Herb, whatever you say. Even though no serious scholar gave even a hint of a reasonable refutation of Goldberg’s work, which, again, helps prove my point, with your type it’s more about the perjorative as a tactic than as a true descriptive. A little more help for ya old buddy, I’ll type slowly…
Cambridge dictionary: the right (POLITICS), the Right group noun [S] political parties or people that have traditional opinions, and who believe in low taxes, private ownership of property and industry, and less help for the poor:

I can live with that probably more comfortably than you can with all the “good” liberals foisted on the poor with the great society programs. Excuse me, I forgot, with you guys it’s not about the results but the good itentions. It is charitable to assume liberals truly wanted to help the poor when you see the actual results, millions more government dependents; an institutionalized and beholden voting block.

May 7, 2009 - 7:09 pm 141. sheesh:

138. myth buster: . . . “FOX News beats the ratings of all other news networks combined.”

Now, I hate to make an example out of you . . . OK, I don’t mind at all . . . but you should really check out this link to see how ridiculous your statement is. (Yeah, it’s good to be a liberal.) Go ahead, click the link and then come back here . . . I’ll help you pick out a new screen name.

http://www.journalism.org/node/1363

May 7, 2009 - 7:16 pm 142. Heffalumps & Woozles:

141. sheesh: “Now, I hate to make an example out of you . . . OK, I don’t mind at all . . . but you should really check out this link to see how ridiculous your statement is. (Yeah, it’s good to be a liberal.) Go ahead, click the link and then come back here . . . I’ll help you pick out a new screen name.”

She/He meant cable news and you know it, sheesh, dispute those facts with another link please. Here let me help you out, it’s also far more current than your link.

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/ratings/the_scoreboard_tuesday_may_5_115988.asp

Your sarcasm is fine … pat on the back. Better?
“#6 – Plant 5,000 Liberty Trees on Sean Hannity’s Long Island oceanfront estate.”

Made me think of the hypocrisy of the Kennedy family oceanfront compound or is that where you got the Hannity idea, my mistake.

Why do you take issue with the tea parties is beyond me for it’s a constitution right to do as they did, against laws are we? Maybe after watching MSNBC hearing about tea-bagging you rushed down in the hopes it was still going on and were disappointed in the inaccuracy of information given? Was Olbermannless there with a dumbfounded look on his face as well?

May 8, 2009 - 2:33 am 143. Ick:

Nice try sheesh. Your link provides a pretty picture illustrating viewship for primetime. But, as is often the case, you just looked at the pretty picture and didn’t read the caption:

But as cable news is always on, polls show more people say they “regularly” get news from cable.

May 8, 2009 - 5:13 am 144. marc:

Holier than thou? Nothing wrong with using some of their methods. Maybe the Republican party should stop trying to be democrat Marxists and step aside if they can’t help us take our country back.

May 8, 2009 - 6:21 am 145. sheesh:

143. Ick: . . . Terrific. Keep that up. Hey, did you know that you actually won the election with McCain? It’s true! The Republicans who voted for McCain had been Republican voters all their lives. Obama got a lot of first-time voters and independent voters. So, really, when you think about it, McCain won. Bastards!

May 8, 2009 - 6:28 am 146. Bilgeman:

#134 blog-slave:
“And if some of you haters out there were honest with yourselves, you’d agree that I crank out some damn fine sarcasm. Will you admit that? I don’t care.”

Oh, little mutated freak, This paragraph is just so pathetic, it mewls like the bastard love-child of Stuart Smiley and Sally Fields.

“I will NOT beat myself up!” crossed with “You LIKE me! You REALLY LIKE ME!”.

You care so VERY much that it’s quite disturbing, frankly.

But the answer to your question is:

No.

Your feeble attempts at sarcasm are amusing only for their flaccidity and ineptness.

Rather like watching the palsied play basketball, or the morbidly obese having intercourse.

It’s revolting and hilarious in equal measure.

May 8, 2009 - 6:53 am 147. sheesh:

146 Bilgetwink . . . It’s the money. It frustrates you I’m sure. I mean, no need for health insurance or life insurance. No need for car insurance (I self bond . . . I got more speeding tickets than . . . let’s see, what would you relate to . . . .ah . . . I’ve got more speeding tickets than carter has pills.) The fact that I get up and do whatever I feel like every day is obviously a sore point for you. (That makes two sore points for you, but as you know, you have to pay for your choices. Next time consider taking a Wet One along.)

Consider this, I got more money than I could ever spend. I didn’t inherit it. I worked for it and got lucky. Do I have a big house? Yes. Do I have a garage full of muscle cars? Yes. Do I travel at will? Yes. I’ve bought houses for family and treat friends to stupidly expensive vacations. Do I ever have to work again? No. Now pay close attention here: I don’t care if Obama raises my marginal rate 3%. I’ll be fine. Won’t feel a thing. Frankly, all the other rich people in this country will be fine, too. It’s the working people who got the shaft with Bush tax cuts.

Obama comes along and says he’s going to stop the gravy train the rich have been on and help the rest of the country, and you idiots rush the stage with “Oh no you won’t!” You’re listening to rich people tell you that you should help them keep their money, that you should reject Obama and his tax cuts for working Americans. You know what we here in the lap of luxury call somebody like that? A sucker.

Now, you have your own reasons for earning that particular appellation. And I’m sure all those years of swabbing and fellating at sea have earned you tremendous respect in ports of call around the world. While you may not have achieved financial independence, while you may be forever shackled to “the system” you so loudly decry, you’ll always have Subic Bay.

BTW, I’ve never watched morbidly obese people having intercourse. What’s it like?

May 8, 2009 - 7:07 am 148. Bilgeman:

#147 blog-slave:
“BTW, I’ve never watched morbidly obese people having intercourse. What’s it like?”

Very much like watching you mentally walking around your house, cataloging your wonderful things, and vouching for your wonderful life.

Reminds me very much of the movie “The Jerk”, when Steve Martin’s character Navin got thrown out of his hotel room, and made sure to grab his blanket and his chair and his thermos.

FWIW, I don’t believe a word of it, but it IS entertaining, in a stultifying sort of way.

May 8, 2009 - 8:06 am 149. sheesh:

148 Bulgetwink . . . Believe it. You can take it to the bank, know what I’m sayin? And why do you choose to watch fat people humping? I just don’t see the entertainment value in that. I mean, I’m sure there’s a lot of twisted fetishes out there weider than, I don’t know, what do you call what you have? Fatophelia? Chubby Sanchez? Sill, it seems pretty strange.

May 8, 2009 - 8:31 am 150. Ick:

Nice sarcasm sheesh. I can only think that it is self-parody though. I wasn’t the one shifting the goal posts around in order to draw the conclusion I wanted. But hey, if you can’t laugh at yourself, who can you laugh at?

May 8, 2009 - 9:03 am 151. AThinkingPerson:

Re #134: “Now, let’s hear some more from you folks about Mensa and penis size and birth certificates and old slave owners in powdered wigs and how Colin Powell is a cowardly loser. I’m fired up!”

This is your average TeleBama voter. Yet more racist talk from the race-baiters. So typical.

May 8, 2009 - 9:51 am 152. deguello:

#134 SEESH. What are you fired up on? HaSHEESH? I’d refer you to the Betty Ford clinic,but I think that letting you post while stoned, serves to elucidate the typical liberal hatred of reality,reason and sense,for PJM readers. Keep posting!

May 8, 2009 - 10:09 am 153. Someone75:

And you guys would definitely know about playing dirty. May I introduce you to one Karl Rove? Remember the incident with McCain and Bush? Charges of an illegitimate love child? Anyone?

May 8, 2009 - 10:45 am 154. Herb:

133. Bilgeman:

“MSNBC is, and was, High Definition Liberal Media Bias.”

No doubt Olberrmann, Matthews, Maddow are all partisan lefties. My point is this: It’s terribly disingenuous to decry CNN, MSNBC, or any of the other networks for being politically biased while simultaneously excusing the political bias of Fox News.

This is what I mean:

“One would think that someone in the other networks would glom to the revolutionary idea that Fox is doing something RIGHT…”

As you say, Fox News is “doing something RIGHT” by being biased, but there’s something unconscionable about MSNBC/CNN doing the same for their side?

Perhaps the objection isn’t the existence of bias, just that it’s the wrong kind of bias.

I’m sorry, but those complaints have no merit. Once you accept bias from your side…you can’t really complain about bias from the other side, right?

For my money, I think Olbermann is as annoying as Hannity and I’m not about to say one justifies the other. They’re both biased partisans and neither speak for me.

As for this…
“They’re not moribund yet, witness “Clueless Caroline”,(Wannabe-NY).”

Well, Clueless Caroline may have been the front runner in the media, but David Patterson has said he never seriously considered her and in the end, he didn’t pick her anyway.

Let’s no confuse ambition with accomplishment. It remains true that the Kennedy family’s height of power ended 4 decades ago. You wouldn’t argue that the Detroit Lions have a dominant running game because Barry Sanders was on the squad ten years ago, would you?

Things change.

“140. Frank:

Ok Herb, whatever you say. Even though no serious scholar gave even a hint of a reasonable refutation of Goldberg’s work, which, again, helps prove my point…”

Ya know, Frank, it’s funny you say that. If I showed you a scholar that refuted Goldberg’s book (and there are many), you could always say, “Well, they’re not a serious scholar.” And then if I did find a scholar that fit your definition of “serious,” then you could always say the refutation isn’t “reasonable.”

At any rate, try this criticism on for size:

http://amconmag.com/article/2008/jan/28/00028/

From The American Conservative, you know, another MSM publication with a liberal bias problem.

May 8, 2009 - 11:36 am 155. Herb:

“151. AThinkingPerson:

This is your average TeleBama voter.”

What’s TeleBama? A phone company in Alabama? How’s their balance sheet? Should I buy some stock?

Oooooooh, wait, I get it…It’s a snarky name for Obama. So clever…so cocooned!

Do you giggle every time you say that?

May 8, 2009 - 11:43 am 156. Bilgeman:

#154 Herb:
“As you say, Fox News is “doing something RIGHT” by being biased, but there’s something unconscionable about MSNBC/CNN doing the same for their side?”

Ahhh, I see. When I said doing something Right, I also meant in the contexts of doing something that draws and keeps an audience, and theteby makes money.

And let’s be fair here, The Left gets free biased media from MSNBC and CNN, as well as the three “antenna networks”, plus the farm-team at PBS and NPR.

So it’s 2-1 in cable, 5-1 in networks, and then the “AAA-ball” of the subsidized organs…
but Fox News is “the Borg”?

And Talk Radio needs to have a “Fairness Doctrine” muzzle placed on it?

C’mon, dude!

Your so distorted that it should be embarrassing for you.

May 8, 2009 - 12:51 pm 157. Herb:

“156. Bilgeman:

Your so distorted that it should be embarrassing for you.”

You type this AFTER you typed this?

“The Left gets free biased media from MSNBC and CNN, as well as the three “antenna networks”, plus the farm-team at PBS and NPR.”

Bilgeman, Bilgeman, Bilgeman. Do you know how to calculate the mean of a set? If we were to chart these news outlets from left to right on a line, giving them a value, what do you think that would look like?

MSNBC would be on the far left, Fox News on the far right, and all the other outlets you mentioned would fall somewhere in the middle. The mean would be one of your other “far left” outlets, maybe ABC or CBS. Guaranteed, though, that it won’t be MSNBC or Fox News.

If every network but Fox News is to the left of you, you might want to consider that you might be a little too far right. That would be the intelligent thing to do, no?

The non-intelligent thing to do is to start slamming the majority of news outlets for being ultra left, many of which at least try to be objective or give a fair hearing to both sides. (After all, it wasn’t that long ago that Glenn Beck’s show was on CNN, the Communist News Network. Ask yourself: Would Fox News give Olbermann a show?)

May 8, 2009 - 1:39 pm 158. sheesh:

156 Sumppump . . . OK, you’re on record . . . Fox News is not fair and balanced. Fox News is biased. Herb’s work here has not been in vain. You’re drifting to the left. Go with it. Ride the steel breeze, 3000. But don’t tune out Fox just yet. I hear Bill O’Reilly is gonna run graphic footage tonight of fat people humping as part of his expose “The Immorality of Showing Fat People Humping on TV – The Next MSM Scandal.” Set your TIVO.

May 8, 2009 - 1:44 pm 159. Bilgeman:

#157 Herb:
“Ask yourself: Would Fox News give Olbermann a show?)”

They give Geraldo Rivera a show on Saturdays or Sunday nights, (don’t recall which). And they gave Allan Colmes half a show, with “The O’Reilly Factor” as lead-in.

Would CNN give Ann Coulter a show in prime time?

“Bilgeman, Bilgeman, Bilgeman. Do you know how to calculate the mean of a set?”

Why, yes. I do.

“If we were to chart these news outlets from left to right on a line, giving them a value, what do you think that would look like?

MSNBC would be on the far left, Fox News on the far right, and all the other outlets you mentioned would fall somewhere in the middle. The mean would be one of your other “far left” outlets, maybe ABC or CBS. ”

Nope…I don’t think it would look like that at all.

It would look more like this:

MSNBC…NBC.CBS.ABC.CNN.PBS+………………FOX

(Hope that translates graphically onto the comments page)

Where’s the mean of bias in THAT set?

“If every network but Fox News is to the left of you, you might want to consider that you might be a little too far right. That would be the intelligent thing to do, no?”

Really?

Then let’s chart your bias mean again…and use only the 24 hour Cable News and Commentary networks:

MSNBC…CNN.HLN……..+…………………FOX

Now let’s use the statistic that REALLY counts: which network leads the ratings?

The ratings numbers used by all the networks are the same.
So, it’s not that the people are too far to the Right, but the MSM is too far to the Left.

May 8, 2009 - 4:34 pm 160. Just Passing Through:

147:

‘Consider this, I got more money than I could ever spend. I didn’t inherit it. I worked for it and got lucky. Do I have a big house? Yes. Do I have a garage full of muscle cars? Yes. Do I travel at will? Yes.’

I think you’re a liar. You spend hours every day here writing nonsense that is so off the wall that it indicates you must spend more hours on moon bat sites gathering it. Those are the habits of someone in a dead end job, or no job at all, with no way to underwrite any quality leisure time. They are certainly not the habits of someone with no job but a lot of money, responsibilities, and a garage full of muscle cars.

May 8, 2009 - 4:36 pm 161. Bilgeman:

#169 JPT:
“They are certainly not the habits of someone with no job but a lot of money, responsibilities, and a garage full of muscle cars.”

The blog-slave must have misspoke himself.

He doesn’t have a garage full of muscle cars, he has a public restroom full of muscled MEN.

Oh…and his blanket…and this lamp…and this chair…and his Thermos…

https://dvd.easycinema.com/easy/images/products/9/3099-large.jpg

That’s my mutated freak of a blog-slave.

May 8, 2009 - 6:05 pm 162. sheesh:

160 just passing through . . . Think what you like. Everybody has the right to be wrong. You really WANT it to be a lie. It’s the same gnawing resentment and jealousy exhibited by BM3K. Here’s the key question: How would you know?

May 8, 2009 - 6:10 pm 163. sheesh:

119. Roland: . . . Overly fine manners and failures to bark back are what have put Conservatives under the liberal thumb of political correctness.

Sheer delusion. Don’t take my word for it:

In Virginia bogus fliers with an authentic-looking commonwealth seal said fears of high voter turnout had prompted election officials to hold two elections – one on Tuesday for Republicans and another on Wednesday for Democrats….

The Bush White House asked the Department of Justice to look into whether 200,000 new Ohio voters must reconfirm their registration information before Nov. 4, after the Supreme Court ruled it was not necessary.

The October surprise. People affiliated with the Reagan campaign encourage Iran not to release the hostages prior to the election with the promise of unfreezing Iranian assets. Carter debate briefing book ends up in the hands of the Reagan campaign. Ah, the Holy Actor.

Three Putnam County voters in Charleston said electronic voting machines changed their votes from Democrats to Republicans.

Nevada Republican Party Chairwoman Sue Lowden sent a letter to Secretary of State Ross Miller, asking him to bar certain voters from casting ballots.

Supposedly acting independently, Nixon supporters in the “China lobby” encourage South Vietnam to drag its feet in peace talks with the promise of getting a better deal from Nixon.

The owner of a firm that the California Republican Party hired to register tens of thousands of voters this year was arrested in Ontario on suspicion of voter registration fraud.

Tens of thousands of eligible Democratic New York voters in at least six swing states have been removed from the rolls or have been blocked from registering in ways that appear to violate federal law.

McCain is a very good friend and has accepted $5000 in donations from a convicted felon who planned murders and bombings and who said “Now if the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you and they are bearing arms, resist them with arms. Go for a head shot; they’re going to be wearing bulletproof vests, kill the sons of bitches.”…

The machines in question have had numerous failures, most recently in the February presidential primary, which saw marked discrepancies in vote tallies, computer science professor Ed Felten said in an interview with The Daily Princetonian shortly after the primary last February…

Republcians try to remove 6,000 registered voters from the rolls. Christopher Muste, an assistant professor of political science at the University of Montana who teaches American politics, considers the Republicans’ behavior to be worse than voter intimidation, which involves direct threats and coercion. The Republicans’ approach involves going straight to election officials to try to clear voters from registration rolls in those counties.

Six Alaska lawmakers filed an emergency appeal Friday asking the state’s Supreme Court to halt an investigation into abuse-of-power allegations against Gov. Sarah Palin before the findings are released next week.

A group financially bankrolled by Bush money men run ads smearing the military record of Kerry. An apparently inauthentic version of Bush’s national guard documents is used to sandbag CBS in an effort to both distract attention from the substance of the story and make it appear as if the Kerry campaign is engaged in dirty tricks.

Stephen Spoonamore, former CEO of Cybrinth, specialist in data management and remote electronic monitoring, and card-carrying member of the GOP, explained in a series of You Tube videos how Diebold e-voting machines can be hacked. He later admitted vote theft in a deposition.

Until last fall, 74-year-old Kathleen Prescod of Bensalem never had missed voting in a general election. That streak ended after the retired hospital worker’s polling place was moved from her apartment complex.

Bush debate material is sent to Gore’s campaign in an effort to make it appear as if Gore is spying on Bush. Bush’s cousin calls race for Bush on Faux, leading other networks to follow suit, prematurely.

Seven of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin’s top aides defied subpoenas for their testimony Friday into possible abuse of power by the governor.

A Republican county clerk admitted Wednesday of falsely informing Colorado College that students from outside the state could not register to vote…

Republican Gov. Haley Barbour agreed Thursday to move a special election for Trent Lott’s old Senate seat to near the top of the November ballot.

The chairman of the Republican Party in Macomb County, Michigan, a key swing county in a key swing state, used a list of foreclosed homes to block people from voting in the upcoming election..

The College RNC has raised $6.3 million this year through an aggressive and misleading fund-raising campaign that collected money from senior citizens who thought they were giving to the election efforts of President Bush and other top Republicans. Many of the top donors were in their 80s and 90s. The donors wrote checks — sometimes hundreds and, in at least one case, totaling more than $100,000 — to groups with official sounding-names such as ‘Republican Headquarters 2004,’ ‘Republican Elections Committee’ and the ‘National Republican Campaign Fund.’ But all of those groups, according to the small print on the letters, were simply projects of the College Republicans.

Lakewood Republican Randall Wagner, 50, stealing campaign signs late one night got nabbed when he ran across a low- hanging driveway chain, fell face first onto a pilfered sign and the concrete and knocked himself unconscious.

Campaign mail with a return address of the Republican National Committee warned West Virginia voters that the Bible will be prohibited and men will marry men if liberals win in November. The literature showed a Bible with the word “BANNED” across it and a photo of a man, on his knees, placing a ring on the hand of another man with the word “ALLOWED.”

The Watergate break-in and related buggings. Ficticious letters such as the “Canuck letter” smearing various Democratic candidates. An effort to plant McGovern literature at the residence of George Wallace’s assailant.

Willie Horton ads. Rumors are spread that there was something wrong with Dukakis’ mental state and that Kitty Dukakis once burned an American flag. Neither are true.

Thousands of Florida voters are wiped from the voting rolls by Bush’s brother’s administration.

Karl Rove bugged his own campaign office in 1986 in Texas, and then tried to blame the Democrats.

I think that last one is my favorite.

And your worried about mustard? Mustard for god’s sake!

May 8, 2009 - 7:00 pm 164. Heffalumps & Woozles:

Here is the actually IFC link, more lies to the leftist thinker.

http://www.imao.us/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/media_project_poll_info.pdf

Go figure the left finds Keith “The Sleaze” Olberman most trusted. Stephen Colbert on his comedy program was found to be more trusted than Chris Matthews. Did you too fall out of your chair laughing as I did. If you get a chill up your leg that’s normal if it’s your left arm then worry.

May 8, 2009 - 8:03 pm 165. Just Passing through:

I don’t care enough to ‘WANT’ it to be a lie. And I obviously can’t know for sure that you are a liar on this subject. But I think you are for several reasons. I think you are a liar on this subject because I’ve observed you lying on so many other subjects. There is a pattern. Lies come easy to you. I also think you are lying on this subject because no one who has achieved the success by hard work or luck that you claim spends so much of his leisure time playing the fool. Losers do that. Not people of means.

Finally, people who own ‘muscle cars’ don’t call them that. They call them classic cars. That was the dead giveaway that you are fantasizing. The delusion that anyone reading your fantasizing feels any ‘gnawing jealousy and resentment’ rather than immediately seeing it for the nonsense it is does not indicate a well grounded personality.

May 8, 2009 - 9:29 pm 166. Bilgeman:

Offered the blog-slave as evidence of something or other:

“Campaign mail with a return address of the Republican National Committee warned West Virginia voters that the Bible will be prohibited and men will marry men if liberals win in November. The literature showed a Bible with the word “BANNED” across it and a photo of a man, on his knees, placing a ring on the hand of another man with the word “ALLOWED.””

Now THAT’S what I call dirty pool!

I mean, coming right out and graphically depicting the Liberal’s radical political agenda so blatantly like that.

And I noticed that the election returns placed West-by-Gawd-Virginia in the Red column, so it must have WORKED.

Which is what really makes it so eeeeeevil and unfair.

In fact, that’s a great idea for a bumper sticker…just put “Vote Democrat” along the top above the two graphics.

May 9, 2009 - 6:27 am 167. G Alston:

#166 — “The literature showed a Bible with the word “BANNED” across it and a photo of a man, on his knees, placing a ring on the hand of another man with the word “ALLOWED.””

And the problem is… ??

May 9, 2009 - 7:14 am 168. sheesh:

165. Just Passing through: . . . “Finally, people who own ‘muscle cars’ don’t call them that.”

You’re an idiot. Everybody I know calls them that. I call them that. How many restos have you done? I’ve done four . . . a 72 Lemans, a 69 Firebird 400 (actually a 406 now), a 71 Super Bee (not really a Hemi guy, but I had to try one), and a 69 Judge. As you can see I have a penchant for ponchos. Did it all . . . full on rotisserie restos, everything but the mill work. (I have the room and the time for it, know what I’m sayin?) The fact that I come here to tweak the self righteous zenophobic Jesus freaks of the world is just another hobby for me.

So, next time you want to spout off about what’s believable, you might want to have somebody else write it . . . you can hop in your Nissan pickup and just keep passing through . . . and ponder this one again . . . Karl Rove bugged his own campaign office in 1986 in Texas, and then tried to blame the Democrats.

You gotta love that Republican high road.

May 9, 2009 - 7:52 am 169. Herb:

“159. Bilgeman:

Now let’s use the statistic that REALLY counts: which network leads the ratings?

The ratings numbers used by all the networks are the same.
So, it’s not that the people are too far to the Right, but the MSM is too far to the Left.”

There’s a small problem with your “The high ratings for Fox proves that all the other networks are far too left.”

If you were to add up the ratings of ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN, NPR, and PBS….Fox News’ share looks awfully small.

May 9, 2009 - 7:52 am 170. Bilgeman:

“The chairman of the Republican Party in Macomb County, Michigan, a key swing county in a key swing state, used a list of foreclosed homes to block people from voting in the upcoming election..”

And again, if the residence has been foreclosed upon, then the ex-residents no longer legally reside there, and are thus no longer eligible to vote in that precinct.

But let’s not let a little thing like the law stand in the way of the latest Glorious Leftist Revolution.

May 9, 2009 - 8:07 am 171. Bilgeman:

“Until last fall, 74-year-old Kathleen Prescod of Bensalem never had missed voting in a general election. That streak ended after the retired hospital worker’s polling place was moved from her apartment complex.”

So if Mohammed can’t come to the mountain, we need to bring the mountain to Mohammed?

Hey…she could have gotten on her “free” mobility scooter that “W”’s Medicare reforms pay for and ambulated over to the polling place…or vote absentee from the comfort of her sofa, and not even miss a single episode of “The Price Is Right”.

May 9, 2009 - 8:11 am 172. sheesh:

161. Bilgeman:
He doesn’t have a garage full of muscle cars, he has a public restroom full of muscled MEN.

Chuck Pelto, you should really call your BFF to task for such scurrilous opinioinating. It’s shameful, isn’t it?

May 9, 2009 - 8:14 am 173. Ick:

Sheesh:

“Nevada Republican Party Chairwoman Sue Lowden sent a letter to Secretary of State Ross Miller, asking him to bar certain voters from casting ballots.”

Hmmm. Would these be the “certain voters” in question?

ROTFLMAO.

Again, nice try sheesh.

May 9, 2009 - 8:14 am 174. Bilgeman:

“Three Putnam County voters in Charleston said electronic voting machines changed their votes from Democrats to Republicans.”

Three? Only three? I would have thought the Palmetto State could gin up a better scam than one that nets three lousy votes.

May 9, 2009 - 8:16 am 175. Bilgeman:

“Stephen Spoonamore, former CEO of Cybrinth, specialist in data management and remote electronic monitoring, and card-carrying member of the GOP, explained in a series of You Tube videos how Diebold e-voting machines can be hacked. He later admitted vote theft in a deposition.”

All that money and this whiz-kid only bags three votes in South Carolina?

I’d bust his ass too!

May 9, 2009 - 8:20 am 176. sheesh:

Ick . . . sorry, you don’t qualify . . . come back when you’re moderately entertaining Meanwhile, keep working through that list. That’s what it’s there for. Here’s your next assignment . . . what’s wrong with banning the Bible?

May 9, 2009 - 8:22 am 177. Bilgeman:

#169 Herb:
“If you were to add up the ratings of ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN, NPR, and PBS….Fox News’ share looks awfully small.”

Sure-sure, skew the sample by including the ratings of the antenna networks and the PBS “AAA-team”.

This is why in the second set, I only used the 24 hour cable news networks.

Those are networks that are competing directly against each other…and Fox beats ‘em all.

May 9, 2009 - 8:26 am 178. sheesh:

174. Bilgeman:
“Three? Only three? I would have thought the Palmetto State could gin up a better scam than one that nets three lousy votes.”

That’s your problem on the Right . . . everything is a matter of degree . . . no principles, you have no convictions (other than that “incident” you got caught up in at the Boy Scout Jamboree). Here’s a thought, let’s not ban the Bible, just the New Testament.

May 9, 2009 - 8:26 am 179. Bilgeman:

#168 sheesh:
“I call them that. How many restos have you done? I’ve done four . . . a 72 Lemans, a 69 Firebird 400 (actually a 406 now), a 71 Super Bee (not really a Hemi guy, but I had to try one), and a 69 Judge.”

If you need the hideaway headlights assembly for the Goat, I know a guy who’s got scads of ‘em. Might swap for the hideaway antenna motor assemblies, and always some date-code correct engines.

And, dude…a ‘72 Lemans ain’t exactly a car you brag about.

Now a ‘72 Hurst-Olds 442 convertible…that’s a whole ‘nuther story:

http://classyauto.com/viewlisting.php?listing_id=77007

May 9, 2009 - 8:34 am 180. sheesh:

179 . . . And, dude…a ‘72 Lemans ain’t exactly a car you brag about.

It is now.

May 9, 2009 - 8:42 am 181. Bilgeman:

Hey, Elmer Fudd the blog-slave:

Here’s a sled for someone of your unlimited means:

http://www.colinsclassicauto.com/detail.php?car=343

Asking only 225k, but I bet you could talk him down, (not that you need to).

May 9, 2009 - 8:43 am 182. Bilgeman:

#178 Elmer Fudd, blog-slave:
“That’s your problem on the Right . . . everything is a matter of degree”

I thought our problem was that we were:

Stupid
Bigoted
Intolerant
Racist
Greedy
Uncaring
and we worship God.

NOW you’re telling us that it’s just a matter of “degree”?

What’s the beef. freak?

Are we too much or not enough?

May 9, 2009 - 8:49 am 183. sheesh:

182 – BM3K . . .that’s your problem on the right . . . you don’t know who you are.

May 9, 2009 - 9:21 am 184. Ick:

Sheesh:

Problems with your comprehension sheesh? Were those the “certain voters” to which you referred?

And o.k. here’s another one. Doesn’t even require a link….

“Tens of thousands of eligible Democratic New York voters in at least six swing states have been removed from the rolls or have been blocked from registering in ways that appear to violate federal law.”

ROTFLMAO….

Those dastardly Republicans! Preventing eligible Democratic New York voters from voting in at least six(!!!) swing states.

Fish. Barrel.

May 9, 2009 - 10:23 am 185. Herb:

177. Bilgeman needs to talk to 156. Bilgeman.

177. Bilgeman wrote:
“Sure-sure, skew the sample by including the ratings of the antenna networks and the PBS “AAA-team”.”

But 156. Bilgeman wrote:

“And let’s be fair here, The Left gets free biased media from MSNBC and CNN, as well as the three “antenna networks”, plus the farm-team at PBS and NPR.”

Clearly I’m arguing someone with the intellectual integrity of goats’ milk. Bilgeman: For skewing the sample before he was against it!

May 9, 2009 - 1:39 pm 186. sheesh:

Herb . . . you get used to it. You see, with Bilgeman (AKA BM3K) it’s mostly focus issues. he’s both sociophobic and OCD, which is a potent catalyst for idiosyncratic behavior . . . delusions of order, unresolved dad matters, hyper maternal dependence, repressed sexual identity issues. You have to take it slow or he lashes out, typically with screams of “projection” (classic denial behavior) but just as often with vague references to his imaginary days as a mariner or even more disturbing his visions of his life in truck stops and gay jack shacks. Engage as you see fit. Keep Cheddar Cheese Puffs nearby, he likes them for some reason. Don’t let him drive. Don’t let him handle a gun. And don’t expect any significant challenge.

May 9, 2009 - 3:08 pm 187. Bilgeman:

#185 Herb:
“Clearly I’m arguing someone with the intellectual integrity of goats’ milk. Bilgeman: For skewing the sample before he was against it!”

Two samples to illustrate two different things, chap.
Apples to apples:

1st set was Liberal bias in the MSM, both cable and antenna, and the “free” echo-chamber that that means for the Left.
Here:

“MSNBC…NBC.CBS.ABC.CNN.PBS+………………FOX”

When I brought up viewership ratings of the ONE conceivably right-wing biased network, Fox, you objected and tried comparing the “apples’” ratings to the “oranges” of that of networks that are in a different medium, (antenna broadcasting).

The proper set for ratings comparison, which was the second set I brought up, was the oranges to oranges of 24 hour cable news networks.

Here:

“MSNBC…CNN.HLN……..+…………………FOX”

The mean for bias is still Leftwards, since MSNBC, CNN and HLN are all slanted that way, but the ratings…like people who are actually news and opinion shows,(as opposed possibly to folks watching “The Price is Right!” or “Lost!”), is decidedly rightward.

You brought up the entire idea of charting the mean of a set.
Don’t get all pissy and cast aspersions because your idea didn’t pan out like you had wished.

May 9, 2009 - 3:24 pm 188. Bilgeman:

Herb:

Here’s an opportunity for you to chart the mean of a set.

The set is for leftward vs. rightward news and opinion bias of purely national broadcast,(antenna), television networks.

Good luck filling the rightward biased end of the scale…

May 9, 2009 - 3:31 pm 189. Just Passing Through:

sheesh:

‘Everybody I know calls them that.’

No they don’t. They call them classic cars. I call them classic cars. Everybody I know calls them classic cars. When I take one of mine to a show or a promenade, that’s what they call them, classic cars. I have never heard anyone brag about his Judge ‘muscle car’. They brag about their Judge classic.

The rest of your nonsense you just pulled up online. Anyone who actually did the work you say you did would appreciate them as and call them classic cars because anybody they interface with to learn about how to restore them calls them classic cars.

You’re a liar and a stupid one. Smart liars know when to cut and run. They don’t pile on more lies.

May 9, 2009 - 4:17 pm 190. sheesh:

189 Just Passing Thorough . . . You got smacked down and you know it. You don’t like It because it makes you look like a putz. I get that. You’re more worried about what you CALL a Judge, but I’m the one who restored a Judge, and many other cars, starting with a 1929 Model A Phaeton when I was 14. THAT’S a classic. I’ve slathered more Naval Jelly, cut out more Bondo, ground more welds and built more engines than you’ll ever see in your lifetime. (That’s your cue . . . “I call it a motor, so you’re a liar!”) Hell, I’ve spent more money with Year One than you make in 10 years. So, F-off. I’m familiar with you axle polishers. I’ve been to shows and races all over the world – from Pebble Beach to Lemans to Hot August Nights, and I’ve seen trailer queens like you who have never bent a wrench at every event.

Here’s a deal, you tell me the next show you’re going to which “one of your cars” you’re bringing. Maybe, just maybe, I’ll come out there. If I do, I’ll even buy the car you bring, assuming it’s not some raggedy-ass clone like you appear to be. And then I’ll light it up right in front of your eyes. Or you can meet me in Braselton this August. I’ll even introduce you to Chip Foose. He’s hosting his own show in September, but he told me he’s planning to stop by in August. Of course I will have told him what a schmuck you are, so gauge your celebrity slobbering accordingly.

Until then, go out in your garage and wax your exhaust tips again. Amateur.

May 9, 2009 - 10:44 pm 191. Just passing Through:

Whenever you get caught out on your BS and get owned on this site, you fly into a hissy fit and slather on more BS. How long did it take you to research and pull together all the terms to put together in this latest nonsense? I doubt you have any idea how stupid that response was.

‘rich’ people who travel to ’shows and races all over the world’ with their ‘muscle cars’ (shows all over the world?) don’t spend hours daily on PJM so they can ‘tweak the self righteous zenophobic Jesus freaks of the world’ as a hobby. I doubt you have any idea how stupid that response was either.

You aren’t rich. You don’t even have a sense of being rich. You don’t own ‘a garage full of muscle cars’. You haven’t been to shows and races all over the world. You don’t give away houses to your family. You’re a loser with nothing but a computer and a load of personal fantasies trolling sites that see more profit in letting you expose looney left foolishness than banning you. That is not your hobby. You do it all day long.

May 10, 2009 - 6:51 am 192. sheesh:

191 JPT . . . And so, with one last gasp of feeble defense, one final “Nuh-uh!” you withdraw into obscurity afraid that your groundless judgment and accusation will render you even more irrelevant. My offer stands . . . as does your resentment of independent wealth. I understand that. You’re just like most people, only more so.

May 10, 2009 - 8:45 am 193. Just passing Through:

You were owned. Your fantasy exposed. You’re way too easy.

How does someone never taught to think for himself justify taking the position that Obamas taxing across the board is acceptable? Unable to think for himself and swallowing the tax the rich fantasy completely, he tries to validate his position by claiming to be rich and not at all against paying a paltry 3% more in taxes. Thinking to add a bit more authority to his position, he claims to be so rich he gives away houses to his family. Since those he sees as his adversaries he believes are self righteous zenophobic Jesus freaks, he tosses in a reference to a garage full of muscle cars because he thinks that adds further authority to his position.

Without any concept of what drives successful people, much less people rich enough to give away houses, he adds to the fantasy by claiming to be so rich he needn’t work, is capable of traveling at will, indeed, travels the world with his ‘muscle cars to attend ’shows’, but prefers to spend hours each and every day acting the fool on a conservative site as just another ‘hobby’.

Over indoctrinated, under educated, ineffectual, and a pathological liar fantasizing about standing tall against an opposition that resents his stature in his little fantasy, he doesn’t realize that he’s completely exposed as just another lefty loser with a computer.

You are as pathetically transparent as most of the looney left, just sillier than average.

May 10, 2009 - 10:21 am 194. sheesh:

193 JPT . . . Travel the world with my muscle cars? . . . Never said that, because I don’t do that. I build em. I drive em. I park em. And no, 3% doesn’t matter to me, the sooner the better. Houses? Yep. Travel? Yep. Your problem is that you just can’t bring yourself to admit that not everybody has a small life. In fact you hate the thought, especially when it’s someone like me rubbing your nose in it. Continue your denial, if that’s what it takes. A few more posts and you might even convince yourself.

May 10, 2009 - 3:35 pm 195. Just passing Through:

Give it up. You were outed as a fantasizing liar. You were too stupid to cut and run and instead piled it deeper and deeper until your claims made you look like a complete fool as well as a liar. The idea of some looney left Walter Mitty loser who spends hours a day trolling a forum where everyone laughs at him calling my life small is pathetic.

Me, I have a life and I’ve already devoted about an hour total of it rattling your cage. Far more than you deserve and probably far less than you devoted just to googling up your fantasy life. Since little losers like yourself with meaningless lives do like to have the last word, have at it. Outdo yourself. Don’t forget all the planes you own.

May 10, 2009 - 7:46 pm 196. Someone75:

Bilgeman:

Herb has clobbered you so many times that it’s starting to get embarrassing. Just give up, okay? You’ve looked foolish enough for one thread.

May 10, 2009 - 10:43 pm 197. jim:

terrific satire. from the “dirty tricksters” of nixon thru the Iran-Contra thugfest to the Carl Rove School of slime, our nation lies tattered and shamed by the hypocritical antics of the right. great job of rubbing the noses in.

May 11, 2009 - 7:09 pm 198. Barry:

“That Democrats will engage in obstruction of Republican judicial nominees, while Republicans will let Democratic nominees sail through is absurd.”

IIRC, the Democrats blocked 10 judicial nominees of Bush; the Republicans blocked at least 60 of Clinton’s.

May 12, 2009 - 7:18 am